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Maybe, but you did say we all have the right to comment on the price, and I'm just saying, although you have that right, that doesn't mean I care what you or anyone else thinks about the price of an app. Besides, although your message was the last in the thread, I wasn't necessarily replying to you directly. If you read the thread, you will see that the comment is made that the app is overpriced. On 06/01/2015 08:29 PM, Brett wrote: So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have nothing to complain about. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it themselves or not. On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi *Brett,* ** As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron Danvers *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. ** *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret
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Krister, Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is to buy it. But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong
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Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com mailto:rich...@turner42.com : Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich
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In the native iOS Braille input, to write a period in the middle of a string of characters, such as an e-mail address, type dot 4 followed by dots 4 6. Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have
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Hi Brett, As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com mailto:rich...@turner42.com : Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's
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Hi Krister, Direct input means that the words you are writing are passed through to the app immediately. If direct input is off, then the words are put into the mBraille buffer and are not released to the app until you dismiss the mBraille keyboard. I would say in most cases, direct input is the way to go. There is an echo difference that I am not quite sure of yet. But my default is to use direct input. Then, because of some oddities, I always switch back to the native keyboard with a three finger swipe to the right. Odd things still happen when dismissing the mBraille keyboard with a three finger swipe to the left. One thing about that I don't like is that the next time you go to edit something, mBraille comes up automatically. That doesn't work very well for me when putting in an email address. Later, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Krister, Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is to buy it. But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
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Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Brett, As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how
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Hi Cheryl, Great, thanks for that. I tried the dot 5 6 prefix, but never thought of the dot 2 prefix. I guess I am showing my age. ( Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 12:02 am, Cheryl Lenartiene cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com wrote: In the native iOS Braille input, to write a period in the middle of a string of characters, such as an e-mail address, type dot 4 followed by dots 4 6. Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1. You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2. If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3. When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out
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True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it themselves or not. On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi *Brett,* ** As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron Danvers *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. ** *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one. * ** *Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.* ** *Cheers,* *Brett.* ** ** *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Krister Ekstrom *Sent:* Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM *To:* viphone
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You hold a finger on tdot 6 and swipe right with another finger then lift the one on dot 6. On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Richard, Where do you turn on the direct input? Thanks in advance Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi Krister, Direct input means that the words you are writing are passed through to the app immediately. If direct input is off, then the words are put into the mBraille buffer and are not released to the app until you dismiss the mBraille keyboard. I would say in most cases, direct input is the way to go. There is an echo difference that I am not quite sure of yet. But my default is to use direct input. Then, because of some oddities, I always switch back to the native keyboard with a three finger swipe to the right. Odd things still happen when dismissing the mBraille keyboard with a three finger swipe to the left. One thing about that I don't like is that the next time you go to edit something, mBraille comes up automatically. That doesn't work very well for me when putting in an email address. Later, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Krister, Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in. I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions. Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is to buy it. But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions. Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations. /Krister 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with the price. On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few things and dropped the early products. I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers. He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected. But, it works well in most cases. I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or replying to text messages just fine. Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability. Sory I only know the US prices. Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged less? I have no idea. I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has done. But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other attempt at a braille entry system. JMO, Richard On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support? /Krister 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com: Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille
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So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have nothing to complain about. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it themselves or not. On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: Hi Ron, Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed choice. Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi *Brett,* ** As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with. Just an opinion Ron Danvers *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Hi, Here is just my opinion. I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t. There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. ** *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/rSkeSUhDA-c/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/rSkeSUhDA-c/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi Richard, Yes, I am using away mode, and indeed voiceover does say mBraille as soon as I select the keyboard from within some other app. However when I go to type, nothing happens. I hear clicks when I touch certain parts of the screen, but when I try to enter braille characters, there’s no response from mBraille. In fact on two occasions voiceover has interpreted my efforts to type as a three-finger double tap and muted the speech. :p Doing a three-finger swipe also doesn’t get me back to the keyboard. I can do that by holding the phone back in portrait mode and flicking right once. This, of course, is what happens when I try to use mBraille indirectly. If I enter mBraille itself and then use it to launch something like messages and mail, then third-party keyboarding works adequately. In those contexts, I’m able to enable direct input without a problem. I tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the program, not forgetting to restore purchases and make sure full access was enabled. No dice. As mentioned before, I’m using in iPhone 6 running ios8.3. Thanks, Michelle From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group
Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
I thinkthere are two more things to try. First, is the orientation locked? If not, try locking orientation. The other thing is try going into Email and start a message, using mbraille as the third party keyboard, turn direct input off, then without doing anything else, hit your home button andmessages and either compose a new one or better, reply to one. My guess is you will find that mBraille is the active keyboard and when you start writing you will hear what you type, depending on ymbraille speech settings anuway. Direct input seems to behave differently in messages. HTH, Richard On May 31, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, Yes, I am using away mode, and indeed voiceover does say mBraille as soon as I select the keyboard from within some other app. However when I go to type, nothing happens. I hear clicks when I touch certain parts of the screen, but when I try to enter braille characters, there’s no response from mBraille. In fact on two occasions voiceover has interpreted my efforts to type as a three-finger double tap and muted the speech. :p Doing a three-finger swipe also doesn’t get me back to the keyboard. I can do that by holding the phone back in portrait mode and flicking right once. This, of course, is what happens when I try to use mBraille indirectly. If I enter mBraille itself and then use it to launch something like messages and mail, then third-party keyboarding works adequately. In those contexts, I’m able to enable direct input without a problem. I tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the program, not forgetting to restore purchases and make sure full access was enabled. No dice. As mentioned before, I’m using in iPhone 6 running ios8.3. Thanks, Michelle From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Yes it is. Are you using the Away mode layout? When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. Do you have direct input on or off? Richard The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. - John Ruskin From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard Richard, I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful
RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
Hi Richard, I have the same problem with the 3 finger swipe left and have reported to the developer but no fix yet even if there has been an update since I reported it. I guess it might be in the next update. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3. If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party keyboard support. It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. Richard On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to going through mBraille itself first? If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address the problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Michelle -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
