Question about notifications?

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I’m running the iPhone SE second generation. I’m using the 
latest version of iOS 16. Just wondering if there is a way to change the sounds 
on notifications so that I get a different sound for the weather channel for 
example, that I do for text messages. There used to be a way to change your 
sounds for different notifications. They didn’t seem to be a way to do that 
anymore. I have to hear the tri-town for everything and I would like to have it 
be a little bit different so that I hear a different town for the weather 
channel. For example, then I do for  Messages or Calendar, or WhatsApp. Just 
wondering if there is a way to change the notifications where I get a different 
sound for different apps on the iPhone. Appreciate any help that you might be 
able to give me. 

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Re: The weather channel app

[Michael Irons]

Hello, everybody just wanted to tell you that I have been playing around with 
the weather channel app and it is a challenge as far as Accessibility is 
concerned, but, if you turn on screen recognition while you’re in the weather 
channel app, it will read more things to you And if you tap on play video, it 
will play the videos to you and the ones that actually have somebody talking 
will be somewhat accessible to you the ones where they play music what we will 
not get anything out of. But, for those people they can see the screen time and 
can read some of it. Some of the videos could mean something to you. There is 
also an option for making the video film more of the screen.  That could help 
somebody who has some vision. The weather channel app may be hard to work with, 
but I would say don’t give up on it completely. All the alerts that it puts out 
or accessible. If you have worked with it, you know, a little bit about 
navigating it.  Weather Ology is definitely a lot easier to work with in years. 
It is.  Weather Ology is definitely a lot easier to work with and use. It is 
totally accessible and would probably work out better for most of us. 

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> On Apr 27, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Janet Wright  wrote:
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> how’s the weather channel app gotten any more accessible? Can you listen to 
> life feed of the weather channel through the weather channel app?
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Re: The weather channel app

[Michael Irons]

I agree with you Dennis on the Weatherology app. I have gotten it and worked 
with it and I see what you were talking about. It will definitely get better 
over time.

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> On Apr 27, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
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> Weatherology is a good app I only see getting better over time.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 3:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The weather channel app
> 
> I went ahead and got the Weatherology app. I was able to get alerts and 
> notifications on the weather channel app, but the rest of it was pretty 
> difficult for me to work with. Having a weather channel app that is 
> accessible is a matter of life and death for me. I happen to be in Norman 
> Oklahoma, where we get lots of storms, tornado watches, and occasionally a 
> tornado warning.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2024, at 12:15 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:
>> 
>> Janet, I don't know about the weather channel app.  But, weatherology is a 
>> free very accessible app.  There's even a voice that will read the weather 
>> forecast to you.  It's available in the apple app store.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
>> Wright
>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 12:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The weather channel app
>> 
>> how’s the weather channel app gotten any more accessible? Can you listen to 
>> life feed of the weather channel through the weather channel app?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: The weather channel app

[Michael Irons]

I went ahead and got the Weatherology app. I was able to get alerts and 
notifications on the weather channel app, but the rest of it was pretty 
difficult for me to work with. Having a weather channel app that is accessible 
is a matter of life and death for me. I happen to be in Norman Oklahoma, where 
we get lots of storms, tornado watches, and occasionally a tornado warning.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2024, at 12:15 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:
> 
> Janet, I don't know about the weather channel app.  But, weatherology is a 
> free very accessible app.  There's even a voice that will read the weather 
> forecast to you.  It's available in the apple app store.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
> Wright
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 12:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The weather channel app
> 
> how’s the weather channel app gotten any more accessible? Can you listen to 
> life feed of the weather channel through the weather channel app?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Mobile phone unwanted and scam monitoring.

[Michael Irons]

I am on Verizon. They do screen some calls for me like when the phone rings 
Samsung times it says potential spam and sometimes it does not. I generally 
don’t answer a phone number that I don’t recognize. I was just thinking if they 
wanted to hear from me they would leave a message. But I believe I might be 
able to get something for marking the unwanted calls through the Verizon app. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
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> Maybe Verizon is better than some at stopping those calls, I don't get many 
> of them any more. Or, maybe it is that I simply don't answer the call if I 
> don't recognize the number or it says the contact name, unless I am expecting 
> a call whose number I may not recognize.   I figured that the telemarketing 
> systems would catch onto the fact that I never answered their calls and would 
> delete my number after a while. If it is a legitimate call, let them leave a 
> voice mail and I will call back.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt  
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Apr 11, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Hi Larry,
> This might not be what you want to hear, but I am also a T-Mobile user, and 
> never found Scam Shield all that great. So what I do is the nuclear approach, 
> which means I have set the setting in my iPhone so that the only calls that 
> ring through are those in my contacts. I get notifications if there’s a 
> voicemail, And the bad side of this of course is that if you’re getting a 
> call from somebody that’s not in your contacts, you’re going to have to call 
> them back. So that’s the downside. The upside is I don’t get spam calls on my 
> phone ever. It’s worth it to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 11, 2024, at 5:58 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
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>> Hello list members. I was wondering if anyone is using an app to monitor 
>> and screen calls on their mobile phone. I am a t-mobile user. Scam shield 
>> does not do a very good job at least for me. I have used both the free and 
>> premium version. I was using robokiller until this month. It did an ok job, 
>> but their subscription service went from $24.99 to $74.99. I don’t mind the 
>> subscription increase so much. It didn’t always work as advertised. So, 
>> before I decided to renew or not, I thought I would ask what app others on 
>> this list might be using. I have also tried TrueCaller but Just couldn’t get 
>> id to work properly. Thanks
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Michael Irons]

I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been free. I 
use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my packages that 
I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope that more people 
would get into using it. I have use the part about looking at photos a little 
bit, I find that part of it very useful. 

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> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion 
> is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and 
> so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this 
> morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you 
> can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the 
> Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for 
> recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library 
> and as you open a picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on 
> More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app 
> although I find you may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go 
> back in before the picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, 
> very nice and I definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding 
> items/objects and also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you 
> to put down something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route 
> and follow.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
> about the update.
> 
> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, 
> so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new 
> objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • 
> Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI 
> questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those 
> shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you 
> may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image 
> descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even 
> more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to 
> identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in 
> which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available 
> in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, 
> you can find out which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple 
> pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, 
> various bug fixes under the hood.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Michael Irons]

Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a plug penny or a plug nickel. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to switch to a subscription model then that is entirely
 their decision. 
 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hey guys,


 


If you search for Voice Dream Reader on the App Store, open the page for the app, and scroll down, there is an option to "report a problem". Please consider reporting what the developer is doing to Apple. I am not sure if it violates any
 developer guidelines, but it sure seems like it would: selling lifetime licenses with agreed upon terms and then disabling them. The nature of how the update was released also didn't give users any warning or opt-out, as the new deadline wasn't mentioned in
 the release notes. I think Apple uses these for internal purposes, and if enough people file reports then they may act upon it.


 


I would also recommend leaving a review of the app and mentioning the upcoming disabling of previously purchased licenses, and how the update was handled.


 


I absolutely do not have a problem with developers going the subscription route, charging for new features and updates, or raising prices. It's a tough world out there. But I do have serious concerns about pushing out an update that disables
 previously purchased licenses from continuing to work at all and not mentioning that this would happen in the release notes. I would imagine this will impact many schools and other educational institutions as well who will rely on having access to this app
 at least for the remainder of the school year.


Let's hope we can share with the developer and Apple some constructive feedback.


 


Grant Hardy

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Re: iOS 17.4 and Voice Messages Help Please.

[Michael Irons]

Hello everybody the reason I am not willing to update is because this very thing that was just talked about and problems with losing voicemail messages. I have saved voicemail messages that I need and I’m not willing to lose them because of an update.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 22, 2024, at 2:02 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hello Everyone, 
 
I finally took the plunge and updated my XR phone to iOS 17.4, as the update was getting just a little    to pesty to deal with.  
Now, since I did this just yesterday, all my voice mail messages are gone! 

When I open the voice mail messages, I only get an option of deleted voice mail messages, and I went in to that, but there are no deleted voice mail messages. 

I was saving some of those messages, as I need them.  
Any suggestions   how to get those messages back?  
This happened to me before, and I had to reset my entire phone in order to get those messages back the last time I updated. 

 
Thank you in advance for any help.  
 
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Re: Question about Gmail?

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, thank you for all of your responses. I just have two things 
that I want to say and I hope it’ll be OK with everybody. My first thing if 
it’s not broke, don’t fix it. The second thing is Nadine mail works for me and 
I will just continue using it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2024, at 11:55 AM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Native works for me. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 9:45 PM
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> That's what I do and it works just fine.
> 
> Andy
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Hello everybody I am running latest version of iOS 16 in the SE 202 second 
> edition. I was just wondering is the native mail app the best way to manage 
> and use Gmail. I’m using the native mail app right now and everything seems 
> to be OK. Just wondering if I might be better off if I got the actual Gmail 
> app? it seems like everything seems to work out OK at this point. Just 
> wondering what y’all might think. 
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Re: Question about Gmail?

[Michael Irons]

Hey Peggy, this is Mike from Oklahoma. Disregard my email about the blank message. It just came in a place that I didn’t expect it to be.What you might consider doing is deleting your Gmail account and reiterating it. That might solve your problem the other thing is to turn off your iPhone and turn it back on. Another thing you can do is reset your iPhone, by either if it’s the iPhone SE, it won’t do volume up volume down and hold down the power button until your phone doesn’t do anything. I don’t know about the iPhone without the home button. I know there is a way to reset it.Take care,Michael. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 21, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Peggy Kane  wrote:Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️On Mar 21, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:It really i personal preference. I like the native mail app for all my emails. BTW, did you mean the latest iOS 17? 17.4.1 came out today with security fixes and bug repairs. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 21, 2024, at 5:56 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:Hello everybody I am running latest version of iOS 16 in the SE 202 second edition. I was just wondering is the native mail app the best way to manage and use Gmail. I’m using the native mail app right now and everything seems to be OK. Just wondering if I might be better off if I got the actual Gmail app? it seems like everything seems to work out OK at this point. Just wondering what y’all might think. Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F2BB615C-E642-45CE-BAF1-4B1A17CA7EC7%40gmail.com.



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Question about Gmail?

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Hello everybody I am running latest version of iOS 16 in the SE 202 second 
edition. I was just wondering is the native mail app the best way to manage and 
use Gmail. I’m using the native mail app right now and everything seems to be 
OK. Just wondering if I might be better off if I got the actual Gmail app? it 
seems like everything seems to work out OK at this point. Just wondering what 
y’all might think. 

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Resetting iPhone SE second generation

[Michael Irons]

I am currently running the iPhone SE second generation. I am running the 
highest version of iOS 16. Just wondering how you reset the iPhone second 
generation SE? Are used to use it hit the volume up volume down and hold down 
the home button. Doing this on the iPhone SE with a highest version of iOS 16 
didn’t seem to reset yet. Just wondering if that has changed and if so, how do 
you do it? 

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Re: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[Michael Irons]

Hello Mark and everybody, this is Mike from Oklahoma. Just read your email mark 
on the weather in Amazon and dating and just want to say I am along with you 
looking for an accessible weather app with voiceover. Right now I am using the 
native weather app, and the weather channel app. They both tell me enough to 
get me by for right now, but, I would like a more accessible weather app. So 
Mark and everybody I hope this helps. I am along with you looking for an 
accessible Weather app that works well with voiceover. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2024, at 3:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing.
> 
> I am delighted to report that last week's rain storms did not cause any
> further damage to my property so that is a good thing.
> 
> Given the weather patterns here in the golden state, I have come to realize
> that the native Apple weather app is not the most accurate.  So, based on
> the recommendation of several contractors who will be helping me get my
> property back in order, I started using the NOA website for my local
> precipitation predictions.
> 
> NOA stands for:  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
> 
> You can get your local forecast, online, by entering your Zip Code at
> http://www.weather.gov.
> 
> In the US, virtually every app and news outlet uses NOA for their weather
> forecasts.
> 
> Two things to note, here:
> 1.
> If one is willing to drill down a bit, one can find the same NOA info from
> within the native Apple weather app but, unless one understands how the data
> is formatted, I do not think the info is easily understandable.
> 2.
> While the Weather Channel app for iOS reflects the most accurate NOA data,
> astonishing  as it is for me to believe, future casts are, in effect,
> inaccessible via VoiceOver.  I mean, you can hear the data but unless you
> can see the display, you would be hard-pressed to have VO locate it.  I
> would think that, after all these years, the Weather Channel app would be
> the best app for iOS; and yet, it is not.  If any of you have any
> recommendations for free weather apps I could try, let me know.
> 
> Okay, moving on:
> 
> A while back, people were asking about online dating apps.  Using a couple
> of these apps, I have gone on more than a few dates, with different women,
> recently; while not easy, these dating sites can work in meeting someone.
> It just takes patience and perseverance; so to those of you seeking someone
> special, hang in there and do not give up.
> 
> Okay, onto Amazon / Audible news:
> So, 3 years ago, I purchased a Whisper Sync title in both Kindle and Audible
> format, at the same time, from Amazon.
> 
> Long story short, I could not download the Kindle audible companion of the
> book last week.  Now the Audible audio format of the title would play just
> fine.
> 
> It took almost an hour to reach someone at Kindle support who said she would
> refund my money for the Audible version of the title if I could find the
> Audible purchase order number.  She could see the Kindle order purchase
> number but she could not see the order number confirming that I had
> purchased the Audible version.
> 
> Even with her help and patience, we could not locate the order number
> confirming my Audible purchase in my Amazon Library.  Just before giving up,
> I realized that I keep every confirmation email I receive from Amazon in an
> email folder.
> 
> It took about 15 more minutes but I was able to locate the number and when I
> gave it to her, she was able to see that I had, in fact, purchased the
> Audible version.
> 
> So, she refunded my money.  At the time I purchased the title, the cost was
> $7.99.  However, the cost of that same title, today is $25.99.  So, she
> refunded the $25.99 as that is the replacement cost of the title.  I waited
> a few days, just to make certain that I received the refund then I purchased
> the title, again.
> 
> My point?  Always keep every email confirmation you receive from Amazon
> because you never know when you may need it.
> 
> Okay, I think that about covers it, for now.
> 
> I hope this finds you well and I look forward to your replies.
> 
> Mark
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Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[Michael Irons]

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: App to see power light?

[Michael Irons]

Hello aunt Kimberly, this is Mike from Oklahoma again. One thing you could do 
is check the status line on your phone. If the Internet is gone, it will 
probably tell you something like LTE or whatever the carrier you were with. If 
you have Alexa, you could check it and it will tell you for sure if the 
Internet is gone. Hope this helps.
Take care,
Michael. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> I'm so sorry, Kim. You've gotten some good suggestions. 
> One thing I do is tto look at my phone and computer, if both are out, it's 
> wifi. Same for Alexa, if all my stuff stops working at the same time, then I 
> know it's the internet, not the device. 
> You can also just assume the light is showing "bad" and tell the people on 
> the phone if you call them that it's red or whatever color, or they think 
> they care about that day. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2023 12:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: App to see power light?
> 
> Hi Kimberly, this is Mike from Oklahoma. I would like to offer you my 
> condolences for your loss. I know that Hass to be hard for you. I am willing 
> to talk to you off the list if you would feel comfortable with that feel free 
> to send me an email off list if you feel comfortable talking to me. Again, 
> sorry for your loss. I’d like to offer my condolences to you. Everybody that 
> has made suggestions is probably right probably be my eyes would be the best 
> option for you because it offers some things you can do to get help with 
> knowing if power and lights are on and what color they are.
> Take care,
> Michael. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2023, at 8:20 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> My husband recently died so I no longer have sighted help.  Sometimes my 
>> internet goes down or I think it has.  I’m looking for an app that will 
>> either tell me if the power light is on and/or what color it is.
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Re: App to see power light?

[Michael Irons]

Hi Kimberly, this is Mike from Oklahoma. I would like to offer you my 
condolences for your loss. I know that Hass to be hard for you. I am willing to 
talk to you off the list if you would feel comfortable with that feel free to 
send me an email off list if you feel comfortable talking to me. Again, sorry 
for your loss. I’d like to offer my condolences to you. Everybody that has made 
suggestions is probably right probably be my eyes would be the best option for 
you because it offers some things you can do to get help with knowing if power 
and lights are on and what color they are.
Take care,
Michael. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hello,
> 
> My husband recently died so I no longer have sighted help.  Sometimes my 
> internet goes down or I think it has.  I’m looking for an app that will 
> either tell me if the power light is on and/or what color it is.
> 
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> As always,
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> Thanks,
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> Kim
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Re: Preserving batteries

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Are usually leave my iPhone plugged in until the battery is charged between 90 and 100%. I unplug my phone and try to plug it back in and the battery is between 40 and 20%. I am not perfect at this. I have let the battery run down more than I wanted. From all the people I have talked to they have told me that it was not good to leave that iPhone plugged in all the time. I do have a phone that I use as a back up phone. I’ll leave that one plugged in all the time.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:Yes it isn’t good to leave it plugged in all the time.  Just like it isn’t good to only charge to 70 or 80 percent. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody ianuzziSent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 9:05 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Preserving batteries Thank you! He would think keeping it plugged in all the time would be a good thing but I guess it's not. Thanks for the helpJODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Nov 28, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:I'd suggest to run down your backup phone as much as you can.  I'vehad my phone run down to 4 or 3% before recharging it.  I use my phonefor book reading and watching movies all the time and it is reallycool.On 11/28/23, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:I have a back up phone that I would like to use for reading books etc. WhenI had a back up phone in the past I kept it plugged in all the time andapparently this killed the battery. How can I use this backup phone in sucha way that I do not destroy the battery?JODY To Boldly Go    thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  ErikWeihenmayer --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhonelist. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or ifyou feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners ormoderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send anemail to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/8647203B-EF79-4A25-93EE-1A302F50E5FF%40gmail.com. -- Joshua HendricksonJoshua Hendrickson-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9uZuGpjQFdM9dzZNyEOHwptmxWHkPDYOj-OfZTU1OM4%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/4CE71EB1-C7FD-4304-8A00-F7DAFF6D0467%40gmail.com.



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Re: Using iPhone with Wi-Fi calling?

[Michael Irons]

I have an iPhone six. I have Wi-Fi calling turned on on yet and my current iPhone. I can receive calls on the iPhone 6 and actually answer calls but I can’t make calls from that iPhone. The iPhone 6 hacks as an extension of my current iPhone.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 26, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






It only works if your carrior has that 
feature.

  - Original Message - 
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  calling?
  
  Hi guys,
  So, here is the question.  I have an older 
  iPhone which is a 6-S and since it is not my current phone, there is no cim 
  card so, of course no making phone calls with it.  It still rings and is 
  aware that calls are coming in.  If I turn on Wi-Fi calling, can I still 
  make and receive calls?  I have to admit that I have not tried yet and 
  thought that someone might have a quick answer for me.  Thanks 
  much.
   
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Question about Facebook and Instagram?

[Michael Irons]

Hello, hope somebody can help me with this. A friend of mine wanted me to talk 
to people on Facebook and, Instagram. Just wondering if either or both of those 
two platforms are accessible with voiceover. How difficult are they to set up? 
I hope somebody can help me.

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Re: Delayed sending?

[Michael Irons]

Hello Joseph and everybody just thought I would tell you that I just sent an 
email and tried double tapping and holding on the sound button and the the 
light sending came up. I was able to choose a time which I wanted to send my 
message. Just wanted to let you know that what are you talking about actually 
worked.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2023, at 7:23 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Hello, to delay, send a message, double tap, and hold on the send button. 
> Then there will be a schedule that pops up. When the schedule pops up, you 
> can choose either 9 AM, or. Send later, then you can use the picker to 
> choose. I selected time and day. I hope this makes sense.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody hi just decided it was time to upgrade to the latest version 
>> of iOS 16.
>> How do you get to the part on the mail app or you can have it send a message 
>> later? I had heard people talk about this and now I am wondering how you 
>> would actually do it. Hope somebody can help me with this.
>> 
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Delayed sending?

[Michael Irons]

Hello everybody hi just decided it was time to upgrade to the latest version of 
iOS 16.
How do you get to the part on the mail app or you can have it send a message 
later? I had heard people talk about this and now I am wondering how you would 
actually do it. Hope somebody can help me with this.

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Re: wiping an older iphone

[Michael Irons]

I have an old iPhone 7 sitting on my table here. I just experimented with it. 
It has been restore to factory default settings. I activated the iPhone 7 and 
press the home button three times and it turn voiceover on. And it hand the 
hello and then set up in different languages. So I’m just saying the iPhones 
with the home button you can turn on voiceover by pressing it quickly three 
times and I guess the newer iPhones it would be the side button. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 11:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard, I don't want to be contrary, but Julian is correct, I have had  
> iPhones starting with the iPhone 4 in 2010 and a factory reset would always 
> restore the out of the box experience where you can start Voiceover with a 
> triple press of the home button, or in later models which don't have a home 
> button, with a triple press of the side button. Every iPhone I have purchased 
> worked this way and every time I reset an iPhone with erase all setting and 
> content it also worked this way which would make sense because this process 
> restores it to the factory defaults and out of box experience which includes 
> being able to start Voiceover with a triple press of the home or side button. 
> The same applies to iPads, the Apple Watch and the Apple TV, a factory reset 
> always restores the ability to start Voiceover with a triple press of the 
> appropriate button.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: wiping an older iphone
>  
> Thanks Joseph.
> I never had an iPhone 7.  The ones I did have, when they were erased, the 
> shortcut was gone as well.
> Of course, that was in earlier iOS versions and I had set the shortcut up 
> myself when it was not there from Apple.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 2:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: wiping an older iphone
>  
> Actually, Richard, you don't lose the shortcut. For voiceover. You only lose 
> the shortcut if a carrier sets it up. Once the phone is reset, you can call 
> the VoiceOver on by holding and pressing the home button for three times.
>  
> 
> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> If you use the Settings, General, Reset, erase all data, you will likely lose 
> the accessibility shortcut and will either have to use a computer with the 
> phone connected via the cable with iTunes to enable it, or get sighted help 
> to go through the setup and enable the shortcut again.
>  
> 
>  
>  
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> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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>  
> 
> On Aug 3, 2023, at 12:31 PM, 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Voiceover is part of the operating system so you’re not going to lose it. 
> Most likely when the iPhone turns on you initially won’t have voiceover, 
> however, you can press the home button three times and voiceover will turn on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all.  I have an iphone 7 That I want to wipe, but I don’t want to lose 
> voice-over.  How do I go about that?
> Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
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Re: Question about an inherited iPhone.

[Michael Irons]

You could say I got lucky. The password and stuff I needed was just right there 
on the case. I also inherited two other devices from my deceased sister. I was 
not so lucky. The computer that I inherited was one that a friend of mine was 
able to wipe clean and I could put my stuff on it. The iPad that I inherited I 
had to take to an Apple store and locally they were able to erase it and help 
me sign into my Apple ID stuff with yet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 3:34 PM, 'Joseph Hudson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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> Oh wow, you've got very lucky.
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> Just thought I would tell you all that when I had somebody help me look on 
>> the back of the iPhone case it turned out the password for her Apple ID was 
>> there and I just went into settings found reset the iPhone and did that and 
>> put in the password that I found and I was able to remove her phone from the 
>> Apple ID and take it to a local store near where I live and sell it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless you have access to her email as has already been stated,
>>> officially, you can't. Apple will sometimes remove a device from an
>>> iCloud account if you can present them with a death certificate
>>> though.
>>> 
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>>>> Apple ID.
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Re: Question about an inherited iPhone.

[Michael Irons]

Just thought I would tell you all that when I had somebody help me look on the 
back of the iPhone case it turned out the password for her Apple ID was there 
and I just went into settings found reset the iPhone and did that and put in 
the password that I found and I was able to remove her phone from the Apple ID 
and take it to a local store near where I live and sell it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
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> Unless you have access to her email as has already been stated,
> officially, you can't. Apple will sometimes remove a device from an
> iCloud account if you can present them with a death certificate
> though.
> 
>> On 7/21/23, 'Joseph Hudson' via VIPhone  wrote:
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>> Apple ID.
>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Michael Irons  wrote:
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Question about an inherited iPhone.

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I inherited an iPhone 11 from my sister who passed away in 2020. I did not get 
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Re: IOS 17 public beta question

[Michael Irons]

I now have an iPad Pro that I inherited from my deceased sister. Could that be 
an OK device to run the betas of these iOS versions on?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> You absolutely would need to have a backup of your phone if you want to go 
> back to the regular iOS after using the beta.  Unless things have changed 
> since I last used a beta, you basically have to wipe your phone and reinstall 
> the backup so you would lose any changes you made during the beta, like 
> adding contacts, etc.
> Apple does not recommend putting the beta on your primary device.  I used to 
> have an iPod Touch that I ran the betas on, but when that stopped being able 
> to be updated, I stopped using betas since I too have only one iPhone.
> 
> Perhaps they have the complete steps of how to go back from the betas on 
> their beta web site?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
> Orovcíková
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS 17 public beta question
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> Hello list,
> I have been thinking about installing IOS 17 Public beta, but the thing is I 
> have only one Iphone device which I am using.
> The reason I want to instal Public Beta is that I want to know if a 
> particular Voiceover bug. has been fixed and if not, I would like to report 
> it while the Beta version is available.
> I am from Slovakia and Since IOS 16 came out last september, Voiceover reads 
> some Slovak words with English accent and English pronunciation which sounds 
> really strange and it is very difficult to read text.
> I've been reporting the bug to Apple Accessibility and sent them screen 
> recordings, but they haven't fixed  it by now.
> There are Iphone users in Slovakia, but many can't speak English the way so 
> they are able to report the bug.
> I don't know how many people have reported the bug and if it's just me, 
> that's why Apple accessibility doesn't listen to me and doesn't care.
> I should mention that before IOS 16 everything was fine with Voiceover. 
> There were a few mispronounced words, but it was not as bad as it is in IOS 
> 16.
> Please, is it easy to instal IOS 17 Public Beta?
> Would you please give me step--by-step instructions how to instal it?
> And if it wouldn't work for me, is it possible to downgrade back to the 
> latest stable version?
> Thank you.
> Maria from Slovakia
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Short cuts question

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I have a question about Shortcuts I keep getting suggestions of 
things to put in Shortcuts.
How do you actually put the suggestions in shortcuts like for example, 
recognizing text in front of the camera. I’ve been getting suggestions for 
Shortcuts and have not been able to actually get them into my Shortcuts I would 
appreciate some help please? Please.

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Re: Question about translator on phone.

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I thought I was gonna do something like that. Thank you for getting back to me 
and confirming what I was thinking all along.

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> On May 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> YOU WOULD HAVE TO COPY THE TEXT WITH A GESTURE ON YOUR KEYBOARD, DEPENDING 
> ON WHAT YOU'RE USING TO READ THIS ON YOUR PHONE. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PASTE 
> IT INTO THE TRANSLATOR APP
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 7:38 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
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>> Hi everyone, the other day I got an email from a relative who happens to be 
>> Chinese. The first part of the email was in English saying everything was 
>> fine and then after the first part they started hearing it speak in Chinese. 
>> How do you access the translation part of the phone from within the native 
>> email app? I would sure like to know what the rest of the email saying I can 
>> say it was some survey it was probably written in Chinese. I hope you can 
>> help. 
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Michael Irons]

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
> fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
> it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a 
> thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press 
> Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is 
> the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine 
> until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works 
> fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?
> 
> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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>> Yep, that’s it.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
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>>> Hello.
>>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
>>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
>>> and I'm not aware?
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Folks
 
 For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
 accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
 
 The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
 as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
 
 This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
 DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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Question about translator on phone.

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Hi everyone, the other day I got an email from a relative who happens to be 
Chinese. The first part of the email was in English saying everything was fine 
and then after the first part they started hearing it speak in Chinese. How do 
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I would sure like to know what the rest of the email saying I can say it was 
some survey it was probably written in Chinese. I hope you can help. 

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Re: Reacquainting myself with Apple keyboard

[Michael Irons]

You could press control an option in the K and that will get you into voiceover 
help with a keyboard what’s your in the help or you can press any key on the 
keyboard and it should tell you what it does.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Dan Yates  wrote:
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> Hi everyone, I have pulled out my Apple keyboard and paired it with my 
> iPhone 12 mini with no problem. Now I need to reacquaint myself with all the 
> keys, etc. etc. what’s the best way to do this? Is there a keyboard command 
> anybody can remind me of two set my keyboard to training mode, so I can learn 
> where the keys are.
> Thanks for any help
> Dan
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Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[Michael Irons]

I was never on Twitter to begin with. I am not a bird and I don’t tweet. I 
won’t get on Twitter at any time in the future because it is probably not 
accessible anymore.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 10:53 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you haven’t already done it, get the hell off of Twitter! They fired their 
> accessibility team. Now they have officially said no more third-party 
> clients. So if you ever thought Twitter was worth anything, now it’s not. 
> It’s all about Elon and his stupidity. Get out!
> Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps
> AppleInsider  /  n...@appleinsider.com (Amber Neely)
> 
> 
> Twitter has updated its developer agreement to explicitly prohibit 
> third-party app makers from creating their own clients using the company's 
> API.
> 
> On Thursday, Twitter updated its developer's agreement with a clause 
> prohibiting app developers from making their own Twitter clients.
> 
> The change comes a few days after developers began reporting their apps no 
> longer worked.
> 
> The "restrictions" section of Twitter's development agreement has been 
> expanded to help "enforce its long-standing API rules," according to the 
> company's development Twitter account. It noted that, as a result, some apps 
> might not work.
> 
> Twitter is enforcing its long-standing API rules. That may result in some 
> apps not working.
> 
> — Twitter Dev (@TwitterDev) January 17, 2023
> However, as Engadget points out, it does not align with the company's 
> history. Third-party apps have been central to Twitter use for most of the 
> social media platform's history.
> 
> Twitterific, for example, has been a crucial part of Twitter's history since 
> the beginning. Twitterific had a native iOS app before Twitter did and is 
> credited with coining the word "tweet."
> 
> As a result of the API restriction, developers have begun pulling their apps 
> out of the App Store.
> 
> Today marks the end of an era. Sadly, we've been forced to pull Twitterrific 
> from both the iOS and Mac App Stores.
> 
> Twitter's unexplained revocation of our API access has left the app with no 
> path forward. Please read our blog for more information 
> https://t.co/UZSdmqZtMD
> 
> — Twitterrific (@Twitterrific) January 19, 2023
> Restricting API access is another incident in a string of current 
> controversies purportedly caused by Elon Musk acquiring the company in 
> October 2022. This particular move is probably focused on preserving 
> advertising revenue for the company, as third-party clients often filtered 
> out sponsored posts and similar media.
> 
> In December, Twitter began blocking user links to other social platforms. 
> That was rolled back after user protest, and it's not clear when or if that 
> will begin again.
> 
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/01/19/twitter-officially-kills-off-all-third-party-client-apps?utm_medium=rss
> 
> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, when it comes to the iPhone, I am all thumbs, and, all fingers. 
To really get things right I need a good Bluetooth QWERTY keyboard. The only 
kind of screen input I can do is the keypad on the phone in dialing numbers. 
When it comes to dictation it it gets it all wrong when it really matters. 
Dictation continuously gets it all wrong no matter how hard I’ve tried or how 
hard I have practice! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Joshua.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 6:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Tom.  I highly recommend that you get the Hable One braille bluetooth 
> keyboard.  The Hable when you type on the keyboard is based off of braille 
> screen input.  However, you can type on actual buttons, and not the phone 
> keyboard itself.  Good luck.
> 
>> On 1/18/23, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> Any tips on using the Braile screen input?  I tried it before, but it 
>> seems I always have the screen turned the wrong way.  No matter what I 
>> do, it seems like the Braille screen input doesn’t work for me.
>> 
 On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use braille screen input. I can type on the regular keyboard, but I 
>>> am very slow. So, if it is more than a very few words, it is braille 
>>> screen input. Ocasionally, I use dictation if I am in a quiet 
>>> environment. I almost  never use Siri
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my 
>>> iPhone.  It is great.
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
 I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It 
 allows me to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it 
 out of my pocket.
 You can ask questions and get more info at www.iamhable.com or by 
 subscribing to the following email list.
 hablecommunity+subscr...@groups.io
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of M.
 Taylor
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
 
 Hello All,
 
 A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in 
 iOS, when sending text messages.
 
 It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even 
 though I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter 
 text on iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
 
 How do I enter text in iOS?
 
 First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
 
 Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
 display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
 phone in one hand, fingers-free.
 
 When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
 wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
 phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
 meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
 is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits 
 on my left hand, free.
 
 The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so 
 that the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is 
 tilted, off-axis, so to speak.
 
 I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on 
 the left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my 
 right hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right 
 side of the onscreen keyboard.
 
 I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
 except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
 
 Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
 
 How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
 
 When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
 
 Mark
 
 
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Re: Listen up ladies (and maybe some guys)

[Michael Irons]

Earrings of any kind would hurt my ears ending and usually painful.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well here is your next fashion statement although it sounds like the weight 
> might be such that if you wear these all the time your ears may start to look 
> more and more like those of Spock or Mr. Tuvok!
>  
> These are real earrings and also real earbuds - Nova’s audio earrings are 
> made with real pearls, and have built-in speakers that transmit audio up and 
> into your ear
>  
> I am still waiting for ocular prosthetics which have speakers facing my brain 
> and cameras facing out, where are Elon Musk's ideas when we need them. Maybe 
> when he's done ruining Twitter he'll listen.
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[Michael Irons]

I went wireless in 2013. The wire Apple earbuds always hurt my ears every time 
I wear them. They are completely and totally uncomfortable for me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to
> its warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port
> went bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my
> replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to
> retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in
> portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall
> out.  
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto
> the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for
> hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
> 
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods
> in favor of Apple Air Pods.
> 
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use
> than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair,
> more than anything else.
> 
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having
> all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
> 
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I
> always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector,
> readily available.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Hi Becky

[Michael Irons]

Hi Becky, this is Mike from Oklahoma. I also have an iPhone SE 20. So far 
everything seems to be working OK. I would recommend that you either call Apple 
Accessibility or if it is possible you may want to go to the Apple store and 
see if they will help you with your phone. Sounds like something might have 
gone defective in your phone.
I hope you were able to get the help you need help things will be fixed for you 
soon
Take care,
Michael 

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Re: Mark on Face ID via iPhone 14 with iOS 16.2: Not bad; not bad at all

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I got the iPhone SE 20 because I was not willing to mess around 
with Face ID and possibly having to wear a mask. I didn’t think I would be able 
to set up Face ID where it would work. I was born blind from birth and 
literally have not seen a thing in my life. I have lots of difficulty 
understanding what things really look like. I would say if no one leave me they 
might as well come and beat me up. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2022, at 12:32 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I think it is fair to say that no one was a bigger critic of Face ID than I.
> 
> However, I must admit that using Face ID on iPhone 14 has been much, much
> better than my experience than on iPhone 11. 
> 
> I cannot articulate how or why this is so but there is definitely a
> difference in how the systems feels between the two devices.
> 
> The funny thing is, two nights ago, when I went back to my beloved 8 Plus
> for a few minutes to check on an app, I found myself wanting to use Face ID
> gestures more than my beloved Touch ID.  It took me more than a few minutes
> to figure out why some of the gestures were not working on my beloved 8
> Plus. When I realized that Touch ID was the method of choice on the old
> phone I couldn't stop laughing at how readily the brain can adapt to new
> techniques.
> 
> To those using Touch ID, I say keep doing so for as long as you can.
> However I will add that on iPhone 14, at least, Face ID is not bad, not bad
> at all.  (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Michael Irons]

I would refuse to have an eSIM unless I was given a specific set of 
instructions as to how to transfer the Sim between one found in another. I have 
my old iPhone six which I would want to go to if my present iPhone gives me 
problems. I would not want to be without that physical Sim card for right now. 
Maybe for all times going forward.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the 
>> first time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took 
>> the sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
>> 
 On 10/19/22, 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Michael Irons]

I believe the SE models will have a home button as long as there’s a large 
number of people making it down that they really have to be able to go home. Rip

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the 
>> first time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took 
>> the sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
>> 
 On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>>> country, so if you 

Re: attention Mark test message

[Michael Irons]

Hi Linda, this is Mike from Oklahoma. Your messages are coming through very 
clear.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2022, at 2:31 PM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone 
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> Mark has asked me to send a message to the list to see if my messages are 
> getting through
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Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Michael Irons]

I like the non-smart phones where you could replace the battery yourself. 
Unfortunately a lot of things on the non-smart phones were not accessible to 
me. That is why I switched over to the iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow, That's crazy. I definitely won't be trying to replace it myself.  Why 
> does it have to be so complicated.  It makes me a bit nostalgic for my 
> non-smart phones where you could just pop open the back and easily replace 
> the battery.  
> Thank you all so much for the info.  
> Hopefully they will still have iphone 8 batteries when I'm ready to replace 
> mine.  The battery health says its running at 80 percent which still gives me 
> several hours of use before it runs down.  I hope to get a bit more milage 
> out of my phone before upgrading, because these devices are crazy expensive 
> lol.  
> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>> Well, there is a self replacement program for iPhone batteries, but if my 
>> memory serves me correctly, you get about 100 pounds (weight not UK 
>> Currency) of tools that are required to do it as a loan.
>> There was a lot of press about this about 6 months ago.
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Barbara Stahl  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!  
>>> So in the battery health thread, some people discussed getting a new iphone 
>>> battery. So I was wondering, how do you change an iphone's battery? Do you 
>>> have to send it away to apple, or can i somehow buy a replacement battery 
>>> and replace it myself?  
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Re: Choosing betweeen Apple Watch 7 and SE 2

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, I basically do take my phone pretty much everywhere I go. I do 
end up going outside occasionally without my phone. There is a time when I go 
in row with the rowing team but I am out on the water in my phone is not 
listening because I don’t want my phone to go in the water and get messed up. 
My phone might be with me but it’s either locked up in someone’s car or I have 
it inside the place where I go rowing. My guess is the watch probably wouldn’t 
work if I wore it out on the water. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Fall detection was introduced with Apple Watch Series 4. As with everything 
> technology, I would recommend to purchased the latest that you can afford. 
> This is especially true with Apple since devices lose OS support  every four 
> years it seems.
> 
> Feliciano
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> 
>> On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> If you're someone who has your iPhone on you wherever you go, or you're 
>> always in Bluetooth range of your iPhone, you probably don't need the cell 
>> feature of an Apple Watch. Even if you have the cell feature on your watch, 
>> as long as your iPhone is in range, the watch defaults to using your phone 
>> to do everything. Just know that you might be amazed where you'll be at 
>> home, such as going outside without your phone, and the watch won't be in 
>> range of the phone. The Watch will still give the time, but anything 
>> internet related won't work, and that's a lot of things.
>> 
>> Kevin and Jilly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 2:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Choosing betweeen Apple Watch 7 and SE 2
>> 
>> I am not sure when the fall detection came in, bu the Series 6 might be the 
>> first one with the blood oxygen measurement.
>> Frankly, the fall detection is nothing to write home about.
>> It has gone off when I was tossing cloths in the dryer, but when I sat down 
>> on an 18 inch high stool and got off centered and fell hard enough to crack 
>> four ribs, it did nothing.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Irons
>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 11:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Choosing betweeen Apple Watch 7 and SE 2
>> 
>> Hello everyone I am considering getting an Apple Watch. I want the one that 
>> has the fall detection in the blood oxygen sensors in it. I am just 
>> wondering for the fall detection part to work do I actually need to get the 
>> cellular watch I will the GPS version of it work out OK.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:00 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve finally decided that an Apple watch would be a good thing for me (with 
>>> celluar service)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far I haven’t had any issues buying refurbished Apple products so I’ll 
>>> do that with the watch as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve narrowed it down to a series 7 or SE2.  We’re moving to Mexico and it 
>>> looks like there are a couple cell companies there who support the apple 
>>> Watch cellular.  I’m trying to think of all the ins and outs I can but this 
>>> list is good at coming up with things I haven’t thought of.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, I have a choice between a 45 mm and 41 mm face.  My fingers are an 
>>> average size woman’s hand.  I think I’d prefer the smaller size, would I 
>>> regret that?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As always,
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Choosing betweeen Apple Watch 7 and SE 2

[Michael Irons]

Just wondering if anyone on here might know which version of the Apple Watch is 
most accessible with voiceover?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 45 MM is 1.77 inches.
> 41 MM is 1.61 inches.
> 
> If you have any kind of a braille watch, you may want to compare sizes to 
> figure out what would work best for you.
> 
> As for which watch, I don't have an opinion.  I have the series 6 from 2 
> years ago and it is excellent.  I did not opt for the cellular model because 
> I pretty much always have my phone handy.
> If I replace this watch, I will probably opt for the cellular model, but that 
> will only be if this watch dies completely.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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> -Original Message-
> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 10:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Choosing betweeen Apple Watch 7 and SE 2
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’ve finally decided that an Apple watch would be a good thing for me (with 
> celluar service)
> 
> 
> So far I haven’t had any issues buying refurbished Apple products so I’ll do 
> that with the watch as well.
> 
> 
> I’ve narrowed it down to a series 7 or SE2.  We’re moving to Mexico and it 
> looks like there are a couple cell companies there who support the apple 
> Watch cellular.  I’m trying to think of all the ins and outs I can but this 
> list is good at coming up with things I haven’t thought of.
> 
> 
> Also, I have a choice between a 45 mm and 41 mm face.  My fingers are an 
> average size woman’s hand.  I think I’d prefer the smaller size, would I 
> regret that?
> 
> 
> As always,
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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Re: Choosing betweeen Apple Watch 7 and SE 2

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I am considering getting an Apple Watch. I want the one that has 
the fall detection in the blood oxygen sensors in it. I am just wondering for 
the fall detection part to work do I actually need to get the cellular watch I 
will the GPS version of it work out OK.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:00 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’ve finally decided that an Apple watch would be a good thing for me (with 
> celluar service)
> 
> 
> So far I haven’t had any issues buying refurbished Apple products so I’ll do 
> that with the watch as well.
> 
> 
> I’ve narrowed it down to a series 7 or SE2.  We’re moving to Mexico and it 
> looks like there are a couple cell companies there who support the apple 
> Watch cellular.  I’m trying to think of all the ins and outs I can but this 
> list is good at coming up with things I haven’t thought of.
> 
> 
> Also, I have a choice between a 45 mm and 41 mm face.  My fingers are an 
> average size woman’s hand.  I think I’d prefer the smaller size, would I 
> regret that?
> 
> 
> As always,
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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Re: Moderator Note - Regarding accessible dating / hook-up apps

[Michael Irons]

Hi Carrie this is Mike. I am glad you posted on here I am basically in the same 
position is the guy who asked the question. I am also wondering what dating 
apps might be accessible. I think it is quite appropriate that the question was 
asked. I am sort of wondering the same thing. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just wanted to send a quick note regarding this current thread on 
> accessible dating / hook-up apps.
> 
> As long as the conversation does not simply go into a solicitation for dates 
> etc on this list and stays in the form of a discussion about which apps are 
> useable / accessible, then this conversation is absolutely fine for this 
> group.
> 
> I’m sorry if this offends some here but not only would I agree that the 
> original poster showed quite a bit of bravery and vulnerability in asking 
> this question here, but the fact is that dating and connecting via apps / 
> online is a reality in the world today, and folks should feel welcome to ask 
> about this sort of thing here. There is nothing at all wrong with meeting / 
> dating online etc. -And, especially as blind / VI people, it’s important for 
> us to be able to learn about as many of these resources available to us. 
> 
> if this sort of thing bothers some here, then please do feel free to delete 
> these postings at will.
> 
> No one will be banned for having appropriate conversation about resources 
> that they may need.
> 
> Hope this makes sense and please let me wish you all a wonderful day / 
> evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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Question about joining Wi-Fi

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, is there anyway to get somebody on my Wi-Fi without having to 
give them the password. I thought there was a way to get them on my Wi-Fi yes 
that person was in my contacts. If that is possible please tell me how it works.
Thank you,
Michael V

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Re: A suggestion to Apple

[Michael Irons]

Hi there I have found that if the phone is unlocked and you move the mute 
switch towards the back of the phone it actually says muted with voiceover if 
you move it towards the front it says I am muted. Also when the phone is locked 
if you move the switch to the mirror position the phone will vibrate. I have 
the iPhone SE 20. Also the switch would do the same thing with iPhone 6 if you 
switched it between muted and muted. 

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> On Jul 10, 2022, at 10:14 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi Maria,
> 
> I'm going to disagree here. If the mute setting was software based and 
> engaged by double tapping some button to turn it on, we might contact Apple 
> Accessibility to make its accidental engagement more apparent. However, since 
> mute is turned on by a physical switch whose setting can easily be verified 
> by touch, I don't think Apple Accessibility should be bothered with this.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
> Campbell
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A suggestion to Apple
> 
> I believe we should all contact Apple accessibility and suggest they put some 
> kind of way of letting us know our phone has been possibly accidentally 
> muted, just as they let us know airplane mode is on.
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Re: Forwarding message with picture.

[Michael Irons]

Hi Caroline one of the recipients that got my message with the picture it does 
have an android phone and they were able to get it. It might be a little tricky 
for those with android phones. They would have to know how to work with it.

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> On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. That is a better explanation than one I got, but I can't figure out 
> why the message didn't go, other than, the recipient that said she did not 
> get the picture has an Android phone. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 5:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Forwarding message with picture.
> 
> Hi Carolyn, I have forwarded a text message or two that had a picture in it. 
> What you would do is you find the text message with a picture in it that you 
> want to forward you go to the bottom of your screen and look for the option 
> that would say more in double tap on that and then once you get to more that 
> message that you found and it more on will have selected the message then you 
> look on the bottom of your screen again and there should be an option to 
> forward the message and you would want to double tap on that and when you get 
> to the two part of it ever you want to send it to  you double tap on that and 
> you would have a couple of choices. That’s choices are you can enter the 
> persons phone number or you can find the person in your contacts that you 
> want to forward the message to. Hope that answers your question. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
>On Jun 8, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
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>
> 
>
> 
>I am not sure, but what the picture is irrelevant, but I have a text that 
> I have tried to forward, can’t find share or forward. What do I do to forward 
> a message with a picture on it, please? 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Forwarding message with picture.

[Michael Irons]

Hi Carolyn, I have forwarded a text message or two that had a picture in it. 
What you would do is you find the text message with a picture in it that you 
want to forward you go to the bottom of your screen and look for the option 
that would say more in double tap on that and then once you get to more that 
message that you found and it more on will have selected the message then you 
look on the bottom of your screen again and there should be an option to 
forward the message and you would want to double tap on that and when you get 
to the two part of it ever you want to send it to  you double tap on that and 
you would have a couple of choices. That’s choices are you can enter the 
persons phone number or you can find the person in your contacts that you want 
to forward the message to. Hope that answers your question. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am not sure, but what the picture is irrelevant, but I have a text that I 
> have tried to forward, can’t find share or forward. What do I do to forward a 
> message with a picture on it, please?
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Re: bluetooth headphones

[Michael Irons]

When I got my SE 22nd edition I did not get a set of the Apple lightning 
earbuds. I did get an adapter that I can plug-in to the lightning port that 
will allow me to charge the phone and use the 3.5 your phones with it at the 
same time. This adapter is known as the Belkin rockstar. I got it from my local 
Verizon phone store when I bought accessories for the iPhone SE 20. 

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> On Jun 5, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Your iPhone still has a headphone jack, it is the Lightning port where you 
> also plug in the charging cable.
> I don’t know which iPhone you have and maybe the iPhone 13 does no longer 
> ship with the Apple Earpods with Lightning port, but you can get a set for I 
> think $19 from Apple and I highly recommend it as a backup.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 9:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: bluetooth headphones
>  
> As my new Iphone doesn’t have a port for headphones, I am using my Ibuds, 
> which is fine, but today the battery ran down in them. No problem, I thought, 
> I have some Bluetooth headphones. The problem is my Iphone isn’t seeing them. 
> I know they are charged as I can use them with my computer.
> Is there a way to force/encourage the Iphone to see Bluetooth devices?
> Even when I told my Google Home speaker to pair with my Iphone, it told me to 
> go to settings and then Bluetooth to pair, but my Google Home speaker wasn’t 
> listed.
> Alison
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Re: bluetooth headphones

[Michael Irons]

Hello Alison, you would want to make sure your Bluetooth headphones are 
charged. You would turn your Bluetooth headphones on go to settings and 
Bluetooth on your iPhone and see if your phone recognizes the Bluetooth 
headphones. If it does, you would want to go ahead and have your phone connect 
to your Bluetooth headphones.
If you have any further questions I would be willing to talk with you about 
this off list if needed.
I now have a new iPhone that does not have a headphone jack. I happen to have a 
couple of pair a Bluetooth headphones that I have paired up with yet.  By the 
way, you can get an adapter for these phones without headphone jack so that you 
can actually use regular headphones on your iPhone.
Take care,
Michael 

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> On Jun 5, 2022, at 11:15 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
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> 
> As my new Iphone doesn’t have a port for headphones, I am using my Ibuds, 
> which is fine, but today the battery ran down in them. No problem, I thought, 
> I have some Bluetooth headphones. The problem is my Iphone isn’t seeing them. 
> I know they are charged as I can use them with my computer.
> Is there a way to force/encourage the Iphone to see Bluetooth devices?
> Even when I told my Google Home speaker to pair with my Iphone, it told me to 
> go to settings and then Bluetooth to pair, but my Google Home speaker wasn’t 
> listed.
> Alison
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Re: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I originally got an iPod touch third generation. I had some 
difficulty adapting to the touch screen. I got a hold of a Bluetooth keyboards 
which solved most of my problems. I later upgraded 10 iPhone 4S. I did better 
with the iPhone. I ended up not using the iPod touch because it would not go 
past iOS 6 .1. It would not update anymore. I guess it was at the end of its 
life. I really like the iPhone SE 20. The only thing that concerns me is the 
area of the touchscreen does seem to be a little bit small. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> hi, everyone, I received my iPod five Wayback in 2012. That was my first 
> device with the touchscreen. I adapted very well to it. It certainly didn't 
> have much memory, but it was wonderful to have it. Now I have my iPhone 13 
> Pro Max and love it! Anyway, I hope all of you have a good evening. Take 
> care. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>>> On May 12, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> My iPod touch seventh generation was replaced a few months ago, so I’m good 
>> for a while. I am attached to my devices, so have all the way back to the 
>> fourth generation, plus an iPhone 5s. I understand, due to the supply issues 
>> and needing to concentrate more on the iPhones, but I do like the iPod 
>> touch, and sorry to see it go. It was good training wheels for feeling more 
>> confident when I got my first phone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On May 12, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> iPod touch will be available while supplies last
>>> 
>>> iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod 
>>> touch will be available while supplies last.
>>> 
>>> Since its introduction over 20 years ago, iPodhas captivated users all over 
>>> the world who love the ability to take their music with them on the go. 
>>> Today, the experience of taking one’s music library out into the world has 
>>> been integrated across Apple’s product line — from iPhone and Apple Watch 
>>> to iPad and Mac — along with access to more than 90 million songs and over 
>>> 30,000 playlists available via Apple Music.
>>> 
>>> “Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to 
>>> hundreds of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just 
>>> the music industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened 
>>> to, and shared,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of 
>>> Worldwide Marketing. “Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated 
>>> an incredible music experience across all of our products, from the iPhone 
>>> to the Apple Watch to HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And 
>>> Apple Music delivers industry-leading sound quality with support for 
>>> spatial audio — there’s no better way to enjoy, discover, and experience 
>>> music.”
>>> 
>>> Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, 
>>> including a wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest 
>>> iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or 
>>> storing an entire music library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the 
>>> perfect companion, allowing users to access over 90 million songs right 
>>> from their wrist, starting at just $279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at 
>>> just $329, comes with a more powerful chip, larger display and the latest 
>>> iPadOS features. And for the best way to enjoy music at home, HomePod mini 
>>> is just $99.
>>> 
>>> An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — 
>>> from iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.
>>> 
>>> Customers can purchase iPod touchthrough apple.com, Apple Store locations, 
>>> and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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Sheet grabber

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I’m using the iPhone SE 20. Using iOS 15.0. Just wondering what 
does she grab it was in the mail app. It is something that I have not seen 
before.

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Re: Can't use Seeing AI on iPhone 8.

[Michael Irons]

If the iPhone 8 can run the latest version of iOS, it would have screen 
recognition on it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> 
> The iPhone 8 does Not have screen recognition.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> He probably has screen recognition on.
>> 
>> That should be turned off under VoiceOver settings, Voiceover recognition.
>> It should also be turned off via the rotor if it is there.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Irons
>> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 11:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't use Seeing AI on iPhone 8.
>> 
>> A friend of mine has an iPhone eight in and has had similar problems because 
>> he says that he can’t get the cursor to focus on the item he wants to use. 
>> He basically says that the cursor jumps around and he has a hard time 
>> getting the focus on what he wants to do.
>> As for me, I have run sing AI on both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone SE 20 
>> which I have recently gotten a hold of.
>> I hope this helps
>> Michael 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Johna Gravitt  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Matthew,
>>> I previously had an IPhone 8 and had no issues with seeing AI.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TODAY, I CHOOSE JOY!
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>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Can't use Seeing AI on iphone 8.
>>> 
>>> I have a client who has an iphone 8, and is unable to use any of the 
>>> camera features of the Seeing AI app, except that the short text 
>>> option does work. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app, but this 
>>> doesn’t fix the problem. The phone is running the latest updates, so 
>>> I’m not sure what could be the problem. Before I recommend a new 
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Re: Can't use Seeing AI on iPhone 8.

[Michael Irons]

A friend of mine has an iPhone eight in and has had similar problems because he 
says that he can’t get the cursor to focus on the item he wants to use. He 
basically says that the cursor jumps around and he has a hard time getting the 
focus on what he wants to do.
As for me, I have run sing AI on both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone SE 20 which I 
have recently gotten a hold of.
I hope this helps
Michael 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Matthew,
> I previously had an IPhone 8 and had no issues with seeing AI.  
> 
> 
> TODAY, I CHOOSE JOY!
>  Johna Gravitt – Accessibility and Talent Associate
> People with disabilities, access job openings at:  www.benderconsult.com/jobs
> Bender Consulting Services, Inc. Competitive Jobs Mean Freedom
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Can't use Seeing AI on iphone 8.
> 
> I have a client who has an iphone 8, and is unable to use any of the camera 
> features of the Seeing AI app, except that the short text option does work. I 
> have uninstalled and reinstalled the app, but this doesn’t fix the problem. 
> The phone is running the latest updates, so I’m not sure what could be the 
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Got a new phone, SC 2020

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, got me a new iPhone SE 20 this last Sunday. Just wondering what 
might be the best way to learn about working with the latest version of iOS 15.

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Re: Recommendations for a very simple cell phone

[Michael Irons]

I would recommend that your friend consider the Kia Sarah phone and look at it. 
It might work out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Three of my girlfriends have a phone that is much cheaper than the Blind 
> Shell, and that is the Kyocera. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Rebecca DeGeorge
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommendations for a very simple cell phone
> 
> you can check out the blind shell phone. I think there is a newer version. 
> You can go to a.t.guys.com and there are other resources for finding out 
> about it. One is the podcast by a group called Mystic access. They are really 
> good. Good luck.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 23, 2022, at 7:27 PM, Jeff Samco  wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> In my work at a California independent living center a consumer asked me for 
> cell phone suggestions. She is totally blind with no one regularly available 
> to assist her with using the phone. I’m just not up on this category of 
> phones as I personally use an iPhone with VoiceOver. Here are her wishes:
> 
> 1.Will only use it occasionally.
> 2.Prefers a flip phone
> 3.Fairly tactile buttons, raised & larger buttons would be best; having 
> audio confirmation when a button is pressed would be wonderful.
> 4.If there are menus, she would prefer a simple way of getting out of 
> them; there was a previous phone she used that she could never figure out how 
> to close or back out of the menus.
> 5.She won’t be texting, doesn’t need a phone number or contact list, 
> never will use the internet, etc.
> 
> I mentioned the simple 3-button Jitter Bug phone to her and that might be her 
> best solution, although she would like to not have a monthly plan.
> 
> 
> 
> So, any suggestions on meeting such a tall order for simplicity in a cell 
> phone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
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Re: Recommendations for a very simple cell phone

[Michael Irons]

I had the Kyocera phone sometime ago. It was pretty accessible. The buttons 
were easy to get to and then if I. He did not talk at the time but I was able 
to make and receive calls on that phone. I also found that the phone had a 
pretty good size battery pack on it as well. It was also really durable. I 
would recommend that your friend considering

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> On Feb 24, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Three of my girlfriends have a phone that is much cheaper than the Blind 
> Shell, and that is the Kyocera. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rebecca DeGeorge
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommendations for a very simple cell phone
> 
> you can check out the blind shell phone. I think there is a newer version. 
> You can go to a.t.guys.com and there are other resources for finding out 
> about it. One is the podcast by a group called Mystic access. They are really 
> good. Good luck.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 23, 2022, at 7:27 PM, Jeff Samco  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In my work at a California independent living center a consumer asked me for 
> cell phone suggestions. She is totally blind with no one regularly available 
> to assist her with using the phone. I’m just not up on this category of 
> phones as I personally use an iPhone with VoiceOver. Here are her wishes:
> 
> 1.Will only use it occasionally.
> 2.Prefers a flip phone
> 3.Fairly tactile buttons, raised & larger buttons would be best; having 
> audio confirmation when a button is pressed would be wonderful.
> 4.If there are menus, she would prefer a simple way of getting out of 
> them; there was a previous phone she used that she could never figure out how 
> to close or back out of the menus.
> 5.She won’t be texting, doesn’t need a phone number or contact list, 
> never will use the internet, etc.
> 
> I mentioned the simple 3-button Jitter Bug phone to her and that might be her 
> best solution, although she would like to not have a monthly plan.
> 
> 
> 
> So, any suggestions on meeting such a tall order for simplicity in a cell 
> phone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
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Re: Testing old list address

[Michael Irons]

If you have a Gmail address you may want to check your junk folder and her mail 
on your phone. I tried to subscribe to the new group and all of the emails went 
to my junk mail folder.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:42 PM, Flor Lynch  wrote:
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> If you look at the footers of this thread, you will see that we ARE ALREADY 
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> 
>> On 21/02/2022 21:20, don.moore48 via VIPhone wrote:
>> Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
>> sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Testing old list address
>>  
>> Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
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Re: Walmart

[Michael Irons]

Right now, I do not have a phone that will run iOS 15. I called Apple 
Accessibility in the individual that I talk to gave me a workaround so that I 
could stay with iOS 12 for the time being. I know I have to trade up and get a 
phone that will read iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> If you have a phone which can run iOS 15, what is your reason why you stayed 
> on iOS 12?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Hudson
> Sent: October 1, 2021 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> May have to bite the bullet and upgrade to 15.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody I’m still on the latest version of iOS 12 I was trying to 
>> download the last compatible version of the Walmart app in the App Store it 
>> wouldn’t let me download the last compatible version. Is there anything I 
>> can do to get it to download the last compatible version of the Walmart app?
>> 
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Re: Walmart

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> On Oct 1, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Michael Irons  wrote:
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> Hello everybody I’m still on the latest version of iOS 12 I was trying to 
> download the last compatible version of the Walmart app in the App Store it 
> wouldn’t let me download the last compatible version. Is there anything I can 
> do to get it to download the last compatible version of the Walmart app?
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Walmart

[Michael Irons]

Hello everybody I’m still on the latest version of iOS 12 I was trying to 
download the last compatible version of the Walmart app in the App Store it 
wouldn’t let me download the last compatible version. Is there anything I can 
do to get it to download the last compatible version of the Walmart app?

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Re: now that the apple event is finnished what about those of us who still are running the older phones? I am running the i phone 8.

[Michael Irons]

I just got a new battery for my iPhone six. I ended up paying $79 for the new 
battery.

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> On Sep 14, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
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> I would check the issue of 3G going away.
> Does your phone support 4G?
> If so, you probably are fine sitting tight with what you have.
>  
> If it only supports 3G, then check with your carrier as to when 3G support 
> will stop.
>  
> Otherwise, only upgrade when there are new features you want, or because of 
> the battery life, etc.
> It is around $50 US to get a new battery in most iPhones…
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
> Verrier
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: now that the apple event is finnished what about those of us who 
> still are running the older phones? I am running the i phone 8.
>  
> Hi all. I just am wondering I am running the I phone 8 and now that the apple 
> event is over what about those of us who are running older phones like that? 
> I have been thinking of upgrading for a while but am not shure witch phone I 
> should upgrade to? Since beaing that I am blind I don’t really cair that much 
> about the camra and stuff except when it comes to doing things like ocr and 
> stuff I just was wondering the groups thoughts? My phone is still running 
> good and vo is still working as it should I just was wondering about the 
> groups thoughts. Btw I am in Ontario Canada if that helps so some of the 
> things like the us carriers wouldn’t really apply to my situation. I got this 
> phone back in 2019 and we are now in 2021. From Mich Verrier from New 
> Liskeard Ontario Canada.
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Re: EnVision Smart Glasses Vs. OrCam

[Michael Irons]

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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 8:31 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in learning about these glasses too. I do know that Access 
> Ingenuity sells them but I guess you can go to letsenvision.com to find other 
> dealers there should be a link labeled distributors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 6:12 AM, Dean Martineau  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can anybody provide me with evaluations or comparisons of the Envision Smart 
>> Glasses and the OrCam?  I have a trainee who is testing the OrCam, and it 
>> seems to me that EnVision might do what she needs, perhaps for a lot less 
>> money.  Also, any information about EnVision dealers in the US would be 
>> helpful.
>>  
>>  
>> Dean
>>  
>> Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org
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Re: Bose frames

[Michael Irons]

How much do the Bose frames cost

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> On May 30, 2021, at 4:21 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well I’m fully blind and I actually like the best frames it’s just based on 
> personal preference really honestly in anything in life really when it comes 
> to products I don’t like putting things in my ears. And I actually like the 
> sunglasses much better. I like the fact that they have polarized lenses 
> polarized lenses help my eyes since I have some issues with my eyes as well I 
> have had an issue with them for a year now. So these post frames are really 
> helping me out. I also use them for phone calls in with services like be my 
> eyes and Ira.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 30, 2021, at 2:04 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> When the call comes in 
>> You should only need to press the little button on the right arm of the 
>> frames and it should answer the call for you.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Monday, 31 May 2021 7:29 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bose frames
>> 
>> that is one side I have not figured out. I believe it is possibly the 
>> bluetooth that causes the problem. I hear the tone in the frames but 
>> sometimes when I answer the call switches back to the phones. I have heard 
>> others talk about the same thing happening with any of their bluethoot 
>> speakers.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 12:09 PM
>> Subject: RE: Bose frames
>> 
>> 
>> In my opinion there is no doubt that the Frames are much superior to the 
>> Aftershocks.
>> Now, a question. When my phone rings the sound does not come through the 
>> Frames speakers? Is this normal or is there some setting I need to make?
>> Thanks,
>> Marie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Jennie Facer
>> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 9:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bose frames
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have had the altos, and I bought the tempos as well. They are definitely 
>> more pricy, but they are worth it. They have all of the microphones and 
>> multi-directional censor. They are so awesome. I also tried someone else's 
>> after shocks, and I hands down like my frames better. I am also a totally 
>> blind person.
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Beverly Wieland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am a month behind in reading mail from this list.  Hope you will 
>>> forgive me for asking questions on Bose Frames.
>>> I didn't know about them and am absolutely fascinated by the idea!  I 
>>> want headphones I can wear while walking outside that would allow me 
>>> to listen to GPS directions from my phone as well as sounds in the 
>>> environment.  The open ear technology sounds like it will do that.
>>> 
>>> Since I have no vision, not even light perception, the lenses are not 
>>> important except that polarized do seem to be better than non-polarized.
>>> The Tempo seems to be highly recommended by list members.  However I 
>>> noticed that the older alto has two features not mentioned in any of 
>>> the newer models:
>>> Integrated microphone
>>> Multi-directional motion sensor
>>> 
>>> Do the newer models have microphones for taking calls or giving 
>>> commands to the phone?
>>> What is the advantage of a multidirectional motion sensor, either in 
>>> general or for me as a blind user?
>>> I hope someone has tried the alto and knows what this does.
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance for your help, as well as for bearing with me on 
>>> this subject.
>>> Beverly Wieland
>>> bwiel...@udel.edu
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Re: Money apps

[Michael Irons]

You could get either a EyeNote or if you have Seeing AI it has a part in it to 
read currency.

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> On May 13, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
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> Can anyone recommend a good money reading app?
> The free version of cash reader, will not read  anything above a 10, and I 
> will not be using any other currency, so it doesn’t make sense to get a paid 
> subscription.
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Re: Cash App

[Michael Irons]

I looked up cash reader in the App Store. It is free for a period of time and, 
then, they want you to buy it. It is probably worth mine if you need to deal 
with a lot of different currencies.

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> On May 13, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
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> Yes, it is cash reader.
> Sorry about that, I thought it was called cash app.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
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> They may be talking about cash reader?
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On May 12, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>>  
>> I just upgraded cell phones, and I can’t figure out how to reinstate my cash 
>> app subscription.  I bought the lifetime version, but when I go to settings, 
>> and try to restore the subscription, nothing happens.
>>  
>> I’d appreciate any suggestions, as I found out that eye note does not read 
>> with I O S 14.5.1.
>>  
>> Noe
>>  
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Re: iPhone 12 pro an hotspot

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, are used my phone as a hotspot a couple of times to get my 
MacBook Air on the Internet. I made sure that Bluetooth is turned on on both my 
iPhone and a Mac. That’s how it seemed to work out the best.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Karen Poulakos  wrote:
> 
> When I use my phone as a hotspot for my laptop, I have to be sure that 
> Bluetooth is turned on on both devices.
> 
> Karen P
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Re: In need of assistance

[Michael Irons]

Make a better name for the blind shell could be the blind hell because when you 
get that phone you can’t get rid of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> There are push button phones that work, but they require some careful 
> research. 
> 
> I have a friend who has just gotten the latest Kyocera from AT and is 
> giving up her Blind Shell Classic that never served her adequately and now is 
> having some real issues; she can't even sell it. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 7:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: In need of assistance
> 
> You know Kate, there are push button/flip type phones that talk if that would 
> be easier for your grandmother. 
> 
> The flat screen can really put people off at first.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
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> 
>On May 2, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
> 
>Hi Kait,
> 
> 
> 
>This list is a great resource for anyone learning to use a device with 
> adaptive technology.
> 
> 
> 
>Feel free to ask any questions and we’ll do our best to help.
> 
> 
> 
>Yes trying to teach an older person how to use technology is difficult in 
> the first situation, but when you add in adaptive tech such as voiceover the 
> screen reader then you really start having clashs 
> 
>I know this from trying to teach my mother and father how to use a mobile 
> and computer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>As you say just take it one step at a time,
> 
> 
> 
>As for your 911  yes if hey siri is on, 
> 
>She should be able to use it to call 911,
> 
> 
> 
>The other option is the power button on the phone which if you press 5 
> times  should give you an sos format of calling,
> 
> 
> 
>Which may or may not be a good thing,
> 
> 
> 
>Another but slightly more costly thing is that the apple watch now has an 
> alert for people that have fallen 
> 
>So if you had a watch for your gran,
> 
>The trip alert could be setup to let yourself know or emergency services 
> know that she had fallen.
> 
> 
> 
>Hope this is of some use,
> 
>Good luck and feel free to ask anything.
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kait Forbes
>Sent: Monday, 3 May 2021 10:17 am
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: In need of assistance
> 
> 
> 
>okay everyone,  Wow, I  am grateful for this support to help me with my 
> Grands phone.  I need to learn as much as she does as I am the one that will 
> be introducing all this to her.  She is not receptive to any of this.  Let's 
> just say the fight is on.  She sees light and that is it, some shadow but  
> nothing more.  She has had a flip phone but can not use it.  I bought this 
> and then realized I too needed assistance in order to help her.  I know that 
> I will not be able to dump this on her all at once.Gran is having a hard time 
> with what has been dealt to her and I want to make sure I do not overwhelm 
> her at this point but do however want to introduce things just one step at a 
> time. If I try to push I am afraid she will shut down.   I truly believe in 
> time she will see that this will be of benefit.  It is just her and I here 
> and I work outside the home. I tried to set this phone up for her but soon 
> realized I know nothing.  I need to step up to the plate for her as she was 
> for me in my life.  I also Know I am asking a lot from all of you here but if 
> you could see your way clear to assisting me , I would be forever grateful.  
> Let me tell you what I would like to start with if I may?  The,hey Siri would 
> be helpful to start with getting her to know she can use it for emergency 
> calls or to call me when I am away.  If she starts with this will she be able 
> to keep the speaker on without any additional voice commands or the need to 
> do anything else.  I know this sounds probably like an idiot mode kind of 
> thing but I know her well enough that that is enough.  I have my number in 
> the phone and I do believe if she calls for 9 1 1 using hey siri there would 
> be no problem.  this being said am I on the right track?  and if so what 
> would or could I do next to show her there is more and to build her 
> confidence?  It is all kindergarten stuff I know but I assure you this is how 
> it must be done.  I do hope you all understand?  I thank you very much for 
> your kindness, support and consideration.  Kait
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: locking screen orientation in to portrait mode

[Michael Irons]

You are right Jenny. Can you put one finger on the status bar and get focused 
there. Then, you flake up with three fingers and you get the control center. 
This is on the older iPhones.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Try placing focus on the status bar and flicking up with three fingers. I 
> think that is the control center. It may be a three finger flick down. It is 
> one of those. Smile.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Joe Paton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I can't seem to locate the lock orientation button in the control centre.
>> running ios 14.3 on iphone 7.
>> the control centre seems tricky to open with vo running. The swipe up, from 
>> home screens, merely brings up edit, and not the control centre. accessing 
>> the control centre from the settings applette, I can not see the button.
>> 
>> Some guideance if you would be so kindplease.
>> Joe
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Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Michael Irons]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:32 PM, sreeb...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> You may want to check on this. 
> Verify if the settings under accessibility then spoken content then 
> pronunciation. In there check to see if there’s any word that is a 
> substitution for  The word paragraph 
> for example, if I created in pronunciation a  word  Let’s say “hello”  and 
> substitute that word to dodo , voiceover is going to read the word paragraph 
> any time it sees the word “hello” Just a thought.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sree B. roy
> 
> 703-973-7733 Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea then. the dictation feature clearly thinks it hears 
>> paragraph  then. Perhaps a call to Apple Accessibility?
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
>> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation 
>> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me 
>> when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The word paragraph is in the text but he never spoke the word.  We don’t 
>>> know where or why dictation is getting the word paragraph from when it is 
>>> not said.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
 On 9 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph 
 when there isn't the word?
 
 If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, 
 maybe it is determining that is a paragraph?
 That is a pure guess on my part.
 Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.
 
 
 Richard
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 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?
 
 Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I 
 sent with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I 
 don't have that problem.
 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
> 
> When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
> dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the 
> message without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this 
> and if so have you managed to resolve it?
> 
> I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Logitech H800 and bluetooth battery showing up on iPhone

[Michael Irons]

My Bluetooth headphones do you have the stuff that communicates the battery 
level to the iPhone. I’m using the LG Bluetooth headphones.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Dave Clement  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Not all bluetooth devices have the feature that communicates battery charge 
> level to the iphone. I think this feature is called "mfi" similar to that 
> used with hearing aids but I am not certain. My Logitech K480 bluetooth 
> keyboard does not have this feature and thus does not show up with a battery 
> level in the Battery widgit. 
> 
> Dave Clement
> Winnipeg MB
>  
> 
> On Nov 26, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Alan,
> That is odd.
> I’m not sure why the Logitech headset doesn’t show up in the widget.
> O well.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 12:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Logitech H800 and bluetooth battery showing up on iPhone
>  
> Richard,
>  
> When I check my status bar battery level when using my second generation 
> Apple Airpods, I get the same message as you saying Bluetooth headphones 
> connected battery charge 0%. When I check the battery widget on the Today 
> view, I am given the charge level of my iPhone, my Airpods case, and the 
> right and left Airpod. I have no clue why the status bar Bluetooth battery 
> level always states 0%.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 1:34 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Logitech H800 and bluetooth battery showing up on iPhone
>  
> When I check my status bar while the h800 headphones are connected, it says 
> bluetooth headset connect 0 percent charge.
> This is while I am listening to them, so obviously they are not dead.
> I've added the battery widget to the Today screen but it only shows the watch 
> and my phone.
> Am I missing something, or do these just not show up correctly?
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
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Re: Face I.D

[Michael Irons]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> As far as using face ID, I find that holding the phone in front of me with 
> the display facing my face as if I am reading a book seems to be the best way 
> to get Face ID to work.It’s different when you’re laying down if you’re 
> laying down then you have to put The phone above your forehead,and aimed 
> towards the chin. Hope this helps!
> 
> 
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Les 
> Kriegler 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:23:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Face I.D
>  
> Hi Wayne,
> I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others 
> on this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the 
> same way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold 
> the phone vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely 
> straight in my hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now 
> results in Face I.D working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, 
> but I really think I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's 
> suggestions. Simon, you mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. 
> As of now, the difference is night and day!
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> 
> Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
> other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
> approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
> until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
> would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
> period.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> > that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone 
> > 12-14 inches away from the face.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Face I.D
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> > often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> > I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> > cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> > issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> > Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> > settings before setting up Face I.D.
> > The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> > using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> > Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> > the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the 
> > assist on this one.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
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Re: Question About Adding SiriusXM to IOS Devices

[Michael Irons]

Hello, this is Mike. I have Serious Ex M on my iPhone is also on an Amazon echo 
device. I have found that you can only stream Serious on one device at a time. 
What a strange series on the echo and I found the message for the echo would 
come on and say that that device cannot keep streaming the channel because 
another device was accessing the account.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Gordon  wrote:
> 
> Yes you can add it to your iPad, but I believe that you can only stream on 
> one device at a time.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> 
>> I have SeriusXM on my iPhone. Can I add it to my iPad too?
>> 
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Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I know that at present, we don’t have the technology in place 
that can actually tell us on the phone how far away we are from other people. I 
did take the basic precautions when I do go out. I have gotten the flu shot. 
Just wanted y’all to know that I am doing what I can recently do to try and 
stay safe.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
> contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
> numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
> rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, 
> for your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple 
> and obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as 
> possible, wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.
>  
> I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
> already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
> keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
> spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. 
> You can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than 
> six feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re 
> worried about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder 
> for the COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.
>  
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CrazyEyez
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people 
> are
>  
> Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
> cane in the other.
> How am I to carry stuff?
> Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there 
> was a chest rig for your phone.
> Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
> contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
> Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
> Continue on living your lives.
> Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
> you!
>  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are 
> attractive. They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would 
> give it to them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his 
> visor, but we may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time 
> being. I wonder if this could help us with regard to staying distanced from 
> people.
>  
> Kristeen
>  
>  
> On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
> the plot.
>  
> I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
> where the closest person is,
>  
> If I walk in to someone,
> I just hope she is attractive,
> Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
> young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).
>  
> Otherwise 
> People should get out of my way!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna 
> Chopra
> Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
> To: ViPhone 
> Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are
>  
>  
>  
> Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical 
> use for us? 
>  
> The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
> reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
> 
> First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone 
> is there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or 
> meters, updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound 
> corresponds in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
> Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. 
> For example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
> person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. 
> After all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they 
> care about is staying two paces away.
> The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
> hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets 
> closer.
> Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the 
> world around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
> Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
> make a person want a bit of help in that 

Re: Answering iPhone

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I use a pair of Bluetooth headphones to answer the phone. They 
are LG Bluetooth headphones. When a call comes in I press the button on the 
right hand side of the headphones answer the phone. The same button also in the 
Call. The neck band on the headphones vibrates. So you don’t always have to 
have the headphones in your ear.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2020, at 8:19 AM, mmmat  wrote:
> 
> Yeah.  You can not use Siri to answer the call, but you can use it to call 
> back.  I like it.  It is simple and a workable solution.
>  
> Thanks to the group for all your ideas, it gave me some other options and 
> helped me to think through the process better.
>  
> Mario
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
> Hutchings
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Answering iPhone
>  
> Using SIRI to call back is a good option.  I don’t know how many times that I 
> have tried to call a sighted person and was in the process of leaving them a 
> voice mail when they called me back.  It is not just a blind thing being to 
> slow to answer a call.
>  
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
> Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
> fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
>  
> From: mmmat
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Answering iPhone
>  
> He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
> responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
> gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.
>  
> I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to 
> call back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact 
> list, Siri will perform a call back.
>  
> Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.
>  
> Mario
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
> MacDonald
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Answering iPhone
>  
> Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
> be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
> presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
> what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch 
> for how well or not, Zoom works.
> Daniel
>  
>  
> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> There is no speak command to answer the phone.
> There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
> answer whether he's by the phone or not.
> Not my first choice.
> Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
> to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.
> Sadly, Siri will not read emails.
> I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
> to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
> Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
> emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
> stupid in my opinion that it does not.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Group,
>  
> I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
> from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
> iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be 
> too difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.
>  
> There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
> Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.
>  
> First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
> to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email 
> message using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and 
> email message aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it 
> only tells me the name of the sender and the subject line and does not read 
> the actual email message.
>  
> Any help is much appreciated.
>  
> Mario 
>  
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Re: Home Pod Mini

[Michael Irons]

I have a google home hub which I have used him gotten lots of coffee time out 
of my hope to raise Tavis my google home hub when I get in my own place down 
the road. They use my Google Home her with the Internet radio that I have. I 
have a Google Home app on my iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> No one has yet mentioned the google home that I have.  My mom bought
> me one as a gift a few years ago.  I subscribe to youtube music which
> used to be google play music until google did away with it recently.
> I enjoy using my google home for not only listening to music, but for
> asking questions about how to spell words playing a few games and
> asking it to give me recipes.  I can also listen to bard books or
> audible books from my iPhone if I connect to my iPhone via bluetooth.
> The sound is pretty good.  I might get me an echo soon because I hear
> that that device might be able to read bookshare books soon.  It is
> great to have many choices when it comes to smart speakers.  I won't
> get any kind of home pod because I've got all the music I want from
> youtube music and I really don't like apple music all that much.  They
> don't have as much classic country and bluegrass as google does.  I've
> got around 400 gigs worth of music of my own and I have no idea how
> I'd get that music on to Itunes.  I wouldn't need to get the music on
> my iPhone.
> 
>> On 10/19/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> Setting up  sonos is as easy as standing on your head while drinking a
>> beer,
>> 
>> The app is very friendly and the prompts are easy to follow,
>> 
>> And I play my apple music through them and my own music library from a home
>> based machine.
>> 
>> And yeah the sound quality is great,
>> Shame about the pricing but that’s what you get for quality products.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2020 3:47 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Home Pod Mini
>> 
>> Did someone say we couldn’t do this?
>> Those devices are all quite blind user friendly.
>> I have not heard the Sonos speakers but I understand they have great sound,
>> which comes at a pretty high price point, but may very well be worth the
>> cost.
>> If your primary music source is your iTunes library, then it makes sense to
>> me to go with an Apple product for ease of use and compatibility.
>> But, I have not delved into the Smart Speaker world myself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
>> Herbert
>> 
>> Live long and prosper 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at:
>> www.turner42.com
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>> Marie N.
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Home Pod Mini
>> 
>> The main thing I love about the Sonos and/or the Home pods is the ability to
>> send whatever I am playing to all the speakers in my home. Since I live
>> alone I can move to another room and still hear my music, or a football game
>> or radio station. I have a bit over 1800 square feet to roam and prefer not
>> having to carry a device around whenever I wander. This way I can
>> concentrate on my navigation. LOL!
>> FYI I have set up Amazon, Google and Sonos speakers with no sighted
>> assistance with very little or no trouble and know there will be no problem
>> with the Home pods I plan to try when available. So it is nonsense to say we
>> can’t do this.
>> 
>> Marie
>> From: Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Home Pod Mini
>> 
>> You can use it to control your own music library at home or in the cloud
>> that you own
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Cris Ali
>> mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I have never owned a smart speaker. For this reason, excuse my question. It
>> may sound naïve to many of you. If one wants to get the Home Pod Mini, or
>> any other smart speaker for that matter, but this person does not want to
>> subscribe to any music streaming service, what would be the benefits of
>> owning such a smart speaker? I understand that one 

Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Irons]

I am not willing to face Face ID if I have to wear a mask.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I would actually prefer to have a larger phone with the touch ID 
on it I fingers are large and don’t work that well on a smaller screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Michael Irons]

I believe that people would like to have touch ID so that they can open their 
phone easier when they have to wear a mask. We all need to remember COVID-19 is 
still out there in all of us probably have to wear masks when we’re out and 
about. Face ID will not work very well when you have to wear a mask.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Why not graban SE2? Its 4.7-inch screen, Home Button (though not physical but 
> virtual like on the 7and 8), and TouchID. It’s sound is awesome! Thus I feel 
> it’s the best pone out there so far! Cheaper tan the 12,great sound, récords 
> in stereo, and small.
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>  
> De: Michael Maslo
> Enviado: miércoles, 14 de octubre de 2020 11:34 p. m.
> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Asunto: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>  
> Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print scan 
> instead of facial ID?
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Michael maslo
>  
> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> > sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series. 
> >
> > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> > conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID." 
> >
> > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > orchard; but not quite.
> >
> > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> > iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> > fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> > single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> > well, I might add, then why not Apple? 
> >
> > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> > must reap, what we must. 
> >
> > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future. 
> >
> > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> > Plus for a little longer.
> >
> > Mark
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Re: Siri quit saying things regarding sports

[Michael Irons]

I am still using iOS 12 latest version and Siri does not give me sports 
schedules or sports scores.

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> On Oct 13, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> 
> This sports issue just started recently like last week maybe.  I can't get 
> any MLB baseball information from Siri.
> 
> 
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
> 
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
> 
>> On 10/13/2020 2:28 PM, Holly wrote:
>> Kitty:
>> 
>> I am still on 13.7 and still have the problem with Siri.
>> 
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Re: Private browsing mode in safari

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I am still running latest version of iOS 12 and when I double 
tap on private browsing it does take me out of it. And I see all the other 
pages that I have worked out.

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> On Oct 8, 2020, at 4:12 PM, B. J. Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> if you  double tap the tabs  button at the bottom of sefary at the bottom of 
> that there's a privit, new tab and done button at the bottom. privit is 
> probly selected if you have it on. double taping that should deselect it for 
> you. I hope this is still accurate as I'm stil on iOs 12 waht ever the latest 
> is.
> 
> Hope it helps,
> B. J. Maynard
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Stone" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Private browsing mode in safari
> 
> 
> No it isn’t, even closing Safari doesn’t fix the problem.
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2020, at 19:39, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m pretty sure that’s just when you open a private browsing window? Just 
>> close out of the window and it should be back to normal.
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I seem to have managed to get Stuck in private browsing mode by mistake. 
>>> How do I get out again please?
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Re: Private browsing mode in safari

[Michael Irons]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2020, at 4:12 PM, B. J. Maynard  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> if you  double tap the tabs  button at the bottom of sefary at the bottom of 
> that there's a privit, new tab and done button at the bottom. privit is 
> probly selected if you have it on. double taping that should deselect it for 
> you. I hope this is still accurate as I'm stil on iOs 12 waht ever the latest 
> is.
> 
> Hope it helps,
> B. J. Maynard
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Stone" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Private browsing mode in safari
> 
> 
> No it isn’t, even closing Safari doesn’t fix the problem.
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2020, at 19:39, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m pretty sure that’s just when you open a private browsing window? Just 
>> close out of the window and it should be back to normal.
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I seem to have managed to get Stuck in private browsing mode by mistake. 
>>> How do I get out again please?
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I generally do not yet the latest version of iOS when it comes 
out. I wait for later releases. I keep my updates on manual so that I can 
decide when I want to update. I doing this I’ve been able to stay out of places 
of iOS that had lots of problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Lisa P. Geibel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been seeing this subject and ignoring it, but since I agree and have 
> some issues with it myself, thought I'd chime in on how my Husband I think 
> IOS14 sucks in case there's a fix for them.
> 
> The first thing we hate about it, I don't think can be fixed as I remember 
> seeing that this may be taken away is that whenever a notification comes in, 
> it no longer announces the time like it used to. Oh well, Apple you suck and 
> should give us the option to have that turned on or off for those that hated 
> it.
> 
> The next thing is that I don't know if any of you have noticed this or not, 
> but some notifications come in and it doesn't read the entire notification, 
> but ends with a button and there's no way that we've found to click on this 
> and read the whole notification. Anyone else notice this and know of a way to 
> read the whole notification? Does anyone know the character limit for 
> notifications since it does read the entire one sometimes and we're guessing 
> that's the issue? Thanks and any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I generally do not yet the latest version of iOS when it comes 
out. I wait for later releases. I keep my updates on manual so that I can 
decide when I want to update. I doing this I’ve been able to stay out of places 
of iOS that had lots of problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Lisa P. Geibel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been seeing this subject and ignoring it, but since I agree and have 
> some issues with it myself, thought I'd chime in on how my Husband I think 
> IOS14 sucks in case there's a fix for them.
> 
> The first thing we hate about it, I don't think can be fixed as I remember 
> seeing that this may be taken away is that whenever a notification comes in, 
> it no longer announces the time like it used to. Oh well, Apple you suck and 
> should give us the option to have that turned on or off for those that hated 
> it.
> 
> The next thing is that I don't know if any of you have noticed this or not, 
> but some notifications come in and it doesn't read the entire notification, 
> but ends with a button and there's no way that we've found to click on this 
> and read the whole notification. Anyone else notice this and know of a way to 
> read the whole notification? Does anyone know the character limit for 
> notifications since it does read the entire one sometimes and we're guessing 
> that's the issue? Thanks and any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Michael Irons]

Hello, just wondering which version of the Apple Watch would be most accessible 
to someone who is totally blind.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
> able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
> told me.
> If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the 
> battery wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and 
> maybe more, but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close 
> enough to wanting one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the 
> acronym at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus 
> far I have not done, I would go for the new 6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
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Weather

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone here is the weather app that I am using. Weather - The Weather 
Channel by The Weather Channel Interactive
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-the-weather-channel/id295646461


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Re: Lightning Alert?

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, I just got the Weather app the one that is put out by the 
weather channel. It is accessible with voiceover. It is also free. He does have 
the alerts for lightning wind and other kinds of severe weather.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Steve Sweeney  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Just saw it for $3.99 in the app store.  The settings do not say anything 
> specifically about lightening, but I'm hoping it is covered in severe weather.
> -Steve
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Lightning Alert?
> 
> That sounds right.  I think I paid $4.99 for it and have never regretted the 
> purchase.
> They keep VoiceOver users in mind when doing updates and if they mess 
> something up, they fix it quickly.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Holly
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning Alert?
> 
> Weather Gods cost about $5 or $6.  One time charge.
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Re: Speak Screen

[Michael Irons]

I have speak screen turned off VoiceOver turned on now he’s with a finger swipe 
down to read stuff on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Yes the note in settings is quite misleading. I also went there to double 
> checked that mine was set to off
> , but the two finger swipe down still worked. One of those unexplainable 
> quirks, I guess.
> 
> Marie
> -Original Message- From: Richard
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 4:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speak Screen
> 
> Hi Marie,
> I just shared what voice over read to me in the settings.
> Haven't used the feature, so I can't comment otherwise.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
> - Original Message - From: "Marie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Speak Screen
> 
> 
> This actually works even with speak screen off.
> 
> 
> 
> Marie
> -Original Message- From: Richard
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 1:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Speak Screen
> 
> Hi Ann,
> When Speak Screen is turned on,
> swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of
> the screen.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
> - Original Message - From: "Ann Byrne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The
> message window
> 
> 
> What is speak screen supposed to do?  If
> VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
> At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
>> That's good it still works.  It says in
>> Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it
>> insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned
>> on to work.  I should have tested it before
>> posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> *My body has absorbed so much soap and
>> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ryan Mann
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe
>> down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> 
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>> From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> on behalf of Mike B.
>> <mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
>> To:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2
>> finger swipe down gesture from the top of the
>> screen won't read the screen contents any
>> longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> *My body has absorbed so much soap and
>> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> Carolyn,
>> Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
>> Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I get some kind of stuff about speak
>> screen too that is in my way, especially when
>> entering access code or when entering a phone
>> number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > no.
>> >
>> > Dave.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Dennis Long
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
>> > To: 

Re: iPhone gets green screened

[Michael Irons]

I read the article and found it interesting.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Lists,
>  
> Thought some might like to read this article.
>  
> Not sure if any one here has picked this up yet but interesting article.
>  
> https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/iphone/iphones-green-screen-bug-3790041/?pn
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Re: I Books

[Michael Irons]

I am in using iBooks to re-send PDF files and it will also read some old files 
that are in my library. Had a little trouble getting it to work initially but 
I’m slowly figuring it out. Just takes a little maneuvering around the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:19 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   It’s now called Books in iOS 13, but it is an accessible app as iBooks. It 
> reads PDF and ePub formatted files.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello everyone, does anyone on here use iBooks? I’m using an iPhone 6 
>> running the latest version of iOS 12.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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I Books

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, does anyone on here use iBooks? I’m using an iPhone 6 running 
the latest version of iOS 12.

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Re: Update

[Michael Irons]

Hello everybody, this is Mike. I reached out to Marilyn and offered her support 
and I am glad that I did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> SentAwesome job! I knew you would have no Awesome job! I knew you would have 
> no problem. from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 12:11 PM, marilyn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>>  
>> I have successfully unsubscribed (spelled correctly this time – smile) from 
>> my old address and am now receiving my messages in my new inbox. To date, I 
>> have heard nothing more (apology or otherwise) from the person who wrote the 
>> rude response. Like the world out there, this list is a microcosm of people, 
>> and I am thankful to be a part of it, regardless of who else is on here. 
>> Though the words shocked and stung me, I want you to know that I appreciate 
>> the support you demonstrated for me. While I don’t post often, I always read 
>> and learn. Thank you for caring enough to nurture and be helpful. I know you 
>> will continue to be your best selves as we move beyond this incident.  
>>  
>> Take good care of yourselves.
>>  
>> Marilyn
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> No, the person who made the rude remark about Marilyn did not apologize at 
>> all.  It was Marilyn who apologized for asking the question.   The very rude 
>> person has not bothered to apologize.  This thread has continued as many of 
>> us have wanted to offer support for Marilyn. 
>>  
>> Sherry Wells
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Barbara Stahl
>> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 
>> Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she 
>> did appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every 
>> one makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 
>> Its time to let it go. 
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has 
>> nothing to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a 
>> few rude members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want 
>> to help other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous 
>> people from joining the list.
>>  
>> IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
>> kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who 
>> would tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just 
>> not someone who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.
>>  
>> Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and 
>> I don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people 
>> on it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people 
>> would kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately 
>> this isn’t the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that 
>> is that the blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude 
>> people in it then the general community. I find this to be just another 
>> unsubstantiated prejudice against blind people.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
>> Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
>> opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
>> behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sharon
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
>> list.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Lumpkin
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected 
>> in the realm of good list etiquette.
>> .
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
>> Giannetti
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person 
>> just because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.
>> 
>> Sent 

Re: Where Is The Out Box?

[Michael Irons]

Hi Arnold, I also have an iPhone 6. Just find the back button on the upper 
left-hand side and double tap on that to get out of the inbox. Scroll right 
until you find the outbox. You can go into your outbox and delete your messages 
there. If I experienced outbox always appears when your messages.  do not send. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Running the native mail app and 12.4.7, where is the out box? The icon in the 
> bottom left of the screen says I now have four messages it could not send, I 
> know why it couldn't send three of them, and I want to delete them.   Thanks 
> for any information. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
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Re: group me accessibility?

[Michael Irons]

Group me is accessible with voiceover

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> On May 13, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Dan  wrote:
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> Does anyone out there know if this app is accessible?
> 
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Re: Getting a Recent caller into Contacts.

[Michael Irons]

After you get a call I want to find more info double tap on that and then keep 
working until you find create new contact. That is if you want to add that 
phone number as a new contact if you want to add a phone number to an existing 
contact you go to more info and find add to existing contact.
Mike

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> On Apr 23, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I had two calls today that I tried to put in Contacts. 
> 
> I flicked down and got More Information, then flicked left
> to add to Contacts. When I doubletapped, I got Contacts,
> Section Index and Contact list, but no place to add. I just
> had to do from scratch, go back to recents, and it gave the
> caller name, so I would know I had it in correct. 
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Re: issues with my echo dot third gen

[Michael Irons]

Try finding the button with a dot on it. When you find that button press it and 
hold down on it until it says reset and it will talk about going to the Alexa 
app to set it up.

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> On Apr 10, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Dacia Cole  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> My echo kept teling me it needed to continue the set up so I hit
> continue and then held down the action button until it said that set
> up mode was on then I kept hitting continue on my iPhone but nothing
> happened. So I hit cancel and am trying to use my alexa device and
> it's not working. I thought it was set up a few weeks ago as I can do
> several things with it, but it kept popping up that message any time I
> launched the app. Is there a sequence of buttons I can hit to reset
> the echo dot or do I have to tell it to remove the device and read it?
> thanks,
> 
> Dacia
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Re: iPhone 8 vs the new SE 2020?

[Michael Irons]

I actually use the Camera sign with the Seeing AI app in a little bit with the 
MoneyReader app and also used the Camera and TapTapSee see. The camera is 
deathly not bottom priority for me. I might be able to use it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> For me, camera is bottom priority, but my husband saw a commercial about the 
> 11 camera, and he was very impressed. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 8 vs the new SE 2020?
> 
> Well, the new phone will have the same i13 chip that the iPHone 11's have.
> The iPhone 8 has the i11 chip.
> So, That alone will make some difference, but is it enough to upgrade from an 
> 8 to the new phone?  That is clearly up to the individual.
> I suspect the camera will be as good as the 8 and it may have more RAM, but 
> until it is announced, "only the shadow knows."
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 8 vs the new SE 2020?
> 
> Since the iPhone 8 was released in September, 2017, I would hope that the 
> second generation iPhone SE provided it is ever released would have more 
> technical prowess than a phone which is over two and a half years old.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 vs the new SE 2020?
> 
> From MyVantagePoint, it's the UpComin' iPhoneSE For a  CoupleOfReasons, it 
> will (More Than
> Likely) Receive  More iOSUpdates  & it has a  Better & More Efficient 
> AppleChip, the A13BionicChip, which is IN  Apple's iPhone11 & iPhone11PRO & 
> iPhone11PRO MAX
> Note:
> This is MyOpinon only
> At 09:40 AM 4/8/2020, you wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve been watching the conversation aboutthe new SE with interest.  I 
>> was curious and looked on E Bay at iPhone 8 prices and they are quite 
>> affordable.
>> 
>> 
>> For the sake of this conversation let’s assume that the prices are 
>> close, which is the more updated phone?  The 8 or new SE?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for your hellp,
>> 
>> 
>> Kim
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Re: Native Mail App Question

[Michael Irons]

One thing you might have an iPhone is junk mail folder and also the archive 
mail folder. Depending on where you are getting your email.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Right, but it would be nice to be able to set up those kinds of rules on the 
> iPhone.
> More and more people are just using devices and not a computer.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Eric 
> Caron
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Native Mail App Question
>  
> Hi Danney,
>  
>What exactly are you hoping to have happen?  And, do you have 
> access to your mail through a computer as well as your iPhone? 
>  
> If you want to have messages from a group such as this go to a specific 
> mailbox that can be done with mail rules in the mail app on a Mac computer. 
> Thats how I sort out several mailing lists. 
>  
> I  have done this also in google in the past so I expect most mail 
> applications, at least on the computer can do that. 
>  
> My iPhone in box seems to be following the rules I set up on my computer.  I 
> must admit however that I read most list emails on my computer by going to 
> the mail box.  I don’t usually do that on my iPhone.
>  
> Still the messages are getting filtered correctly when I check my mail on my 
> iPhone.
>  
> Eric Caron 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> Not that I'm aware of.
> I've asked for this for several years.
> Keep asking Apple to include this feature and maybe one day it will show up.
> I'd write Apple accessibility, but maybe more importantly add the feedback 
> through www.apple.com/feedback
> since this is not strictly an accessibility issue, their accessibility people 
> may not have much to say about this, but I figure the more people that hear 
> that this is a desired feature, the better.
>  
> 
> Richard
> "Today's poop is tomorrow's fertilizer." -- Anonymous
> (Sent from my iPhone SE)
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> “
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:31 AM, 'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone 
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> 
>  
> Is it possible to direct email from particular senders into it’s 
> own folder?  I’m subscribed to a few groups and it would make things easier.
> Would be appreciative of any guidance on this, if it is an option.
> Best regards,
> 
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[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I was just wondering which list app works the best with 
voiceover. I’m running the latest version of iOS 12. Which lasted work best for 
grocery list list to do etc.

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