RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I hope I can get it done when I have some free time and can concentrate. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you don't have answers to. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions LOL, isn't it fun? Not!. I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6 since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the return key which does not help me at all. Since the storm last night kept me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers, so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and get it input correctly. I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a choice for that under the Handoff settings. Since I am upset about my cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it anyway I could be missing things. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo. I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning ability is limited, KNFB you really may have to cooperate and help me out here. Now I am off to reread Jonathan's book again. Oh, my cousin put my speaker on something and I can't find it, and she can't find her android tablet, and I looked all the places she was and I can't find it either, but then, I am
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Link came back with 403, page not found. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions As far as resetting the password for an Apple Id, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple had something in place for situations like this where somebody passes away and a spouse needs to get access. I would call Apple and ask. A quick Google search yielded this article: http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/apple/access-itunes-account-music-apps-afte r-death-3507255/ Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you don't have answers to. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions LOL, isn't it fun? Not!. I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6 since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the return key which does not help me at all. Since the storm last night kept me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers, so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and get it input correctly. I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a choice for that under the Handoff settings. Since I am upset about my cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it anyway I could be missing things. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Rose, OK, this was a pretty long link and it wrapped. I shortened it so try this link to get to the article: http://tinyurl.com/pgeahph Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 6:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Link came back with 403, page not found. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions As far as resetting the password for an Apple Id, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple had something in place for situations like this where somebody passes away and a spouse needs to get access. I would call Apple and ask. A quick Google search yielded this article: http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/apple/access-itunes-account-music-apps-afte r-death-3507255/ Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you don't have answers to. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions LOL, isn't it fun? Not!. I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6 since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the return key which does not help me at all. Since the storm last night kept me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers, so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and get it input correctly. I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a choice for that under the Handoff settings. Since I am upset about my cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it anyway I could be missing things. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you don't have answers to. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions LOL, isn't it fun? Not!. I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6 since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the return key which does not help me at all. Since the storm last night kept me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers, so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and get it input correctly. I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a choice for that under the Handoff settings. Since I am upset about my cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it anyway I could be missing things. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo. I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning ability is limited, KNFB you really may have to cooperate and help me out here. Now I am off to reread Jonathan's book again. Oh, my cousin put my speaker on something and I can't find it, and she can't find her android tablet, and I looked all the places she was and I can't find it either, but then, I am not the best at finding lost items any longer, I can hold it in my and it would seem lost to me. Can't turn the speakers on because they have to be on for the phone to sync up to them. Man I miss Tom, sick or not his eyes worked to help me out occasionally. I miss him for other reasons also. I found the speaker but I don't see her tablet
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
As far as resetting the password for an Apple Id, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple had something in place for situations like this where somebody passes away and a spouse needs to get access. I would call Apple and ask. A quick Google search yielded this article: http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/apple/access-itunes-account-music-apps-afte r-death-3507255/ Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you don't have answers to. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions LOL, isn't it fun? Not!. I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6 since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the return key which does not help me at all. Since the storm last night kept me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers, so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and get it input correctly. I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a choice for that under the Handoff settings. Since I am upset about my cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it anyway I could be missing things. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo. I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning ability
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo. I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning ability is limited, KNFB you really may have to cooperate and help me out here. Now I am off to reread Jonathan's book again. Oh, my cousin put my speaker on something and I can't find it, and she can't find her android tablet, and I looked all the places she was and I can't find it either, but then, I am not the best at finding lost items any longer, I can hold it in my and it would seem lost to me. Can't turn the speakers on because they have to be on for the phone to sync up to them. Man I miss Tom, sick or not his eyes worked to help me out occasionally. I miss him for other reasons also. I found the speaker but I don't see her tablet anywhere. I hope it is here. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Yes, well, I had to play a lot also to get the oven temperature but it was better than not knowing, since in the past I either undercooked something or burnt it. Took me about 5 minutes to get what I wanted, or maybe not, it seemed that way anyway. If all goes well going to get the 6 today after using the 4S or 4 forever it will feel strange at first, I know it took me a minute to adjust to using my late husband's 5 when he could not seem to concentrate to get what he wanted. Then of course he moved stuff all around so finding what I needed was a problem, usually once I was holding it for a minute or two my finger memory adjusted to the very slightly larger screen. I don't do as much flicking as some do partly because under many circumstances I just know where a finger should go with the things I use on a daily basis. I did my backup just a few minutes ago, encrypted, made sure all purchases were transferred so I am as ready to do this as one can be. Have to make sure the5 is in my purse before I leave for appointment at the bank. Something to be maybe slightly excited about for an hour or two. -Original Message- From: viphone
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Sent from my iPhone Rose Combs On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:18 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they canyeah I thought about the the previously downloaded just after I wrote my note I also thought about my husband's password late husband's password and he I don't have access to his email so I probably couldn't do that either one I'm gonna do about it I guess it's just a little brick -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
LOL, isn't it fun? Not!. I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6 since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the return key which does not help me at all. Since the storm last night kept me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers, so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and get it input correctly. I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a choice for that under the Handoff settings. Since I am upset about my cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it anyway I could be missing things. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi rose, If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where you can find past books and add them to your wish list. I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering and changing passwords for the last three hours. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo. I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning ability is limited, KNFB you really may have to cooperate and help me out here. Now I am off to reread Jonathan's book again. Oh, my cousin put my speaker on something and I can't find it, and she can't find her android tablet, and I looked all the places she was and I can't find it either, but then, I am not the best at finding lost items any longer, I can hold it in my and it would seem lost to me. Can't turn the speakers on because they have to be on for the phone to sync up to them. Man I miss Tom, sick or not his eyes worked to help me out occasionally. I miss him for other reasons also. I found the speaker but I don't see her tablet anywhere. I hope it is here. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Yes, well, I had to play a lot also to get the oven
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Yes, well, I had to play a lot also to get the oven temperature but it was better than not knowing, since in the past I either undercooked something or burnt it. Took me about 5 minutes to get what I wanted, or maybe not, it seemed that way anyway. If all goes well going to get the 6 today after using the 4S or 4 forever it will feel strange at first, I know it took me a minute to adjust to using my late husband's 5 when he could not seem to concentrate to get what he wanted. Then of course he moved stuff all around so finding what I needed was a problem, usually once I was holding it for a minute or two my finger memory adjusted to the very slightly larger screen. I don't do as much flicking as some do partly because under many circumstances I just know where a finger should go with the things I use on a daily basis. I did my backup just a few minutes ago, encrypted, made sure all purchases were transferred so I am as ready to do this as one can be. Have to make sure the5 is in my purse before I leave for appointment at the bank. Something to be maybe slightly excited about for an hour or two. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I have the new style washer and dryers with the digital readouts that show how much time remains on the washer or the dryer. Talking Goggles reads that for me but you have to play with it. I seem to get everything else other then what I want. I found it can even read the print labels such as heavy, or delicate. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I will and I have the money, it will be done before I discuss remodeling the kitchen, or moving again. BTW, I used Talking Goggles to assure myself that my oven was set where I wanted it, it took a bit to get the result but much better than guessing and getting it wrong. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group
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Why not? It is not officially supported, but I was able to read a discription of a french product. It does not support my language yet. Yes, maybe it is not working as well and fast as on newer devices, but at least it is working. Unfortunately I was not been able to read a computer screen. Negoslav - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: Viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:08 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions No. On 18 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Well, I went for it big time. When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6 left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64 and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me. Then I was offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one was Bose Bluetooth speakers. In addition the man told us the android tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted one for a while got it set up for her. I came home, had a difficult time finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so. Finally got iTunes up restored all my apps. Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had planned to read. I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet. Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to change it. Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not match. I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what it is. My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request no less) when he was sleeping. The upshot is it is a brick to me, they can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them. I suppose I could use his apple ID. Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo. I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning ability is limited, KNFB you really may have to cooperate and help me out here. Now I am off to reread Jonathan's book again. Oh, my cousin put my speaker on something and I can't find it, and she can't find her android tablet, and I looked all the places she was and I can't find it either, but then, I am not the best at finding lost items any longer, I can hold it in my and it would seem lost to me. Can't turn the speakers on because they have to be on for the phone to sync up to them. Man I miss Tom, sick or not his eyes worked to help me out occasionally. I miss him for other reasons also. I found the speaker but I don't see her tablet anywhere. I hope it is here. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Yes, well, I had to play a lot also to get the oven temperature but it was better than not knowing, since in the past I either undercooked something or burnt it. Took me about 5 minutes to get what I wanted, or maybe not, it seemed that way anyway. If all goes well going to get the 6 today after using the 4S or 4 forever it will feel strange at first, I know it took me a minute to adjust to using my late husband's 5 when he could not seem to concentrate to get what he wanted. Then of course he moved stuff all around so finding what I needed was a problem, usually once I was holding it for a minute or two my finger memory adjusted to the very slightly larger screen. I don't do as much flicking as some do partly because under many circumstances I just know where a finger should go with the things I use on a daily basis. I did my backup just a few minutes ago, encrypted, made sure all purchases were transferred so I am as ready to do this as one can be. Have to make sure the5 is in my purse before I leave for appointment at the bank. Something to be maybe slightly excited about for an hour or two. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I have the new style washer and dryers with the digital readouts that show how much time remains on the washer or the dryer. Talking Goggles reads that for me but you have to play with it. I seem to get everything else other then what I want. I found
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I have the new style washer and dryers with the digital readouts that show how much time remains on the washer or the dryer. Talking Goggles reads that for me but you have to play with it. I seem to get everything else other then what I want. I found it can even read the print labels such as heavy, or delicate. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I will and I have the money, it will be done before I discuss remodeling the kitchen, or moving again. BTW, I used Talking Goggles to assure myself that my oven was set where I wanted it, it took a bit to get the result but much better than guessing and getting it wrong. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Thank you for bringing us up to date. I hope Ray Kurzweil goes on to accomplish many more things. On 9/23/14, Gail the U. S. Male gailcrowe1...@gmail.com wrote: yes, it was totally amazing! at the time, Ray envisioned something about the size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and will continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time yet. Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old. - Original Message - From: Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I have scanned something as small as a credit card and as big as an 8-1/2 page and did not change anything. I just lined up the camera and took a picture. On 9/23/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: One thing that may or may not be off-topic and that i have wondered over since i got the app, is there a setting to change document size i mean from say A4 to a credit card or such or do you just line up the document and shoot? It says that it can scan business cards and the like, hens this question. /Krister 23 sep 2014 kl. 19:16 skrev Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com: Here's an excerpt from an article that was in the news three days ago: The $99 app is the result of a four decades-long relationship between the National Federation of the Blind and Ray Kurzweil, a well-known artificial-intelligence scientist and senior Google employee. According to its website, K-NFB Reading Technology Inc and Sensotec NV, a Belgium-based company, led the technical development of the app. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com mailto:maria...@denningweb.com wrote: Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com mailto:h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com mailto:sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I have scanned something as small as a credit card and as big as an 8-1/2 page and did not change anything. I just lined up the camera and took a picture. On 9/23/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: One thing that may or may not be off-topic and that i have wondered over since i got the app, is there a setting to change document size i mean from say A4 to a credit card or such or do you just line up the document and shoot? It says that it can scan business cards and the like, hens this question. /Krister 23 sep 2014 kl. 19:16 skrev Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com: Here's an excerpt from an article that was in the news three days ago: The $99 app is the result of a four decades-long relationship between the National Federation of the Blind and Ray Kurzweil, a well-known artificial-intelligence scientist and senior Google employee. According to its website, K-NFB Reading Technology Inc and Sensotec NV, a Belgium-based company, led the technical development of the app. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com mailto:maria...@denningweb.com wrote: Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com mailto:h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com mailto:sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone
I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
where can I find knob? *** Cats know how we feel; they don't care, but they know. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I will and I have the money, it will be done before I discuss remodeling the kitchen, or moving again. BTW, I used Talking Goggles to assure myself that my oven was set where I wanted it, it took a bit to get the result but much better than guessing and getting it wrong. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Probably on one side or the other of a door. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Kerri To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions where can I find knob? *** Cats know how we feel; they don't care, but they know. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
LOL! funny charles. of course, the person meant KNFB reader. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:37 PM Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Probably on one side or the other of a door. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Kerri To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions where can I find knob? *** Cats know how we feel; they don't care, but they know. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
When I go to explorer files, my KNFB reader crash! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Try searching for KNFB only and see how many results you find. Worked for me. HTH From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I'm about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold
RE: [Bulk] RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hmmm, yesterday I couldn't find it, and today I found it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Risavy, Jr. Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Just type knfb and not with the reader added and should find it as I did; but, hadn't bought it yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: [Bulk] RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I'm about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would
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I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano
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Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com mailto:kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Yes, that is what the K and K NFB reader stands for Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your
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Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific
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I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word
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Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Kerri kootenaycr...@shaw.ca wrote: I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com
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It's usable worldwide, and is available in many countries' App Stores. It also supports several languages. - Original Message - From: Kerri To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards
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not really, it was not developed by Kurzweil Educational systems, the maker of the program for the PC. Ray Kurzweil, and NFB and a belgian company actually developed the one used on the iPhone. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Yes, that is what the K and K NFB reader stands for Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would
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yes, it was totally amazing! at the time, Ray envisioned something about the size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and will continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time yet. Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old. - Original Message - From: Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep
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I understand he is a Senior employee at Google. I hope he can swing Google towards as good a commitment to accessibility for the blind and visually impaired as Steve Jobs did with Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail the U. S. Male Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions yes, it was totally amazing! at the time, Ray envisioned something about the size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and will continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time yet. Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old. - Original Message - From: Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18
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He's the chief engineer, from what I remember, I'm sure he will try. Google gave each of the 20 or so scholarship winners at this summer's convention a Nexus tablet - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:46 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I understand he is a Senior employee at Google. I hope he can swing Google towards as good a commitment to accessibility for the blind and visually impaired as Steve Jobs did with Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail the U. S. Male Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions yes, it was totally amazing! at the time, Ray envisioned something about the size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and will continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time yet. Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old. - Original Message - From: Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys
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In the early 2000s the NFB and Ray Kurzweil collaborated on a company, KNFB Reading Technology to develop the first handheld reading machine which appeared in 2006. By 2009 the software migrated to a Nokia cell phone and now it has moved to the iPhone. Ray Kurzweil in fact no longer works for the company but is still on its board of directors. Karl __ Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84129 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: k...@axistech.net Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the development of the KNFB Reader. NFB provided significant funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s. We have come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read scanned documents. Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone. On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote: hi, has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good. Husna -Original Message- From: RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl
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Hi Kerri, I am in Canada and bought KNFB Reader the day it was released and it definitely works great. Usually apps which are not supported in a particular country are not available in said country's app store. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com mailto:kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com : I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com
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thanks, I'm so embarrassed to ask grin. *** I cannot even imagine where I would be today were it not for that handful of friends who have given me a heart full of joy. Let's face it, friends make life a lot more fun. Chuck Swindoll On Sep 23, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: It's usable worldwide, and is available in many countries' App Stores. It also supports several languages. - Original Message - From: Kerri To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic. On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share? On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote: I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans
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I spoke to the KNFBR folks at the NFB convention about using the volume button for picture taking and they said that Apple was going to restrict third party developers from using this control so they weren’t going to put it into the app. Karl __ Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84129 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: k...@axistech.net Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Rob, I think, in a blindness specific app, if the volume control took pictures, there would be a lot of erroneous pictures being taken as people adjust the volume of their speech. They have guarded against jitter to some extent by introducing a very small delay between when you double tap the Take Picture button and when the picture is taken. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 8:33 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential
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Try searching for KNFB only and see how many results you find. Worked for me. HTH From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I'm about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report
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I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this app? Thanks Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for the new iOS 8 family sharing. Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone without issues. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S if it has unlimited installations as most do. On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks,
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This app sounds very good however why would like to noise does it use the Internet to translate what it has taken a photograph of and if so is there a way you can do it off-line On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:37 pm, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a link to the cayenne FB reader apps page in the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Jonathan, What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn’t find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am getting it when I can find it Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be
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Just type knfb and not with the reader added and should find it as I did; but, hadn't bought it yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: [Bulk] RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I'm about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
All OCR is done on the device, in fact, you can put your phone in Airplane Mode and it still works just the same. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher huby Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions This app sounds very good however why would like to noise does it use the Internet to translate what it has taken a photograph of and if so is there a way you can do it off-line On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:37 pm, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com mailto:cadean...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a link to the cayenne FB reader apps page in the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Jonathan, What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn’t find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am getting it when I can find it Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr
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sounds a wonderful item bought very expensive just checked £69 good grief will have to save up for it for a while On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:05 am, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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it works really well on the iphone 5c. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece Sent: 18 September 2014 13:24 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post
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One would have to try. But here's hoping On 9/18/14, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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it will work with the 5 onwards. Has anyone played with it on the iphone 5 yet? On 9/18/14, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Yes, the cayenne FB reader will work with the iPhone for us. I have it installed on my for S and it works quite well. The only differences the processor is a little slower, so it takes about 4 to 6 seconds in order for it to process the image. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:34 AM, Oriol Gómez ogomez@gmail.com wrote: it will work with the 5 onwards. Has anyone played with it on the iphone 5 yet? On 9/18/14, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google
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No, it does not use the internet to read documents. I looked in the FAQ area on their website and it says the KNFB reader can be used on an airplane when the phone is in airplane mode. On 9/20/14, Christopher huby chrishub...@gmail.com wrote: This app sounds very good however why would like to noise does it use the Internet to translate what it has taken a photograph of and if so is there a way you can do it off-line On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:37 pm, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a link to the cayenne FB reader apps page in the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Jonathan, What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn’t find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am getting it when I can find it Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns
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He mentioned translation, which made me think that he wanted to translate from one language to another. If so, I don't think it can do this yet. Thanks, Ari On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com wrote: No, it does not use the internet to read documents. I looked in the FAQ area on their website and it says the KNFB reader can be used on an airplane when the phone is in airplane mode. On 9/20/14, Christopher huby chrishub...@gmail.com wrote: This app sounds very good however why would like to noise does it use the Internet to translate what it has taken a photograph of and if so is there a way you can do it off-line On 18 Sep 2014, at 9:37 pm, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a link to the cayenne FB reader apps page in the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Jonathan, What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn’t find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am getting it when I can find it Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
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Hi all just wanted to say thank you for those of you that have been on this topic and tell people like myself about Kenneth be reader it's a wonderful up today are using the first time target address label absolute perfect results could not be happier so thank you for everyone that email regarding this topic and keep all good suggestions coming On 21 Sep 2014, at 3:14 pm, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I’m about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don’t see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I’m no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don’t buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. —k Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they’ve been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture
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Hi, I have brought the KNFB Reader and have an IPhone 5. At first I wasn't getting great results but this was me as my sighted partner was getting pretty accurate results when he used it. Now |I'm getting better results. The problem I was having was taking the picture too quickly when I raised the phone above the document before the camera had time to focus. I also found my hands were shaking when I was taking the picture. This is gradually improving and I hope will get better with practice. I have found puting my elbows on a table either side of the document and then holding the phone with the fingers of each hand at either side has helped but does take some getting used too. Louise. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez Sent: 18 September 2014 09:34 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions it will work with the 5 onwards. Has anyone played with it on the iphone 5 yet? On 9/18/14, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote: Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph - Original Message - From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information
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I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e
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Hi Rob, I tried the volume button in KNFB Reader and at least for me it doesn't seem to work. ?But in any case, I actually find pushing the volume button is more likely to make me move the phone than a double tap or split tap. The iPhone's touch screen really requires a very light touch and with a bit of practice you can do a double tap and barely touch the screen. What I haven't tried yet is to use the headset. This is probably the best method for taking a picture as you can press the middle part of the headset to take the picture or start/stop video recording and you don't even have to touch your phone at all or press any button. As for holding the phone, I just hold it in my left hand gripping just the bottom half of the phone from underneath and I find this quite natural and then my right hand is free to do the tapping. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:33 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button
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Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I'm about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What
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Here is a link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8E Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I’m about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don’t see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I’m no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don’t buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. —k Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they’ve been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report
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Hi Pablo, Here's how I found it: after typing KNFB in the search field, tap the search button. Don't just look at the result that shows automatically. After I double tapped Search, the Blio app showed up first. Keep flicking right and you will see the KNfB Reader after Blio. I think only Blio shows up if you don't double tap Search. HTH. Terrie From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sieghard, I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really worth its money. It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you see what it does, its worth every penny. I'm about to delete all the others also. I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually
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Hi Rob, I think, in a blindness specific app, if the volume control took pictures, there would be a lot of erroneous pictures being taken as people adjust the volume of their speech. They have guarded against jitter to some extent by introducing a very small delay between when you double tap the Take Picture button and when the picture is taken. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 8:33 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button
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As it says in the users guide, the best way to take pictures is by using a split tap. As you move your index finger around the screen, when you find the element you want to activate, for example take picture, put another finger on the screen and then lift one finger. This will act as a double tap, and will ensure that you hold the camera steady. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Rob, I think, in a blindness specific app, if the volume control took pictures, there would be a lot of erroneous pictures being taken as people adjust the volume of their speech. They have guarded against jitter to some extent by introducing a very small delay between when you double tap the Take Picture button and when the picture is taken. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 8:33 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play
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hi, Has anyone gotten the automatic mode to work? When I select the profile, all I get is a little whooshing sound every couple of seconds. The only way I can get it to take the picture is if I double tap the take picture button. Does anyone know how to use the automatic mode? Thanks in advance, ben Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: As it says in the users guide, the best way to take pictures is by using a split tap. As you move your index finger around the screen, when you find the element you want to activate, for example take picture, put another finger on the screen and then lift one finger. This will act as a double tap, and will ensure that you hold the camera steady. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Rob, I think, in a blindness specific app, if the volume control took pictures, there would be a lot of erroneous pictures being taken as people adjust the volume of their speech. They have guarded against jitter to some extent by introducing a very small delay between when you double tap the Take Picture button and when the picture is taken. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 8:33 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased
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When I enabled it it seemed to work sometimes but not all the time. I usually start out by putting my phone down on top of whatever it is I want to scan. I line it up so the corner with the camera is approx in the middle of the document. Then I start KNFB Reader and at that point it will say that the lens is covered or something like that. I then lift straight up and as I said, a few times it would then say “text detected, hold still” and it would take the picture. Regards, Sieghardcamera From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Blatchford Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions hi, Has anyone gotten the automatic mode to work? When I select the profile, all I get is a little whooshing sound every couple of seconds. The only way I can get it to take the picture is if I double tap the take picture button. Does anyone know how to use the automatic mode? Thanks in advance, ben Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com mailto:cadean...@gmail.com wrote: As it says in the users guide, the best way to take pictures is by using a split tap. As you move your index finger around the screen, when you find the element you want to activate, for example take picture, put another finger on the screen and then lift one finger. This will act as a double tap, and will ensure that you hold the camera steady. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Rob, I think, in a blindness specific app, if the volume control took pictures, there would be a lot of erroneous pictures being taken as people adjust the volume of their speech. They have guarded against jitter to some extent by introducing a very small delay between when you double tap the Take Picture button and when the picture is taken. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 8:33 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I just read this and had this image, begging a question:- Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this? It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some. I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen and tapping. JMO, RobH. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu mailto:kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you
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Good point. No problemo! Darnit! If only I had a hundred bucks, I'd immediately spend it in the app store, and I'll bet you know what for?? Heh heh heh. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:35 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Charles, Yes, you can find answers to many questions asked here by searching Google or the archives. However, in this case if Conni went with the official statements she would find out that KNFB Reader is not supported on the iPhone 4S. However, while it may not be supported, it apparently does work just as it works on my wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen which has only a 5 MP camera although if I remember correctly it has the same A5 processor than the 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:44 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions There sure are a lot of questions about what the KNFB reader will or will not work with. These can be prevented by doing a little Internet browsing, for example, to the site of the developers. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Connie Mohney To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:11 PM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Jonathan, Will the NFB reader work on an iPhone 4 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post
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I don't think, these are first impressions any more! Dave. - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:46 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I shot a picture of my computer screen last night without a flash, of course, and it came out with a few mistakes but quite easy to read. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I agree, and i’m surpriced actually that reading displays and the like has gotten so little attention, i mean now that we actually have a device capable of doing just that, i’m surpriced that there’s only a couple apps that can read lcd displays and the like. As it stands now, Talking Goggles is your best bet there. Where can you leave feedback and suggestions to Knfb? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 21:46 skrev Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com: darn now if we could only get it to do that in real time we would have a kick ass way to read minues and the like off of lcds I am surprised they didn't considder this when developing the app. On 9/18/2014 12:34 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I don’t think it updates, after all this is still pictures, you have to retake a picture for every cursor movement you make, not very practical but imagine a video mode with this kind of precition, now that would be something. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 20:54 skrev Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com: if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it just read the intire screen Hank On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona mailto:hank.smith...@gmail.com hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast
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Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit
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I also am impressed with the Knfb reader. I listened to Michael Hanson's podcast on the applevis web site. I find the tilt and the field of view report helpful. Before listening to the podcast I was able to scan and find something on a worksheet at work that I was brailleing. Last night I read one of my Nutrisystem dinnners. My pictures aren't perfect but with practice they can get better. I also will find this beneficial at work because ocasionally I will get an image pdf that I can't read in my email and now I will be able to. I'm going to keep playing with it and see how things go. Rebecca and Zeb email: rilni...@gmail.com twitter: zebs_mom Sent from my IPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators
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You are forgetting about lighting. Blind people , especially those who have never seen, have a poor concept of lighting. Many problems that blind people have with taking pictures of any kind is gauging lighting, and knowing how to adjust it. Andy From: David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions
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This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader
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Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture
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There is no trial for the KMF the reader is there? I wish there were. It would be nice to give it a try before you bye Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Lynn White lynnwhite...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect
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No, there is no trial version. The KNFB reader does have something of a learning curve, and if you had a trial basis that only gave you let's say 10 or 20 scans, you might not be able to accomplish the results you want. My suggestion is that you wait a week or two and see what people are talking about. I'm sure that between this form and the apple vis form all your questions will be answered. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, leliastr...@gmail.com leliastr...@gmail.com wrote: There is no trial for the KMF the reader is there? I wish there were. It would be nice to give it a try before you bye Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Lynn White lynnwhite...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store
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I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt things will get easier in time, and the app will be tweaked to make improvements.. Thanks, Brian Miller From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: mailto:dchitten
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I think after all the overwhelming and I would say 95% or better positive feedback it is pretty safe to say that KNFB Reader delivers on it’s promise to be the best and most easy-to-use OCR app for a blind person. I think I will use OCR a lot more now since while Prizmo and Text Grabber both worked pretty good, they still were not as easy to use and the fact you can get all the feedback from KNFB if you want it is really good. I know KNFB was criticized a lot and I myself criticized them for not delivering on the end of August release but after all is said and done they simply did an outstanding job. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of leliastr...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions There is no trial for the KMF the reader is there? I wish there were. It would be nice to give it a try before you bye Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Lynn White lynnwhite...@gmail.com mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions
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Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt things will get easier in time, and the app will be tweaked to make improvements.. Thanks, Brian Miller From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
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Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt things will get easier in time, and the app will be tweaked to make improvements.. Thanks, Brian Miller From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem
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I was having a similar problem, with another app. My solution was I cleaned my screen. Perhaps this is your problem too. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:00 PM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt things will get easier in time, and the app will be tweaked to make improvements.. Thanks, Brian Miller From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Saturday
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At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking about, but it may be worth a try. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt things
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So we just got the reader today, and without sighted assistance we just activated our card. Talk about opening doors of opportunity. Wow Lelia Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: I was having a similar problem, with another app. My solution was I cleaned my screen. Perhaps this is your problem too. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:00 PM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this work? Thanks, Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Brian, First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app
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Hi Ron, The app is in the Canadian app store since I bought it first thing this morning. A search for KNFB did the trick for me, first result was Blio and then came KNFB Reader. Are you just typing it in and then check the matches or are you typing in KNFB and then double tap on the Search button. I find it is often much easier to find things if you tap the Search button and I have gotten used to always doing so. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Jonathan, What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn't find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am getting it when I can find it Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I thought camera spec might have been the main issue with older models. surprised Protrait mode doesn't work better since it is the more natural shape of pages. R, thinking about it. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: Viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:02 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM
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Hummmnmnmnm,careful!... you'll be convincing a sceptic soon at this rate. Rh. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have KNFB Reader. The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which edges are visible is awesome. As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves with that app. I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in the years to come. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if possible, both for the document layout and with the phone. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com mailto:sea...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. -k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org : Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com : I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95
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Ok, For those who haven't got it yet, how do you take the picture? I've started snapping when out and about and using the iPhone like a conventional camera, landscape, and clicking the volume button. Rh. - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Okay, I've tried out the app and here are my impressions. First, I am running on an iPhone 5S using the latest version of IOS7. In addition to using the field report option, there is an option next to the take picture button called Tilt Guidance. I found that I wasn't holding the phone in a level position. With tilt guidance on, the phone will vibrate until you are holding the phone in a level state. This is very useful, particularly for one who has no vision. ONce the phone was level, I go excellent results. From the time the picture was snapped, it took about 2 seconds for text to be read aloud. While practice and persistence is crucial, this app is a winner, as far as I'm concerned. Les On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
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I agree, and i’m surpriced actually that reading displays and the like has gotten so little attention, i mean now that we actually have a device capable of doing just that, i’m surpriced that there’s only a couple apps that can read lcd displays and the like. As it stands now, Talking Goggles is your best bet there. Where can you leave feedback and suggestions to Knfb? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 21:46 skrev Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com: darn now if we could only get it to do that in real time we would have a kick ass way to read minues and the like off of lcds I am surprised they didn't considder this when developing the app. On 9/18/2014 12:34 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I don’t think it updates, after all this is still pictures, you have to retake a picture for every cursor movement you make, not very practical but imagine a video mode with this kind of precition, now that would be something. /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 20:54 skrev Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com mailto:hank.smith...@gmail.com: if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it just read the intire screen Hank On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com mailto:hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by
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Does it keep or discard the pictures? this could soon gobble up storage. Rh. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Whenever you change the screen, you would have to take a Nother picture of it to read it. It does not read in real time. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it just read the intire screen Hank On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running
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It deletes the photos and documents once you leave the screen, unless you decide to save them. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:58 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Does it keep or discard the pictures? this could soon gobble up storage. Rh. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Whenever you change the screen, you would have to take a Nother picture of it to read it. It does not read in real time. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it just read the intire screen Hank On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
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You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Oh, Wow! I really don't want to put IOS8 on this 4S but would like to have the app, price is high but if it works at all better than my results over the past few years well worth it, maybe I will go get it and try on my 4S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Okay, I've tried out the app and here are my impressions. First, I am running on an iPhone 5S using the latest version of IOS7. In addition to using the field report option, there is an option next to the take picture button called Tilt Guidance. I found that I wasn't holding the phone in a level position. With tilt guidance on, the phone will vibrate until you are holding the phone in a level state. This is very useful, particularly for one who has no vision. ONce the phone was level, I go excellent results. From the time the picture was snapped, it took about 2 seconds for text to be read aloud. While practice and persistence is crucial, this app is a winner, as far as I'm concerned. Les On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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As far as I know this will work with 7 as well. Greetings, Anouk, On 19 Sep 2014, at 18:11, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Oh, Wow! I really don't want to put IOS8 on this 4S but would like to have the app, price is high but if it works at all better than my results over the past few years well worth it, maybe I will go get it and try on my 4S. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Okay, I've tried out the app and here are my impressions. First, I am running on an iPhone 5S using the latest version of IOS7. In addition to using the field report option, there is an option next to the take picture button called Tilt Guidance. I found that I wasn't holding the phone in a level position. With tilt guidance on, the phone will vibrate until you are holding the phone in a level state. This is very useful, particularly for one who has no vision. ONce the phone was level, I go excellent results. From the time the picture was snapped, it took about 2 seconds for text to be read aloud. While practice and persistence is crucial, this app is a winner, as far as I'm concerned. Les On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter:Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list
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No, upgrading to iOS 8 is not necessary. The app was designed to work with iOS 7 and above. Thanks, Ari On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Rose, No you do not have to update to iOS eight. I installed the cayenne FB reader onto my iPhone for S and I am running iOS 7.12. works pretty good, however the processing is a little slow. Once I take a picture it takes 5 to 6 seconds before it starts speaking. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Rose, I would hold off upgrading to IOS 8. I upgraded my iPad mini, and it has more bugs than my very first apartment in Chicago! Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: No, upgrading to iOS 8 is not necessary. The app was designed to work with iOS 7 and above. Thanks, Ari On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options
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Well, once I tell Open Book to scan it takes about a minute for it to even start the scanner so five or six seconds would be fine with me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Rose, No you do not have to update to iOS eight. I installed the cayenne FB reader onto my iPhone for S and I am running iOS 7.12. works pretty good, however the processing is a little slow. Once I take a picture it takes 5 to 6 seconds before it starts speaking. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
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Ouch, not good! I still may go for the reader, however. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Rose, I would hold off upgrading to IOS 8. I upgraded my iPad mini, and it has more bugs than my very first apartment in Chicago! Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: No, upgrading to iOS 8 is not necessary. The app was designed to work with iOS 7 and above. Thanks, Ari On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/viphone/S40-AWzQK5k
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Yeah, I'm using the reader and it works pretty well with iOS 7 .12. I also noticed, that when you do a batch scan, the processing takes quite a while. But I used to have open book on a PC, and the processing took a long time on that too. So maybe it's just the nature of the beast. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: Ouch, not good! I still may go for the reader, however. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi Rose, I would hold off upgrading to IOS 8. I upgraded my iPad mini, and it has more bugs than my very first apartment in Chicago! Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: No, upgrading to iOS 8 is not necessary. The app was designed to work with iOS 7 and above. Thanks, Ari On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: You do have to update to IOS8, correct? I was not going to do it but, if I can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus. More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part. No helping eyes here any longer. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: Viphone Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work. On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 4S. I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds to process the image, but so far, it is working well. Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running
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Hi! OK it might be when the original poster was finding better results in landscape due maybe to the field of view setting might be set on landscape! I noticed on the podcast when he was going through the settings that the field of view could be set and his was on landscape! So maybe changing that to portrait would give good results in that rotation view! I do not have KNFB to try this out myself! Colin On 19 Sep 2014, at 10:44, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Hummmnmnm, the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distance right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distance for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results. I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode? /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org: Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early stages. Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-) /Krister 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com: I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen; I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilisation. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
How did you flatten the paperback book for scanning with the KNFB Reader? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I tried scanning about twenty pages of a paperback book. I used my scan stand pro. It worked very well... About 98% accurate. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, have you tried books? If you have a paperback, could you do two pages at once if it's a small format paperback, and what it separate the pages? Or is that asking too much? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Brian, I don't own any scanning stand. In my view, if one needs to resort to another gadget to get a good picture, I may as well go to the office and use my scanner. What I'm after is great results with the device I carry with me in my pocket, with no additional stuff. And KNFB delivers better than anything else I've used. In the past, Prizmo was my favourite app for OCR on the iPhone, but KNFB is giving me far superior results on the first try and it's really fast. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 11:18 pm, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel
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I just flatten it out with my hand, and then held the pages down with my fingers while it scanned. It also didn't hurt that this was a very old book, from the early 50s and so the spine was very brittle. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Gary Bowers gdbow...@swbell.net wrote: How did you flatten the paperback book for scanning with the KNFB Reader? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I tried scanning about twenty pages of a paperback book. I used my scan stand pro. It worked very well... About 98% accurate. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, have you tried books? If you have a paperback, could you do two pages at once if it's a small format paperback, and what it separate the pages? Or is that asking too much? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Brian, I don't own any scanning stand. In my view, if one needs to resort to another gadget to get a good picture, I may as well go to the office and use my scanner. What I'm after is great results with the device I carry with me in my pocket, with no additional stuff. And KNFB delivers better than anything else I've used. In the past, Prizmo was my favourite app for OCR on the iPhone, but KNFB is giving me far superior results on the first try and it's really fast. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 11:18 pm, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting
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I am going to tell me age now, but when I used my Optacon, I put something heavy on the other side to help hold that page down. I would use the camera hand to help hold down the side I was reading. Something similar might work here too. On 9/19/14, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: I just flatten it out with my hand, and then held the pages down with my fingers while it scanned. It also didn't hurt that this was a very old book, from the early 50s and so the spine was very brittle. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Gary Bowers gdbow...@swbell.net wrote: How did you flatten the paperback book for scanning with the KNFB Reader? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I tried scanning about twenty pages of a paperback book. I used my scan stand pro. It worked very well... About 98% accurate. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, have you tried books? If you have a paperback, could you do two pages at once if it's a small format paperback, and what it separate the pages? Or is that asking too much? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Brian, I don't own any scanning stand. In my view, if one needs to resort to another gadget to get a good picture, I may as well go to the office and use my scanner. What I'm after is great results with the device I carry with me in my pocket, with no additional stuff. And KNFB delivers better than anything else I've used. In the past, Prizmo was my favourite app for OCR on the iPhone, but KNFB is giving me far superior results on the first try and it's really fast. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 18/09/2014, at 11:18 pm, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Jonathan, Will the NFB reader work on an iPhone 4 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
