Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Issue with unresponsiveness after aira calls is indeed resolved after 13.2.3 > On Nov 22, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw wrote: > > The issue I have is with the braille cursor. When I'm using my braille > display, I can't move my cursor wherever I want using the routing > keys. I literally have to turn on VO and use gestures on the phone to > move my cursor. Quite annoying. Has anyone else experienced this? I > have the Focus 40 Blue. Thanks. > >> On 11/21/19, 'cwc' via VIPhone wrote: >> The strangest thing that I have found is the Rotor does not stay wher I put >> >> it. I usually keep it in Headings, but I have found it moving sommewher >> else when I go to another web page or ap. >> >>> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-5, Cris Ali wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description >>> >>> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the >>> >>> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed >>> that the email delete bug still persists. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Cris >>> B >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/a7c52c20-fd94-4c1d-8251-ce2c00c296c7%40googlegroups.com. >> > > > -- > Sharonda Goode > -- > Skype: sharonda2004 > Twitter: shari_rocks > And Yes, I'm on Facebook! > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CA%2Bv4FNzYMusxmv4rHuK42CTmqm4a8wfnMZEgmJVKNkF5wKMHsQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/7CE66BFB-B06F-45A6-AAE0-BF22A20291B9%40gmail.com.
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
The issue I have is with the braille cursor. When I'm using my braille display, I can't move my cursor wherever I want using the routing keys. I literally have to turn on VO and use gestures on the phone to move my cursor. Quite annoying. Has anyone else experienced this? I have the Focus 40 Blue. Thanks. On 11/21/19, 'cwc' via VIPhone wrote: > The strangest thing that I have found is the Rotor does not stay wher I put > > it. I usually keep it in Headings, but I have found it moving sommewher > else when I go to another web page or ap. > > On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-5, Cris Ali wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description >> >> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the >> >> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed >> that the email delete bug still persists. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Cris >> B >> >> >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/a7c52c20-fd94-4c1d-8251-ce2c00c296c7%40googlegroups.com. > -- Sharonda Goode -- Skype: sharonda2004 Twitter: shari_rocks And Yes, I'm on Facebook! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CA%2Bv4FNzYMusxmv4rHuK42CTmqm4a8wfnMZEgmJVKNkF5wKMHsQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
The strangest thing that I have found is the Rotor does not stay wher I put it. I usually keep it in Headings, but I have found it moving sommewher else when I go to another web page or ap. On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-5, Cris Ali wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed > that the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/a7c52c20-fd94-4c1d-8251-ce2c00c296c7%40googlegroups.com.
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Sandy, I've reported the Mail app loss of focus to Apple Accessibility after upgrading to iOS 13.2 and they replied acknowledging the issue and its reporting by numerous users. Apparently, they are still working on it since it's still present in iOS 13.2.3. I think it's a good idea for everyone who experiences this issue to report it to Apple Accessibility because the squeakier the wheel, the more likely it is to get greased. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:00 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone > wrote: > > hi, > Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still > having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around > when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want > with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list > of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new > one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I > frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me > nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this > problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera. > thanks, Sandy > > Sent from The dark side of the moon > >> On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update? >> The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 >> releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now >> on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if >> 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of >> January. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of brian >> albriton >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going >> to look in to this with Apple accessibility. >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> >>> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. >>> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a >>> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth >>> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but >>> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only >>> speak/use English this is not a problem. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Anthony Vece >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>> >>> Just reload the message >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>>> >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the >>>> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another >>>> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? >>>> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the >>>> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason >>>> not to update. >>>> Davy >>>> >>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>>> >>>> Hi everybody; >>>> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the >>>> past 10 years. >>>> >>>> >>>> I’ve always worked around Boggs. >>>> Nothing is perfect. >>>> That’s a fact of life and software. >>>> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the >>>> bugs. >>>> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. >>>> Hope this helps >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No, pl
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Sandy Please report immediately to accessibil...@apple.com and please to everybody really do report after each new update the persisting bugs. All bugs that are reported by less than 1000 people are denied by Apple and won't be considered as a problem. Regards Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:00 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 hi, Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera. thanks, Sandy Sent from The dark side of the moon On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update? The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of January. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of brian albriton Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going to look in to this with Apple accessibility. On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only speak/use English this is not a problem. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Just reload the message Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: Anthony Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not to update. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi everybody; I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 10 years. I’ve always worked around Boggs. Nothing is perfect. That’s a fact of life and software. I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. Hope this helps Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: No, please stay where you are! The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. So stay on ios12 like I do. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now works everywhere on the home screen. That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. HTH, Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by J
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Hi Sandy, I am certainly having that problem as well. It’s driving me crazy. I hate looking at the email. Take care, Lois Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2019, at 4:00 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone > wrote: > > hi, > Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still > having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around > when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want > with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list > of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new > one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I > frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me > nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this > problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera. > thanks, Sandy > > Sent from The dark side of the moon > >> On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update? >> The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 >> releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now >> on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if >> 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of >> January. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of brian >> albriton >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going >> to look in to this with Apple accessibility. >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> >>> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. >>> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a >>> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth >>> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but >>> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only >>> speak/use English this is not a problem. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Anthony Vece >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>> >>> Just reload the message >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>>> >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the >>>> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another >>>> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? >>>> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the >>>> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason >>>> not to update. >>>> Davy >>>> >>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>>> >>>> Hi everybody; >>>> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the >>>> past 10 years. >>>> >>>> >>>> I’ve always worked around Boggs. >>>> Nothing is perfect. >>>> That’s a fact of life and software. >>>> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the >>>> bugs. >>>> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. >>>> Hope this helps >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No, please stay where you are! >>>>> >>>>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >>>>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can >>>>> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like >>>>> this. >&
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
hi, Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera. thanks, Sandy Sent from The dark side of the moon > On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update? > The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 > releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now > on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if > 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of > January. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of brian > albriton > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going > to look in to this with Apple accessibility. > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. >> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a >> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth >> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but >> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only >> speak/use English this is not a problem. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Anthony Vece >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> Just reload the message >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the >>> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another >>> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? >>> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the >>> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason >>> not to update. >>> Davy >>> >>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>> >>> Hi everybody; >>> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the >>> past 10 years. >>> >>> >>> I’ve always worked around Boggs. >>> Nothing is perfect. >>> That’s a fact of life and software. >>> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the >>> bugs. >>> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. >>> Hope this helps >>> Anthony >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>>> >>>> No, please stay where you are! >>>> >>>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >>>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can >>>> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. >>>> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and >>>> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the >>>> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes >>>> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. >>>> So stay on ios12 like I do. >>>> Davy >>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
I have no VoiceOver problem now that I updated to 13.2and still with 13.3 no problem. I really like Slience Calling and the fact that it is so easy to go turn it back on, if for some reason I want to, then turn it off again. I just turned off phone in Notifications though, because I check anyway, and those Notirications drive me nuts whenever I press the Power Button to get to my Home Page. Incidentally, what is the Sleep/Wake Button. Is that the same is the Power Button? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update? The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of January. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of brian albriton Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going to look in to this with Apple accessibility. > On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. > I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a > super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth > keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but only > if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only speak/use > English this is not a problem. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Anthony Vece > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Just reload the message > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >> >> Anthony >> >> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the >> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another >> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? >> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the >> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not >> to update. >> Davy >> >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> Hi everybody; >> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past >> 10 years. >> >> >> I’ve always worked around Boggs. >> Nothing is perfect. >> That’s a fact of life and software. >> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. >> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. >> Hope this helps >> Anthony >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>> >>> No, please stay where you are! >>> >>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can >>> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. >>> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and >>> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the >>> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes >>> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. >>> So stay on ios12 like I do. >>> Davy >>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>> >>> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging >>> steady on iOS 12. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>>>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: >>>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen >>>> input now works everywhere on the home screen. >>>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update? The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of January. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of brian albriton Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going to look in to this with Apple accessibility. > On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. > I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a > super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth > keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but only > if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only speak/use > English this is not a problem. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Anthony Vece > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Just reload the message > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >> >> Anthony >> >> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the >> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another >> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? >> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the >> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not >> to update. >> Davy >> >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> Hi everybody; >> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past >> 10 years. >> >> >> I’ve always worked around Boggs. >> Nothing is perfect. >> That’s a fact of life and software. >> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. >> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. >> Hope this helps >> Anthony >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>> >>> No, please stay where you are! >>> >>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can >>> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. >>> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and >>> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the >>> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes >>> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. >>> So stay on ios12 like I do. >>> Davy >>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>> >>> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging >>> steady on iOS 12. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>>>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: >>>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen >>>> input now works everywhere on the home screen. >>>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do >>>> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch >>>> with it." >>>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, >>>> by Jane Wagner >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The >>>> description does not mention voice over a
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going to look in to this with Apple accessibility. > On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. > I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a > super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth > keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but only > if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only speak/use > English this is not a problem. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Anthony Vece > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Just reload the message > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >> >> Anthony >> >> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the >> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another >> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? >> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the >> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not >> to update. >> Davy >> >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> Hi everybody; >> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past >> 10 years. >> >> >> I’ve always worked around Boggs. >> Nothing is perfect. >> That’s a fact of life and software. >> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. >> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. >> Hope this helps >> Anthony >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >>> >>> No, please stay where you are! >>> >>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can >>> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. >>> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and >>> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the >>> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes >>> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. >>> So stay on ios12 like I do. >>> Davy >>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >>> >>> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging >>> steady on iOS 12. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>>>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: >>>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input >>>> now works everywhere on the home screen. >>>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do >>>> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch >>>> with it." >>>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by >>>> Jane Wagner >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The >>>> description does not mention voice over at all. This has been >>>> apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore >>>> accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Cris >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>> iPhone list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this &g
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
There are bugs one can work around and some one can't. I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only speak/use English this is not a problem. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Just reload the message Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: > > Anthony > > Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the > dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another installed > language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? > If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the > focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not > to update. > Davy > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Hi everybody; > I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past > 10 years. > > > I’ve always worked around Boggs. > Nothing is perfect. > That’s a fact of life and software. > I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. > If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. > Hope this helps > Anthony > > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >> >> No, please stay where you are! >> >> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even >> not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. >> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and >> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the >> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes >> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. >> So stay on ios12 like I do. >> Davy >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging >> steady on iOS 12. >> >> Joe >> >>>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: >>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input >>> now works everywhere on the home screen. >>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do >>> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. >>> HTH, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch >>> with it." >>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by >>> Jane Wagner >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The >>> description does not mention voice over at all. This has been >>> apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore >>> accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Cris >>> B >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>> iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww >>> .mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7 >>> C%
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Just reload the message Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote: > > Anthony > > Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the > dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another installed > language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? > If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the > focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not > to update. > Davy > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Hi everybody; > I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past > 10 years. > > > I’ve always worked around Boggs. > Nothing is perfect. > That’s a fact of life and software. > I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. > If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. > Hope this helps > Anthony > > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: >> >> No, please stay where you are! >> >> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. >> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even >> not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. >> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and >> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the >> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes >> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. >> So stay on ios12 like I do. >> Davy >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 >> >> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging >> steady on iOS 12. >> >> Joe >> >>>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: >>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now >>> works everywhere on the home screen. >>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use >>> braille screen input, I know nothing more. >>> HTH, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it." >>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane >>> Wagner >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description >>> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the >>> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that >>> the email delete bug still persists. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Cris >>> B >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD0
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
I too was frustrated by having to constantly return my rotor to Headings when on a webpage, so I took the opportunity to assign the two-finger swipe right and left to previous and next headings navigation. That way each time I'm in a position to move by headings I don't have to worry about where the rotor is pointed, I simply flick right or left with two fingers. Thx, Albert *** Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada albertr...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 No issues with iOS 13 for me either. Ok, one minor annoyance is I have to use the rotor to move to headings every time in Safari to move by headings. Prior to 13.2 VO remembered my setting and I could move by heading in safari without first have to use the rotor. Currently I run 13.2.3 and I really like iOS 13. I really like the preset/profile feature to have individual settings per app and they are automatically applied when that app is in the foreground. Apple squashed quite a few bugs in 13.2 and as I said iOS 13 now works fine for me. Thanks, -Øyvind On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Richard Turner wrote: > > That is not normal behavior. > Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that? > That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is > quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the > sound settings on their phones. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > > I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the > sound volume settings"? > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cris Ali > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone > speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though > i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not > anywhere near the sound volume settings. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > > I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. > > > Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through > hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a > regular Bluetooth set. > > > -Original Message----- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Cris Ali > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > > Hi folks, > > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that > the email delete bug still persists. > > > Regards, > > > > Cris > > B > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. > > > -- > > The following information is important
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Anthony Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs? If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not to update. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi everybody; I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 10 years. I’ve always worked around Boggs. Nothing is perfect. That’s a fact of life and software. I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. Hope this helps Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: No, please stay where you are! The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. So stay on ios12 like I do. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now works everywhere on the home screen. That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. HTH, Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB
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Sieghard I do understand your statement very well but my iphone is a bit of a newsticker for me and there are severe bugs in the notification center at least for me in the 7 days I had used ios13.1.2. Moreover, some notifications become sticky even since ios13.2.2 reported by several of my friends. I will certainly update to ios13.3 on condition that the mail and notification focus bugs are gone. I hear positive rumors of ios13.3 betatesters that the notification bug is solved wait and see. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi Davy, It is true that some synthesizers pronounce a few things in a funny way, Gun in fact is simply spelled out as G U N by at least the American female SIRI voice, haven't checked Samantha or the male voice, but I think I read Alex still speaks it correctly. A few mispronunciations to me are small annoyances but not reasons for not upgrading and take advantage of potentially other new features. It could even be the case that you have to upgrade to iOS 13 if you want to use certain apps. One example is the new ScripTalk Mobile app which is available in the US and Canada and which can read prescription medication packages which have been equipped with a special RFID tag by the pharmacy. That app won't work on anything below iOS 13 and of course anybody who bought a new phone this fall gets iOS 13 whether they want it or not. The fact is that almost all of the major bugs like the one with Voiceover going away after a phone call and not being able to use third-party software keyboards have been resolved. There are still a few rotor and focus issues in the Mail app when deleting messages, but those I also classify as relatively minor and they definitely are not deal-breakers. If you have to use a hearing aid I can understand how system sounds not coming through the hearing aid can be more of an issue, but hopefully this will also be soon resolved. I can't comment in detail with respect to braille input and using braille displays since I don't use either. Regards, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Davy Cuppens Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 No, please stay where you are! The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. So stay on ios12 like I do. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now works everywhere on the home screen. That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. HTH, Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C b4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C 1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkj Jpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
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With my hearing aids, I have the problem of the haptics, but not with my little cheapy Bluetooth that messes me up when s scrolling through, say Contacts. That is why I intend to look into a Logitech one. I can navigate without problem with my hearing aids, but the haptics come out of the phone's speaker. I have navigation problems with my $6.80 cheapy Bluetooth, but the haptics come through the headset, not the iPhone speaker. Would be nice if there could be some kind of merger that would solve both problems. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Do you use Braille or hearing aids? I am not sure if Braille input got fixed, I don't use it, but as far as I am concerned the main issue otherwise was with hearing aids. Apart from that and a few minor annoyances iOS 13.2.2 (haven't upgraded yet to 13.2.3) works very well. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joe Orozco Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: > A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input > now works everywhere on the home screen. > That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do > not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. > HTH, > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch > with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The > description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s > policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility > concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m > ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C > b4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C > 1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkj > Jpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. > -- The following information is importan
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Hi Anthony. It's fine working around bugs, if the person is experienced with apple products. But if someone is a relative new user, then maybe not. and, i'm sorry to hear, you work around bogs, as well as bugs, lol. Dave. -Original Message- From: Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi everybody; I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 10 years. I’ve always worked around Boggs. Nothing is perfect. That’s a fact of life and software. I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. Hope this helps Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: No, please stay where you are! The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. So stay on ios12 like I do. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now works everywhere on the home screen. That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. HTH, Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the ru
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I just went to Voiceover Settings > Audio > Sound and Haptics on my iPhone 8 and it did not start ringing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 That is not normal behavior. Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that? That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the sound settings on their phones. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali wrote: I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings"? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a regular Bluetooth set. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052201d59e7b%24784520e0%2468cf62a0%24%40windstream.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsub
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Hi everybody; I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 10 years. I’ve always worked around Boggs. Nothing is perfect. That’s a fact of life and software. I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs. If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility. Hope this helps Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote: > > No, please stay where you are! > > The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. > Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even > not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. > A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac > os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug > since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his > iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. > So stay on ios12 like I do. > Davy > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging > steady on iOS 12. > > Joe > >> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: >> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now >> works everywhere on the home screen. >> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use >> braille screen input, I know nothing more. >> HTH, >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >> it." >> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane >> Wagner >> >> >> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description >> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the >> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that >> the email delete bug still persists. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Cris >> B >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an &g
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Hi Davy, It is true that some synthesizers pronounce a few things in a funny way, Gun in fact is simply spelled out as G U N by at least the American female SIRI voice, haven't checked Samantha or the male voice, but I think I read Alex still speaks it correctly. A few mispronunciations to me are small annoyances but not reasons for not upgrading and take advantage of potentially other new features. It could even be the case that you have to upgrade to iOS 13 if you want to use certain apps. One example is the new ScripTalk Mobile app which is available in the US and Canada and which can read prescription medication packages which have been equipped with a special RFID tag by the pharmacy. That app won't work on anything below iOS 13 and of course anybody who bought a new phone this fall gets iOS 13 whether they want it or not. The fact is that almost all of the major bugs like the one with Voiceover going away after a phone call and not being able to use third-party software keyboards have been resolved. There are still a few rotor and focus issues in the Mail app when deleting messages, but those I also classify as relatively minor and they definitely are not deal-breakers. If you have to use a hearing aid I can understand how system sounds not coming through the hearing aid can be more of an issue, but hopefully this will also be soon resolved. I can't comment in detail with respect to braille input and using braille displays since I don't use either. Regards, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Davy Cuppens Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 No, please stay where you are! The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. So stay on ios12 like I do. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: > A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input > now works everywhere on the home screen. > That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do > not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. > HTH, > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch > with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The > description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s > policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility > concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m > ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C > b4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C > 1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkj > Jpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3E
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
No, please stay where you are! The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier. Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this. A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest. So stay on ios12 like I do. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now works everywhere on the home screen. That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. HTH, Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAJNA4bmCJVFAS0bqdBcuUDseY873m7JzyMv%3DLp6deZvYYMQ%2BOw%40mail.gmail.com. -- The following informati
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
You should write to accessibil...@apple.com about this. Rotor behaviour has become a bit better and more consistent in 13.2, but I think there is still room for further improvements. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 No issues with iOS 13 for me either. Ok, one minor annoyance is I have to use the rotor to move to headings every time in Safari to move by headings. Prior to 13.2 VO remembered my setting and I could move by heading in safari without first have to use the rotor. Currently I run 13.2.3 and I really like iOS 13. I really like the preset/profile feature to have individual settings per app and they are automatically applied when that app is in the foreground. Apple squashed quite a few bugs in 13.2 and as I said iOS 13 now works fine for me. Thanks, -Øyvind On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Richard Turner wrote: > > That is not normal behavior. > Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that? > That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is > quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the > sound settings on their phones. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > > I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the > sound volume settings"? > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cris Ali > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone > speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though > i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not > anywhere near the sound volume settings. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > > I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. > > > Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through > hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a > regular Bluetooth set. > > > -Original Message----- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Cris Ali > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > > Hi folks, > > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that > the email delete bug still persists. > > > Regards, > > > > Cris > > B > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > >
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
No issues with iOS 13 for me either. Ok, one minor annoyance is I have to use the rotor to move to headings every time in Safari to move by headings. Prior to 13.2 VO remembered my setting and I could move by heading in safari without first have to use the rotor. Currently I run 13.2.3 and I really like iOS 13. I really like the preset/profile feature to have individual settings per app and they are automatically applied when that app is in the foreground. Apple squashed quite a few bugs in 13.2 and as I said iOS 13 now works fine for me. Thanks, -Øyvind On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Richard Turner wrote: > > That is not normal behavior. > Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that? > That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is > quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the > sound settings on their phones. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane > Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > > I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the > sound volume settings"? > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris > Ali > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone > speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though > i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not > anywhere near the sound volume settings. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > > I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. > > > Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through > hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a > regular Bluetooth set. > > > -Original Message----- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Cris Ali > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > > Hi folks, > > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that > the email delete bug still persists. > > > Regards, > > > > Cris > > B > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > &
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
That is not normal behavior. Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that? That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the sound settings on their phones. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali wrote: I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings"? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a regular Bluetooth set. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052201d59e7b%24784520e0%2468cf62a0%24%40windstream.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB344057C1815C792B80C22EA6C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following infor
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings"? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a regular Bluetooth set. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052201d59e7b%24784520e0%2468cf62a0%24%40windstream.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB344057C1815C792B80C22EA6C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@g
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What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings"? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. > > Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through > hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a > regular Bluetooth set. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Cris Ali > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that > the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052201d59e7b%24784520e0%2468cf62a0%24%40windstream.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB344057C1815C792B80C22EA6C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Do you use Braille or hearing aids? I am not sure if Braille input got fixed, I don't use it, but as far as I am concerned the main issue otherwise was with hearing aids. Apart from that and a few minor annoyances iOS 13.2.2 (haven't upgraded yet to 13.2.3) works very well. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joe Orozco Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: > A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input > now works everywhere on the home screen. > That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do > not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. > HTH, > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch > with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The > description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s > policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility > concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m > ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C > b4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C > 1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkj > Jpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this dis
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
One of the Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound volume settings. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. > > Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through > hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a > regular Bluetooth set. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Cris Ali > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that > the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052201d59e7b%24784520e0%2468cf62a0%24%40windstream.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB344057C1815C792B80C22EA6C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com.
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 12. Joe On 11/18/19, Richard Turner wrote: > A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now > works everywhere on the home screen. > That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use > braille screen input, I know nothing more. > HTH, > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with > it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane > Wagner > > > On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description > does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the > release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that > the email delete bug still persists. > > Regards, > > > Cris > B > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAJNA4bmCJVFAS0bqdBcuUDseY873m7JzyMv%3DLp6deZvYYMQ%2BOw%40mail.gmail.com.
RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver. Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a regular Bluetooth set. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3 Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/052201d59e7b%24784520e0%2468cf62a0%24%40windstream.net.
Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now works everywhere on the home screen. That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use braille screen input, I know nothing more. HTH, Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali wrote: Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=mquW6ODb8tt4ILYZhwnY%2BA7%2BObpkjJpz6mOYkN4Vyks%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%2540MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4cff0fbb8ae481770d308d76c91aa3d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637097245182588281sdata=EY3EQc5BNFT3MO8tf99KpI%2BEypDFMHRkie3%2BQErn8Bo%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB19017EB335569E0B114CD646B74C0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.
Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
Hi folks, Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists. Regards, Cris B -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MN2PR13MB34409A01B09AD07B8F4AC259C14C0%40MN2PR13MB3440.namprd13.prod.outlook.com.
