date:20140605

You can also store your Contacts in other cloud based services. I keep 
my contacts in Google Contacts, so I can also access them from all of my 
systems. I'd assume Exchange also allows you to do this.


On 6/4/2014 7:34 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

Thanks.
I had a bit of trouble with that app before, so I had uninstalled it.  But
after a VM crash I wound up with an empty Outlook contact list, so maybe I
will give it another shot.
Bill


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Contacts list export?r

That was really nice when I got my iPhone 5s in late October of last year
and my iPad Air in January.  When I logged into my account, there was all my

contacts etc.  I couldn't be happier.  I would of hated to have to do it all

over again and again for each iDevice.

Regards,

Alan

I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being
ridiculous - everyone
hasn't met me yet.

Please click on:

HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Contacts list export?r


Hello Bill. Just download and install the ICloud Control Panel. It will
create an ICloud mail box with a folder that contains your Contacts folder.
When you make changes they are updated on all of your devices. ICloud
Control Panel will also synch your callendars and bookmarks.


On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:



Sent from my iPhone hi.
Is there a way to export my iPhone or Mac contacts and put them in a
format where I can use them to import into Outlook? Thanks.

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this 
totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.


The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone 
without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep 
track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts 
and so on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if 
they do, it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind 
person's option if they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart 
phone?


I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing, 
but why should blind people be any different than the general 
population. This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've 
never said a blind person should be able to use all of the features of a 
smart phone and not have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a 
valid point though the blind people do not have the feature phone option 
and the ability to use a cell phone without a data plan that sighted 
people do.


On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some people do 
not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for everything it can do. 
ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a data plan, and the 
unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.

Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so forgot 
about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. Oh, and 
the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data plan, 
tended to complain because many of those desired features were then crippled.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:

The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple does 
not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also has 
he ever heard of wifi?

Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb technology 
user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
Din


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone



Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
younger.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. If
you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad without
a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the numpad
keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
What is Siri? Hmmm.

I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why they
can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one attention
would have been a good idea.

having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, if
addressed to most blind folks out there.

Teresa

The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:


Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering

the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would be
very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan to
write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible pieces
of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or even
a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and readers
of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from a
nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Ari Moisio


Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a data 
plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the Internet. 
If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he can buy an 
iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an additional 
monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that accesses the 
Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort of access plan.
On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works 
as a phone without a data plan.


2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial a 
phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri 
to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what 
I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from 
Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial 
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit 
old-fashion:-)


Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push 
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons 
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile 
layer. Good business, i have to admit.


3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared 
to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of 
which there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown 
that, on average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY 
keyboard is writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of 
the built-in Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing 
one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your voice 
to place a call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
something i can call with same effort.


4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear coordination. 
People who want real buttons that they can operate silently by touch will be 
very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering the 
iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone demonstrates, with 
a properly designed user interface, that blind people can successfully 
operate a touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port and 
when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before going to 
bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and turning 
your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save battery 
life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the thing into 
a computer or a wall outlet every night.


It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example 
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on 
gps there are not always a usb port to charge.  GPS is especially power 
hungry.



6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones.
response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's Motorola 
Droid Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very comfortably in one 
hand. I mean, we're not talking about a device like an iPad or a Kindle 8.9 
HDX.


Should i list here all the smaller phones i know?

7. For a lot of people the iPhone is a lot more technology than they want. It 
is not for someone who just wants a phone to make and receive calls.
response: true, but once blind people discover that the iPhone can act as 
their digital book player, restaurant menu reader, Web browser, email client, 
money identifier,

Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

Hi and sorry for cross posting but this stupid question of mine conserns both 
the Mac and the IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see how 
accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an error message saying 
the file with the firmware isn't compatible. Now i know that the firmware i 
downloaded is compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model, and still Itunes 
complains over incompatibility so i think that it's the ITunes version that's 
not the latest one, and i can't find it anywhere, so is there somewhere i can 
look for a beta version of ITunes?
Thanks so much in advance.
/Krister

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Until I purchased a Windows Pocket PC SmartPhone, I was only able to use a 
mobile phone to make phone calls. I couldn't send, or read, text messages. Yes, 
it was not fair, and being blind is not fair. And, even worse, considering that 
legal blindness is 0.5% of the population, any feature phone made for blind 
people will be more expensive than the top-of-the-line SmartPhone, the iPhone. 
The fact is, sighted people do not want phones that constantly jabber away. 
They find it to be extremely irritating. Blind people are such a tiny market 
that we cannot depend upon economies of scale to bring down costs. All the 
complaining in the world will not change these simple facts of life. As for the 
proof of my very irritating statements, I can think of four basic feature 
phones which have been sold at various times since 2009. None of those phones 
lasted on the market for more than six months. And, the phone which was made 
specifically for blind people retailed for more than the most expensive iPhone 
on contract. Because its market was so small, no carrier was willing to 
subsidise the cost.

Oh, the current attempt is a dumbed down Android phone. Its retail cost is the 
same as the iPhone subsidised on contract, and again, it is not being 
subsidised by any carrier. That said, it does exist, though I tend to wonder 
about how much longer it will be available.

Again, life is not fair.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 20:40, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this totally 
 misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.
 
 The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone 
 without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep 
 track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts and so 
 on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if they do, 
 it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind person's option if 
 they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart phone?
 
 I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing, but 
 why should blind people be any different than the general population. This 
 isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've never said a blind person 
 should be able to use all of the features of a smart phone and not have to 
 purchase a data plan. I do think it's a valid point though the blind people 
 do not have the feature phone option and the ability to use a cell phone 
 without a data plan that sighted people do.
 
 On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
 complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some 
 people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for 
 everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a 
 data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.
 
 Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so 
 forgot about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. 
 Oh, and the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data 
 plan, tended to complain because many of those desired features were then 
 crippled.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:
 
 The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple 
 does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
 Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also 
 has he ever heard of wifi?
 
 Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
 Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb 
 technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
 Din
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
 Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
 would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
 younger.
 
 Neal
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. 
 If
 you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad 
 without
 a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
 they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

For item 10, there are a few aids.

Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
slowest.

Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen and 
command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a bluetooth 
switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's head movements 
for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a person can do on 
the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options for low vision 
users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 Comments about comments about comments:
 
 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
 that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
 data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he 
 can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an 
 additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that 
 accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort 
 of access plan.
 On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works as 
 a phone without a data plan.
 
 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
 particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial 
 a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
 physical buttons.
 Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri 
 to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what 
 I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from 
 Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
 Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
 allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
 which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
 
 We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
 dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial and 
 after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit old-fashion:-)
 
 Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder 
 to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around 
 the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. Good 
 business, i have to admit.
 
 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared 
 to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of 
 which there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown 
 that, on average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY 
 keyboard is writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of 
 the built-in Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
 response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
 compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing 
 one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your 
 voice to place a call.
 
 Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
 something i can call with same effort.
 
 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
 coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently by 
 touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
 As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
 overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering the 
 iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone demonstrates, 
 with a properly designed user interface, that blind people can successfully 
 operate a touchscreen.
 
 But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.
 
 5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
 least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
 Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
 could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
 non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port and 
 when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before going to 
 bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and turning 
 your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save battery 
 life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the thing into 
 a computer or a wall outlet every night.
 
 It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example for 
 a long bus or train journey if

re﹕ Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

2014-06-05 Thread 'Ming' via VIPhone

I think is dangerous that we are not  developer. 

Ming

msn/window live messenger
chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
skype:
chungchiming9950

face book:
http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1


2014年6月5日 星期四，Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 寫道﹕

 主題: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail
 收件人: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
 副本(CC): viphone@googlegroups.com
 日期: 2014年6月5日,星期四,下午5:00
 
 Hi and sorry for cross posting but
 this stupid question of mine conserns both the Mac and the
 IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see how
 accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an
 error message saying the file with the firmware isn't
 compatible. Now i know that the firmware i downloaded is
 compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model, and still
 Itunes complains over incompatibility so i think that it's
 the ITunes version that's not the latest one, and i can't
 find it anywhere, so is there somewhere i can look for a
 beta version of ITunes?
 Thanks so much in advance.
 /Krister
 
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WWDC 2014 keynote on youtube

2014-06-05 Thread 'Ming' via VIPhone

hey.
for someone who can not listen/ watch on the apple website.
they have put it on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87fOAG8fjk

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Re: re﹕ Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

Anybody can become a developer. It is an annual cost of $99 USD.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:29, 'Ming' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com 
 wrote:
 
 I think is dangerous that we are not  developer. 
 
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 Hi and sorry for cross posting but
 this stupid question of mine conserns both the Mac and the
 IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see how
 accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an
 error message saying the file with the firmware isn't
 compatible. Now i know that the firmware i downloaded is
 compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model, and still
 Itunes complains over incompatibility so i think that it's
 the ITunes version that's not the latest one, and i can't
 find it anywhere, so is there somewhere i can look for a
 beta version of ITunes?
 Thanks so much in advance.
 /Krister
 
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Sandratomkins

For your information,
Here in Ireland and also in the UK, possibly also in Europe, we can use 
pay-as-you-go cards in our iPhones. This means, for me, that I can choose 
between paying five euros and €20 a month for varying amounts of Internet/text 
capacity. So, for example, if I am using Wi-Fi for most of my connectivity, I 
can easily make do is paying just five euros a month and still have a lot of 
talk time texting and Internet access while out and about.

Just my thoughts,
Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 08:51, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
 complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some 
 people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for 
 everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a 
 data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.
 
 Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so forgot 
 about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. Oh, and 
 the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data plan, 
 tended to complain because many of those desired features were then crippled. 
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:
 
 The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple 
 does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.  
 Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also 
 has he ever heard of wifi?  
 
 Simply shocking from someone who should know better.  
 Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb 
 technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not. 
 Din
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
 Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 
 Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
 would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
 younger.
 
 Neal
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. If
 you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad without
 a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
 they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
 method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the numpad
 keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
 What is Siri? Hmmm.
 
 I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
 receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
 well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why they
 can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one attention
 would have been a good idea.
 
 having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, if
 addressed to most blind folks out there.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
 viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
 the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would be
 very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
 good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan to
 write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
 objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible pieces
 of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
 this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or even
 a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
 NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and readers
 of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from a
 nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people
 may read this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to
 things which the article claims are not good about the device.
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Sandratomkins

Just a personal note here: I have a friend who has got a 5S and she is getting, 
constantly, in trouble with it. She works in an office with plenty of other 
people who  have iPhones too! When things go wrong, they try and help out: this 
usually leads into much more trouble and generally speaking some sort of crash. 
at This point, she brings it to me. I can always bring the phone back for her. 
I can always do whatever it is she wanted done in the first place. But here's 
the rub: my friend and all her co-workers are cited. Their minds, put simply, 
are  not yet attuned to the idea of smart phones apart, that is, from using the 
camera. Whereas, I, who need all the phones functionality, appear to be 
something of a Guru to them! So, the access ability of this platform and these 
devices is so good that I can actually do better than my  average cited 
counterpart. I am sure that this is true of most of us here on this list.

Just my thoughts,
Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 09:38, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I enjoyed reading your response.
 
 Regarding the touchscreen, hand/ear coordination (haptic / auditory) 
 coordination is often difficult for blind people to master. This appears to 
 be because blind people are taught haptic / haptic response coordination. In 
 other words blind people are taught to touch and feel for a tactile response. 
 Sighted people, on the other hand, utilise haptic / visual response. 
 Considering that touchscreen technology is now more expensive than non-touch 
 screen with physical buttons, this interface is, and will continue, replacing 
 the older, haptic rich environment. In fact, for the sighted, in every 
 category / venue studied thus far, directly interactive touchscreen 
 technology kiosks and devices reduce errors from 15%-20% to 3%-5%. So, it 
 becomes incumbent upon us blind people to adapt if we wish to continue fully 
 participate in modern society.
 
 As to battery life of the iPhone, if the person were to use the iPhone the 
 way they used to use the Nokia Phone, Windows CE Phone, and/or simple and 
 inexpensive dumb phone with limited accessibility, they would find themselves 
 getting similar levels of battery life. When I switched to my iPhone, I 
 noticed a marked decrease in battery life from 3 or 4 days to just over a 
 day. I wondered about it, so switched back to the previous phone for a week. 
 I took note of what I did and how much time I spent on each system. I then 
 used the iPhone in the same way as the older phone, and got 4 days of battery 
 life. Personally, I prefer using my iPhone as my portable computer. It 
 provides me with unparalleled access across technology sectors.
 
 As for using the phone keypad, when one trains one's muscle memory to the 
 locations of the numbers on the keypad, dialling can and does become 
 significantly quicker. That said, practice is essential.
 
 As for the battery life of certain blindness specific products, I prefer the 
 much increased access and higher technology of the accessible general market 
 hitech solutions. I can do much more for a greatly reduced price. 
 
 As to the frustration of learning yet another interface, in the case of the 
 iPhone, or Android Phones for that matter, it does take longer because, not 
 only is a person learning the interface, each blind individual is having to 
 learn an entirely new way of interacting that he/she was never trained for 
 when initially learning blindness skills. Therefore, the teachers of 
 blindness skills should start teaching haptic/auditory response in order to 
 enable better / more efficient adaptation for the blind into the modern 
 technological world.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:38, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone 
 viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.
 
 My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by Curtis 
 Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is Not.I was 
 intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite the Apple 
 fanboy of late and I would have a very difficult time in coming up with a 
 list of ten objections or things which are not good about the iPhone. In 
 fact, I'm having a very difficult time in coming up with a list of one or 
 two things which are not good about the iPhone. However, no product is 
 perfect and I can handle objectively written product evaluations. 
 Unfortunately, this article was not one of them. I'm going to reprint each 
 of the objections stated by Mr. Chong in their entirety, with my comments 
 below each objection.
 What Is Not Good About The iPhone
 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no

Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

I am not a W. E. user. Would you mind telling me where I could find this pod 
cast/ webinar?

Many thanks.
C
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From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Joseph,
I didn't realize that GW Micro, or should I say AI Squared also recorded
an iTunes webinar.  I will definitely have to give it a listen.  I
actually use it with NVDA and I just find it convenient when I'm looking
for podcasts.
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
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http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 10:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 I feel the Window-Eyes iTunes presentation was much more thorough as it
 described by a sighted or at the least a partially sighted person what is
 showing on the screen as well as the layout of the various tools within
 iTunes. I'm a Jaws user and 95% of the presentation can be considered
 screenreader neutral.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:12 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
 it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
 excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
 Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
 to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
 don't usually preorder books.
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:
 Hi David and Anna,
 I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
 define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what 
 to
 do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
 Please talk to NBP about such a product.

 Best,
 Terrie Terlau
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Anna,
 Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
 a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
 Windows?
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi,

 A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
 based
 on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being sure
 to
 include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from National
 Braille Press.
 Best,
 Anna

 iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch
 by Anna Dresner
 In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

 You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to VoiceOver,
 Bluetooth keyboard, and braille displays.
 Order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IOS7-REF.html

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Kimber Gardner

David,

I enjoyed your comments/explanation of haptic/auditory, haptic/visual
and haptic/haptic ccoordination. Very interesting.

You said,
 blindness skills should start teaching haptic/auditory response in order to
 enable better / more efficient adaptation for the blind into the modern
 technological world.


It would be interested to hear from someone involved in the teaching
of blind kids (or the newly blind) with regard to whether those
students find touch screen technology easier to learn and use than do
older/middle-age blind people like myself.



On 6/5/14, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 I enjoyed reading your response.

 Regarding the touchscreen, hand/ear coordination (haptic / auditory)
 coordination is often difficult for blind people to master. This appears to
 be because blind people are taught haptic / haptic response coordination. In
 other words blind people are taught to touch and feel for a tactile
 response. Sighted people, on the other hand, utilise haptic / visual
 response. Considering that touchscreen technology is now more expensive than
 non-touch screen with physical buttons, this interface is, and will
 continue, replacing the older, haptic rich environment. In fact, for the
 sighted, in every category / venue studied thus far, directly interactive
 touchscreen technology kiosks and devices reduce errors from 15%-20% to
 3%-5%. So, it becomes incumbent upon us blind people to adapt if we wish to
 continue fully participate in modern society.

 As to battery life of the iPhone, if the person were to use the iPhone the
 way they used to use the Nokia Phone, Windows CE Phone, and/or simple and
 inexpensive dumb phone with limited accessibility, they would find
 themselves getting similar levels of battery life. When I switched to my
 iPhone, I noticed a marked decrease in battery life from 3 or 4 days to just
 over a day. I wondered about it, so switched back to the previous phone for
 a week. I took note of what I did and how much time I spent on each system.
 I then used the iPhone in the same way as the older phone, and got 4 days of
 battery life. Personally, I prefer using my iPhone as my portable computer.
 It provides me with unparalleled access across technology sectors.

 As for using the phone keypad, when one trains one's muscle memory to the
 locations of the numbers on the keypad, dialling can and does become
 significantly quicker. That said, practice is essential.

 As for the battery life of certain blindness specific products, I prefer the
 much increased access and higher technology of the accessible general market
 hitech solutions. I can do much more for a greatly reduced price.

 As to the frustration of learning yet another interface, in the case of the
 iPhone, or Android Phones for that matter, it does take longer because, not
 only is a person learning the interface, each blind individual is having to
 learn an entirely new way of interacting that he/she was never trained for
 when initially learning blindness skills. Therefore, the teachers of
 blindness skills should start teaching haptic/auditory response in order to
 enable better / more efficient adaptation for the blind into the modern
 technological world.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:38, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
 viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.

 My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the
 iPhone
 the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by
 Curtis Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is
 Not.I was intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite
 the Apple fanboy of late and I would have a very difficult time in coming
 up with a list of ten objections or things which are not good about the
 iPhone. In fact, I'm having a very difficult time in coming up with a list
 of one or two things which are not good about the iPhone. However, no
 product is perfect and I can handle objectively written product
 evaluations. Unfortunately, this article was not one of them. I'm going to
 reprint each of the objections stated by Mr. Chong in their entirety, with
 my comments below each objection.
 What Is Not Good About The iPhone
 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for
 that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a
 data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he
 can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require
 an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device
 that accesses the Internet is usually going

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Ari Moisio


Hi

I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the 
home button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only 
lost the focused item and have to find it again with flicking.



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 David Chittenden kirjoitti

Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

For item 10, there are a few aids.

Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
slowest.

Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen and 
command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a bluetooth 
switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's head movements 
for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a person can do on 
the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options for low vision 
users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:


1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for that. 
A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a data plan 
for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the Internet. 
If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he can buy an 
iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an additional 
monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that accesses the 
Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works as a 
phone without a data plan.


2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial a 
phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri to call any 
number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what I'd call 
inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from Speeddots containing 
tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands which 
let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial and 
after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder to 
press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around the 
screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. Good 
business, i have to admit.


3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared to 
a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of which 
there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown that, on 
average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is 
writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of the built-in 
Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to compose 
a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing one is as 
quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your voice to place a 
call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
something i can call with same effort.


4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear coordination. 
People who want real buttons that they can operate silently by touch will be 
very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering the 
iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone demonstrates, with a 
properly designed user interface, that blind people can successfully operate a 
touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.


5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue.

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Rich Ring

These are the kinds of things that blind people whether newly blind of not 
should be taught! Unfortunately, the orientation center for which I used to 
work thought wood shop was more important. Sorry for the off topic message!

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

 Hi
 
 I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the home 
 button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only lost the 
 focused item and have to find it again with flicking.
 
 
 -- 
 mr. M01510  guide Loadstone-GPS
 Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672
 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020
 0C1F 6A76 DC9D DD58 3383 8B5D 0E76 9600  B784 D02
 
 
 David Chittenden kirjoitti
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 For item 10, there are a few aids.
 
 Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
 slowest.
 
 Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen 
 and command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a 
 bluetooth switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's 
 head movements for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a 
 person can do on the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options 
 for low vision users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 Comments about comments about comments:
 
 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
 that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
 data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he 
 can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require 
 an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device 
 that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some 
 sort of access plan.
 On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works 
 as a phone without a data plan.
 
 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
 particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can 
 dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has 
 real, physical buttons.
 Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command 
 siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly 
 what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors 
 from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
 Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
 allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
 which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
 
 We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
 dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial 
 and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit 
 old-fashion:-)
 
 Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder 
 to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around 
 the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. 
 Good business, i have to admit.
 
 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as 
 compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by 
 Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that 
 research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using 
 the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per 
 minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked 
 at around 23 words per minute.
 response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
 compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, 
 composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can 
 use your voice to place a call.
 
 Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
 something i can call with same effort.
 
 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
 coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently 
 by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
 As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
 overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering 
 the iPhone's strengths,

Re: Accessibility of iOS 8

Without starting anything didn't you say enough by telling everyone
you are using 8?

On 6/5/14, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since I hold a developer account and no information was forthcoming at
 the WWDC, I cannot talk about any enhancements to Braille support and so
 on. Like most of us here I respect Apple's NDA so will say no more.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu

 On 05/06/2014 03:13, denise avant wrote:
 Hello all,
 I was wondering if anyone has seen information regarding enhanced Braille
 display support in IOS 8?
 thanks.


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Where do i normally find the dictation feature in the IPhone?

Hi, I should know this, but i don't remember where i enable the dictation 
feature on the IPhone. Is it somewhere under settings and if so where?
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Yes, he stil is, and he is the head of the NFB Braille and Technology 
center.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: don bishop

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple 
does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also 
has he ever heard of wifi?


Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb 
technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.

Din


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone




Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
younger.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. 
If
you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad 
without

a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the 
numpad

keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
What is Siri? Hmmm.

I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why 
they
can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one 
attention

would have been a good idea.

having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, 
if

addressed to most blind folks out there.

Teresa

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On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would 
be

very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan 
to

write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible 
pieces

of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or 
even

a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and 
readers
of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from 
a

nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people
may read this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to
things which the article claims are not good about the device.
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I am surprised that he wrote such an article. It is very condescending
and not thoughtful. Yes people who are new to the phone struggle with
it but if they give it a chance they end up doing quite well.

On 6/5/14, Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
 These are the kinds of things that blind people whether newly blind of not
 should be taught! Unfortunately, the orientation center for which I used to
 work thought wood shop was more important. Sorry for the off topic message!

 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
 Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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 On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

 Hi

 I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the
 home button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only
 lost the focused item and have to find it again with flicking.


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 David Chittenden kirjoitti
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 For item 10, there are a few aids.

 Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow
 or slowest.

 Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the
 screen and command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for
 either a bluetooth switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a
 person's head movements for switch activation, and guided access which
 limits what a person can do on the iPhone / iOS device. One will also
 find several options for low vision users, and options for users
 suffering from hearing loss.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

 Hi

 Comments about comments about comments:

 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option
 for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You
 need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the
 Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home,
 he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't
 require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer
 or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to
 pay for some sort of access plan.
 On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones
 works as a phone without a data plan.

 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
 particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
 dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that
 has real, physical buttons.
 Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
 siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's
 hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen
 protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
 Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a
 keypad allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard
 commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.

 We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had
 to dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary
 dial and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
 old-fashion:-)

 Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
 harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's
 buttons around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own
 tactile layer. Good business, i have to admit.

 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
 compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
 Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
 research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
 the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
 minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been
 clocked at around 23 words per minute.
 response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
 compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
 composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you
 can use your voice to place a call.

 Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to
 dictate something i can call with same effort.

 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
 coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate
 silently by touch will be very

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Well, I can't think of anyone who would buy an iPhone just because they need 
a phone.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Ari Moisio

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:00 AM
To: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he 
can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require 
an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device 
that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some 
sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works
as a phone without a data plan.

2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can 
dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has 
real, physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command 
siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly 
what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors 
from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile
layer. Good business, i have to admit.

3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as 
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by 
Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that 
research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using 
the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per 
minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked 
at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, 
composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can 
use your voice to place a call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate
something i can call with same effort.

4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently 
by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering 
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone 
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people 
can successfully operate a touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port 
and when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before 
going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and 
turning your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save 
battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the 
thing into a computer or a wall outlet every night.


It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on
gps there are not always a usb port to charge.  GPS is especially power
hungry.


6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones.
response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's Motorola 
Droid Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very comfortably in 
one hand. I mean, we're not talking about a device like an iPad or a 
Kindle 8.9 HDX.


Should i list here all the smaller phones i know?

7. For a lot of people the iPhone is a lot more technology than

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Kimber,

I don't think that age has much to do with a blind person's ability with a 
touch screen. I think it has much more to do with how good your coordination 
is. I'm in my early sixties and have no problems using my iPhone and wonder how 
I ever managed without it! It's my phone, my library, my GPS, my assistant in 
the kitchen for reading labels, my money identifier and much, much more.

Cheers,

Anne


On 5 Jun 2014, at 13:26, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It would be interested to hear from someone involved in the teaching
 of blind kids (or the newly blind) with regard to whether those
 students find touch screen technology easier to learn and use than do
 older/middle-age blind people like myself.
 

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RE: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

2014-06-05 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Hi Krister,

You have to be a registered developer to install iOS Beta software. If you
are you can download the Beta from the Apple developer center, if you are
not a registered developer (it costs $99 a year) you should probably not
attempt this; in any case, Cara and Raul will kick your butt if you are not
a developer and are posting questions or comments to the list regarding
running an iOS Beta and if you are a developer you can't post because you
would have agreed to an NDA which means a Non-Disclosure Agreement
according to which you agreed not to tell anybody about any features of Beta
software that is not accessible to the public.
Apple announced that the are going to offer a public beta for the new OSX 10
operating system, but there is no public beta for iOS.

Now, even if you do have a developer account I would highly discourage you
to install a first Beta. They are usually really meant for developers only
as they will have lots of bugs and often are not even close to being feature
complete. For example, Apple said the Alex voice is coming to the iPhone and
I assume this means it will be available as a US English Voiceover voice.
Now, it may very well be that in a first or even second Beta this may not
even be there. If I remember correctly iOS 7 had 5 Beta versions between the
announcement at the beginning of June last year and its release in mid
September and unless you are developing apps and need the iOS 8 environment
for testing, it's best to wait at least until Beta 3.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:01 AM
To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

Hi and sorry for cross posting but this stupid question of mine conserns
both the Mac and the IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see
how accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an error message
saying the file with the firmware isn't compatible. Now i know that the
firmware i downloaded is compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model,
and still Itunes complains over incompatibility so i think that it's the
ITunes version that's not the latest one, and i can't find it anywhere, so
is there somewhere i can look for a beta version of ITunes?
Thanks so much in advance.
/Krister

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Currently, I have not had my I Phone switched to my cellular plan. I do have 
WYFY at my house. My reason for doing it this way is because, I wanted to 
practice typing, using the key pad and other features without being 
concerned I would accidently call someone. It has worked out very well. I am 
at the point now, I am ready to have my little flip phone turned off and my 
I Phone turned on with cellular service.

I have learned, so far, using the I Phone is like using JAWS. You learn the 
basics...eventually. Then, you begin to learn more advanced functions, etc. 
It most definitely can be over whelming in the beginning, for some. It takes 
time and patience.

Maybe for some blind/VI people, it is not as brain straining as for others. 
However, everybody learns at a different pace. That does not mean any one is 
smarter or dumber.

The I Phone is not for everyone. It is the same way in the sited world, too. 
I have talked with several people who are not blind; and they refuse to buy 
a smart phone, text, etc.

Admittedly so, learning this new device has been challenging...but, I do 
enjoy the challenge. It has made me stretch my limits...and that is a good 
thing.

As long as new technology is being developed, the blind/VI community will 
face certain battles and struggles. It is most important, in my opinion, for 
the community to not splinter, but to stay strong. We can agree to 
disagree...but, we need to support the basic idea of advancing opportunities 
for the blind/VI community with new technology as it is developed.

C
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this
totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.

The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone
without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep
track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts
and so on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if
they do, it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind
person's option if they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart
phone?

I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing,
but why should blind people be any different than the general
population. This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've
never said a blind person should be able to use all of the features of a
smart phone and not have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a
valid point though the blind people do not have the feature phone option
and the ability to use a cell phone without a data plan that sighted
people do.

On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have 
 been complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. 
 Some people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for 
 everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a 
 data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.

 Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so 
 forgot about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully 
 function. Oh, and the same people, when they could get the carriers to 
 remove the data plan, tended to complain because many of those desired 
 features were then crippled.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:

 The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple 
 does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
 Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also 
 has he ever heard of wifi?

 Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
 Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb 
 technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
 Din


 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
 Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


 Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. 
 It
 would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
 younger.

 Neal

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

 Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get 
 one. If
 you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad 
 without
 a data plan. What are

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Well said.
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Well, I can't think of anyone who would buy an iPhone just because they need
a phone.
Andy

-Original Message- 
From: Ari Moisio
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:00 AM
To: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for
 that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a
 data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he
 can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require
 an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device
 that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some
 sort of access plan.
On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works
as a phone without a data plan.

 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
 particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
 dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has
 real, physical buttons.
 Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
 siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly
 what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors
 from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
 Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad
 allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands
 which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.

We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile
layer. Good business, i have to admit.

 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
 compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
 Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
 research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
 the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
 minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked
 at around 23 words per minute.
 response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
 compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
 composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can
 use your voice to place a call.

Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate
something i can call with same effort.

 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
 coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently
 by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
 As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile
 overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering
 the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone
 demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people
 can successfully operate a touchscreen.

But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

 5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at
 least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
 Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak
 could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a
 non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port
 and when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before
 going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and
 turning your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save
 battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the
 thing into a computer or a wall outlet every night.

It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on
gps there are not always a usb port to charge.  GPS is especially power
hungry.

 6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones.
 response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's Motorola
 Droid Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

It also is directly related to how good a person's sense of spatial awareness 
is.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Jun 2014, at 0:10, Anne Robertson annefromo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Kimber,
 
 I don't think that age has much to do with a blind person's ability with a 
 touch screen. I think it has much more to do with how good your coordination 
 is. I'm in my early sixties and have no problems using my iPhone and wonder 
 how I ever managed without it! It's my phone, my library, my GPS, my 
 assistant in the kitchen for reading labels, my money identifier and much, 
 much more.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 13:26, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It would be interested to hear from someone involved in the teaching
 of blind kids (or the newly blind) with regard to whether those
 students find touch screen technology easier to learn and use than do
 older/middle-age blind people like myself.
 
 
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Re: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

Hi and thanks to all for the help. Turned out the problem was even more stupid 
than i thought. You can't open a zip file from within ITunes. Well problem is 
solved now and i'm now trying to find and enable the dictation function. And 
i'm a registered developer.
/Krister

5 jun 2014 kl. 14:11 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:

 Hi Krister,
 
 You have to be a registered developer to install iOS Beta software. If you
 are you can download the Beta from the Apple developer center, if you are
 not a registered developer (it costs $99 a year) you should probably not
 attempt this; in any case, Cara and Raul will kick your butt if you are not
 a developer and are posting questions or comments to the list regarding
 running an iOS Beta and if you are a developer you can't post because you
 would have agreed to an NDA which means a Non-Disclosure Agreement
 according to which you agreed not to tell anybody about any features of Beta
 software that is not accessible to the public.
 Apple announced that the are going to offer a public beta for the new OSX 10
 operating system, but there is no public beta for iOS.
 
 Now, even if you do have a developer account I would highly discourage you
 to install a first Beta. They are usually really meant for developers only
 as they will have lots of bugs and often are not even close to being feature
 complete. For example, Apple said the Alex voice is coming to the iPhone and
 I assume this means it will be available as a US English Voiceover voice.
 Now, it may very well be that in a first or even second Beta this may not
 even be there. If I remember correctly iOS 7 had 5 Beta versions between the
 announcement at the beginning of June last year and its release in mid
 September and unless you are developing apps and need the iOS 8 environment
 for testing, it's best to wait at least until Beta 3.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:01 AM
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail
 
 Hi and sorry for cross posting but this stupid question of mine conserns
 both the Mac and the IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see
 how accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an error message
 saying the file with the firmware isn't compatible. Now i know that the
 firmware i downloaded is compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model,
 and still Itunes complains over incompatibility so i think that it's the
 ITunes version that's not the latest one, and i can't find it anywhere, so
 is there somewhere i can look for a beta version of ITunes?
 Thanks so much in advance.
 /Krister
 
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I would suggest looking into assistive touch. Given the situation, it would 
probably be a good idea to acquire the assistance of an Assistive Technology 
specialist who specialises in iOS and multiple disabilities. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Jun 2014, at 23:32, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the home 
 button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only lost the 
 focused item and have to find it again with flicking.
 
 
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 David Chittenden kirjoitti
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
 From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 For item 10, there are a few aids.
 
 Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
 slowest.
 
 Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen 
 and command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a 
 bluetooth switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's 
 head movements for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a 
 person can do on the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options 
 for low vision users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 Comments about comments about comments:
 
 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
 that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
 data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he 
 can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require 
 an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device 
 that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some 
 sort of access plan.
 On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works 
 as a phone without a data plan.
 
 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
 particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can 
 dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has 
 real, physical buttons.
 Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command 
 siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly 
 what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors 
 from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
 Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
 allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
 which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
 
 We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
 dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial 
 and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit 
 old-fashion:-)
 
 Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder 
 to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around 
 the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. 
 Good business, i have to admit.
 
 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as 
 compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by 
 Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that 
 research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using 
 the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per 
 minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked 
 at around 23 words per minute.
 response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
 compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, 
 composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can 
 use your voice to place a call.
 
 Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
 something i can call with same effort.
 
 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
 coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently 
 by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
 As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
 overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering 
 the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the

Re: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail

In iOS 7, it is necessary to activate Siri under settings in order to activate 
dictate. I suspect this would continue being the case in iOS 8. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Jun 2014, at 0:28, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi and thanks to all for the help. Turned out the problem was even more 
 stupid than i thought. You can't open a zip file from within ITunes. Well 
 problem is solved now and i'm now trying to find and enable the dictation 
 function. And i'm a registered developer.
 /Krister
 
 5 jun 2014 kl. 14:11 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Hi Krister,
 
 You have to be a registered developer to install iOS Beta software. If you
 are you can download the Beta from the Apple developer center, if you are
 not a registered developer (it costs $99 a year) you should probably not
 attempt this; in any case, Cara and Raul will kick your butt if you are not
 a developer and are posting questions or comments to the list regarding
 running an iOS Beta and if you are a developer you can't post because you
 would have agreed to an NDA which means a Non-Disclosure Agreement
 according to which you agreed not to tell anybody about any features of Beta
 software that is not accessible to the public.
 Apple announced that the are going to offer a public beta for the new OSX 10
 operating system, but there is no public beta for iOS.
 
 Now, even if you do have a developer account I would highly discourage you
 to install a first Beta. They are usually really meant for developers only
 as they will have lots of bugs and often are not even close to being feature
 complete. For example, Apple said the Alex voice is coming to the iPhone and
 I assume this means it will be available as a US English Voiceover voice.
 Now, it may very well be that in a first or even second Beta this may not
 even be there. If I remember correctly iOS 7 had 5 Beta versions between the
 announcement at the beginning of June last year and its release in mid
 September and unless you are developing apps and need the iOS 8 environment
 for testing, it's best to wait at least until Beta 3.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:01 AM
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail
 
 Hi and sorry for cross posting but this stupid question of mine conserns
 both the Mac and the IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see
 how accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an error message
 saying the file with the firmware isn't compatible. Now i know that the
 firmware i downloaded is compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model,
 and still Itunes complains over incompatibility so i think that it's the
 ITunes version that's not the latest one, and i can't find it anywhere, so
 is there somewhere i can look for a beta version of ITunes?
 Thanks so much in advance.
 /Krister
 
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Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

If you purchase the book titled getting Started with the iPhone and IOS 7.0 
many of these questions will be answered. It can be purchased for $24 from 
the National Braille Press in several formats go to http://www.nbp.org for 
more information.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


I would like to echo the same request for, a guide on how to use and
navigate I Tunes. I have found it challenging, and not very user friendly
for a JAWS user.

I know if I could understand and be able to master the navigation of it on
my PC, using it on my I Phone would be a much better experience.

Thanks for your much needed, and useful help.

C
- Original Message - 
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


Anna,
Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
Windows?
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one based
on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being sure
to include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from
National Braille Press.

Best,
Anna

iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch
by Anna Dresner
In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to VoiceOver,
Bluetooth keyboard, and braille displays.

Order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IOS7-REF.html




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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Cheryl,

Just wanted to tell you, I really love your tag line at the bottom of your 
e-mail...Lamentations 3:21-23.  I have turned to those verses many a time.

Thank you for being a light to others.
God bless you.
C
- Original Message - 
From: Cheryl Homiak
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


Age in and of itself means nothing. I am going to be 62 in July. Certainly 
age mixed with some other factors could be significant.



  -- 
  Cheryl
  I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
  Then God gave me a new heart and life:
  His joy for my despairing tears!
  And now, every day:
  This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
  his mercies never come to an end;
  they are new every morning;
  great is your faithfulness.
  (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)



On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:13 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:


  Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
  would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
  younger.

  Neal

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
  Of Teresa Cochran
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

  Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. 
If
  you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad 
without
  a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
  they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
  method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the 
numpad
  keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
  What is Siri? Hmmm.

  I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
  receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
  well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why 
they
  can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one 
attention
  would have been a good idea.

  having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, 
if
  addressed to most blind folks out there.

  Teresa

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  On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
  viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:


Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering

  the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would 
be
  very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
  good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan 
to
  write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
  objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible 
pieces
  of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
  this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or 
even
  a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
  NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and 
readers
  of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from 
a
  nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people
  may read this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to
  things which the article claims are not good about the device.

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Ari Moisio


Hi

Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its 
Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.



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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 05:08:57 -0700
From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Well, I can't think of anyone who would buy an iPhone just because they need 
a phone.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Ari Moisio
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:00 AM
To: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he 
can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require 
an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device 
that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some 
sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works
as a phone without a data plan.

2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial 
a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri 
to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what 
I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from 
Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile
layer. Good business, i have to admit.

3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as 
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille 
apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that research 
has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using the 
touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per minute. By 
contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 
words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing 
one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your 
voice to place a call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate
something i can call with same effort.

4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently 
by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering 
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone 
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people 
can successfully operate a touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port 
and when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before 
going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and 
turning your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save 
battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the 
thing into a computer or a wall outlet every night.


It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on
gps there are

Re: Where do i normally find the dictation feature in the IPhone?

2014-06-05 Thread isaac

Go to settings general and then go to siri. 
Next turn on siri. 
Once siri is on then you should be able to go in to a text field and then do a 
two finger double tap to start dictation and two finger double tap to stop.
isaac
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On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

 Hi, I should know this, but i don't remember where i enable the dictation 
 feature on the IPhone. Is it somewhere under settings and if so where?
 /Krister
 
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Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

go to http://www.applevis.com and you'll find all the information you can 
digest and more.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

I am not a W. E. user. Would you mind telling me where I could find this pod
cast/ webinar?

Many thanks.
C
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Joseph,
I didn't realize that GW Micro, or should I say AI Squared also recorded
an iTunes webinar.  I will definitely have to give it a listen.  I
actually use it with NVDA and I just find it convenient when I'm looking
for podcasts.
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On 6/4/2014 10:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

I feel the Window-Eyes iTunes presentation was much more thorough as it
described by a sighted or at the least a partially sighted person what is
showing on the screen as well as the layout of the various tools within
iTunes. I'm a Jaws user and 95% of the presentation can be considered
screenreader neutral.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
don't usually preorder books.
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On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:

Hi David and Anna,
I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what
to
do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
Please talk to NBP about such a product.

Best,
Terrie Terlau
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Anna,
Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
Windows?
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On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
based

on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being sure
to
include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from National
Braille Press.

Best,
Anna

iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch
by Anna Dresner
In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to VoiceOver,

Bluetooth keyboard, and braille displays.

Order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IOS7-REF.html

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Rich Ring

When I first encountered the iPhone, my fundamental thinking about the manner 
in which blind people used technology had to undergo a radical change. As a 
long time computer user, I was not as concerned with where icons and the like 
were located on the screen. I was more concerned about how to issue commands 
that would accomplish the tasks I needed to perform. As an instructor of newly 
blinded adults, I did attempt to learn more about screen geography, however, it 
still was not the most important issue for me.
With Apple's touch screen devices, the location of screen items is vital to an 
overall understanding of how to use the technology efficiently. When I had a 
stroke in 2012, I seriously considered ditching my iPhone for a dumb phone 
with buttons. My right hand was, for a time, stupid. I could hardly read 
Braille! This certainly points out the advantages of being a 2 handed Braille 
reader!
However, my fine motor coordination recovered, and I was determined to stick 
with the iPhone! It took me quite a while to learn how the screen was laid out 
and how to accomplish the things I needed and wanted to do.
I'm glad I stuck with the iPhone, it allows me to do so many things that have 
little to do with making phone calls!
I listen to sports,music, audio books, gather my daily dose of news and much 
more!
I'll never be a fast typist on a touch screen, but that, for me, is the only 
drawback!
I don't think the iPhone is for everyone, but it's definitely for me!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:12 AM, cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Currently, I have not had my I Phone switched to my cellular plan. I do have 
 WYFY at my house. My reason for doing it this way is because, I wanted to 
 practice typing, using the key pad and other features without being 
 concerned I would accidently call someone. It has worked out very well. I am 
 at the point now, I am ready to have my little flip phone turned off and my 
 I Phone turned on with cellular service.
 
 I have learned, so far, using the I Phone is like using JAWS. You learn the 
 basics...eventually. Then, you begin to learn more advanced functions, etc. 
 It most definitely can be over whelming in the beginning, for some. It takes 
 time and patience.
 
 Maybe for some blind/VI people, it is not as brain straining as for others. 
 However, everybody learns at a different pace. That does not mean any one is 
 smarter or dumber.
 
 The I Phone is not for everyone. It is the same way in the sited world, too. 
 I have talked with several people who are not blind; and they refuse to buy 
 a smart phone, text, etc.
 
 Admittedly so, learning this new device has been challenging...but, I do 
 enjoy the challenge. It has made me stretch my limits...and that is a good 
 thing.
 
 As long as new technology is being developed, the blind/VI community will 
 face certain battles and struggles. It is most important, in my opinion, for 
 the community to not splinter, but to stay strong. We can agree to 
 disagree...but, we need to support the basic idea of advancing opportunities 
 for the blind/VI community with new technology as it is developed.
 
 C
 - Original Message - 
 From: Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:40 AM
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this
 totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.
 
 The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone
 without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep
 track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts
 and so on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if
 they do, it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind
 person's option if they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart
 phone?
 
 I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing,
 but why should blind people be any different than the general
 population. This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've
 never said a blind person should be able to use all of the features of a
 smart phone and not have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a
 valid point though the blind people do not have the feature phone option
 and the ability to use a cell phone without a data plan that sighted
 people do.
 
 On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have 
 been complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. 
 Some people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for 
 everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a 
 data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Paul Ferrara

David, I understand your concern; if the article is as poor as you say, it 
is disturbing. However, there are plenty of positive things out there, word 
of mouth, etc. So hopefully most people who are interested will find much 
more positive things to counteract the negatives in this article. By the 
way, if anyone has the link to the article, post it please so we all can 
read it and perhaps comment if the magazine allows for comments.


Thank you.

Paul

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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
which the article claims are not good about the device.
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread alia robinson

I am a witch, how many people would thank me for a pagan tagline? I do not 
need/want religion on my iphone list.
On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:33 AM, cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Cheryl,
  
 Just wanted to tell you, I really love your tag line at the bottom of your 
 e-mail...Lamentations 3:21-23.  I have turned to those verses many a time.

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Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Thanks.
C
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

go to http://www.applevis.com and you'll find all the information you can
digest and more.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

I am not a W. E. user. Would you mind telling me where I could find this pod
cast/ webinar?

Many thanks.
C
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From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Joseph,
I didn't realize that GW Micro, or should I say AI Squared also recorded
an iTunes webinar.  I will definitely have to give it a listen.  I
actually use it with NVDA and I just find it convenient when I'm looking
for podcasts.
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 10:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 I feel the Window-Eyes iTunes presentation was much more thorough as it
 described by a sighted or at the least a partially sighted person what is
 showing on the screen as well as the layout of the various tools within
 iTunes. I'm a Jaws user and 95% of the presentation can be considered
 screenreader neutral.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:12 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
 it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
 excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
 Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
 to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
 don't usually preorder books.
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:
 Hi David and Anna,
 I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
 define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what
 to
 do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
 Please talk to NBP about such a product.

 Best,
 Terrie Terlau
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Anna,
 Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
 a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
 Windows?
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi,

 A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
 based
 on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being sure
 to
 include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from National
 Braille Press.
 Best,
 Anna

 iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch
 by Anna Dresner
 In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

 You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to VoiceOver,
 Bluetooth keyboard, and braille displays.
 Order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IOS7-REF.html

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Re: IClean

2014-06-05 Thread Russ Kiehne


Does this app work with the ipad and ipod touch?

On 6/4/2014 9:48 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

It deletes files under the hood such as temp files or files from apps
which have been deleted from the phone. You can have in remind you
when to run but I have that turned off and just run it every few
weeks. The new version seems to delete more. I ran the app on Monday
before I got the update then out of curiousity ran it again after the
update. The second time it still found more junk to delete. I wouldn't
be worried about using it. If you are uncomfortable backup your phone
or your data and if their is a problem you can always restore it.

On 6/4/14, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:

does it let you know when it needs to be ran again?



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

I think it deletes things under the hood. None of my data has been
deleted in the time I used it.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 16:54, Teresa Cochran wrote:

What exactly does it do? I know it 'cleans' the device, but what is it
doing when it does that? Does it delete files that are accessible to the
user, or is it doing something under the hood? I feel a little
apprehensive about it.

teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:49 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:


I think the ap makes my I devices run faster



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to

wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message- From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

Please carry on providing such information and ignore the ones who don't
appreciate it. I appreciated the help very much since it got lost in
translation as it were and I so wanted that app back since it does a
good job on my iPhone 4s.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 15:28, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

I didn't post a link for it when I did the original post because I had
no reason to turn on my computer and do a search for a product that
was already on my phone. I thought people would appreciate knowing
that the app had been updated since it was removed from the store for
so long. The only mistake I made was not giving the right name since
the developer changed it. If people can't appreciate that then I won't
waste my time in the future.

On 6/4/14, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:

Try i encript.
- Original Message -
From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: IClean


still can't find I clean or Ior I disk plus and I put in the plus sign



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing

to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

Got it! I did see a download button instead of an actual price meaning

I
bought it already. But didn't realize what it was. Cheers! Running it
now.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 09:18, Les Kriegler wrote:

Okay, I can see why everyone is confused.  The program when you open
it is

called iDisk Plus, that's with the Plus sign.  However, when I got
the
update tonight, it was called i Encript.  Encript has an I in it, not

a Y.

Now, if you search on I Disk you'll find it, but search on I Encript
and I

think you'll find it faster.  I gained back about .7 gig by running
it
tonight.  HTH.

Les
On Jun 4, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


I cannot find iDisk in the App Store.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 00:32, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

It deletes unnecessary files from the IPhone. I think they may have
changed the name to iDisk+ Their are a few more features but it
does
the same as before as well and better.

On 6/3/14, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't think it's back in the App Store. I get notifications all
the
time to clean up my phone. Also, I just searched for it in the
store
and could not see it.

Sharonda

On 6/3/14, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:

can yu tell me what this ap does please?



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm
willing

to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message-
From: John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IClean

It looks like IClean

Re: Where do i normally find the dictation feature in the IPhone?

Thanks so much, i think i've managed to find it.
/Krister

5 jun 2014 kl. 14:41 skrev isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com:

 Go to settings general and then go to siri. 
 Next turn on siri. 
 Once siri is on then you should be able to go in to a text field and then do 
 a two finger double tap to start dictation and two finger double tap to stop.
 isaac
 isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 Skype gold_wildcat 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I should know this, but i don't remember where i enable the dictation 
 feature on the IPhone. Is it somewhere under settings and if so where?
 /Krister
 
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Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Hi Cathy and all,

The information given below is incorrect as Window-Eyes podcasts more than 
likely cannot be found on the AppleVis website. Try the following link and 
search for the word iTunes.
http://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Webinar_Training/

Here are direct download links:

iTunes 11 and Window-Eyes: Part 1 - October 31, 2013
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/iTunesPartTwo.mp3

iTunes 11 and Window-Eyes: Part 2 - November 27, 2013
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/iTunesPartTwo.mp3

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


Thanks.
C
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


go to http://www.applevis.com and you'll find all the information you can
digest and more.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


I am not a W. E. user. Would you mind telling me where I could find this pod
cast/ webinar?

Many thanks.
C
- Original Message - 
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


Joseph,
I didn't realize that GW Micro, or should I say AI Squared also recorded
an iTunes webinar.  I will definitely have to give it a listen.  I
actually use it with NVDA and I just find it convenient when I'm looking
for podcasts.
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 10:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 I feel the Window-Eyes iTunes presentation was much more thorough as it
 described by a sighted or at the least a partially sighted person what is
 showing on the screen as well as the layout of the various tools within
 iTunes. I'm a Jaws user and 95% of the presentation can be considered
 screenreader neutral.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:12 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


 Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
 it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
 excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
 Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
 to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
 don't usually preorder books.
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:
 Hi David and Anna,
 I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
 define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what
 to
 do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
 Please talk to NBP about such a product.

 Best,
 Terrie Terlau
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Anna,
 Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
 a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
 Windows?
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi,

 A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
 based
 on the reference materials in Getting

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Just so everyone knows, I have been forwarding comments related to this 
article to the editor of the Braille Monitor, Gary Wunder. nHis address is 
gwun...@gmail.com if you wish to communicate with him directly.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


David, I understand your concern; if the article is as poor as you say, it
is disturbing. However, there are plenty of positive things out there, word
of mouth, etc. So hopefully most people who are interested will find much
more positive things to counteract the negatives in this article. By the
way, if anyone has the link to the article, post it please so we all can
read it and perhaps comment if the magazine allows for comments.

Thank you.

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
which the article claims are not good about the device.
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Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

2014-06-05 Thread Russ Kiehne


GW Micro also did a two part tutorial on using itunes with window eyes.

On 6/4/2014 7:12 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone wrote:

Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
don't usually preorder books.
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:

Hi David and Anna,
I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know
what to
do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
Please talk to NBP about such a product.

Best,
Terrie Terlau
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Anna,
Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
Windows?
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
based

on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being
sure to
include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from National
Braille Press.

Best,
Anna

iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch
by Anna Dresner
In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to VoiceOver,

Bluetooth keyboard, and braille displays.

Order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IOS7-REF.html






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Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

2014-06-05 Thread Jeffrey Turner

Hello List Members,

This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream of
living without at this point in my life.

However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a normal
day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.

This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, if
you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content from
this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, repetitive
beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now is,
please write me offline.

My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list readers.
Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take one
week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what constitutes
valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what is
valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.

I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.

Warmly,
Jeffrey Turner
jturner...@gmail.com


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Blind Square

2014-06-05 Thread DJ Reese

Hi list:

Just new to blind square and would love to know, is there anyway of 
integrating Facebook and Twitter?  Thanks!

DJ Reese

Download and install the new Peachtree Radio fM app available in the 
Android, Apple and Black berry app stores today.
Peachtree Radio FM.  where some listen to remember and some listen to 
forget.
www.peachtreeradiofm.com 

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Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Thank you so very much.
C
- Original Message - 
From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Hi Cathy and all,

The information given below is incorrect as Window-Eyes podcasts more than
likely cannot be found on the AppleVis website. Try the following link and
search for the word iTunes.
http://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Webinar_Training/

Here are direct download links:

iTunes 11 and Window-Eyes: Part 1 - October 31, 2013
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/iTunesPartTwo.mp3

iTunes 11 and Window-Eyes: Part 2 - November 27, 2013
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Presentations/audio/iTunesPartTwo.mp3

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Thanks.
C
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

go to http://www.applevis.com and you'll find all the information you can
digest and more.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

I am not a W. E. user. Would you mind telling me where I could find this pod
cast/ webinar?

Many thanks.
C
- Original Message - 
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Joseph,
I didn't realize that GW Micro, or should I say AI Squared also recorded
an iTunes webinar.  I will definitely have to give it a listen.  I
actually use it with NVDA and I just find it convenient when I'm looking
for podcasts.
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 10:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 I feel the Window-Eyes iTunes presentation was much more thorough as it
 described by a sighted or at the least a partially sighted person what is
 showing on the screen as well as the layout of the various tools within
 iTunes. I'm a Jaws user and 95% of the presentation can be considered
 screenreader neutral.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:12 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
 it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
 excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
 Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
 to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
 don't usually preorder books.
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
 Visually Impaired
 On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:
 Hi David and Anna,
 I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
 define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what
 to
 do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
 Please talk to NBP about such a product.

 Best,
 Terrie Terlau
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Anna,
 Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
 a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
 Windows?
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
 free to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator

Re: Blind Square

2014-06-05 Thread Feliciano G

No

  Regards, Feliciano

Sent from the Super-iPhone

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:06 AM, DJ Reese atlanticst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 Just new to blind square and would love to know, is there anyway of 
 integrating Facebook and Twitter?  Thanks!
 
 DJ Reese
 
 Download and install the new Peachtree Radio fM app available in the 
 Android, Apple and Black berry app stores today.
 Peachtree Radio FM.  where some listen to remember and some listen to 
 forget.
 www.peachtreeradiofm.com 
 
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Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read 
your 10 messages of interest?

I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a new 
earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding 
earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been 
exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my questions 
had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a great 
resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.

The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions 
relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case 
with what you're proposing.

Joseph

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From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading


Hello List Members,

This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream of
living without at this point in my life.

However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a normal
day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.

This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, if
you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content from
this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, repetitive
beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now is,
please write me offline.

My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list readers.
Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take one
week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what constitutes
valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what is
valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.

I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.

Warmly,
Jeffrey Turner
jturner...@gmail.com


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Re: How to Test iOS 8 Legally (was Trying to install IOs 8 and fail)

2014-06-05 Thread Jonathan Mosen

Further to Sieghard's excellent message, if anyone wants to explore what's 
involved in taking the plunge and testing iOS, I produced a webinar on this 
subject last year and you can still purchase the MP3 archive. It's at
http://mosen.org/index.php/testing-testing-mosen-consulting-ios-webinar/
Personally I encourage anyone who is willing to accept that there'll be bugs, 
and who is good at clearly articulating to Apple what problems they're having 
and what causes them, to give it a go. The more capable people we have feeding 
back at this stage of the process, the more we may benefit through bugs being 
squashed before release.
That said, any software company has to prioritise bugs, so some may just not 
make being fixed before the final cut.
Happy testing.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 6/06/2014, at 12:11 am, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Krister,
 
 You have to be a registered developer to install iOS Beta software. If you
 are you can download the Beta from the Apple developer center, if you are
 not a registered developer (it costs $99 a year) you should probably not
 attempt this; in any case, Cara and Raul will kick your butt if you are not
 a developer and are posting questions or comments to the list regarding
 running an iOS Beta and if you are a developer you can't post because you
 would have agreed to an NDA which means a Non-Disclosure Agreement
 according to which you agreed not to tell anybody about any features of Beta
 software that is not accessible to the public.
 Apple announced that the are going to offer a public beta for the new OSX 10
 operating system, but there is no public beta for iOS.
 
 Now, even if you do have a developer account I would highly discourage you
 to install a first Beta. They are usually really meant for developers only
 as they will have lots of bugs and often are not even close to being feature
 complete. For example, Apple said the Alex voice is coming to the iPhone and
 I assume this means it will be available as a US English Voiceover voice.
 Now, it may very well be that in a first or even second Beta this may not
 even be there. If I remember correctly iOS 7 had 5 Beta versions between the
 announcement at the beginning of June last year and its release in mid
 September and unless you are developing apps and need the iOS 8 environment
 for testing, it's best to wait at least until Beta 3.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:01 AM
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Trying to install IOs 8 and fail
 
 Hi and sorry for cross posting but this stupid question of mine conserns
 both the Mac and the IPhone. I'm trying to install the new IOS8 beta to see
 how accessibility is and am failing miserably because i get an error message
 saying the file with the firmware isn't compatible. Now i know that the
 firmware i downloaded is compatible with my device, the IPhone GSM model,
 and still Itunes complains over incompatibility so i think that it's the
 ITunes version that's not the latest one, and i can't find it anywhere, so
 is there somewhere i can look for a beta version of ITunes?
 Thanks so much in advance.
 /Krister
 
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Apple WWDC 2014 Presentation Summary for iOS

Hi all,

From the AppleVis website:

Summary of Announcements from WWDC 2014 Keynote | AppleVis
http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-ios-mac-os-x-news/summary-?announcements-wwdc-2014-keynote

iOS8

As always, iOS8 will be a free update, scheduled to be released sometime
this fall. Unlike OS X Yosemite, though, iOS8 is not a public beta; only
registered developers are able to download and test the new operating
system.

Notifications

The Notification Center in Yosemite borrowed the iOS Today view, and iOS8
returned the favor, borrowing a feature from Yosemite. This feature:
widgets. You can now download apps that offer widgets; if you do, you will
see that a new widget is available next time you open the Notification
Center, and you can add it.

Also like OS X, notifications are now easier to deal with. You can tap a
widget to respond to a notification, or simply pull down on a banner
notification to respond. For example, if you are in the Mail app and get a
text, you can just pull down the text, type your response, send it, and
you're back in Mail.

Safari

On the iPad, Safari now displays the same sidebar and tab view that Yosemite
introduces. No other changes were mentioned for Safari.

Mail

Have you ever been writing an email and needed to check another email for a
detail? You could cancel your message, save it as a draft, check your
information, go back to the drafts mailbox, find your draft, and keep
writing. With iOS8, you simply pull down while typing your email and it
slides out of the way, returning you to your mailbox/message list. When you
are ready, tap the button in the lower right and your draft returns, ready
for you to continue typing it.

Mail also makes extensive use of gestures to flag, delete, and mark
messages. I cannot be sure, but I imagine VoiceOver's actions rotor item
will be how this happens. In fact, right now, VO users have access to all
these features from the rotor, so I doubt much will change on the Mail front
as far as Voiceover is concerned.

Recent People

The App Switcher has been used for years to show you recently used apps.
Now, it also shows you recently contacted people, and you can text, call, or
FaceTime them right from the new and improved App Switcher.

Spotlight

Similar to Yosemite, the iOS8 Spotlight search pulls web search results,
contacts, iCloud Drive documents, news, and more when you search. It can
even find apps, movies, and music you do not have yet and suggest them, a
feature for which i currently have rather mixed feelings.

Keyboards

The stock iOS keyboard now has context-sensitive predictive typing. If you
get a message asking how the meeting went yesterday, and you type the m,
it might suggest meeting. If the message instead asked how the movie was,
the auto-complete suggestion would be movie.

Much more exciting, though, is the news that, after years of waiting,
third-party keyboards AND BRAILLE are coming to iOS! One day soon, you will
be able to use braille, or Fleksy, or any other keyboard you like, to type
anywhere in iOS. Imagine using braille to write a text directly in the
Messages app, or Fleksy to type out an email or iTunes search. It is
coming - Apple's WWDC slides said that six-key braille entry would come with
iOS8 as a keyboard option, and the developers of Fleksy plan to be among the
first to offer their app as a default keyboard after iOS8 is released. Of
all the features in iOS8, I have to say that this is the one to which I am
looking forward the most.

Messages

Messages just got a whole lot more powerful. You can name threads,
add/remove people (including removing yourself) from threads, temporarily
share your location with others in a thread, and more. You can even send
audio or video clips, or still images, right from the messages app itself.
If you have an iPhone, sending an audio clip is as easy as raising the phone
to your ear, speaking, and lowering it. Other devices can send audio, you
just have to tap and hold on the dictation button in the keyboard. You can
even set Do Not Disturb for single threads, letting you mute a busy thread
you don't care about but still receive all other notifications.

Enterprise

iOS8 offers several new enterprise features, including passcode locks for
apps and files, third-party file servers that integrate into iCloud, VIP
message threads, and much more.

Health

The very aptly named health app will be the central location for all
health data you authorize it to know about. It will get this data through
the Healthkit framework, which other apps can hook into. For instance, your
pedometer app might tell it how far you've walked in the last week, your
food app will tell it how many calories you've eaten, your bluetooth scale
will tell it how much you've weighed each day, and your bluetooth blood
pressure cuff will give it blood pressure information. Health will collate
all this into a single set of metrics you can use to keep track

Re: IClean

Yes, it works with the iPod. I'm pretty sure it said it was compatible with 
iPad too, but don't quote me on it. You can double-check that in the app store.

Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does this app work with the ipad and ipod touch?
 
 On 6/4/2014 9:48 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 It deletes files under the hood such as temp files or files from apps
 which have been deleted from the phone. You can have in remind you
 when to run but I have that turned off and just run it every few
 weeks. The new version seems to delete more. I ran the app on Monday
 before I got the update then out of curiousity ran it again after the
 update. The second time it still found more junk to delete. I wouldn't
 be worried about using it. If you are uncomfortable backup your phone
 or your data and if their is a problem you can always restore it.
 
 On 6/4/14, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:
 does it let you know when it needs to be ran again?
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IClean
 
 I think it deletes things under the hood. None of my data has been
 deleted in the time I used it.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 04/06/2014 16:54, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 What exactly does it do? I know it 'cleans' the device, but what is it
 doing when it does that? Does it delete files that are accessible to the
 user, or is it doing something under the hood? I feel a little
 apprehensive about it.
 
 teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:49 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:
 
 I think the ap makes my I devices run faster
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to
 
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IClean
 
 Please carry on providing such information and ignore the ones who don't
 appreciate it. I appreciated the help very much since it got lost in
 translation as it were and I so wanted that app back since it does a
 good job on my iPhone 4s.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 04/06/2014 15:28, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 I didn't post a link for it when I did the original post because I had
 no reason to turn on my computer and do a search for a product that
 was already on my phone. I thought people would appreciate knowing
 that the app had been updated since it was removed from the store for
 so long. The only mistake I made was not giving the right name since
 the developer changed it. If people can't appreciate that then I won't
 waste my time in the future.
 
 On 6/4/14, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
 Try i encript.
 - Original Message -
 From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: Re: IClean
 
 
 still can't find I clean or Ior I disk plus and I put in the plus sign
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing
 
 to
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IClean
 
 Got it! I did see a download button instead of an actual price meaning
 
 I
 bought it already. But didn't realize what it was. Cheers! Running it
 now.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 04/06/2014 09:18, Les Kriegler wrote:
 Okay, I can see why everyone is confused.  The program when you open
 it is
 
 called iDisk Plus, that's with the Plus sign.  However, when I got
 the
 update tonight, it was called i Encript.  Encript has an I in it, not
 
 a Y.
 
 Now, if you search on I Disk you'll find it, but search on I Encript
 and I
 
 think you'll find it faster.  I gained back about .7 gig by running
 it
 tonight.  HTH.
 
 Les
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
 christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I cannot find iDisk in the App Store.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 04/06/2014 00:32, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 It deletes unnecessary files from the IPhone. I think they may have
 changed the name to iDisk+ Their are a few more features but it
 does
 the same as before as well and better.
 
 On 6/3/14, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't think it's back in the App Store. I get notifications all
 the
 time to clean up my phone. Also, I just searched for

Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

You can also set the list to no mail and also look at the archive. I do that 
with several list that I occasionally post to.

Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman

On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read 
 your 10 messages of interest?
 
 I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a new 
 earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding 
 earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been 
 exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my questions 
 had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a great 
 resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.
 
 The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions 
 relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case 
 with what you're proposing.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
 Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading
 
 
 Hello List Members,
 
 This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
 moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
 primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream of
 living without at this point in my life.
 
 However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
 messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a normal
 day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.
 
 This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, if
 you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content from
 this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, repetitive
 beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now is,
 please write me offline.
 
 My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list readers.
 Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take one
 week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
 other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what constitutes
 valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what is
 valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.
 
 I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
 really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.
 
 Warmly,
 Jeffrey Turner
 jturner...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

just to answer the question, though it's straying off-topic for this list: the 
update to the Samsung Haven and the Jitterbug are the only two feature phones i 
know of that are totally accessible.

Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman

On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this totally 
 misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.
 
 The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone 
 without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep 
 track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts and so 
 on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if they do, 
 it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind person's option if 
 they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart phone?
 
 I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing, but 
 why should blind people be any different than the general population. This 
 isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've never said a blind person 
 should be able to use all of the features of a smart phone and not have to 
 purchase a data plan. I do think it's a valid point though the blind people 
 do not have the feature phone option and the ability to use a cell phone 
 without a data plan that sighted people do.
 
 On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
 complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some 
 people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for 
 everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a 
 data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.
 
 Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so 
 forgot about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. 
 Oh, and the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data 
 plan, tended to complain because many of those desired features were then 
 crippled.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:
 
 The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple 
 does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
 Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also 
 has he ever heard of wifi?
 
 Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
 Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb 
 technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
 Din
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
 Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
 would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
 younger.
 
 Neal
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. 
 If
 you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad 
 without
 a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
 they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
 method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the 
 numpad
 keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
 What is Siri? Hmmm.
 
 I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
 receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
 well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why they
 can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one 
 attention
 would have been a good idea.
 
 having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, if
 addressed to most blind folks out there.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
 viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
 the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would be
 very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
 good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan 
 to
 write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
 objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most

Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

2014-06-05 Thread Anthony Vece

Just delete what you don't want to read!
It's that simple!


Sent from my iPhone 5s!

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 You can also set the list to no mail and also look at the archive. I do that 
 with several list that I occasionally post to.
 
 Teresa
 
 Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. 
 Feynman
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read 
 your 10 messages of interest?
 
 I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a new 
 earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding 
 earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been 
 exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my questions 
 had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a great 
 resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.
 
 The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions 
 relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case 
 with what you're proposing.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
 Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading
 
 
 Hello List Members,
 
 This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
 moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
 primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream of
 living without at this point in my life.
 
 However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
 messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a normal
 day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.
 
 This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, if
 you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content from
 this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, repetitive
 beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now is,
 please write me offline.
 
 My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list readers.
 Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take one
 week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
 other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what constitutes
 valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what is
 valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.
 
 I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
 really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.
 
 Warmly,
 Jeffrey Turner
 jturner...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

Threaded displays of messages are very very helpful in this regard. One press 
of a key or double-tap can delete a hundred messages on a topic that is not 
relevant to you.

teresa

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On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just delete what you don't want to read!
 It's that simple!
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 5s!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 You can also set the list to no mail and also look at the archive. I do that 
 with several list that I occasionally post to.
 
 Teresa
 
 Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. 
 Feynman
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read 
 your 10 messages of interest?
 
 I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a new 
 earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding 
 earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been 
 exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my 
 questions 
 had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a great 
 resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.
 
 The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions 
 relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case 
 with what you're proposing.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
 Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading
 
 
 Hello List Members,
 
 This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
 moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
 primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream of
 living without at this point in my life.
 
 However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
 messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a normal
 day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.
 
 This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, if
 you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content from
 this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, repetitive
 beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now is,
 please write me offline.
 
 My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list readers.
 Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take one
 week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
 other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what constitutes
 valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what is
 valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.
 
 I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
 really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.
 
 Warmly,
 Jeffrey Turner
 jturner...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: Blind Square

2014-06-05 Thread Jennie Facer

The only way you can integrate Facebook and Twitter is if you have a Foursquare 
account and check in from Blind Square.

Jenn

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:06 AM, DJ Reese atlanticst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 Just new to blind square and would love to know, is there anyway of 
 integrating Facebook and Twitter?  Thanks!
 
 DJ Reese
 
 Download and install the new Peachtree Radio fM app available in the 
 Android, Apple and Black berry app stores today.
 Peachtree Radio FM.  where some listen to remember and some listen to 
 forget.
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RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Neal Ewers

As I recall, he says that one has to recharge their battery every day. I,
for one, have never had to do that. True, I don't play 24 hours of music or
use the phone or other applications 12 to 15 hours a day, just to pick some
random numbers, but I can often go for days without recharging. It's this
kind of blanket statement that makes me wonder how much time he spent with
his phone.

Neal


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

just to answer the question, though it's straying off-topic for this list:
the update to the Samsung Haven and the Jitterbug are the only two feature
phones i know of that are totally accessible.

Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P.
Feynman

On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this
totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.
 
 The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone
without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep
track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts and so
on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if they do,
it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind person's option if
they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart phone?
 
 I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing,
but why should blind people be any different than the general population.
This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've never said a blind
person should be able to use all of the features of a smart phone and not
have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a valid point though the blind
people do not have the feature phone option and the ability to use a cell
phone without a data plan that sighted people do.
 
 On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
 The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have
been complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released.
Some people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for
everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a
data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.
 
 Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so
forgot about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function.
Oh, and the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data
plan, tended to complain because many of those desired features were then
crippled.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:
 
 The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple
does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
 Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?
Also has he ever heard of wifi?
 
 Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
 Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb
technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
 Din
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
 Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some 
 time. It would have been interesting if the article had been 
 written by someone younger.
 
 Neal
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't 
 get one. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod 
 Touch, or an iPad without a data plan. What are those, you say? 
 Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards they're not as fast for anyone 
 as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old method of using the 
 teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the numpad keys for
typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
 What is Siri? Hmmm.
 
 I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center 
 who receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate 
 them. A well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they 
 ask me why they can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit 
 more one-on-one attention would have been a good idea.
 
 having said this, I think this article is more than a tad 
 condescending, if addressed to most blind folks out there.

Re: re iEncript

2014-06-05 Thread Kathy Brandt

Are you supposed to do anything with where it says process? From what I can 
tell you just let it run and occasionally hit done when it says that your 
storage capacity is full and then at the end it tells you how much space it 
cleared up for you, but what does process do? Thanks.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 10:19 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you Keith.  Your response gives me a reason to consider purchasing
this app.  Have a nice night.

DJ


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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: re iEncript

Hello, DJ. It cleans temporary files you no longer need off your iPhone. It
can free significant space on your iPhone, especially if you have had it for
a while.

On 6/4/14, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Will someone please explain exactly what all this app does as the app 
 store discription simply says that it's the new and improved version of
iClean.
 Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of David
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:18 PM
 To: VIPhone Post
 Subject: re iEncript
 
 HI, just purchased this app, but haven't got a clue how to use it.
 
 Tryed looking on the the developers website, and can't find any help 
 guide, and it still talks about the old name for this app, which was
iClean.
 
 Hope someone can help, as i don't want to mess up my 4s.
 
 Many thanks,
 
 Dave.
 
 
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What's This Mac Master Series Thing Anyway?

2014-06-05 Thread VaShaun Jones

 
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Last chance to lock in your low Mac Master Series rate before the price 
increases in a few short hours.
 
Tell me: Does learning the Mac seem like an unattainable feat? Like flying to 
the moon, climbing Mount Everest or winning the Olympics?
 
For many, making the switch from Windows or getting a handle on VoiceOver can 
seem a little overwhelming at first--but I can tell you with absolute 
certainty, mastering your Mac has never been easier.
 
During tonight's Mac Mixer event (which starts at 9PM EST), you'll get to meet 
a few folks who thought some of these very same things. But once they started 
working through the Mac Master Series, they quickly discovered learning the Mac 
can be easy, fast and fun.
 
But I realize you probably have a few questions before registering for your 
free invitation to the event, so I wanted to take a few minutes to answer them 
right here. (And if you don't see your question here, just reply to this 
message and I'll make sure to get a response your way this afternoon.)
 
Q: What is the Mac Mixer event?
 
A: It's a live teleconference with dozens of folks who are curious about all of 
the possibilities the Mac has to offer them. They might be skeptical of Apple's 
screen reading solution, VoiceOver, or whether or not they would be able to get 
real work done on a Mac machine. Some are tired of spending money on software 
maintenance agreements and screen reader updates, while others are just ready 
for a change.
 
You'll get to discover all of the powerful features of the Mac and OS X, as 
well as an introduction to VoiceOver, one of the most powerful screen reading 
solutions on the block.
 
You'll also learn more about the Mac Master Series and how it's changing the 
lives of others in the blindness community.
 
Plus: Just for registering for the free Mac Mixer event, you'll be entered into 
a giveaway for a free scholarship to the Mac Master Series (a $240 value.) 
There's really nothing to lose by signing up, and we can guarantee you'll have 
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real people (just like you) who are seeing success with their Mac and Apple 
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others. You'll hear from switchers and those who just about gave up on 
VoiceOver altogether. Our hope is that you'll walk away empowered, encouraged 
and reenergized to tackle your Mac (or any other new tech that's sitting on a 
shelf.)
 
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A: The Mac Master Series is quickly becoming the go-to resource for anyone 
wanting to do more with the Mac. It's something we're very excited about here 
at Fedora Outlier, but are even more encouraged to see so many others excited 
about, too.
 
If you attend the Mac Mixer event, we're not going to ask you to sign on the 
dotted line or commit to some ironclad contract that gives us naming rights to 
your first born. Instead, you'll hear about the many success stories coming out 
of the Mac Master Series, as well as more details about some exclusive, 
ultra-low pricing we're offering to founding members (which can be locked in to 
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But it's important to note: If you're at all interested in getting a handle on 
your Mac, now is the time to take the plunge and do it (because the price will 
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user. You could go to an Apple Store and get training with a certified 
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Reply, and I'll touch base with you shortly. You can also submit a question 
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Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

2014-06-05 Thread Kelly Pierce

I have a separate Gmail address just for mailing lists.  Gmail groups
messages by conversation.  I search the inbox of the e-mail messages
for mailing lists for viphone and can bounce through the topics with
my tab key, skipping the topics I have no interest in.  This approach
has been very efficient and transferable to any computer.


Kelly




On 6/5/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 Threaded displays of messages are very very helpful in this regard. One
 press of a key or double-tap can delete a hundred messages on a topic that
 is not relevant to you.

 teresa

 Teresa Cochran
 batsfly...@me.com
 Facebook

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just delete what you don't want to read!
 It's that simple!


 Sent from my iPhone 5s!

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 You can also set the list to no mail and also look at the archive. I do
 that with several list that I occasionally post to.

 Teresa

 Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P.
 Feynman

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read

 your 10 messages of interest?

 I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a
 new
 earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding

 earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been

 exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my
 questions
 had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a
 great
 resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.

 The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions
 relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case

 with what you're proposing.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
 Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading


 Hello List Members,

 This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
 moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
 primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream
 of
 living without at this point in my life.

 However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
 messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a
 normal
 day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.

 This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but,
 if
 you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content
 from
 this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners,
 repetitive
 beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now
 is,
 please write me offline.

 My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list
 readers.
 Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take
 one
 week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
 other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what
 constitutes
 valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what
 is
 valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.

 I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
 really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.

 Warmly,
 Jeffrey Turner
 jturner...@gmail.com


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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Steve


Frankly, it isn't that bad of an article.

I do think his estimation of an individual's text-messaging speed is pretty 
low, although I am not nearly as fast as my sighted colleagues at texting; 
and I think this is an inherent issue with the human interface method that 
we use.  It is also accurate that the iPhone is not meant for everyone and 
that it is not the most efficient way to make phone calls from the keypad; 
I've heard a computer show where the sighted host said it was a great device 
but a less-than-average phone.


Steve
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


Just so everyone knows, I have been forwarding comments related to this
article to the editor of the Braille Monitor, Gary Wunder. nHis address is
gwun...@gmail.com if you wish to communicate with him directly.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


David, I understand your concern; if the article is as poor as you say, it
is disturbing. However, there are plenty of positive things out there, word
of mouth, etc. So hopefully most people who are interested will find much
more positive things to counteract the negatives in this article. By the
way, if anyone has the link to the article, post it please so we all can
read it and perhaps comment if the magazine allows for comments.

Thank you.

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
which the article claims are not good about the device.
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Re: Drive1 Compared with DropBox

2014-06-05 Thread Kelly Pierce

Terrie,


I love OneDrive because of the windows 8.1 integration and all the
free storage.  I have an Internet connection that has a 10 MBPS
download speed and a one MBPS upload speed.  Text files are uploaded
instantly and other files hundreds of megabytes in size take no more
than a few hours.  Microsoft offers 10 MB of storage free to windows
users who synchronize.  Another 100 MB of free storage is available as
part of the Bing rewards program.  I earned the 100 points needed
after a week of Bing searches.

Accessibility of Dropbox is far superior to that of OneDrive.  Dropbox
easily allows screen reader users to download files without hassle.  I
have accessed files and read documents on my iPhone using the OneDrive
app.  I also have shared files with others by e-mailing a link to a
contact using the iPhone app.  All receiving parties said they were
able to download the 300 MB file easily.


Kelly






On 6/4/14, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 Terrie, a day or so? What is your upload speed. What size files are we
 talking about? It would be nice to hear that the upload to one drive is
 faster, but this is user adjustable in DropBox. So perhaps you are not
 taking full advantage of the upload speed? I'm just curious why it is
 taking
 so long.

 Neal

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Terrie Terlau
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:36 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Drive1 Compared with DropBox

 If you like Drive 1 better than Dropbox, please share your reasons. I am
 looking for an alternative because it sometimes takes a day or so to get
 bigger files  into the DropBox website so that they are available to other
 devices.
 Thanks.
 Terrie Terlau
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Terrie Terlau
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:20 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Hi David and Anna,
 I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
 define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what to
 do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
 Please talk to NBP about such a product.

 Best,
 Terrie Terlau
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

 Anna,
 Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for a
 detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
 Windows?
 Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel free
 to visit my LinkedIn profile
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
 http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
 http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
 Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and Visually
 Impaired On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi,

 A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
 based
 on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being sure
 to
 include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from National
 Braille Press.

 Best,
 Anna

 iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch by Anna Dresner
 In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

 You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to
 VoiceOver,
 Bluetooth keyboard, and braille displays.

 Order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IOS7-REF.html



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Moderator's reminder about thank you messages - Was Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

2014-06-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos

Hello all. Please let's remember to not send out one line messages to 
the list. Common ones are the thank you type of messages. This doesn't 
add to the discussion of the list and adds clutter. If you really want 
to thank someone, please consider sending your gratitude off list, 
meaning, directly to the person.


Thank you.

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On 6/5/2014 8:10 AM, cathy harris wrote:

Thanks.
C
- Original Message -
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


go to http://www.applevis.com and you'll find all the information you can
digest and more.

Fred Olver
- Original Message -
From: cathy harris cathar...@bellsouth.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


I am not a W. E. user. Would you mind telling me where I could find this pod
cast/ webinar?

Many thanks.
C
- Original Message -
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


Joseph,
I didn't realize that GW Micro, or should I say AI Squared also recorded
an iTunes webinar.  I will definitely have to give it a listen.  I
actually use it with NVDA and I just find it convenient when I'm looking
for podcasts.
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On 6/4/2014 10:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

I feel the Window-Eyes iTunes presentation was much more thorough as it
described by a sighted or at the least a partially sighted person what is
showing on the screen as well as the layout of the various tools within
iTunes. I'm a Jaws user and 95% of the presentation can be considered
screenreader neutral.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press


Even though many iPhone users work with iTunes on their iDevice, using
it on windows is, for me, convenient.  Jonathan Mosen recorded an
excellent two-part tutorial on its use for two episodes of Freedom
Scientific's FSCast but there is so much more that he didn't have time
to go into.  If I knew the book was coming out, I'd preorder it and I
don't usually preorder books.
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
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On 6/4/2014 9:20 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote:

Hi David and Anna,
I would welcome such a book. I would buy it immediately. It would need to
define some of the terms in the PC ITunes too because I might know what
to
do with the buttons  if I knew what their labels  meant (grin)!
Please talk to NBP about such a product.

Best,
Terrie Terlau
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS reference card now available from National Braille Press

Anna,
Thank you for letting us know about this.  Has there been any demand for
a detailed, how-to guide on using iTunes, not just on iOS but also on
Windows?
Feel free to visit my new Web site http://www.DavidGoldfield.info Feel
free to visit my LinkedIn profile
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 Visit my blog
http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com Follow me on Twitter
http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield David Goldfield, Founder and Peer
Coordinator Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and
Visually Impaired
On 6/4/2014 4:44 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

A few people were requesting a reference card for iOS. I created one
based

on the reference materials in Getting Started with the iPhone, being sure
to
include the other iDevices as well. Below is info about it from National
Braille Press.

Best,
Anna

iOS 7 Reference Card for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch
by Anna Dresner
In Braille (one small volume), eBraille (BRF), Word, or DAISY: $6.00

You asked for it! Here's Anna Dresner's quick, handy guide to

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Victor Gouveia


David,

I think you should have mentioned, when stating the cost of the iPhone is 
over 600 dollars was to point out that if one were to purchase a separate 
unit to do all of the things the iPhone does for the blind, the cost would 
run well over thousands of dollars, such as the Humanware Trekker Breeze, 
the SARA Scanner or Pearl Camera from Freedom Scientific, or the Digital 
Talking Book Player, such as the Humanware Victor Reader or the 
BookPort/BookSense.


Each of these items perform only one function which is a fragment of what 
the iPhone currently has to offer a blind person, and yet, only the cost of 
the phone is looked at.


All in all, it was a good response to an otherwise pitiful excuse for what 
was supposed to be an unbiased article.




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-Original Message- 
From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.

My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by
Curtis Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is
Not.I was intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite
the Apple fanboy of late and I would have a very difficult time in
coming up with a list of ten objections or things which are not good
about the iPhone. In fact, I'm having a very difficult time in coming up
with a list of one or two things which are not good about the iPhone.
However, no product is perfect and I can handle objectively written
product evaluations. Unfortunately, this article was not one of them.
I'm going to reprint each of the objections stated by Mr. Chong in their
entirety, with my comments below each objection.
What Is Not Good About The iPhone
1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option
for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You
need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home,
he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't
require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer
or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to
pay for some sort of access plan.
2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that
has real, physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's
hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen
protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard
commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been
clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can
use your voice to place a call.
4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate
silently by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people
can successfully operate a touchscreen.
5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it
at least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n
Speak could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However,
this is a non-issue. During the day, I connect my

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

When I started using Smart Phones I decided to get an Android. It was
much harder to use and less efficient. However, it made me appreciate
the IPhone even more. It also made it easier to use. The article makes
it sound like the IPhone is not a good idea. With patience it is a
great tool for blind people. It gives us so much better access to
mainstream technology at a cheaper price than we are used to.

On 6/5/14, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote:
 David,

 I think you should have mentioned, when stating the cost of the iPhone is
 over 600 dollars was to point out that if one were to purchase a separate
 unit to do all of the things the iPhone does for the blind, the cost would
 run well over thousands of dollars, such as the Humanware Trekker Breeze,
 the SARA Scanner or Pearl Camera from Freedom Scientific, or the Digital
 Talking Book Player, such as the Humanware Victor Reader or the
 BookPort/BookSense.

 Each of these items perform only one function which is a fragment of what
 the iPhone currently has to offer a blind person, and yet, only the cost of

 the phone is looked at.

 All in all, it was a good response to an otherwise pitiful excuse for what
 was supposed to be an unbiased article.



 Victor Gouveia
 Vice-President
 Training Coordinator
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 -Original Message-
 From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:38 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

 Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.

 My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by
 Curtis Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is
 Not.I was intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite
 the Apple fanboy of late and I would have a very difficult time in
 coming up with a list of ten objections or things which are not good
 about the iPhone. In fact, I'm having a very difficult time in coming up
 with a list of one or two things which are not good about the iPhone.
 However, no product is perfect and I can handle objectively written
 product evaluations. Unfortunately, this article was not one of them.
 I'm going to reprint each of the objections stated by Mr. Chong in their
 entirety, with my comments below each objection.
 What Is Not Good About The iPhone
 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option
 for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You
 need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the
 Internet.
 Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
 Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home,
 he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't
 require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer
 or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to
 pay for some sort of access plan.
 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
 particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
 dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that
 has real, physical buttons.
 Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
 siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's
 hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen
 protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
 Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad
 allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard
 commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
 compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
 Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
 research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
 the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
 minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been
 clocked at around 23 words per minute.
 response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
 compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
 composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can
 use your voice to place a call.
 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
 coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate
 silently by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
 As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile
 overlays from Speeddots.

Re: re iEncript

I'm not sure what it does. I ran it the same way as you did. This
button was not in the previous version.

On 6/5/14, Kathy Brandt katya20...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you supposed to do anything with where it says process? From what I can
 tell you just let it run and occasionally hit done when it says that your
 storage capacity is full and then at the end it tells you how much space it
 cleared up for you, but what does process do? Thanks.

 On Jun 4, 2014, at 10:19 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Keith.  Your response gives me a reason to consider purchasing
 this app.  Have a nice night.

 DJ


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Keith Bundy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: re iEncript

 Hello, DJ. It cleans temporary files you no longer need off your iPhone. It
 can free significant space on your iPhone, especially if you have had it
 for
 a while.

 On 6/4/14, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Will someone please explain exactly what all this app does as the app
 store discription simply says that it's the new and improved version of
 iClean.
 Thank you.

 DJ

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of David
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:18 PM
 To: VIPhone Post
 Subject: re iEncript

 HI, just purchased this app, but haven't got a clue how to use it.

 Tryed looking on the the developers website, and can't find any help
 guide, and it still talks about the old name for this app, which was
 iClean.

 Hope someone can help, as i don't want to mess up my 4s.

 Many thanks,

 Dave.


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Re: IClean

It works with all three. I have an old third generation IPod which
I've used it on as well as a 5s and IPad.

On 6/5/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 Yes, it works with the iPod. I'm pretty sure it said it was compatible with
 iPad too, but don't quote me on it. You can double-check that in the app
 store.

 Teresa
   
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does this app work with the ipad and ipod touch?

 On 6/4/2014 9:48 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 It deletes files under the hood such as temp files or files from apps
 which have been deleted from the phone. You can have in remind you
 when to run but I have that turned off and just run it every few
 weeks. The new version seems to delete more. I ran the app on Monday
 before I got the update then out of curiousity ran it again after the
 update. The second time it still found more junk to delete. I wouldn't
 be worried about using it. If you are uncomfortable backup your phone
 or your data and if their is a problem you can always restore it.

 On 6/4/14, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:
 does it let you know when it needs to be ran again?



 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing
 to
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IClean

 I think it deletes things under the hood. None of my data has been
 deleted in the time I used it.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu

 On 04/06/2014 16:54, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 What exactly does it do? I know it 'cleans' the device, but what is it
 doing when it does that? Does it delete files that are accessible to
 the
 user, or is it doing something under the hood? I feel a little
 apprehensive about it.

 teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

 On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:49 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
 wrote:

 I think the ap makes my I devices run faster



 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing
 to

 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IClean

 Please carry on providing such information and ignore the ones who
 don't
 appreciate it. I appreciated the help very much since it got lost in
 translation as it were and I so wanted that app back since it does a
 good job on my iPhone 4s.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu

 On 04/06/2014 15:28, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 I didn't post a link for it when I did the original post because I
 had
 no reason to turn on my computer and do a search for a product that
 was already on my phone. I thought people would appreciate knowing
 that the app had been updated since it was removed from the store
 for
 so long. The only mistake I made was not giving the right name since
 the developer changed it. If people can't appreciate that then I
 won't
 waste my time in the future.

 On 6/4/14, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
 Try i encript.
 - Original Message -
 From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: Re: IClean


 still can't find I clean or Ior I disk plus and I put in the plus
 sign



 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm
 willing

 to
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IClean

 Got it! I did see a download button instead of an actual price
 meaning

 I
 bought it already. But didn't realize what it was. Cheers! Running
 it
 now.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu

 On 04/06/2014 09:18, Les Kriegler wrote:
 Okay, I can see why everyone is confused.  The program when you
 open
 it is

 called iDisk Plus, that's with the Plus sign.  However, when I got
 the
 update tonight, it was called i Encript.  Encript has an I in it,
 not

 a Y.

 Now, if you search on I Disk you'll find it, but search on I
 Encript
 and I

 think you'll find it faster.  I gained back about .7 gig by
 running
 it
 tonight.  HTH.

 Les
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
 christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I cannot find iDisk in the App Store.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu

 On 04/06/2014 00:32, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 It deletes unnecessary files from the IPhone. I think they may
 have
 changed the name to iDisk+ Their are a few more features but it
 does
 the same as before as well and better.

 On 6/3/14, Sharonda Greenlaw

I encrypt Process Button

2014-06-05 Thread Lynda Ingraham

Under the word process are two choices--fast or safe. I think selecting one
of those two choices refers to the type of cleaning that will be used on the
device. That was my interpretation when I looked at the three
lines--process, fast, and safe.  

Lynda 

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Re: IClean

2014-06-05 Thread Christopher Hallsworth


Will just say this from knowledge.
Most iPhone apps work also on the iPod Touch. Speciality apps that 
requires use of phone specific features like Whatsapp will only work on 
an iPhone. Having said that iClean is not such an app so yes it will 
work on not only the iPod Touch but the iPad as well.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 05/06/2014 14:33, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does this app work with the ipad and ipod touch?

On 6/4/2014 9:48 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

It deletes files under the hood such as temp files or files from apps
which have been deleted from the phone. You can have in remind you
when to run but I have that turned off and just run it every few
weeks. The new version seems to delete more. I ran the app on Monday
before I got the update then out of curiousity ran it again after the
update. The second time it still found more junk to delete. I wouldn't
be worried about using it. If you are uncomfortable backup your phone
or your data and if their is a problem you can always restore it.

On 6/4/14, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:

does it let you know when it needs to be ran again?



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm
willing to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

I think it deletes things under the hood. None of my data has been
deleted in the time I used it.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 16:54, Teresa Cochran wrote:

What exactly does it do? I know it 'cleans' the device, but what is it
doing when it does that? Does it delete files that are accessible to
the
user, or is it doing something under the hood? I feel a little
apprehensive about it.

teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:49 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:


I think the ap makes my I devices run faster



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm
willing to

wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message- From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

Please carry on providing such information and ignore the ones who
don't
appreciate it. I appreciated the help very much since it got lost in
translation as it were and I so wanted that app back since it does a
good job on my iPhone 4s.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 15:28, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

I didn't post a link for it when I did the original post because I
had
no reason to turn on my computer and do a search for a product that
was already on my phone. I thought people would appreciate knowing
that the app had been updated since it was removed from the store for
so long. The only mistake I made was not giving the right name since
the developer changed it. If people can't appreciate that then I
won't
waste my time in the future.

On 6/4/14, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:

Try i encript.
- Original Message -
From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: IClean


still can't find I clean or Ior I disk plus and I put in the plus
sign



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm
willing

to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

Got it! I did see a download button instead of an actual price
meaning

I
bought it already. But didn't realize what it was. Cheers!
Running it
now.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 09:18, Les Kriegler wrote:

Okay, I can see why everyone is confused.  The program when you
open
it is

called iDisk Plus, that's with the Plus sign.  However, when I got
the
update tonight, it was called i Encript.  Encript has an I in
it, not

a Y.

Now, if you search on I Disk you'll find it, but search on I
Encript
and I

think you'll find it faster.  I gained back about .7 gig by running
it
tonight.  HTH.

Les
On Jun 4, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


I cannot find iDisk in the App Store.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 00:32, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

It deletes unnecessary files from the IPhone. I think they may
have
changed the name to iDisk+ Their are a few more features but it
does
the same as before as well and better.

On 6/3/14, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't think it's back in the App Store. I get notifications
all
the
time to clean up my phone. Also, I just searched

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Jane

It's very true.

I end up being contacted by sighted friends who need help fixing stuff on their 
iDevices. It's kind of scary since I am usually coming to this list or Twitter 
when I get stuck--but I can help others.  And I don't even own an iPhone. But 
the devices are similar enough that I can talk anyone through fixing it, or at 
least through turning VoiceOver on so I can fix it for them. With some of them, 
I have them set tripple-click home so I can turn VO on and off easily. LOL!

Jane


On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Just a personal note here: I have a friend who has got a 5S and she is 
 getting, constantly, in trouble with it. She works in an office with plenty 
 of other people who  have iPhones too! When things go wrong, they try and 
 help out: this usually leads into much more trouble and generally speaking 
 some sort of crash. at This point, she brings it to me. I can always bring 
 the phone back for her. I can always do whatever it is she wanted done in the 
 first place. But here's the rub: my friend and all her co-workers are cited. 
 Their minds, put simply, are  not yet attuned to the idea of smart phones 
 apart, that is, from using the camera. Whereas, I, who need all the phones 
 functionality, appear to be something of a Guru to them! So, the access 
 ability of this platform and these devices is so good that I can actually do 
 better than my  average cited counterpart. I am sure that this is true of 
 most of us here on this list.
 
 Just my thoughts,
 Sandy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 09:38, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I enjoyed reading your response.
 
 Regarding the touchscreen, hand/ear coordination (haptic / auditory) 
 coordination is often difficult for blind people to master. This appears to 
 be because blind people are taught haptic / haptic response coordination. In 
 other words blind people are taught to touch and feel for a tactile 
 response. Sighted people, on the other hand, utilise haptic / visual 
 response. Considering that touchscreen technology is now more expensive than 
 non-touch screen with physical buttons, this interface is, and will 
 continue, replacing the older, haptic rich environment. In fact, for the 
 sighted, in every category / venue studied thus far, directly interactive 
 touchscreen technology kiosks and devices reduce errors from 15%-20% to 
 3%-5%. So, it becomes incumbent upon us blind people to adapt if we wish to 
 continue fully participate in modern society.
 
 As to battery life of the iPhone, if the person were to use the iPhone the 
 way they used to use the Nokia Phone, Windows CE Phone, and/or simple and 
 inexpensive dumb phone with limited accessibility, they would find 
 themselves getting similar levels of battery life. When I switched to my 
 iPhone, I noticed a marked decrease in battery life from 3 or 4 days to just 
 over a day. I wondered about it, so switched back to the previous phone for 
 a week. I took note of what I did and how much time I spent on each system. 
 I then used the iPhone in the same way as the older phone, and got 4 days of 
 battery life. Personally, I prefer using my iPhone as my portable computer. 
 It provides me with unparalleled access across technology sectors.
 
 As for using the phone keypad, when one trains one's muscle memory to the 
 locations of the numbers on the keypad, dialling can and does become 
 significantly quicker. That said, practice is essential.
 
 As for the battery life of certain blindness specific products, I prefer the 
 much increased access and higher technology of the accessible general market 
 hitech solutions. I can do much more for a greatly reduced price. 
 
 As to the frustration of learning yet another interface, in the case of the 
 iPhone, or Android Phones for that matter, it does take longer because, not 
 only is a person learning the interface, each blind individual is having to 
 learn an entirely new way of interacting that he/she was never trained for 
 when initially learning blindness skills. Therefore, the teachers of 
 blindness skills should start teaching haptic/auditory response in order to 
 enable better / more efficient adaptation for the blind into the modern 
 technological world.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:38, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone 
 viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.
 
 My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
 the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by Curtis 
 Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is Not.I was 
 intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite the Apple 
 fanboy of late and I would have a very

Fleksy?

2014-06-05 Thread david gross



Sent from my iPhone
I just downloaded it to my Iphone 4s. How do I use it? For instance in writing 
this?

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Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

2014-06-05 Thread Steve

What is frustrating about this list is the number of inane and one-line 
messages.  You can't necessarily use the archives because you can't tell 
which messages contribute to the topic as opposed to those that are quibbles 
or me-toos.  Secondly, occasionally people still reply to a message while 
hijacking the subject line.


I would really love to find a way to cull through the muck as Jeff suggests.

- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading


Threaded displays of messages are very very helpful in this regard. One 
press of a key or double-tap can delete a hundred messages on a topic that 
is not relevant to you.


teresa

Teresa Cochran
batsfly...@me.com
Facebook

On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:


Just delete what you don't want to read!
It's that simple!


Sent from my iPhone 5s!


On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

You can also set the list to no mail and also look at the archive. I do 
that with several list that I occasionally post to.


Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. 
Feynman


On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
wrote:


So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read
your 10 messages of interest?

I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a 
new

earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding
earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been
exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my 
questions
had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a 
great

resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.

The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions
relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case
with what you're proposing.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading


Hello List Members,

This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream 
of

living without at this point in my life.

However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a 
normal

day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.

This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, 
if
you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content 
from
this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, 
repetitive
beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now 
is,

please write me offline.

My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list 
readers.
Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take 
one

week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what 
constitutes
valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what 
is

valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.

I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.

Warmly,
Jeffrey Turner
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Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading

2014-06-05 Thread Anthony Vece

Hi Steve;

As I said in an earlier post, if a message is annoying just delete.

Anthony


Sent from my iPhone 5s!

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What is frustrating about this list is the number of inane and one-line 
 messages.  You can't necessarily use the archives because you can't tell 
 which messages contribute to the topic as opposed to those that are quibbles 
 or me-toos.  Secondly, occasionally people still reply to a message while 
 hijacking the subject line.
 
 I would really love to find a way to cull through the muck as Jeff suggests.
 
 - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading
 
 
 Threaded displays of messages are very very helpful in this regard. One press 
 of a key or double-tap can delete a hundred messages on a topic that is not 
 relevant to you.
 
 teresa
 
 Teresa Cochran
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 Facebook
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just delete what you don't want to read!
 It's that simple!
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 5s!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 You can also set the list to no mail and also look at the archive. I do 
 that with several list that I occasionally post to.
 
 Teresa
 
 Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. 
 Feynman
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 So why not unsubscribe from the list and simply use the archives to read
 your 10 messages of interest?
 
 I did just this before joining the list when I was in the market for a new
 earpiece. I used the archives to review all previous messages regarding
 earpieces. It was actually kinda cool since all threads had already been
 exhausted, so there was no waiting on subsequent posts. Most of my 
 questions
 had already been asked by others, so the archive turned out to be a great
 resource for me. The archive is also easy to use.
 
 The only problem is that you won't be able to ask specific questions
 relating to a current on-going issue, but this will also not be the case
 with what you're proposing.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Turner jturner...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:06 AM
 Subject: Seeking collaborators on efficient VIPhone list reading
 
 
 Hello List Members,
 
 This list is an extremely valuable asset, and I thank the owners,
 moderators, contributors and readers that make it work. It has been my
 primary tool for learning how to use my iPhone, which I wouldn't dream of
 living without at this point in my life.
 
 However, no matter how well moderated the list is, there are inevitably
 messages filling the list I don't care about. In fact, I'd say on a normal
 day, no more than 10 messages peak my interest.
 
 This message, for example, is not likely to interest many people, but, if
 you are in my boat, and are interested in culling the valuable content from
 this list and weeding out the complaints, opinions, one-liners, repetitive
 beginner questions, and cutting your reading to a quarter of what it now 
 is,
 please write me offline.
 
 My idea is to share the burden among 4 like-minded, committed list readers.
 Rather than reading through each message every day, we would all take one
 week, cull the valuable content, and only forward the good stuff to the
 other three participants. We could discuss ahead of time what constitutes
 valuable content. This being an opinion, not everyone will agree on what is
 valuable, but I'm sure we can work it out.
 
 I hope three people out there will join me and give this a try, and I
 really, really hope this doesn't generate unnecessary list traffic.
 
 Warmly,
 Jeffrey Turner
 jturner...@gmail.com
 
 
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Is SoloDX finished or not?

2014-06-05 Thread Christina C.

I am very confused and I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I 
don't use faceBook or twitter. :)

http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/

http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/

I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The last 
I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to be an 
option for described movies and TV shows.

Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
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Re: re iEncript

It looks to me like process is the label for the button group that says 
fast and safe. As in 'do you want to run the fast or the safe process? This 
is just a guess, though.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:33 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not sure what it does. I ran it the same way as you did. This
 button was not in the previous version.
 
 On 6/5/14, Kathy Brandt katya20...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you supposed to do anything with where it says process? From what I can
 tell you just let it run and occasionally hit done when it says that your
 storage capacity is full and then at the end it tells you how much space it
 cleared up for you, but what does process do? Thanks.
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 10:19 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Keith.  Your response gives me a reason to consider purchasing
 this app.  Have a nice night.
 
 DJ
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: re iEncript
 
 Hello, DJ. It cleans temporary files you no longer need off your iPhone. It
 can free significant space on your iPhone, especially if you have had it
 for
 a while.
 
 On 6/4/14, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Will someone please explain exactly what all this app does as the app
 store discription simply says that it's the new and improved version of
 iClean.
 Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of David
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:18 PM
 To: VIPhone Post
 Subject: re iEncript
 
 HI, just purchased this app, but haven't got a clue how to use it.
 
 Tryed looking on the the developers website, and can't find any help
 guide, and it still talks about the old name for this app, which was
 iClean.
 
 Hope someone can help, as i don't want to mess up my 4s.
 
 Many thanks,
 
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Re: Fleksy?

2014-06-05 Thread Richard Turner

When you open Fleksy, there is a settings button near the top left, double tap 
that and then double tap on gestures-
It explains all the ways to use it.


Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone

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 Sent from my iPhone
 I just downloaded it to my Iphone 4s. How do I use it? For instance in 
 writing this?
 
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Re: IClean

2014-06-05 Thread Alan Paganelli

Yes it can remind you but if I remember right, that's a part of the setup 
once you install the app and use it the first time.


Regards,

Alan

I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being 
ridiculous - everyone

hasn't met me yet.

Please click on:

HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: IClean


does it let you know when it needs to be ran again?



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Hallsworth

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

I think it deletes things under the hood. None of my data has been
deleted in the time I used it.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 16:54, Teresa Cochran wrote:
What exactly does it do? I know it 'cleans' the device, but what is it 
doing when it does that? Does it delete files that are accessible to the 
user, or is it doing something under the hood? I feel a little 
apprehensive about it.


teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:49 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:


I think the ap makes my I devices run faster



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!

-Original Message- From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

Please carry on providing such information and ignore the ones who don't
appreciate it. I appreciated the help very much since it got lost in
translation as it were and I so wanted that app back since it does a
good job on my iPhone 4s.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 15:28, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

I didn't post a link for it when I did the original post because I had
no reason to turn on my computer and do a search for a product that
was already on my phone. I thought people would appreciate knowing
that the app had been updated since it was removed from the store for
so long. The only mistake I made was not giving the right name since
the developer changed it. If people can't appreciate that then I won't
waste my time in the future.

On 6/4/14, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:

Try i encript.
- Original Message -
From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: IClean


still can't find I clean or Ior I disk plus and I put in the plus sign



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing 
to

wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IClean

Got it! I did see a download button instead of an actual price meaning 
I
bought it already. But didn't realize what it was. Cheers! Running it 
now.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 09:18, Les Kriegler wrote:
Okay, I can see why everyone is confused.  The program when you open 
it is


called iDisk Plus, that's with the Plus sign.  However, when I got the
update tonight, it was called i Encript.  Encript has an I in it, not 
a Y.


Now, if you search on I Disk you'll find it, but search on I Encript 
and I


think you'll find it faster.  I gained back about .7 gig by running it
tonight.  HTH.

Les
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christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


I cannot find iDisk in the App Store.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 00:32, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

It deletes unnecessary files from the IPhone. I think they may have
changed the name to iDisk+ Their are a few more features but it does
the same as before as well and better.

On 6/3/14, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it's back in the App Store. I get notifications all 
the
time to clean up my phone. Also, I just searched for it in the 
store

and could not see it.

Sharonda

On 6/3/14, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:

can yu tell me what this ap does please?



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm 
willing


to
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
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From: John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IClean

It

Apple Maps: A Life Hacker Tip -- Set Walking Directions as the Default in Apple Maps

2014-06-05 Thread SSEric

Not everyone needs driving directions all the time, so it's nice that TUAW
reminds us that if you prefer walking directions you can set Apple's Maps to
default to them if you know where to look.

If you'd prefer to get walking directions by default, just head into
Settings  Maps and scroll down to Preferred Directions. Change the
checkbox to Walking and you're all set. If you need to switch back to
driving directions occasionally, you can just tap the arrow in the top left
of the Maps screen to change the direction type.


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Re: Fleksy?

2014-06-05 Thread Alan Lemly

I would suggest you get the Fleksy VO app because I find it much easier to use 
than the Fleksy keyboard app. I know the plan is to only have one Fleksy app 
eventually but until that happens, I find typing much easier with Fleksy VO 
because your swipes can occur anywhere on the screen and not just in the 
keyboard area as required with Fleksy keyboard. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

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 When you open Fleksy, there is a settings button near the top left, double 
 tap that and then double tap on gestures-
 It explains all the ways to use it.
 
 
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
  
 
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 I just downloaded it to my Iphone 4s. How do I use it? For instance in 
 writing this?
 
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Re: Help with mail

2014-06-05 Thread Beverly

I have about 29,000 emails on my iPhone. What is the best way to delete them 
all?


Beverly Hunter
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Re: Help with mail

you could delete the account and then add it again.

HtH,
Teresa

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Re: Help with mail

This may not work if she is using IMap, which might try to re-download all 
the messages again.

Joseph

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you could delete the account and then add it again.

HtH,
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WWDC 2014

For those of you who have an Apple TV, I noticed today that the most recent 
WWDC held this past Monday is an option in the menu of possible items to work 
with, not in the iTunes menu.

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Re: Help with mail

Hi Beverly,

While you get more feedback from the list, give the following link a read:
How to delete ALL mail messages from iPhone/iPad in one step
http://www.conferencesthatwork.com/index.php/technology/2014/01/how-to-delete-all-mail-messages-from-iphoneipad-in-one-step/

Joseph the free tech guy!

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Re: Help with mail

Hmmm, yes, that would be a problem. sorry about that. Yes, you might have to go 
onto the web or use your computer's mail client to delete the messages if you 
are using IMAP. I thought there was a setting in iOS that allows one to turn 
this off temporarily, but I can't be sure.

teresa

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 This may not work if she is using IMap, which might try to re-download all 
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 you could delete the account and then add it again.
 
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can you save POIs in blind square?

2014-06-05 Thread Mark Furness

I lost my Iphone.
This caused me to ask thi question.

Can you save POIs created in BlindSquare? 
If yes, how, so you can put them unto another Iphone?

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Re: can you save POIs in blind square?

2014-06-05 Thread Woody Anna Dresner

Hi,

Yes, the pOIs you save as favorites or ad to My places are backed up 
automatically to iCloud and restored to your new phone without your having to 
do anything. I guess if you don't use iCloud, they're backed up to your 
computer, but that's just a guess.

Best,
Anna



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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I read the article when I first saw the URL show up on various lists. I 
didn't save the URL, but it was easy enough to find with Google. BTW, he 
does include an even longer list of the good things about the iPhone.


The URL to the article is at 
https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm14/bm1406/bm140608.htm


On 6/5/2014 7:57 AM, Paul Ferrara wrote:
David, I understand your concern; if the article is as poor as you 
say, it is disturbing. However, there are plenty of positive things 
out there, word of mouth, etc. So hopefully most people who are 
interested will find much more positive things to counteract the 
negatives in this article. By the way, if anyone has the link to the 
article, post it please so we all can read it and perhaps comment if 
the magazine allows for comments.


Thank you.

Paul

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Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
which the article claims are not good about the device.


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problem in native weather app

2014-06-05 Thread Jessica Barr


Hi all,
For some reason, the temperatures in the weather app are shown in 
Celsius now, instead of Fahrenheit.  How can I change it back to 
Fahrenheit?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Alex Hall

I'm late to this thread, so sorry if this has been covered.

Has this guy never heard of a bluetooth keyboard, Fleksy, iOS8's global 
third-party keyboard support, a braille display, tactile screen protectors, a 
two-finger double tap... I understand that no single person can know 
everything. Still, before pointing out negatives that can easily be overcome, 
do your research, particularly before putting something like this in such a 
major publication! No, the iPhone is not right for everyone, of course, but it 
is right for more people than the article claims. Okay, rant over. Does anyone 
have this guy's contact information? Comments don't seem to be allowed on the 
article, so contacting the writer is the next best thing.
On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I read the article when I first saw the URL show up on various lists. I 
 didn't save the URL, but it was easy enough to find with Google. BTW, he does 
 include an even longer list of the good things about the iPhone.
 
 The URL to the article is at 
 https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm14/bm1406/bm140608.htm
 
 On 6/5/2014 7:57 AM, Paul Ferrara wrote:
 David, I understand your concern; if the article is as poor as you say, it 
 is disturbing. However, there are plenty of positive things out there, word 
 of mouth, etc. So hopefully most people who are interested will find much 
 more positive things to counteract the negatives in this article. By the 
 way, if anyone has the link to the article, post it please so we all can 
 read it and perhaps comment if the magazine allows for comments.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Paul
 
 -Original Message- From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:52 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
 the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
 be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
 not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
 I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
 responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
 most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
 magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
 NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
 However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
 organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
 take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
 recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
 this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
 which the article claims are not good about the device.
 
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

This is true and a good point, but it doesn't apply to those blind 
people who wouldn't be buying those extra devices.


On 6/5/2014 12:20 PM, Victor Gouveia wrote:

David,

I think you should have mentioned, when stating the cost of the iPhone 
is over 600 dollars was to point out that if one were to purchase a 
separate unit to do all of the things the iPhone does for the blind, 
the cost would run well over thousands of dollars, such as the 
Humanware Trekker Breeze, the SARA Scanner or Pearl Camera from 
Freedom Scientific, or the Digital Talking Book Player, such as the 
Humanware Victor Reader or the BookPort/BookSense.


Each of these items perform only one function which is a fragment of 
what the iPhone currently has to offer a blind person, and yet, only 
the cost of the phone is looked at.


All in all, it was a good response to an otherwise pitiful excuse for 
what was supposed to be an unbiased article.




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-Original Message- From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.

My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the 
iPhone

the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by
Curtis Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is
Not.I was intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite
the Apple fanboy of late and I would have a very difficult time in
coming up with a list of ten objections or things which are not good
about the iPhone. In fact, I'm having a very difficult time in coming up
with a list of one or two things which are not good about the iPhone.
However, no product is perfect and I can handle objectively written
product evaluations. Unfortunately, this article was not one of them.
I'm going to reprint each of the objections stated by Mr. Chong in their
entirety, with my comments below each objection.
What Is Not Good About The iPhone
1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option
for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You
need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the 
Internet.

Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home,
he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't
require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer
or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to
pay for some sort of access plan.
2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that
has real, physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's
hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen
protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard
commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been
clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can
use your voice to place a call.
4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate
silently by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people
can successfully operate a touchscreen.
5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it
at least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I've heard from several blind people who got an iPhone because they were 
told it was their only accessible cell phone option or that it was so 
easy to use for a blind person. I've also seen people on lists like this 
saying that any blind person who wants a cell phone should just get an 
iPhone and not bother with the few accessible feature phones that are 
out there. I think there's definitely a pervasive attitude out there 
that the iPhone is the way to go if you're blind and want a cell phone, 
even if you're not going to use the smart phone features. I don't know 
why Curtis Chong wrote this article, but I suspect it was this pervasive 
opinion that he was specifically addressing.


On 6/5/2014 7:34 AM, Ari Moisio wrote:

Hi

Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because 
its Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.





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RE: Help with mail

2014-06-05 Thread Richard Turner

Joseph,
Have you done this with VoiceOver?
When I get to the step that says:
 Press and hold the move button and uncheck the message that you had
checked earlier.
If I press and hold the move button, I don't have a way to uncheck the
message.

Thanks,
Richard


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Hi Beverly,

While you get more feedback from the list, give the following link a read:
How to delete ALL mail messages from iPhone/iPad in one step
http://www.conferencesthatwork.com/index.php/technology/2014/01/how-to-delet
e-all-mail-messages-from-iphoneipad-in-one-step/

Joseph the free tech guy!

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I have about 29,000 emails on my iPhone. What is the best way to delete them
all?

Beverly Hunter
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-05 Thread Alex Hall

Possibly, and I agree that the iPhone isn't for everyone. Some are better off 
with Android, some with a Haven. My point is that what he calls downsides are 
sometimes easily overcome (Fleksy and Braille integration in iOS8) and 
sometimes totally wrong (answering/hanging up is a two-finger double tap, but 
he made it sound horribly difficult).
On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard from several blind people who got an iPhone because they were told 
 it was their only accessible cell phone option or that it was so easy to use 
 for a blind person. I've also seen people on lists like this saying that any 
 blind person who wants a cell phone should just get an iPhone and not bother 
 with the few accessible feature phones that are out there. I think there's 
 definitely a pervasive attitude out there that the iPhone is the way to go if 
 you're blind and want a cell phone, even if you're not going to use the smart 
 phone features. I don't know why Curtis Chong wrote this article, but I 
 suspect it was this pervasive opinion that he was specifically addressing.
 
 On 6/5/2014 7:34 AM, Ari Moisio wrote:
 Hi
 
 Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its 
 Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.
 
 
 
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I've heard this attitude before, too. however, it just seems to me that the 
subject could have been approached differently. Maybe an explanation of smart 
phones in general or describing what the phone does and doesn't do instead of 
generalizing about what blind people are capable of doing or not doing. 
Something to that effect. The tone of the article gets to me on a visceral 
level, but then I'm not good at coping with condescension, or what I perceive 
as condescension.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard from several blind people who got an iPhone because they were told 
 it was their only accessible cell phone option or that it was so easy to use 
 for a blind person. I've also seen people on lists like this saying that any 
 blind person who wants a cell phone should just get an iPhone and not bother 
 with the few accessible feature phones that are out there. I think there's 
 definitely a pervasive attitude out there that the iPhone is the way to go if 
 you're blind and want a cell phone, even if you're not going to use the smart 
 phone features. I don't know why Curtis Chong wrote this article, but I 
 suspect it was this pervasive opinion that he was specifically addressing.
 
 On 6/5/2014 7:34 AM, Ari Moisio wrote:
 Hi
 
 Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its 
 Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.
 
 
 
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Re: problem in native weather app

2014-06-05 Thread Ward Dudley

Should be a button on the botten left corner of the screen to change it 
back.

On 6/5/2014 7:46 PM, Jessica Barr wrote:

Hi all,
For some reason, the temperatures in the weather app are shown in 
Celsius now, instead of Fahrenheit.  How can I change it back to 
Fahrenheit?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.



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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


I bought it for all of those reasons and more.

Andy


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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:34 AM
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Hi

Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its
Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.


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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
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Well, I can't think of anyone who would buy an iPhone just because they 
need a phone.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Ari Moisio
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:00 AM
To: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, 
he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't 
require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or 
device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay 
for some sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works
as a phone without a data plan.

2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can 
dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that 
has real, physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command 
siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's 
hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen 
protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile
layer. Good business, i have to admit.

3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as 
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by 
Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that 
research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using 
the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per 
minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked 
at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, 
composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can 
use your voice to place a call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate
something i can call with same effort.

4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently 
by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering 
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone 
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people 
can successfully operate a touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it 
at least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n 
Speak could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, 
this is a non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's 
USB port and when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours 
before going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that 
service, and turning your screen brightness down to zero percent will do 
a lot to save battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a major 
inconvenience

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