Re: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess

[Gary Petraccaro]

ITunes doesn't break anything.  It doesn't change itself.  It's not iTunes.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cher Bosch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:51 PM
  Subject: RE: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess


  Yes! This is especially true when iTunes keeps breaking things on each new 
incremental update. It seems egotistical and insane for them to suggest that 
the screen readers should come out with a fix every month or so for what they 
have arbitrarily broken L

   

  Cher

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 4:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess

   

  I think this is definitely an Apple Accessibility issue since while the 
screenreader makers like Jaws/Window Eyes, NVDA etc. also need to do their 
part, I think there ust is not enough cooperation between Apple and them. It’s 
like Microsoft and Jaws, if you listened to Jonathan’s recent Podcast where he 
interviewed this guy from Microsoft who said that Microsoft has done and is 
doing a bunch of stuff to make things better and they are providing Jaws with 
the framework to make the experience better. It seems to me that Apple somehow 
is not doing this with iTunes and this comes down to a basic commitment by 
Apple to make iTunes as accessible as possible on the Mac with Voiceover and on 
the PC with Jaws, Window Eyes and NVDA.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:38 AM
  To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
  Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess

   

  Hi Sieghard,

   

  Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, 
Keith

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess

   

  Hi Larry and others,

   

  There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 
12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions 
of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you 
use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are 
not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago 
it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it 
said, now it will just say List View.

  I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less 
frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on 
my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can 
only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when 
Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. 
Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. 
There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out 
of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 
messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly 
be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not 
make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to 
think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has 
done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess

   

  Hi.  I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went 
and downloaded and installed it.  Big mistake.  Does anyone know how I can get 
back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on.  Or play 
lists at least.

   

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Re: album view in today's iTunes update

[Gary Petraccaro]

I can't find the podcasts at all.  Any help on this one?
Going to start looking at Android.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cher Bosch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:57 PM
  Subject: album view in today's iTunes update


  If anyone has been brave enough to install it, can the albums be read at all 
in windows with a screen reader? Using version 12.4.1.6 now with latest JAWS 
and can find no way to read them. Thanks much.

  Cher

   


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Re: Another good Voice Dream Reader voice.

[Gary Petraccaro]

Grimm: the Icy Touch, from Bookshare as I hope I said.

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From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Another good Voice Dream Reader voice.



Which title is it?
There is the pronunciation dictionary so you can get the name pronounced 
phonetically.

'The problem may also be the format. Not all books are created equal.
Richard


"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." -Victor Hugo
(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Gary Petraccaro <garypet...@gmail.com> wrote:

I downloaded one of the Grimm related novels from BookShare.  One of the 
characters is named Whu (believe that's the spelling).  For whatever 
reason no voice I tried regardless of group of voice could handle the name 
and the reading of that writing style was unlistenable.
I tried to follow the punctuation but couldn't get the VDR to read the 
characters and punctuation so I could follow it.  I'm not making a comment 
on the voices or the software.  It's probably my lack of proficiency in 
handling the software that got in the way of my figuring out what was 
causing the problem with the reading in general.


- Original Message - From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerr...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Another good Voice Dream Reader voice.



I really haven't gotten into different voices, figuring that I can
adjust to most anything, and that different voices are very subjective
to each person listening and what they like or don't like. However,
with this discussion, I went back and browsed through all the
available voices; wow! I ended up getting James, and after my wife
heard him, she was very surprised that it was a TTS voice and not
someone speaking. She liked Sally the best. So now I've got some
choice when I want to read files or BookShare books. BTW, thanks to
the people that have pointed out that BookShare is very easy to browse
and download from, I never realized. I just might extend my BookShare
membership on that fact alone, grin.

Wayne


On 7/8/16, englishride...@gmail.com <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
My biggest problem with most Acapela and Ivona voices is that they kind 
of
have this weird up-and-down internation in the middle of words. It's 
very
sudden and jerky-sounding to me, and sort of sounds like the voice was 
put
through auto tuning. All the NeoSpeech voices sound a lot smoother when 
they

speak, at least in my oppinion. However, this is why we have choice, and
it's great to see so many options in Voice Dream Reader.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com>

wrote:


My personal favorite is Amy from Ivona which I usually have set at 375 
or

395, depending on what I'm reading.
Richard


(From a poster of a church cemetery)
When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult 
only

for the others.

It's the same when you are stupid.
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:50 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

Besides Kate and James, I'm really starting to like Ashley from
NeoSpeech. I have her set to read at 255 words per minute, just like 
Kate
and James, both also from NeoSpeech, but I have her pitch set at 120. 
I

also sometimes use Bridget from NeoSpeech on occasion, but I have her
left at defaults, other than altering her words per minute, also set 
at

255.

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Re: Help with iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've gotten that too from one person but a couple of others were quite nice 
and at minimum tried to be helpful.  Don't let the luck of the draw dissuade 
you from trying again.  That's assuming, of course, that what you want to do 
is doable to begin with.


- Original Message - 
From: "Cher Bosch" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Help with iTunes


And when I called, the tech made it clear that since I'm using windows and a 
3rd party software (JFW), it is up to FS to keep up with all the things 
Apple breaks with each new release! Very irritating!

Cher


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 5:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help with iTunes

Hi, yep, I'd be very happy! I haven't written on this recently but, to be 
honest, I am seriously taking a look elsewhere because I'm sick of the 
constant change in the app and the things that are difficult to visualise, 
slow to move to and change every time there's a new version, not to mention 
those things that just don't work after a new version comes out. It's not 
good enough in my book and certainly spoils what I still consider to be the 
very best device out there so far as accessability is concerned.



I am wondering if Apple's policy is that everyone who can't manage iTunes, 
or doesn't want to bother with it, doesn't have to as they can use the Cloud 
and download all the music from - well, guess where! 



No, we already have lots of music and want to use it ...


Yes, we still have a Windows PC and the learning curve with a Mac was too 
great for me so I gave it up ...



You're welcome to pass this on!


Carol P




On 11/07/2016 10:40, Christopher huby wrote:
hi everyone many thanks for all your help I'm glad it's not just me that 
having this problem is everybody happy for me to forward the emails I've 
received to Apple so that we can show them that everybody is having 
problems if this is okay and if the moderators are happy with it please 
let me know and I'll do my very best to make sure we get this straight 
through to Apple direct


On 11 Jul 2016, at 00:09, Cher Bosch  wrote:

Richard is correct about the latest version- and in that version I cannot 
read the albums in the list at all. Please call Apple and I will also.


Cher


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher huby

Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help with iTunes

Hi it is the latest version of iTunes I think it is version 12.3

Regards

Christopher huby

On 9 Jul 2016, at 19:21, Richard Turner  
wrote:


What version of iTunes?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher huby

Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Help with iTunes

Hi all please can some one tell me how I can select an album in iTunes so 
I can convert it to MP3 format


All I get when I am in the list of albums table is jaws saying blank or it 
doesn't say anything at all


Many thanks

Regards

Christopher huby



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Re: Reliable, and accessible, news applications

[Gary Petraccaro]

I had BBC News and Fox both sending me notifications.  Got to be ridiculous. 
I swear it helped shorten kill my battery's life in a day.


- Original Message - 
From: "Monica Jones" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Reliable, and accessible, news applications



Yes, I can see why you wouldn't, but for breaking news, it would be nice.


-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reliable, and accessible, news applications

True, but I don't really want them from my rss feeds.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Monica Jones  wrote:

I like that one too, Mary, but I find it doesn't give me push 
notifications.



-Original Message- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reliable, and accessible, news applications

I like newsify. For rss feeds.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Larry Lumpkin  
wrote:


I like lire for rss feeds and icatcher for podcasts.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:00 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: Reliable, and accessible, news applications

I like NFB-Newsline as my go to for a variety of news. No audio, though, 
but one can find a wide range of newspapers and magazines, from each 
state, nationally, and internationally.


Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Terri Stimmel

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:11 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Reliable, and accessible, news applications

Hello to all of you,

I am sure this have been discussed before.
However, I am looking for a news source, that is reliable, and pretty 
much fully accessible. Does anything like this exist? I tried using CNN, 
but I was not very impressed with it.


I would like an application that would let me play audio, as well as let 
me read articles.
Is this possible? If anyone can help me out, I would greatly appreciate 
it.


Thank you,

Terri

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Re: Help with iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

Is this iTunes for PC or iTunes for PC and Mac we're talking about?  I can 
only speak for PC and there, I've given up.  I'm either downloading my 
podcasts manually in one case and everything else I've moved to another 
program.


- Original Message - 
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Help with iTunes


Hi, yep, I'd be very happy! I haven't written on this recently but, to
be honest, I am seriously taking a look elsewhere because I'm sick of
the constant change in the app and the things that are difficult to
visualise, slow to move to and change every time there's a new version,
not to mention those things that just don't work after a new version
comes out. It's not good enough in my book and certainly spoils what I
still consider to be the very best device out there so far as
accessability is concerned.


I am wondering if Apple's policy is that everyone who can't manage
iTunes, or doesn't want to bother with it, doesn't have to as they can
use the Cloud and download all the music from - well, guess where! 


No, we already have lots of music and want to use it ...


Yes, we still have a Windows PC and the learning curve with a Mac was
too great for me so I gave it up ...


You're welcome to pass this on!


Carol P




On 11/07/2016 10:40, Christopher huby wrote:
hi everyone many thanks for all your help I'm glad it's not just me that 
having this problem is everybody happy for me to forward the emails I've 
received to Apple so that we can show them that everybody is having 
problems if this is okay and if the moderators are happy with it please 
let me know and I'll do my very best to make sure we get this straight 
through to Apple direct


On 11 Jul 2016, at 00:09, Cher Bosch  wrote:

Richard is correct about the latest version- and in that version I cannot 
read the albums in the list at all. Please call Apple and I will also.


Cher


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher huby

Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help with iTunes

Hi it is the latest version of iTunes I think it is version 12.3

Regards

Christopher huby

On 9 Jul 2016, at 19:21, Richard Turner  
wrote:


What version of iTunes?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher huby

Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Help with iTunes

Hi all please can some one tell me how I can select an album in iTunes so 
I can convert it to MP3 format


All I get when I am in the list of albums table is jaws saying blank or it 
doesn't say anything at all


Many thanks

Regards

Christopher huby



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iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

Did you communicate with Apple about this?  I could sure use some backup 
when

trying to notify Apple about the direction ease of use is going with iTunes.

- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: why do people use voicedream reader just curious



I just wished Apple had left things the way they were in itunes 11.  In the
current version of itunes, there is a lot more work to use file sharing!

-Original Message- 
From: Monica Jones

Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why do people use voicedream reader just curious

Yes, that's true, but I'd still rather use Dropbox as I don't really care
for ITunes. However, in the past, I have used it for file sharig. It seems
that with all the inaccessibility problems with ITunes these days, file
sharing would be more difficult but I haven't fooled with it.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why do people use voicedream reader just curious

NO, I use itunes file sharing.  Each file is over 600mb in size.  Dropbox
would take a lot longer to do the transfer.

-Original Message- 
From: Monica Jones

Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why do people use voicedream reader just curious

When you listen to your Old radio shows, do you import them to Dropbox?
That's what I've done with audio files. Just wondering if you do them
another way.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why do people use voicedream reader just curious

Voice dream reader is one of my favorite apps.  I use it to read books
from
bookshare, listen to my collection of old time radio shows and books in
the
epub format.

-Original Message- 
From: Eden Kizer

Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why do people use voicedream reader just curious

Hi, I'm just curious why do people use voicedream reader when we can read
with voiceover to read pretty much anything. Just curious what is the
advantage? Just curious since so many people seem to love it.

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Re: A Question for Facebook App Users Regarding the Viewing of Timeline or Group Feeds in Chronological Order

[Gary Petraccaro]

This may be a new feature you have to go into settings to fix.  One option 
is chronology as I remember.  It was described in a tip on blindbargains.com

Good luck.

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 5:33 PM
Subject: A Question for Facebook App Users Regarding the Viewing of Timeline 
or Group Feeds in Chronological Order




Hello Everyone,

It seems that when I view a group feed in the Facebook app, the individual
member posts are not necessarily sorted into chronological order, from
newest to oldest.

Is there a way to sort either my timeline feed or group feeds into
chronological order?

The steps I use to view a group feed is as follows:

1.
From within the Facebook app, select the More tab, located near the bottom
right corner of the display.

2.
Select Groups.

3.
Select a group, of which I am a member.

All replies appreciated.

Mark

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Re: Another good Voice Dream Reader voice.

[Gary Petraccaro]

I downloaded one of the Grimm related novels from BookShare.  One of the 
characters is named Whu (believe that's the spelling).  For whatever reason 
no voice I tried regardless of group of voice could handle the name and the 
reading of that writing style was unlistenable.
I tried to follow the punctuation but couldn't get the VDR to read the 
characters and punctuation so I could follow it.  I'm not making a comment 
on the voices or the software.  It's probably my lack of proficiency in 
handling the software that got in the way of my figuring out what was 
causing the problem with the reading in general.


- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Merritt" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Another good Voice Dream Reader voice.



I really haven't gotten into different voices, figuring that I can
adjust to most anything, and that different voices are very subjective
to each person listening and what they like or don't like. However,
with this discussion, I went back and browsed through all the
available voices; wow! I ended up getting James, and after my wife
heard him, she was very surprised that it was a TTS voice and not
someone speaking. She liked Sally the best. So now I've got some
choice when I want to read files or BookShare books. BTW, thanks to
the people that have pointed out that BookShare is very easy to browse
and download from, I never realized. I just might extend my BookShare
membership on that fact alone, grin.

Wayne

On 7/8/16, englishride...@gmail.com  wrote:
My biggest problem with most Acapela and Ivona voices is that they kind 
of

have this weird up-and-down internation in the middle of words. It's very
sudden and jerky-sounding to me, and sort of sounds like the voice was 
put
through auto tuning. All the NeoSpeech voices sound a lot smoother when 
they

speak, at least in my oppinion. However, this is why we have choice, and
it's great to see so many options in Voice Dream Reader.


Thanks,
Ari


On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Richard Turner 
wrote:


My personal favorite is Amy from Ivona which I usually have set at 375 
or

395, depending on what I'm reading.
Richard


(From a poster of a church cemetery)
When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult 
only

for the others.

It's the same when you are stupid.
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:50 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

Besides Kate and James, I'm really starting to like Ashley from
NeoSpeech. I have her set to read at 255 words per minute, just like 
Kate

and James, both also from NeoSpeech, but I have her pitch set at 120. I
also sometimes use Bridget from NeoSpeech on occasion, but I have her
left at defaults, other than altering her words per minute, also set at
255.

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Ap Store Checking Items in iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've been trying to check a credit card type in the Ap Store in the PC iTunes, 
latest version.  Can't get credit card type to check with WE 9.1 or latest 
NVDA.  Tried spacebar simulated left mouse click and return.  Any ideas or 
suggestions?
Thanks.

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Re: Did They Fix iTunes For Windows?

[Gary Petraccaro]

That's exactly what I heard from another knuckle-dragger when I called them 
months ago.  On the other hand, I did speak with a very aware lady within the 
last few weeks and the experience was very much the opposite.  And after 
talking with her, she did say she was going to explain to the engineers what 
had been broken as far as my issues were concerned.  Some of the accessibility 
people go far above and beyond and some just put in their time.  That happens 
everywhere and should surprise nobody.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Did They Fix iTunes For Windows?




  i only know about iTunes 12.4.1.
  It is beyond awful with a screen reader.
  I called Apple Accessibility and a man named Kelly told me that it is up to 
the third party screen reader manufacturers to fix accessibility.
  I called them because I was trying to gift an app and that part of iTunes is 
now completely inaccessible. Kelly said it was a known problem and that the 
screen reader manufacturers had to fix it.
  I pointed out that it worked fine before Apple updated iTunes. But he 
insisted it is up to the other companies to fix it.
  Richard


  "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor


  (Sent from my iPod 6)

  On Jun 27, 2016, at 12:25 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:


The latest version of iTunes that I can run on my current computer is 
12.1.3, otherwise, I would know the following.  How is iTunes 12.4.3?  The two 
areas that needed fixing were transferring files, and putting old versions of 
apps onto my phone from my hard drive if the new version was not as accessible. 
 Comment on other areas of iTunes for windows if you wish.  Thanks for any 
information.

Arnold Schmidt 

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Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

[Gary Petraccaro]

Make that us, please. 
That's exactly what I'm trying to find out, btw, by subscribing to a couple 
of the Android lists.


- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?


The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? 
Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to 
work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me?

/Krister


16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese <ment...@dslextreme.com>:

Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of 
the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I 
would say that Apple is getting serious competition already.

Evan

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart
phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in
general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if
Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I
think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition.

Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but
I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the
iPhone.

On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote:

That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people
and requesting features such as what you want.  If that doesn't do it,
then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product
and feels no reason to change them.  One of those, the failure of Siri
to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a
competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg
up to a product not Apple's own.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
   *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

   Hi Jonathan,

   Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how
   they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to
   developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they
   don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many
   areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways.

   Regards,

   Sieghard

   *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
   *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
   *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
   *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

   Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any
   time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds
   of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments,
   Calling, and Workouts.

   So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any
   other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you
   on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent
   episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea
   why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this
   space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the
   situation slightly.

   Jonathan Mosen

   Mosen Consulting

   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

   http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org>

   On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
   <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

   Hi Devin,

   Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed
   out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking.
   Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been
   offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their
   API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed
   out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really
   think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years
   ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull
   information from a few more sources, but why is it still not
   possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an
   example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4
   Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I
   can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in
   the company name field and a single phone number and say, for
   example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company
   name 

Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

[Gary Petraccaro]

Using "open Google" Siri worked.  I used to be able to say "run such-and-such" 
and that's what stopped working.  I didn't try "open" because I thought it 
would cause the web page to open.
Btw, "open Shazam" works for that as well.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:12 PM
  Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?


  Are  you saying asking SIRI to “Open google” doesn’t work? I just tried it 
and it works fine for me.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:43 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

   

  That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other 
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and 
requesting features such as what you want.  If that doesn't do it, then Apple 
just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason 
to change them.  One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google 
seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting 
it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own.

   

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM

Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are 
opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they 
conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my 
iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are 
so backwards in other ways.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

 

Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time 
soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: 
ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts.

So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other 
third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or 
Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using 
third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far 
it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only 
going to improve the situation slightly.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

  On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

   

  Hi Devin,

  Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there 
isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is 
something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple 
opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed 
out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it 
SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster 
with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it 
still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an 
example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my 
contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact 
where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone 
number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the 
company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show 
me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI 
to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. 
Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on 
Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on 
Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI 
created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 
2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it 
does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two 
parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when 
SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start 
reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should unders

Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

[Gary Petraccaro]

That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other 
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and 
requesting features such as what you want.  If that doesn't do it, then Apple 
just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason 
to change them.  One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google 
seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting 
it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
  Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?


  Hi Jonathan,

   

  Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are 
opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they 
conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my 
iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are 
so backwards in other ways.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?

   

  Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time 
soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: 
ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts.

  So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other 
third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or 
Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using 
third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far 
it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only 
going to improve the situation slightly.

  Jonathan Mosen

  Mosen Consulting

  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

   

On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 

Hi Devin,

Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there 
isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is 
something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple 
opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed 
out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it 
SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster 
with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it 
still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an 
example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my 
contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact 
where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone 
number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the 
company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show 
me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI 
to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. 
Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on 
Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on 
Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI 
created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 
2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it 
does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two 
parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when 
SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start 
reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should understand that I 
want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence 
SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone is not 
moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already exists, the iPhone has 
the processing power to do it and so do Apple's servers.
I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the 
Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but 
have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just 
one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). 
Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask 
SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I can't help you 
with the stop watch". Huh, really, it can set a timer, an alarm, it can create 
calendar events and reminders but it can't start the stop watch? Why?


Best regards,

Re: Latest iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

One thing to bear in mind about filenames in iTunes.  The Windows names are 
truncated when you look at them in Windows Explorer.  This has held true since 
at least 2010.  Sometimes that's a factor.  Otherwise see my earlier message of 
a few minutes ago and thanks for this one.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 1:29 PM
  Subject: RE: Latest iTunes


  Hi Gary,

   

  I just downloaded iTunes 12.4.1 on my Windows 10 laptop where I use Jaws 17 
as my screenreader. One thing that is slightly improved is when you go to the 
Apps area in iTunes. Before once you tabbed into the app grid view you could 
not tab forward to where Jaws would read the What’s New section or to the 
Update All button. Instead you had to go to the Search field with Control+F and 
then use Shift+Tab to go backwards until you came to the update all button. Now 
in 12.4.1 Jaws again reads the What’s New and you can tab normally. However, 
Jaws still does not read the names of the apps in the grid view as you arrow 
around, you basically have to tab once past the grid view, then Jaws says what 
app it has focus on, you can then Shift+Tab, move the cursor right or left, 
then tab again to hear the name of that app and read the What’s New.

   

  I don’t usually use iTunes to download or listen to Podcasts since I find 
using a Podcast client like the native Podcast app or Downcast is such a good 
experience. However, I just opened the Podcasts area and I guess at some point 
I had added the Today in iOS Podcast and Cool blind Tech and I was able to 
focus on one of these, then tab until I got a listing of episodes and I was 
able to arrow up and down in that list and so on.

  Of course if you set it up so new episodes download to your computer you will 
have a “Podcasts” folder in your iTunes Media folder with subfolders for the 
various Podcasts and in each of them you will find all the episodes.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:58 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Latest iTunes

   

  I hate giving any advice since I'm by no means a power user, but I would stay 
away from this update unless you know it works from having seen it on someone 
elses machine.  I've been fiddling around with it in the hope of understanding 
how to do what I want to do and I'm setting up another podcatcher because I've 
had no success at all.  I have tried both Window-Eyes and NVDA.

   

- Original Message - 

From: Russ Kiehne 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Latest iTunes

 

Did you know about the following?  I wonder if there have been any 
improvements for of us who use windows?

Apple Releases iTunes 12.4.1 with Bug Fixes for VoiceOver Users

 

From: Gary Petraccaro 

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:36 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Latest iTunes

 

I've been downloading podcasts with iTunes since the last version of 11 and 
versions up to the latest update.  As far as I can tell, Apple has made it 
impossible now to download podcasts without considerably more discomfort.  I 
cannot find a way to collapse and expand particular podcasts for convenience of 
getting from show to show and now the dates of the shows are harder to find.  
Where I used to be able to get the latest several numbers of the Blind Bargains 
shows for a couple of weeks and dump them on a card for playing on a stream, 
they no longer show up show by show.  If there's a way to rearrange this, I'll 
be happy to hear it.  

Good luck.

 

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Re: Latest iTunes

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I'm dealing specifically with podcasts and I'm definitely not having your 
success.  My version of Window-Eyes is 9.1.
I did find out one of the reasons I had the problem I did with i a long 
conversion with Accessibility with an excellent advisor.  
In the tree view of podcasts, iTunes collapses the tree so that only the top 
item of any podcast shows.  Some of my 'casts have several shows to any given 
date.  Those additional shows were not showing at all.  
The advisor said to try 3 right arrows in succession.  I did and nothing 
happened.
Then she said to try a faster 3 right arrows.  That worked but with no sound or 
change of wording from the speaker.
Up and down cursor did show that the tree had expanded.
The same applied if I went left arrow 3 times quickly.  No voice 
acknowledgement but there was a change.
Without someone viewing the screen either from my end or on Apple's side, there 
would have been no way whatsoever that I would have known what was going on.
That qualifies as very bad design.
I have no idea where else it might rear its ugly head.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Afik Sofir 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:08 PM
  Subject: RE: Latest iTunes


  The latest update works very well with window-eyes, that’s for my expirence.

   

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Latest iTunes

   

  I hate giving any advice since I'm by no means a power user, but I would stay 
away from this update unless you know it works from having seen it on someone 
elses machine.  I've been fiddling around with it in the hope of understanding 
how to do what I want to do and I'm setting up another podcatcher because I've 
had no success at all.  I have tried both Window-Eyes and NVDA.

   

- Original Message - 

From: Russ Kiehne 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Latest iTunes

 

Did you know about the following?  I wonder if there have been any 
improvements for of us who use windows?

Apple Releases iTunes 12.4.1 with Bug Fixes for VoiceOver Users

 

From: Gary Petraccaro 

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:36 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Latest iTunes

 

I've been downloading podcasts with iTunes since the last version of 11 and 
versions up to the latest update.  As far as I can tell, Apple has made it 
impossible now to download podcasts without considerably more discomfort.  I 
cannot find a way to collapse and expand particular podcasts for convenience of 
getting from show to show and now the dates of the shows are harder to find.  
Where I used to be able to get the latest several numbers of the Blind Bargains 
shows for a couple of weeks and dump them on a card for playing on a stream, 
they no longer show up show by show.  If there's a way to rearrange this, I'll 
be happy to hear it.  

Good luck.

 

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Re: Latest iTunes

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I hate giving any advice since I'm by no means a power user, but I would stay 
away from this update unless you know it works from having seen it on someone 
elses machine.  I've been fiddling around with it in the hope of understanding 
how to do what I want to do and I'm setting up another podcatcher because I've 
had no success at all.  I have tried both Window-Eyes and NVDA.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 9:41 AM
  Subject: Re: Latest iTunes


  Did you know about the following?  I wonder if there have been any 
improvements for of us who use windows?
  Apple Releases iTunes 12.4.1 with Bug Fixes for VoiceOver Users

  From: Gary Petraccaro 
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:36 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Latest iTunes

  I've been downloading podcasts with iTunes since the last version of 11 and 
versions up to the latest update.  As far as I can tell, Apple has made it 
impossible now to download podcasts without considerably more discomfort.  I 
cannot find a way to collapse and expand particular podcasts for convenience of 
getting from show to show and now the dates of the shows are harder to find.  
Where I used to be able to get the latest several numbers of the Blind Bargains 
shows for a couple of weeks and dump them on a card for playing on a stream, 
they no longer show up show by show.  If there's a way to rearrange this, I'll 
be happy to hear it.  
  Good luck.

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Latest iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've been downloading podcasts with iTunes since the last version of 11 and 
versions up to the latest update.  As far as I can tell, Apple has made it 
impossible now to download podcasts without considerably more discomfort.  I 
cannot find a way to collapse and expand particular podcasts for convenience of 
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Where I used to be able to get the latest several numbers of the Blind Bargains 
shows for a couple of weeks and dump them on a card for playing on a stream, 
they no longer show up show by show.  If there's a way to rearrange this, I'll 
be happy to hear it.  
Good luck.

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Backups To Computer With PC iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

With the newest version of iTunes, how do I make sure I'm backing up my 
contacts and how do I know that they're backed up?
Thanks.

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Re: and new software update to iOS!

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've got the new update and the only problem so far is extraordinary battery 
drain on my 5.  I charged to 100 percent and 4 hours later, with no activity, 
it was down to 77 percent. Bluetooth was off.

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  From: Alan Paganelli 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:25 PM
  Subject: and new software update to iOS!


  there is a new update to iOS in case anybody cares






  Alan


  Sent from my iPhone 5s

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Re: Entirely OT, But Figure Someone Can answer Offlist?

[Gary Petraccaro]

blindtech-subscr...@blindtech.info
might work, but I also have info that it's on freelist.
I hope this works.
Good luck.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rhonda Scott 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 5:06 PM
  Subject: Entirely OT, But Figure Someone Can answer Offlist?


  I apologize for asking this here, but I am looking for information to join 
the Blind Tech list and thought perhaps someone here is a member. Looking for a 
good list for asking all sorts of computer related and techy questions.
  Thanks,
  Rhonda

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Re: iTunes for windows and screen readers

[Gary Petraccaro]

I use Window-Eyes and am currently using 9.1 (not the most current version). 
There is no way of reviewing the screen with the current iTunes and in my 
limited attempts to actually use iTunes I've found not much success, though 
I can use it to access and move podcasts.  When I called the Apple help line 
about iTunes in the past I've gotten 1 helpful person, 1 person who said 
"Call your screen access program tech support.", and several people who 
tried to be helpful and were to some extent.  I am certainly not an iTunes 
advanced user, and neither am I any kind of power user, but when I have 
looked for help on using current iTunes versions, I've only found material 
referring to version 11.x.
I hope this helps and I would be grateful for anyone advancing this 
discussion and my understand of this program's usage.

Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: iTunes for windows and screen readers


I have never used iTunes for windows, because I have a Mac. However, if 
friend of mine was just told by an Apple accessibility senior representative 
that window eyes works with iTunes for windows and is the only screen reader 
which Apple says does that. I know that a few years ago, and it literally 
has been years, GW micro had been touting this fact. But I know a lot of 
changes have happened with both window eyes and iTunes since then I suspect 
that this is the case of apple not keeping their propaganda, I mean their 
publication, up-to-date. So for you who use Windows version of iTunes and 
screen readers two questions. One, Is it true, WE users, that iTunes works 
perfectly well with the latest version of window eyes? And two, what about 
other screen readers? Do any work well?

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Ending Support for Windows XP on August 29th

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Not to mention those of us who use older devices we have no need to 
replace--don't want to replace--cannot replace  because of driver issues, such 
as my Epson scanners.
I run XP when I use the scanner and otherwise run 7.  XP never goes online.  
I know people who run a sign creating shop with a specialized printer. 
There simply are no drivers for it in any other version of Windows after XP. 
Buying a multi-thousand dollar printer isn't moving with the times, it's 

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  Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 6:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Ending Support for Windows XP on August 29th


  Well, actually my wife is still running XP and so are many others that I 
know. i believe that there are internet security companies that are still 
supporting XP in their products. Also, if you want to pay for it, MS is still 
offering enterprise updates for XP as there are still needs for it primarily 
for control of older medical devices still being used in hospitals, etc.

  Andy

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:37 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Ending Support for Windows XP on August 29th
  Support for XP from Microsoft ended already last year and I think anybody who 
still runs XP is just asking for trouble since there are no more security 
updates.

   

   

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Fred Olver
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  Subject: Fw: Ending Support for Windows XP on August 29th

   

   

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  From: Dropbox 

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  Subject: Ending Support for Windows XP on August 29th

   

 

   
   
   Hi Fred,

We noticed that you're running the Dropbox desktop 
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Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Gary Petraccaro]

Did you consider downgrading to theprevious working version from a backup?

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:01 PM
Subject: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after 
upgrade



Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because I'm 
sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system still 
must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far smaller than 
my "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know what to 
re-create this deal. But doing it twice will really be unacceptable. I'm 
already kind of disgusted that we lost our book share authors in the 
upgrade. It seems like that is something that Winston could have checked for 
before releasing the product. But what's done is done I suppose.

Mary


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Re: Has anyone used the nook app with the iPhone?

[Gary Petraccaro]

I understand.  It was meant as an F Y I only; I use dictation too.

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Has anyone used the nook app with the iPhone?



It was a classic case of - dictation strikes again.

"Kendall wants" meant "Kindle once".
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Subject: Re: Has anyone used the nook app with the iPhone?


Hate to channel Charles but, it's K i n d l e.

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:11 PM
Subject: Has anyone used the nook app with the iPhone?


Hi all, and thanks for any help and all suggestions. Is the nook act nook
app accessible with the iPhone? Is it easy to read the books? I tried 
using

Kendall wants but it didn't seem to work too well. There is a book that I
would like to get and read but I need the nook app to do it. Thank you 
again

for any help. God bless, Wren Langley PS any information you could give
would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Has anyone used the nook app with the iPhone?

[Gary Petraccaro]

Hate to channel Charles but, it's K i n d l e.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lea W Langley" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:11 PM
Subject: Has anyone used the nook app with the iPhone?


Hi all, and thanks for any help and all suggestions. Is the nook act nook 
app accessible with the iPhone? Is it easy to read the books? I tried using 
Kendall wants but it didn't seem to work too well. There is a book that I 
would like to get and read but I need the nook app to do it. Thank you again 
for any help. God bless, Wren Langley PS any information you could give 
would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Interesting situation about updating iPhone 5 and more

[Gary Petraccaro]

Let's hope so.  I'll be updating after I finish this group of messages.


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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:50 AM
Subject: RE: Interesting situation about updating iPhone 5 and more


There are not many bugs in 9.3, I certainly would say the security fixes and 
improvements in addition to feature improvements make it a worthwhile update 
and not one somebody who is still on ioS 8 should stay away from. In fact, 
from what I heard it runs much better on older devices than iOS 8 ever did.


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Subject: Re: Interesting situation about updating iPhone 5 and more

Sounds cool to have the latest technologies or iDevices or even iOS 9.3. But 
it might be a headache cod of so many bugs.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Vicki Ratcliffe  
wrote:


When I learned that the new release for the update had been rolled 
out, I tried to do it with iTunes and still received the message saying 
“activation server temporarily unavailable”.  I then decided to go to the 
Apple store and after waiting two hours, (I knew that I would have to do 
so but just wanted to get the phone fixed) I spoke with someone who solved 
the problem.


For some reason which the person said was rare, the phone had dropped 
my carrier and the update would not work when going through iTunes but 
worked when put in recovery mode.


Also, when talking to apple staff, I asked about the new SE phone and 
was told that a lot of people were ordering the device because they wanted 
a smaller phone.


after not having use of a phone for a week, I’m glad that the story 
has a happy ending in terms of not losing data and that I can now use all 
my apps and call a cab when out and about with the phone.  I’ve heard that 
the iPhone 7 might not have an earphone jack but was told that this is 
still rumor.  Because I would like the latest technology, upgrading to the 
SE or iPhone 7 will be on my to-do list in the future.


All of this made me realize how did we get through life without our 
phones  and I’m just so glad to have a working phone again.


Vicki


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Re: comparing: Openbook vs K1000

[Gary Petraccaro]

Everybody's hoping this will happen, but it's not currently the case with K1000.

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  From: Kevin Chao 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: comparing: Openbook vs K1000


  Is Open Book and K1000 available for Mac? This is news?

  On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:24 AM Regina Alvarado  
wrote:



Cara? I was under the impression questions about the Mac and any other 
Apple product could be asked here. I think Joanne asked for a Windows but said 
she was using her Mac? I am politely asking what the rules are here. Thanks for 
clarification as I am about to embark on really trying to understand my Mac 
Mini. Right now doing everything on iPhone and iPad, but one can't do 
everything mobile. 


reggie & Lex

On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I don't think that's the case. I assume you're being sarcastic, and you 
just meant to politely point out that this is off topic for this list and the 
poster might have a better chance getting this question answered on a list 
where it's more on topic.

On 30/03/16 04:36, Scott Davert wrote:

  Kurzweil 1000 and Openbook now have apps? How awesome! I mean, that

  must be what this is if it's on a list for the iPhone, right?



  Scott



  On 3/30/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

I have Openbook simply because I first bought Arkenstone  in 1993, and 
have



stuck with it over the years because upgrading it the two times I did 
were

so much cheaper than buying Kurtzweil.  .  If I were going to get it 
now, I



would get Kurtzweil  without a second thought.



But to get this topic back to the topic of this list, unless you are 
wanting



to scan a lot of books, I would get KNFB reader for my I device, along 
with



one of the reading stands, especially since you say you already have 
ABBY

Find reader  for an iMac.  I would be really hard pressed to want to 
pay a

thousand dollars, or whatever it is, for Openbook or Kurtzweil unless I 
were



in college, or were wanting to use it for some professional purpose.



Arnold Schmidt

- Original Message -

From: "Joanne Chua" 

To: "undisclosed-recipients:"

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:05 AM

Subject: Ot: comparing: Openbook vs K1000





  Hi there,



  In i'm the market of getting an OCR software. I have experience with

  both software in the pass, some versions ago.  Just wondering, for

  those that may have use both or  have experience with both software,

  especially the openbook 9 and k1000 14, what is the advantes and

  disadvantages of each other?



  What do you like about openbook and k1000?



  I can get the Pearl camera with the openbook however, that is not my

  first consideration. I need an OCR software that can scan accurate,

  fast, and reliable.



  I have ABBY Find reader on my IMac, however, i'm looking for some

  window os solution.



  Thanks for all the suggestions, comments and thoughtss



  Regards

  Joanne



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[Gary Petraccaro]

Are there any of these which will also entertain apps related messages?

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Re: Apple accessibility sucks

[Gary Petraccaro]

I have only had one problem with them.  That was when I called trying to 
find out how iTunes for the PC was supposed to work.  The particular 
individual told me to ask my PC Adaptive software manufacturer.  When I 
called again the next person I spoke to was ready, able and willing to help. 
On all other questions, the people were the best recommendation for picking 
Apple.


- Original Message - 
From: "deidre muccio" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: Apple accessibility sucks


Odd. I never have anything other than the best of luck with Apple 
Accessibility.



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Of Jim Ruby

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple accessibility sucks

I love calling these people only to have the call get hung up on for the 5th 
time today after the stupid automated system says let me get someone to help 
you.

This is the number I am using
800-694-7466
Make it 6 times now from another phone
I had a strange bill come in from itunes and I can't get to the billing 
history in itunes it is all blank. I'll just call my cc company and dispute 
the charge then since apple is to hard to get in touch with and I can not 
report it since I can't get to my billing info with in itunes since it is 
all blank.


Any way anyone have any suggestions? I'm getting very frustrated.

Thanks

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Re: comparing: Openbook vs K1000

[Gary Petraccaro]

I am not currently using K1000 v.14.  My scanner is too old to run on 
anything except XP and I didn't see any reason to upgrade when v.13 was 
giving me incredible results.  For example, I'm currently doing Mercedes 
Lackey and Larry Dixon's Chrome Borne.  I found less than 10 paragraph 
problems with that book using its version of Fine Engine.  I have heard that 
OB 9 has advanced but not anything specific.  K1000 generally has great 
tools for fixing scanned output.  It certainly didn't get any downgrades 
with the latest version.
I would be interested in what replies you get on this issue and I hope you 
would send them this way.

Thanks.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:05 AM
Subject: Ot: comparing: Openbook vs K1000



Hi there,

In i'm the market of getting an OCR software. I have experience with
both software in the pass, some versions ago.  Just wondering, for
those that may have use both or  have experience with both software,
especially the openbook 9 and k1000 14, what is the advantes and
disadvantages of each other?

What do you like about openbook and k1000?

I can get the Pearl camera with the openbook however, that is not my
first consideration. I need an OCR software that can scan accurate,
fast, and reliable.

I have ABBY Find reader on my IMac, however, i'm looking for some
window os solution.

Thanks for all the suggestions, comments and thoughtss

Regards
Joanne

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Re: siri opening apps

[Gary Petraccaro]

Can't agree at this point.  It's far too constant for it to be a server
issue.  The servers didn't change, just Apple's offerings in apps and
inability to surpass the competition.  I'm using the same version you are,
btw.

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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: siri opening apps


I've been getting this Siri unprefictibility a lot lately especially where
opening apps and calling contacts is concerned. I am running Ios 8.3 on an
iPhone 6 but I'm skeptical that the iOS version has anything to do with it.
As Sieghard said, sometimes siri just doesn't work and I think it has
something to do with an issue at the Apple servers.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 19, 2016, at 12:09 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

SIRI just has issues now and then which usually clear up. However, is
there a reason why you are running one of the first versions of iOS 9
which definitely had several issues which have since been resolved?


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Subject: siri opening apps

Hi:
I have an iPhone 6s running 9.02 and VO. Siri refuses to open any apps I
have installed. It says there isn’t an app called Facebook on my phone for
example. I reset the phone by pressing and holding the home and power
button. I cleared the ram. I powered on and off the phone. No luck. Anyone
esle had that issue?
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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I download podcasts with iTunes on Windows 7 64-bit PC for listening to on my 
Stream 1st gen.  iTunes has stopped listing new episodes in several 'casts and 
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I'm still using iTunes version 12.2 and I download podcasts for listening to on 
my Stream.  Now they're all saying "inactive".  I searched on Google for a way 
to make the casts active but couldn't find anything that looked as if it might 
have applied to version 12 anything.  Does anyone have an idea how to change 
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Re: voiceover going off

[Gary Petraccaro]

I had a similar problem to Paul's and I needed to do a restore which cured the 
problem.  The Apple Access people talked me through that.  Things have worked 
fine ever since.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jenifer Barr 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:49 AM
  Subject: Re: voiceover going off


  I actually have had the same problem with my iPhone 6s and 9.1. I have to 
hold the home and lock buttons to reset it. Nothing else works. I can't turn my 
phone off... pressing the lock button 6 times doesn't work either. 

  Jen Barr
  Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hi Paul,



Is it possible that you experience a situation where Voiceover volume drops 
all the way down to zero and while you think Voiceover is not running it is in 
fact working fine but there is just no volume? One way to check this is to plug 
in a headset when this happens. Headset volume is separate from speaker volume 
and in many cases when this happens and speaker volume drops to 0 headset 
volume is still up and you can hear Voiceover just fine as soon as you plug in 
a headset.



Alternatively, you can press the home button to display the lock screen, 
then do a 2-finger swipe up which starts reading the lock screen and right away 
after you do the swipe press the volume up button multiple times. If it is a 
volume issue this should start raising the volume to where you can hear it 
again.



If it is not a volume issue, then doing a hard reset by pressing the power 
button together with the home button for about 8 seconds may get you back up 
and running without sighted help.



I also would suggest that you upgrade to the latest version of iOS 9. Even 
the 8.4.x series of updates resolved several Voiceover bugs if I remember 
correctly. You may of course have your own reason why you continue to run 8.3, 
but while there are still bugs, iOS 9.1 now (less than 3 months after the first 
release of iOS 9) is in my opinion better than any version of iOS 8 ever was. I 
expect 9.2 to be released publically any time now, they pushed out betas for 
iOS 9.2 almost once a week and I think 9.2 is now up to Beta 5, but there 
hasn’t been a new beta in 2 weeks or so and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw 
the public release of 9.2 next week.





Regards,

Sieghard



secones 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Roberts
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 5:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: voiceover going off



Hi all,



Quite a while since i've posted on here but this is due to on-going email 
issues on my main PC.



Anyway, I currently use an Iphone 5S and currently ruhning IOS8.3.



Since I bought my phone back in March 2014, I have had occasions when 
Voiceover for some reason, stops talking and the only way to get it back is 
usually to plug it in and after a time, Voiceover is back to normal. this 
hapend recently when at a concert in Liverpool, Voicever wouldn't talk and so 
when I got home and plugged it in, it was fine after a few minutes. 



A fortnight ago I was staying near Preston and whilst on the train up, I 
checked for mesages and had sevearl which I decided to read later on when I 
arrived. I locked my phone and then an hour or so later, I decided to read 
those mesages, plus send sevearl Emails.



well, Voiceover didn't work and even plugging in didn't make any differenc. 



I got a member of hotel staff to come up so they could ring my Iphone to 
see if it would activate but when I asked if the phone was on, they said it was 
and that it was ready to unlock.



Well I got them to unlock but of course had to get them to enter my pass 
code. As the screen looked normal, I got them to go to settings, general, 
accessibility and then tap on voiceover.



Once done, Voiceover was back to normal and on checking the tripple tap of 
the home keky, that was stil working.



This is the first time i've had to actually switch voicever back on after a 
glitch and am somewhat baffled as to how this hapend in the first place.



The other thing is that these sorts of glitches tend to happen, either when 
i'm say in work, or out locally or away in another area and so I'm wondering if 
there's something in settings which I need to look at and possibly change, so 
as to stop such glitches from happening.



any thoughts on the above would be most welcome.



Regards 



Paul. 






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Re: an audio tutorial on blindfold bowling

[Gary Petraccaro]

You face a triangle of pins, point towards you.  That's pin 1.  Behind it 
are 2 and 3, behind that 4, 5, 6.  Behind 7, 8, 9, 10.


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: an audio tutorial on blindfold bowling



Hi, can someone please repost this tutorial?  I can't figure out the
setup of the pins at times.
Thanks.
Jen

On 10/15/15, jazzyjennifer  wrote:

hi guys, figure i would do an audio tutorial on blindfold bowling, this
way people could get a lay out of the game on how the screan is set up.
and how its played

http://twup.me/4vT

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Re: Question on how to have an event notify me in advance.

[Gary Petraccaro]

Will the alert speak once and disappear or will it speak and leave a message 
on the locked screen?

Thanks.

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From: "Wayne Merritt" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Question on how to have an event notify me in advance.



When you make the appointment, though you cannot set an alert when
doing it with Siri, if you make it in the Calendar you do have the
option of setting 2 different alerts before the event happens. For
instance, you could set an alert for 15 minutes before and an alert
for 30 minutes before the appointment time. When in the calendar on
the new appointment screen, if you swipe/flick to the right passed the
start and end times of the appointment, you will eventually come to
the alert options. Another idea would be to use the Today screen from
the Notification Center to see a list of the appointments you have for
a given day, or to see the appointment that is next on your calendar.

HTH,
Wayne

On 10/29/15, Pinky  wrote:

Hi group.

I am looking for other ways uses of IOS use the events in IOS. I put an
event or an appointment in my calendar using Siri. So how do I tell Siri 
to

tell me in advance of my appointment. Another words how to I get notified
in
advance I have an appointment? Does Siri use alarms, belles or whistles 
or

does something come up on the screen in the morning or the day before
reminding me of the appointment. How do you all do this.

Ed

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Re: Drop bluetooth kitchen scale

[Gary Petraccaro]

I would also like the brand/model information on the scale since my venerable 
TRS has died and needs replacement.  Thanks.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:22 AM
  Subject: RE: Drop bluetooth kitchen scale


  Hi Christina,

   

  You are wondering if the weight is read out on the iDevice and I am sure it 
would be if the app is accessible. I read in the description “there is no need 
to touch your iPad with dirty fingers”. This of course prompted me to read more 
since it said “iPad” and not “iPhone”. I then found the following:

   

  Works with iPad mini, iPad mini 2, iPad mini 3, iPad 3rd generation, iPad 4th 
generation, iPad Air and iPad Air 2. Requires iOS 8.

   

  So, it appears the app is iPad only and since there is no mention of the 
iPhone I assume this will not work with an iPhone.

   

  Now, as for talking kitchen scales, I have one I bought a very long time ago 
from Maxiaids. I think I have had this thing for 15 or 18 years and it is 
accurate and it just works and works and works. Of course I don’t know if it is 
still available, but I’ll get my wife to see what it says on the scale as far 
as a brand/model and write you directly. It is accurate to around 5 grams or 
around 0.2 ounces which for cooking and baking is plenty good enough and while 
I love gadgets, I think there is something to be said for some stand-alone 
devices where I push a single button and I don’t have to pull out my iPhone, 
load an app and so on. The scale I have continuously reads out the measurement 
as you add stuff to the bowl and while it probably can’t do what this Drop 
scale can do, you can switch it to either metric or imperial measurements and 
the nice thing is that if you want to measure something where the included 
plastic bowl is not big enough, you can just take it off and replace it with 
any plate or bowl you want. As long as you turn on the scale after you put the 
bowl you are using on the scale it will zero itself with whatever you put on it 
and then measure from there.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
  Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 1:01 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Drop bluetooth kitchen scale

   

  Hello has anyone tried this. Is it accessible? Mainly I was wondering if the 
weight is read out on the iDevice by voiceOver. I’d love to have a talking 
kitchen scale but I have not purchased one. I get frustrated when I spend my 
money on a talking gadget that is poorly made and often inaccurate. I have used 
talking scales and thermometers that are obviously way off and giving incorrect 
readings. This one has me curious since it’s a possible out of the box 
solution. :)

   

  https://www.getdrop.com

   

   

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Re: Broken accessibility of iTunes playlists

[Gary Petraccaro]

I was told by one accessability tech to talk to my screen reader developer.  
For an Apple Program?

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  From: Don & Cher 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:22 PM
  Subject: Broken accessibility of iTunes playlists


  These are the messages I've sent to Apple re this problem. I hope those of 
you who have noticed issues are also writing :)

   

  From: Don & Cher [mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net] 
  Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:19 PM
  To: 'accessibil...@apple.com'
  Subject: Broken playlist accessibility in iTunes

   

  These problems refer to keyboard accessibility issues in playlists and were 
created in iTunes 12.2.1 and continue in 12.3:

   

  *Selection:

  Within playlists created with these iTunes versions, selection no longer 
seems to follow the cursor keys- so standard windows keyboard commands for cut 
or copy result in a "nothing selected" error message. It is impossible to 
re-arrange the order of songs created under these versions of iTunes. The only 
playlists which are still functional are those which were created in prior 
versions of iTunes.

   

  *Navigation: 

  Using the arrow keys, after arrowing up or down for 15 or so lines, the 
selection focus is lost. You cannot read the information or proceed further in 
that direction without first arrowing backward one line- which then allows you 
to move forward one more line- thus advancing only one line at a time 
(backwards then forwards) in a see-saw fashion.  The cursor actually does move 
but the focus seems to be lost and the new song information is not read.

  Using the home or end key moves the cursor to the end or beginning of the 
playlist; but JAWS does not read the information on that line. It is necessary 
to arrow away from that song and back before the information can be read.

  Similarly, the page up and page down keys will not read the information for 
the song on which the cursor lands.

   

  *Nuisance artwork:

  With these iTunes versions, artwork appears on each line of the playlist. 
Even copying the songs from an old playlist without artwork into a new one 
created under these versions produces a playlist with the artwork icons. 

   

  *Nuisance iTunes becoming unresponsive:

  Accidental use of the standard windows command Control-Home results in iTunes 
freezing. This command is so commonly used for various purposes by keyboard 
users that this is bothersome.

   

  This is my previous message to you re these issues:

   

  From: Don & Cher [mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:09 AM
  To: 'accessibil...@apple.com'
  Subject: Keyboard accessibility to playlists broken in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  Since installing iTunes 12.2.1, new playlists are not accessible to persons 
relying on keyboard accessibility to work with them. I phoned Apple 
Accessibility recently to see if the tech could replicate my problem. He 
verified that with the latest iTunes, you cannot use keyboard shortcuts to 
select, copy or move songs in new playlists with the keyboard (using a PC). He 
verified that it is not a JAWS issue as he did not have JAWS installed, and 
could not perform these functions either. I can still use all these keyboard 
commands within playlists created prior to installing the new iTunes- but even 
if I duplicate an old playlist and rename it (so I can have a editable 
playlist) the newly duplicated playlist is non-editable- apparently because it 
was duplicated under the new iTunes. The only way I can add songs to one of 
these new playlists is by using 'add to playlist' on the context menu- and the 
order of songs is unchangeable by this method- I.E. the order you add the songs 
is unchangeable after the fact. So, basically playlists are not very useful.

   

  Cher

   

   


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Re: Creating Folders In iOS 9

[Gary Petraccaro]

What do you do when the aps aren't on the same page?
Thanks.

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  From: Ioana Gandrabur 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Creating Folders In iOS 9







  Hi,




  When moving app a on to app b and you hear the info about this keep slowly 
moving your finger around the area of that app and you will hear the "creating 
folder" announcement. I agree it's a bit finiky without good reason but works 
for me consistently. Have not tried yet with the bt keyboard. 


  Hth,




  Ioana


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  On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:


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  On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Destene Noller  
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  Hi Everyone,

  I decided to reorganize some apps on my iPhone 6 today.  I began by 
deleting some apps that I just don't ever use.  My intention was to create some 
new folders for some apps that I don't use quite as often as some others, but 
that I still wanted to keep.  I haven't done this in quite a while, so I'm 
thinking the procedure may have changed, but what I tried was:  double-tapping 
and holding on one app, and then moving it on top of another app in order to 
create a new folder which contained both apps.  It didn't seem to work.  I 
didn't get any indication that a folder was created, and was provided with no 
edit field in which to write a new folder name.  What might I be doing wrong?  
Any help with this would be most appreciated!  Thanks so much in advance!

  Desi

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Re: Pandora radio

[Gary Petraccaro]

How do you remove stations?

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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pandora radio



Hi Terri,
I think I'm running the latest Pandora version, 6.4.1, on my iPhone 6 with 
IOS 9.0.1. As I look at my screen, immediately above the first entry in my 
station list is a button labeled Add Station. Flicking right from this 
control, I find a Create Station control, which is a text box where I can 
enter the artist I'm interested in.I hope this helps you.


Oh, by the way, this latest version now has an accessible control which 
lets me sort stations by the date that they were added, or sort stations 
alphabetically, which is what I prefer. Actually, that control may have 
been there all along but I couldn't get to it with older versions of IOS 
and VoiceOver, so this is a nice change, indeed.  Hopefully the Pandora 
developers won't break it any time soon.


Tom

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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:48 AM
Subject: Pandora radio


Hi.  Since I have updated to the latest Pandor Radio app I can't find 
where to add or create another artist that you want to listen too.  If 
someone can tell me how to go about finding this feature with this latest 
version I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.


Terri

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Podcast Question

[Gary Petraccaro]

I'm finding some odd naming conventions with two of the podcasts I download 
with iTunes.  Does the file name come courtesy of the site or does iTunes name 
them?
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Re: Main Menu

[Gary Petraccaro]

Appreciate that, thanks.  I tried opening up podcasts in iTunes Store and I 
just couldn't find a way to plug in the link, plus reading through those 
'casts and not finding Main Menu.  I'm just trying to learn how to use 
iTunes and I'm starting from the ground up.


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From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Main Menu


The URL that was posted takes you to the podcast link. You can either 
click on it and then click on the episodes you want to listen to, or you 
could paste that URL into your podcast app.



I've never used iTunes to subscribe to a podcast, but I think if you click 
on the following link on your iDevice then iTunes will come up and let you 
subscribe to the podcast: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/main-menu/id359065719?mt=2


On 09/11/2015 09:04 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:

Ok, but what do I do with the URL?
Thanks.  New to iStore.
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*Subject:* Re: Main Menu

Main Menu Url= http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php
*From:* Gary Petraccaro <mailto:garypet...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 1:31 AM
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*Subject:* Main Menu
Main Menu is available in the iTunes Store. Can someone give a lead
on how to access that so as to subscribe?
Thanks.
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Main Menu

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Main Menu is available in the iTunes Store.  Can someone give a lead on how to 
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Re: Main Menu

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Ok, but what do I do with the URL?
Thanks.  New to iStore.
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  Main Menu Url= http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php

  From: Gary Petraccaro 
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  Main Menu is available in the iTunes Store.  Can someone give a lead on how 
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Re: College football on youri-device

[Gary Petraccaro]

After my qb got sacked 10 times, I've decided just not to bother 

- Original Message - 
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Subject: College football on youri-device


With all the talk of NFL, I'm curious about what people are doing this year 
for efficiently finding and receiving college games. I could have sworn that 
sirius XM had a lot of games in the past, but when I went on to radium and 
search through all of the sirius XM stations they have, I did not find any 
reference at all to any college football. On TuneIn, search for college 
football did turn up some games, and then it degenerated into a mess, with 
various conference names showing up, but double tapping on them did 
absolutely nothing. So, what are folks doing to see the schedule and click 
on desired games in an efficient manner?

Mary

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Re: Podcasts and Itunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

No, it's a good question.  The particular podcast I'm starting with happens to 
mention using iTunes and I figured it would be easier to start there.  Plus, I 
wanted this stuff on my computer where it would be easier to archive (backup).  
I'd probably move these items to a Stream rather than a phone because of 
battery life issues in addition to the backup issue.
I hope that covers your questions.

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  Subject: RE: Podcasts and Itunes


  Hi Gary,

   

  Is there a particular reason why you want to use iTunes for your Podcasts 
rather than the iPhone with Apple Podcast or a third-part Podcast app like 
Downcast? Just asking because consuming Podcasts on an iOS device with one of 
these apps is such a nice and easy experience. In addition to that it’s a 
mobile experience, i.e. you can listen at home via a bluetooth speaker or 
Airplay it to an Apple TV if you have one or you can plug in a headset and 
listen while you walk around at home or do laundry, cook etc.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

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Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:59 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Podcasts and Itunes

   

  I've just subscribed to a particular podcast which has some way of working 
with iTunes.  Is this another type of iTunes not being accessible?  Where can I 
learn about using iTunes to receive podcasts in its current version?  Not 
getting much useable from Window-Eyes.

  Thanks again as always.

   

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Podcasts and Itunes

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I've just subscribed to a particular podcast which has some way of working with 
iTunes.  Is this another type of iTunes not being accessible?  Where can I 
learn about using iTunes to receive podcasts in its current version?  Not 
getting much useable from Window-Eyes.
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Re: ITUNES PROBLEMS OVER PAST YEAR

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I know the feeling.  What I've done is just to describe what I want to do, what 
I tried to do, and what I encountered along the way.  I also pretty much took 
Apple to the woodshed for their lack of a meaningful  search feature with help 
for the PC version of iTunes.  But that was in comments on a survey.
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  Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:31 PM
  Subject: ITUNES PROBLEMS OVER PAST YEAR


  Hi all,

  Many of us hate iTunes with a passion and use it as little as possible.  
However, I am aware that there have been many times when I've read that's 
broken in this upgrade ... and really think that Apple just don't have their 
act together when it comes to iTunes for VI's, so far as the Windows version is 
concerned that is.

  I'd really like to address this by writing to 
  accessibil...@apple.com
  but feel I am not sufficiently able with iTunes to explain what's not worked 
and why.

  If anyone feels we should address this issue by writing, I'd be happy to do 
this as an individual but only if someone who is competent enough could outline 
some of the things that are wrong, at least at this present time.

  Personally, I just wish it was much more straightforward with good keyboard 
support, but whether it's sufficient just to say that and draw their attention 
to the fact that so many of us just can't get to grips with it I'm not really 
sure.

  Any comments and thoughts welcome.

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Re: Downgrading App

[Gary Petraccaro]

Thanks very much for this.  I wish it were possible to downgrade iTunes grin.

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 8:14 PM
  Subject: RE: Downgrading App


  Hi Gary,

   

  Unfortunately syncing apps to the phone from iTunes is somewhat broken in the 
latest few iTunes versions. It is still possible, but the main list of apps 
which you can choose from doesn’t read properly anymore, although I don’t know 
how other screenreaders handle it. You didn’t say if you use a Mac or PC, all I 
can give you are some pointers for a PC with the latest version of Jaws.

   

  Anyhow, first of all, you of course have to connect your phone to the PC, 
then open iTunes and go to your device section. I assume you know how to do 
this so I won’t explain it in more detail, if you don’t know just email me 
directly and I can try to give you more detailed information.

   

  Once you activate the “iPhone” button in iTunes, tab a few times until you 
get to the treeview which starts with “Summary”, all you have to do is arrow 
down once to “Apps”.

  Now tab four times and you should be in a search edit field which Jaws 
announces as “Search Apps”. Write the name or part of the name of the app you 
want to sync to your phone.

  As an example, I just typed “Dream” into the search box. You don’t have to 
press enter or anything, just tab out of the search box, the next thing you 
land on should be a “Clear search text” button.

  Tab again and Jaws should say “Apps table list view”.

  Tab again and Jaws will now say (in my example) “Apps table list box, Voice 
Dream Reader, read only”.

  Tab again and Jaws will announce the size of the app, it will always say 
“Apps table listview”, then the information (the size in this case in Mb) and 
then “read only”.

  Now the next tab takes you to where  you want to be. If the app in question 
is not installed on your iPhone, you will now come to the “Install” button. If 
the app is already on your phone, that button will be a “Remove” button.

  Activate the install button by pressing the spacebar, now unfortunately focus 
will jump somewhere but if you tab a bunch of times again and find the item 
again, the button will now say “Will Install”. This means you have now selected 
the app to be installed/synced.

  You can now tab around until you find the “Apply” button or you can use F6 
which might be faster or you can just go to the File menu with Alt+F, then use 
“v” to go to the “Device” submenu and then select “Sync”.

   

  In earlier versions of iTunes all available apps were displayed in a nice 
listview and you could simply arrow down through that list view and each app 
had a checkbox which you could activate with the spacebar. Apps installed on 
your phone would be checked, apps which were not but could be installed were 
not. This way you could go and install or remove as many apps as you wanted all 
at once.

   

   

  Hope this works,

  Sieghard

   

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Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 4:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Downgrading App

   

  I don't know if this got out, so appologies for the repost.

  I'm trying to restore a specific app to my iPhone.  The accessibility was 
damaged in the most recent version and I want to go backward.  I've deleted the 
latest version and have an earlier version on the PC.  I can't figure out how 
to proceed.  I have checked Google and the archives but either don't see what I 
need or don't understand what I read.

  Help appreciated.

   

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Downgrading App

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I don't know if this got out, so appologies for the repost.
I'm trying to restore a specific app to my iPhone.  The accessibility was 
damaged in the most recent version and I want to go backward.  I've deleted the 
latest version and have an earlier version on the PC.  I can't figure out how 
to proceed.  I have checked Google and the archives but either don't see what I 
need or don't understand what I read.
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Re: Downgrading App

[Gary Petraccaro]

Worked like a charm.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 8:14 PM
  Subject: RE: Downgrading App


  Hi Gary,

   

  Unfortunately syncing apps to the phone from iTunes is somewhat broken in the 
latest few iTunes versions. It is still possible, but the main list of apps 
which you can choose from doesn’t read properly anymore, although I don’t know 
how other screenreaders handle it. You didn’t say if you use a Mac or PC, all I 
can give you are some pointers for a PC with the latest version of Jaws.

   

  Anyhow, first of all, you of course have to connect your phone to the PC, 
then open iTunes and go to your device section. I assume you know how to do 
this so I won’t explain it in more detail, if you don’t know just email me 
directly and I can try to give you more detailed information.

   

  Once you activate the “iPhone” button in iTunes, tab a few times until you 
get to the treeview which starts with “Summary”, all you have to do is arrow 
down once to “Apps”.

  Now tab four times and you should be in a search edit field which Jaws 
announces as “Search Apps”. Write the name or part of the name of the app you 
want to sync to your phone.

  As an example, I just typed “Dream” into the search box. You don’t have to 
press enter or anything, just tab out of the search box, the next thing you 
land on should be a “Clear search text” button.

  Tab again and Jaws should say “Apps table list view”.

  Tab again and Jaws will now say (in my example) “Apps table list box, Voice 
Dream Reader, read only”.

  Tab again and Jaws will announce the size of the app, it will always say 
“Apps table listview”, then the information (the size in this case in Mb) and 
then “read only”.

  Now the next tab takes you to where  you want to be. If the app in question 
is not installed on your iPhone, you will now come to the “Install” button. If 
the app is already on your phone, that button will be a “Remove” button.

  Activate the install button by pressing the spacebar, now unfortunately focus 
will jump somewhere but if you tab a bunch of times again and find the item 
again, the button will now say “Will Install”. This means you have now selected 
the app to be installed/synced.

  You can now tab around until you find the “Apply” button or you can use F6 
which might be faster or you can just go to the File menu with Alt+F, then use 
“v” to go to the “Device” submenu and then select “Sync”.

   

  In earlier versions of iTunes all available apps were displayed in a nice 
listview and you could simply arrow down through that list view and each app 
had a checkbox which you could activate with the spacebar. Apps installed on 
your phone would be checked, apps which were not but could be installed were 
not. This way you could go and install or remove as many apps as you wanted all 
at once.

   

   

  Hope this works,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 4:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Downgrading App

   

  I don't know if this got out, so appologies for the repost.

  I'm trying to restore a specific app to my iPhone.  The accessibility was 
damaged in the most recent version and I want to go backward.  I've deleted the 
latest version and have an earlier version on the PC.  I can't figure out how 
to proceed.  I have checked Google and the archives but either don't see what I 
need or don't understand what I read.

  Help appreciated.

   

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I want to transfer an older app from the PC to the iPhone.  I have deleted the 
app from the phone.  Using iTunes 12.1.  What do I do?
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Re: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition

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Sorry to be so late in answering. I never put it on the iPhone. I can't say. 
Sorry.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition


How easily searchable is the one on the Kindle? Is it the Kindle app on the 
iPhone? Thanks, Keith


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Of Gary Petraccaro

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition

That's a shame.  The one in the K1000 cd is very much like it and, as I say, 
it's the one on the Kindle, at least my wife's.  It's actually enjoyable 
reading if your mind runs that way.


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From: David Justice dljustice...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition



I just tried out the Concise Oxford dictionary from the App Store.  It
appears that I can do pretty much everything with it except read the
content.  Reminds me of earlier versions of the Kindle app in which
VoiceOver users could do everything except read books.


 David Justice :)



On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com
wrote:

If it were possible I'd try to get the Oxford Concise.  It's the one
available for the Kindle, and a variant of it is the Oxford you can get
from Kurzweil.
Just my $.02.

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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:50 PM
Subject: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition



While it was Richard Petty who recommended it, I did a little research
because of Mark's question about why it costs so much.
The hard cover print edition is $41.83 on Amazon.
Its shipping weight is 7.5 pounds.
It is 2112 pages.
This app says it contains everything that is in the print edition.
About 20 years ago, Oxford English Dictionary 2nd edition that was 21
print volumes, was about $900 in print, became available for $130 on a CD
Rom.
Granted the OED 2nd edition had over six hundred thousand words, the cost
of dictionaries have dropped dramatically.
What you are paying for is the linguistic expertees that goes into the
research on the history and usage of the words.
According to Mr. Petty, the American Heritage app is quite accessible with
VoiceOver.

Just my two cents worth.
Richard



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Re: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition

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That's a shame.  The one in the K1000 cd is very much like it and, as I say, 
it's the one on the Kindle, at least my wife's.  It's actually enjoyable 
reading if your mind runs that way.


- Original Message - 
From: David Justice dljustice...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition



I just tried out the Concise Oxford dictionary from the App Store.  It 
appears that I can do pretty much everything with it except read the 
content.  Reminds me of earlier versions of the Kindle app in which 
VoiceOver users could do everything except read books.



 David Justice :)


On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com 
wrote:


If it were possible I'd try to get the Oxford Concise.  It's the one 
available for the Kindle, and a variant of it is the Oxford you can get 
from Kurzweil.

Just my $.02.

- Original Message - From: Richard Turner 
richardturne...@outlook.com

To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:50 PM
Subject: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition



While it was Richard Petty who recommended it, I did a little research 
because of Mark's question about why it costs so much.

The hard cover print edition is $41.83 on Amazon.
Its shipping weight is 7.5 pounds.
It is 2112 pages.
This app says it contains everything that is in the print edition.
About 20 years ago, Oxford English Dictionary 2nd edition that was 21 
print volumes, was about $900 in print, became available for $130 on a CD 
Rom.
Granted the OED 2nd edition had over six hundred thousand words, the cost 
of dictionaries have dropped dramatically.
What you are paying for is the linguistic expertees that goes into the 
research on the history and usage of the words.
According to Mr. Petty, the American Heritage app is quite accessible with 
VoiceOver.


Just my two cents worth.
Richard



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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 review: Microsoft gets it right

[Gary Petraccaro]

There's one thing Apple can do right away to help in catching up.  I wanted 
to know who won best actor/actress and best supporting in each category. 
I'm still using 8.3 if that's meaningful, btw.  It said that there was an 
article and did I want it read.  I tried both yes and read it.  Nothing 
either way to any article.


- Original Message - 
From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:13 AM
Subject: Microsoft Windows 10 review: Microsoft gets it right


Hello Everyone,

As so many of us use our iOS devices in combination with Windows, I thought
it appropriate to post this cNet review, on-list.

I have done my best to remove any orphan links or references but I may have
missed a few.

You may find the link to the original article at the end of the text.

Enjoy,

Mark

Microsoft Windows 10 review: Microsoft gets it right
By: Nate Ralph
Reviewed: July 28, 2015

The Good:
Windows 10 bridges the gap between PCs and tablets without alienating
anyone. The new OS combines the best bits of old and new Windows features
into a cohesive package, while correcting nearly all of the missteps of
Windows 8. The upgrade process is mostly painless, and free for most Windows
7 and 8 users.

The Bad:
Many of the new features will be lost on those who don't care about touch.
Automatic, forced updates could spell trouble later on. Cortana's features
are better suited for smartphones.

The Bottom Line:
Windows 10 delivers a refined, vastly improved vision for the future of
computing with an operating system that's equally at home on tablets and
traditional PCs -- and it's a free upgrade for most users.

Windows 10 is the Goldilocks version of Microsoft's venerable PC operating
system -- a just right compromise between the familiar dependability of
Windows 7, and the forward-looking touchscreen vision of Windows 8.

This new Windows, available as a free upgrade for existing Windows 7 and
Windows 8 noncorporate users, is built from the ground up to pursue
Microsoft's vision of a unified OS that spans all devices without alienating
any one platform. It's an attempt to safeguard Microsoft's crumbling
software hegemony, assailed on all sides by Google and Apple. And it's a
vision of the future as Microsoft sees it, where a single user experience
spans every piece of technology we touch. Welcome to Windows as a service.

Yes, this new OS is chock-full of fresh features. To name just a few: a
lean, fast Internet Explorer replacement called Edge; Microsoft's Siri-like
voice-controlled virtual assistant, Cortana; and the ability to stream
real-time games to your desktop from an Xbox One in another room. (And in
case you're wondering: there is no Windows 9 -- Microsoft skipped it,
going straight from 8 to 10.)

But Windows 10 is also the end of a long, awkward road that began with the
release of Windows 8 in 2012, when Microsoft tried to convince a world of
keyboard and mouse wielders that touchscreens were the way to go -- or else.
Ironically, in 2015, the PC hardware for that touchscreen future is now here
-- everything from 2-in-1s such as the Lenovo Yoga line to convertible
tablets with detachable keyboards, like Microsoft's own Surface. And Windows
10 smoothly lets users transition from tablet to PC mode on such devices
like never before.

For the rest of the PC universe -- including those who still prefer good
old-fashioned keyboard and mouse navigation -- Windows 10 is a welcome
return to form. The Start menu, inexplicably yanked from 8, is back and
working the way you expect it to. Those live tiles from the Windows 8 home
screen still exist, but they've been attached to the Start menu, where they
make a lot more sense. And the fiendishly hidden Charms bar has been morphed
into the more straightforward (and easier to find) Action Center.

As always, there are some quibbles and gripes with the end product, but
all-in-all -- after living with Windows 10 for months -- I can say it's a
winner. It's flexible, adaptable and customizable. And it's been
battle-tested by an army of beta testers for the better part of a year,
making it one of the most robust operating system rollouts in recent memory.

A fresh Start
The Start menu is back; it's almost funny how relieving that is. That humble
Start button has been a fixture on the lower left corner of the Windows
desktop since the halcyon days of Windows 95, offering speedy access to apps
and settings. Press it on Windows 10, and you'll see the latest step in a
long conversation about the state of the PC industry.

I spend more time than I'd like to admit rearranging the Start Menu.

The past sits on the left: a neat column with shortcuts to your most used
apps. Press the All Apps button and you'll get an alphabetical list of all
of the apps installed on your PC. There are folders in there too -- press
them, and extra options will fly out, just like they always have.

The future -- or at least, the future as Microsoft envisions it 

Re: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition

[Gary Petraccaro]

If it were possible I'd try to get the Oxford Concise.  It's the one 
available for the Kindle, and a variant of it is the Oxford you can get from 
Kurzweil.

Just my $.02.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com

To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:50 PM
Subject: Dictionary app, American heritage 5th edition



While it was Richard Petty who recommended it, I did a little research 
because of Mark's question about why it costs so much.

The hard cover print edition is $41.83 on Amazon.
Its shipping weight is 7.5 pounds.
It is 2112 pages.
This app says it contains everything that is in the print edition.
About 20 years ago, Oxford English Dictionary 2nd edition that was 21 print 
volumes, was about $900 in print, became available for $130 on a CD Rom.
Granted the OED 2nd edition had over six hundred thousand words, the cost of 
dictionaries have dropped dramatically.
What you are paying for is the linguistic expertees that goes into the 
research on the history and usage of the words.
According to Mr. Petty, the American Heritage app is quite accessible with 
VoiceOver.


Just my two cents worth.
Richard



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Re: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

Is there a way to backtrack to a previous version of iTunes?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Neal Ewers 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 7:19 PM
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1


  Well, this is where the accessibility breaks down. The list of apps under 
file sharing does not read. So, if you arrow down the list, you hear nothing. 
However, If you are on an app that does not read, and you tab a number of 
times, You will get to the file and the date of the file that relates to that 
silent app you are on in the list. There is then an add button and a save as 
button. Of course, if you are not on the right app, you have to back tab to the 
silent list again, arrow up or down, and tab to the file name all over again. 
Yikes! I do hope they fix this one.

   

  Neal

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:09 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  I’d like to know how you managed to get the app you wanted to add a file to 
your computer

   

  I could never get the app I wanted selected.

   

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:05 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  OK, After much playing around, file sharing is still with us, but boy, it is 
almost impossible to do and doing it at all is not easy. I will have to do it a 
few more times to get the hang of it and then perhaps by the time I am ready to 
describe it, they will release a new version of iTunes that works. We can only 
hope.

   

  Neal

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:33 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  Yes, I can do AudioMemos via the web. It’s the other apps I can’t deal with. 

  So are you saying that transferring apps from the phone to the computer is 
really possible but it is not accessible?

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:27 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  I think audio memos might have a way to do this with your browser.

  I need to go look again.

  But, I think Apple has completely destroyed accessibility with this feature 
in the latest iTunes.

  I have written them and the folks at AI Squared.

  I wold suggest everyone else write Apple Accessibility and their screen 
reader manufacturer as well.

   

  This is completely nuts.

   

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 3:16 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  Richard, so is there no way to do this? How then, I wonder, does one get such 
files from one’s phones to one’s computer?

   

  Neal

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  I mentioned this earlier. I don’t think you can in this latest version.

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 2:25 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Question about file sharing in iTunes 12.2.1

   

  Hi, In an earlier version of iTunes, if you went to your phone, there were 
two columns of apps. One that showed what apps were on the phone, and the other 
consisting of apps which you could use to transfer data or music, etc. from 
your phone to your computer. In Windows, I can no longer find this second 
column. So, how does one, for example, transfer a file one has recorded on an 
app like BossJock or AudioMemos from the phone to a windows computer running 
iTunes 12.2. Thanks for any help.

   

  Neal

   

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Re: iOS 9

[Gary Petraccaro]

What are the terms if one should discuss it in a general audience?
Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: iOS 9


You can discuss it, but only with people that are enrolled in the public 
beta program. It’s still confidential information, since it’s not released 
to the general public yet. The problem is there are potentially so many 
people on this list that don’t want to or are unable to join the program for 
whatever reason, so I made a point of possibly not discussing it here 
because of that fact. Plus, it’s hard to know if each member is a beta 
tester or not.


On Jul 12, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Steve Vandecar steve.vande...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hello all,

I would like someone to explain to me why there is a NDA associated with a 
public beta.  Anyone in who wants the beta can get it so why not discuss 
it?


Thanks
Steve


On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

That’s the exact rout I’m taking. That’s not to say the software has 
gotten worse over the years, I just want to save the $99 for other more 
important expenses.

On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

I am currently  still signed up for the Apple developer program and 
installed via iTunes after downloading the full installer package. My 
annual Apple Developer subscription is coming up for renewal at the end 
of July, but I don't think I am going to renew it especially since I am 
also registered for the public beta program and while I used to enjoy 
getting my hands on a new iOS version right after WWDC, I am not that 
keen about it any more and happily wait a month or six weeks for the 
public beta.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 9

Hello Sieghard,

Did you install iOS 9 Beta over-the-air or via iTunes?  If you installed 
OTA, from which website did you obtain the installation profile?


Thanks,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 9

As others have already pointed out, the public beta program is free. 
However, especially the first public beta can often have many bugs and 
you really have to be willing to put up with those. In this case, the 
third beta for developers became the first public beta and I can assure 
you that there are issues with various aspects of iOS. Apps may crash or 
not load at all, SIRI and Voiceover may not function as expected and so 
on. Being on the cutting edge can be fun, but it is not for the faint of 
heart. If you rely on your iOS device a lot and don't have a secondary 
device like an iPad or iPod Touch you could use for the beta I'd think 
twice. I have been enrolled in the developer program and have beta 
tested at least the last 3 or so iOS versions, but in the case of iOS 9 
I downgraded back to 8.4 after Beta 2 came out and I believe I will wait 
until at least one more beta version has been released before trying it 
again.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jennie Facer

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9

Is the beta free for anyone to install? I know you can't talk about what 
features and stuff, but I was just curious if I could install it, or do 
I have to pay?


Jenn

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Advanced iTunes preference recommendation - to keep iTunes Media folder organized or not?

[Gary Petraccaro]

I Have heard that the truncation is a problem with the PC side of iTunes and 
not happening on the Mac.  The PC issue goes back to 2010.  Are you saying 
it also truncates on a Mac?

Thanks.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Advanced iTunes preference recommendation - to keep iTunes 
Media folder organized or not?



It also really messes up the file names. Also, it creates folders for 
artists and sub folders for albums. They are also truncated.


John Diakogeorgiou

On Jul 15, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Robert Doc wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:


there is a drawback to this option.  If you have music in your itunes 
library that comes from music folder that you have created the organizer 
will move them from where you originally had them and place them in 
folders as the poster described.
- Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner 
wadres...@att.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Advanced iTunes preference recommendation - to keep iTunes 
Media folder organized or not?



Hi Keith,

If you check the box, iTunes puts each artist in a folder. Within that, 
each album is in a folder, and each track on the album is numbered. If you 
have a mix CD with multiple artists, you can either give all the tracks 
the same album artist, or declare the album a compilation. If it's a 
compilation, the album will be placed in a Compilations folder. If you 
choose an album artist, the album will be in that artist's folder. I have 
this check box checked and find it useful, but if you have your own system 
for organizing your music, you may want to uncheck it.


HTH,
Anna



On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:


Hi,

Seeking advice on the merits of checking the box to keep iTunes Media 
folder organized, or not, in iTunes Advanced Preferences.


I'm not sure what this does or doesn't do.

Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: Best iTunes settings for importing songs from CD (was iTunes Match Bit Rate is less than 256kbps)

[Gary Petraccaro]

Yeah, but not everything one imports is a song.  I'm currently ripping a load 
of old-time radio and since it's mono and my main concern is simply to keep 
what I've got going in, 128 mono does fine.  If I ever do music, I will go 
higher in the settings and, as long as I'm playing solely on Apple devices, 
I'll use lossless.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Don  Cher 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:33 PM
  Subject: Best iTunes settings for importing songs from CD (was iTunes Match  
Bit Rate is less than 256kbps)


  I found the answer to my question in the article below- I have always used 
the lossless setting for importing, but did not realize how good it really is. 
So my imported CDs really ARE better than songs I purchase from Apple.

  Cher

   

   

  Best iTunes settings for importing songs from CD

   

  Importing songs into iTunes is easy – you just INSERT the CD, SELECT it in 
iTunes, and press the ‘Import’ button!

   

  But… the default setting on iTunes is not the best setting to use when 
importing songs. It’s far better to use the ‘Apple Lossless’ setting which will 
keep your music at CD quality. If you must compress the music (e.g. you want to 
fit it on your iPod or a laptop) then use the  bitrate of 320kbps rather than 
the default 128kbps of iTunes.

   

  This article describes how to import songs into iTunes with the better 
quality bitrate.

   

  Introduction

   

  If you go to the ‘iTunes:Preferences’ menu  and click on ‘Advanced’ then 
‘Importing’ you will see some options like ‘Import Using’ and ‘Setting’.

   

  This raises a few questions.

   

  1. Why does Apple allow me to use different formats like AAC and MP3? Which 
one is better?

   

  2. How good is the default setting of 128kbps (high quality)  (See picture 
below – click to enlarge).

   

  Ituens prefs

   

  Unfortunately I assumed the defaults were the best, so I used the built in 
defaults in iTunes to import my entire CD collection. But if you listen 
carefully to your iPod through your stereo, and compare it to a CD, you will 
hear a significant difference in audio quality at 128kbps.

   

  It’s not that listening at 128kbps sounds really bad, but if you compare it 
to the original, you will notice that it’s different. It’s not as clear and 
some details are missing.

   

  Best Bit-rate for compressed audio – 320kbps.

   

  If you want better quality music you should use a higher bitrate than 
128kbps. When Apple first launched iTunes the songs on the store were encoded 
at 128kbps, but from 2010 even Apple now use 256kbps on the iTunes store which 
is an immense improvement. The difference between Apple’s upgrade of 128kbps 
and 256kbps is very noticeable and it is worth upgrading all your existing 
iTunes purchases, but 256kbps is not as good as 320kbps though, so if you have 
a CD I recommend importing at  320kbps if you choose to import as AAC.

   

  Better still: Apple Lossless

   

  When this article was first written in 2008 I suggested 320kbps AAC as the 
best setting. There have been significant increases in hard drive size in that 
time and hard drives are now large enough to easily cope with the size of Apple 
Lossless files. I now suggest you use Apple Lossless Encoder for all importing 
of songs from CD. It gives the best possible quality.

   

  I now recommend the Apple Lossless Encoder as the best way to import your CDs 
for general use. (I’ve written about it here.) It compresses an audio file 
without any deterioration in audio quality at all.

   

  So why does iTunes allow lower settings? Well, a lower  setting will give a 
smaller file, so in the days of small iPods and small hard drives it was 
necessary to have very small music files. But  if you want good quality sound 
it’s better to go with a higher setting.

   

  The best of both worlds

   

  If you do have one particular iPod or iPhone that is a bit small and you 
don’t want to fill it up with Apple lossless files,  there is a setting that 
you can set independently for each iPod that will reduce the file size just for 
that iPod.   You can change the settings for a particular iPod to put lower 
quality files on it to save space,  but  still have the Apple lossless files on 
your computer . Just tick the ‘Convert higher bit rate songs’ box. You can find 
it under the settings tab that appears when you plug the iPod in – it is the  
bottom box in the picture below.  This  can be turned on or off  independently 
for each device that you have.

   

  What are the differences in filesize?

  A 3 minute song at 128kbps will use approx 3MB. (poor quality)

  A 3 minute song at 320 kbps will use approx 7MB. (excellent quality)

  A 3 minute song at Apple Lossless will use approx 15MB. (perfect quality)

   

  Error Correction

   

  There is an option that says ‘Use error correction when reading audio CDs’. 
You  should always have this option ticked. It will 

Re: Apple Music review

[Gary Petraccaro]

   I would have thought that the external drive was the back up.  I would 
have saving songs on that that were also contained on an internal drive.


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From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Music review


Sieghard as much as I agree with you about the backup, it's probably
the last thing he wanted to hear right now. I lost a 2tb drive a few
weeks ago that I didn't have completely backed up. I've had ITunes
mess up my library in the past. For this reason, I only give it access
to what I want on my phone. And yes I have more than one copy.

On 7/2/15, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
While this is definitely not a good thing, did you not have a backup? 
After

all, what happens if your external drive had failed?



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Of BrianMiller
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Music review



I had this very thing happen to me… Somehow iCloud music library got 
engaged

and my entire library of ripped music got hijacked and disassembled and
disaggregated and otherwise entirely messed up… I have tens of thousands 
of

songs I ripped from CDs and stored on my external harddrive, and all my
folders were messed up, songs missing, artwork, missing, things renamed,
things deleted, replaced, and all manner of havoc.  I spent years building
and organizing my library only to have it totally screwed up.  I can’t 
even

begin to think of what I’ve lost.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 7:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Music review



One thing I have heard that is quite dismaying is that when you turn on
iCloud Music Library, your library can get messed up. People have said 
that
albums were split into two separate albums, that artwork was messed up, 
and

other not nice things. Someone even said that iTunes had deleted their
songs, and replace them with ones that had DRM. On hearing all these not
great comments about iCloud Music Library, I plan to avoid it for a while
until Apple gets their crap together. They seem to have problems with 
cloud
stuff. I heard that iCloud Drive had issues as well. I don't know what 
they

are/were, but when I heard that, especially from the developer of Voice
Dream Reader, I planned to avoid that, as well.





Thanks,

Ari


On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com  wrote:

Hi. I didn't read the whole article, but I don't need to read it to know
that the guy was basically bashing Apple Music. What people like him need 
to

remember is that Apple is trying to keep up with the times. If they stuck
with Steve Jobs' philosophy entirely, they wouldn't be where they're at
today. Also, that guy is wrong about people who don't want to pay for the
subscription to Apple Music because didn't Apple say that you can use some
of the services if you opt out of the subscription?



Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook







On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca
mailto:csma...@cogeco.ca  wrote:



Apple Music Is Hot — and Messy

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/apple-music-is-hot-and-messy-122870003119.html

Chris




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Re: IOS 8.4 and Music app

[Gary Petraccaro]

There are tons of articles to tell you enough so this whole list is 
meaningless.  Yet, you took the time to tell me about mp3 tagging.  For which, 
thanks.

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  Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:21 AM
  Subject: Re: IOS 8.4 and Music app


  there are tons of articles on the web, frequently asked questions pages etc. 
that can tell you this. :)

  At 10:42 PM 7/1/2015, you wrote:

Hi all,
 
Earlier  this afternoon I downloaded the newest software update which is 
ios 8.4. Well I went to the music app  on my home screen and double tapped on 
it.  Okay,  In the left top hand corner it says my account. And  I'm in my 
library  where all my alblums  are  listed.  At the bottom of the screen from 
left to right are my music, for you,  what is for you and what does it do? new, 
what is new? radio, what exactly is radio? and connect. What does connect do? 
Is there anything else I need to know about this  new apple's music app? Thanks.
 
Lori and the Gipper

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Itunes Fails the Test

[Gary Petraccaro]

Despite my delight in finding that iTunes uses Gracenote and got more cd info 
and track names right than any other ripper I've tried, I just found out that 
whatever tracknames I entered and whatever came from the database, iTunes on 
the PC truncated All tracknames beyond a length shorter than the Joliet 
limitations.  Something like The Josh Pendelton Murder Case 51-01-02 came out 
as The Josh Pendelton Murder C.  Not literally, but it wasn't just the 
numbers being cut as I had first thought.  This is a known problem which I 
found a message about from 2010 and it happens on the PC version not the Mac.  
To whom do I send the bug report, please?
Thanks.

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Re: Ripping With Itunes

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Thank you for the encouragement.  Much appreciated.  What I'm doing is
ripping a shelf's worth (fully packed) of old time radio.  While I have
booklets with some of the information in some of the cds, many have no
information except as it shows up on the backs of the cases.  Many of those
will not scan because of type colors.  Acuracy in the metadata phase makes
life a lot easier.  I could use one of the NCH or Cdex and have tried, but
the matching isn't reliable or just doesn't happen.  I'm getting reasonable
results with WMP, but when it get's it wrong I can't figure out how to rip
with no information.
A side note:  I called what Google said was the visually impaired access
number and got someone who wanted to scan my computer for virsuses/malware
and then wanted to charge me for a years's worth of new warranty at $249.
Of course, I'm wondering if the number was what I thought it was supposed to
be.
I did try iTunes and got the most accurate results of any of the several
rippers I've tried as far as metadata.  It's just my problem with editing
this stuff which didn't seem to stick.  But, I'm a newby at all of this.
Thanks for the help and I'll keep plugging.

- Original Message - 
From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: RE: Ripping With Itunes


Hello Gary,

While I am no stranger to using iTunes for Windows as a means of
editing/adding meta data for my personal podcast files, when it comes to
ripping CDs or in some cases wanting to import MP3 files as audio books, I
prefer to use Windows Media Player for ripping and Windows Explorer for
editing/adding the meta data, if necessary.

I find that Windows Media Player is much more accurate when it comes to
associating public information with the right sound files--especially when
it comes to ripping language discs.

As a side note, generally speaking, you can forget about updating any
publically held database.  It just doesn't work that way.  Information gets
added to the various public databases as the administrators of those
databases see fit.  Sometimes it takes years for the various databases to be
updated with the information for a particular artist, label, or album, if
ever.

Regardless, the truth of the matter is that adding/editing meta data can be
very tedious work which is why it is extremely important that you backup
your tagged files.

I will leave it up to you to learn how to use Windows Media Player as a tool
for ripping, should you choose, but the broad strokes for tagging any file,
via Windows Explorer, is as follows.

Please note that you can tag multiple files simultaneously.

1.

From within Windows Explorer, locate a file.


2.
Right-mouse click on the file and choose Properties.

3.
Select the Details Tab.

4.
Edit the various items in the list.

5.
Save your work by clicking OK/Apply.

Finally, the only meta item for which I use iTunes, is to add the coverArt,
if necessary, as that is very important to me as I like to see the album
cover when selecting/playing audio files.

Good luck and don't become discouraged.

Mark

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Subject: Ripping With Itunes

I want to rip some discs with iTunes.  When it goes through lookup, some of
the entries are wrong.  Using a PC,  Windows-Eyes or NVDA, and iTunes 12.1,
how do I edit an entry including track titles and album title?  How do I
submit an entry to the database?  If there's a podcast which answers this
question, let me know where I can find it please.
Thanks.

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Re: Itunes 12.1

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Looks like I need more info.  I don't see a recently added.  I don't see 
anything like it.
If I have to enable it, how do I do it?
Thanks.

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  Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Itunes 12.1


  I generally let itunes rip the cd as it wants and then I tab over to Recently 
Added, highlight the relevant album tracks, Get Info and change the album 
details there. Harry

   

  On 15 Jun 2015, at 05:22, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote:


although it isn't specifically for iTunes. it can help when you're tagging 
large numbers of audio files.

At 12:20 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:

  This little program may help:
  http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

  Chris

  At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:

Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old 
time radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than 
what they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd info 
button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  When I 
tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped the cd.  
Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it put it under 
the original artist which was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there 
seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a 
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 

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Re: Itunes 12.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've heard of it.  Thanks.

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  Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:20 AM
  Subject: Re: Itunes 12.1


  This little program may help:
  http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

  Chris

  At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:

Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time 
radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what 
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd info 
button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  When I 
tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped the cd.  
Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it put it under 
the original artist which was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there 
seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a 
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 

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Ripping With Itunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

I want to rip some discs with iTunes.  When it goes through lookup, some of the 
entries are wrong.  Using a PC,  Windows-Eyes or NVDA, and iTunes 12.1, how do 
I edit an entry including track titles and album title?  How do I submit an 
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me know where I can find it please.
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Apple Accessibility People

[Gary Petraccaro]

Just called the Apple Accessibility hotline on my problem ripping with iTunes 
12.1.  There are incorrect entries in the data base and I wanted to edit what 
shows up on my pc.  I told them what I was using, version of iTunes and screen 
access software and there response was to call my screen access software 
people.  I got this from more than one person over the last couple of days.  I 
understand why they would say that in terms of how My access software works, 
but I do not understand it in terms of how iTunes for pc was written.  I'd 
appreciate suggestions.  
Thanks.  

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Itunes 12.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time 
radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what 
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd info 
button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  When I 
tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped the cd.  
Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it put it under 
the original artist which was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there 
seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a 
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.

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Re: Apple Accessibility People

[Gary Petraccaro]

Probably I do, but there's the question of editing the database's data for 
future and present users, too.
Appreciate the suggestion.

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  From: Chris Smart 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 10:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility People


  You need to learn how to edit metadata, the tags imbedded in your m4a, mp3 or 
other audio format files.
  Do a Google search for 
  iTunes metadata

  At 10:09 PM 6/14/2015, you wrote:

Just called the Apple Accessibility hotline on my problem ripping with 
iTunes 12.1.  There are incorrect entries in the data base and I wanted to edit 
what shows up on my pc.  I told them what I was using, version of iTunes and 
screen access software and there response was to call my screen access software 
people.  I got this from more than one person over the last couple of days.  I 
understand why they would say that in terms of how My access software works, 
but I do not understand it in terms of how iTunes for pc was written.  I'd 
appreciate suggestions.  
Thanks.  
 

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Re: Described Audio

[Gary Petraccaro]

Does anyone know which ABC series are currently being described?
Thanks.
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  From: Alan J Paganelli 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:45 AM
  Subject: Described Audio


  Hi All,

  I know there are described audio TV episods and movies.  I’ve got Startrek 
seasons 1, 2, and 3.  I’ve found a few episodes of Star Trek the Next 
Generation but I have not found any Star Trek Voyager episodes.  Eoes any one 
know where I might get my hands on some Voyagers or Star Trek Next Generation 
MP3s?

  Thanks!

  Regards,
  Alan
  Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get
  a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  Please click on:
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  There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
  the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly!
  The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still
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Re: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down

[Gary Petraccaro]

Which phones have fingerpring capability?
Thanks.
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From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca

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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down


You can scan/register up to 5 different fingerprints.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of carol.pearso...@googlemail.com

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down

Oh, so do you have fingerprint enabled for both of you, or just your wife?
I didn't think it could take more than one fingerprint?

Carol P

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From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down


Why would your friend need your passcode? My wife knows my passcode
and she can also use her finger to unlock my phone, in case I cannot
enter it due to injury or the rare times that I am unresponsive. Other
than her, no one else needs access.

Wayne

On 4/15/15, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

Thugh I have done that I always worry about leaving the phone at a friends
house who doesn't have the passcode and might need it

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:30 AM, carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote:

I'm scared, in case I can't get back in the first time I reboot ... so
confess I'm one of those who hasn't done it - yet!

I would probably put in a number code if I were to dare to do it.  Is it
the number type keypad that comes up, or are the numbers across in one
line? I'm thinking you have to be able to do these without hearing what
you've written, but could you confirm this please.

Carol P

- Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down


Hello Everyone,

As I have posted, I support several people on both iOS and OSX as both
clients and friends.

One of my friends, a fellow VoiceOver user, until now, has fervently
refused
to setup either a Touch-ID or PIN on her iPhone 6, despite my suggestions
to
the contrary.  She said she thought it was too much trouble.

Today, she called me and told me that she, upon returning from a short
vacation with her family, accidentally left her phone in her sister's
house,
approximately 800 miles away.

While her sister will FedEx the phone back to her, my friend was afraid
that
her sister would and, according to her, most likely did, snoop on her
phone.


She truly laments not having taken the time to setup her Touch-ID and
password.

I'm tellin' you, lock it down before it's too late (smile).

Mark

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Re: Everyone, What do you consider when choosing a phone?

[Gary Petraccaro]

When I bought my iPhone, I first considered price, then whether I could use 
it purely as a phone: overall sound, ease of entering name and phone 
numbers; how easy to dial out; how easy to answer; how easy to enter menu 
choices where that was an issue.  Then came how easy to text message since I 
had a friend who seemed solely to contact people in that matter.  Next came 
the use of aps that were really important to me, which meant Kindle at the 
time, and now which would include Bard and VDR.  If I were to be pushed out 
of an iPhone through obsolescence, those would be the issues determining 
where to go.



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From: Phil philso1...@gmail.com

To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Everyone, What do you consider when choosing a phone?


Hi everyone,
Hope you are doing well.
I was wondering, what are some of the things you consider when buying
a phone, either smartphone or basic phone? For example, some people
must choose a phone that has physical keys, some people choose phone
based on what blind-specific apps are on that platform, some people
don't want touchscreen, and of course price.
I'm doing a research and would love to know what are maybe top 5 to 7
things you consider. Just whatever things come to your mind right
away.
And please also kindly share with us what phone you're using now.
It should be interesting to see how we choose our phone differently.
Thanks a lot!
Best,
Phil

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Re: Ringtones Again

[Gary Petraccaro]

I can do the converting with no problems.  I can get it back on the phone, too. 
 What I don't know how to do is get it out of my message on the phone and into 
iTunes on my computer.
I know.  Abysmal ignorance, but there it is.
Suggestions welcomed.
Thanks.

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 2:56 PM
  Subject: RE: Ringtones Again


  Hi Gary,

   

  You can import it into iTunes easily enough, but you can’t use an MP3 
ringtone on your iPhone, it will have to be converted to M4A format and then 
renamed with an M4R extension.

   

  In order to add it to your iTunes music library (it will be recognized by 
iTunes as a song), it’s probably just the easiest if you copy it into the 
“Automatically add to iTunes” folder which is located in your iTunes media 
folder. Let me know if uyou need more specific instructions, but I just assume 
you know how to find your iTunes Media and automatically Add to iTunes folder 
and that you know how to copy and paste the ringtone.

   

  Make sure iTunes is closed first, then copy it and open iTunes. iTunes should 
move the ringtone automatically to your music folder and add it to your music 
library, you’ll have to find it there. If it has no ID3 tags, it will most 
likely be at the very bottom of your list of songs.

   

  Now, as for converting it:

   

  First go to “Edit” and “Preferences” and tab down in the General tab to 
“Import”. Activate the button and make sure the setting is “AAC Encoder”.

   

  Next, when you are on the ringtone, right click on it and arrow down to 
“Create AAc Version” and press enter. This will make an M4A version of your 
rington which should be right underneath the original version.

   

  Now right click on that one and select “show in Windows Explorer” from the 
menu. This will open the folder where the ringtone is located, most likely your 
music folder in iTunes Media and put you right on it.

   

  I recommend you cut the song from there and then go to your Tones or 
ringtones folder and paste it here.

   

  Now you have to rename the extension from M4A to M4R. Most likely your 
extensions will be hidden, in order to show them go to “Tools” and “Folder 
Options” when you are in the Ringtones folder, Control+Tab once to the “View” 
tab, tab twice to put focus into the treeview of options and then page down. 
This should put you on or close to the entry you want. You may have to arrow 
down once or twice, in any way, arrow around until you find the following entry:

   

  Hide extensions for known file types – On

   

  You can toggle this on and off by pressing the space bar. If it is on, press 
space once so it’s off, then tab twice to the “OK” button and activate it.

   

  Now when you are on your ringtone, you should hear its name and the 
extension. For example, if the ringtone is called “Office Phone Modern”, you 
would hear “Office Phone Modern.m4a”. You can now use F2 to rename the file, 
most important is that you have to make sure to change the letter A at the end 
to an R, it should read “Office Phone Modern.m4r” to use my example.

   

  Once that has been accomplished, you can go back to Tools and folder Options, 
Control+Tab, tab twice into the treeview and find the “Hide extensions for 
known file types” again, change it back to “On” with the spacebar and select 
“OK”.

   

  Lastly, when you are back on your new M4R ringtone, press enter on it, that 
should start it playing in iTunes and that action will automatically make sure 
it is added to your tones library.

   

  You are now ready to sync it to your phone. If you have iTunes already set up 
to sync all tones, you just have to initiate a sync. If you haven’t synced any 
tones or have it set to sync only selected tones, you have to connecrt your 
phone, go to your device, then tab into the list view which starts with 
“Summary” and find Tones. Now tab until you get to the checkbox to “Sync 
tones”, check it and tab on to either “Sync All Tones” or “Sync Selected 
tones”. If you choose to sync selected tones, you have to also tab into the 
listview of tones and find the ones you want, check them by pressing the 
spacebar and then do a sync.

   

  I know this all sounds very complicated, but it really is not so hard once 
you do it a few times. If you don’t want to go through all the steps to rename 
the ringtone, just send it to me as an attachment, you can use siegh...@live.ca 
and I’ll convert and rename it for you and send it back, then you just have to 
copy it into your tones folder and press enter on it to play it. Of course you 
still have to sync it to your phone.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gary Petraccaro
  Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 1:44 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Ringtones Again

   

  Someone just sent me a message with a ringtone

Ringtones Again

[Gary Petraccaro]

Someone just sent me a message with a ringtone attached.  It's an MP3.  How do 
I save it to iTunes on my Win7 64-bit computer?  Thanks.

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Voice Dream Reader Ipods?

[Gary Petraccaro]

Says it all.
If anyone knows, thanks.

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Pandora

[Gary Petraccaro]

I could use some very basic instructions on how to create a station.  I checked 
Applevis and didn't find anything showing that.  I would appreciate some 
suggestions.
Thanks.

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Re: Texting Multiple Recipients On An IPhone 5s and IO#S 8.1.2

[Gary Petraccaro]

You could use Siri.  Say, Send a text message to name1 and name2 and name3.  
Standard dictate from there.
(Obviously, use the names of the people you want in place of 1 and 2, etc.)

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  Subject: Texting Multiple Recipients On An IPhone 5s and IO#S 8.1.2


  Hi friends,

   

  Does anyone know an easy way to text multiple recipients on IOS 8?  At the 
moment, I have to go in to messaging, compose and then select add recipient.

  I add the recipient and then the phone goes back to themessage screen, I then 
have to click add recipient again and go through my contacts to find the next 
person.  It always defaults back to the start of my contacts as well and this 
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Re: Pandora Problems

[Gary Petraccaro]

Email and password.  grin  It's so long ago that I set it that I got the 
email wrong and forgot the password.  Then I didn't get back to Pandora until a 
couple of days ago.

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  From: Joseph Hudson 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Pandora Problems


  Hi, what settings are you willing to change and Pandora?

  Do you have a problem navigating social media? Do you find that email is the 
best way to communicate, are you interested in meeting new people and making 
new friends? Then we have created a group for you.this group, is where blind 
and deaf individuals can get together and socialize in communicate. If you were 
interested please subscribe here.
  http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org or send 
a blank message to
  chat-request@list.ntxability.orgSent from my iPhone

  On Jan 2, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com wrote:


I have to reset my Pandora account.  I have set it up on the computer, but 
I cannot change my iPhone settings.  When I try, it won't let me edit.  How do 
I substitute the account I set up on the computer?  Any ideas welcome.  Thanks.


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Pandora Problems

[Gary Petraccaro]

I have to reset my Pandora account.  I have set it up on the computer, but I 
cannot change my iPhone settings.  When I try, it won't let me edit.  How do I 
substitute the account I set up on the computer?  Any ideas welcome.  Thanks.

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Pandora

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've started a station (I think) on Pandora.  Right now, it's all '60's.  I 
want to make it multi-genre and multi-decade.  Can I do that?  How?
Is there somewhere that explains this in detail?  Thanks and Merry Christmas.

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Re: Kindle book cannot be read using iOS Kindle app

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've only seen 1 book out of several hundred where this is true.  It was a 
cartoon book about cats.  What book are you talking about.  As an aside, why 
when people raise these kinds of questions do they Never give information?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Howard Dupuis 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 4:11 PM
  Subject: Kindle book cannot be read using iOS Kindle app


  Hello. I only recently began to play around with the Kindle app for iOS. I 
bought a couple of books and enjoyed reading them on my iPad. Until today. I 
purchased a new book -- published just this year by the Oxford University Press 
-- only to find out that it wasn't accessible. From what I can gather, it would 
seem to be some sort of image that VoiceOver cannot access. Two questions: 1) 
Is this common? 2) Is there some way to know before buying the book if it will 
work with the iOS app for the iPad? Thanks very much.


  -- Howard

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Re: notification center

[Gary Petraccaro]

I have had a problem with the shift key not responding to a doubletap.  What 
worked for me and which surprised me, btw, was that changing the rate of the 
doubletap made a difference in how the shift key worked.  I had to slow down 
my usual speed.  What I usually did worked for my 7.12 iPhone but not with 
this different 8.1.1 iPhone 5.  Just a thought.


- Original Message - 
From: Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: notification center


Nope I cannot clear the notifications in my notification center since 
updating to iOS 8.1.1 I used to be able in iOS 7.1.2.  In order to do it I 
must turn off VO  use my residual vision to accomplish this.


Yes I've rebooted the phone several times and also done a hard reset.  Any 
other suggestions?


Many Thanks,

Katey

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 18, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


No luck. Oh well.

On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

You should be able to clear notifications by either doing a double tap 
where it says Confirm clear section and then do a second double tap or 
for most people a fast 1-finger triple tap will work to clear each 
section.



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Subject: notification center

Hi:
I cannot clear notifications in the notification center running v 8.1. Is 
it just me?


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Re: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

I have to agree as well.  Case in point:  I was trying to tune into a 
football game on Direct TV for my wife so she would miss as little of her 
game as possible.  I looked for the game, and found a likely channel.  What 
sounded like the game I wanted came on and then the audio blanked.  When my 
wife got back to the tv, she said that there was a notice about a search 
feature of some kind.  There was no sound at all.  When I tried turning the 
receiver off and on, same thing.  I immediately called the 800 number for 
Direct TV and she and I spoke with them to make the point about this being a 
decidedly less than successful way of dealing with the situation.  Btw, the 
notice said to turn to the wrong channel (snicker.  I doubt that any 
changes will be made, but not registering the point would have been 
counterproductive.  Same with Apple Accessibility.  These people are here, 
talk to them.  The people on this list can be helpful, but, if no help is 
forthcoming or no solution, then bug Apple.  They can't respond to a problem 
unless they know about it.


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with 
IOs 8.1.1



All this is true, but many iPhone users and many members of this list
will point out that the iPhone gives you the best accessibility on a
smart phone. I don't think Pablo or anyone else should have to choose
between the best accessibility experience on a smart phone and putting
up with these bugs in subsequent releases of major versions of IOS. I
don't always agree with Pablo, but I think he has every right to
complain and be frustrated with IOS 7 and now IOS 8. I'm sure Pablo pays
the same for his iPhone as everyone else does. This isn't a cheap
device, and I don't think it's too much to expect that it should work as
documented. I'm not saying it should be perfect or bug free, but I'm
still dealing with a few pretty frustrating bugs over two months after
IOS 8 was released.

On 11/28/2014 05:27 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
I don’t usually respond to topics like  this one.  But being a member of 
this list, it’s becoming a bit annoying. Pablo, you stated that you left 
your home country because of the lack of freedom. So why not leave apple 
for some other platform if you believe so strongly that apple has no real 
concern for accessibility. In this country, you have that freedom. Some of 
your IOS problem appears to be human error. For example, you can’t 
convince me that the triple click of the home button gets you in to the 
app switcher. Unless because of all of your negative complaining apple has 
decided to target your phone exclusively! Smiles, lighten up man! It can’t 
be that bad can it? You are still here, still using apple products smiles 
and still exercising your freedom to point out to everyone listening 
everything negative with apple IOS software. Smiles, ok, I’m done 
exercising my rights to comment about you exercising your rights to 
complain about appple IOS!On Nov 27, 2014, at 7:42 PM

, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:


I see. IOS 8.1.1 is the fourth release of the IOS 8 firmware. It's been 
out for more than 2 months, more than 1/6 or 16% of it's life expectancy. 
How long do people have to wait before upgrading and being able to take 
advantage of the new features without being portrayed as pioneers? We're 
not talking about beta testers. If I recall, it wasn't until late January 
or sometime in February before I moved up to a version of IOS 7 that 
squashed the most annoying bugs I had with IOS 7.


On 11/27/2014 05:47 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

The reference to being a pioneer is regarding those that chose to
immediately install newly available firmware, risking being the first to
get bugs.

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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting
with IOs 8.1.1


I don't get the pioneers reference. I don't see people moving to Apple
products as being pioneers. Apple has been making PC's longer than IBM
and Apple created the smart phone market in the US.

I also don't understand the discussion about Windows and other
technologies not protecting a user's investment. Every PC I have in my
house is older than my iPhone 4S, and they'll still be running an OS
supported by Microsoft long after Apple stops supporting my 4S.
Microsoft also supported Windows XP for over ten years. I can't think of
another company who's supported an OS for nearly that long. BTW, my
PC's, when they're running Windows, are using NVDA for their screen
reading solution. I don't think one applications upgrade model should
define the entire Windows 

Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

I have not been following your iPhone problems, so please answer one 
question for me.  Did you ever exchange your phone for another unit or is 
this the same phone which has been giving you problems?


- Original Message - 
From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1


Raul, I don't want to be arguing with you , really it is not helpful for the 
list. But I have to clarify that my porpoise is , advice and help everybody, 
even me.
I don't know if you remember, since I started writing emails to the list, 
regarding IOs problems, that I have been saying, that if we are customers of 
apple, we should push apple to do a better job. It is my porpoise. If we 
stay quiet, apple will not improve the quality of IOs. Do you Remember IOs 
6?, it had some bugs, remember Ios 7? It had more bugs than IOs 6, and look 
IOs 8, the worse IOs that the customers has seen. Looks like every year the 
quality is lower, and lower, and lower.

Why is it happening?
Easy, because apple is not feeling that they need to improve the IOs 
quality.
A few days I read on the list, someone saying that apple is doing a good 
job, because in a few weeks, they have release 2 updates of IOs 8. I don't 
see this issue on the same way. If they have to fix things, it is because 
there were things to be fix. Again Raul, if we always are happy with 
whatever apple is doing, always they will decrease the quality.
My advice to everybody, is write to apple, call them, make a lot of noise, 
then they will take care about what are the problems of their customers, but 
been good boys, quiet, they will not feel the need to improve anything.

I hope that you see now what is my porpoise writing not positive messages.
Pablo tired of IOs bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of RobH.

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1

I think he means, he usually means:-

if it's not advice that is useful or helps someone, then it serves no real
purpose on the list.   There have been timely warnings about bugs to save a
few falling over them,  that at least was useful.
He encourages us to ask ourselves - does this add to the knowledge presented
so far.

I think that about summarises it,  hope I don't go getting flack for saying
so.

Rh.

- Original Message - 
From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1


Hi Raul.
In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the
messages posted to the list, should be something that is positive for apple.
Are you owner of apple?
No, right?
Ok, so if I am in disagreement with the way how apple is handling the
accessibility, something that affect me, you, and everybody in this email
list. What is your problem?
That my emails are not saying that IOs 8.x is great?
No, it is not great, and you know that.
That the way how apple is pushing everybody to upgrade their devices, not
allowing to reinstall the IOs that the people has already installed is not
fair, is not good?
Well, Raul, maybe it is something that is not positive, but it is true.
That IOs 8.1.1, after I asked here if they fixed the bugs that IOs 8 had,
and after read emails saying that there are some bugs, and other people
saying that IOs 8.1.1 is great, for example Sieghard. Person that looks like
he works with this matter, and has knowledge.
What is your problem  if after read the post in the list, and after see that
I wasn't able to  do a restore of my iPhone with the same version of IOs
7.1.2 that I had installed, I feel me frustrated?
This email list is only for people who works for apple, or people who is
happy  with apple?
No, I don't think so, I understand that this email list is to talk about
accessibility in apple devices, right?
Talk about accessibility  is everything, good and bad things.
You remind me my country. In my country, or you support the government,
talking very good about the government, or you become in nothing, you lose
your job, and you don't receive any support from any authority. Because of
that I left my country, and now I am living in a great country, with
freedom.
Any way, as owner of this email list, you can do what ever you want.
I am very frustrated with apple, with IOs, with the policies of apple, and I
got the freedom to say that I am getting a  lot of problems with the IOs,
and also I have the freedom to be mad with the way how apple is handling the
Updates. Or to be mad for the low quality of IOs. I am not insulting you or
any body here, aas other members of the list has done against me before.
And by the way, you didn't do anything about it.




-Original Message-
From: 

Shift In 8.1.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

I'm seeing a bug with the shift key in touch typing.  I think that's what it's 
called.  When I tripple tap the shift key, it goes to typing uppercase.  Either 
tripple tapping or double tapping does not bring back lowercase.  Likewise, if 
I doubletap the shift, it goes to uppercase, but after typing an uppercase 
letter, it does not revert to lowercase.
Anybody else seeing this?

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Re: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1

[Gary Petraccaro]

Plus, you can put Linux on that PC.  And there's K1000 and GWMicro.

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with 
IOs 8.1.1



I don't get the pioneers reference. I don't see people moving to Apple
products as being pioneers. Apple has been making PC's longer than IBM
and Apple created the smart phone market in the US.

I also don't understand the discussion about Windows and other
technologies not protecting a user's investment. Every PC I have in my
house is older than my iPhone 4S, and they'll still be running an OS
supported by Microsoft long after Apple stops supporting my 4S.
Microsoft also supported Windows XP for over ten years. I can't think of
another company who's supported an OS for nearly that long. BTW, my
PC's, when they're running Windows, are using NVDA for their screen
reading solution. I don't think one applications upgrade model should
define the entire Windows ecosystem.

I myself have also been frustrated with Apple and both the updates to
IOS 7 and now IOS 8. I think Apple will eventually make it right,but
iPhones aren't cheap, and I don't think I should have to settle for a
sub par experience for a few months every year just because I choose to
upgrade my operating system to take advantage of new features on a
supported device. I think some of the criticism of Apple is over the
top, but I also think for things to improve in the future, Apple needs
to hear some frustration from the blindness community. I see myself as
more conciliatory, but I know from my experience in product development
and my association with accessibility professionals is that frustration
needs to be heard. Regardless of Apple's commitment to accessibility,
they are a company looking at the bottom line, and if they think they
can invest a bit less in accessibility because the blindness community
is happy with whatever we get then they will be tempted to spend less on
accessibility.

On 11/27/2014 11:22 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

Ha ha ha! Very well put Charles, pioneers are indeed usually the first
to encounter arrows!

That is funny -- methinks I'll save this for future correspondence (on
other lists of course)!

Holland's Boy, Bill
- Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off
their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
- Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with
IOs 8.1.1


Pioneers are usually the first to encounter arrows.  Always, when a new
operating system is introduced, keep this in mind.

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you! really! are! finished!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1


I for one, will not ever install any future versions of X.0 where X 
might

be 9, 10, 11 or whatever future version releases may be forthcoming
until most accessibility bugs are resolved -- I hope to live long enough 
to

see iOS 40.???!

The disruptions I experienced in moving from 7.1.2 to 8.0 and beyond has
been quite frustrating.  Prudence dictates that I (and other blind
individuals) take a much more cautious approach in upgrading to new iOS
versions and I would advise all here to exercise such caution.

That said, I still prefer Apple's business model over that of competing
technology platforms.  I for one am quite tired of the exorbitant fees to
maintain software licenses to permit me to use a technology framework that
seemingly completely disregards the customer investment  - yes indeed, I 
am

referring to the cavalier attitude Windows manifests and the charges to
retain JAWS.  I do agree with Pablo that Apple sorely dropped the
accessibility ball in the case of the 8.0 version release; but unlike 
Pablo
I'm confident that Apple is striving to make it right.  I intend to buy 
a

Mac very soon and bid a fond farewell to Microsoft and Freedom Scientific
because, if my iPhone experience is any indication, Apple does care about
protecting their customers' investments.

Holland's Boy, Bill
- Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off 
their

guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
- Original Message - From: Pablo Morales
pablomorale...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1


Hi Raul.
In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the
messages posted to the list, should be something that 

Re: [New post] 'Shockingly bad' Google Android 5.0 Lollipop update bricks phones, tablets; kills apps

[Gary Petraccaro]

There is total sales in dollars and by unit.  Which are we talking about 
here?

Thanks.

- Original Message - 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [New post] 'Shockingly bad' Google Android 5.0 Lollipop update 
bricks phones, tablets; kills apps



One of the pages where IDC shows smart phone market share year to year
going back to 2011 is
http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp It does show
market share for Samsung slipping and being taken up by other Android
competitors. This data is three or four months old, so I wouldn't be
surprise if Samsung market share has slipped a bit more to LG and HTC.
It also doesn't take into account yet the iPhone 6, so again I wouldn't
be surprised if Apple has picked up a few points recently.


On 11/21/2014 10:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm getting on a plane to Buffalo first thing tomorrow, 
so I don't have time to respond in depth.  The point about the cheaper 
phones was actually the one I was trying to make as far as longevity of 
the product and why the manufacturers want you to buy or will give the 
cheaper devices for free.  It also ties into market share because Apple is 
one of the few companies that only counts sold products as sales numbers. 
Samsung and many other companies count items shipped as sales totals. 
There is a big difference in the numbers shipped to stores and the product 
actually sold to end users.  Ask Microsoft about the Zune ... Include the 
freebies and the Android market is rather distorted overall.


Lastly, I'm not sure what numbers you are reading, but Apple has been 
gaining overall market share in the handset arena, especially overseas, 
while Samsung is actually losing.  In fact, they are now being out sold by 
another company in their own country.  There last couple of devices have 
been busts.  Sorry, but I can't go digging for numbers and stats at the 
moment.  I'm out of here until after turkey day.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
Mountain Lion


AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I agree with what you're saying on balance, but I do have a few comments 
on some of your information.


Android will run on much lower end phones than your iPhone, and 
manufacturers are producing very cheal and low end smart phones running 
Android. These are the phones that are being given away for free and 
these are the phones that are being returned. You get what you pay for, 
and being able to offer low end smart phones to people who can't afford 
Apple products is a good thing. You can't compare these phones to the 
high end Android phones or the iPhone though.


I'm also not sure about your statement that Apple is out selling all 
other devices out there. According to IDC, Samsung has had a larger share 
of the smart phone market than Apple since 2011. This coincides with when 
Tim Cook took over, so I'm not sure what marketing data you're referring 
to when you say that it proves that Tim Cook isn't leading Apple down the 
path to destruction. BTW, I don't think Tim Cook is spear heading the 
demise of Apple. Obviously, the fact that Apple doesn't play in the low 
end space and didn't embrace larger phones until recently were decisions 
that were made long before Tim Cook took over.


Actually, I don't think things are spinning out of control at Apple at 
all. I think it's a lot of hype generated by the media and bloggers, 
although I do think Apple should have embrace more form factors, 
including a larger screen size earlier. I also think breaking into the 
low end market would be a good move for Apple, but they'd have to do it 
without soiling Apple's image of putting out high end quality devices. Of 
course, there are much smarter people at Apple looking at these things, 
and who am I to second guess one of the wealthiest and most successful 
companies ever.



On 11/21/2014 08:43 AM, John Panarese wrote:
   No, actually that is not my problem with Android.  If you have used 
technology solutions for as many years as I have, you understand and 
expect that no solution is the same.  I don't expect iOS to behave the 
same as Android or vice versa in the same way I never expected Mac OS to 
behave like Windows.  There is no one size fits all solution when it 
comes to accessibility and I think most iOS users realize that.  They 
choose iOS because it is easy to use and its progressing and despite its 
bugs, it still gives us just about the same access as our sighted 
friends and family with little fuss or concern over what particular 
device can run what particular version of iOS.  If I 

Re: Anyone else having trouble engaging Siri?

[Gary Petraccaro]

Suggest either Apple Access and I believe the number is 877-204-3930
If they can't help, go to the Apple Store.
This sounds like what I was going through.  After I exchanged my phone for 
another same model phone, the problems diminished.  There's the occasional 
glitch, but nowhere near what I was going through before.

Hope this helps.

- Original Message - 
From: Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 4:24 PM
Subject: Anyone else having trouble engaging Siri?


I often cannot engage Siri and my speech disappears very often. I’m trying 
to figure out if this is a bug or if this warrants a visit to the apple 
store. If I am in Safari and I press the home button to engage Siri, I get a 
tone and then a bong. I cannot use Siri unless I go back to the home screen. 
Often, I will completely lose speech after using Siri. I also have this same 
problem when using the messages app. I did a complete restore on my phone 
and set it up as a new phone. :( The problem is still persisting. I started 
from scratch just to make sure. I am on a iPhone 5S running the latest iOS 
version 8.1.1.


I am an avid Siri user and this has become a real frustration. I also 
sometimes cannot engage Siri at all via the home button when I am at the 
home screen and I have to do a phone restart. I have tried everything that I 
can think of.


Thanks,
Christina

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Re: iOS 8.1.1 has been released

[Gary Petraccaro]

Are you sure your phone isn't the problem?  Do you have insurrance to get a 
replacement phone?


- Original Message - 
From: Jessica Dail jldai...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 8.1.1 has been released


I tried that as well. It didn't work. In fact, the button didn't do 
anything. I did a full restore the other day because of some other issues. 
That didn't fix it either.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Alvin alvin@gmail.com wrote:

Try single finger triple tab.



On 20 Nov 2014, at 8:19 pm, Jessica Dail jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

I tried  a hard reset. It did not work. What  else can I try?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Jessica,

It seems very few people can't clear their sections in notification 
centre. I can't remember who it was, but somebody who said the triple tap 
with one finger or a double tap followed by another double tap wasn't 
working for them until they did I think a hard reset of the iPhone. Once 
again, most of us can clear the notification centre just as easily as we 
can move apps around with Voiceover running.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jessica Dail

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 8.1.1 has been released

With regard to the Notification Center bug, in order to clear my 
notifications today, I had to turn off voice over. I don't know what 
someone who isn't able to do this would do.  I would highly suggest that 
everyone report this to Apple Accessability.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I still have the bug on my iPhone 4S where touching the delete button, 
or any button in the Mail app, doesn't actually give that button 
VocieOver focus. I have to swipe to a button to make sure that a double 
tap will activate the right button.



On 11/19/2014 10:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Davy,

All gone is a touch optimistic. Apart from the two issues you
mentioned, some people still can’t clear notifications and the button
still says “Confirm Clear Section” where it should just say “Clear
Section” and then go to “Confirm clear section” once you double tap it.

Also, if you go to Settings, Sounds and go into where  you change
your default ringtone or text tone, you are still kicked back to the
home screen if you start swiping right and once you get onto the
vibration picker. There is an easy work-around for this which is not
to swipe, but to first touch the middle of the screen and then swipe,
but it’s still a bug.

The search field in the App Store still shows whatever you searched
for even if you clear the field with “Clear all” and even though the
field visually is empty if you double tap Clear All twice Voiceover
will read your last entered text.

The keypad tones still disappear a while after my last reboot of the
phone, once again, not a big deal, but a minor bug.

These are some bugs I can think of right now, others have been
mentioned and Apple still has a way to go.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Davy Cuppens
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:11 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: iOS 8.1.1 has been released

They are all gone except for the moving app near the doc bug and all
safari bugs are still there.

Regards

Davy

*From:*Pablo Morales mailto:pablomorale...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:12 AM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com

*Subject:*RE: iOS 8.1.1 has been released

what about the bugs that has been annoying the voice over users, they
are gone, or still they are in IOs?

Thanks

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 1:12 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* iOS 8.1.1 has been released

Subject says it, just use the usual precautions:

1. Sync and backup your phone either to iCloud or iTunes

2. Make sure all apps are updated

3. Remove all apps from the app switcher and at least reboot your
phone by turning it off and on again or do a Reset all Network
settings which will also reboot your phone.

Happy updating,

Sieghard

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Re: Importing ring tones into IPhone6 with IOS8.1.1 using ITunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

I have Star Trek ringtones on my iPhone 5 using 8.1.1.  I just tested and 
they're still there.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Neal Ewers 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:14 AM
  Subject: RE: Importing ring tones into IPhone6 with IOS8.1.1 using ITunes


  Hi, I was recently told by a person at Apple Accessibility that Apple was no 
longer going to support ringTones that were not purchased from the app store. 
If this is true, then the question becomes, what does it mean. Does it mean 
that they will simply not help you work out how to do this? Or, does it mean 
that eventually one will not be able to actually get unpaid ringTones onto the 
phone? I have not tried this in iOS 8 on the iPhone 6, but I wonder if anyone 
has done so?

   

  Neal

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Don Risavy, Jr.
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:32 PM
  To: VIPhone
  Subject: Importing ring tones into IPhone6 with IOS8.1.1 using ITunes

   

  Wondered how can I import any downloadable ring tones that used on my IPhone5 
to be used on my IPhone6 using ITunes 12?

  Didn’t find the ring tone on my new phone when restored things from a backup.

  Also how do you show the contacts folder on the home screen as haven’t 
figured out how to do that.

  Thanks.

   

   

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Restoring With Itunes 12

[Gary Petraccaro]

I'm not familiar with either iTunes or especially 12.  How do I use it to 
restore a backup?
Thanks

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About My Phone

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've gotten 2 notices about my updating my phone having successful today.  I 
looked at the About section of Settings and it said 8.1 B 411.  I sure remember 
downloading 8.2 and I have no update options listed.  It's an iPhone 5 if 
that's meaningful.
What should it say?
Thanks.

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Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+

[Gary Petraccaro]

My friend is a Droid user and the phone works fine.  She just chooses not to 
do voice on her phone.  The mailbox is always full and all contact is 
through texting.  I've detailed what happens when I try to text, and it 
happens whether I use the locked screen to initiate the text or unlock the 
phone.  Did the reinstall and all that and after what I thought was an 
improvement, things went back to the status quo ante.  I called my carrier 
and got a negative response to whether updating to a newer phone would help.


- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:41 AM
Subject: RE: wi-fi cutting out on 6+


Hi Gary and Mary Anne,

I understand your frustration, but while a few people seem to have WiFi 
issues, it does not to be anywhere near a large percentage. I have a 5S and 
WiFi works as good as it always has. I have been using iO?S 8 throughout the 
entire beta cycle since Beta 1 in June and while I agree that there are 
problems and also feel that Apple should have had some of these fixed by the 
time iOS 8 was released, I had no WiFi issues throughout the beta cycle. I 
really wonder what the variables are which cause these issues. You also 
mentioned a friend who is only using text messages. What issues does he have 
with regular phone calls? Once again, I am not aware of major bugs here 
except that for some people call display announcements don't seem to work or 
not work consistently, but that doesn't affect the actual phone call.
As for Mary Anne, I have not seen any messages with information as to what 
you have tried to fix this. Have you done a reset all network settings and, 
if all else fails, a reinstall of iOS 8.1 including setting up as a new 
device?



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gary Petraccaro

Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+

Make sure you call the Apple Accessibility line and/or write the 
Accessibility people and tell them what you've just said and how you feel.
I am in the same boat, though with different problems.  It's gotten to the 
point where I don't even carry the phone around with me anymore.  I have a 
friend who has decided to go voiceless in terms of phone contact and deals 
solely in text messages and getting out only one of four has become more of 
a waste of time than I can justify.  For what it's worth, I called my 
carrier and asked whether I should consider upgrading to the 6 or 6 plus.
The salesman said I'd be having similar problems to what I have now.  Yeah, 
I can listen to football games on the weekends and I have a clock app which 
I enjoy hearing, but those are decidely secondary aspects of why I wanted 
this phone.

Good Luck.

- Original Message -
From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+


I have I5 iPhone % and have been losing wireless since upgrade to IoS 8.
It is terrible. I must keep my cellular turned off or it will use my
data. Have to go to settings and turn wifi off and on again. Sometimes
that won't even work. I have to restart the phone before it works. I
have noticed lots of buffering too. There are androids in the house
without this problem. There are numerous problems with Ios *8.1 and I am
frankly becoming fed up with the whole thing. I can't move apps around
consistently, if at all. They are scattered everywhere and I can't put
them into folders for any organization. I get very few call
announcements. Many apps that used to work just fine are now broken.
When is Apple going to get their act together and fix these problems?
Are they dumping their commitment to accessibility with the new regime
or what? Too busy working on stupid gadgets like that idiotic watch
instead of fixing all the broken parts in Ios8. I for one will start
learning to use my brother's android if this keeps up. I really like
what Apple used to be but am becoming very disillusioned since they are
taking so long to respond to these issues. Iphone cost a serious amount
of money to have become so dysfunctional. And I know many of my sighted
friends and coworkers who do not like this new iOs 8, so there are many
more issues than an accessibility going on here. Let's hope they do
something about this very soon.

In summary, those of you who are having wifi issues are not imagining
it. It's for real! It's not your router or your iPhone, or your carrier,
it's the half-fast operating system.

Mary Anne


On 11/4/2014 3:56 PM, Isaac Hebert wrote:

I could be wrong but I would think that this would be you're wifi network
that is the problem here not the bible app but I could be wrong.



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Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+

[Gary Petraccaro]

Mine's not a WIFI issue.  It's a text message sending issue.  It happens no 
matter when or to whom I try to send text messages.  My wifi issue is with 
Fox News which cuts out after playing the Fox New station for 5-10 minutes. 
I have no idea whether that's the phone since I never used it with 7. or 6. 
It may well be my iPhone 5.  I just can't justify having someone take me 
back and forth to a store to see if a new iPhone will fix the problem--not 
at Apple's pricing.  Thanks for the offer of help, btw, much appreciated.



- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: wi-fi cutting out on 6+


Hi Gary,

OK, I guess everybody needs to do what they need to do. I must have missed 
the details of the issue y ou are having with texting or forgotten given all 
the messages on the list. If you wish and if you still have the message, 
send it to me at siegh...@live.ca. I can't of course promise I have anything 
to say which might help.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gary Petraccaro

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 5:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+

My friend is a Droid user and the phone works fine.  She just chooses not to 
do voice on her phone.  The mailbox is always full and all contact is 
through texting.  I've detailed what happens when I try to text, and it 
happens whether I use the locked screen to initiate the text or unlock the 
phone.  Did the reinstall and all that and after what I thought was an 
improvement, things went back to the status quo ante.  I called my carrier 
and got a negative response to whether updating to a newer phone would help.


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:41 AM
Subject: RE: wi-fi cutting out on 6+


Hi Gary and Mary Anne,

I understand your frustration, but while a few people seem to have WiFi
issues, it does not to be anywhere near a large percentage. I have a 5S and
WiFi works as good as it always has. I have been using iO?S 8 throughout the
entire beta cycle since Beta 1 in June and while I agree that there are
problems and also feel that Apple should have had some of these fixed by the
time iOS 8 was released, I had no WiFi issues throughout the beta cycle. I
really wonder what the variables are which cause these issues. You also
mentioned a friend who is only using text messages. What issues does he have
with regular phone calls? Once again, I am not aware of major bugs here
except that for some people call display announcements don't seem to work or
not work consistently, but that doesn't affect the actual phone call.
As for Mary Anne, I have not seen any messages with information as to what
you have tried to fix this. Have you done a reset all network settings and,
if all else fails, a reinstall of iOS 8.1 including setting up as a new
device?


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gary Petraccaro
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+

Make sure you call the Apple Accessibility line and/or write the
Accessibility people and tell them what you've just said and how you feel.
I am in the same boat, though with different problems.  It's gotten to the
point where I don't even carry the phone around with me anymore.  I have a
friend who has decided to go voiceless in terms of phone contact and deals
solely in text messages and getting out only one of four has become more of
a waste of time than I can justify.  For what it's worth, I called my
carrier and asked whether I should consider upgrading to the 6 or 6 plus.
The salesman said I'd be having similar problems to what I have now.  Yeah,
I can listen to football games on the weekends and I have a clock app which
I enjoy hearing, but those are decidely secondary aspects of why I wanted
this phone.
Good Luck.

- Original Message -
From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+


I have I5 iPhone % and have been losing wireless since upgrade to IoS 8.
It is terrible. I must keep my cellular turned off or it will use my
data. Have to go to settings and turn wifi off and on again. Sometimes
that won't even work. I have to restart the phone before it works. I
have noticed lots of buffering too. There are androids in the house
without this problem. There are numerous problems with Ios *8.1 and I am
frankly becoming fed up with the whole thing. I can't move apps around
consistently, if at all. They are scattered everywhere and I can't put
them into folders for any organization. I get very few call
announcements

Re: All Football ap

[Gary Petraccaro]

Sorry to ask, but what's the purpose of selecting the week?
I usually just select college or pro, teams, and look for the team of interest. 
 I usually ask Siri about the upcoming game so I know when it's going to be on. 
 Thanks in advance.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gail the U. S. Male 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:09 AM
  Subject: Re: All Football ap


  I'm also using this app. in mine, I select the college button, select week 
one, and get a screen that ggives me a sound and says alert!  that's all it 
shows on the screen, no matter what I do! the part where you choose the pro 
teams still works though!
- Original Message - 
From: denise colley 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:46 PM
Subject: All Football ap


My husband is using an iphone 5s with IOS 8.1.  He has the All Football ap 
and  we have a question.  It used to be that when he went into college teams 
and then selected the week he wanted he could arrow up and down to get the week 
he wanted and then hit the done button.  Now when he tries to select the week 
he gets put into a menu that gives him speech rate options instead of his week 
selections.

 

Is anyone else using this ap and having this issue?  Suggestions?

 

 

denise


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Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+

[Gary Petraccaro]

Make sure you call the Apple Accessibility line and/or write the 
Accessibility people and tell them what you've just said and how you feel. 
I am in the same boat, though with different problems.  It's gotten to the 
point where I don't even carry the phone around with me anymore.  I have a 
friend who has decided to go voiceless in terms of phone contact and deals 
solely in text messages and getting out only one of four has become more of 
a waste of time than I can justify.  For what it's worth, I called my 
carrier and asked whether I should consider upgrading to the 6 or 6 plus. 
The salesman said I'd be having similar problems to what I have now.  Yeah, 
I can listen to football games on the weekends and I have a clock app which 
I enjoy hearing, but those are decidely secondary aspects of why I wanted 
this phone.

Good Luck.

- Original Message - 
From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: wi-fi cutting out on 6+


I have I5 iPhone % and have been losing wireless since upgrade to IoS 8.
It is terrible. I must keep my cellular turned off or it will use my
data. Have to go to settings and turn wifi off and on again. Sometimes
that won't even work. I have to restart the phone before it works. I
have noticed lots of buffering too. There are androids in the house
without this problem. There are numerous problems with Ios *8.1 and I am
frankly becoming fed up with the whole thing. I can't move apps around
consistently, if at all. They are scattered everywhere and I can't put
them into folders for any organization. I get very few call
announcements. Many apps that used to work just fine are now broken.
When is Apple going to get their act together and fix these problems?
Are they dumping their commitment to accessibility with the new regime
or what? Too busy working on stupid gadgets like that idiotic watch
instead of fixing all the broken parts in Ios8. I for one will start
learning to use my brother's android if this keeps up. I really like
what Apple used to be but am becoming very disillusioned since they are
taking so long to respond to these issues. Iphone cost a serious amount
of money to have become so dysfunctional. And I know many of my sighted
friends and coworkers who do not like this new iOs 8, so there are many
more issues than an accessibility going on here. Let's hope they do
something about this very soon.

In summary, those of you who are having wifi issues are not imagining
it. It's for real! It's not your router or your iPhone, or your carrier,
it's the half-fast operating system.

Mary Anne


On 11/4/2014 3:56 PM, Isaac Hebert wrote:
I could be wrong but I would think that this would be you're wifi network 
that is the problem here not the bible app but I could be wrong.




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Re: Is there a chime clock app that strikes every hour and every quarter hour

[Gary Petraccaro]

I found Marine Bells by accident.  I looked for it on a whim when this clock 
thread started.  It provides a ship's clock which runs a 4-hour cycle of 
chimes, 1 through 8 bells.  Very nice sound to my ears.  No spoken time and 
that's the way I like it.  Bells ring at half-hour intervals and add another 
chim every half-hour.  12-30 would be one 1 o'clock would be 2 and so on up 
to 4 o'clock would be 8.  Then recycle.


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Subject: RE: Is there a chime clock app that strikes every hour and every 
quarter hour



Hi, Kathy and others interested in chiming clock apps.  I really like the 
big ben app.  It has a nice deep chime on the quarter, half three quarters 
and hour.

God bless!
Paula and Boston

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Of Cathy Inglis

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:27 AM
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quarter hour


I have chime and cuckoo on my phone and they work. I have the woman's voice 
speak the time, and cuckoo's grandfather goe off too. I like the they work 
together.


Cathy and Tiny.


On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Paula,

This is one of the situations where syncing your phone to iTunes comes
in handy since even apps which get removed from the app store can be
used until they won't work any more for reasons of compatibility. If
you sync your apps with iTunes a physical copy of all your apps is
kept on your computer and you can sync these copies back to your phone.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Is there a chime clock app that strikes every hour and
every quarter hour

I was extremely upset when my phone was replaced and I realized that
Chime was no longer in the App Store. However, try Timely. It does the
same things and the voice is better.
Best of luck.

Regards,
Paula Mack


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Is there a chime app that will speak the time at the hour half hour
and

quarter hour?  This is why I hate it that chime is no longer in the
store. I am so afraid that I will loose it when I activate my new
phone.  Just got it today.  I am excited about getting it.  It is the
i-phone 6.  Oh well, Just hoping there is another app that will give
me a voice instead of a chime.  I like the chime, but I rely on hearing 
the time, lol.

Cathy  Pilot Dog, Tiny:
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