Re: Siri is having issues

[Lyne]

i will add, if you use VPN you will have the same issue

Lyne

> Le 14 févr. 2024 à 00:32, Christopher Chaltain  a écrit 
> :
> 
> 
> I recently experienced what Richard describes for the first time this past 
> weekend. I assumed it was related to the IOS 17.4 beta. For me, I resolved it 
> by tapping the listen button. It’s worked for me ever since then.
>  
> --
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
> Grossoehme
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Siri is having issues
>  
> Richard I've had that happen many times.  Sometimes, she is slow for some 
> reason and has lost her connection.  Sometimes it takes logging out and back 
> in to solve the Siri problem.  Every since IOS17 this has been happening to 
> me.  It seems to be more of a problem on my home pod then the phone.
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
> On 2/10/2024 1:00 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
> someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
> the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
> and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
> wi-fi,  but the Siri server. 
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
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RE: Siri is having issues

[Christopher Chaltain]

I recently experienced what Richard describes for the first time this past 
weekend. I assumed it was related to the IOS 17.4 beta. For me, I resolved it 
by tapping the listen button. It's worked for me ever since then.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Siri is having issues


Richard I've had that happen many times.  Sometimes, she is slow for some 
reason and has lost her connection.  Sometimes it takes logging out and back in 
to solve the Siri problem.  Every since IOS17 this has been happening to me.  
It seems to be more of a problem on my home pod then the phone.

Dave


On 2/10/2024 1:00 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
wi-fi,  but the Siri server.


Richard, USA
"Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/



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Re: Siri is having issues

[David Grossoehme]

Richard I've had that happen many times.  Sometimes, she is slow for 
some reason and has lost her connection.  Sometimes it takes logging out 
and back in to solve the Siri problem.  Every since IOS17 this has been 
happening to me.  It seems to be more of a problem on my home pod then 
the phone.


Dave


On 2/10/2024 1:00 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that 
sounded like someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something 
went wrong. I launched the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got 
an answer. I went back to Siri and got the same noise and something 
went wrong. That tells me it is not my wi-fi,  but the Siri server.



Richard, USA

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stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through 
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RE: Siri is having issues

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Works fine with Jaws, a bit of tabbing, but it seems all very accessible and 
it's very responsive unlike iTunes which at times could be quite sluggish.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is having issues

I wonder how accessible all three apps are going to be with screen reader users 
like with NVDA and jaws for example, they’re probably testing it with narrator 
since it’s built-in with it regarding windows, but I could be very wrong in 
that regard just was wondering what are the links for all the User manuals for 
these three apps, TV, music and devices. I did see the one with the devices but 
what about the other two or is there a main link that could just grab all three 
manuals from? I’m just really curious I use Windows 11 on a Dell Inspiron, 15, 
5510 laptop . I’m also using NVDA latest version and Jaws 2024 latest build. 
And I do occasionally use narrator, but my primary is jaws, even though I have 
the other third-party screen reader on their non-visual desktop access.
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 10, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

I’m sure it will be temporary, and in fact, as of this minute, it is working 
fine again.
It probably cleared up by the time I sent my message.
My main point in sending that was to say, sometimes, Siri servers are acting up 
and you can try another service like Alexa or Google and know it is the 
service, not your wi-fi.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 10:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is having issues

Here in East Texas, Siri is working fine.  I Hope you are only experienceing a 
temporary local outage.

James B


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:00 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Siri is having issues

I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
wi-fi,  but the Siri server.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/


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Re: Siri is having issues

[Julian]

Hi, I was having the same problem yesterday. Rebooting the phone took care of it. Hope that helps.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 12:40 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Chela,I just sent links to the three user guides under the thread, “Links to the Apple apps for Windows Users Guides that are intended to replace iTunes” HTH,  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela RoblesSent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:10 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Siri is having issues I wonder how accessible all three apps are going to be with screen reader users like with NVDA and jaws for example, they’re probably testing it with narrator since it’s built-in with it regarding windows, but I could be very wrong in that regard just was wondering what are the links for all the User manuals for these three apps, TV, music and devices. I did see the one with the devices but what about the other two or is there a main link that could just grab all three manuals from? I’m just really curious I use Windows 11 on a Dell Inspiron, 15, 5510 laptop . I’m also using NVDA latest version and Jaws 2024 latest build. And I do occasionally use narrator, but my primary is jaws, even though I have the other third-party screen reader on their non-visual desktop access.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:I’m sure it will be temporary, and in fact, as of this minute, it is working fine again.It probably cleared up by the time I sent my message.My main point in sending that was to say, sometimes, Siri servers are acting up and you can try another service like Alexa or Google and know it is the service, not your wi-fi.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of James BentleySent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 10:04 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Siri is having issues Here in East Texas, Siri is working fine.  I Hope you are only experienceing a temporary local outage. James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:00 PMTo: ViPone list <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Siri is having issues I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my wi-fi,  but the Siri server.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/3F66E659-B45B-45CF-8E50-20254FAE174D%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" g

RE: Siri is having issues

[Richard Turner]

Chela,

I just sent links to the three user guides under the thread, “Links to the 
Apple apps for Windows Users Guides that are intended to replace iTunes”

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is having issues

 

I wonder how accessible all three apps are going to be with screen reader users 
like with NVDA and jaws for example, they’re probably testing it with narrator 
since it’s built-in with it regarding windows, but I could be very wrong in 
that regard just was wondering what are the links for all the User manuals for 
these three apps, TV, music and devices. I did see the one with the devices but 
what about the other two or is there a main link that could just grab all three 
manuals from? I’m just really curious I use Windows 11 on a Dell Inspiron, 15, 
5510 laptop . I’m also using NVDA latest version and Jaws 2024 latest build. 
And I do occasionally use narrator, but my primary is jaws, even though I have 
the other third-party screen reader on their non-visual desktop access.

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 10, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I’m sure it will be temporary, and in fact, as of this minute, it is working 
fine again.

It probably cleared up by the time I sent my message.

My main point in sending that was to say, sometimes, Siri servers are acting up 
and you can try another service like Alexa or Google and know it is the 
service, not your wi-fi.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 10:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Siri is having issues

 

Here in East Texas, Siri is working fine.  I Hope you are only experienceing a 
temporary local outage.

 

James B 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:00 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Siri is having issues

 

I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
wi-fi,  but the Siri server. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

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Re: Siri is having issues

[Chela Robles]

I wonder how accessible all three apps are going to be with screen reader users like with NVDA and jaws for example, they’re probably testing it with narrator since it’s built-in with it regarding windows, but I could be very wrong in that regard just was wondering what are the links for all the User manuals for these three apps, TV, music and devices. I did see the one with the devices but what about the other two or is there a main link that could just grab all three manuals from? I’m just really curious I use Windows 11 on a Dell Inspiron, 15, 5510 laptop . I’m also using NVDA latest version and Jaws 2024 latest build. And I do occasionally use narrator, but my primary is jaws, even though I have the other third-party screen reader on their non-visual desktop access.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I’m sure it will be temporary, and in fact, as of this minute, it is working fine again.It probably cleared up by the time I sent my message.My main point in sending that was to say, sometimes, Siri servers are acting up and you can try another service like Alexa or Google and know it is the service, not your wi-fi.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James BentleySent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 10:04 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Siri is having issues Here in East Texas, Siri is working fine.  I Hope you are only experienceing a temporary local outage. James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:00 PMTo: ViPone list <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Siri is having issues I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my wi-fi,  but the Siri server.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/3F66E659-B45B-45CF-8E50-20254FAE174D%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008501da5c4b%248d049000%24a70db000%24%40gmail.com.



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RE: Siri is having issues

[Richard Turner]

I’m sure it will be temporary, and in fact, as of this minute, it is working 
fine again.

It probably cleared up by the time I sent my message.

My main point in sending that was to say, sometimes, Siri servers are acting up 
and you can try another service like Alexa or Google and know it is the 
service, not your wi-fi.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

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Bentley
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Here in East Texas, Siri is working fine.  I Hope you are only experienceing a 
temporary local outage.

 

James B 

 

 

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Subject: Siri is having issues

 

I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
wi-fi,  but the Siri server. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

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RE: Siri is having issues

[James Bentley]

Here in East Texas, Siri is working fine.  I Hope you are only experienceing a 
temporary local outage.

 

James B 

 

 

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Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:00 PM
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Subject: Siri is having issues

 

I just asked Siri a couple questions, it just made a noise that sounded like 
someone tapping on a metal drum, then said, something went wrong. I launched 
the Amazon Alexa app and asked Alexa, and got an answer. I went back to Siri 
and got the same noise and something went wrong. That tells me it is not my 
wi-fi,  but the Siri server. 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 





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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Richard Turner]

Also, make sure your phone is not locked.
I have never had it fail if the phone was unlocked and I had internet access.





Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Max
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 1:02 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

Hi,
that does not work.
Max.

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 17:14, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> Try turning up the volume of what is playing.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Amaro
> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 1:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
> 
> Also having the same issue.  iPhone se 2022 latest IOS.  It says 
> please try back in a bit
> 
> --
> From: "Anna Dresner" 
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 2:04 PM
> To: "VIPhone Mailing List" 
> Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I 
>> also have hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the 
>> phone wasn't playing through the aids for some reason, and music 
>> recognition worked. I reconnected the aids, and music recognition 
>> still worked. However, it didn't a work an hour later with the 
>> hearing aids still connected. I turned them off, and it worked. It 
>> also worked a few minutes after I turned them back on. I waited a few 
>> more minutes and tried again, and it didn't work. So it seems that if 
>> the aids are connected for more than a few minutes, music recognition stops 
>> working.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it 
>>> is having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what 
>>>> music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or 
>>>> whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which 
>>>> it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do 
>>>> that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on 
>>>> the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet 
>>>> peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
>>>> me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
>>>> stupidity and annoying behavior.
>>>> So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's 
>>>> being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice 
>>>> this?
>>>> If so, what did you do about it? Thanks, Tom
>>>> 
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Max]

Hi,
that does not work.
Max.

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 17:14, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> Try turning up the volume of what is playing.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Amaro
> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 1:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
> 
> Also having the same issue.  iPhone se 2022 latest IOS.  It says please try 
> back in a bit
> 
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> From: "Anna Dresner" 
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 2:04 PM
> To: "VIPhone Mailing List" 
> Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also 
>> have hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't 
>> playing through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I 
>> reconnected the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it 
>> didn't a work an hour later with the hearing aids still connected. I 
>> turned them off, and it worked. It also worked a few minutes after I 
>> turned them back on. I waited a few more minutes and tried again, and it 
>> didn't work. So it seems that if the aids are connected for more than a 
>> few minutes, music recognition stops working.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
>>> having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music 
>>>> is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But 
>>>> now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do 
>>>> pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the 
>>>> usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me 
>>>> a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you 
>>>> found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I 
>>>> get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior. 
>>>> So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being 
>>>> played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? 
>>>> If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
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RE: Siri and music recognition

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Try turning up the volume of what is playing.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Amaro
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 1:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

Also having the same issue.  iPhone se 2022 latest IOS.  It says please try 
back in a bit

--
From: "Anna Dresner" 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 2:04 PM
To: "VIPhone Mailing List" 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

> Hi Max,
>
> Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also 
> have hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't 
> playing through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I 
> reconnected the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it 
> didn't a work an hour later with the hearing aids still connected. I 
> turned them off, and it worked. It also worked a few minutes after I 
> turned them back on. I waited a few more minutes and tried again, and it 
> didn't work. So it seems that if the aids are connected for more than a 
> few minutes, music recognition stops working.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
>> having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
>> Max.
>>
>>> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music 
>>> is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But 
>>> now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do 
>>> pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the 
>>> usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me 
>>> a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you 
>>> found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I 
>>> get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior. 
>>> So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being 
>>> played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? 
>>> If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>>
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Michael Amaro]

Also having the same issue.  iPhone se 2022 latest IOS.  It says please try 
back in a bit


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Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 2:04 PM
To: "VIPhone Mailing List" 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition


Hi Max,

Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also 
have hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't 
playing through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I 
reconnected the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it 
didn't a work an hour later with the hearing aids still connected. I 
turned them off, and it worked. It also worked a few minutes after I 
turned them back on. I waited a few more minutes and tried again, and it 
didn't work. So it seems that if the aids are connected for more than a 
few minutes, music recognition stops working.


Best,
Anna



On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:

Hi Tom,
I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.

Max.


On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:

Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music 
is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But 
now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do 
pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the 
usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me 
a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you 
found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I 
get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior. 
So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being 
played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? 
If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Siri and music recognition

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Same here If is a server issue, what is the server called and is there an alternate? Just curious. Btw, I don’t use hearing aids.On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:It is worth noting I get this on cellular and WIFI both. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna DresnerSent: Friday, January 5, 2024 4:32 PMTo: VIPhone Mailing List Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition I had the same problem for a couple of weeks. Today it's working fine. Go figure.On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:11 PM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote: I googled this topic earlier today and it seems that people have experienced this particular bug in iOS 16. On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:I also get it  From: viphone@googlegroups.com<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Corey CookSent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Siri and music recognition Seems to be a bug in Ios 17  From: viphone@googlegroups.com<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom LangeSent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Siri and music recognition  I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing it is the case maybe.  On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares <programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote:Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the background. On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote: Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/   On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale <elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash <dadnthed...@gmail.com> wrote:Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy <theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote: I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.FelicianoFor tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs  On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi folks,Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,Tom --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and st

RE: Siri and music recognition

[Dennis Long]

It is worth noting I get this on cellular and WIFI both.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 4:32 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
 
I had the same problem for a couple of weeks. Today it's working fine. Go 
figure.



On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:11 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I googled this topic earlier today and it seems that people have experienced 
this particular bug in iOS 16.
 



On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long < <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:

I also get it 
 
From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and music recognition
 
Seems to be a bug in Ios 17
 
 
From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom 
Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
 
 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares < 
<mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner < 
<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
 
Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/
 
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale < 
<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash < <mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> 
dadnthed...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?




On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy < 
<mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
Feliciano
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On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange < <mailto:lang...@gmail.com> 
lang...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
Tom
 
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Dan Yates]

I agree, think it must be a server issue. I’m using the 12 mini and have the 
latest update and I’m getting the same message. I expect, however, that when I 
try this tomorrow, it will work. It just gets Squirrley sometimes.
Danney
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 5:42 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> interesting that it worked perfectly with earlier versions of IOS!
> Max.
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2024, at 09:04, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also 
>> have hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't 
>> playing through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I 
>> reconnected the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it didn't 
>> a work an hour later with the hearing aids still connected. I turned them 
>> off, and it worked. It also worked a few minutes after I turned them back 
>> on. I waited a few more minutes and tried again, and it didn't work. So it 
>> seems that if the aids are connected for more than a few minutes, music 
>> recognition stops working.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
>>> having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
>>> Max.
>>> 
 On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
 being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now 
 it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
 reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
 answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
 answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
 on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated 
 with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal 
 with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up 
 with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do 
 about it? Thanks,
 Tom
 
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Hi,
interesting that it worked perfectly with earlier versions of IOS!
Max.

> On 6 Jan 2024, at 09:04, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
> Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also have 
> hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't playing 
> through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I reconnected 
> the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it didn't a work an 
> hour later with the hearing aids still connected. I turned them off, and it 
> worked. It also worked a few minutes after I turned them back on. I waited a 
> few more minutes and tried again, and it didn't work. So it seems that if the 
> aids are connected for more than a few minutes, music recognition stops 
> working.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
>> having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
>>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now 
>>> it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
>>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
>>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
>>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
>>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated 
>>> with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal 
>>> with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up 
>>> with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do 
>>> about it? Thanks,
>>> Tom 
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Max,

Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also have 
hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't playing 
through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I reconnected 
the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it didn't a work an hour 
later with the hearing aids still connected. I turned them off, and it worked. 
It also worked a few minutes after I turned them back on. I waited a few more 
minutes and tried again, and it didn't work. So it seems that if the aids are 
connected for more than a few minutes, music recognition stops working.

Best,
Anna


> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
> having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
> Max.
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
>> says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with 
>> Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with 
>> Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with 
>> the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about 
>> it? Thanks,
>> Tom 
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Max]

Hi Tom,
I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is having 
my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
Max.

> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
> says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
> When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
> it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
> another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just 
> give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
> stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
> recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's 
> microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
> Tom 
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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Richard Turner]

I still say it is a server issue, whether it be one’s own internet access, or 
Apple’s server at fault, it has not been an issue for me during all this time 
when others are reporting the problem.

 

I have discovered with other things, that even though my phone shows that I 
have 3 of 3 wi-fi bars, I am not on the internet so I open the iPhone settings, 
toggle Wi-Fi off then on again and when it reconnects, the problem is solved.

This has happened with streaming things or trying to use something for which 
I’ve turned off cellular data because we are on a limited data plan.

So my only internet is through Wi-Fi.  I don’t know if it is my phone or the 
router, but having the powers that be test both has come up with no answer.  
The equipment tests out fine.

I would suggest, even if you don’t think it is the problem, try toggling wi-fi 
off and on again when this issue with Siri arises and see if it works after 
that…

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:32 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

 

I had the same problem for a couple of weeks. Today it's working fine. Go 
figure.





On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:11 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I googled this topic earlier today and it seems that people have experienced 
this particular bug in iOS 16.

 





On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long < <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:



I also get it 

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and music recognition

 

Seems to be a bug in Ios 17

 

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom 
Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

 

 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.

 

 

On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares < 
<mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.

 

On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner < 
<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:

 

Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale < 
<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

 

On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash < <mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> 
dadnthed...@gmail.com> wrote:

Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?





On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy < 
<mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.

Feliciano

For tech tips 

Re: Siri and music recognition

[Anna Dresner]

I had the same problem for a couple of weeks. Today it's working fine. Go 
figure.

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:11 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> I googled this topic earlier today and it seems that people have experienced 
> this particular bug in iOS 16.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long > <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I also get it 
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Corey Cook
>> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: Siri and music recognition
>>  
>> Seems to be a bug in Ios 17
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom Lange
>> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
>>  
>>  I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having 
>> that problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi 
>> and got the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I 
>> did get Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that 
>> or not doing it is the case maybe.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares > <mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
>> we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
>> background.
>>  
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner > <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
>> started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming 
>> that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always 
>> works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>  
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale > <mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I 
>> do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe 
>> I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
>> sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>>  
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash > <mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
>> assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify 
>> a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy > <mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
>> Feliciano
>> For tech tips and updates: 
>> LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v <http://www.facebook.com/theblindman12v>
>> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v>
>> Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v <http://www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v>
>> those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones 
>> who do. -Steve Jobs 
>>  
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange > <mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi folks,
>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
>> says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so

Re: Siri and music recognition

[Tom Lange]

I googled this topic earlier today and it seems that people have experienced this particular bug in iOS 16.On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:I also get it  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey CookSent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Siri and music recognition Seems to be a bug in Ios 17  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom LangeSent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Siri and music recognition  I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing it is the case maybe.  On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares <programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote:Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the background. On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote: Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/   On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale <elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash <dadnthed...@gmail.com> wrote:Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy <theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote: I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.FelicianoFor tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs  On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi folks,Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,Tom --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/23C88EAE-BC57-4AA3-91D3-AE8C49A01BF8%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is

RE: Siri and music recognition

[Dennis Long]

I also get it 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and music recognition
 
Seems to be a bug in Ios 17
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom 
Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
 
 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
 
Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?



On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
 
I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
Feliciano
For tech tips and updates: 
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v <http://www.facebook.com/theblindman12v> 
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those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who 
do. -Steve Jobs 
 
On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
Tom
 
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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Corey Cook]

Seems to be a bug in Ios 17

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

 

 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.

 





On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.





On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?





On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

 

I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.

Feliciano

For tech tips and updates: 

LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v <http://www.facebook.com/theblindman12v> 

Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v> 

Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v <http://www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v> 

those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who 
do. -Steve Jobs 

 

On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi folks,

Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,

Tom

 

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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Richard Turner]

Tom, perhaps it is time to call Apple Accessibility.  I’m not having that issue 
at all and neither are several other people.

877-204-3930

Something is definitely amiss for you.

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

 

 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.

 





On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.





On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?





On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

 

I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.

Feliciano

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On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi folks,

Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,

Tom

 

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by the way, I forgot to mention in my last post that I am running iOS version 17.2.1.On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the background.On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.FelicianoFor tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:Hi folks,Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,Tom--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/23C88EAE-BC57-4AA3-91D3-AE8C49A01BF8%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BY5PR07MB690281B365DE6710AA27EFEACC662%40BY5PR07MB6902.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched 

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 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing it is the case maybe.On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the background.On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.FelicianoFor tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:Hi folks,Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,Tom--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/23C88EAE-BC57-4AA3-91D3-AE8C49A01BF8%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BY5PR07MB690281B365DE6710AA27EFEACC662%40BY5PR07MB6902.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators 

RE: Siri and music recognition

[Feliciano Godoy]

Shazam is not needed. It was an alternative that I used when I had the same 
issue as the OP with iOS 16. Now with iOS 17 identifying music with Siri works 
fine. Not sure what fixed it the update-or reset of settings. Shazam was and is 
more efficient and it logs the music you identified in a easy to access manner 
too without letting the world know what you are doing.


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Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?


> On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
> Feliciano
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> 
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what 
>> music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or 
>> whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which 
>> it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do 
>> that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on 
>> the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet 
>> peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
>> me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's 
>> apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with 
>> Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up 
>> with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you 
>> do about it? Thanks, Tom
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Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if we’re 
out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the background.

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
> started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming 
> that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always 
> works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>  
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I 
>> do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe 
>> I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
>> sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
>>> assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify 
>>> a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
 wrote:
 
 I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
 Feliciano
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 LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
 Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
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 who do. -Steve Jobs 
 
> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music 
> is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But 
> now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do 
> pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the 
> usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a 
> direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found 
> something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so 
> aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So 
> what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being 
> played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If 
> so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Richard Turner]

Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.FelicianoFor tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:Hi folks,Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,Tom--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/23C88EAE-BC57-4AA3-91D3-AE8C49A01BF8%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BY5PR07MB690281B365DE6710AA27EFEACC662%40BY5PR07MB6902.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit 

Re: Siri and music recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
> assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
> song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
>> Feliciano
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 On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
>>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now 
>>> it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
>>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
>>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
>>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
>>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated 
>>> with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal 
>>> with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up 
>>> with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do 
>>> about it? Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>> 
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Tom Rash]

Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?


> On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
> Feliciano
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>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
>> says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with 
>> Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with 
>> Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with 
>> the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about 
>> it? Thanks,
>> Tom
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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Which exact version of iOS do you have on your phone and have you tried a 
simple restart of the phone after clearing everything from the app switcher?


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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:39 PM
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Subject: Siri and music recognition

Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks, Tom 

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RE: Siri and music recognition

[M. Taylor]

Hello Tom,

I am running the latest commercial release of iOS on my beloved 14 and Siri 
identifies music just as well as it has always done.

In fact, even in a crowded restaurant or out on the sidewalk, Siri has never 
failed to respond with the name of the song in question.

A couple of days ago, while in a car at a stop light, I heard music being 
played from another vehicle and, even as the light changed and our respective 
vehicles began to move farther apart, Siri managed to grab the name of the song 
the driver of the other car was playing.

When I ask Siri to identify a song, I never have a headset attached to the 
device.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

Yes, Alexa—enabled Sonos speakers are using Tune-in Radio to  bring in KEGR 
Radio out of northern California. Using Pandora on the same speakers to bring 
in the George Friedrich Handel channel I get the same results. 


On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Richard Turner <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> 
wrote:
To make sure I understand your issue, you are listening to something through 
the Sonos system and ask your iPhone to identify the song; is that correct? Are 
you using Sonos Radio, TuneIn, Spotify, or what for your source? I'll try to 
dumplicate the issue but want to know I'm trying the same situation. 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 




On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange <mailto:lang...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
Tom 

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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Kelly Pierce]

On 1/4/24, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:
> I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
> Feliciano
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>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is
>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now
>> it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty
>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS
>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct
>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something
>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated
>> with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal
>> with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up
>> with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do
>> about it? Thanks,
>> Tom
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Feliciano Godoy]

I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
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> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
> says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
> When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
> it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
> another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just 
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> recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's 
> microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Tom Lange]

Yes, Alexa—enabled Sonos speakers are using Tune-in Radio to  bring in KEGR Radio out of northern California. Using Pandora on the same speakers to bring in the George Friedrich Handel channel I get the same results.     On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:To make sure I understand your issue, you are listening to something through the Sonos system and ask your iPhone to identify the song; is that correct? Are you using Sonos Radio, TuneIn, Spotify, or what for your source? I'll try to dumplicate the issue but want to know I'm trying the same situation. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:Hi folks,Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,Tom -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/23C88EAE-BC57-4AA3-91D3-AE8C49A01BF8%40gmail.com.



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Re: Siri and music recognition

[Richard Turner]

To make sure I understand your issue, you are listening to something through 
the Sonos system and ask your iPhone to identify the song; is that correct? Are 
you using Sonos Radio, TuneIn, Spotify, or what for your source? I'll try to 
dumplicate the issue but want to know I'm trying the same situation. 


Richard, USA
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
> says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
> When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
> it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
> another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just 
> give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
> stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
> recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's 
> microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
> Tom
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RE: Siri

[Kenny Nead]

Thanks Chris!

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Good Morning Kenny,

Go to Settings, Accessibility, Siri, and you will find a slider switch in there 
where you can adjust the speaking rate of Siri.

Hope this helps.

Chris




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Re: Siri

[Chris Chaffin]

Good Morning Kenny,

Go to Settings, Accessibility, Siri, and you will find a slider switch in there 
where you can adjust the speaking rate of Siri.

Hope this helps.

Chris




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RE: Siri

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No issues here, but this can just be a temporary glitch and I have even noticed 
at times when peopl epost about difficulties with Siri that they can be 
location based, e.g. if you have issues where you are that may not mena others 
have issues elsewhere, maybe it goes through a different server or something 
like that.
Just make sure you give Siri a bit of time after you press the button, if you 
speak too quickly it may not hear the first part and therefore you get a bad 
result.
For example, I may say "Call John Smith", but if I speak too quickly all Siri 
hears is "John Smith" and then you get stuff like "What would you like to know 
about John Smith".

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Robles
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Subject: Siri

Hello everybody I’m just wondering if you guys have any issues with Siri in iOS 
17.2 where in you launch an app and it says it’s having difficulties. I 
restarted my phone thinking that that would solve the issue and it’s not 
solving the issue so I have to manually start my apps, or at least some of them 
like for instance the watch app. 
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Re: siri craziness

[David Grossoehme]

No you aren't the only one with problems with Siri.  Many times you can 
ask her for a general answer to a question, and you get the response of 
I can show you from a particular web site or she will give you an answer 
from a web site instead of just giving the answer to the question.  I've 
had many times of asking for a temperature of another city and receiving 
my own temperature here instead of the other city.  Set a timer with 
Siri and then before the end of the time, ask her how much time is left 
on the timer and she may say there aren't any timers just because you 
don't ask her for the time on the named timer.


Dave


On 12/10/2023 2:16 PM, 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone wrote:


Boy! I’m glad I’m not the only one having siri craziness.

I ask her to make a call and intermittently she doesn’t do it and it 
goes back to my home screen.


I’ve had that where I told her to send a text or a call and she gives 
me a web take a look junk.


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I have been having problems with it for a couple of days now.



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person’s phone number.  These are both new problems for me as of
today. Will also let apple accessibility know about these.

Just curious.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: siri craziness

['Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone]

 

 

Boy! I’m glad I’m not the only one having siri craziness.

 

I ask her to make a call and intermittently she doesn’t do it and it goes back 
to my home screen.

 

I’ve had that where I told her to send a text or a call and she gives me a web 
take a look junk. 

 

 

 

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Cook
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 16:32
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri craziness

 

I have been having problems with it for a couple of days now.





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Just wondering if anyone is having more than the usual problems with siri 
today?  I’ve asked siri to schedule a calendar appointment and she wants to 
show me something on the web about that.  I also asked her to send a text and 
she kept giving me the person’s phone number.  These are both new problems for 
me as of today.  Will also let apple accessibility know about these.

Just curious.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: siri craziness

[djrisavyjr]

Well the problems and or issues having on my iphone 14 pro with the latest iOS 
update and serie is that after ask it something and say anything in the 
background or noise comes up around when using it that info gets added to the 
request no matter if it’s a text, search etc.

Thanks.

 

 

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hoxha
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  _  

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I have been having problems with it for a couple of days now.





On Dec 5, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Paula Jordan mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

 

Just wondering if anyone is having more than the usual problems with siri 
today?  I’ve asked siri to schedule a calendar appointment and she wants to 
show me something on the web about that.  I also asked her to send a text and 
she kept giving me the person’s phone number.  These are both new problems for 
me as of today.  Will also let apple accessibility know about these.

Just curious.

God bless!

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Re: siri craziness

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I have been having problems with it for a couple of days now.

On Dec 5, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:



Just wondering if anyone is having more than the usual problems with siri 
today?  I’ve asked siri to schedule a calendar appointment and she wants to 
show me something on the web about that.  I also asked her to send a text and 
she kept giving me the person’s phone number.  These are both new problems for 
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Just curious.

God bless!

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Re: siri craziness

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I have been having problems with it for a couple of days now.On Dec 5, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:Just wondering if anyone is having more than the usual problems with siri today?  I’ve asked siri to schedule a calendar appointment and she wants to show me something on the web about that.  I also asked her to send a text and she kept giving me the person’s phone number.  These are both new problems for me as of today.  Will also let apple accessibility know about these.Just curious.God bless!Paula and the pups



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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Margaret Thomas]

Hi, Mike:

Thank you, but I updated several days ago and, back then, I remembered 
about restarting the phone when it acts weird and it didn't help.


Margaret


On 11/23/2023 6:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Margaret,
If you've just updated to iOS17... restarting the phone helped both my 
wife's and my and my phone after updating with the double tap functionality.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
- Original Message -
*From:* Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

Hi Margaret,

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the 
double tap time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to 
execute a double tap. The effect of this would require you to double tap 
faster in order for it to register.


Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch 
will be near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 
seconds and I executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which 
I like better since I don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play 
around with that setting to see if it helps you.


Good luck.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

 > On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas <mailto:avidrea...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

 >
 > Hi, Alan:
 >
 > Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices 
weren't there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 
item and I was double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem 
is still here and it might have been the problem earlier.  It took about 
a half dozen tries for the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the 
phone 2 years ago yesterday and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping 
the same as I always have and the phone has just gone nuts.

 >
 > Thanks ,
 >
 > Margaret
 >
 >
 >> On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
 >> Hi Margaret,
 >> Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting 
choices here are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
 >> I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier 
instructions you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X 
so I expect I made a pig's breakfast of them.
 >> I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings 
if you are having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly 
try changing the hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.

 >> Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
 >> Alan Lemly .
 >> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas 
mailto:avidrea...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

 >>>
 >>> Good Afternoon:
 >>>
 >>> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to 
work my way through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm 
having with the update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, 
but am having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after 
"Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by 
itself.  Right now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri 
by voice, Siri responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may 
have something to do with the new follow-up feature I think I heard about.

 >>>
 >>> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't 
want. I may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in 
the new info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with 
double tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double 
tapping thing first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri 
vs. Siri?

 >>>
 >>> Many thanks,
 >>>
 >>> Margaret
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>> On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
 >>>> James,
 >>>> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we 
can go to Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri 
instead of Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier 
versions of iOS.

 >>>> Alan Lemly
 >>>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley 
mailto:bentleyj1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 >>>>>
 >>>>> I love Hey Ciri. Not one single time in almost one year has any 
thing accidently triggered Ciri.

 >>>>>
 >>>>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a 
day.  I always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has 
never noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some 
podcast because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.

 >>>>>

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Margaret Thomas]

Hi, Alan:

Thank you.  Mine was set the same as yours and someone on another list 
with the same phone as mine made the same amount of change you did and 
got some improved results.  So, I did the same and incremented from .25 
to .3 and, so far, things are better.  I'll play with it more if need be.


Margaret


On 11/23/2023 5:43 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hi Margaret,

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the double tap 
time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to execute a double tap. 
The effect of this would require you to double tap faster in order for it to 
register.

Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch will be 
near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 seconds and I 
executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which I like better since I 
don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play around with that setting to see if 
it helps you.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:

Hi, Alan:

Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices weren't 
there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 item and I was 
double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem is still here and it 
might have been the problem earlier.  It took about a half dozen tries for the 
phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the phone 2 years ago yesterday and, 
as far as I know, I'm double tapping the same as I always have and the phone 
has just gone nuts.

Thanks ,

Margaret



On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
Hi Margaret,
Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices here 
are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier instructions 
you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so I expect I made 
a pig's breakfast of them.
I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you are 
having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try changing the 
hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.
Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
Alan Lemly .
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:


Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way through the 
changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the update.  I had Hey Siri 
on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I 
do after "Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by 
itself.  Right now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
follow-up feature I think I heard about.

The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I may 
have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info might 
make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping since the 
update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  Do I have to 
solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?

Many thanks,

Margaret



On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
James,
For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:


I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available 

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Mike B.]

Hi Margaret,

If you've just updated to iOS17... restarting the phone helped both my 
wife's and my and my phone after updating with the double tap functionality.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem


Hi Margaret,

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the double 
tap time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to execute a 
double tap. The effect of this would require you to double tap faster in 
order for it to register.

Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch will 
be near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 seconds and 
I executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which I like better 
since I don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play around with that 
setting to see if it helps you.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas  
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Alan:
>
> Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices weren't 
> there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 item and I 
> was double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem is still here 
> and it might have been the problem earlier.  It took about a half dozen 
> tries for the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the phone 2 years 
> ago yesterday and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping the same as I 
> always have and the phone has just gone nuts.
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>> On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> Hi Margaret,
>> Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices 
>> here are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
>> I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier 
>> instructions you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X 
>> so I expect I made a pig's breakfast of them.
>> I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if 
>> you are having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try 
>> changing the hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.
>> Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
>> Alan Lemly .
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Afternoon:
>>>
>>> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my 
>>> way through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having 
>>> with the update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am 
>>> having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for 
>>> and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right 
>>> now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
>>> responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something 
>>> to do with the new follow-up feature I think I heard about.
>>>
>>> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I 
>>> may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new 
>>> info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double 
>>> tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping 
>>> thing first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. 
>>> Siri?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>>> James,
>>>> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can 
>>>> go to Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri 
>>>> instead of Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier 
>>>> versions of iOS.
>>>> Alan Lemly
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any 
>>>>> thing accidently triggered Ciri.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day. 
>>>>> I always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>>>>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast 
>>>>> because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple has remove

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Margaret, 

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the double tap 
time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to execute a double tap. 
The effect of this would require you to double tap faster in order for it to 
register. 

Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch will be 
near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 seconds and I 
executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which I like better since I 
don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play around with that setting to see if 
it helps you. 

Good luck. 

Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Alan:
> 
> Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices weren't 
> there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 item and I was 
> double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem is still here and it 
> might have been the problem earlier.  It took about a half dozen tries for 
> the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the phone 2 years ago yesterday 
> and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping the same as I always have and the 
> phone has just gone nuts.
> 
> Thanks ,
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
>> On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> Hi Margaret,
>> Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices 
>> here are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
>> I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier 
>> instructions you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so 
>> I expect I made a pig's breakfast of them.
>> I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you 
>> are having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try 
>> changing the hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.
>> Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
>> Alan Lemly .
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good Afternoon:
>>> 
>>> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way 
>>> through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the 
>>> update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a 
>>> problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for and select 
>>> Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right now, when I 
>>> do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri responds with 
>>> Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
>>> follow-up feature I think I heard about.
>>> 
>>> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I 
>>> may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new 
>>> info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double 
>>> tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing 
>>> first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>>> James,
>>>> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go 
>>>> to Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead 
>>>> of Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
>>>> Alan Lemly
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
>>>>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
>>>>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>>>>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast 
>>>>> because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>>>>> version of IOS 17.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of 
>>>>> the worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Margaret Thomas]

Hi, Alan:

Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices 
weren't there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 
item and I was double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem 
is still here and it might have been the problem earlier.  It took about 
a half dozen tries for the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the 
phone 2 years ago yesterday and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping 
the same as I always have and the phone has just gone nuts.


Thanks ,

Margaret


On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hi Margaret,

Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices here 
are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off

I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier instructions 
you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so I expect I made 
a pig's breakfast of them.

I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you are 
having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try changing the 
hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.

Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.

Alan Lemly .
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:

Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way through the 
changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the update.  I had Hey Siri 
on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I 
do after "Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by 
itself.  Right now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
follow-up feature I think I heard about.

The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I may 
have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info might 
make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping since the 
update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  Do I have to 
solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?

Many thanks,

Margaret



On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
James,
For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:


I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for follow 
up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it cannot 
give a full answer if it hears anything.
Pretty pointless.
I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
even if it works.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 17.1. 
He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading back the 
information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like Siri has 
an open mic all the time. This behavior just st

RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Carolyn Arnold]

Siri will respond wither way - Hay Siri or Siri. 

I had that Apple Pay thing, just ended up calling Apple Accessibillity and got 
them to help me get it in just to get the thing off my back, which I do not 
intend to be using. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 1:53 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way 
through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the 
update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a problem 
with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for and select Hey Siri 
instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right now, when I do not press 
the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri responds with Hey Siri as well 
as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new follow-up feature I 
think I heard about.

The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. 
I may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info 
might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping since 
the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  Do I have 
to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?

Many thanks,

Margaret


On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
> James,
> 
> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
> Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
> and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
>>
>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>>
>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because 
>> she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>
>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>> version of IOS 17.
>>
>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
>> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> James B
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>
>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
>> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
>> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
>> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
>> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>>> Pretty pointless.
>>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, 
>>> then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around 
>>> at best even if it works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
>>> the Universe
>>>
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Lynn Schneider
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>>
>>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is 
>>> reading back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. 
>>> It is like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started 
>>> re

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Margaret,

Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices here 
are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off

I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier instructions 
you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so I expect I made 
a pig's breakfast of them. 

I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you are 
having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try changing the 
hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want. 

Good luck and happy Thanksgiving. 

Alan Lemly . 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon:
> 
> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way 
> through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the 
> update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a 
> problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for and select 
> Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right now, when I do 
> not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri responds with Hey 
> Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
> follow-up feature I think I heard about.
> 
> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I may 
> have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info 
> might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping 
> since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  
> Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> James,
>> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
>> Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of 
>> Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
>> Alan Lemly
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
>>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>>> 
>>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
>>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because 
>>> she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>> 
>>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>>> version of IOS 17.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
>>> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> James B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>> 
>>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
>>> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and 
>>> quit, because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free 
>>> Siri and just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used 
>>> hey Siri except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>>>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus 
>>>> it cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>>>> Pretty pointless.
>>>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>>>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, 
>>>> then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around 
>>>> at best even if it works.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard, USA.
>>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>>> 
>>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
&

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Margaret Thomas]

Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my 
way through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having 
with the update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am 
having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for 
and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right 
now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something 
to do with the new follow-up feature I think I heard about.


The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. 
I may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the 
new info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with 
double tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double 
tapping thing first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri 
vs. Siri?


Many thanks,

Margaret


On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

James,

For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:

I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for follow 
up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it cannot 
give a full answer if it hears anything.
Pretty pointless.
I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
even if it works.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 17.1. 
He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading back the 
information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like Siri has 
an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He thought that 
an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then went back to 
this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this problem would be 
much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Personally, I like just saying Siri.  Also, you can now issue multiple
commands to Siri, and she will respond.  Just remember to pause and
give her time to respond and you'll be good.

On 10/31/23, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have 17.1, and it seems fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of James Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>
> How are you getting along with 17?
>
> Thanks for your remarks.
>
> James B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
> Lemly
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>
> James,
>
> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to
> Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of
> Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
>
> Alan Lemly
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing
>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>>
>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I
>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never
>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast
>> because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>
>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any
>> version of IOS 17.
>>
>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the
>> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> James B
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>
>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your
>> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and
>> quit, because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free
>> Siri and just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used
>> hey Siri except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side
>> button.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for
>>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus
>>> it cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>>> Pretty pointless.
>>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says,
>>> then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around
>>> at best even if it works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
>>> Universe
>>>
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Lynn Schneider
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>>
>>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS
>>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is
>>> reading back the information, any little noise will stop her from
>>> reading. It is like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just
>>> started recently. He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well
>>> for about a day, but then went back to this problematic behavior. Any
>>> insights on how to solve this problem would be much appreciated. Thanks
>>> in advance.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have 17.1, and it seems fine. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

How are you getting along with 17?

Thanks for your remarks.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

James, 

For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS. 

Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
> 
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
> accidently triggered Ciri.
> 
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed. 
>  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she 
> thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
> 
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
> of IOS 17.
> 
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>> Pretty pointless.
>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
>> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
>> even if it works.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>> 
>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
>> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is 
>> like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. 
>> He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but 
>> then went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve 
>> this problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Alan Lemly]

Fine and dandy. 

Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 2:25 PM, James Bentley  wrote:
> 
> How are you getting along with 17?
> 
> Thanks for your remarks.
> 
> James B  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> James,
> 
> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
> Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
> and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
>> 
>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>> 
>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because 
>> she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>> 
>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>> version of IOS 17.
>> 
>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
>> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> James B  
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>> 
>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
>> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
>> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
>> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
>> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>>> Pretty pointless.
>>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, 
>>> then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around 
>>> at best even if it works.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
>>> Schneider
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>> 
>>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is 
>>> reading back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. 
>>> It is like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started 
>>> recently. He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about 
>>> a day, but then went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how 
>>> to solve this problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[James Bentley]

How are you getting along with 17?

Thanks for your remarks.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

James, 

For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS. 

Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
> 
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
> accidently triggered Ciri.
> 
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed. 
>  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she 
> thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
> 
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
> of IOS 17.
> 
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>> Pretty pointless.
>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
>> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
>> even if it works.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>> 
>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
>> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is 
>> like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. 
>> He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but 
>> then went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve 
>> this problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[James Bentley]

That's good to hear.

James B  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I find it interesting that so much misinformation accompanies each iOS release. 
Apple has not removed Hey Siri, you have the choice of using either, unless you 
go into the Siri settings and set it to just Hey Siri or turn it off 
completely. 
The statement at the end of the Siri setting says: iPhone will listen for 
“Siri” or “Hey Siri” at the beginning of requests. With certain headphones 
connected, “Hey Siri” is required.


Richard, USA 
——
"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:02 PM, James Bentley  wrote:
> 
> Well.  I sure hope that just saying Ciri works way to heck better than just 
> saying Alexa to my Echo devices.
> 
> And, of course, you are right about eventually being forced to update for 
> several different reasons.
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> If I had a Dollar for every time I heard that whatever new version of iOS 
> apple released is the worst version ever I could go on a nice holiday.
> Yes, you can now say just "Siri, what time is it" and it works fine. But 
> since I have been using iOS 17 which has been since the first public beta in 
> early July, Siri has never been triggered accidently.
> And as far as never updating to iOS 17, that is a completely irrelavent 
> statement because even if you never update to iOS 17, eventually you need a 
> new phone so unless you buy an Android phone, whenevber you get a new phone 
> you get whatever iOS version is then the current one, maybe iOS 18 or 19 or 
> if your current phone still hangs in there for 3 years maybe it will be iOS 
> 20 and I doubt Apple will necessarily see a reason to restrict Siri to "Hey 
> Siri" again.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
> Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 9:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
> accidently triggered Ciri.
> 
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed. 
>  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she 
> thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
> 
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
> of IOS 17.
> 
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>> Pretty pointless.
>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
>> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
>> even if it works.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Siri a

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Alan Lemly]

James, 

For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS. 

Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
> 
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
> accidently triggered Ciri.
> 
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed. 
>  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she 
> thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
> 
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
> of IOS 17.
> 
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>> Pretty pointless.
>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
>> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
>> even if it works.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>> 
>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
>> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is 
>> like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. 
>> He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but 
>> then went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve 
>> this problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Richard Turner]

I find it interesting that so much misinformation accompanies each iOS release. 
Apple has not removed Hey Siri, you have the choice of using either, unless you 
go into the Siri settings and set it to just Hey Siri or turn it off 
completely. 
The statement at the end of the Siri setting says: iPhone will listen for 
“Siri” or “Hey Siri” at the beginning of requests. With certain headphones 
connected, “Hey Siri” is required.


Richard, USA 
——
"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:02 PM, James Bentley  wrote:
> 
> Well.  I sure hope that just saying Ciri works way to heck better than just 
> saying Alexa to my Echo devices.
> 
> And, of course, you are right about eventually being forced to update for 
> several different reasons.
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> If I had a Dollar for every time I heard that whatever new version of iOS 
> apple released is the worst version ever I could go on a nice holiday.
> Yes, you can now say just "Siri, what time is it" and it works fine. But 
> since I have been using iOS 17 which has been since the first public beta in 
> early July, Siri has never been triggered accidently.
> And as far as never updating to iOS 17, that is a completely irrelavent 
> statement because even if you never update to iOS 17, eventually you need a 
> new phone so unless you buy an Android phone, whenevber you get a new phone 
> you get whatever iOS version is then the current one, maybe iOS 18 or 19 or 
> if your current phone still hangs in there for 3 years maybe it will be iOS 
> 20 and I doubt Apple will necessarily see a reason to restrict Siri to "Hey 
> Siri" again.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
> Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 9:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
> accidently triggered Ciri.
> 
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed. 
>  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she 
> thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
> 
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
> of IOS 17.
> 
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>> Pretty pointless.
>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
>> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
>> even if it works.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>> 
>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
>> back the information

RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[James Bentley]

Well.  I sure hope that just saying Ciri works way to heck better than just 
saying Alexa to my Echo devices.

And, of course, you are right about eventually being forced to update for 
several different reasons.

James B  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

If I had a Dollar for every time I heard that whatever new version of iOS apple 
released is the worst version ever I could go on a nice holiday.
Yes, you can now say just "Siri, what time is it" and it works fine. But since 
I have been using iOS 17 which has been since the first public beta in early 
July, Siri has never been triggered accidently.
And as far as never updating to iOS 17, that is a completely irrelavent 
statement because even if you never update to iOS 17, eventually you need a new 
phone so unless you buy an Android phone, whenevber you get a new phone you get 
whatever iOS version is then the current one, maybe iOS 18 or 19 or if your 
current phone still hangs in there for 3 years maybe it will be iOS 20 and I 
doubt Apple will necessarily see a reason to restrict Siri to "Hey Siri" again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 9:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
> Pretty pointless.
> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
> even if it works.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
> Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like 
> Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He 
> thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then 
> went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this 
> problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If I had a Dollar for every time I heard that whatever new version of iOS apple 
released is the worst version ever I could go on a nice holiday.
Yes, you can now say just "Siri, what time is it" and it works fine. But since 
I have been using iOS 17 which has been since the first public beta in early 
July, Siri has never been triggered accidently.
And as far as never updating to iOS 17, that is a completely irrelavent 
statement because even if you never update to iOS 17, eventually you need a new 
phone so unless you buy an Android phone, whenevber you get a new phone you get 
whatever iOS version is then the current one, maybe iOS 18 or 19 or if your 
current phone still hangs in there for 3 years maybe it will be iOS 20 and I 
doubt Apple will necessarily see a reason to restrict Siri to "Hey Siri" again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 9:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
> Pretty pointless.
> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
> even if it works.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
> Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like 
> Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He 
> thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then 
> went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this 
> problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[James Bentley]

I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
> Pretty pointless.
> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
> even if it works.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
> Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like 
> Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He 
> thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then 
> went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this 
> problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Mary Otten]

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
> Pretty pointless.
> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
> even if it works.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
> Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like 
> Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He 
> thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then 
> went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this 
> problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Richard Turner]

Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for follow 
up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it cannot 
give a full answer if it hears anything.
Pretty pointless.
I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
even if it works.




Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 17.1. 
He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading back the 
information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like Siri has 
an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He thought that 
an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then went back to 
this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this problem would be 
much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I get this as well at times, but for the nmost part there does seem to be some 
sort of learning/memory going on if I call somebody and have to specify which 
phone, often the next time it will default to that.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It doesn't matter if it has been reported, if you have this issue you should 
report it because if only 1 person reports it Apple will probably pay little 
attention to it. If 100 people report it maybe it gets higher priority.
This does happen for me at times or at least it used to, now not so much any 
more, but usually if you wait it will restart after it beeps, at least for me 
it usually does. Actually in the beginning it would sometiems just say "You 
said" and then it would beep, but then it would go again if I didn't touch the 
screen and the second time around  it would usually read the entire message and 
then ask if I wanted to send it.
As a final thought, any time I have to send a slightly longer message or one 
which I know will contain words or names Siri is likely to get wrong and where 
I have to edit them, I usually open Messages or Mail or whatever app and use 
dictation because I can then dictate in smaller portions of text and I find it 
is a lot quicker to edit something.

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I hate it when siri doesn't finish confirmation of messages I send to people, 
it beeps prior and cuts itself off midsentence so I feel I have to manually 
send it either using dictation or braille screen input. It’s been doing that 
ever since I upgraded to iOS 17 and I have iOS 17.1 now. Any Anybody having 
this issue where Siri cuts itself off? Are there any solutions around it? Has 
Has this bug been reported to Apple?
Sent from my iPhone

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> Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, 
> Las Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Dave Grossoehme]

I've had Alexa start telling me about something that we are talking 
about, when she hasn't even spoken to.  Her name was not referenced in 
anyway.  I've also had the Googgle Pod start copying me or start singing 
a song on the spoken subject.  In which case that is worse than the 
dumbest of Seri.


Dave


On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set up called 
"Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start Carol's timer," 
and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which is what we 
get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean Artificial!


  




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Shawnese (LEO)
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I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I learned 
to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders and so on. 
Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add 
all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only time I ever use 
Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri 
never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Evan Reese]

Actually, I don't use Siri for opening apps either. I just tried it 
yesterday for the first time after reading some of the posts here about 
people having problems and it worked fine.


Evan


On 10/27/2023 12:21 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:

I only use Siri to make phone calls and occasionally ask for the time
and weather.  Siri is working fine for me.  I never use her to open
apps.  I never saw the point when I can just go to the app I want and
open it.  I only have 3 pages of apps so it isn't that many to go
through.

On 10/27/23, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my
wife who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my
request and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile
which is definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots
of other examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be
necessary at all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while,
you get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an
app is in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If
Siri worked like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it
to open apps. But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and
give the precise name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this
one that one or another one, all in the same general app category. This
after I’ve stated something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the
so-called upgrade to 17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t
that much to regress from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple.
Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I
find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as
opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the
iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category
into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,
text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts
list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the
addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her
call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of
the others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber
than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app
Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask
that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying
Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I
find it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind
the eight ball here.  My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the
much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind
the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together
Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I only use Siri to make phone calls and occasionally ask for the time
and weather.  Siri is working fine for me.  I never use her to open
apps.  I never saw the point when I can just go to the app I want and
open it.  I only have 3 pages of apps so it isn't that many to go
through.

On 10/27/23, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse
> instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my
> wife who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my
> request and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile
> which is definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots
> of other examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be
> necessary at all.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
> rick.alf...@gmail.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>
> I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while,
> you get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an
> app is in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If
> Siri worked like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it
> to open apps. But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and
> give the precise name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this
> one that one or another one, all in the same general app category. This
> after I’ve stated something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the
> so-called upgrade to 17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t
> that much to regress from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple.
> Get it together on Siri.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I
>> find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as
>> opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the
>> iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category
>> into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,
>> text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts
>> list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the
>> addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her
>> call (998) 555-.
>> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Mary,
>>>
>>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>>
>>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in
>>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of
>>> the others.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language
>>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber
>>> than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app
>>> Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask
>>> that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying
>>> Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I
>>> find it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind
>>> the eight ball here.  My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the
>>> much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind
>>> the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together
>>> Apple.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Evan Reese]

Now that's weird because I told her to open TuneIn yesterday twice, and 
she opened it without saying anything.


Also, I have told her to call a couple of numbers in my Contacts and she 
said that she was calling them, although her inflection does sound 
different in 17.1. But for the things I use her for, she's working here 
the same as before the update.


Evan

On 10/27/2023 9:25 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I learned 
to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders and so on. 
Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add 
all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only time I ever use 
Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri 
never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Richard Turner]

Actually, for the most part, I don't have issues with Siri.  I think the fact 
that the time it takes to get Siri's attention has increased a little.
If you use the side button or home button to get Siri, you have to keep it held 
in/down for a bit longer than before.
If you are using Siri or Hey Siri under 17, I've started just saying Siri and 
waiting for Siri to respond before making my request.  That way I know it is 
listening.




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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mike Arrigo]

I’m glad the Iphone I have still uses a physical sim card so I can easily 
switch between my Iphone SE and my Pixel 7, I do think Apple removed the 
physical sim tray too soon, currently there is no easy way to transfer your 
ESIM between an Iphone and Android without contacting the carrier. For most 
things both platforms are equal and the accessibility of Android has definitely 
come full circle. It’s good that we have the same choice as sighted people and 
that both platforms are accessible out of the box.

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 1:27 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I agree entirely about how ridiculously limited Siri can be, but if you are 
> using an iPhone you take the bad with the good and that is no didfferent if 
> you have an Android phone. It' sup to you which platform has more good and 
> less bad.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
> so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
> You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
> when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, 
> that just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or 
> YouTube or Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu 
> or YouTube. This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be 
> smart enough to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on 
> your phone. Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mike Arrigo]

Out of the three major assistants, siri, google assistant and Alexa, siri is by 
far the most behind, both on a phone and on smart speakers. I still have my 
Iphone SE third edition and might go back to it but for the last month I’ve 
been using my Google Pixel 7 and the Google Assistant blows siri away, the 
assistance voice typing feature on the Pixel is also amazing.

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple. 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I am cracking up, Sieghard, about your devices and far away ones responding. 

Today, I Facetime called my daughter-in-law to show her my haircut. When I got 
off, I told my son, as we drove down the highway that Jim's daughter said I 
could call her Facetime, all I had to do was say, Siri, call Beth. The next 
thing I knew we could hear my phone ringing in my purse. My son, said it did. I 
hung it up, but Jim's daughter called. I told her what happened, and we got a 
laugh out of it. At least, we know that works, only I didn't say Call Beth 
Facetime, but I did say call Beth, and it did. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

And for us with both Alexa and google smart speakers in the house, it's amazing 
how I am sometimes in the kitchen where we have one of the Google speakers with 
a display and I am 5 feet away from it and speak in the direction of the 
speaker and I ask something and next thing the Nest Mini in the living room 
replies even though it's 15 feet away and completely around a corner and wall, 
same happens sometimes with Alexa, we have an Echo Dot 4th gen in the bedroom 
and may say something and instead I hear the Sonos One speakers in the bathroom 
reply and that has happened with the bathroom door closed.
I recently read on a Sonos Facebook gtroup that adding Alexa to Sonos makes it 
less reliable, not sure if that really is so, but maybe it is.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contac

Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[CHELA Robles]

I hate it when siri doesn't finish confirmation of messages I send to people, 
it beeps prior and cuts itself off midsentence so I feel I have to manually 
send it either using dictation or braille screen input. It’s been doing that 
ever since I upgraded to iOS 17 and I have iOS 17.1 now. Any Anybody having 
this issue where Siri cuts itself off? Are there any solutions around it? Has 
Has this bug been reported to Apple?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 11:36 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, 
> Las Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
> "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."
> Elbert Hubbard
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[leobado1982]

Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, Las 
Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!

Best,
 Leo Bado

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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

This happens to us a lot where you think the closest device will respond but it 
is the one furtherst away. Just glad that one of them is responding LOL. I just 
understand that with technology as a lot of other things, that nothing is 
perfect and at times there are going to be glitches.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
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And for us with both Alexa and google smart speakers in the house, it's amazing 
how I am sometimes in the kitchen where we have one of the Google speakers with 
a display and I am 5 feet away from it and speak in the direction of the 
speaker and I ask something and next thing the Nest Mini in the living room 
replies even though it's 15 feet away and completely around a corner and wall, 
same happens sometimes with Alexa, we have an Echo Dot 4th gen in the bedroom 
and may say something and instead I hear the Sonos One speakers in the bathroom 
reply and that has happened with the bathroom door closed.
I recently read on a Sonos Facebook gtroup that adding Alexa to Sonos makes it 
less reliable, not sure if that really is so, but maybe it is.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!






Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And for us with both Alexa and google smart speakers in the house, it's amazing 
how I am sometimes in the kitchen where we have one of the Google speakers with 
a display and I am 5 feet away from it and speak in the direction of the 
speaker and I ask something and next thing the Nest Mini in the living room 
replies even though it's 15 feet away and completely around a corner and wall, 
same happens sometimes with Alexa, we have an Echo Dot 4th gen in the bedroom 
and may say something and instead I hear the Sonos One speakers in the bathroom 
reply and that has happened with the bathroom door closed.
I recently read on a Sonos Facebook gtroup that adding Alexa to Sonos makes it 
less reliable, not sure if that really is so, but maybe it is.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

Since I doubt anybody at Apple who has anything at all to say is monitoring 
this list, complaining here does exactly 0 good whereas providing feedback in 
the long run may actually have an effect. Having said this, I use Siri to open 
apps as well and for some reason with my iPhone 13 Pro which also has iOS 17.1 
opening apps is not an issue. I just ttried 5 different apps one after another 
and each app opened quickly and without fail.
The ones I tried were the following along with what I said:

Watch app - open watch
Mail - open Mail
Sonos - open Sonos
Audible - open Audible
Facebook - open Facebook
RBC Royal Bank - open RBC
Smart HQ - open Smart HQ (for my GE induction range)
AS Home - open American Standard, this one can seem to not work because 
Voiceover calls the app "AS Home" but if you say "open AS Home" it either opens 
the Apple Home app 
or it wil say that it doesn't seem you have an app called "AS Home". But that 
is not Siri's fault if the Voiceover label reads one thing, but internally it's 
called something else.

By the way, are you using just your iPhone or do you have a headset connected 
when you make the request? Also, do you make sure to give it that extra second 
or so Siri seems to need these days to properly listen? I find the odd time 
something didn't work is when I spoke too quickly and Siri only caught part of 
what I said. For example, one situation where this easily happens is when I 
ask, for example, "Call John Smith". At times Siri will say something like 
"What would you like to know about John Smith" and that is entirely because all 
Siri heard was "John Smith" and the "Call" was spoken before Siri listened. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Corey Cook]

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to 
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Richard Turner]

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to 
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
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> For a nation to admit it has done grievous wrongs and will strive to 
> correct them for the betterment of all is no vice; For a nation to claim it 
> has always been great, needs no improvement  and to cling to its past 
> achievements is no virtue!
&g

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
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[Mary Otten]

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree entirely about how ridiculously limited Siri can be, but if you are 
using an iPhone you take the bad with the good and that is no didfferent if you 
have an Android phone. It' sup to you which platform has more good and less bad.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, that 
just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or YouTube or 
Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu or YouTube. 
This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be smart enough 
to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on your phone. 
Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
> 
> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
> 
> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I 
find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as 
opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the 
iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category 
into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in 
e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the 
contacts list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is 
if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I 
ask her call (998) 555-.

I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.


On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
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On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:29:11 AM UTC+5 Mary Otten wrote:

> Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
> so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for 
> sports. You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so 
> much. But when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big 
> fat hassle, that just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you 
> want Hulu or YouTube or Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say 
> anything about Hulu or YouTube. This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant 
> on a phone should be smart enough to know when you’re asking it to open an 
> app that you have on your phone. Samsung phones have no problem with this. 
> It’s just ridiculous. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > 
> > Mary,
> > 
> > You've got me smiling. Thank you.
> > 
> > I have to admit, I agree with you. 
> > 
> > I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri. It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> > To: via VIPhone 
> > Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> > 
> > I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the 
> language rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even 
> dumber than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app 
> Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask 
> that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying 
> Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find 
> it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight 
> ball here. My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned 
> Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and 
> this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mary Otten]

Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, that 
just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or YouTube or 
Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu or YouTube. 
This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be smart enough 
to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on your phone. 
Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
> 
> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
> 
> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[M. Taylor]

Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.  

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple. 
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RE: Siri volume very low when wearing airPods

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Siri has separate volume for speaker and headset, just ask Siri something which 
results in a longer answer and once Siri is speaking raise the volume on your 
headset and Siri should become louder.

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Gardner
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2023 12:32 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Siri volume very low when wearing airPods

Hi,

I've had this problem for quite a while now. When I'm listening to some media 
through my airPods and a text comes in I can hardly hear siri when he reads the 
text. The media volume is normal and when the airPods are disconnected siri's 
volume is also normal. Has anyone seen this?

I feel like it started the iOS16 cycle but I can't be sure exactly when. More 
importantly, is there a fix?

Thanks

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Re: Siri volume very low when wearing airPods

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I did that once when the volume of Siri was very low on my bluetooth
headset.  It fixed the problem with no issues.

On 9/8/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi Kimberly,
>
> I would suggest engaging Siri while you are wearing AirPods, such as asking
> for a weather forecast, and turning up the volume while Siri is speaking. I
> hope that will fix the problem.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Kimberly Gardner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've had this problem for quite a while now. When I'm listening to
>> some media through my airPods and a text comes in I can hardly hear
>> siri when he reads the text. The media volume is normal and when the
>> airPods are disconnected siri's volume is also normal. Has anyone seen
>> this?
>>
>> I feel like it started the iOS16 cycle but I can't be sure exactly
>> when. More importantly, is there a fix?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: Siri volume very low when wearing airPods

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Kimberly,

I would suggest engaging Siri while you are wearing AirPods, such as asking for 
a weather forecast, and turning up the volume while Siri is speaking. I hope 
that will fix the problem.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 8, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Kimberly Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've had this problem for quite a while now. When I'm listening to
> some media through my airPods and a text comes in I can hardly hear
> siri when he reads the text. The media volume is normal and when the
> airPods are disconnected siri's volume is also normal. Has anyone seen
> this?
> 
> I feel like it started the iOS16 cycle but I can't be sure exactly
> when. More importantly, is there a fix?
> 
> Thanks
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RE: siri sucks.

[James Bentley]

Ciri understands the command, "new line"

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marda
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 6:46 AM
To: dudleym via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: siri sucks.

I use dictation within apps sometimes.  But that involves getting into 
the app and it's way easier sometimes just to invoke siri and go.

Marda

On 8/29/2023 4:34 AM, dudleym via VIPhone wrote:
>
> Why use siri?
> When I'm dictateing or replying to messages I focus into the text box 
> and two finger double tap to start dictation, and two finger double 
> tap to stop dictation. Works a treat for me. and you can say commands 
> that I don't think siri understands such as n'new line' 'space' etc 
> the last time i tried these with siri then siri put the commands into 
> the text as words
>
> Martin
> Jenny Bomareto recently said:-
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use 
>> siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in 
>> their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either. This is 
>> getting very irritating.
>>
>> TIA in advance for your help.
>>
>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>> Jenny Bomareto
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: siri sucks.

[Dennis Long]

Normally it is $350.  However a few months ago it was on sale for $200.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 2:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: siri sucks.

What does this Hable 1 cost not that I want to use a braille keyboard and in 
many situations I couldn't even if I wanted to because of hand injuries, but if 
I remembe rcorrectly it is a pretty expensive device and if I have to spend 
half as much as my iPhone costs just so I can use it effectively then to me 
that is not attractive.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: siri sucks.

The Hable one is the best braille  keyboard around 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri sucks.

One option is to not use dictation at all, and if you know braille, to get a 
hable one bluetooth keyboard.  Another bluetooth qwerty keyboard would work as 
well.

On 8/28/23, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I have found that most of the time, Siri dictation is really pretty 
> accurate, more on the phone than on the watch. I’m using an older 
> phone, a
> 10 r. My problem with Siri isn’t trying to get it to do simple things 
> like open apps etc. It simply doesn’t hear what I say and comes back 
> with really strange stuff a lot of the time. The only thing it never 
> screws up is Open the app store. I wonder why that might be. Smile.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Siri dictation has always been doing this although it does seem to be 
>> somewhat  more accurate in iOS 17.
>>
>> One thing Siri never seems to get right is the difference between "Flour"
>> and "flower", I can dicate "Pleas also bring me 2 Kg of spelt flour" 
>> and it will always put "Please bring me 2 Kg of spelt flower".
>>
>> English of course is also a ridiculously difficult language when it 
>> comes to stuff like that, I find dictation in German is almost always 
>> 100% accurate because there aren't so many words which sound the same 
>> but are totally different. As for the above example, "flower" in German is 
>> "Blume"
>> and "flour" is "Mehl", no chance to get that wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 11:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: siri sucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> When i use dictation, sometimes the wrong word is entered, but 
>> certainly not the majority of the time.
>>
>> I try to 1: be in a quiet environment, 2: speak a little more slowly 
>> than I would ordinarily speak, 3: speak clearly, 4: Go over several 
>> times what I want to say in my head before dictating.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>>
>> ——
>>
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley
>>
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Jenny Bomareto 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use 
>>> siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in 
>>> their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either.  This is 
>>> getting very irritating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA in advance for your help.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>>> Jenny Bomareto
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: siri sucks.

[Dennis Long]

A few months back Hable was on sale from the Hable website I'll keep the list 
posted if it goes back on sale.  In June or May I can't remember which it was 
$200 on sale.  So that is worth watching out for.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 2:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri sucks.

If you can't type braille, that is a good reason why the Hable wouldn't be for 
you.  The cost of the Hable is $350.  It is expensive, but very worth it.  You 
can do so much more with it, then just type text messages.  I don't even have 
to be touching my phone, and I can use the hable to control all aspects of my 
phone.

On 8/29/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> What does this Hable 1 cost not that I want to use a braille keyboard 
> and in many situations I couldn't even if I wanted to because of hand 
> injuries, but if I remembe rcorrectly it is a pretty expensive device 
> and if I have to spend half as much as my iPhone costs just so I can 
> use it effectively then to me that is not attractive.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 6:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: siri sucks.
>
> The Hable one is the best braille  keyboard around
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 5:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: siri sucks.
>
> One option is to not use dictation at all, and if you know braille, to 
> get a hable one bluetooth keyboard.  Another bluetooth qwerty keyboard 
> would work as well.
>
> On 8/28/23, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I have found that most of the time, Siri dictation is really pretty 
>> accurate, more on the phone than on the watch. I’m using an older 
>> phone, a
>> 10 r. My problem with Siri isn’t trying to get it to do simple things 
>> like open apps etc. It simply doesn’t hear what I say and comes back 
>> with really strange stuff a lot of the time. The only thing it never 
>> screws up is Open the app store. I wonder why that might be. Smile.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Siri dictation has always been doing this although it does seem to 
>>> be somewhat  more accurate in iOS 17.
>>>
>>> One thing Siri never seems to get right is the difference between 
>>> "Flour"
>>> and "flower", I can dicate "Pleas also bring me 2 Kg of spelt flour"
>>> and it will always put "Please bring me 2 Kg of spelt flower".
>>>
>>> English of course is also a ridiculously difficult language when it 
>>> comes to stuff like that, I find dictation in German is almost 
>>> always 100% accurate because there aren't so many words which sound 
>>> the same but are totally different. As for the above example, 
>>> "flower" in German is "Blume"
>>> and "flour" is "Mehl", no chance to get that wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 11:36 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: siri sucks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When i use dictation, sometimes the wrong word is entered, but 
>>> certainly not the majority of the time.
>>>
>>> I try to 1: be in a quiet environment, 2: speak a little more slowly 
>>> than I would ordinarily speak, 3: speak clearly, 4: Go over several 
>>> times what I want to say in my head before dictating.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, USA
>>>
>>> ——
>>>
>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>>> Wesley
>>>
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Jenny Bomareto 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use 
>>>> siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in 
>>>> their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either.  This is 
>>>> getting very irritating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TIA in

RE: siri sucks.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I agree with that, Sieghard. The only way I'd get a keyboard would be for at 
home calling the bank or other offices requiring a lot of dialing dialog. We 
have a landline with Internet, so right now, I'm just using that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 2:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: siri sucks.

A keyboard maybe fine if you are at home a lot, but I use my phone a lot when I 
am out and about, I may need to send or reply to a text while I am walking with 
my dog and in those situations a keyboard just is not a solution. I also feel 
that a powerful and small device such as an iPhone should not require me to lug 
along all sorts of other expensive gear to use it efficiently. Anyways, 
dictation for the most part works well enough especially if you are a bit 
practiced in it and by that I mean exactly what Richard said, makek sure you 
know what you want to say before you just start and then you end up with 
strange sentence structure, little or no punctuation and so on.Being blind is 
no excuse for not using proper capitalization, punctuation, grammar and 
spelling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri sucks.

One option is to not use dictation at all, and if you know braille, to get a 
hable one bluetooth keyboard.  Another bluetooth qwerty keyboard would work as 
well.

On 8/28/23, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I have found that most of the time, Siri dictation is really pretty 
> accurate, more on the phone than on the watch. I’m using an older 
> phone, a
> 10 r. My problem with Siri isn’t trying to get it to do simple things 
> like open apps etc. It simply doesn’t hear what I say and comes back 
> with really strange stuff a lot of the time. The only thing it never 
> screws up is Open the app store. I wonder why that might be. Smile.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Siri dictation has always been doing this although it does seem to be 
>> somewhat  more accurate in iOS 17.
>>
>> One thing Siri never seems to get right is the difference between "Flour"
>> and "flower", I can dicate "Pleas also bring me 2 Kg of spelt flour" 
>> and it will always put "Please bring me 2 Kg of spelt flower".
>>
>> English of course is also a ridiculously difficult language when it 
>> comes to stuff like that, I find dictation in German is almost always 
>> 100% accurate because there aren't so many words which sound the same 
>> but are totally different. As for the above example, "flower" in German is 
>> "Blume"
>> and "flour" is "Mehl", no chance to get that wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 11:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: siri sucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> When i use dictation, sometimes the wrong word is entered, but 
>> certainly not the majority of the time.
>>
>> I try to 1: be in a quiet environment, 2: speak a little more slowly 
>> than I would ordinarily speak, 3: speak clearly, 4: Go over several 
>> times what I want to say in my head before dictating.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>>
>> ——
>>
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley
>>
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Jenny Bomareto 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use 
>>> siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in 
>>> their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either.  This is 
>>> getting very irritating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA in advance for your help.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>>> Jenny Bomareto
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: siri sucks.

[Marda]

I use dictation within apps sometimes.  But that involves getting into 
the app and it's way easier sometimes just to invoke siri and go.


Marda

On 8/29/2023 4:34 AM, dudleym via VIPhone wrote:


Why use siri?
When I'm dictateing or replying to messages I focus into the text box 
and two finger double tap to start dictation, and two finger double 
tap to stop dictation. Works a treat for me. and you can say commands 
that I don't think siri understands such as n'new line' 'space' etc 
the last time i tried these with siri then siri put the commands into 
the text as words


Martin
Jenny Bomareto recently said:-


Hello all,

Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use 
siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in 
their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either. This is 
getting very irritating.


TIA in advance for your help.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: siri sucks.

[Mich Verrier]

It costs 341 from Mich

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2023, at 2:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What does this Hable 1 cost not that I want to use a braille keyboard and in 
> many situations I couldn't even if I wanted to because of hand injuries, but 
> if I remembe rcorrectly it is a pretty expensive device and if I have to 
> spend half as much as my iPhone costs just so I can use it effectively then 
> to me that is not attractive.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 6:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: siri sucks.
> 
> The Hable one is the best braille  keyboard around 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 5:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: siri sucks.
> 
> One option is to not use dictation at all, and if you know braille, to get a 
> hable one bluetooth keyboard.  Another bluetooth qwerty keyboard would work 
> as well.
> 
>> On 8/28/23, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I have found that most of the time, Siri dictation is really pretty 
>> accurate, more on the phone than on the watch. I’m using an older 
>> phone, a
>> 10 r. My problem with Siri isn’t trying to get it to do simple things 
>> like open apps etc. It simply doesn’t hear what I say and comes back 
>> with really strange stuff a lot of the time. The only thing it never 
>> screws up is Open the app store. I wonder why that might be. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Siri dictation has always been doing this although it does seem to be 
>>> somewhat  more accurate in iOS 17.
>>> 
>>> One thing Siri never seems to get right is the difference between "Flour"
>>> and "flower", I can dicate "Pleas also bring me 2 Kg of spelt flour" 
>>> and it will always put "Please bring me 2 Kg of spelt flower".
>>> 
>>> English of course is also a ridiculously difficult language when it 
>>> comes to stuff like that, I find dictation in German is almost always 
>>> 100% accurate because there aren't so many words which sound the same 
>>> but are totally different. As for the above example, "flower" in German is 
>>> "Blume"
>>> and "flour" is "Mehl", no chance to get that wrong.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 11:36 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: siri sucks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When i use dictation, sometimes the wrong word is entered, but 
>>> certainly not the majority of the time.
>>> 
>>> I try to 1: be in a quiet environment, 2: speak a little more slowly 
>>> than I would ordinarily speak, 3: speak clearly, 4: Go over several 
>>> times what I want to say in my head before dictating.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> 
>>> ——
>>> 
>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>>> Wesley
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Jenny Bomareto 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use 
>>>> siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in 
>>>> their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either.  This is 
>>>> getting very irritating.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> TIA in advance for your help.
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>>>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>>>> Jenny Bomareto
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