Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:brettst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I 
bought it before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app 
it works well and does have more editing features than iOS braille, 
but as a third-party keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have 
purchased. There is absolutely no support from the author at all.


For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille 
keyboard never works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. 
Seriously, if your intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS 
keyboard and don't waist your money on purchasing bugs. I have 
received better support from apps that were free.


Cheers, Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky 
some of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you 
describe, but worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which 
is a
hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's 
no more flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.


R.
- Original Message -
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com 
<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille 
Screen Input?



I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was 
released, so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is 
MBraille, although that very well could be due to operator
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing 
ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for 
me to use as those in MBraille.


A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I 
never used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next 
keyboard button, and although the transition to MBraille is
occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into 
MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my 
fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean 
a three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard. 
 No more copying and pasting.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board 
keyboard. I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, 
that is a user perspective and the errors could be mine!


I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a 
bit tricky to use it in this way, because of the other
keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the 
rotor! Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open
the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways 
it is easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the 
disappointments of the Braille app by Apple which you can include 
on the
rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only 
thing that really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient

with anything other than this.

If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is 
helpful! Carol P

Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:temmo...@gmail.com>> wrote:



o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad 
and IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for
the Kindle Fire I got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come 
close to IOS’s braille input. I love it and it’s an inva

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

e flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.


R.
- Original Message -
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com 
<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
Input?



I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was 
released, so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is 
MBraille, although that very well could be due to operator
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability 
of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for 
me to use as those in MBraille.


A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I 
never used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next 
keyboard button, and although the transition to MBraille is
occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into 
MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my 
fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No 
more copying and pasting.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board 
keyboard. I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that 
is a user perspective and the errors could be mine!


I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a 
bit tricky to use it in this way, because of the other
keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the 
rotor! Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open
the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it 
is easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the 
disappointments of the Braille app by Apple which you can include on 
the
rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only 
thing that really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient

with anything other than this.

If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is 
helpful! Carol P

Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:temmo...@gmail.com>> wrote:



o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad 
and IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for
the Kindle Fire I got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come 
close to IOS’s braille input. I love it and it’s an invaluable

tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for sure.

  On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com 
<mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote:




  Hello,

  uncontracted, table top, UEB.



  - Original Message -

  From: Kevin Chao  <kevincha...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>>


  To: viphone<viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>


  Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:35 pm

  Subject: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?







Out of curiosity, how many use VO Braille screen input, and in 
which mode/orientation (screen away or table top)?




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Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

eyboard, and 
>> not just in its standalone form.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
>> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
>> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
>> HCSB
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought 
>>> it before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well 
>>> and does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
>>> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely 
>>> no support from the author at all. 
>>> 
>>> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
>>> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
>>> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
>>> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that 
>>> were free. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Brett. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Brett's iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
>>>> this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
>>>> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
>>>> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
>>>> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
>>>> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
>>>> R.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>>>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>>>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so 
>>>> I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
>>>> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
>>>> although that very well could be due to operator
>>>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>>>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
>>>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to 
>>>> use as those in MBraille.
>>>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
>>>> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
>>>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
>>>> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
>>>> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
>>>> used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
>>>> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
>>>> button, and although the transition to MBraille is
>>>> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into 
>>>> MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
>>>> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
>>>> onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
>>>> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>>>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
>>>> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
>>>> copying and pasting.
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>>>> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. 
>>>> I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
>>>> more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a 
>>>> user perspective and the errors could be mine!
>>>> I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit 
>>>> tricky to use it in this way, because of the other
>>>> keyb

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

oard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely 
>>> no support from the author at all. 
>>> 
>>> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
>>> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
>>> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
>>> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that 
>>> were free. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Brett. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Brett's iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
>>>> this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
>>>> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
>>>> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
>>>> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
>>>> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
>>>> R.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>>>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>>>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so 
>>>> I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
>>>> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
>>>> although that very well could be due to operator
>>>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>>>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
>>>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to 
>>>> use as those in MBraille.
>>>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
>>>> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
>>>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
>>>> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
>>>> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
>>>> used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
>>>> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
>>>> button, and although the transition to MBraille is
>>>> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into 
>>>> MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
>>>> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
>>>> onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
>>>> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>>>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
>>>> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
>>>> copying and pasting.
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>>>> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. 
>>>> I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
>>>> more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a 
>>>> user perspective and the errors could be mine!
>>>> I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit 
>>>> tricky to use it in this way, because of the other
>>>> keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! 
>>>> Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open
>>>> the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is 
>>>> easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
>>>> key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of 
>>>> the Braille app by Apple which you can include on the
>>>> rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing 
>>>> that really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient
>>>> with anything other t

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

seeing a lot of flack on
  the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this is,  but I
  took to it and would prefer this method of 
  
  working  than any other. I
  haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty
  well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
  
  hwile ago now.  But I'm still on
  their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there,
  than here about the rest of iOs.
  
  
  
  R.
  
  - Original Message - 
  
  From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
  
  To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016
  12:23 AM
  
  Subject: MBraille Suggestion,
          was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
  
  
  
  
  
  I already had MBraille before
  the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I have not
  taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
  
  keyboard very well.  I find it
  to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that
  very well could be due to operator 
  
  incompetence.    Also, it does
  not have the word processing ability of MBraille.  If I
  want to edit anything, I have to use the 
  
  regular Apple keyboard editing
  features, which are not as easy for me to use as those in
  MBraille.
  
  
  
  A few months ago, I purchased
  the option to use MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  At
  the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
  
  for me as a third-party
  keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend when,
  for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
  
  decided to try it again.  I
  deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, and
  enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
  
  works well. Now, when I am in a
  text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and
  although the transition to MBraille is 
  
  occasionally a bit flakey, more
  often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my
  text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
  
  any word processing I wish to do
  with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard
  as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
  
  and do a three-finger swipe
  right (being in landscape mode, I mean a three-finger
  swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
  
  text into the text field, and I
  am back in the regular keyboard.  No more copying and
  pasting.
  
  
  
  Arnold Schmidt
  
   - Original Message - 
  
   From: 'Carol Pearson' via
  VIPhone
  
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  
   Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016
  11:59 AM
  
   Subject: Re: How many use VO
  Braille Screen Input?
  
  
  
  
  
   Yes, I do use both the MBraille
  and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I love MBraille
  a lot, in fact most days. I think it is 
  
  more accurate than the Apple
  on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user
  perspective and the errors could be mine!
  
  
  
   I am not too keen on using it
  as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit tricky to use it
  in this way, because of the other 
  
  keyboards that are already
  installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I
  quite often use the old method too, so I can open 
  
  the app and then cut and paste
  accordingly, because in some ways it is easier and I like
  it better! What I do like is to have proper 
  
  key clicks when typing. I'm
  afraid this is one of the disappointments of the Braille
  app by Apple which you can include on the 
  
  rotor. By the way, I use the
  "away mode" " because it's the only thing that really
  works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient 
  
  with anything other than this.
  
  
  
   If you have any further
  questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! Carol 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
Yes, both 6 Plus and 6S plus have split screen capability but I
almost never use it because I keep my phone locked in Portrait. I
get used to it with 4S and old habits die hard xD.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

27.1.2016. u 3:21, Richard Turner je
  napisao/la:


  
  
  
  
First,
in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make
sure you are hitting the right place on the screen for the
various dots.
 
Second,
The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with
three fingers instead of swiping.
I
tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the
only way I could is if I touched with three fingers and
lifted up as opposed to swiping with three fingers.
I
don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think
of it as a glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a
table.  I’ve never had any problems at all doing the gesture
to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 6 and a 5s and
have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
I
have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the
split screen view like iPads.
 
Can
you get it in the split screen view and then select the
mBraille keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller
portion of the screen for the dots?
That
is just a wild guess.
 
Richard
 
 

  
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl
Lenartiene
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How
many use VO Braille Screen Input?
  

 

  Hi,


  I am experiencing the same problem as
Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, all the way across
the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how
quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am
proficient with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to
use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful features. But the
inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.


   Also, ever since I upgraded from my
iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I write using the
MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille
in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too
small. The iOS Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot
positions, and that's probably why I've had a lot more
success using it.


  Finally, the split screen view seems to
interfere with MBraille. For example, I hold the phone in
portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to
an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and
rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from
me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, as the phone
switches to the split screen view with contacts on the left
and conversations on the right.


  If anyone has any suggestions to offer
regarding any of these issues, I welcome them. I would love
to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in
its standalone form.


  Thanks!


   
  


  
  
  
Cheryl
  
  
Rejoice
always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
  
  
for this is God's will for you in
  Christ Jesus.
  
  
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
  
  
HCSB
  
  


  
  
  
Sent
from my iPhone
  


  
On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com>
wrote:


  
Wow! I am so glad your MBraille
  experience is different to mine. I 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I'm also on the MBraille list and I didn't see your posts there. Is
it actually working? Few weeks ago I posted something about Android
issues and Harri replied but I don't get messages from other members
except Thomas from Danmark.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

27.1.2016. u 2:12, Brett je napisao/la:


  Hi, 

I haven't given up on it yet. I do want it to work because of its extra features, like being able to read what you have written without having to dispiss the keyboard. 

I am on the MBraille email list and have made Harry aware of the spellcheck feature not working in the thirdparty keyboard and the three fingger swipe right never dismissing the keyboard, but I have not received a helpbul reply from him. For me the issue of not being able to dismiss the keyboard has existed ever since the thirdparty keyboard became an option and has never been resolved. 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the next update makes the app actually usable. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone


  
On 27 Jan 2016, at 2:26 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan <pau...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Hi Bret.  I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with the MBraille app.  I use it on a daily basis and love it.  There is a learning curve, but I've found that the more I work with it the more I like it.  I am on the MBraille email list and find that when I've had questions I get help and support from others.  The developer, Harry Pasaman, is also on the list and is very much in touch.  BTW, I probably spelled Harry's name incorrectly.) If you are an avid Braille user I encourage you to continue working with the app.
God bless!
Paula and Boston

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone



  On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some 
of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of working  
than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.

R.
- Original Message -
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, 
so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well could be due to operator
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as those in MBraille.

A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I decided 
to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, 
when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and 
although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Brett]

Hi, 

I first tried it to write this email, but couldn't dismiss the keyboard as 
usual, so had to close the mail app from the app switcher and had to write this 
using iOS braille. 

Cheers 
Brett. 

Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 8:31 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> How recently have you tried it as a third-party keyboard?  If very recently, 
> then I regret your bad experience.  I, too, had thought I had wasted my money 
> on the third-party keyboard option, until I tried it again last weekend.  I 
> don't know what made the difference, an MBraille or IOS update, but it works 
> well now for me.  I am running it on an iPhone 6, with IOS 9.2.1. I do need 
> to learn more about the Apple braille keyboard, just to have another 
> alternative.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Brett" <brettst...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:50 AM
> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
> Input?
> 
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all.
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
> free.
> 
> Cheers, Brett.
> 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
>> this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
>> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
>> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
>> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
>> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
>> 
>> R.
>> - Original Message - From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
>> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
>> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
>> although that very well could be due to operator
>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
>> as those in MBraille.
>> 
>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
>> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
>> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
>> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
>> used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
>> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
>> button, and although the transition to MBraille is
>> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille. 
>>  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
>> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
>> onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
>> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
>> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
>> copying and pasting.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message -  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
>> love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
>> more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though,

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Arnold Schmidt]

How recently have you tried it as a third-party keyboard?  If very recently, 
then I regret your bad experience.  I, too, had thought I had wasted my 
money on the third-party keyboard option, until I tried it again last 
weekend.  I don't know what made the difference, an MBraille or IOS update, 
but it works well now for me.  I am running it on an iPhone 6, with IOS 
9.2.1. I do need to learn more about the Apple braille keyboard, just to 
have another alternative.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Brett" <brettst...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
Input?



Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely 
no support from the author at all.


For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
free.


Cheers, Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:


keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.


R.
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
Input?



I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so 
I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
although that very well could be due to operator
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to 
use as those in MBraille.


A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
button, and although the transition to MBraille is
occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into 
MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
copying and pasting.


Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message - 
 From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone

 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


 Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. 
I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a 
user perspective and the errors could be mine!


 I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit 
tricky to use it in this way, because of the other
keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! 
Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open
the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is 
easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of 
the Braille app by Apple which you can include on the
rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing 
that really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient

with anything other than this.

 If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
Carol P

 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

 On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Richard Turner]

That is quite the puzzle.
Have you tried locking the orientation?
I hope you can get it sorted out.
It is a fabulous app.
Richard



> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Lenartiene <cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I appreciate your suggestions. I am a very experienced iPhone user, and I 
> don't have any trouble with swiping or scrolling, except when it comes to 
> dismissing the MBraille keyboard. I also don't have trouble typing in 
> MBraille proper. My issues are only with the third party keyboard 
> functionality. I've done all the usual troubleshooting steps, making sure the 
> keyboard was enabled and full access was on, reinstalling the app, cycling 
> power, and so on. Like Brett, I've had trouble dismissing the keyboard since 
> the feature was first introduced. However, my keyboard input problems just 
> started with the 6S Plus. Although I had trouble dismissing the keyboard on 
> my 5C, I could at least type with it.
> I appreciate the suggestion of dealing with the split screen. However, as 
> soon as I manipulate the phone even slightly to get into position to type, 
> the iPhone alternates between split screen and normal view, and the keyboard 
> is dismissed. So still stumped on this one.
> 
> 
> Cheryl
> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> HCSB
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
>> are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.
>>  
>> Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
>> fingers instead of swiping.
>> I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I 
>> could is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping 
>> with three fingers.
>> I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
>> glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
>> problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 
>> 6 and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
>> I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen 
>> view like iPads.
>>  
>> Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille 
>> keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for 
>> the dots?
>> That is just a wild guess.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Cheryl Lenartiene
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
>> Input?
>>  
>> Hi,
>> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
>> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
>> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
>> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard 
>> for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands 
>> in my way.
>>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
>> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
>> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS 
>> Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably 
>> why I've had a lot more success using it.
>> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
>> example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text 
>> field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and 
>> rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille 
>> keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches to the split screen view with 
>> contacts on the left and conversations on the right.
>> If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I 
>> welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and 
>> not just in its standalone form.
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
>> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
>> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
>> HCSB
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I am not quite sure where your problem lies either but am trying things out 
here since I'm now puzzled about your settings also as I'm using a 6 s with the 
Dird Party keyboard enabled and all options have "Yes"
I'm not giving up though and will remember to come back to you if I think I may 
have found you a solution. I agree, it's the best way to braille, when things 
are working properly, with the most options available.  I'm not giving up 
though and will remember to come back to you if I think I may have found you a 
solution! Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 27 Jan 2016, at 4:52 am, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


That is quite the puzzle.
Have you tried locking the orientation?
I hope you can get it sorted out.
It is a fabulous app.
Richard



> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Lenartiene <cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I appreciate your suggestions. I am a very experienced iPhone user, and I 
> don't have any trouble with swiping or scrolling, except when it comes to 
> dismissing the MBraille keyboard. I also don't have trouble typing in 
> MBraille proper. My issues are only with the third party keyboard 
> functionality. I've done all the usual troubleshooting steps, making sure the 
> keyboard was enabled and full access was on, reinstalling the app, cycling 
> power, and so on. Like Brett, I've had trouble dismissing the keyboard since 
> the feature was first introduced. However, my keyboard input problems just 
> started with the 6S Plus. Although I had trouble dismissing the keyboard on 
> my 5C, I could at least type with it.
> I appreciate the suggestion of dealing with the split screen. However, as 
> soon as I manipulate the phone even slightly to get into position to type, 
> the iPhone alternates between split screen and normal view, and the keyboard 
> is dismissed. So still stumped on this one.
> 
> 
> Cheryl
> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> HCSB
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
>> are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.
>>  
>> Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
>> fingers instead of swiping.
>> I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I 
>> could is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping 
>> with three fingers.
>> I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
>> glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
>> problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 
>> 6 and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
>> I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen 
>> view like iPads.
>>  
>> Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille 
>> keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for 
>> the dots?
>> That is just a wild guess.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Cheryl Lenartiene
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
>> Input?
>>  
>> Hi,
>> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
>> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
>> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
>> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard 
>> for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands 
>> in my way.
>>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
>> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
>> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS 
>> Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably 
>> why I've had a lot more success using it.
>> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
>> example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text 
>> field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and 
>> rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facin

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Hi Richard,
I appreciate your suggestions. I am a very experienced iPhone user, and I don't 
have any trouble with swiping or scrolling, except when it comes to dismissing 
the MBraille keyboard. I also don't have trouble typing in MBraille proper. My 
issues are only with the third party keyboard functionality. I've done all the 
usual troubleshooting steps, making sure the keyboard was enabled and full 
access was on, reinstalling the app, cycling power, and so on. Like Brett, I've 
had trouble dismissing the keyboard since the feature was first introduced. 
However, my keyboard input problems just started with the 6S Plus. Although I 
had trouble dismissing the keyboard on my 5C, I could at least type with it.
I appreciate the suggestion of dealing with the split screen. However, as soon 
as I manipulate the phone even slightly to get into position to type, the 
iPhone alternates between split screen and normal view, and the keyboard is 
dismissed. So still stumped on this one.


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
> are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.
>  
> Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
> fingers instead of swiping.
> I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I 
> could is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping 
> with three fingers.
> I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
> glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
> problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 6 
> and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
> I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen 
> view like iPads.
>  
> Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille 
> keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for 
> the dots?
> That is just a wild guess.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cheryl Lenartiene
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
> Input?
>  
> Hi,
> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard 
> for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands 
> in my way.
>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS Braille 
> keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably why I've 
> had a lot more success using it.
> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For example, 
> I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply 
> to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the phone to 
> landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille keyboard is 
> dismissed, as the phone switches to the split screen view with contacts on 
> the left and conversations on the right.
> If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I 
> welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not 
> just in its standalone form.
> Thanks!
>  
> 
> 
> Cheryl
> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> HCSB
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all. 
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in brail

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Agreed.
VO Braille Input is good for acasional use but MBraille is the
thing.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

26.1.2016. u 2:25, Richard Turner je
  napisao/la:


  
  
  
  I too prefer mBraille over the Apple
braille keyboard.
  It is worth the price and time to
learn given all it can do.
  Richard
  

Sent from my iPod
  
On Jan 25, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
wrote:

  
  

  
  
  
  I already had MBraille before
  the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I have not
  taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very
  well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is
  MBraille, although that very well could be due to operator
  incompetence.    Also, it does not have the word
  processing ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit
  anything, I have to use the regular Apple keyboard editing
  features, which are not as easy for me to use as those in
  MBraille.  
   
  A few months ago, I purchased
  the option to use MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  At
  the time, it didn't seem to work very well for me as a
  third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last
  weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now,
  I decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey 
  keyboard which I never used, and enabled MBraille as a
  third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, when I am in a
  text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and
  although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit
  flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille. 
  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do any
  word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place
  my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write
  dots 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in
  landscape mode, I mean a three-finger swipe toward the
  home button.)  It then inserts my text into the text
  field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more
  copying and pasting.
   
  Arnold Schmidt  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 'Carol Pearson'
via VIPhone 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, January
  25, 2016 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: How many
  use VO Braille Screen Input?




  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple
supplied on-board keyboard. I love MBraille a lot, in
fact most days. I think it is more accurate than the
Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user
perspective and the errors could be mine!

I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard,
because it's a bit tricky to use it in this way, because
of the other keyboards that are already installed. I
wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I quite often use
the old method too, so I can open the app and then cut
and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier
and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the
disappointments of the Braille app by Apple which you
can include on the rotor. By the way, I use the "away
mode" " because it's the only thing that really works
for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient with
anything other than this. 
  
If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope
this is helpful! Carol P
  
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
  
  
On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons 
wrote:

  
  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked.
  six dot. On both iPad and IPhone. I tried to find an
  alternative to that input for the Kindle Fire I got

RE: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi Bret.  I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with the MBraille app.  I 
use it on a daily basis and love it.  There is a learning curve, but I've found 
that the more I work with it the more I like it.  I am on the MBraille email 
list and find that when I've had questions I get help and support from others.  
The developer, Harry Pasaman, is also on the list and is very much in touch.  
BTW, I probably spelled Harry's name incorrectly.) If you are an avid Braille 
user I encourage you to continue working with the app.
God bless!
Paula and Boston

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brett
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money 
on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some 
> of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of working  
> than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty 
> well the last time I tried it,  which is a hwile ago now.  But I'm still on 
> their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there, than here about the 
> rest of iOs.
> 
> R.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, 
> so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I 
> find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well 
> could be due to operator
> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
> as those in MBraille.
> 
> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
> third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
> weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I decided 
> to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
> and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, 
> when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and 
> although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit flakey, more often 
> than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct 
> any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I 
> Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my text into the 
> text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more copying and 
> pasting.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
>  - Original Message -
>  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
>  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board 
> keyboard. I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is more 
> accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user 
> perspective and the errors could be mine!
> 
>  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a 
> bit tricky to use it in this way, because of the other keyboards that 
> are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I 
> quite often use the old method too, so I can open the app and then cut 
> and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier and I like it 
> better! What I do like is to have proper key clicks when typing. I'm afraid 
> this is one of the disappointments of the

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Hi,
I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, 
all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how 
quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient with VO Braille 
Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful 
features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.
 Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille in 
Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS Braille 
keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably why I've had 
a lot more success using it.
Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For example, I 
hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to 
an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the phone to 
landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, 
as the phone switches to the split screen view with contacts on the left and 
conversations on the right.
If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I welcome 
them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in 
its standalone form.
Thanks!


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all. 
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
> free. 
> 
> Cheers, Brett. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
>> this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 
>> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
>> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
>> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
>> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
>> 
>> R.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
>> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
>> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
>> although that very well could be due to operator 
>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
>> as those in MBraille.
>> 
>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
>> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
>> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
>> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
>> used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
>> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
>> button, and although the transition to MBraille is 
>> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille. 
>>  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
>> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
>> onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
>> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
>> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
>> copying and pasti

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Brett]

Hi, 

I haven't given up on it yet. I do want it to work because of its extra 
features, like being able to read what you have written without having to 
dispiss the keyboard. 

I am on the MBraille email list and have made Harry aware of the spellcheck 
feature not working in the thirdparty keyboard and the three fingger swipe 
right never dismissing the keyboard, but I have not received a helpbul reply 
from him. For me the issue of not being able to dismiss the keyboard has 
existed ever since the thirdparty keyboard became an option and has never been 
resolved. 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the next update makes the app actually 
usable. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 27 Jan 2016, at 2:26 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan <pau...@roadrunner.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bret.  I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with the MBraille app.  
> I use it on a daily basis and love it.  There is a learning curve, but I've 
> found that the more I work with it the more I like it.  I am on the MBraille 
> email list and find that when I've had questions I get help and support from 
> others.  The developer, Harry Pasaman, is also on the list and is very much 
> in touch.  BTW, I probably spelled Harry's name incorrectly.) If you are an 
> avid Braille user I encourage you to continue working with the app.
> God bless!
> Paula and Boston
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brett
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
> Input?
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all. 
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
> free. 
> 
> Cheers, Brett. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some 
>> of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of working  
>> than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty 
>> well the last time I tried it,  which is a hwile ago now.  But I'm still on 
>> their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there, than here about the 
>> rest of iOs.
>> 
>> R.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, 
>> so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  
>> I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well 
>> could be due to operator
>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
>> as those in MBraille.
>> 
>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
>> third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
>> weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I decided 
>> to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
>> and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, 
>> when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and 
>> although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit flakey, more often 
>> than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to 
>> correct any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. 
>> Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 
>> 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 

RE: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Richard Turner]

First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.

 

Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
fingers instead of swiping.

I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I could 
is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping with 
three fingers.

I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 6 
and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.

I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen view 
like iPads.

 

Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille keyboard?  
Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for the dots?

That is just a wild guess.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Lenartiene
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

 

Hi,

I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, 
all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how 
quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient with VO Braille 
Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful 
features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.

 Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille in 
Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS Braille 
keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably why I've had 
a lot more success using it.

Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For example, I 
hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to 
an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the phone to 
landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, 
as the phone switches to the split screen view with contacts on the left and 
conversations on the right.

If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I welcome 
them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in 
its standalone form.

Thanks!

 





Cheryl

Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,

for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

HCSB





Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:brettst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money 
on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone




On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this 
is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 

working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked 
pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 

hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.

 

R.

- Original Message - 

From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com> >

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM

Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

 

 

I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 

keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
although that very well could be due to operator 

incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 

regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as 
those in MBraille.

 

A few months ago, I purch

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Brett]

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money 
on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this 
> is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 
> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
> 
> R.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
> although that very well could be due to operator 
> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
> as those in MBraille.
> 
> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
> and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
> button, and although the transition to MBraille is 
> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  
> I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto 
> the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
> copying and pasting.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
>  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
> love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is 
> more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user 
> perspective and the errors could be mine!
> 
>  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit 
> tricky to use it in this way, because of the other 
> keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! 
> Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open 
> the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier 
> and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper 
> key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of the 
> Braille app by Apple which you can include on the 
> rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that 
> really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient 
> with anything other than this.
> 
>  If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
> Carol P
>  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
>  On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
> IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for 
> the Kindle Fire I got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to 
> IOS’s braille input. I love it and it’s an invaluable 
> tool for me on a daily basis, th

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

 keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this 
is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 
working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked 
pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.

R.
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
although that very well could be due to operator 
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as 
those in MBraille.

A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend when, 
for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, 
and although the transition to MBraille is 
occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I 
write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto 
the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
copying and pasting.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is 
more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user 
perspective and the errors could be mine!

  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit tricky 
to use it in this way, because of the other 
keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, 
I quite often use the old method too, so I can open 
the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier 
and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper 
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of the 
Braille app by Apple which you can include on the 
rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that 
really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient 
with anything other than this.

  If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
Carol P
  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

  On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com> wrote:


  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for 
the Kindle Fire I got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to 
IOS’s braille input. I love it and it’s an invaluable 
tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for sure.

On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hello,

uncontracted, table top, UEB.



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From: Kevin Chao  <kevincha...@gmail.com>

To: viphone<viphone@googlegroups.com>

Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:35 pm

Subject: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?







  Out of curiosity, how many use VO Braille screen input, and in which 
mode/orientation (screen away or table top)?



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Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Richard Turner]

I too prefer mBraille over the Apple braille keyboard.
It is worth the price and time to learn given all it can do.
Richard


Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I find 
> it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well could 
> be due to operator incompetence.Also, it does not have the word 
> processing ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use 
> the regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to 
> use as those in MBraille. 
>  
> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well for me as a 
> third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend when, for some 
> reason which I do not remember now, I decided to try it again.  I deleted 
> that emogey  keyboard which I never used, and enabled MBraille as a 
> third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can 
> tap the next keyboard button, and although the transition to MBraille is 
> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  
> I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do any word processing I 
> wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I 
> were going to write dots 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in 
> landscape mode, I mean a three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then 
> inserts my text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  
> No more copying and pasting.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
> love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is more accurate than the 
> Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user perspective and the 
> errors could be mine!
> 
> I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit tricky 
> to use it in this way, because of the other keyboards that are already 
> installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I quite often use the old 
> method too, so I can open the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because 
> in some ways it is easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have 
> proper key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments 
> of the Braille app by Apple which you can include on the rotor. By the way, I 
> use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that really works for me. I 
> can't imagine becoming proficient with anything other than this. 
> 
> If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
> IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for the Kindle Fire I 
> got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to IOS’s braille input. 
> I love it and it’s an invaluable tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for 
> sure. 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> uncontracted, table top, UEB.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kevin Chao  
>> To: viphone
>> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:35 pm
>> Subject: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>>> Out of curiosity, how many use VO Braille screen input, and in which 
>>> mode/orientation (screen away or table top)?
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MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Arnold Schmidt]

I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I find 
it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well could be 
due to operator incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing 
ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the regular 
Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as those 
in MBraille.  

A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well for me as a 
third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend when, for some 
reason which I do not remember now, I decided to try it again.  I deleted that 
emogey  keyboard which I never used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party 
keyboard.  It works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next 
keyboard button, and although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit 
flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am 
enable to correct any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with 
MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to 
write dots 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I 
mean a three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my text 
into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more copying 
and pasting.

Arnold Schmidt  
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is more accurate than the 
Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user perspective and the 
errors could be mine!

  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit tricky 
to use it in this way, because of the other keyboards that are already 
installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I quite often use the old 
method too, so I can open the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because 
in some ways it is easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have 
proper key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of 
the Braille app by Apple which you can include on the rotor. By the way, I use 
the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that really works for me. I can't 
imagine becoming proficient with anything other than this. 

  If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
Carol P
  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

  On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons  wrote:


  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for the Kindle Fire I got 
for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to IOS’s braille input. I 
love it and it’s an invaluable tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for sure. 

On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund  wrote:



Hello,

uncontracted, table top, UEB.



- Original Message -

From: Kevin Chao  

To: viphone

Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:35 pm

Subject: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?







  Out of curiosity, how many use VO Braille screen input, and in which 
mode/orientation (screen away or table top)?



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