Re: need help

[Arlene]

Thank you, so much, Richard, for these instructions. we did get everything 
straightened out last night with all the instructions we received and me 
searching some instructions in applevis. voice over just wouldn't come on, on 
my phone, so we did need our neighbor's help. Once it was on, I found that 
somehow the airplane mode got turned on and the wifi was  off, so i 
straightened that out, got the airplane mode off and the wifi back on. I'm 
sorry I'm writing so late, but after being out most of the day yesterday I was 
really tired, and then today I wasn't feeling that well with a migraine so 
that's why I haven't responded since last night. We appreciate all the 
assistance that we received. We're very new to all of this, but little by 
little we're coming along. Thanks again.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:31 PM
  Subject: Re: need help


  No, it is not Assistive touch, that is completely different. 
  Under Accessibility, you want to go down to Accessibility shortcut, open that 
and select VoiceOver.
  Then, a triple click of the home button will toggle VoiceOver on and off.
  Richard





  “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

  - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


  On Mar 15, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Arlene  wrote:


I would be happy to do that, and thank you for responding to me, but siri 
tells me that I don't seem to be connected to the internet. I got instructions 
from someone that said when I can to go into settings, to general, to 
accessibility and then to swipe down to assisted touch which we found on the 
other phone, so I'm assuming that would need to be turned on. Thanks for the 
help.
  - Original Message - 
  From: llump...@austin.rr.com 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:03 PM
  Subject: RE: need help


  Like Marie said, get Siri to turn voiceover back on and then you should 
be able to go to settings and find accessibility and set the home button triple 
tap yourself.





  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Marie
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: need help



  Just tell siri to turn voice over on.

  Marie





  From: Arlene 

  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:54 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: need help



  Today was great with getting things set up on our iphone se phones  and 
an ipad mini from t-mobile. One of the guys may have forgotten to put the 
setting in accessibility on that shortcut so voice over could go on or off with 
the 3 taps. Our neighbor is coming over to help us so if someone could tell me  
what to tell him. He might be able to figure it out. Before I left it was still 
talk, but I found that siri was on but not voice over. 7:t3 my time. Thanks if 
anyone can help.

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Re: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I have had no luck whatsoever either.  I didn’t know it had its own ap. Is this 
different than the regular USPS app? I signed up when it first became available 
and have tweeted at them numerous times regarding the lack of accessibility of 
this and have received no response (sad face).
Take good care,
Robin

From: Don Breda 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:51 AM
To: VIPhone google group 
Subject: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

Hi Listers.

I signed up yesterday for USPS informed delivery.
This is a service where in addition to tracking packages you  also get a list 
of the mail that will arrive in your mailbox every day.
I figured it would be a help to at least have an idea if I even care to scan 
the mail in the box or just shred it grin!

Unfortunately using chrome and firefox on the pc and using the informed app on 
the iPhone I have yet to find a way to read the scanned image.

I can't download the image on the pc or read it and I can't read it or share it 
with another app on the iPhone.

Has anyone done this successfully?

IF so please share your wisdom.

Thanks in advance.

Don

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RE: BARD app - would this feature be helpful to others?

[R Van Lant]

I appreciate those of  you who pointed out the sorting by "latest" feature.  
I'll definitely use that. I also like some of the other ideas shared, so think 
I'll put together a suggestion list.  



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Bullis
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app - would this feature be helpful to others?

This feature kind of already exists. If you'll go to the bookshelf
tab, then choose latest, you'll be able to choose from the latest
books you've listened to.
Matthew

On 3/14/18, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
> That would be a great feature.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Terrie Terlau  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think such a feature would be very useful and would support you in
>> advocating for it.
>> Best,
>> Terrie Terlau
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of R Van Lant
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: BARD app - would this feature be helpful to others?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have quite a list of books in my BARD audio books list.  At any time, I
>> have a couple that I’m toggling between – one that I’m reading with my
>> kids and one that is my personal choice, and maybe a cookbook.  I’m really
>> wishing there was some sort of Favorites list of such that would allow for
>> easier toggling between current books.  Is this something others would
>> like to see? I’d like to submit a recommendation, but wondered if others
>> think this would be useful.
>>
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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Mary Otten]

Although I have not had the orbit 20 in my hands, I have heard podcast with 
demonstrations. The continuous sound of the refreshing of the orbit braille 
display for every line would drive me insane. That alone would keep me from 
purchasing a device.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Flor Lynch  wrote:
> 
> Eight-dot Braille has advantages when composing texts; inputting passwords, 
> and email addresses.
>  
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages 
> of having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  
> Does it make a huge difference in practical terms?
> Regards,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Donna
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>  
> Hi
>  
> In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
> available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
> only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20.
>  
> There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
> information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.
>  
> Donna
>  
> It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>  
> Hi Carla,
> Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
> Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
> the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other 
> distributer?
> Regards,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carla
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>  
> If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
> Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
> Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about 
> it but it works very well with the iDevices.
>  
> Carla
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>  
> Hello folks,
> I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
> braille me and used them with iOS devices.
> I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
> interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
> experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out 
> of stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major 
> differences are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille 
> me uses the six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has 
> routing buttons while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound 
> similar.
> Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
> should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
> braille me.
>  
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Flor Lynch]

Eight-dot Braille has advantages when composing texts; inputting passwords, and 
email addresses. 

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages of 
having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does it 
make a huge difference in practical terms?

Regards,

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hi

 

In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be available 
for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the only place to 
purchase the Orbit Reader 20. 

 

There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450. 

 

Donna

 

  It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  Hi Carla,

  Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?

  Regards,

  Cris

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carla
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it 
but it works very well with the iDevices.

   

  Carla

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  Hello folks,

  I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.

  I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out of 
stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major differences 
are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille me uses the 
six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has routing buttons 
while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound similar.

  Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.

   

  Cheers,

  Cris 

   

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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Richard Turner]

I used the Braille Edge for several years. The note taker is basic, and works 
best if the default document type is txt rather than HIMS Braille or BRL.
It pairs easily with an iPhone.
After 3 or 4 years, I had to send it in for repairs, and found that the mother 
board needed to be replaced, which would have cost about $2400, which is only 
$400 or so less than a new one.
Fortunately, it was provided by my work, but I decided to wait to get a new one 
until the less expensive displays become a reality.
Richard




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On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I have not use a braille edge. I do have and have used obviously, the 
brailliant. It connects well. And I prefer its ergonomics to the hymns devices. 
That is a personal choice. Of course, it has no notetaking ability, and I think 
the braille edge has a little bit. I’ve only seen it, never really used it. Did 
not like the ergonomics.
Mary


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On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Sandra E. Finley 
> wrote:

Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, which 
do you prefer with the iPhone?  Thanks.

Sandy Finley


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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Andy Baracco]

Because they wanted to keep the price down.  With those features you again 
have a $1000 Device.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


Hello,

What I find interesting is why neither of these two manufacturers chose not 
to include both routing keys and 8-dot Braille cells in their products.  For 
my money, both of these two features are integral to a full functioning 
Braille display.


Some things in life, truly confound me.

Certainly they must have done some surveys or see the need for both of these 
key features.


Oh well, what is done, is done.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Kitty,

No I have not considered buying a more expensive display. I run on a limited 
budget. Because I have a job, i do not qualify for state assistance. That 
leaves orbit or braille me as most viable choices.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:40 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:
chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports.


From: Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.


Regards,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of kitty hevener

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when 
I last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show 
the cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the 
cursor.  I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing 
it quickly to the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing 
buttons so much that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so 
efficient to hit the button right where your finger is and have the cursor 
come right there.


From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, 
I believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: Cris Ali

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages 
of having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells? 
Does it make a huge difference in practical terms?

Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Donna

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi

In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20.


There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.


Donna

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Carla,
Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message 
on the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other 
distributer?

Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Carla

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about 
it but it works very well with the iDevices.


Carla


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Re: Regarding Email Messages from phuongdung1...@gmail.com

[kitty hevener]

Mark, thank you.  I was about to let u know of two messages I had received 
earlier with subject brailleme.  Thanks.


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Thanks to Richard Turner, I discovered that a spammer with the email address
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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Mary Otten]

I have not use a braille edge. I do have and have used obviously, the 
brailliant. It connects well. And I prefer its ergonomics to the hymns devices. 
That is a personal choice. Of course, it has no notetaking ability, and I think 
the braille edge has a little bit. I’ve only seen it, never really used it. Did 
not like the ergonomics.
Mary


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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Anthony Vece]

Sandy;

I used the VU20, the SmartBeetle14 and, the Braille Edge40 and, I found that 
all three Braille displays worked well.

But, I found it quite a challenge to connect the VU20 so, I returned it.



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Braille display Comparison

[Sandra E. Finley]

Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, which 
do you prefer with the iPhone?  Thanks.

Sandy Finley


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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Richard Turner]

They made the choice to skip the routing keys because of cost.
One of the APH staff hinted last year that they may be considering a 40 cell 
display, but that could have been a vague reference to the Graphity display 
that is 40 by 60, a multiline display that will show tactile graphics.
Maybe we will hear more after or during CSUN next week.
Richard




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On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:37 PM, M. Taylor > 
wrote:

Hello,

What I find interesting is why neither of these two manufacturers chose not to 
include both routing keys and 8-dot Braille cells in their products.  For my 
money, both of these two features are integral to a full functioning Braille 
display.

Some things in life, truly confound me.

Certainly they must have done some surveys or see the need for both of these 
key features.

Oh well, what is done, is done.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Kitty,

No I have not considered buying a more expensive display. I run on a limited 
budget. Because I have a job, i do not qualify for state assistance. That 
leaves orbit or braille me as most viable choices.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:40 PM, kitty hevener 
> wrote:
chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports.

From: Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.

Regards,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when I 
last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the cursor.  
I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it quickly to 
the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing buttons so much 
that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so efficient to hit 
the button right where your finger is and have the cursor come right there.

From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Cris Ali
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages of 
having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does it 
make a huge difference in practical terms?
Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi

In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be available 
for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the only place to 
purchase the Orbit Reader 20.

There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.

Donna

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Carla,
Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House 

Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Sandra E. Finley]

I have read this thread with interest because I want to buy another Braille 
display; I bought a VarioUltra 20 and I regret that decision, partly because of 
its difficulty connecting with iPhone and now the US office is gone. I am 
reluctant to consider the BrailleMe because it is not based here and I don’t 
want the same experience. Also, I really want more cells, 40 or 32. If an Orbit 
20 cann be $500 or less, could a 40 be $900 or so? Does anyone know if Orbit is 
considering that option?

Sandy Finley
Sandy 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kitty,
> 
> No I have not considered buying a more expensive display. I run on a limited 
> budget. Because I have a job, i do not qualify for state assistance. That 
> leaves orbit or braille me as most viable choices.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:40 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:
> 
>> chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
>> braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
>> hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports. 
>>  
>> From: Cris Ali
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
>> having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
>> editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Cris
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of kitty hevener
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when 
>> I last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show 
>> the cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the 
>> cursor.  I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing 
>> it quickly to the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing 
>> buttons so much that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so 
>> efficient to hit the button right where your finger is and have the cursor 
>> come right there.  
>>  
>> From: Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, 
>> I believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Cris Ali
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages 
>> of having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  
>> Does it make a huge difference in practical terms?
>> Regards,
>> Cris
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Donna
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> Hi
>>  
>> In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
>> available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
>> only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20.
>>  
>> There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
>> information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.
>>  
>> Donna
>>  
>> It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
>> Ali
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> Hi Carla,
>> Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
>> Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message 
>> on the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other 
>> distributer?
>> Regards,
>> Cris
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carla
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>>  
>> If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
>> Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
>> Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about 
>> it but it works very well with the iDevices.
>>  
>> Carla
>>  
>>  
>> From: 

Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[David Andrews]

Well they could have done so but it would’ve increased the cost what is a 
critical feature to one person may not be important to somebody else they made 
their decisions to hold down the cost and you can either buy them or not

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 7:32 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What I find interesting is why neither of these two manufacturers chose not 
> to include both routing keys and 8-dot Braille cells in their products.  For 
> my money, both of these two features are integral to a full functioning 
> Braille display.
> 
> Some things in life, truly confound me.  
> 
> Certainly they must have done some surveys or see the need for both of these 
> key features.
> 
> Oh well, what is done, is done.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> Hi Kitty, 
> 
> No I have not considered buying a more expensive display. I run on a limited 
> budget. Because I have a job, i do not qualify for state assistance. That 
> leaves orbit or braille me as most viable choices.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:40 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:
> chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
> braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
> hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports.  
> 
> From: Cris Ali 
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
> having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
> editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cris
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kitty hevener
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when 
> I last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
> cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the 
> cursor.  I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it 
> quickly to the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing 
> buttons so much that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so 
> efficient to hit the button right where your finger is and have the cursor 
> come right there.   
> 
> From: Andy Baracco 
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
> believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Cris Ali 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages 
> of having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  
> Does it make a huge difference in practical terms?
> Regards,
> Cris
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Donna
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> Hi
> 
> In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
> available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
> only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20. 
> 
> There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
> information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450. 
> 
> Donna
> 
> It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> Hi Carla,
> Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
> Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
> the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other 
> distributer?
> Regards,
> Cris
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carla
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
> 
> If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go 

RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

What I find interesting is why neither of these two manufacturers chose not to 
include both routing keys and 8-dot Braille cells in their products.  For my 
money, both of these two features are integral to a full functioning Braille 
display.

Some things in life, truly confound me.  

Certainly they must have done some surveys or see the need for both of these 
key features.

Oh well, what is done, is done.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Kitty, 

No I have not considered buying a more expensive display. I run on a limited 
budget. Because I have a job, i do not qualify for state assistance. That 
leaves orbit or braille me as most viable choices.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:40 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:
chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports.  
 
From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.
 
Regards,
 
Cris
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when I 
last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the cursor.  
I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it quickly to 
the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing buttons so much 
that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so efficient to hit 
the button right where your finger is and have the cursor come right there.   
 
From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.
 
Andy
 
- Original Message - 
From: Cris Ali 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages of 
having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does it 
make a huge difference in practical terms?
Regards,
Cris
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
Hi
 
In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be available 
for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the only place to 
purchase the Orbit Reader 20. 
 
There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450. 
 
Donna
 
It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
Hi Carla,
Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?
Regards,
Cris
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the Braille 
Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the Orbit and 
it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it but it 
works very well with the iDevices.
 
Carla
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
 
Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and 

Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, but it only lasts for a few seconds, and if you're worried about 
Alexa listening to you you can just say stop at the end of your question 
or just not enable this feature. How would you like to see this feature 
work?



On 03/16/2018 05:48 PM, Jewel wrote:

A slightly amended Cut and paste from the below message:  "You'll know for sure 
if the device is
listening if its * blue indicator is on"  end of c  and what a great help 
that is to a totally
blind user!  Should I ask the Echo if its showing a * blue light, and if it 
doesn't answer, I know
that it isn't!

   Jewel





--
From: "M. Taylor" 
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:08 AM
To: 
Subject: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
listening if its blue indicator is on.

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
background noise.

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go.

Original Article at:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/




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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Cris Ali]

Hi Kitty,

No I have not considered buying a more expensive display. I run on a limited 
budget. Because I have a job, i do not qualify for state assistance. That 
leaves orbit or braille me as most viable choices.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:40 PM, kitty hevener 
> wrote:

chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports.

From: Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.

Regards,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when I 
last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the cursor.  
I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it quickly to 
the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing buttons so much 
that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so efficient to hit 
the button right where your finger is and have the cursor come right there.

From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Cris Ali
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages of 
having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does it 
make a huge difference in practical terms?
Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi

In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be available 
for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the only place to 
purchase the Orbit Reader 20.

There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.

Donna

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Carla,
Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?
Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the Braille 
Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the Orbit and 
it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it but it 
works very well with the iDevices.

Carla


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.
I read the description of both on their 

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Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[Jewel]

A slightly amended Cut and paste from the below message:  "You'll know for sure 
if the device is
listening if its * blue indicator is on"  end of c  and what a great help 
that is to a totally 
blind user!  Should I ask the Echo if its showing a * blue light, and if it 
doesn't answer, I know 
that it isn't!

  Jewel





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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:08 AM
To: 
Subject: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
listening if its blue indicator is on.

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
background noise.

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
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Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[M. Taylor]

Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
listening if its blue indicator is on. 

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
background noise. 

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go. 

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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[kitty hevener]

chris, have you considered something a bit more pricy, but not as high as 
braille note touch or braillesense polaris?  Am thinking braille ddge from 
hims?  I have never used it, but have heard goot reports.  

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.

 

Regards,

 

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when I 
last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the cursor.  
I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it quickly to 
the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing buttons so much 
that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so efficient to hit 
the button right where your finger is and have the cursor come right there.   

 

From: Andy Baracco 

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.

 

Andy

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Cris Ali 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM

  Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages 
of having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does 
it make a huge difference in practical terms?

  Regards,

  Cris

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  Hi

   

  In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20. 

   

  There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450. 

   

  Donna

   

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hi Carla,

Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?

Regards,

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it 
but it works very well with the iDevices.

 

Carla

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.

I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out of 
stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major differences 
are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille me uses the 
six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has routing buttons 
while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound similar.

Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.

 

   

Re: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

[Kathy Brandt]

You will get an email every day. There will be images in the email. Double tap 
on one of them. You will get a choice as to whether to share just that one 
image, or share all images. When you double tap on Cher, if you have it 
installed on your phone, you can put the images into KNFB reader.

On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

I haven’t tried this, but if you have Jaws 2018, you might be able to read the 
jaws feature that recognizes PDF files.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Don Breda
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:52 AM
To: VIPhone google group 
Subject: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:
 
Hi Listers.

I signed up yesterday for USPS informed delivery.
This is a service where in addition to tracking packages you  also get a list 
of the mail that will arrive in your mailbox every day.
I figured it would be a help to at least have an idea if I even care to scan 
the mail in the box or just shred it grin!

Unfortunately using chrome and firefox on the pc and using the informed app on 
the iPhone I have yet to find a way to read the scanned image.

I can't download the image on the pc or read it and I can't read it or share it 
with another app on the iPhone.

Has anyone done this successfully?

IF so please share your wisdom.

Thanks in advance.

Don

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Re: Best Password Manager

[christopher hallsworth]

Agreed, 1Password all the way for me. I use this in combination with iCloud 
keychain since I only have iOS devices and a single macOS computer.

> On 16 Mar 2018, at 17:01, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> Using 1password on iPhones, iPads  and Windows machines. 
> Completely accessible.
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Re: maps on nearby explorer

[Kelly Pierce]

I found the results to be identical for pedestrian routes 1 to 1.5
miles from my current location that are at an angle, regardless of the
address provider chosen. Try it for yourself.

Kelly


On 3/16/18, Paul and Paula Jordan  wrote:
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> major GPS apps and mentioned that google or apple maps work better than the
> NAVTEQ  map when planning a route.  I thought you could choose Google,
> Apple, open street or NAVTEQ maps.  Is this correct when you’re planning a
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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Andy Baracco]

It is a small company in India.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "kitty hevener" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


who makes and sells braille me?

-Original Message- 
From: Andy Baracco

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

It's a new product, and I would imagine that there are business issues, such
as tarifs, currency conversions, etc.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Kay Malmquist" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


My question is, why haven't they found a distributor in the U.S?  I have to
wonder why.  Are their terms more than any distributor want to deal with?
Heck, I'd even consider doing it as there seems to be a lot of interest in
it.  Anyone know what is up with this?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
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Kindness in thinking creates profoundness.
Kindness in giving creates love.
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- Original Message - 
From: "B. J. Maynard" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


hi,
If the brail me is not avalable in the us hasthe developer given any time
line when he might find someone to distribute it here?  Can we get it
directly from developer?

B. J. Maynard
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



From the demos I have herd, the Braille me's refresh rate seems much faster

and quieter.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

another is that BrailleMe has cursor routing keys and Orbit reader does not.
At 08:18 PM 3/15/2018, you wrote:

one big difference between the two is that the Orbit has 8 dot Braille
and the Braille me only has 6 dots.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: llump...@austin.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I think thereâ?Ts going to be an announcement about the braille me
forthcoming at seesun.
(Just tried to make jaws say that right), smile.





From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



Hi



In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be
available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is
the only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20.



There is another low cost braille display that
you can research for information; the Braille
Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.



Donna



Itâ?Ts my understanding now that APH isnâ?Tt shipping orbits until the
summer.





From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



Hi Carla,

Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have
been checking the American Printing House for
the last three weeks, and I continuously find a
message on the website that says: currently out
of stock.  Is there any other distributer?

Regards,

Cris



From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



If you find the routing buttons helpful I would
go ahead and order the Braille Me.  I don't know
if they are similar in price.  I just ordered
the Orbit and it meets my needs very
well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it
but it works very well with the iDevices.



Carla





From:
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<viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: 

RE: Best Password Manager

[Cristóbal]

Using 1password on iPhones, iPads  and Windows machines. 
Completely accessible.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelby carlson
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Best Password Manager

What is the most accessible password manager for the iPhone, especially one 
that also works well on PCs?


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RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Cris Ali]

I agree with you Kitty,  I prefer to have the cursor routing buttons over 
having braille dots seven and eight.  I suppose If I am to do professional 
editing, Dots seven and eight can be very important.

Regards,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when I 
last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the cursor.  
I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it quickly to 
the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing buttons so much 
that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so efficient to hit 
the button right where your finger is and have the cursor come right there.

From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Cris Ali
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages of 
having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does it 
make a huge difference in practical terms?
Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi

In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be available 
for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the only place to 
purchase the Orbit Reader 20.

There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.

Donna

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Carla,
Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?
Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the Braille 
Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the Orbit and 
it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it but it 
works very well with the iDevices.

Carla


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.
I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out of 
stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major differences 
are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille me uses the 
six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has routing buttons 
while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound similar.
Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.

Cheers,
Cris

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Re: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

[Candie Stiles]

I installed this app because I want to figure out how it works. So fard it say 
mai 0. This may be because I just signed up though.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t tried this, but if you have Jaws 2018, you might be able to read 
> the jaws feature that recognizes PDF files.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Don 
> Breda
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:52 AM
> To: VIPhone google group 
> Subject: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:
>  
> Hi Listers.
> 
> I signed up yesterday for USPS informed delivery.
> This is a service where in addition to tracking packages you  also get a list 
> of the mail that will arrive in your mailbox every day.
> I figured it would be a help to at least have an idea if I even care to scan 
> the mail in the box or just shred it grin!
> 
> Unfortunately using chrome and firefox on the pc and using the informed app 
> on the iPhone I have yet to find a way to read the scanned image.
> 
> I can't download the image on the pc or read it and I can't read it or share 
> it with another app on the iPhone.
> 
> Has anyone done this successfully?
> 
> IF so please share your wisdom.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Don
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Re: Best Password Manager

[Gerardo Corripio]

I use on my iPhone All Pass Pro I think it’scalled Does this have a PC app as 
well for Windows7, or a page where the passwords put int the iPhone app, could 
be synced to the PC and vice versa? I’ve been swsaving my passwords in the 
BrailleNote, but if something wre to happen to the unit? Thanks for 
recommendations. 

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 16/03/2018, a la(s) 8:24 a. m., Greg Wocher  escribió:

> Hello,
> Lastpass is a good one to use. The free version of it can be used on multiple 
> devices. It does work on both iOS and the PC as well as the Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> 1Password is good on the iPhone, and they do have a 1Password app for
>> the PC but I think there is a subscription cost involved if you use it
>> on multiple platforms. I have used the 1Password iOS app for several
>> years and have found it very useful and accessible. The free version
>> will let you track log-ins, secure notes, identities, and credit cars.
>> There is a $10 in-app purchase which lets you enter other categories,
>> like wireless router information, specific passwords, driver's
>> license/state ID information, and other things. Anytime I create or
>> update a password, I will go into 1Password and enter that
>> information.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 3/16/18, kelby carlson  wrote:
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>>> that also works well on PCs?
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Re: BrailleMe web site

[michv]

hi thanks for this websight it is interesting that this product doesn’t show 
that it supports jaws when it comes to screen readers the only otptions seem to 
be nvda or vo. from Mich.

From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: BrailleMe web site

richard, thanks.  You can ignore my earlier question about who makes and sells 
braille me.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 9:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: BrailleMe web site

http://innovisiontech.co/brailleme/ 

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Re: BrailleMe web site

[kitty hevener]

richard, thanks.  You can ignore my earlier question about who makes and sells 
braille me.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 9:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: BrailleMe web site

http://innovisiontech.co/brailleme/ 

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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[kitty hevener]

Chris, I have used braille displays for years and am trying to remember when I 
last used dots 7 and 8.  I will tell u that those dots are used to show the 
cursor.  I have also seen times when the full cell is used to show the cursor.  
I think the main issue is not in locating the cursor, but routing it quickly to 
the area you want to edit.  I personally use cursor routing buttons so much 
that if I did not have them, I would go nuts!!! It’s just so efficient to hit 
the button right where your finger is and have the cursor come right there.   

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Off hand, with an 8 dot display, it is very easy to find the cursor.  Also, I 
believe that computer Braille utilyzes dots 7 and 8.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cris Ali 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:02 PM
  Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

  I like to hear from those who use braille displays.  What are the advantages 
of having eight dots braille cells verses having six dots braille cells?  Does 
it make a huge difference in practical terms?

  Regards,

  Cris

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  Hi

   

  In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20. 

   

  There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450. 

   

  Donna

   

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hi Carla,

Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?

Regards,

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it 
but it works very well with the iDevices.

 

Carla

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.

I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out of 
stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major differences 
are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille me uses the 
six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has routing buttons 
while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound similar.

Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.

 

Cheers,

Cris 

 

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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[kitty hevener]

who makes and sells braille me?

-Original Message- 
From: Andy Baracco

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

It's a new product, and I would imagine that there are business issues, such
as tarifs, currency conversions, etc.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Kay Malmquist" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


My question is, why haven't they found a distributor in the U.S?  I have to
wonder why.  Are their terms more than any distributor want to deal with?
Heck, I'd even consider doing it as there seems to be a lot of interest in
it.  Anyone know what is up with this?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "B. J. Maynard" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


hi,
If the brail me is not avalable in the us hasthe developer given any time
line when he might find someone to distribute it here?  Can we get it
directly from developer?

B. J. Maynard
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



From the demos I have herd, the Braille me's refresh rate seems much faster

and quieter.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

another is that BrailleMe has cursor routing keys and Orbit reader does not.
At 08:18 PM 3/15/2018, you wrote:

one big difference between the two is that the Orbit has 8 dot Braille
and the Braille me only has 6 dots.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: llump...@austin.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I think thereâ?Ts going to be an announcement about the braille me
forthcoming at seesun.
(Just tried to make jaws say that right), smile.





From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



Hi



In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be
available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is
the only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20.



There is another low cost braille display that
you can research for information; the Braille
Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450.



Donna



Itâ?Ts my understanding now that APH isnâ?Tt shipping orbits until the
summer.





From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



Hi Carla,

Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have
been checking the American Printing House for
the last three weeks, and I continuously find a
message on the website that says: currently out
of stock.  Is there any other distributer?

Regards,

Cris



From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



If you find the routing buttons helpful I would
go ahead and order the Braille Me.  I don't know
if they are similar in price.  I just ordered
the Orbit and it meets my needs very
well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it
but it works very well with the iDevices.



Carla





From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?



Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have acquired and used
the orbit braille reader or braille me and used them with iOS devices.

I read the description of both on their
respective websites, but very interesting to

RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Richard Turner]

If you have lots of money there is.
HIMS BrailleSense Polaris 32 cell, $5,795.00, 
https://hims-inc.com/products/braillesense-polaris/
and Humanware’s BrailleNote Touch 32 cell, $5495.00 
http://www.humanware.com/microsite/bntouch/index.php

They both make an 18 cell model too, which cost less of course.

Richard





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

hi all jumping in on this topic. i am wondering for those of us who use jaws 
and so are used to useing speech and not braille are there any options left for 
those who want to use a braille display with speech output? years and years ago 
i had a braille and speek that i was told at the time that i had to use in 
school when i was going tos chool at the wrms school for the blind in ontario. 
in all of my years there i never saw one studint useing this. i can remember 
not doing that well with this since i just wasn’t getting the cord consept and 
keystrokes etc. so i was wondering if there were any options for those of us 
who would like to use braille but who also want to have something with speech 
output as well. i also like the idea that the braille me has 6 dot braille 
since i am not used to ate dot braille. from Mich.

From: alia robinson
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I had an orbit for a bit, not impressed. almost everyone who got one in this 
early run had dots that wouldn’t come up. I got a refund. I was hoping for a 
cheap backup, but it’s not going to be orbit. I can see one or two with dots 
not working, but almost *all* of them?!

On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Cris Ali 
> wrote:

That is my understanding too.  That is why I asked my question, hoping to find 
people on this list who have hand on experience with these displays to help me 
decide if it is worth waiting for the Orbit Reader, or going with the Braille 
me. Reading the descriptions is very different from actually seeing the real 
products.

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Re: Help Needed with Screen Recording not Capturing Audio

[Godwin Adoyi]

Hi Sieghard,
Thank you so much. I always love your detailed explanations. Keep it up.

 With best regards,

Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:15:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help Needed with Screen Recording not Capturing Audio

Hi Godwin,

I finally grabbed my bluetooth speaker which also has a 3.5mm input jack so it 
can be used as a bluetooth speaker or as a wired speaker. When I used it 
wirelessly via bluetooth Voiceover switched to the phone’s earpiece as soon as 
I turned on screen recording. However, when I used a 3.5mm male-to-male cable 
to connect my iPhone’s headphone jack to the speaker’s input jack screen 
recording worked fine, Voiceover continued to play through the external speaker 
after I started screen recording.

I did try various other options such as turning off audio ducking, turning off 
automatic switching to speaker for phone calls in Voiceover Settings > Audio 
and also in Accessibility Settings > Audio Routing I switched the setting from 
automatic to speaker, but none of these things helped. Each time when I tried 
screen recording Voiceover switched to the earpiece and the only work-around 
currently as far as I am concerned is to connect an external speaker using a 
wired connection.

I should say also that I have an iPhone 6S Plus and I am using the iOS 11.3 
public beta 5 so while many may still be on 11.2.6 it does not appear that this 
bug is fixed in 11.3 at least not so far. My guess is there might be one more 
beta 6 next Monday or Tuesday, March 19 or 20 and that the iOS 11.3 public 
release will follow the week after, between Monday, March 26 and Wednesday, 
March 28. Of course it is quite possible that public beta 5 was the last beta 
and that iOS 11.3 will be released to the public next week.

I will again write to Apple Accessibility and tell them that in my opinion this 
is a bug and hopefully others will do so as well.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Godwin 
Adoyi Agada
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help Needed with Screen Recording not Capturing Audio

Hi,
It doesn’t work with external speaker either. I have tried it.
Regards,
Godwin Adoyi

Rgards,
Godwin Adoyi Agada
Skype: Gadoyi
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help Needed with Screen Recording not Capturing Audio

It is a bug, screen recording used to capture audio just fine, but at this 
point it does not work any more since Voiceover switches to the earpiece. If 
you turn it up all the way you can just barely hear it on the recording.
You could try to plug in an external speaker, haven’t tried this, but it may 
work.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 8:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help Needed with Screen Recording not Capturing Audio

Anna,

Thanks so much for the quick reply. The funny thing is that when I follow your 
instructions and turn the microphone on,Voiceover goes quiet and I have to lock 
my iPhone 7 running iOS 11.2.6 to get it back. I seem to recall reading about 
an issue with the screen recorder and maybe I've just stepped into it. I really 
want to be able to use this feature to record video with the Voiceover audio 
but I'm either still leaving off a step or something is not working right.

Thanks again.

Alan

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:31 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Help Needed with Screen Recording not Capturing Audio

Hi alan,

It sounds like the mic was off during the recording. To turn it on, press hard 
on the Screen Recording button if you have 3D Touch, or double-tap and hold it, 
flick to Open Controls, and double-tap. You'll be able to turn the mic on on 
the screen that opens. Once it's on, it should be on for all future recordings 
unless you turn it off.

Best,
Anna




On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Alan Lemly 
> wrote:

Hello List,

I apologize if this has already been addressed but it wasn't pertinent to me 
then if it has.

I'm reporting an issue with one of my apps and their support person has asked 
that I capture a screen recording that plays the video and audio of what I'm 
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Re: Best Password Manager

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Lastpass is a good one to use. The free version of it can be used on multiple 
devices. It does work on both iOS and the PC as well as the Mac.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> 1Password is good on the iPhone, and they do have a 1Password app for
> the PC but I think there is a subscription cost involved if you use it
> on multiple platforms. I have used the 1Password iOS app for several
> years and have found it very useful and accessible. The free version
> will let you track log-ins, secure notes, identities, and credit cars.
> There is a $10 in-app purchase which lets you enter other categories,
> like wireless router information, specific passwords, driver's
> license/state ID information, and other things. Anytime I create or
> update a password, I will go into 1Password and enter that
> information.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 3/16/18, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> What is the most accessible password manager for the iPhone, especially one
>> that also works well on PCs?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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maps on nearby explorer

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi all.  Someone on this list was discussing the difference between the 3
major GPS apps and mentioned that google or apple maps work better than the
NAVTEQ  map when planning a route.  I thought you could choose Google,
Apple, open street or NAVTEQ maps.  Is this correct when you’re planning a
route?  I’m very new to this app.  Thanks.

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RE: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

[Tom Rash]

I haven’t tried this, but if you have Jaws 2018, you might be able to read the 
jaws feature that recognizes PDF files.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Don Breda
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:52 AM
To: VIPhone google group 
Subject: USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

 

Hi Listers.

I signed up yesterday for USPS informed delivery.
This is a service where in addition to tracking packages you  also get a list 
of the mail that will arrive in your mailbox every day.
I figured it would be a help to at least have an idea if I even care to scan 
the mail in the box or just shred it grin!

Unfortunately using chrome and firefox on the pc and using the informed app on 
the iPhone I have yet to find a way to read the scanned image.

I can't download the image on the pc or read it and I can't read it or share it 
with another app on the iPhone.

Has anyone done this successfully?

IF so please share your wisdom.

Thanks in advance.

Don

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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
No not almost everyone had units with issues. There was actually only a few of 
us that had issues. Most did not. There are units that are over a year old 
running fine. I was one who had a defective unit and I have already received my 
replacement unit and it is working fine. As for displays with speech, the only 
ones I know of are ones like the polaris or b2g units. These range from close 
to $3000 to $6000
. 
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 9:55 AM,   wrote:
> 
> hi all jumping in on this topic. i am wondering for those of us who use jaws 
> and so are used to useing speech and not braille are there any options left 
> for those who want to use a braille display with speech output? years and 
> years ago i had a braille and speek that i was told at the time that i had to 
> use in school when i was going tos chool at the wrms school for the blind in 
> ontario. in all of my years there i never saw one studint useing this. i can 
> remember not doing that well with this since i just wasn’t getting the cord 
> consept and keystrokes etc. so i was wondering if there were any options for 
> those of us who would like to use braille but who also want to have something 
> with speech output as well. i also like the idea that the braille me has 6 
> dot braille since i am not used to ate dot braille. from Mich. 
>  
> From: alia robinson <>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:16 AM
> To:  <>viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?
>  
> I had an orbit for a bit, not impressed. almost everyone who got one in this 
> early run had dots that wouldn’t come up. I got a refund. I was hoping for a 
> cheap backup, but it’s not going to be orbit. I can see one or two with dots 
> not working, but almost *all* of them?!
>  
> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Cris Ali < <>filasti...@hotmail.com 
> > wrote:
>  
> That is my understanding too.  That is why I asked my question, hoping to 
> find people on this list who have hand on experience with these displays to 
> help me decide if it is worth waiting for the Orbit Reader, or going with the 
> Braille me. Reading the descriptions is very different from actually seeing 
> the real products.
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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Russ Kiehne]

Buddy Brannan  has both displays and you can hear about them in the 
following podcast.


http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/www.blindbargains.com/audio/bbq136.mp3

-Original Message- 
From: Andy Baracco

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Yes!

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Byrne" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?


Does BrailleMe function as a stand-alone notetaker?  Orbit reader does.
At 07:36 PM 3/15/2018, you wrote:
That is my understanding too.  That is why I asked my question, hoping to 
find people on this list who have hand on experience with these displays to 
help me decide if it is worth waiting for the Orbit Reader, or going with 
the Braille me. Reading the descriptions is very different from actually 
seeing the real products.

Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of llump...@austin.rr.com

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the 
summer.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hi Carla,
Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message 
on the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other 
distributer?

Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn 
about it but it works very well with the iDevices.


Carla


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.
I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out 
of stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major 
differences are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the 
braille me uses the six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille 
me has routing buttons while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions 
they sound similar.
Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.


Cheers,
Cris

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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[michv]

hi all jumping in on this topic. i am wondering for those of us who use jaws 
and so are used to useing speech and not braille are there any options left for 
those who want to use a braille display with speech output? years and years ago 
i had a braille and speek that i was told at the time that i had to use in 
school when i was going tos chool at the wrms school for the blind in ontario. 
in all of my years there i never saw one studint useing this. i can remember 
not doing that well with this since i just wasn’t getting the cord consept and 
keystrokes etc. so i was wondering if there were any options for those of us 
who would like to use braille but who also want to have something with speech 
output as well. i also like the idea that the braille me has 6 dot braille 
since i am not used to ate dot braille. from Mich. 

From: alia robinson 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I had an orbit for a bit, not impressed. almost everyone who got one in this 
early run had dots that wouldn’t come up. I got a refund. I was hoping for a 
cheap backup, but it’s not going to be orbit. I can see one or two with dots 
not working, but almost *all* of them?!


On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

That is my understanding too.  That is why I asked my question, hoping to find 
people on this list who have hand on experience with these displays to help me 
decide if it is worth waiting for the Orbit Reader, or going with the Braille 
me. Reading the descriptions is very different from actually seeing the real 
products.



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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Russ Kiehne]

You’ll be able to find out a lot about both ddisplays next week at csun.  Blind 
Bargains will be there and be doing podcasts on both displays.

From: Carla 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the Braille 
Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the Orbit and 
it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it but it 
works very well with the iDevices.

 

Carla

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.

I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out of 
stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major differences 
are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille me uses the 
six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has routing buttons 
while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound similar.

Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.

 

Cheers,

Cris 

 

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Re: Google Assistant with voiceover?

[Devin Prater]

You can also do a two-finger double-tap to have Assistant start listening. I 
think you have to do that tap again to stop listening, though.

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 7:51 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, Tom! I just investigated the settings in the Google (search) 
> app and after I turned Voice Search “ok, google” off and then back on again, 
> now when I open the Google Assistant app, I can wait for voiceover to stop 
> chattering and then use “ok, google” to launch a search 
> Cheers
> Harry
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 12:23, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> 
>> That happens to me sometimes.  I usually, after the microphone is selected, 
>> do a three finger double tap to mute Voice Over.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Harry 
>> Bell
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:06 AM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Google Assistant with voiceover?
>> 
>> I have just downloaded the Google assistant app on my iPhone 7+ and when I 
>> tap on the microphone to ask Google a question, voice-over reads out “open 
>> microphone” and this phrase is written in by Google assistant to the start 
>> of every request. This seems to mess everything up! Have I missed some 
>> setting I ought to know about with this Google assistant app?
>> Cheers Harry
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Re: Google Assistant with voiceover?

[Harry Bell]

Thanks for that, Tom! I just investigated the settings in the Google (search) 
app and after I turned Voice Search “ok, google” off and then back on again, 
now when I open the Google Assistant app, I can wait for voiceover to stop 
chattering and then use “ok, google” to launch a search 
Cheers
Harry

> On 16 Mar 2018, at 12:23, Tom Rash  wrote:
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> That happens to me sometimes.  I usually, after the microphone is selected, 
> do a three finger double tap to mute Voice Over.
> 
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> I have just downloaded the Google assistant app on my iPhone 7+ and when I 
> tap on the microphone to ask Google a question, voice-over reads out “open 
> microphone” and this phrase is written in by Google assistant to the start of 
> every request. This seems to mess everything up! Have I missed some setting I 
> ought to know about with this Google assistant app?
> Cheers Harry
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USPS informed delivery and the iPhone a question:

[Don Breda]

Hi Listers.

I signed up yesterday for USPS informed delivery.
This is a service where in addition to tracking packages you  also get a 
list of the mail that will arrive in your mailbox every day.
I figured it would be a help to at least have an idea if I even care to 
scan the mail in the box or just shred it grin!


Unfortunately using chrome and firefox on the pc and using the informed 
app on the iPhone I have yet to find a way to read the scanned image.


I can't download the image on the pc or read it and I can't read it or 
share it with another app on the iPhone.


Has anyone done this successfully?

IF so please share your wisdom.

Thanks in advance.

Don

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Re: Best Password Manager

[Wayne Merritt]

1Password is good on the iPhone, and they do have a 1Password app for
the PC but I think there is a subscription cost involved if you use it
on multiple platforms. I have used the 1Password iOS app for several
years and have found it very useful and accessible. The free version
will let you track log-ins, secure notes, identities, and credit cars.
There is a $10 in-app purchase which lets you enter other categories,
like wireless router information, specific passwords, driver's
license/state ID information, and other things. Anytime I create or
update a password, I will go into 1Password and enter that
information.

Wayne

On 3/16/18, kelby carlson  wrote:
> What is the most accessible password manager for the iPhone, especially one
> that also works well on PCs?
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RE: Google Assistant with voiceover?

[Tom Rash]

That happens to me sometimes.  I usually, after the microphone is selected, do 
a three finger double tap to mute Voice Over.


-Original Message-
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Bell
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 5:06 AM
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Subject: Google Assistant with voiceover?

I have just downloaded the Google assistant app on my iPhone 7+ and when I tap 
on the microphone to ask Google a question, voice-over reads out “open 
microphone” and this phrase is written in by Google assistant to the start of 
every request. This seems to mess everything up! Have I missed some setting I 
ought to know about with this Google assistant app?
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Best Password Manager

[kelby carlson]

What is the most accessible password manager for the iPhone, especially one 
that also works well on PCs?


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Google Assistant with voiceover?

[Harry Bell]

I have just downloaded the Google assistant app on my iPhone 7+ and when I tap 
on the microphone to ask Google a question, voice-over reads out “open 
microphone” and this phrase is written in by Google assistant to the start of 
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RE: The IOS Tips App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

According to Ian the standard gesture to change pages, a 3-finger swipe from 
the right side of the screen towards the left side, seems to work.
This is the same as the gesture you use to change from one Homepage to the next 
and it is often used after an App is first installed and some informational 
pages are displayed where you have to make it to the last one of those before 
you can find an "OK, got it" or "Done" button.

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Fettgather
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Subject: Re: The IOS Tips App

Thanks for asking, I tried every conceivable gesture, all 1, 2, and 3 finger 
gestures. from right to left, and up and down, could not get anything to work.

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Did you try a 3-finger swipe from right to left or bottom to top?

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Fettgather
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The IOS Tips App

Hello.
I have found the beginning of many great articles in the Tips app.
However, they always say, 1 of 5, or 1 of 10, but there seems to be no way to 
advanced to the next page.
Double tap, double tap and hold, nothing works, and there seems to be no way to 
adjust that slider.
Anyone notice this behavior in IOS 11.2.5?
Thanks a lot.

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Re: The IOS Tips App

[Jim Fettgather]

Thanks for asking, I tried every conceivable gesture, all 1, 2, and 3 finger 
gestures. from right to left, and up and down, could not get anything to 
work.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 1:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The IOS Tips App

Did you try a 3-finger swipe from right to left or bottom to top?

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Fettgather

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The IOS Tips App

Hello.
I have found the beginning of many great articles in the Tips app.
However, they always say, 1 of 5, or 1 of 10, but there seems to be no way 
to advanced to the next page.
Double tap, double tap and hold, nothing works, and there seems to be no way 
to adjust that slider.

Anyone notice this behavior in IOS 11.2.5?
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Re: The IOS Tips App

[Ian Harrison]

Hi, three finger swipe right to left works. Thanks for the question and answer 
to this. It has been frustrating me for a long time
Ian
> On 16 Mar 2018, at 06:31, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Did you try a 3-finger swipe from right to left or bottom to top?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim 
> Fettgather
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The IOS Tips App
> 
> Hello.
> I have found the beginning of many great articles in the Tips app.
> However, they always say, 1 of 5, or 1 of 10, but there seems to be no way to 
> advanced to the next page.
> Double tap, double tap and hold, nothing works, and there seems to be no way 
> to adjust that slider.
> Anyone notice this behavior in IOS 11.2.5?
> Thanks a lot.
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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

I don’t want to talk too fast burt, I have used the orbit 20 since October 
of 2017 and had no problems.  Andy and Shubert

From: alia robinson 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

I had an orbit for a bit, not impressed. almost everyone who got one in this 
early run had dots that wouldn’t come up. I got a refund. I was hoping for a 
cheap backup, but it’s not going to be orbit. I can see one or two with dots 
not working, but almost *all* of them?!


On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

That is my understanding too.  That is why I asked my question, hoping to find 
people on this list who have hand on experience with these displays to help me 
decide if it is worth waiting for the Orbit Reader, or going with the Braille 
me. Reading the descriptions is very different from actually seeing the real 
products.



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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hi, I have the Orbit 20 display and love it.  Keep in mind that this is the 
first braille display that I have ever used.  The only thing I would wish it 
had more is, 40 cells.  I have pared it with my Iphone 6s and makes it much 
better to type information into a post on Facebook and to read books and take 
notes.  Andy and Shubert

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

one big difference between the two is that the Orbit has 8 dot Braille and the 
Braille me only has 6 dots.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: llump...@austin.rr.com 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:01 PM
  Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

  I think there’s going to be an announcement about the braille me forthcoming 
at seesun. (Just tried to make jaws say that right), smile.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

   

  Hi

   

  In the March edition of APH newsletter the Orbit Reader 20 should be 
available for purchase again sometime this summer. Unfortunately APH is the 
only place to purchase the Orbit Reader 20. 

   

  There is another low cost braille display that you can research for 
information; the Braille Me. I think the price for the Braille me is $450. 

   

  Donna

   

It’s my understanding now that APH isn’t shipping orbits until the summer.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hi Carla,

Where did you order your orbit reader?  I have been checking the American 
Printing House for the last three weeks, and I continuously find a message on 
the website that says: currently out of stock.  Is there any other distributer?

Regards,

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

If you find the routing buttons helpful I would go ahead and order the 
Braille Me.  I don't know if they are similar in price.  I just ordered the 
Orbit and it meets my needs very well.  There is a lot I have to learn about it 
but it works very well with the iDevices.

 

Carla

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

 

Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have acquired and used the orbit braille reader or 
braille me and used them with iOS devices.

I read the description of both on their respective websites, but very 
interesting to hear the views of people who have actually  have hand on 
experience with these devices.  I know that the orbit reader is already out of 
stock.  I am not sure why so quickly!  I also know that the major differences 
are first the orbit uses the eight braille dots while the braille me uses the 
six dots.  The second major difference is that Braille me has routing buttons 
while the orbit does not.  In other descriptions they sound similar.

Any input on this topic will be extremely appreciated.  I am not sure if I 
should wait for the orbit to be back in stock, or go ahead and order the 
braille me.

 

Cheers,

Cris 

 

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Re: Braille displays: braille me or orbit braille reader?

[alia robinson]

I had an orbit for a bit, not impressed. almost everyone who got one in this 
early run had dots that wouldn’t come up. I got a refund. I was hoping for a 
cheap backup, but it’s not going to be orbit. I can see one or two with dots 
not working, but almost *all* of them?!

On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

That is my understanding too.  That is why I asked my question, hoping to find 
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decide if it is worth waiting for the Orbit Reader, or going with the Braille 
me. Reading the descriptions is very different from actually seeing the real 
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RE: The IOS Tips App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you try a 3-finger swipe from right to left or bottom to top?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim 
Fettgather
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The IOS Tips App

Hello.
I have found the beginning of many great articles in the Tips app.
However, they always say, 1 of 5, or 1 of 10, but there seems to be no way to 
advanced to the next page.
Double tap, double tap and hold, nothing works, and there seems to be no way to 
adjust that slider.
Anyone notice this behavior in IOS 11.2.5?
Thanks a lot.

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