RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

I agree with you 100 percent.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

 

Nice article, Ed, a lot more detailed than the one that says it’s better not to 
close them. I have always been more with the apple Tech and close my apps on a 
fairly regular bases. When I was recently in Calgary at the Apple Store the 
genious I dealt with told me it’s also a good idea to power cycle your iOS 
device at least once a week, in other words, even if it can stay on for weeks 
and maybe months it is a good idea to turn it off once a week, let it sit for 
30 seconds or a minute and then boot it up again. iOS maybe sophisticated and 
Apple may do an awesome job with memory management and so on, but that doesn’t 
mean every developer is equally skilled and doing a great job. Aleeha mentioned 
herself that when Roger had some issue with major battery drain it was 
necessary to manually close the Rogers app and remove it from the app switcher. 
How do we know apps do a perfect job with respect of going into the background 
or into suspended mode? As the guy said, in a perfect world this would all be 
perfect, but in reality it is not.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

 

Hi Aleeha,

This is what you said in your one email quote.

“Essentially, closing an app tells your device that something’s wrong, forcing 
it to try to find another way to do things. After closing apps a lot, your 
phone can become unstable and begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to 
restart or even restore the device.” 

So I don’t know how you can back up this statement. 

You said quote “After closing apps a lot, your phone can become unstable and 
begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to restart or even restore the 
device.” 

So now read this article below that was written by an Apple tech. He states in 
his article he closes his app twice a day. He also said. 

Is It Harmful To Close An App? Absolutely not.

 

Here is his whole article below.

Why Do We Close Out Our Apps?

 

In my article about 

how to save iPhone battery life,

I’ve always said this:

 

block quote

“Once every day or two, it’s a good idea to close out your apps. In a perfect 
world, you would never have to do this and most Apple employees will never

say you should… A lot of battery drain issues occur when an app is supposed to 
close, but doesn’t. Instead, the app crashes in the background and your

iPhone battery beings to drain without you even knowing it.”

block quote end

 

In short, the main reason I recommend closing out your apps is to prevent your 
battery from draining when an app doesn’t enter the background state or

suspended state the way it should. In my article about 

why iPhones get hot,

I liken your iPhone’s CPU (central processing unit; the brains of the 
operation) to a car engine:

 

If you put the pedal to the metal for an extended period of time, the car 
engine overheats and it uses a lot of gas. If an iPhone’s CPU is revved up to

100% for an extended period of time, the iPhone overheats and your battery 
drains quickly.

 

All apps use the CPU on your iPhone. Normally, an app uses a large amount of 
CPU power for a second or two when it opens, and then throttles back to a

lower power mode as you use the app. When an app crashes, the iPhone’s CPU 
often gets stuck at 100%. When you close out your apps, you make sure this 
doesn’t

happen because the app returns to the not running state.

 

Is It Harmful To Close An App?

 

Absolutely not. Unlike many programs on your Mac or PC, iPhone apps don’t wait 
for you to click “Save” before they save your data. Apple’s 

developer documentation

emphasizes the importance of apps being ready to terminate at the drop of a hat:

 

block quote

“Apps must be prepared for termination to happen at any time and should not 
wait to save user data or perform other critical tasks. System-initiated 
termination

is a normal part of an app’s life cycle.”

block quote end

 

When you close an app, it’s OK too:

 

block quote

“In addition to the system terminating your app, the user can terminate your 
app explicitly using the multitasking UI. User-initiated termination has the

same effect as terminating a suspended app.“

block quote end

 

The Argument Against Closing Out iPhone and iPad Apps

 

There is an argument against closing out your apps, and it’s based in fact. 
However, it is based on a very narrow view of the facts. Here’s the long and

short of it:

 

list of 3 items

• It takes more power to open an app from the not running state than it does to 

RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Nice article, Ed, a lot more detailed than the one that says it’s better not to 
close them. I have always been more with the apple Tech and close my apps on a 
fairly regular bases. When I was recently in Calgary at the Apple Store the 
genious I dealt with told me it’s also a good idea to power cycle your iOS 
device at least once a week, in other words, even if it can stay on for weeks 
and maybe months it is a good idea to turn it off once a week, let it sit for 
30 seconds or a minute and then boot it up again. iOS maybe sophisticated and 
Apple may do an awesome job with memory management and so on, but that doesn’t 
mean every developer is equally skilled and doing a great job. Aleeha mentioned 
herself that when Roger had some issue with major battery drain it was 
necessary to manually close the Rogers app and remove it from the app switcher. 
How do we know apps do a perfect job with respect of going into the background 
or into suspended mode? As the guy said, in a perfect world this would all be 
perfect, but in reality it is not.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

Hi Aleeha,
This is what you said in your one email quote.
“Essentially, closing an app tells your device that something’s wrong, forcing 
it to try to find another way to do things. After closing apps a lot, your 
phone can become unstable and begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to 
restart or even restore the device.”
So I don’t know how you can back up this statement.
You said quote “After closing apps a lot, your phone can become unstable and 
begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to restart or even restore the 
device.”
So now read this article below that was written by an Apple tech. He states in 
his article he closes his app twice a day. He also said.
Is It Harmful To Close An App? Absolutely not.

Here is his whole article below.
Why Do We Close Out Our Apps?

In my article about
how to save iPhone battery life,
I’ve always said this:

block quote
“Once every day or two, it’s a good idea to close out your apps. In a perfect 
world, you would never have to do this and most Apple employees will never
say you should… A lot of battery drain issues occur when an app is supposed to 
close, but doesn’t. Instead, the app crashes in the background and your
iPhone battery beings to drain without you even knowing it.”
block quote end

In short, the main reason I recommend closing out your apps is to prevent your 
battery from draining when an app doesn’t enter the background state or
suspended state the way it should. In my article about
why iPhones get hot,
I liken your iPhone’s CPU (central processing unit; the brains of the 
operation) to a car engine:

If you put the pedal to the metal for an extended period of time, the car 
engine overheats and it uses a lot of gas. If an iPhone’s CPU is revved up to
100% for an extended period of time, the iPhone overheats and your battery 
drains quickly.

All apps use the CPU on your iPhone. Normally, an app uses a large amount of 
CPU power for a second or two when it opens, and then throttles back to a
lower power mode as you use the app. When an app crashes, the iPhone’s CPU 
often gets stuck at 100%. When you close out your apps, you make sure this 
doesn’t
happen because the app returns to the not running state.

Is It Harmful To Close An App?

Absolutely not. Unlike many programs on your Mac or PC, iPhone apps don’t wait 
for you to click “Save” before they save your data. Apple’s
developer documentation
emphasizes the importance of apps being ready to terminate at the drop of a hat:

block quote
“Apps must be prepared for termination to happen at any time and should not 
wait to save user data or perform other critical tasks. System-initiated 
termination
is a normal part of an app’s life cycle.”
block quote end

When you close an app, it’s OK too:

block quote
“In addition to the system terminating your app, the user can terminate your 
app explicitly using the multitasking UI. User-initiated termination has the
same effect as terminating a suspended app.“
block quote end

The Argument Against Closing Out iPhone and iPad Apps

There is an argument against closing out your apps, and it’s based in fact. 
However, it is based on a very narrow view of the facts. Here’s the long and
short of it:

list of 3 items
• It takes more power to open an app from the not running state than it does to 
resume it from the background or suspended state. This is absolutely true.
• Apple puts a lot of effort into making sure the iPhone operating system 
manages memory efficiently, which minimizes the amount of battery apps use when
they remain in the background or suspended state. This is also true.
• You are wasting battery life if you close out your apps because it takes more 
power 

RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Aleeha,

This is what you said in your one email quote.

“Essentially, closing an app tells your device that something’s wrong, forcing 
it to try to find another way to do things. After closing apps a lot, your 
phone can become unstable and begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to 
restart or even restore the device.” 

So I don’t know how you can back up this statement. 

You said quote “After closing apps a lot, your phone can become unstable and 
begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to restart or even restore the 
device.” 

So now read this article below that was written by an Apple tech. He states in 
his article he closes his app twice a day. He also said. 

Is It Harmful To Close An App? Absolutely not.

 

Here is his whole article below.

Why Do We Close Out Our Apps?

 

In my article about 

how to save iPhone battery life,

I’ve always said this:

 

block quote

“Once every day or two, it’s a good idea to close out your apps. In a perfect 
world, you would never have to do this and most Apple employees will never

say you should… A lot of battery drain issues occur when an app is supposed to 
close, but doesn’t. Instead, the app crashes in the background and your

iPhone battery beings to drain without you even knowing it.”

block quote end

 

In short, the main reason I recommend closing out your apps is to prevent your 
battery from draining when an app doesn’t enter the background state or

suspended state the way it should. In my article about 

why iPhones get hot,

I liken your iPhone’s CPU (central processing unit; the brains of the 
operation) to a car engine:

 

If you put the pedal to the metal for an extended period of time, the car 
engine overheats and it uses a lot of gas. If an iPhone’s CPU is revved up to

100% for an extended period of time, the iPhone overheats and your battery 
drains quickly.

 

All apps use the CPU on your iPhone. Normally, an app uses a large amount of 
CPU power for a second or two when it opens, and then throttles back to a

lower power mode as you use the app. When an app crashes, the iPhone’s CPU 
often gets stuck at 100%. When you close out your apps, you make sure this 
doesn’t

happen because the app returns to the not running state.

 

Is It Harmful To Close An App?

 

Absolutely not. Unlike many programs on your Mac or PC, iPhone apps don’t wait 
for you to click “Save” before they save your data. Apple’s 

developer documentation

emphasizes the importance of apps being ready to terminate at the drop of a hat:

 

block quote

“Apps must be prepared for termination to happen at any time and should not 
wait to save user data or perform other critical tasks. System-initiated 
termination

is a normal part of an app’s life cycle.”

block quote end

 

When you close an app, it’s OK too:

 

block quote

“In addition to the system terminating your app, the user can terminate your 
app explicitly using the multitasking UI. User-initiated termination has the

same effect as terminating a suspended app.“

block quote end

 

The Argument Against Closing Out iPhone and iPad Apps

 

There is an argument against closing out your apps, and it’s based in fact. 
However, it is based on a very narrow view of the facts. Here’s the long and

short of it:

 

list of 3 items

• It takes more power to open an app from the not running state than it does to 
resume it from the background or suspended state. This is absolutely true.

• Apple puts a lot of effort into making sure the iPhone operating system 
manages memory efficiently, which minimizes the amount of battery apps use when

they remain in the background or suspended state. This is also true.

• You are wasting battery life if you close out your apps because it takes more 
power to open iPhone apps from scratch than the operating system uses to

resume them from the background and suspended state. Sometimes true.

list end

 

Let’s Look At The Numbers

 

Developers often use CPU time to measure how much effort an iPhone has expend 
to accomplish tasks, because it can have a direct impact on battery life.

I used an Apple developer tool called Instruments to measure the impact of 
several apps on my iPhone’s CPU.

 

Facebook App XCode Instruments

 

Let’s use the Facebook app as an example:

 

list of 4 items

• Opening the Facebook app from the not running state uses about 3.3 seconds of 
CPU time.

• Closing any app wipes it from memory returns it to the not running state and 
uses virtually no CPU time – let’s say .1 seconds.

• Pressing the Home button sends the Facebook app to the background state and 
uses about .6 seconds of CPU time.

• Resuming the Facebook app from the background state uses about .3 seconds of 
CPU time.

list end

 

Therefore, if you open the Facebook app from the not running state (3.3), close 
it (.1), and open it again from the not running state (3.3), it uses 6.7 seconds

of CPU time. If you open the Facebook app from the not running state, 

RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I installed iTunes on one of my Windows 7 desktops at work today, but I forgot 
to bring a Lightning cable so I couldn't connect my phone. However, just from 
looking at the library section, Windows 7 with Jaws 18 and the latest version 
of iTunes behaves exactly the same in the column browser list views as that 
combination does with Windows 10, I still have to do the screen refresh for 
Jaws to read any of the content in the genre, artist and album list views and 
Jaws still says something "Description L1" with each item. My guess is that I 
will have no more success with a phone connected when it comes to transferring 
selected ringtones or apps and whoever that guy at Apple was who said it was 
because of Windows he just didn't know what he was talking about. As a "loyal" 
Apple employee he probably just didn't want to say that Apple could possibly 
not be perfect. I really think 500 or 600 list members should al phoen Apple 
Accessibility and ask why iTunes on a PC is so horrible and ask to have this 
fixed, maybe then Apple would take note. Preferably everybody should make a 
habit out of it and call and ask how this was coming once a month.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello Ari,

Very well done, to demonstrate all these issues with multiple screen readers 
and educate the Apple Accessibility representative! It would be very 
interesting to know whether Windows 7 users are having the same problems. I 
find it hard to believe that the problem is completely due to changes in 
Windows because some parts of iTunes are fully accessible in Windows 10, while 
others are not. But the better defined the problem is, the more likely it is 
that someone will try to solve it.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 22, 2016, at 10:51 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I was just on the phone with Apple Accessibility yesterday to talk with them 
> about the problems for screen reader users when trying to sync music to an 
> iDevice with the sync selected artists, albums, and playlists method. The 
> issue is that no screen reader I've tried (the latest version of NVDA, JAWS 
> 17, and even Narrator) on my Windows 10 machine will read anything in these 
> lists. I haven't yet tried (I think it was Marc's suggestion) of using the 
> refresh screen feature of JAWS to try to get things reading with it. NVDA's 
> text and object review commands don't make it possible to read anything, 
> either. The reason I haven't yet tried JAWS 18 is that I only recently 
> received my SMA update to version 18, and I haven't yet had a chance to 
> install it. I'll report back with more news when I've installed JAWS 18 and 
> tried the screen refresh command. By the way, I did all the tests of the 
> screen readers mentioned above when the rep was on the phone with me. He said 
> that the issue was with Microsoft. I specifically asked him if anything had 
> changed in the latest versions of iTunes 12 in terms of the way they 
> programed those lists (after all, the lists of the column browser work fine 
> in the main music library) and he said that as far as he knew, nothing had 
> changed except the way things were arranged in the program, not the 
> underlying structure of the way things were made in the program,. I told him 
> it'd be interesting to see if blind users of the latest iTunes and Windows 7 
> were haveing the same issues. A friend of mine is running Windows 8 or 8.1. 
> I'll have to check if she's having the same issues I'm having. She's also 
> running NVDA. I want to see if this is really a Microsoft issues with not 
> presenting things well in Windows 10 to any screen readers' or if the issue 
> is with iTunes.
> 
> Lol the Apple Accessibility rep had the idea that all Windows screen readers 
> were rather limited, and could only perform the "basics," as he put it. I 
> couldn't let that slide, and set him straight on that. I must say, he was 
> rather surprised. I wonder if that was just his Mac bias or Apple propaganda 
> talking. Either way, he needed to know that not only were Windows screen 
> readers very capable, but that I was a capable user of two of them, so that 
> he knew I wasn't just spouting Windows screen readers are better than 
> VoiceOver on Mac.
> 
> Anyway, just thought I'd tell you all about the issues I'm having, and that I 
> spoke to Apple about them, and that I'm going to do some testing. It'd be 
> really useful if people running Windows 7 and the latest version of iTunes 12 
> could see if they're having the same issues I am' so I i can keep a useful 
> dialogue going with Apple, and possibly start one with Microsoft. Sorry if 
> any of this has been a bit nonsensicle; it's rather early here, and I'm not 
> propperly awake yet. I just 

Re: Overdrive app and pop up

[Marie]

Thanks for the info regarding the picker item at the bottom of the screen. 
This did the trick and all is working. I might have dragged this out of my 
memory but had forgotten this technique long ago. Thanks again.


-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Schmidt

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Overdrive app and pop up

I  know nothing about this app, somebody has already said that you can get 
to what you want without using a pop up. If indeed it is a pop up,  one of 
those that continues to say pop up button,  no matter how many times you 
double tap it, after having double tapped it, touch the bottom right hand 
corner of the screen, but up just a little bit, and see if it says picker 
item. Most picker items work as they should now, but I occasionally still 
have to use this work around that I discovered during one of the updates 
when a lot of them didn't work.


Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Nov 22, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Marie  wrote:

I have used the Overdrive program on my PC for a long time and like you, I 
love it. With the IPhone app, the problem is this. I have a card for the 
Phoenix library but they want to know which branch library your card is on. 
I did not have the app downloaded to this phone before but the Main library 
was already set up. But it wants me to re-sign in with the card number and 
the name of the city where my library is located. The list of cities is 
accessed by a pop-up and I can't seem to activate it. I may need to get my 
sister to do it for me if I don't find the solution.
I do have the Overdrive account so I can add other libraries. Their 
selection of audio books is almost as good as Audible.com.


-Original Message- From: M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Overdrive app and pop up

Hello Marie,

As a huge fan of the Over Drive, app, I am delighted that you have decided 
to give it a try.  I use this app, every single day, to listen to audio 
books.


Now it just so happens that 4 days ago, I added a new library to my app.

1.
From within the app, select the Main Menu button.  A list of choices will 

appear.

2.
Select Add a Library.

Enter the name of the Library, the city in which it is located (for example, 
Santa Monica), or its zip code in the edit field and then single-finger, 
double-tap the Search button.  A results list will appear from which you may 
select.  You may also use the Browse Libraries, button.  In either scenario, 
there is no pop-up button upon which you need to act.


Make certain that you have the latest version of iOS and the latest version 
of Over Drive installed on your iPhone.


Finally, for the best experience, I suggest that you create an actual Over 
Drive account in addition to signing into individual libraries via a library 
card and PIN.


Good Luck,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Marie

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overdrive app and pop up

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where 
you need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the 
list. Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?

Thanks

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RE: preparing a phone to give away

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Lastly, keep in mind that even Resetting your phone back to factory settings 
will not remove it from your account. If you log in to your Apple account on a 
computer or go to View your Account on a new iOS device and got o Manage 
Devices your or in this case her 5S will still show up but there is an option 
there to remove it. Also, if she, for example, uses Dropbox and has installed 
Drobox on her phone, the phone will continue to be listed as a trusted device 
if she signs in to her Dropbox account online. I don't really think it's a big 
deal, but every so often when I get a new phone I log into my Dropbox account 
and remove any old devices which may be listed.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: preparing a phone to give away

Hi,

turn off find my iPhone then settings > general > reset > erase all content and 
settings. That's all you need to do.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/23/16, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>   Sign out of ICloud, deactivate Find my iPhone and Restore to 
> default, wiping away the whole phone. Good luck!
>
> El 22/11/2016 08:54 p.m., Gordon escribió:
>> I know this has probably been discussed but I don't have a lot of 
>> time to go find the messages. My GF is giving her old iPhone 5s away 
>> to a friend. So I'm wondering what all we need to do to prepare it to 
>> start fresh for her friend. I know you sign out of iMessage, face 
>> time and iCloud prior to resetting the phone. Is this all we need to 
>> do before we reset it or is there anything else left to do?
>>
>
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> Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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Looking for accessible stickers

[Maria Reyes]

Hi all! My name is Maria. I am wondering if anyone knows of any accessible 
stickers for iMessage? I have the iMore sticker pack and a cookie monster pack. 


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Re: preparing a phone to give away

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

turn off find my iPhone then settings > general > reset > erase all
content and settings. That's all you need to do.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/23/16, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>   Sign out of ICloud, deactivate Find my iPhone and Restore to default,
> wiping away the whole phone. Good luck!
>
> El 22/11/2016 08:54 p.m., Gordon escribió:
>> I know this has probably been discussed but I don't have a lot of time
>> to go find the messages. My GF is giving her old iPhone 5s away to a
>> friend. So I'm wondering what all we need to do to prepare it to start
>> fresh for her friend. I know you sign out of iMessage, face time and
>> iCloud prior to resetting the phone. Is this all we need to do before
>> we reset it or is there anything else left to do?
>>
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Re: preparing a phone to give away

[Gerardo Corripio]

 Sign out of ICloud, deactivate Find my iPhone and Restore to default, 
wiping away the whole phone. Good luck!


El 22/11/2016 08:54 p.m., Gordon escribió:
I know this has probably been discussed but I don't have a lot of time 
to go find the messages. My GF is giving her old iPhone 5s away to a 
friend. So I'm wondering what all we need to do to prepare it to start 
fresh for her friend. I know you sign out of iMessage, face time and 
iCloud prior to resetting the phone. Is this all we need to do before 
we reset it or is there anything else left to do?




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visual voicemail

[Billy Maynard]

hi everyone,
on another topic about consumer celular they talked about not having visual 
voicemail.  but, another member said that you  still have your voicemails on 
your phone.  I was just wondering the differences it these. I'm on Verizon 
and I have a tab in the phone ap at the bottom called voicemail  I 
double-tap it and it lets me into my voicemails, greeting etc.  I was just 
curious how the consumer celular experience would be different since they 
sound similar.


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Re: preparing a phone to give away

[Ryan Mann]

If I was her I would connect her phone to a computer with iTunes and back it 
up.  Even if she thinks she doesn't need anything on it, it's better to be 
safe.  Also, turn off Find My iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

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> wondering what all we need to do to prepare it to start fresh for her friend. 
> I know you sign out of iMessage, face time and iCloud prior to resetting the 
> phone. Is this all we need to do before we reset it or is there anything else 
> left to do?
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Re: Sent messages

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you switched to IMAP then the messages you will start sending after 
you change your settings will start showing up on all of your devices. 
The messages you currently have on your device that was running POP will 
not show up across AL of your devices unless you copy those messages 
into an IMAP folder.


On 22/11/16 11:57, 'simon' via VIPhone wrote:

Hi I found the imap settings for yahoo, but I am still not finding the
messages I send through the computer on my iphone.

-Original Message- From: Simon w
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sent messages

Hi I have trouble navigating the yahoo site with a screen reader.

On Sun, 11/20/16, Simon w  wrote:

Subject: Re: Sent messages
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Received: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 5:02 AM

I don't know, how do
I find out. Because I have it set on the computer as pop.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Rajmund


wrote:


Hello,
But POP or IMAP?



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original

Message -

From: 'simon w'

via VIPhone  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:26 am
Subject: Re: Sent messages




I'm

using yahoo with windows live mail.





-Original Message- From: Rajmund


Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:49 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sent messages

Hello,
I use both POP and IMAP, and

regardless of what I send from, for example

this braille sense, using POP, my IMAP

devices will show the messages that

were sent off the u2, so since they

upload it to the server.




Sent from a Braille Sense

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Sieghard Weitzel  

To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"



Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:35

pm

Subject: RE: Sent messages




Hi

Simon,


What email service do you use? You

must be using IMAP, Exchange Active

Sync (that is Outlook.com) or full

Exchange (typically used by businesses)

for your mail to sync across

devices.

Even gmail and

Outlook.com accounts can still be set up as POP accounts

and this service does not support

Sent messages syncing across devices or

features where if you reply to a

message say on your computer it will also

show as replied to on your iPhone

with the reply associated to the message

etc.




Regards,
Sieghard



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From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016

4:13 AM

To: CISG 
Subject: Sent messages

Hi,

how come when I send a message through my computer it
doesn't appear

in the sent

messages on my iPhone?


Sent from my iPhone

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[Gordon]

I know this has probably been discussed but I don't have a lot of time 
to go find the messages. My GF is giving her old iPhone 5s away to a 
friend. So I'm wondering what all we need to do to prepare it to start 
fresh for her friend. I know you sign out of iMessage, face time and 
iCloud prior to resetting the phone. Is this all we need to do before we 
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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Pablo,
That's why I said in my emails it depends on how much talk, text, and data you 
need. So if you use a ton of data and talk you might be better where you are. 
You would have to look at exactly how much you are really using. I think for 
most people they are not really using that much data and talk and they would be 
better on Consumer Cellular. But in your case you use a ton of resources so it 
might not work as well for you.
Have a good day.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Mr. Ed,
My apology,
I didn't see your previous email about this topic. Now I understand all of this 
much better. I called to this company, and they gave me the following 
information. For unlimited minutes, unlimited text messages, and 4gb of data, 
is $90. I don't need unlimited text messages, but I need unlimited minutes, and 
sometimes I need to work on the bus, or traveling, so I use a lot of data. $90 
is cheaper than almost all other companies, but  I just wanted to highlight the 
cost of the data. This kind of plans are good for the most people, but in my 
case could be more expensive than AT right now. We have a family plan, and 
everyone is paying $35 per month, and we share 15gb between 6  phones. I use 
the most part . Ha!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Pablo,
Like I said in my previous email on this subject Consumer Cellular is own by A 
T & T, so you will have the same single strength as being on A T & T. I believe 
4 gig of data on Consumer Cellular is $40.00 and 1000  minutes of talk time is 
$20.00. That is the nice thing about Consumer Cellular is you choose how many 
minutes and data you want. If say you choose 4 gig of data and you only use 1.5 
gig of data you can lower it down to 1.5 gig right at the end of the billing 
cycle and save you self $20.00. Like myself I chose 500 mb and say I would use 
1.5 gig they would move me up to that level after I go over the 500 mb. So say 
the next month I see I am only going to use 400 mb I would change it back to 
500 mb and save $5 or $ 10 bucks depending on where it was before I moved it 
back to where I want it. If you do not understand all this you really don't 
have to worry about it as they adjust your plan according to how much you use. 
You will get an email telling you if you are getting close to the amount you 
have chosen. 
I think if you are with any of the big carriers and you move to Consumer 
Cellular you will cut your bill in half or less. Also since your bill is a lot 
cheaper you can buy your iPhone from them if you like and make payments for it 
and your bill will still be lower than the big carriers. 
Give them a call at  (888) 345-5509  and they can explain it all to you. I will 
bet you will find it a lot cheaper than the big carriers. What do you have to 
lose by calling them and asking your questions. 
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ What 
about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch 

Re: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Aleeha Dudley]

It does say it will not help. If you read toward the end of the article, you 
will see this: 

On both Android and iOS, algorithms run memory management. They’ll close apps 
that need to be closed, typically ones that have been dormant for a while or 
are using more power or memory than they should. And they’re very good at 
knowing when you’re going to need data, or want a refresh, or open an app 
again. Apps that are already in memory open quickly, rather than having to 
fully start again; it’s like waking your computer from sleep rather than 
rebooting it completely. You’re far, far better off letting the system work for 
you rather than forcing it to re-open and re-start everything every time. 
Battery questions aside, it makes your phone slower and less coherent.. 

The rest of what I said comes from someone who works closely with Apple 
products on a daily basis. Also, you want reputable? Despite the fact that all 
the major Mac and tech sites, like Wired, Lifehacker, 9 to 5 mac, Apple 
insider, etc, all, have, articles like this, do some simple searching and you 
will find a nicely done 9 to 5 mac article with screenshots of emails with 
verified message headers that are directly from Apple itself stating such 
facts. Time magazine published a similar article, as did other, non-rumor based 
sites. So, believe me or not, there you have it.


> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> I find this hard to believe that closing an app in the app switcher is going 
> to create problems. I will have to hear this from a good reliable  source 
> before I believe this. I think closing an app is just like closing it on the 
> pc. It has no effect. In fact it might run better as it clear all the junk 
> out and the app a lot of times works better after closing it in the app 
> switcher and reopening it. This is what you said, “please, please, please 
> read this article, closing your apps is a very, very unhelpful thing to do.” 
> Now you need to go back an read the article on the link you posted. It said 
> closing an app does not help battery life. I did not see where it said 
> anything about closing an app could be harmful.
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
> Mr. Ed
>   <>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm
>  
> Hi, 
> Just a couple of things here. First, is that screen curtain on its own will 
> not help your battery. You must turn the brightness down to help in any way. 
> Second, charging at higher levels does not affect your battery like it used 
> to be rumored to. Third, and please, please, please read this article, 
> closing your apps is a very, very unhelpful thing to do. It will not save 
> battery and is not recommended (except for that one nasty time when Roger 
> decided to eat your battery like a picnic lunch). Read this article and be 
> informed. 
>  
>  
> https://www.wired.com/2016/03/closing-apps-save-battery-makes-things-worse/ 
> 
> Essentially, closing an app tells your device that something’s wrong, forcing 
> it to try to find another way to do things. After closing apps a lot, your 
> phone can become unstable and begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to 
> restart or even restore the device. 
> HTH,
> Aleeha 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Tony > 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> From what I have read and experienced with lithium batteries charging habits 
>> don't have much effect on them.  Depending on brand and the care in 
>> manufacturing most batteries can be nearly completely discharged and then 
>> fully recharged from 300 to 1000 times.  Warranties are usually calculated 
>> at about 300 times but I have seen some as low as 100 cycles.
>> 
>> The life of a battery is not based on the number of times you charge it but 
>> on the total amount of current you use out of the battery.  Any time you 
>> have a charger plugged in the battery's life is not being shortened because 
>> nearly all of the power used is provided by the charger and not by the 
>> battery.
>> 
>> The only reason for frequently charging a battery is in case you may run it 
>> down before you are able to recharge it again.
>> 
>> Batteries, and the equipment they are used in, have been developed to the 
>> point they pretty much protect themselves from over charging and over 
>> heating.  They will quit working rather than become damaged.  While other 
>> types of batteries could become hot enough to blister your sking or leak 
>> some unpleasant chemical, lithium batteries can fail by catching on fire.  
>> That is why so much effort and money has been invested 

RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi Mr. Ed,
My apology,
I didn't see your previous email about this topic. Now I understand all of this 
much better. I called to this company, and they gave me the following 
information. For unlimited minutes, unlimited text messages, and 4gb of data, 
is $90. I don't need unlimited text messages, but I need unlimited minutes, and 
sometimes I need to work on the bus, or traveling, so I use a lot of data. $90 
is cheaper than almost all other companies, but  I just wanted to highlight the 
cost of the data. This kind of plans are good for the most people, but in my 
case could be more expensive than AT right now. We have a family plan, and 
everyone is paying $35 per month, and we share 15gb between 6  phones. I use 
the most part . Ha!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Pablo,
Like I said in my previous email on this subject Consumer Cellular is own by A 
T & T, so you will have the same single strength as being on A T & T. I believe 
4 gig of data on Consumer Cellular is $40.00 and 1000  minutes of talk time is 
$20.00. That is the nice thing about Consumer Cellular is you choose how many 
minutes and data you want. If say you choose 4 gig of data and you only use 1.5 
gig of data you can lower it down to 1.5 gig right at the end of the billing 
cycle and save you self $20.00. Like myself I chose 500 mb and say I would use 
1.5 gig they would move me up to that level after I go over the 500 mb. So say 
the next month I see I am only going to use 400 mb I would change it back to 
500 mb and save $5 or $ 10 bucks depending on where it was before I moved it 
back to where I want it. If you do not understand all this you really don't 
have to worry about it as they adjust your plan according to how much you use. 
You will get an email telling you if you are getting close to the amount you 
have chosen. 
I think if you are with any of the big carriers and you move to Consumer 
Cellular you will cut your bill in half or less. Also since your bill is a lot 
cheaper you can buy your iPhone from them if you like and make payments for it 
and your bill will still be lower than the big carriers. 
Give them a call at  (888) 345-5509  and they can explain it all to you. I will 
bet you will find it a lot cheaper than the big carriers. What do you have to 
lose by calling them and asking your questions. 
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ What 
about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number 

RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Pablo C. Morales]

No really, I talked to this company, and for unlimited minutes, unlimited text 
messages, and 4GB of data was around $90  If I add one more phone in the plan, 
it cost $10 aditional, but I will need to share the 4Gb with 2 phones.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  > wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  > 
wrote:

Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Mr. Ed]

I find this hard to believe that closing an app in the app switcher is going to 
create problems. I will have to hear this from a good reliable  source before I 
believe this. I think closing an app is just like closing it on the pc. It has 
no effect. In fact it might run better as it clear all the junk out and the app 
a lot of times works better after closing it in the app switcher and reopening 
it. This is what you said, “please, please, please read this article, closing 
your apps is a very, very unhelpful thing to do.” Now you need to go back an 
read the article on the link you posted. It said closing an app does not help 
battery life. I did not see where it said anything about closing an app could 
be harmful.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

 

Hi, 

Just a couple of things here. First, is that screen curtain on its own will not 
help your battery. You must turn the brightness down to help in any way. 
Second, charging at higher levels does not affect your battery like it used to 
be rumored to. Third, and please, please, please read this article, closing 
your apps is a very, very unhelpful thing to do. It will not save battery and 
is not recommended (except for that one nasty time when Roger decided to eat 
your battery like a picnic lunch). Read this article and be informed. 

 

 

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/closing-apps-save-battery-makes-things-worse/

Essentially, closing an app tells your device that something’s wrong, forcing 
it to try to find another way to do things. After closing apps a lot, your 
phone can become unstable and begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to 
restart or even restore the device. 

HTH,

Aleeha 

On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Tony  wrote:

 

>From what I have read and experienced with lithium batteries charging habits 
>don't have much effect on them.  Depending on brand and the care in 
>manufacturing most batteries can be nearly completely discharged and then 
>fully recharged from 300 to 1000 times.  Warranties are usually calculated at 
>about 300 times but I have seen some as low as 100 cycles.

The life of a battery is not based on the number of times you charge it but on 
the total amount of current you use out of the battery.  Any time you have a 
charger plugged in the battery's life is not being shortened because nearly all 
of the power used is provided by the charger and not by the battery.

The only reason for frequently charging a battery is in case you may run it 
down before you are able to recharge it again.

Batteries, and the equipment they are used in, have been developed to the point 
they pretty much protect themselves from over charging and over heating.  They 
will quit working rather than become damaged.  While other types of batteries 
could become hot enough to blister your sking or leak some unpleasant chemical, 
lithium batteries can fail by catching on fire.  That is why so much effort and 
money has been invested in battery safety.  Considering how many billions have 
been made, and how much users demand they be more powerful, the number of 
serious battery failures is continuing to decrease.

Tony


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

Hi Terri,

According to Popular Mechanics and Battery University, charging patterns have 
little to no effect on battery life in today's modern phones (they used to with 
other types of batteries), so no, when you decide to charge has no effect on 
how long your battery will last.

As for things you can do to make the battery go longer between charges, you can 
turn off the display (or actually I mean turn down the brightness of the 
display).  Turn off automatic  brightness, the manually set the display to a 
very low brightness level.  This means you will manually have to turn it back 
up if you want to show a sighted person something.  Using the Voice Over 
curtain feature is not the same, and does not save any battery.

As for the phone getting warm, I think this is just lack of cooling air 
circulating around it; especially as you describe it slipping down in the 
chair, but the bed is also a good insulator, even on one side.  If it's plugged 
in when you feel it getting warm, I'd say this is normal.

Sometimes my phone gets warm even when not plugged in, but that's when I'm 
using it a lot by talking or otherwise causing it to transmit (typing in texts, 
emails, other transmissions).

I would think you could still by a battery case for your phone, certainly you 
can just buy an external battery to plug it 

Re: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
Just a couple of things here. First, is that screen curtain on its own will not 
help your battery. You must turn the brightness down to help in any way. 
Second, charging at higher levels does not affect your battery like it used to 
be rumored to. Third, and please, please, please read this article, closing 
your apps is a very, very unhelpful thing to do. It will not save battery and 
is not recommended (except for that one nasty time when Roger decided to eat 
your battery like a picnic lunch). Read this article and be informed. 
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/closing-apps-save-battery-makes-things-worse/ 

Essentially, closing an app tells your device that something’s wrong, forcing 
it to try to find another way to do things. After closing apps a lot, your 
phone can become unstable and begin behaving oddly, causing the necessity to 
restart or even restore the device. 
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Tony  wrote:
> 
> From what I have read and experienced with lithium batteries charging habits 
> don't have much effect on them.  Depending on brand and the care in 
> manufacturing most batteries can be nearly completely discharged and then 
> fully recharged from 300 to 1000 times.  Warranties are usually calculated at 
> about 300 times but I have seen some as low as 100 cycles.
> 
> The life of a battery is not based on the number of times you charge it but 
> on the total amount of current you use out of the battery.  Any time you have 
> a charger plugged in the battery's life is not being shortened because nearly 
> all of the power used is provided by the charger and not by the battery.
> 
> The only reason for frequently charging a battery is in case you may run it 
> down before you are able to recharge it again.
> 
> Batteries, and the equipment they are used in, have been developed to the 
> point they pretty much protect themselves from over charging and over 
> heating.  They will quit working rather than become damaged.  While other 
> types of batteries could become hot enough to blister your sking or leak some 
> unpleasant chemical, lithium batteries can fail by catching on fire.  That is 
> why so much effort and money has been invested in battery safety.  
> Considering how many billions have been made, and how much users demand they 
> be more powerful, the number of serious battery failures is continuing to 
> decrease.
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm
> 
> Hi Terri,
> 
> According to Popular Mechanics and Battery University, charging patterns have 
> little to no effect on battery life in today's modern phones (they used to 
> with other types of batteries), so no, when you decide to charge has no 
> effect on how long your battery will last.
> 
> As for things you can do to make the battery go longer between charges, you 
> can turn off the display (or actually I mean turn down the brightness of the 
> display).  Turn off automatic  brightness, the manually set the display to a 
> very low brightness level.  This means you will manually have to turn it back 
> up if you want to show a sighted person something.  Using the Voice Over 
> curtain feature is not the same, and does not save any battery.
> 
> As for the phone getting warm, I think this is just lack of cooling air 
> circulating around it; especially as you describe it slipping down in the 
> chair, but the bed is also a good insulator, even on one side.  If it's 
> plugged in when you feel it getting warm, I'd say this is normal.
> 
> Sometimes my phone gets warm even when not plugged in, but that's when I'm 
> using it a lot by talking or otherwise causing it to transmit (typing in 
> texts, emails, other transmissions).
> 
> I would think you could still by a battery case for your phone, certainly you 
> can just buy an external battery to plug it into for charging.
> 
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I have a few questions here. I am hoping someone can give me some thoughts, 
> or advice.
> 
> 
> First of all, my phone is up to date. I have the 5S. I can upgrade by 
> February, but I don't know if I will. I am paying for this phone monthly.
> 
> 
> Anyway, I have been noticing that sometimes my batter runs down faster. 
> I am on my phone quite a lot some days, more than other days. Not always 
> making calls, but checking out Facebook, and maybe commenting on posts, 
> or 

RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Tony]

>From what I have read and experienced with lithium batteries charging habits 
>don't have much effect on them.  Depending on brand and the care in 
>manufacturing most batteries can be nearly completely discharged and then 
>fully recharged from 300 to 1000 times.  Warranties are usually calculated at 
>about 300 times but I have seen some as low as 100 cycles.

The life of a battery is not based on the number of times you charge it but on 
the total amount of current you use out of the battery.  Any time you have a 
charger plugged in the battery's life is not being shortened because nearly all 
of the power used is provided by the charger and not by the battery.

The only reason for frequently charging a battery is in case you may run it 
down before you are able to recharge it again.

Batteries, and the equipment they are used in, have been developed to the point 
they pretty much protect themselves from over charging and over heating.  They 
will quit working rather than become damaged.  While other types of batteries 
could become hot enough to blister your sking or leak some unpleasant chemical, 
lithium batteries can fail by catching on fire.  That is why so much effort and 
money has been invested in battery safety.  Considering how many billions have 
been made, and how much users demand they be more powerful, the number of 
serious battery failures is continuing to decrease.

Tony


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

Hi Terri,

According to Popular Mechanics and Battery University, charging patterns have 
little to no effect on battery life in today's modern phones (they used to with 
other types of batteries), so no, when you decide to charge has no effect on 
how long your battery will last.

As for things you can do to make the battery go longer between charges, you can 
turn off the display (or actually I mean turn down the brightness of the 
display).  Turn off automatic  brightness, the manually set the display to a 
very low brightness level.  This means you will manually have to turn it back 
up if you want to show a sighted person something.  Using the Voice Over 
curtain feature is not the same, and does not save any battery.

As for the phone getting warm, I think this is just lack of cooling air 
circulating around it; especially as you describe it slipping down in the 
chair, but the bed is also a good insulator, even on one side.  If it's plugged 
in when you feel it getting warm, I'd say this is normal.

Sometimes my phone gets warm even when not plugged in, but that's when I'm 
using it a lot by talking or otherwise causing it to transmit (typing in texts, 
emails, other transmissions).

I would think you could still by a battery case for your phone, certainly you 
can just buy an external battery to plug it into for charging.


Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

Hello everyone,


I have a few questions here. I am hoping someone can give me some thoughts, or 
advice.


First of all, my phone is up to date. I have the 5S. I can upgrade by 
February, but I don't know if I will. I am paying for this phone monthly.


Anyway, I have been noticing that sometimes my batter runs down faster. 
I am on my phone quite a lot some days, more than other days. Not always 
making calls, but checking out Facebook, and maybe commenting on posts, 
or making posts. Checking my email, or maybe writing some emails. 
Playing Farkle. Maybe reading a news story, and definitely texting! 
That's certainly the biggest thing. I do this all over WIFI.

Every once in a while, I may play a video of some sort. But I use my 
Ipad for most of this.


I don't know what causes more battery useage than other things. I am 
getting better at closing Apps if I am not using them.


My biggest problem, is that I don't let my phone die, or completely run 
down, before charging it. I have heard this can be a bad thing. I will 
usually let it get to 40 percent, and then charge it. Sometimes 20 
percent, if I am still wanting to finish up something quickly.


So, are there things I could possibly change, to help save battery life?

How low should my battery life really get, before charging my phone?

I do not care for the low power mode. So I choose not to use it.


Also, are there affordable battery packs, or anything like that, still 
available for the 5S?


Now to my next question, and something that is concerning me more.


About 3 times so far, in the last week, I have found that my phone gets 
pretty warm. I don't know why this is happening, or what could be 
causing it.

RE: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Chip Orange]

Hi Terri,

According to Popular Mechanics and Battery University, charging patterns have 
little to no effect on battery life in today's modern phones (they used to with 
other types of batteries), so no, when you decide to charge has no effect on 
how long your battery will last.

As for things you can do to make the battery go longer between charges, you can 
turn off the display (or actually I mean turn down the brightness of the 
display).  Turn off automatic  brightness, the manually set the display to a 
very low brightness level.  This means you will manually have to turn it back 
up if you want to show a sighted person something.  Using the Voice Over 
curtain feature is not the same, and does not save any battery.

As for the phone getting warm, I think this is just lack of cooling air 
circulating around it; especially as you describe it slipping down in the 
chair, but the bed is also a good insulator, even on one side.  If it's plugged 
in when you feel it getting warm, I'd say this is normal.

Sometimes my phone gets warm even when not plugged in, but that's when I'm 
using it a lot by talking or otherwise causing it to transmit (typing in texts, 
emails, other transmissions).

I would think you could still by a battery case for your phone, certainly you 
can just buy an external battery to plug it into for charging.


Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

Hello everyone,


I have a few questions here. I am hoping someone can give me some 
thoughts, or advice.


First of all, my phone is up to date. I have the 5S. I can upgrade by 
February, but I don't know if I will. I am paying for this phone monthly.


Anyway, I have been noticing that sometimes my batter runs down faster. 
I am on my phone quite a lot some days, more than other days. Not always 
making calls, but checking out Facebook, and maybe commenting on posts, 
or making posts. Checking my email, or maybe writing some emails. 
Playing Farkle. Maybe reading a news story, and definitely texting! 
That's certainly the biggest thing. I do this all over WIFI.

Every once in a while, I may play a video of some sort. But I use my 
Ipad for most of this.


I don't know what causes more battery useage than other things. I am 
getting better at closing Apps if I am not using them.


My biggest problem, is that I don't let my phone die, or completely run 
down, before charging it. I have heard this can be a bad thing. I will 
usually let it get to 40 percent, and then charge it. Sometimes 20 
percent, if I am still wanting to finish up something quickly.


So, are there things I could possibly change, to help save battery life?

How low should my battery life really get, before charging my phone?

I do not care for the low power mode. So I choose not to use it.


Also, are there affordable battery packs, or anything like that, still 
available for the 5S?


Now to my next question, and something that is concerning me more.


About 3 times so far, in the last week, I have found that my phone gets 
pretty warm. I don't know why this is happening, or what could be 
causing it.


Once it happened when my phone was laying on my bed. I don't always keep 
it on my bed. Just sometimes.

Another time it happened when I was sitting in my rocker-recliner. The 
phone always ends up sliding down, between the arm of the chair, and the 
seat. It's never been an issue before.

It has also happened while sitting on my desk. I do not keep it near my 
laptop. I am very caucious regarding this.


Is this possibly a bad sign?

Should I be concerned?

What can I do about it, if anything.

The phone does have a plastic cover over it, but it only covers the back 
of the phone.

My phone doesn't get dropped, or anything like that.


Any thoughts, or suggestions would be very much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Chip,
If we ever want that much data, I'll check it out for sure, but we are 
basically cheap when it comes to spendinmoney on phone service.
Thanks again,
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Chip Orange 
> wrote:

I checked Go Phone, and it looks like two phones is $80 per month, with each 
getting their own 4gb per month of data (with one month rollover allowed, so 
you could have 8gb available for either phone if you don’t use most of your 
data usually).

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Check out http://att.com/gophone where they discuss multiphone discounts.

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi
Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.
Mr. Ed
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Wow!
That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.
I'll have to check into that.
Thanks,
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange 
> wrote:
Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed > wrote:
Hi Cher,

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
tech support is great.

Mr. Ed



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cher Bosch
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network



Has anyone who switched to 

RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Mr. Ed]

Chip,

I get 500 mb for that price. If I want 1.5 gb it would be $5.00 more. If I want 
2 gb it would be $15.pp more. If I want 4 gb it would be $25.00 more. I think 
those are the correct numbers. I am going by memory.

Those prices I gave you are to be added to my $35.00 cost and that would be for 
two iPhones.

So I don’t pay for more than I use. If I go on vacation or something and use 
more than I pay for it. Other than that if I am at home I am not paying for 2 
or 4 gb that I am not using and saving myself the money.

Like I said you have to go to their site and look at the prices for talk and 
data.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Yes, $35 for two phones sounds great, but I would have to see how much data you 
get for the two phones for that price?

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:

Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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Re: Overdrive app and pop up

[Arnold Schmidt]

I  know nothing about this app, somebody has already said that you can get to 
what you want without using a pop up. If indeed it is a pop up,  one of those 
that continues to say pop up button,  no matter how many times you double tap 
it, after having double tapped it, touch the bottom right hand corner of the 
screen, but up just a little bit, and see if it says picker item. Most picker 
items work as they should now, but I occasionally still have to use this work 
around that I discovered during one of the updates when a lot of them didn't 
work. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Nov 22, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Marie  wrote:

I have used the Overdrive program on my PC for a long time and like you, I love 
it. With the IPhone app, the problem is this. I have a card for the Phoenix 
library but they want to know which branch library your card is on. I did not 
have the app downloaded to this phone before but the Main library was already 
set up. But it wants me to re-sign in with the card number and the name of the 
city where my library is located. The list of cities is accessed by a pop-up 
and I can't seem to activate it. I may need to get my sister to do it for me if 
I don't find the solution.
I do have the Overdrive account so I can add other libraries. Their selection 
of audio books is almost as good as Audible.com.

-Original Message- From: M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Overdrive app and pop up

Hello Marie,

As a huge fan of the Over Drive, app, I am delighted that you have decided to 
give it a try.  I use this app, every single day, to listen to audio books.

Now it just so happens that 4 days ago, I added a new library to my app.

1.
>From within the app, select the Main Menu button.  A list of choices will 
>appear.

2.
Select Add a Library.

Enter the name of the Library, the city in which it is located (for example, 
Santa Monica), or its zip code in the edit field and then single-finger, 
double-tap the Search button.  A results list will appear from which you may 
select.  You may also use the Browse Libraries, button.  In either scenario, 
there is no pop-up button upon which you need to act.

Make certain that you have the latest version of iOS and the latest version of 
Over Drive installed on your iPhone.

Finally, for the best experience, I suggest that you create an actual Over 
Drive account in addition to signing into individual libraries via a library 
card and PIN.

Good Luck,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overdrive app and pop up

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where you 
need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the list. 
Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?
Thanks

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

I checked Go Phone, and it looks like two phones is $80 per month, with each 
getting their own 4gb per month of data (with one month rollover allowed, so 
you could have 8gb available for either phone if you don’t use most of your 
data usually).

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Check out http://att.com/gophone where they discuss multiphone discounts.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:

Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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Re: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

[Wayne Scott]

I use Karen enhanced, Allison enhanced, or Siri female enhanced on my
iPad.  Or, I use a braqille display.  I am partially deaf and totally
blind.  Wayne

On 11/22/16, Donald Moore  wrote:
> Our hearing impairments do require different voices.  I find the male Alex
> voice for ALL phone functions to be much more understandable than the
> default voices.  I have bigger issues with the high frequencies so that
> makes sense.  When different ranges are effected different voices are more
> helpful.  Thank Goodness there are so many choices.  I'm also grateful that
> Linda from Albany and others spoke of the Com Pilot.  That isn't bad
> either!!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?
>
> Hi
> I am severe hard of hearing and I find the compact voices way better than
> the High Quality voices. To me I can understand the words better and they
> are pronounce more correctly.
> Mr. Ed
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: viphone Email List
> Subject: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?
>
>   For Jonathan and other hearing-impaired folks on here, who might be able
> to shed some light on what I'm about to write: This morning I took the
> plunge and tried the Tom and Juan High-Quality voice and upon voice
> samples,, (thy're way too short to really get a grasp of the voice) didn't
> like the kind of robotic-sounding Compact voice, so I put the High-Quality
> ones. They worked great, but after several hours of using them, I found I
> wasn't able to understand some words, thinking that maybe my ears were
> having problems, or maybe the hearing aid battery getting low, but no. So
> frustrated was I getting that I was about to throw the towel and return to
> the legacy Samantha and Paulina voices. I thought I'll give the Compact
> voices a try, overall after a friend on Whatsapp, told me of a comment he'd
> heard that several hearing-impaired folks were also having frustrations with
> the iOS10's High-Quality voices; so I decided why not give them a chance
> before throwing the towl? And wow what a change! I'm able to clearly
> understand what the iPhone is saying! So now I have to stay, on my 5S, Tom
> English US, and Juan Mexican Spanish Compact voices. So I just wonder am I
> the only one who had these frustrations with the High-Quality iOS10 voices?
> With the earpods they worked great, but when having the phone normally at a
> distance without earpods, is when the fristrations started, but as I said
> before, with the Compact voices, a different world entirely!
> Looking forward to experiences.
>
> --
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RE: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

[Donald Moore]

Our hearing impairments do require different voices.  I find the male Alex 
voice for ALL phone functions to be much more understandable than the default 
voices.  I have bigger issues with the high frequencies so that makes sense.  
When different ranges are effected different voices are more helpful.  Thank 
Goodness there are so many choices.  I'm also grateful that Linda from Albany 
and others spoke of the Com Pilot.  That isn't bad either!!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

Hi 
I am severe hard of hearing and I find the compact voices way better than the 
High Quality voices. To me I can understand the words better and they are 
pronounce more correctly.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:25 PM
To: viphone Email List
Subject: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

  For Jonathan and other hearing-impaired folks on here, who might be able to 
shed some light on what I'm about to write: This morning I took the plunge and 
tried the Tom and Juan High-Quality voice and upon voice samples,, (thy're way 
too short to really get a grasp of the voice) didn't like the kind of 
robotic-sounding Compact voice, so I put the High-Quality ones. They worked 
great, but after several hours of using them, I found I wasn't able to 
understand some words, thinking that maybe my ears were having problems, or 
maybe the hearing aid battery getting low, but no. So frustrated was I getting 
that I was about to throw the towel and return to the legacy Samantha and 
Paulina voices. I thought I'll give the Compact voices a try, overall after a 
friend on Whatsapp, told me of a comment he'd heard that several 
hearing-impaired folks were also having frustrations with the iOS10's 
High-Quality voices; so I decided why not give them a chance before throwing 
the towl? And wow what a change! I'm able to clearly understand what the iPhone 
is saying! So now I have to stay, on my 5S, Tom English US, and Juan Mexican 
Spanish Compact voices. So I just wonder am I the only one who had these 
frustrations with the High-Quality iOS10 voices? With the earpods they worked 
great, but when having the phone normally at a distance without earpods, is 
when the fristrations started, but as I said before, with the Compact voices, a 
different world entirely! 
Looking forward to experiences.

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

Yes, $35 for two phones sounds great, but I would have to see how much data you 
get for the two phones for that price?

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:

Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

Check out http://att.com/gophone where they discuss multiphone discounts.

 

Chip

 

 

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Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:

Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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RE: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi 
I am severe hard of hearing and I find the compact voices way better than the 
High Quality voices. To me I can understand the words better and they are 
pronounce more correctly.
Mr. Ed
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:25 PM
To: viphone Email List
Subject: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

  For Jonathan and other hearing-impaired folks on here, who might be able to 
shed some light on what I'm about to write: This morning I took the plunge and 
tried the Tom and Juan High-Quality voice and upon voice samples,, (thy're way 
too short to really get a grasp of the voice) didn't like the kind of 
robotic-sounding Compact voice, so I put the High-Quality ones. They worked 
great, but after several hours of using them, I found I wasn't able to 
understand some words, thinking that maybe my ears were having problems, or 
maybe the hearing aid battery getting low, but no. So frustrated was I getting 
that I was about to throw the towel and return to the legacy Samantha and 
Paulina voices. I thought I'll give the Compact voices a try, overall after a 
friend on Whatsapp, told me of a comment he'd heard that several 
hearing-impaired folks were also having frustrations with the iOS10's 
High-Quality voices; so I decided why not give them a chance before throwing 
the towl? And wow what a change! I'm able to clearly understand what the iPhone 
is saying! So now I have to stay, on my 5S, Tom English US, and Juan Mexican 
Spanish Compact voices. So I just wonder am I the only one who had these 
frustrations with the High-Quality iOS10 voices? With the earpods they worked 
great, but when having the phone normally at a distance without earpods, is 
when the fristrations started, but as I said before, with the Compact voices, a 
different world entirely! 
Looking forward to experiences.

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Re: Looking for some apps, need help!

[Wayne Merritt]

I know you said that $10 is your max, but if you can go a few dollars
more, you might look at Sling TV. I looked into it a few months ago
and they offer many different packages as add-ons to a basic package.
I think that Sling TV costs about $20 monthly and then each add-on
package which is themed, like movies, cartoons, kids, etc; is an
additional $5. Sling has an iPhone and Apple TV app. I have heard some
say that the iPhone app is not very accessible, not sure on the Apple
TV app. I heard a demonstration on Main Menu with the Sling TV app on
the Apple TV a few months ago and it sounded pretty accessible. Aside
from Sling TV, I don't know if you're going to find a lot of options
out there for cheap. If you do, please pass it along. I also don't
have Cable, partly for the price but also I don't watch TV often
enough to justify getting Cable. Plus, there's nothing good on Cable
anymore anyway, at least compared to 15 or more years ago.

Good luck,
Wayne

On 11/21/16, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> So I am loving my Apple tv, 4th generation! I mess with it almost every
> day. I am glad, and happy that I listened to some of you who suggested
> that I make the transition.
>
>
> As I have mentioned before, I do not have cable. I currently just
> receive over the air tv. For the most part, I am fine with this. But I
> do miss certain channels.
>
> However, I haven't had cable for about 2 years now. But I enjoy certain
> shows, and I like movies.
>
>
> So to get to my point, and the subject of my message. I am needing some
> help finding some accessible apps for the Apple tv. They can either be
> free, or something I would have to pay for. But I really couldn't afford
> to pay more than $10. Unless it was something pretty unique that I
> liked. Then I might consider possibly paying more.
>
>
> I currently have Netflix, Hulu, CBS all-access, and Crackle, which I
> really haven't checked out yet.
>
>
> I would really like to find some pretty accessible apps that show
> classic tv shows from the US, or maybe even Canada. I would also like to
> possibly find some apps that sho classic game shows.
>
> I am also interested in classic cartoons, from the 60's, to the 90's.
>
> I would also like some news channels. I'm not really in to business type
> stuff. More technology, current events, international news, and some
> cultural stuff.
>
> No gossep type stuff. Yuck!
>
>
> I am also hoping to find Apps for movies. I like some commedies, not
> anything too sarcastic, or mean, or ugly. I also like romantic
> commedies. I enjoy some children's movies, as I am a big kid at heart. I
> enjoy action, and adventure stuff, and romantic movies.
>
> I'm sure there are more. But that's what I can think of at the moment. I
> enjoy movies from about the fifties, and up.
>
>
> So do any of you think you can help me?
>
> Are there any apps out there that exist for all this stuff?
>
> I know it's likely a longshot. But I have to try.
>
>
> I don't mind signing up at a website, or having to enter a code of some
> sort. I will just need to know if I will need to do this for the app, so
> I have sighted assistance for receiving the code. Well, reading it, that
> is.
>
>
> Any advice, thoughts, or app suggestions any of you may have, would be
> very much appreciated!
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Mr. Ed]

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:



Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

I only have one phone, and I saw on the web site I just published in my 
previous post that they have multiphone discounts, but yes, I believe the basic 
billing is done by phone, and you get some sort of multi discount.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

chip,

After thinking about that, is that per phone?

My wife and Iseparate numbers and share the minutes and data.

We don't use tminutes, and don't use the 1.5 gb, so unless that $40 got 
unlimited minutes and even half the data each, we'd end up spending a lot more 
for stuff we probably wouldn't use.

Richard

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:



Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

I just walked into my AT store (where they will set this up), but you can 
also go to http://att.com/gophone to have a look.

 

Note the $5 discount you get for setting up auto-pay with a creditcard, which 
brings the basic plan down from $45 to $40.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:



Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

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Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

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Re: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

[Gerardo Corripio]

 Wayne Exactly that's the word i was looking for! The High-Quality 
voices sounded like if they were talking through teeth! Muffled that's 
the word! but strangely the Compact voice sounds very clear! Yes surely 
it's because of the degree and type of yearig loss, type of hearing aids 
etc. Nevertheless I think this will bring on very interesting experiences!


El 22/11/2016 04:29 p.m., Wayne Merritt escribió:

Hello. I use Alex as my primary voice, along with the Tom high quality
voice on my iPhone 7. Though I mostly use Alex, I was impressed by how
clear and a touch louder the Tom voice was on the phone. I haven't had
any trouble understanding Tom, but there are probably differences in
what you can hear and what I can hear. I should say too that I can
understand Tom with or without my hearing aids in. I typically find
the Compact voices to be more muffled, but as I say your milage may
vary.

Wayne

On 11/22/16, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

   For Jonathan and other hearing-impaired folks on here, who might be
able to shed some light on what I'm about to write: This morning I took
the plunge and tried the Tom and Juan High-Quality voice and upon voice
samples,, (thy're way too short to really get a grasp of the voice)
didn't like the kind of robotic-sounding Compact voice, so I put the
High-Quality ones. They worked great, but after several hours of using
them, I found I wasn't able to understand some words, thinking that
maybe my ears were having problems, or maybe the hearing aid battery
getting low, but no. So frustrated was I getting that I was about to
throw the towel and return to the legacy Samantha and Paulina voices. I
thought I'll give the Compact voices a try, overall after a friend on
Whatsapp, told me of a comment he'd heard that several hearing-impaired
folks were also having frustrations with the iOS10's High-Quality
voices; so I decided why not give them a chance before throwing the
towl? And wow what a change! I'm able to clearly understand what the
iPhone is saying! So now I have to stay, on my 5S, Tom English US, and
Juan Mexican Spanish Compact voices. So I just wonder am I the only one
who had these frustrations with the High-Quality iOS10 voices? With the
earpods they worked great, but when having the phone normally at a
distance without earpods, is when the fristrations started, but as I
said before, with the Compact voices, a different world entirely!
Looking forward to experiences.

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Re: iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

[Wayne Merritt]

Hello. I use Alex as my primary voice, along with the Tom high quality
voice on my iPhone 7. Though I mostly use Alex, I was impressed by how
clear and a touch louder the Tom voice was on the phone. I haven't had
any trouble understanding Tom, but there are probably differences in
what you can hear and what I can hear. I should say too that I can
understand Tom with or without my hearing aids in. I typically find
the Compact voices to be more muffled, but as I say your milage may
vary.

Wayne

On 11/22/16, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>   For Jonathan and other hearing-impaired folks on here, who might be
> able to shed some light on what I'm about to write: This morning I took
> the plunge and tried the Tom and Juan High-Quality voice and upon voice
> samples,, (thy're way too short to really get a grasp of the voice)
> didn't like the kind of robotic-sounding Compact voice, so I put the
> High-Quality ones. They worked great, but after several hours of using
> them, I found I wasn't able to understand some words, thinking that
> maybe my ears were having problems, or maybe the hearing aid battery
> getting low, but no. So frustrated was I getting that I was about to
> throw the towel and return to the legacy Samantha and Paulina voices. I
> thought I'll give the Compact voices a try, overall after a friend on
> Whatsapp, told me of a comment he'd heard that several hearing-impaired
> folks were also having frustrations with the iOS10's High-Quality
> voices; so I decided why not give them a chance before throwing the
> towl? And wow what a change! I'm able to clearly understand what the
> iPhone is saying! So now I have to stay, on my 5S, Tom English US, and
> Juan Mexican Spanish Compact voices. So I just wonder am I the only one
> who had these frustrations with the High-Quality iOS10 voices? With the
> earpods they worked great, but when having the phone normally at a
> distance without earpods, is when the fristrations started, but as I
> said before, with the Compact voices, a different world entirely!
> Looking forward to experiences.
>
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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

I should have clarified that a Go Phone plan is $45 a month, with a $5 discount 
for paying them by registering a creditcard with your account for automatic 
payment.

Chip


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Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
> they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
> tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone
> functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility
> that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks
> for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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iOS10 High-Quality voices and hearing-impairments experiences?

[Gerardo Corripio]

 For Jonathan and other hearing-impaired folks on here, who might be 
able to shed some light on what I'm about to write: This morning I took 
the plunge and tried the Tom and Juan High-Quality voice and upon voice 
samples,, (thy're way too short to really get a grasp of the voice) 
didn't like the kind of robotic-sounding Compact voice, so I put the 
High-Quality ones. They worked great, but after several hours of using 
them, I found I wasn't able to understand some words, thinking that 
maybe my ears were having problems, or maybe the hearing aid battery 
getting low, but no. So frustrated was I getting that I was about to 
throw the towel and return to the legacy Samantha and Paulina voices. I 
thought I'll give the Compact voices a try, overall after a friend on 
Whatsapp, told me of a comment he'd heard that several hearing-impaired 
folks were also having frustrations with the iOS10's High-Quality 
voices; so I decided why not give them a chance before throwing the 
towl? And wow what a change! I'm able to clearly understand what the 
iPhone is saying! So now I have to stay, on my 5S, Tom English US, and 
Juan Mexican Spanish Compact voices. So I just wonder am I the only one 
who had these frustrations with the High-Quality iOS10 voices? With the 
earpods they worked great, but when having the phone normally at a 
distance without earpods, is when the fristrations started, but as I 
said before, with the Compact voices, a different world entirely! 
Looking forward to experiences.


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Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Richard Turner]

chip,
After thinking about that, is that per phone?
My wife and Iseparate numbers and share the minutes and data.
We don't use tminutes, and don't use the 1.5 gb, so unless that $40 got 
unlimited minutes and even half the data each, we'd end up spending a lot more 
for stuff we probably wouldn't use.
Richard


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On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Wow!
That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.
I'll have to check into that.
Thanks,
Richard


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On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange 
> wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed > wrote:
Hi Cher,

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
tech support is great.

Mr. Ed



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cher Bosch
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network



Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone
functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility
that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks
for sharing your experiences.



Cher

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Pablo,
Like I said in my previous email on this subject Consumer Cellular is own by A 
T & T, so you will have the same single strength as being on A T & T. I believe 
4 gig of data on Consumer Cellular is $40.00 and 1000  minutes of talk time is 
$20.00. That is the nice thing about Consumer Cellular is you choose how many 
minutes and data you want. If say you choose 4 gig of data and you only use 1.5 
gig of data you can lower it down to 1.5 gig right at the end of the billing 
cycle and save you self $20.00. Like myself I chose 500 mb and say I would use 
1.5 gig they would move me up to that level after I go over the 500 mb. So say 
the next month I see I am only going to use 400 mb I would change it back to 
500 mb and save $5 or $ 10 bucks depending on where it was before I moved it 
back to where I want it. If you do not understand all this you really don't 
have to worry about it as they adjust your plan according to how much you use. 
You will get an email telling you if you are getting close to the amount you 
have chosen. 
I think if you are with any of the big carriers and you move to Consumer 
Cellular you will cut your bill in half or less. Also since your bill is a lot 
cheaper you can buy your iPhone from them if you like and make payments for it 
and your bill will still be lower than the big carriers. 
Give them a call at  (888) 345-5509  and they can explain it all to you. I will 
bet you will find it a lot cheaper than the big carriers. What do you have to 
lose by calling them and asking your questions. 
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ What 
about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


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Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Richard Turner]

Wow!
That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.
I'll have to check into that.
Thanks,
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange 
> wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed > wrote:
Hi Cher,

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
tech support is great.

Mr. Ed



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cher Bosch
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network



Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone
functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility
that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks
for sharing your experiences.



Cher

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Chip Orange]

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
> they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
> tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone
> functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility
> that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks
> for sharing your experiences.
>
>
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> Cher
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Re: Overdrive app and pop up

[Marie]

I have used the Overdrive program on my PC for a long time and like you, I 
love it. With the IPhone app, the problem is this. I have a card for the 
Phoenix library but they want to know which branch library your card is on. 
I did not have the app downloaded to this phone before but the Main library 
was already set up. But it wants me to re-sign in with the card number and 
the name of the city where my library is located. The list of cities is 
accessed by a pop-up and I can't seem to activate it. I may need to get my 
sister to do it for me if I don't find the solution.
I do have the Overdrive account so I can add other libraries. Their 
selection of audio books is almost as good as Audible.com.


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Overdrive app and pop up

Hello Marie,

As a huge fan of the Over Drive, app, I am delighted that you have decided 
to give it a try.  I use this app, every single day, to listen to audio 
books.


Now it just so happens that 4 days ago, I added a new library to my app.

1.
From within the app, select the Main Menu button.  A list of choices will 

appear.

2.
Select Add a Library.

Enter the name of the Library, the city in which it is located (for example, 
Santa Monica), or its zip code in the edit field and then single-finger, 
double-tap the Search button.  A results list will appear from which you may 
select.  You may also use the Browse Libraries, button.  In either scenario, 
there is no pop-up button upon which you need to act.


Make certain that you have the latest version of iOS and the latest version 
of Over Drive installed on your iPhone.


Finally, for the best experience, I suggest that you create an actual Over 
Drive account in addition to signing into individual libraries via a library 
card and PIN.


Good Luck,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Marie

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overdrive app and pop up

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where 
you need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the 
list. Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?

Thanks

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RE: Bluetooth keyboard more than one device

[Chip Orange]

Sorry for the delay in answering ... no, no numeric pad, it's primarily trying 
to be small and portible, and yet suitable for all 3 types of devices.

I haven't read the docs fully, but I suspect just like a laptop, you can hold 
down the FN key, and have the keys centered around the j, k, and l act as 
numeric pad keys.  I used a laptop which worked like this for years, and the 
muscle memory soon takes over, and you think nothing of pressing the special 
key, and I found it to be faster in that you don't have to move your hands off 
of home row.

Hth,

Chip


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Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard more than one device

Does it have a numpad??
At 03:12 PM 11/20/2016, you wrote:
>Microsoft has a universal portable bluetooth 
>keyboard, which I just purchased, which is 
>designed especially to due this.  It also has a 
>button which lets you switch it between IOS, 
>Windows, and Android keyboard layouts, and it 
>can connect up to 3 devices concurrently, 
>allowing you to switch between them with a special key).
>
>I paid $50 on Amazon, and I believe this is 
>their usual price, even though MS introduced 
>this keyboard recently with a $100 retail suggested price.Â
>
>It folds in the middle, so there’s a little 
>extra space (not hard to get used to) where the 
>split happens between the “g† and “h† 
>keys, which are a little larger to allow for 
>this.  When it folds, magnets hold it closed 
>and it automatically turns off.  When it opens, 
>it automatically turns on, but it never locks 
>the hinge in the middle, so placing it on your 
>lap means you’ll need to get used to the two 
>halves being at some slight angle to one 
>another; this doesn’t bother me, and of course 
>on a table it’s a flat keyboard, but as far as 
>I know this is the only complaint I’ve seen about the keyboard.
>
>Folded it’s about 5 by 7 inches, and open 
>about 10 by 7 inches; it’s a rechargable 
>battery, and I think I’ve seen it can last 
>about a month between typical charges.
>
>
>Hth,
>
>Chip
>
>
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>Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:11 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Bluetooth keyboard more than one device
>
>Hi all,
>I would like to ask to all of you a suggestion 
>of a Bluetooth keyboard that I will be able to 
>connect  to an iPhone 7, and also an Apple TV. 
>Moreover I would like to be able to a third 
>device, that could be a windows tablet, or maybe 
>an android device. Which device, which Bluetooth keyboard has this flexibility?
>Thanks to all,
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Re: Overdrive app and pop up

[Paul Richard McGann]

hello,

does over drive have page numbers visible? if so, I need to see about page 
numbers in braille. it would be wonderufl if they  are accessible.


sincebookshare read2go, new books have no page numbers as I don't want to 
keep advance button to omuch to keep gong if I goet interruption or 
something happens, I don't want to go back on the beginning of each chapter. 
I want to be on same spot where I leave off. the bookmark, it doesn't help 
enough.


if over drive is accessible, I will join. thank you1

sincerely,
rich


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From: M. Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Overdrive app and pop up

Hello Marie,

As a huge fan of the Over Drive, app, I am delighted that you have decided 
to give it a try.  I use this app, every single day, to listen to audio 
books.


Now it just so happens that 4 days ago, I added a new library to my app.

1.
From within the app, select the Main Menu button.  A list of choices will 

appear.

2.
Select Add a Library.

Enter the name of the Library, the city in which it is located (for example, 
Santa Monica), or its zip code in the edit field and then single-finger, 
double-tap the Search button.  A results list will appear from which you may 
select.  You may also use the Browse Libraries, button.  In either scenario, 
there is no pop-up button upon which you need to act.


Make certain that you have the latest version of iOS and the latest version 
of Over Drive installed on your iPhone.


Finally, for the best experience, I suggest that you create an actual Over 
Drive account in addition to signing into individual libraries via a library 
card and PIN.


Good Luck,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Marie

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overdrive app and pop up

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where 
you need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the 
list. Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?

Thanks

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Yes, you are right. This is why I am asking.
Thank you so much,


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have had no problems with signal quality.
I mostly do my Data intensive stuff on WiFi,.  My wife and I share minutes and 
data and while we have 1.5 GB we've never gotten over 1GB of usage.
Everyone needs to decide based on their personal usage.  If you need 4 GB of 
data, maybe other plans would cost less, I don't know.
That is why competition is a good thing.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ What 
about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


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Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
>
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RE: Overdrive app and pop up

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marie,

As a huge fan of the Over Drive, app, I am delighted that you have decided to 
give it a try.  I use this app, every single day, to listen to audio books.  

Now it just so happens that 4 days ago, I added a new library to my app.  

1.
>From within the app, select the Main Menu button.  A list of choices will 
>appear.

2.
Select Add a Library.

Enter the name of the Library, the city in which it is located (for example, 
Santa Monica), or its zip code in the edit field and then single-finger, 
double-tap the Search button.  A results list will appear from which you may 
select.  You may also use the Browse Libraries, button.  In either scenario, 
there is no pop-up button upon which you need to act.

Make certain that you have the latest version of iOS and the latest version of 
Over Drive installed on your iPhone.  

Finally, for the best experience, I suggest that you create an actual Over 
Drive account in addition to signing into individual libraries via a library 
card and PIN.

Good Luck,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overdrive app and pop up

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where you 
need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the list. 
Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?
Thanks
 
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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Richard Turner]

I have had no problems with signal quality.
I mostly do my Data intensive stuff on WiFi,.  My wife and I share minutes and 
data and while we have 1.5 GB we've never gotten over 1GB of usage.
Everyone needs to decide based on their personal usage.  If you need 4 GB of 
data, maybe other plans would cost less, I don't know.
That is why competition is a good thing.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ 
What about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[christopher hallsworth]

O2 is very good and has been rated the no.1 network for years and I can see 
why. Very good to excellent coverage to nearly all of the country, customer 
service is free to O2 mobiles which in our experience when we were with them in 
the past, we never really needed them, plus their prices are very competitive 
to our other providers Vodafone, Three and EE which is a merger between Orange 
and our version of T-mobile.


> On 22 Nov 2016, at 19:08, Pablo Cesar Morales  wrote:
> 
> Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ 
> What about the quality of signal?
> I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
> quality of signal.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
> 
> Hi Kelly,
> I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
> Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
> text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
> consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
> usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned 
> by A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just 
> for your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have 
> my wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular 
> only cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around 
> $140.00 for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is 
> based on the amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go 
> to Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as 
> they have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost 
> you to use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do 
> is call them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when 
> you get it you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and 
> you can keep your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier 
> for you and you will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
> Mr. Ed   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
> 
> When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
> mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are 
> not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth 
> the savings for me.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>> Hi Cher,
>> 
>> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
>> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
>> money.  Their tech support is great.
>> 
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
>> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
>> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
>> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cher
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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ 
What about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
>
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Question regarding battery life, and phone getting warm

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have a few questions here. I am hoping someone can give me some 
thoughts, or advice.


First of all, my phone is up to date. I have the 5S. I can upgrade by 
February, but I don't know if I will. I am paying for this phone monthly.


Anyway, I have been noticing that sometimes my batter runs down faster. 
I am on my phone quite a lot some days, more than other days. Not always 
making calls, but checking out Facebook, and maybe commenting on posts, 
or making posts. Checking my email, or maybe writing some emails. 
Playing Farkle. Maybe reading a news story, and definitely texting! 
That's certainly the biggest thing. I do this all over WIFI.

Every once in a while, I may play a video of some sort. But I use my 
Ipad for most of this.


I don't know what causes more battery useage than other things. I am 
getting better at closing Apps if I am not using them.


My biggest problem, is that I don't let my phone die, or completely run 
down, before charging it. I have heard this can be a bad thing. I will 
usually let it get to 40 percent, and then charge it. Sometimes 20 
percent, if I am still wanting to finish up something quickly.


So, are there things I could possibly change, to help save battery life?

How low should my battery life really get, before charging my phone?

I do not care for the low power mode. So I choose not to use it.


Also, are there affordable battery packs, or anything like that, still 
available for the 5S?


Now to my next question, and something that is concerning me more.


About 3 times so far, in the last week, I have found that my phone gets 
pretty warm. I don't know why this is happening, or what could be 
causing it.


Once it happened when my phone was laying on my bed. I don't always keep 
it on my bed. Just sometimes.

Another time it happened when I was sitting in my rocker-recliner. The 
phone always ends up sliding down, between the arm of the chair, and the 
seat. It's never been an issue before.

It has also happened while sitting on my desk. I do not keep it near my 
laptop. I am very caucious regarding this.


Is this possibly a bad sign?

Should I be concerned?

What can I do about it, if anything.

The phone does have a plastic cover over it, but it only covers the back 
of the phone.

My phone doesn't get dropped, or anything like that.


Any thoughts, or suggestions would be very much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Cher Bosch]

Thanks to all for the great information. We've never installed a SIM card on an 
iPhone- is it easy to do without visual assistance? You have all convinced us 
to give this a go. Thanks so much.

Cher



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Mr. Ed]

One thing I should mention. If you only have an iPhone do not put the sim card 
in right away that you get from Consumer Cellular. If you do you will not have 
phone service. I would call them first for instructions if you only have the 
one phone.  If you have another phone to call them on then you can install the 
sim card then call them on the other phone.  
If you do not know how to install a sim card I would call them and their tech 
can assist you. You might want to have a sighted person with you when you do 
this just in case you have trouble installing the sim card. It is really easy. 
I just gave my wife a paper clip and there is a hole on the side of the iPhone 
and you ben the paper clip to use the end to put in the hole and push it in to 
release the sim card. Out comes the old sim card. Put the new sim card in and 
push it back in and you are done installing the sim card.
Mr. Ed
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
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Re: Sent messages

['simon' via VIPhone]

Hi I found the imap settings for yahoo, but I am still not finding the 
messages I send through the computer on my iphone.


-Original Message- 
From: Simon w

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sent messages

Hi I have trouble navigating the yahoo site with a screen reader.

On Sun, 11/20/16, Simon w  wrote:

Subject: Re: Sent messages
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Received: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 5:02 AM

I don't know, how do
I find out. Because I have it set on the computer as pop.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Rajmund


wrote:


Hello,
But POP or IMAP?



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original

Message -

From: 'simon w'

via VIPhone  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:26 am
Subject: Re: Sent messages




I'm

using yahoo with windows live mail.




-Original Message- 
From: Rajmund



Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:49 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sent messages

Hello,
I use both POP and IMAP, and

regardless of what I send from, for example

this braille sense, using POP, my IMAP

devices will show the messages that

were sent off the u2, so since they

upload it to the server.




Sent from a Braille Sense

-

Original Message -

From:

Sieghard Weitzel  

To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"



Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:35

pm

Subject: RE: Sent messages




Hi

Simon,


What email service do you use? You

must be using IMAP, Exchange Active

Sync (that is Outlook.com) or full

Exchange (typically used by businesses)

for your mail to sync across

devices.

Even gmail and

Outlook.com accounts can still be set up as POP accounts

and this service does not support

Sent messages syncing across devices or

features where if you reply to a

message say on your computer it will also

show as replied to on your iPhone

with the reply associated to the message

etc.




Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-



From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016

4:13 AM

To: CISG 
Subject: Sent messages

Hi,

how come when I send a message through my computer it
doesn't appear

in the sent

messages on my iPhone?


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Mário Gabriel]

Apple never admits its responsibilities ...
The fault is always of others ...
Everyone knows that this accessibility issue in Itunes on windows is the 
responsibility of Apple ...


Steve Jobs, we miss you.

Tim Cook, sucks.

cheers.
Às 16:51 de 22/11/2016, englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:

I was just on the phone with Apple Accessibility yesterday to talk with them 
about the problems for screen reader users when trying to sync music to an 
iDevice with the sync selected artists, albums, and playlists method. The issue 
is that no screen reader I've tried (the latest version of NVDA, JAWS 17, and 
even Narrator) on my Windows 10 machine will read anything in these lists. I 
haven't yet tried (I think it was Marc's suggestion) of using the refresh 
screen feature of JAWS to try to get things reading with it. NVDA's text and 
object review commands don't make it possible to read anything, either. The 
reason I haven't yet tried JAWS 18 is that I only recently received my SMA 
update to version 18, and I haven't yet had a chance to install it. I'll report 
back with more news when I've installed JAWS 18 and tried the screen refresh 
command. By the way, I did all the tests of the screen readers mentioned above 
when the rep was on the phone with me. He said that the issue was with 
Microsoft. I specifically asked him if anything had changed in the latest 
versions of iTunes 12 in terms of the way they programed those lists (after 
all, the lists of the column browser work fine in the main music library) and 
he said that as far as he knew, nothing had changed except the way things were 
arranged in the program, not the underlying structure of the way things were 
made in the program,. I told him it'd be interesting to see if blind users of 
the latest iTunes and Windows 7 were haveing the same issues. A friend of mine 
is running Windows 8 or 8.1. I'll have to check if she's having the same issues 
I'm having. She's also running NVDA. I want to see if this is really a 
Microsoft issues with not presenting things well in Windows 10 to any screen 
readers' or if the issue is with iTunes.

Lol the Apple Accessibility rep had the idea that all Windows screen readers were rather 
limited, and could only perform the "basics," as he put it. I couldn't let that 
slide, and set him straight on that. I must say, he was rather surprised. I wonder if 
that was just his Mac bias or Apple propaganda talking. Either way, he needed to know 
that not only were Windows screen readers very capable, but that I was a capable user of 
two of them, so that he knew I wasn't just spouting Windows screen readers are better 
than VoiceOver on Mac.

Anyway, just thought I'd tell you all about the issues I'm having, and that I 
spoke to Apple about them, and that I'm going to do some testing. It'd be 
really useful if people running Windows 7 and the latest version of iTunes 12 
could see if they're having the same issues I am' so I i can keep a useful 
dialogue going with Apple, and possibly start one with Microsoft. Sorry if any 
of this has been a bit nonsensicle; it's rather early here, and I'm not 
propperly awake yet. I just wanted to get this in before I forgot any of it.


Thanks,
Ari


On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

Perhaps someone could do a podcast on this program and post it on Applevis?

-Original Message- From: Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

yes, it works fine during the demo. I just haven't been able to afford to
purchase it yet with Murphy constantly rearing its head at my house.
- Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows



Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the originals?


Carol P - UK




On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow you to copy 
music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
- Original Message - From: "denise avant" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows



Hello everyone,
Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for some of 
the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in windows has gotten 
worse over the years. I was just trying to see what was possible when using 
iTunes with windows 10 after all there is the need to sync data from the iPhone 
and iPad to one's computer from time to time I can remember when some of us 
upgraded to iOS 10. A lot of us simply connected our cables to our computers to 
download
I was just trying to find out 

RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and data used are not 
available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing these frills is worth the 
savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I 
> think they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of 
> money.  Their tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any 
> phone functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a 
> possibility that some features may not transfer from our AT network 
> to theirs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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Re: speaking bar

[brian albriton]

Thanks so much. I do indeed have that speak screen feature  enabled. 

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:15 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi, Brian. You may find the following podcast by Jonathan Mosen useful.
> iOS 8’s Speak Screen Feature. Listen to iBooks with your Screen Locked and 
> More:
> http://mosen.org/ios-8s-speak-screen-feature-listen-to-ibooks-with-your-screen-locked-and-more/
> 
> If you'd prefer an article with instructions on how to use this feature 
> instead of a podcast, take a look at the following link.
> New in iOS 8: Start Text-To-Speech Easily with Speak Screen:
> http://bdmtech.blogspot.com/2014/09/new-in-ios-8-start-text-to-speech.html?m=1
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:42 AM, brian albriton  wrote:
>> 
>> This thing that says  minimize or maximize speaking bar comes up on my phone 
>> from time to time.  What is that? 
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Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Ari,

Very well done, to demonstrate all these issues with multiple screen readers 
and educate the Apple Accessibility representative! It would be very 
interesting to know whether Windows 7 users are having the same problems. I 
find it hard to believe that the problem is completely due to changes in 
Windows because some parts of iTunes are fully accessible in Windows 10, while 
others are not. But the better defined the problem is, the more likely it is 
that someone will try to solve it.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 22, 2016, at 10:51 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I was just on the phone with Apple Accessibility yesterday to talk with them 
> about the problems for screen reader users when trying to sync music to an 
> iDevice with the sync selected artists, albums, and playlists method. The 
> issue is that no screen reader I've tried (the latest version of NVDA, JAWS 
> 17, and even Narrator) on my Windows 10 machine will read anything in these 
> lists. I haven't yet tried (I think it was Marc's suggestion) of using the 
> refresh screen feature of JAWS to try to get things reading with it. NVDA's 
> text and object review commands don't make it possible to read anything, 
> either. The reason I haven't yet tried JAWS 18 is that I only recently 
> received my SMA update to version 18, and I haven't yet had a chance to 
> install it. I'll report back with more news when I've installed JAWS 18 and 
> tried the screen refresh command. By the way, I did all the tests of the 
> screen readers mentioned above when the rep was on the phone with me. He said 
> that the issue was with Microsoft. I specifically asked him if anything had 
> changed in the latest versions of iTunes 12 in terms of the way they 
> programed those lists (after all, the lists of the column browser work fine 
> in the main music library) and he said that as far as he knew, nothing had 
> changed except the way things were arranged in the program, not the 
> underlying structure of the way things were made in the program,. I told him 
> it'd be interesting to see if blind users of the latest iTunes and Windows 7 
> were haveing the same issues. A friend of mine is running Windows 8 or 8.1. 
> I'll have to check if she's having the same issues I'm having. She's also 
> running NVDA. I want to see if this is really a Microsoft issues with not 
> presenting things well in Windows 10 to any screen readers' or if the issue 
> is with iTunes.
> 
> Lol the Apple Accessibility rep had the idea that all Windows screen readers 
> were rather limited, and could only perform the "basics," as he put it. I 
> couldn't let that slide, and set him straight on that. I must say, he was 
> rather surprised. I wonder if that was just his Mac bias or Apple propaganda 
> talking. Either way, he needed to know that not only were Windows screen 
> readers very capable, but that I was a capable user of two of them, so that 
> he knew I wasn't just spouting Windows screen readers are better than 
> VoiceOver on Mac.
> 
> Anyway, just thought I'd tell you all about the issues I'm having, and that I 
> spoke to Apple about them, and that I'm going to do some testing. It'd be 
> really useful if people running Windows 7 and the latest version of iTunes 12 
> could see if they're having the same issues I am' so I i can keep a useful 
> dialogue going with Apple, and possibly start one with Microsoft. Sorry if 
> any of this has been a bit nonsensicle; it's rather early here, and I'm not 
> propperly awake yet. I just wanted to get this in before I forgot any of it.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps someone could do a podcast on this program and post it on Applevis?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
>> 
>> yes, it works fine during the demo. I just haven't been able to afford to
>> purchase it yet with Murphy constantly rearing its head at my house.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the 
>>> originals?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P - UK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
 there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow you to 
 copy music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
 - Original Message - From: "denise avant" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
 
 
 
 Hello 

Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[englishrider91]

I was just on the phone with Apple Accessibility yesterday to talk with them 
about the problems for screen reader users when trying to sync music to an 
iDevice with the sync selected artists, albums, and playlists method. The issue 
is that no screen reader I've tried (the latest version of NVDA, JAWS 17, and 
even Narrator) on my Windows 10 machine will read anything in these lists. I 
haven't yet tried (I think it was Marc's suggestion) of using the refresh 
screen feature of JAWS to try to get things reading with it. NVDA's text and 
object review commands don't make it possible to read anything, either. The 
reason I haven't yet tried JAWS 18 is that I only recently received my SMA 
update to version 18, and I haven't yet had a chance to install it. I'll report 
back with more news when I've installed JAWS 18 and tried the screen refresh 
command. By the way, I did all the tests of the screen readers mentioned above 
when the rep was on the phone with me. He said that the issue was with 
Microsoft. I specifically asked him if anything had changed in the latest 
versions of iTunes 12 in terms of the way they programed those lists (after 
all, the lists of the column browser work fine in the main music library) and 
he said that as far as he knew, nothing had changed except the way things were 
arranged in the program, not the underlying structure of the way things were 
made in the program,. I told him it'd be interesting to see if blind users of 
the latest iTunes and Windows 7 were haveing the same issues. A friend of mine 
is running Windows 8 or 8.1. I'll have to check if she's having the same issues 
I'm having. She's also running NVDA. I want to see if this is really a 
Microsoft issues with not presenting things well in Windows 10 to any screen 
readers' or if the issue is with iTunes.

Lol the Apple Accessibility rep had the idea that all Windows screen readers 
were rather limited, and could only perform the "basics," as he put it. I 
couldn't let that slide, and set him straight on that. I must say, he was 
rather surprised. I wonder if that was just his Mac bias or Apple propaganda 
talking. Either way, he needed to know that not only were Windows screen 
readers very capable, but that I was a capable user of two of them, so that he 
knew I wasn't just spouting Windows screen readers are better than VoiceOver on 
Mac.

Anyway, just thought I'd tell you all about the issues I'm having, and that I 
spoke to Apple about them, and that I'm going to do some testing. It'd be 
really useful if people running Windows 7 and the latest version of iTunes 12 
could see if they're having the same issues I am' so I i can keep a useful 
dialogue going with Apple, and possibly start one with Microsoft. Sorry if any 
of this has been a bit nonsensicle; it's rather early here, and I'm not 
propperly awake yet. I just wanted to get this in before I forgot any of it.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps someone could do a podcast on this program and post it on Applevis?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> yes, it works fine during the demo. I just haven't been able to afford to
> purchase it yet with Murphy constantly rearing its head at my house.
> - Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> 
>> Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the 
>> originals?
>> 
>> 
>> Carol P - UK
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
>>> there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow you to 
>>> copy music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
>>> - Original Message - From: "denise avant" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for some 
>>> of the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in windows has 
>>> gotten worse over the years. I was just trying to see what was possible 
>>> when using iTunes with windows 10 after all there is the need to sync data 
>>> from the iPhone and iPad to one's computer from time to time I can remember 
>>> when some of us upgraded to iOS 10. A lot of us simply connected our cables 
>>> to our computers to download
>>> I was just trying to find out whether I could sync my  contacts and other 
>>> material such as photos and notes from my phone when using iTunes in 
>>> windows. I guess not. Thanks for all your 

RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Richard Turner]

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
> they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
> tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone
> functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility
> that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks
> for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Kelly Pierce]

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Cher,
>
> I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think
> they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their
> tech support is great.
>
> Mr. Ed
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network
>
>
>
> Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone
> functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility
> that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks
> for sharing your experiences.
>
>
>
> Cher
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Overdrive app and pop up

[Marie]

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where you 
need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the list. 
Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?
Thanks

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Re: Delete & remove in iOS

[Shaf Patel]

Maybe mark his junk as spam so it doesn't even reach your inbox.

On 11/22/2016 6:32 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
> Hi Billy. I'm only gonna reply to this message on list and after that
> I'll shut up because I might have ruffled a few feathers on here with my
> last comment. Unfortunately, I've only used Outlook for a few years and
> I'm still kinda learning. So no, I don't know how to create a filter on
> there. I don't even know how to create filters on Mac Mail but I'd love
> to learn so messages like the one I sent last night don't make it to the
> list. That's all I'll say. I think we should close this topic as Mark
> asked us to. I'll talk more off list if you'd like.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Billy Maynard > > wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>  
>> since you mentioned a filter would there be a way to do such a thing
>> for him on outlook windows?   I've been giving my delete  key a
>> workout too because of him.  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> *From:* Shawn Krasniuk 
>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:35 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS
>>>
>>> Guys, why are you replying to his messages? The more you respond, the
>>> more you fuel the flames of his entitledness. I've deleted all of his
>>> emails after reading the first and second emails because I've
>>> realized that his opinions or facts matter and everybody else's
>>> don't. It's like he has the mentality of I'm better than you so I'm
>>> right and you're wrong. That's why the delete key has been my friend
>>> because I don't take him seriously. So if you ignore him, he'll go
>>> away. Maybe if I don't wanna keep pressing the delete button since I
>>> want to read what other people are saying and it takes up my time, I
>>> might learn how to set up a filter on Mail for my Mac so I don't have
>>> to read his messages again or keep deleting. Hope everyone has a good
>>> night.
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
 On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Todd Patkus > wrote:

 Merv,
 That is for you.  I have no use.
 There are many apps related to Health.
 Apple Inc. is simply and slyly luring folks and those on this list
 to buy their products.
 Thanks.
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
  [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Merv Keck
 *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:04 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
 *Subject:* RE: Delete & remove in iOS
 Health might be useless to you. but I get gift cards from Amazon and
 iTunes for walking five miles a day thanks to the Health app. I use
 it to count my steps. Then I open my insurance app and the
 information from the health app is seamlessly transferred to the
 insurance app and when I get enough points I can cash in for as many
 gift cards as I can. I have already spent quite a few dollars at
 both Amazon and the App store over the past few years. I could save
 up for other purchases, even iPads and there are other stores as
 well such as Target. But these are the two I like to shop with.
 Apple can put all the stock apps they want on my 128 GB iPhone as
 long as the money keeps rolling in.
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Todd Patkus
 *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:51 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
 *Subject:* RE: Delete & remove in iOS
 Mary,
 You are mistaken.  I do not have behavioral problems.  No
 psychological issues, either!
 You do not understand the points I have made.  I have nothing
 against y’all.  Y’all need to learn to be a little bit more
 understanding.  That is where you need to work on.
 I do not need anything to do with Android.  That is not my thing.
 Some of you do not have common sense like I do.  I noticed that, yes.
 Only time will tell.  You will then see what it means.
 That is all.
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Mary Otten
 *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
 *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS
 Well, this could be get me kicked 

Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Russ Kiehne]

Perhaps someone could do a podcast on this program and post it on Applevis?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Doc Wright

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

yes, it works fine during the demo. I just haven't been able to afford to
purchase it yet with Murphy constantly rearing its head at my house.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows


Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the 
originals?



Carol P - UK



On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow you to 
copy music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
- Original Message - From: "denise avant" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows




Hello everyone,
Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for some 
of the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in windows has 
gotten worse over the years. I was just trying to see what was possible 
when using iTunes with windows 10 after all there is the need to sync 
data from the iPhone and iPad to one's computer from time to time I can 
remember when some of us upgraded to iOS 10. A lot of us simply connected 
our cables to our computers to download
I was just trying to find out whether I could sync my  contacts and other 
material such as photos and notes from my phone when using iTunes in 
windows. I guess not. Thanks for all your help.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA 
isn't doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts 
out there which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge 
difference. I have a feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty 
major changes so that companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the 
information and in turn do whatever is needed to make it as good as it 
can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site 
is more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a 
screenreader.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Todd Patkus

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows


Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest 
you contact Freedom Scientific on this one.


Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows


I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of denise avant

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it 
is possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my 
iPhone 6s plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of 
itunes  I am also wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in 
iTunes to navigate it with JAWS  better? Thank you


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Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Russ Kiehne]

Does it support such things being able to transfer large zip files into 
voice dream reader?


-Original Message- 
From: Thom Spittle

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hi Listers,
I have been in contact with the developers of a windows program called 
waltr2.

Their site is
http://www.softorino.com
It will sync music, tones, documents and audio books to your iDevice without 
the need for iTunes. It works very well and the program is accessible, for 
the most part. You just connect your iDevice to the computer and launch 
waltr2. You see your device, then tab once more and open the familiar 
windows dialog box for choosing items. I put all of what I wanted to 
transfer in one folder and selected all. It puts the items where they should 
go on your iDevice.

It costs $39.95, and their tech support is great.
There is a 24 hour full trial.
I have suggested a way to import a playlist feature.
If you import movies, it will convert the file (AVI, MKV, and others) to MP4 
and transfer to your iDevice. Just go to videos and there it is.


I wish apple would fix iTunes. I have called them months ago and they said 
that they will look into it. The blind customer service rep had no problems 
on his mac. Lol.


Go figure.

If you have any questions about waltr2, just let me know.

Thom
thom3...@gmail.com


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the 
originals?



Carol P - UK



On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:

there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow you
to copy music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
- Original Message - From: "denise avant"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for
windows



Hello everyone,
Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for
some of the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in
windows has gotten worse over the years. I was just trying to see what
was possible when using iTunes with windows 10 after all there is the
need to sync data from the iPhone and iPad to one's computer from time
to time I can remember when some of us upgraded to iOS 10. A lot of us
simply connected our cables to our computers to download
I was just trying to find out whether I could sync my  contacts and
other material such as photos and notes from my phone when using
iTunes in windows. I guess not. Thanks for all your help.
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA
isn't doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few
scripts out there which help a bit, there aren't any which make a
huge difference. I have a feeling that Apple would have to make some
pretty major changes so that companies like Freedom Scientific can
get at the information and in turn do whatever is needed to make it
as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the
site is more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a
screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for
windows

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then,
suggest you contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for
windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if
it is possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc
from my iPhone 6s plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest
version of itunes  I am also wondering if I needed to change any of
the settings in iTunes to navigate it with JAWS  better? Thank you

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The following information is 

Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

So, what are the restrictions if you don't purchase?

Carol P



On 22/11/2016 05:02, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
yes, it works fine during the demo. I just haven't been able to afford 
to purchase it yet with Murphy constantly rearing its head at my house.
- Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows



Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the 
originals?



Carol P - UK



On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow 
you to copy music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
- Original Message - From: "denise avant" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows




Hello everyone,
Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for 
some of the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in 
windows has gotten worse over the years. I was just trying to see 
what was possible when using iTunes with windows 10 after all there 
is the need to sync data from the iPhone and iPad to one's computer 
from time to time I can remember when some of us upgraded to iOS 10. 
A lot of us simply connected our cables to our computers to download
I was just trying to find out whether I could sync my contacts and 
other material such as photos and notes from my phone when using 
iTunes in windows. I guess not. Thanks for all your help.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  
wrote:


Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, 
NVDA isn't doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few 
scripts out there which help a bit, there aren't any which make a 
huge difference. I have a feeling that Apple would have to make 
some pretty major changes so that companies like Freedom Scientific 
can get at the information and in turn do whatever is needed to 
make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the 
site is more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a 
screenreader.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Todd Patkus

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows


Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, 
suggest you contact Freedom Scientific on this one.


Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for 
windows


I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of denise avant

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if 
it is possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc 
from my iPhone 6s plus  to my new windows computer I have the 
latest version of itunes  I am also wondering if I needed to change 
any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it with JAWS  better? 
Thank you


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