RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Samantha is not a Siri voice.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Others may correct me if what I say is wrong.  Yes, I think Samantha is a Siri 
voice.  But I agree that it's hard to tell because the Siri voices are now 
labeled Voice 1, Voice 2, ETC.

I currently use the Aaron VoiceOver voice.  That voice is now called Voice 1 
for Siri.

Does anyone have a list of the person names for the Siri voices?

Rob

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Wendy Lin
Same here and I’m still running iOS 15.5 on my iPhone SE 3 and I’ve been 
noticing lately when I scroll a lot on Facebook, Safari, etc. voiceover says 
screen curtain on out of the blue. I always keep my screen curtain on but I 
never really understood why it does that every now and then.


> On Jun 6, 2023, at 10:06 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> This is not just a bug with iOS 16 I have iOS 15.7 and it happens to me
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> This seems to be a bug with iOS 16.5 and also still with iOS 16.6 beta. I 
>> think what is happening is that there is some sort of brief crash because 
>> whenever this happens for me I am kicked back up the top of the page no 
>> matter if I was just swipeing through Facebook posts, reading a news article 
>> or whatever. This also happens with screen currtain off, but since I think 
>> Voiceover briefly crashes and restarts when screen curtain is on you hear 
>> the message "screen curtain on".
>> I have been meaning to send this to Apple Accessibilithy and demonstrating 
>> with a screen recording, but I am not sure if a screen recording would do 
>> much when screen curtain is on; just as a screenshot with screen curtain on 
>> gives you an image of a black screen I assume maybe a screen recording with 
>> screen curtain on does the same. I tried a few days ago and of course while 
>> I was doing the screen rec ording all went normally and this didn't happen. 
>> Anyways, I am glad I am not the only one and it would be interesting to know 
>> if others experience this or sometimes are surprised that focus suddenly 
>> jumps to the top of the page even when screen curtain is off. It is a bug 
>> for sure as far as I am concerned; not a dealvbreaker, but quite annoying.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
>> Yates
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
>> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
>> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
>> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and 
>> to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Rob Armstrong
I wasn't asking who spoke all the samples to create the Samantha voice.  I 
asked if anyone still has the list that identifies what the older names were 
for the Siri voices now called voice 1, voice 2, ETC.  All of the Siri voices 
used to have names like Samantha and Aaron.

When trying to choose VoiceOver voices, we cannot be sure the voice we chose is 
not a Siri voice since the Siri voice is not identified by the same name.

Rob

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I believe that the Siri voice is from a person named Susan Bennett. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rob Armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Others may correct me if what I say is wrong.  Yes, I think Samantha is a Siri 
voice.  But I agree that it's hard to tell because the Siri voices are now 
labeled Voice 1, Voice 2, ETC.

I currently use the Aaron VoiceOver voice.  That voice is now called Voice 1 
for Siri.

Does anyone have a list of the person names for the Siri voices?

Rob

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Carolyn Arnold
I believe that the Siri voice is from a person named Susan Bennett. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rob Armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Others may correct me if what I say is wrong.  Yes, I think Samantha is a Siri 
voice.  But I agree that it's hard to tell because the Siri voices are now 
labeled Voice 1, Voice 2, ETC.

I currently use the Aaron VoiceOver voice.  That voice is now called Voice 1 
for Siri.

Does anyone have a list of the person names for the Siri voices?

Rob

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
I went ahead and changed the Siri voice to Aaron as well. I guess I'll see if 
it makes any difference on my end. I will say though, talk about having to get 
used to it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Others may correct me if what I say is wrong.  Yes, I think Samantha is a Siri 
voice.  But I agree that it's hard to tell because the Siri voices are now 
labeled Voice 1, Voice 2, ETC.

I currently use the Aaron VoiceOver voice.  That voice is now called Voice 1 
for Siri.

Does anyone have a list of the person names for the Siri voices?

Rob

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Dan Yates
OK, I’m using the US English Alex voice exclusively now and so far I have not 
heard the screen curtain  alert

Dan


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 2:48 PM, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> 
> Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
> stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
> worked for me.
> 
> DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
> possibly this issue.
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
>> 
>> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Barbara Stahl
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
>> 
>> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
>> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
>> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
>> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for 
>> me on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
>> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
>> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
>> starts happening too often.  
>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Rob Armstrong
Others may correct me if what I say is wrong.  Yes, I think Samantha is a Siri 
voice.  But I agree that it's hard to tell because the Siri voices are now 
labeled Voice 1, Voice 2, ETC.

I currently use the Aaron VoiceOver voice.  That voice is now called Voice 1 
for Siri.

Does anyone have a list of the person names for the Siri voices?

Rob

-Original Message-
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Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread danneyyates
I'll give this a try
Thanks,
Dan


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 2:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Donna Casteen
Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Rob Armstrong
I have just updated to iOS 16.5.  Even in iOS 15.7, iOS frequently jumps back 
several screens in both Google Chat and WhatsApp.  This happens no matter 
whether the screen curtain is on or off.  It does not jump back the same amount 
each time.

Rob

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Weitzel
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This seems to be a bug with iOS 16.5 and also still with iOS 16.6 beta. I think 
what is happening is that there is some sort of brief crash because whenever 
this happens for me I am kicked back up the top of the page no matter if I was 
just swipeing through Facebook posts, reading a news article or whatever. This 
also happens with screen currtain off, but since I think Voiceover briefly 
crashes and restarts when screen curtain is on you hear the message "screen 
curtain on".
I have been meaning to send this to Apple Accessibilithy and demonstrating with 
a screen recording, but I am not sure if a screen recording would do much when 
screen curtain is on; just as a screenshot with screen curtain on gives you an 
image of a black screen I assume maybe a screen recording with screen curtain 
on does the same. I tried a few days ago and of course while I was doing the 
screen rec ording all went normally and this didn't happen. Anyways, I am glad 
I am not the only one and it would be interesting to know if others experience 
this or sometimes are surprised that focus suddenly jumps to the top of the 
page even when screen curtain is off. It is a bug for sure as far as I am 
concerned; not a dealvbreaker, but quite annoying.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have typically 
kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to add some 
privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
Dan



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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread danneyyates
Sounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides possibly 
this issue.
Dan


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
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Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.  

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
> 
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Mr. Ed
Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.  

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
> 
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
> Dan
> 
> 
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
That is definitely an interesting comment and I will try this as I do indeed 
use a Siri voice. If that fixes the issue I will certainly write to Apple 
Accessibility since if they allow Siri voices to be used for Voiceover they 
should make sure something like this is fixed.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Apple says that it is a Siri bug. & suggests that those using a Siri voice for 
voiceover switch to using a voiceover voice. This should correct the problem, 
it did for me.

Donna
> 
> This is not just a bug with iOS 16 I have iOS 15.7 and it happens to me
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> This seems to be a bug with iOS 16.5 and also still with iOS 16.6 beta. I 
>> think what is happening is that there is some sort of brief crash because 
>> whenever this happens for me I am kicked back up the top of the page no 
>> matter if I was just swipeing through Facebook posts, reading a news article 
>> or whatever. This also happens with screen currtain off, but since I think 
>> Voiceover briefly crashes and restarts when screen curtain is on you hear 
>> the message "screen curtain on".
>> I have been meaning to send this to Apple Accessibilithy and demonstrating 
>> with a screen recording, but I am not sure if a screen recording would do 
>> much when screen curtain is on; just as a screenshot with screen curtain on 
>> gives you an image of a black screen I assume maybe a screen recording with 
>> screen curtain on does the same. I tried a few days ago and of course while 
>> I was doing the screen rec ording all went normally and this didn't happen. 
>> Anyways, I am glad I am not the only one and it would be interesting to know 
>> if others experience this or sometimes are surprised that focus suddenly 
>> jumps to the top of the page even when screen curtain is off. It is a bug 
>> for sure as far as I am concerned; not a dealvbreaker, but quite annoying.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
>> Yates
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
>> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
>> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
>> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and 
>> to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
My phone's been doing this since I don't know when. I just figure it was one of 
those VO quirks that randomly happen. I know it was going on since at least iOS 
15.x when all the other extraneous VO chatter really started, but before that, 
I couldn't say. I'm going to have to pay attention about the being placed at 
the top of the screen part next time it happens. Off-hand, I don't recall if 
that's the case on my XR.


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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Hi Christopher, you should try to work with screen curtain on for an extended 
period of time and I believe you will find that whenever this happens if you 
have screen curtain on Voiceover will say "screen curtain on" just as if you 
were restarting Voiceover.
For me clearing the app switcher or restarting the phone does not seem to make 
a difference or if it dcoes it is short-lived; I have an iPhone 13 Pro.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Once in a great while, I'll have the issue where my focus keeps jumping to the 
top of the screen. I think it has to do with either an IOS update or changing 
my TTS voice. Clearing out my App Switcher and restarting the phone always 
takes care of  this for me.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring?
> Dan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Donna Casteen
Apple says that it is a Siri bug. & suggests that those using a Siri voice for 
voiceover switch to using a voiceover voice. This should correct the problem, 
it did for me.

Donna
> 
> This is not just a bug with iOS 16 I have iOS 15.7 and it happens to me
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> This seems to be a bug with iOS 16.5 and also still with iOS 16.6 beta. I 
>> think what is happening is that there is some sort of brief crash because 
>> whenever this happens for me I am kicked back up the top of the page no 
>> matter if I was just swipeing through Facebook posts, reading a news article 
>> or whatever. This also happens with screen currtain off, but since I think 
>> Voiceover briefly crashes and restarts when screen curtain is on you hear 
>> the message "screen curtain on".
>> I have been meaning to send this to Apple Accessibilithy and demonstrating 
>> with a screen recording, but I am not sure if a screen recording would do 
>> much when screen curtain is on; just as a screenshot with screen curtain on 
>> gives you an image of a black screen I assume maybe a screen recording with 
>> screen curtain on does the same. I tried a few days ago and of course while 
>> I was doing the screen rec ording all went normally and this didn't happen. 
>> Anyways, I am glad I am not the only one and it would be interesting to know 
>> if others experience this or sometimes are surprised that focus suddenly 
>> jumps to the top of the page even when screen curtain is off. It is a bug 
>> for sure as far as I am concerned; not a dealvbreaker, but quite annoying.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
>> Yates
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
>> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
>> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
>> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and 
>> to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-06 Thread Barbara Stahl
This is not just a bug with iOS 16 I have iOS 15.7 and it happens to me

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> This seems to be a bug with iOS 16.5 and also still with iOS 16.6 beta. I 
> think what is happening is that there is some sort of brief crash because 
> whenever this happens for me I am kicked back up the top of the page no 
> matter if I was just swipeing through Facebook posts, reading a news article 
> or whatever. This also happens with screen currtain off, but since I think 
> Voiceover briefly crashes and restarts when screen curtain is on you hear the 
> message "screen curtain on".
> I have been meaning to send this to Apple Accessibilithy and demonstrating 
> with a screen recording, but I am not sure if a screen recording would do 
> much when screen curtain is on; just as a screenshot with screen curtain on 
> gives you an image of a black screen I assume maybe a screen recording with 
> screen curtain on does the same. I tried a few days ago and of course while I 
> was doing the screen rec ording all went normally and this didn't happen. 
> Anyways, I am glad I am not the only one and it would be interesting to know 
> if others experience this or sometimes are surprised that focus suddenly 
> jumps to the top of the page even when screen curtain is off. It is a bug for 
> sure as far as I am concerned; not a dealvbreaker, but quite annoying.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
> Yates
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-05 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Christopher, you should try to work with screen curtain on for an extended 
period of time and I believe you will find that whenever this happens if you 
have screen curtain on Voiceover will say "screen curtain on" just as if you 
were restarting Voiceover.
For me clearing the app switcher or restarting the phone does not seem to make 
a difference or if it dcoes it is short-lived; I have an iPhone 13 Pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Once in a great while, I'll have the issue where my focus keeps jumping to the 
top of the screen. I think it has to do with either an IOS update or changing 
my TTS voice. Clearing out my App Switcher and restarting the phone always 
takes care of  this for me.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring?
> Dan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-05 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
This seems to be a bug with iOS 16.5 and also still with iOS 16.6 beta. I think 
what is happening is that there is some sort of brief crash because whenever 
this happens for me I am kicked back up the top of the page no matter if I was 
just swipeing through Facebook posts, reading a news article or whatever. This 
also happens with screen currtain off, but since I think Voiceover briefly 
crashes and restarts when screen curtain is on you hear the message "screen 
curtain on".
I have been meaning to send this to Apple Accessibilithy and demonstrating with 
a screen recording, but I am not sure if a screen recording would do much when 
screen curtain is on; just as a screenshot with screen curtain on gives you an 
image of a black screen I assume maybe a screen recording with screen curtain 
on does the same. I tried a few days ago and of course while I was doing the 
screen rec ording all went normally and this didn't happen. Anyways, I am glad 
I am not the only one and it would be interesting to know if others experience 
this or sometimes are surprised that focus suddenly jumps to the top of the 
page even when screen curtain is off. It is a bug for sure as far as I am 
concerned; not a dealvbreaker, but quite annoying.

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Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:42 AM
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Subject: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have typically 
kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to add some 
privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
Dan



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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-05 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Once in a great while, I'll have the issue where my focus keeps jumping to the 
top of the screen. I think it has to do with either an IOS update or changing 
my TTS voice. Clearing out my App Switcher and restarting the phone always 
takes care of  this for me.

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Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring?
> Dan
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-05 Thread davycuppens
This is a bug report immediately to Apple Accessibility.

You could try if your caption panel is on, if so, put it off for me the bug was 
solved then.
Davy 

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Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Dan Yates
Verzonden: maandag 5 juni 2023 20:42
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have typically 
kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to add some 
privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
Dan



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Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-05 Thread Barbara Stahl
My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.  

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
> 
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
> Dan
> 
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My phone announcing Screen curtain on

2023-06-05 Thread Dan Yates
For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have typically 
kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to add some 
privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
Dan



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RE: screen curtain reader query

2023-05-11 Thread anthonyborg001
Thank you for your advice and your help Alan, i really appreciated. 

Regards 

 

Anthony 

 

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Sent: 11 May 2023 21:32
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Subject: Re: screen curtain reader query

 

Anthony, 

 

If you want to customize any of the gestures used by VoiceOver users, go to 
Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and Commands and explore the options 
available there. I like drilling down under All commands where they are grouped 
by category with their existing settings indicated. You can undo and redo as 
desired but be cautious about changing anything that is often quoted by other 
users or you'll find yourself in a state of constant confusion. 

 

Good luck. 

 

Alan Lemly 

 

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Hi 

 

I have a first se generation and i would like to know how to toggle off the 
screen reader curtain completely or at least how to change the jesture. 

Any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance 

 

Anthony 

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Re: screen curtain reader query

2023-05-11 Thread Alan Lemly
Anthony, If you want to customize any of the gestures used by VoiceOver users, go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and Commands and explore the options available there. I like drilling down under All commands where they are grouped by category with their existing settings indicated. You can undo and redo as desired but be cautious about changing anything that is often quoted by other users or you'll find yourself in a state of constant confusion. Good luck. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn May 11, 2023, at 11:06 AM, anthonyborg...@gmail.com wrote:Hi  I have a first se generation and i would like to know how to toggle off the screen reader curtain completely or at least how to change the jesture. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance  Anthony 



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Re: screen curtain reader query

2023-05-11 Thread Jody ianuzzi
Hello Anthony,

To toggle the screen curtain do a three finger triple tap

JODY

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> Any help would be appreciated.
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screen curtain reader query

2023-05-11 Thread anthonyborg001
Hi 

 

I have a first se generation and i would like to know how to toggle off the
screen reader curtain completely or at least how to change the jesture. 

Any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance 

 

Anthony 

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RE: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread Dennis Long
I agree

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Debbie is correct, screen curtain is strictly a Voiceover feature. Anybody who 
is sighted would not want to use it, after all, why would they since it would 
prevent them from seeing the screen.


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Subject: RE: screen curtain

Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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RE: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread chrisjudge1967
No, as previously mentioned it's a voice over function.

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Subject: RE: screen curtain

Hi that is interesting so if you have voice over turned off can you stilltern 
on screen curton by doing a triple finger dubble tap?

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Sent: February 19, 2023 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: screen curtain

Debbie is correct, screen curtain is strictly a Voiceover feature. Anybody who 
is sighted would not want to use it, after all, why would they since it would 
prevent them from seeing the screen.


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Subject: RE: screen curtain

Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

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Bell
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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RE: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
If VoiceOver is not running you cannot have Screen Curtain on.

Screen Curtain is only available while VoiceOver is active.

If you were able to enable Screen Curtain without VoiceOver you would be unable 
to use your device as you would have no feedback visual or audio.

You can however disable speech when VoiceOver is running, useful if you are a 
Braille user only.
Malcolm Parfitt

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Hi that is interesting so if you have voice over turned off can you stilltern 
on screen curton by doing a triple finger dubble tap?

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Weitzel
Sent: February 19, 2023 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: screen curtain

Debbie is correct, screen curtain is strictly a Voiceover feature. Anybody who 
is sighted would not want to use it, after all, why would they since it would 
prevent them from seeing the screen.


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Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

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Bell
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Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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RE: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread michv
Hi that is interesting so if you have voice over turned off can you stilltern 
on screen curton by doing a triple finger dubble tap?

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Sent: February 19, 2023 2:22 PM
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Subject: RE: screen curtain

Debbie is correct, screen curtain is strictly a Voiceover feature. Anybody who 
is sighted would not want to use it, after all, why would they since it would 
prevent them from seeing the screen.


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Subject: RE: screen curtain

Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

-Original Message-
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Bell
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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RE: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Debbie is correct, screen curtain is strictly a Voiceover feature. Anybody who 
is sighted would not want to use it, after all, why would they since it would 
prevent them from seeing the screen.


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Subject: RE: screen curtain

Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

-Original Message-
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Bell
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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Re: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread Lyne
Hi Janet,
Probably more brightness... Settings, brightness, screen locked ...

Lyne

> Le 19 févr. 2023 à 08:42, Debby  a écrit :
> 
> please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen 
> curtain on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't 
> know if that makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger

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RE: screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread Debby
Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

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Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

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screen curtain

2023-02-19 Thread Janet Bell
please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen 
curtain on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I 
don't know if that makes a difference.  I told her to try the three 
finger triple tap but it didn't work.


one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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RE: screen curtain query

2022-10-08 Thread chrisjudge1967
This is only so if zoom is running as well. If zoom isn’t running it’s a three 
finger tripple tap for screen curtain and a three finger double tap to mute 
speech.

 

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Hi 

 

To turn off screen curtain it is a 3 fingers quadruple tap, the 3 fingers 
triple tap it is to turn off or on the screen speech. 

Best 

 

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RE: screen curtain query

2022-10-08 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Sorry, Anthony, that is incorrect information.
Tapping 4 times with 3 fingers (3-finger quadruple tap) copies whatever 
Voiceover last said to the clipboard
To turn screen curtain on or off you tap 3 times with 3 fingers (3-finger 
triple tap)
To mute or unmute speech you tap 2 times with 3 fingers (3-finger double tap). 
Keep in mind this simply mutes speech, it does not turn Voiceover off.
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Hi

To turn off screen curtain it is a 3 fingers quadruple tap, the 3 fingers 
triple tap it is to turn off or on the screen speech.
Best

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screen curtain query

2022-10-08 Thread anthonyborg001
Hi 

 

To turn off screen curtain it is a 3 fingers quadruple tap, the 3 fingers
triple tap it is to turn off or on the screen speech. 

Best 

 

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Re: screen curtain query

2022-10-07 Thread Amy Johnson
You use 3 fingers to triple tap to turn screen curtain on and off.

On 10/7/22, Afik Souffir  wrote:
> 3 fingers triple tap.
>
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> Can somebody explain to me which it is the simple way to turn off the screen
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RE: screen curtain query

2022-10-07 Thread Afik Souffir
3 fingers triple tap.


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Hi

Can somebody explain to me which it is the simple way to turn off the screen 
curtain because i tried many times to do it by four fingers four taps and i 
didn't managed to do it.
I also asked siri to do it for me but it can't do it either.
I'm using se, first gen.
Thanks in advance

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screen curtain query

2022-10-07 Thread anthonyborg001
Hi 

 

Can somebody explain to me which it is the simple way to turn off the screen
curtain because i tried many times to do it by four fingers four taps and i
didn't managed to do it. 

I also asked siri to do it for me but it can't do it either. 

I'm using se, first gen. 

Thanks in advance 

 

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Re: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Les Kriegler
Richard, thanks for this. You learn something new all the time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Les, yes, that is indeed the normal gesture, unless you also have the 
> VoiceOVer Zoom feature on where it changes because the three finger triple 
> tap is reserved for activating Zoom if it is turned on in settings.
> 
> I discovered that early on when I was teaching the use of the iPhone/iPad...
> 
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> Richard
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
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> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Hope you’re doing well. I think the command for turning screen curtain on and 
> off is a triple three finger tap. I know, it’s hard to keep track of all of 
> these.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do they also use Zoom?
>> If so, the gesture is a quadruple three finger tap for screen curtain and a 
>> triple three finger tap to toggle speech on and off.
>> Those are the only VO gestures that Zoom impacts. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe 
>> nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong -- faster 
>> and faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget 
>> that a precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's 
>> too late."
>> 
>> Bene Gesserit proverb from Dune by Frank Herbert (Quoted by Lady Jessica to 
>> Paul)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2022, at 5:59 AM, Debby  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Fanus,
>>> 
>>> I have two thoughts. First, especially if you are with the person, You 
>>> could go to settings, accessibility, voiceover and go to the voiceover 
>>> practice. Then the person could just practice to see if they can perfect 
>>> the gesture. 
>>> 
>>> If that doesn't work, the gesture could be changed to something easier by 
>>> going to settings, accessibility, voiceover, commands, touch gestures. Once 
>>> on that screen look for the "screen curtain" and single-finger double tap. 
>>> Then you will get a list of all the voiceover gestures and you can choose 
>>> the one that will work for the screen curtain. Probably the best one to use 
>>> will be the back tap. On the screen with all of the gestures, the back tap 
>>> area is pretty far down the screen.
>>> 
>>> I hope that helps! 
>>> 
>>> Take care and stay safe!
>>> 
>>> Debby
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Fanus Buys
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:38 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Alternative for turning screen curtain off
>>> 
>>> Hello list
>>> A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three 
>>> finger tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I 
>>> can not find something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not 
>>> help. Is there an alternative?
>>> Regards
>>> Fanus
>>> 
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Re: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Flor Lynch

Except when,, as he wrote, Zoom is on.


On 12/04/2022 19:50, Les Kriegler wrote:

Hi Richard,

Hope you’re doing well. I think the command for turning screen curtain on and 
off is a triple three finger tap. I know, it’s hard to keep track of all of 
these.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

Do they also use Zoom?
If so, the gesture is a quadruple three finger tap for screen curtain and a 
triple three finger tap to toggle speech on and off.
Those are the only VO gestures that Zoom impacts.



Richard
"When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can 
stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong -- faster and faster and faster. They 
put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a precipice does not show itself to 
the man in a blind rush until it's too late."

Bene Gesserit proverb from Dune by Frank Herbert (Quoted by Lady Jessica to 
Paul)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Apr 12, 2022, at 5:59 AM, Debby  wrote:

Hi Fanus,

I have two thoughts. First, especially if you are with the person, You could go 
to settings, accessibility, voiceover and go to the voiceover practice. Then 
the person could just practice to see if they can perfect the gesture.

If that doesn't work, the gesture could be changed to something easier by going to 
settings, accessibility, voiceover, commands, touch gestures. Once on that screen look 
for the "screen curtain" and single-finger double tap. Then you will get a list 
of all the voiceover gestures and you can choose the one that will work for the screen 
curtain. Probably the best one to use will be the back tap. On the screen with all of the 
gestures, the back tap area is pretty far down the screen.

I hope that helps!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus 
Buys
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

Hello list
A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger 
tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not find 
something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is there an 
alternative?
Regards
Fanus



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RE: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Richard Turner
Les, yes, that is indeed the normal gesture, unless you also have the VoiceOVer 
Zoom feature on where it changes because the three finger triple tap is 
reserved for activating Zoom if it is turned on in settings.

I discovered that early on when I was teaching the use of the iPhone/iPad...


Richard


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

Hi Richard,

Hope you’re doing well. I think the command for turning screen curtain on and 
off is a triple three finger tap. I know, it’s hard to keep track of all of 
these.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Do they also use Zoom?
> If so, the gesture is a quadruple three finger tap for screen curtain and a 
> triple three finger tap to toggle speech on and off.
> Those are the only VO gestures that Zoom impacts. 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe 
> nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong -- faster and 
> faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a 
> precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too 
> late."
> 
> Bene Gesserit proverb from Dune by Frank Herbert (Quoted by Lady Jessica to 
> Paul)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2022, at 5:59 AM, Debby  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Fanus,
>> 
>> I have two thoughts. First, especially if you are with the person, You could 
>> go to settings, accessibility, voiceover and go to the voiceover practice. 
>> Then the person could just practice to see if they can perfect the gesture. 
>> 
>> If that doesn't work, the gesture could be changed to something easier by 
>> going to settings, accessibility, voiceover, commands, touch gestures. Once 
>> on that screen look for the "screen curtain" and single-finger double tap. 
>> Then you will get a list of all the voiceover gestures and you can choose 
>> the one that will work for the screen curtain. Probably the best one to use 
>> will be the back tap. On the screen with all of the gestures, the back tap 
>> area is pretty far down the screen.
>> 
>> I hope that helps! 
>> 
>> Take care and stay safe!
>> 
>> Debby
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus 
>> Buys
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Alternative for turning screen curtain off
>> 
>> Hello list
>> A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger 
>> tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not 
>> find something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is 
>> there an alternative?
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>> 
>> 
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Re: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Richard,

Hope you’re doing well. I think the command for turning screen curtain on and 
off is a triple three finger tap. I know, it’s hard to keep track of all of 
these.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2022, at 10:39 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Do they also use Zoom?
> If so, the gesture is a quadruple three finger tap for screen curtain and a 
> triple three finger tap to toggle speech on and off.
> Those are the only VO gestures that Zoom impacts. 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe 
> nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong -- faster and 
> faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a 
> precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too 
> late."
> 
> Bene Gesserit proverb from Dune by Frank Herbert (Quoted by Lady Jessica to 
> Paul)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2022, at 5:59 AM, Debby  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Fanus,
>> 
>> I have two thoughts. First, especially if you are with the person, You could 
>> go to settings, accessibility, voiceover and go to the voiceover practice. 
>> Then the person could just practice to see if they can perfect the gesture. 
>> 
>> If that doesn't work, the gesture could be changed to something easier by 
>> going to settings, accessibility, voiceover, commands, touch gestures. Once 
>> on that screen look for the "screen curtain" and single-finger double tap. 
>> Then you will get a list of all the voiceover gestures and you can choose 
>> the one that will work for the screen curtain. Probably the best one to use 
>> will be the back tap. On the screen with all of the gestures, the back tap 
>> area is pretty far down the screen.
>> 
>> I hope that helps! 
>> 
>> Take care and stay safe!
>> 
>> Debby
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus 
>> Buys
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Alternative for turning screen curtain off
>> 
>> Hello list
>> A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger 
>> tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not 
>> find something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is 
>> there an alternative?
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>> 
>> 
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Re: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Richard Turner
Do they also use Zoom?
If so, the gesture is a quadruple three finger tap for screen curtain and a 
triple three finger tap to toggle speech on and off.
Those are the only VO gestures that Zoom impacts. 



Richard
"When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing 
can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong -- faster and faster 
and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a precipice 
does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late."

Bene Gesserit proverb from Dune by Frank Herbert (Quoted by Lady Jessica to 
Paul)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Apr 12, 2022, at 5:59 AM, Debby  wrote:
> 
> Hi Fanus,
> 
> I have two thoughts. First, especially if you are with the person, You could 
> go to settings, accessibility, voiceover and go to the voiceover practice. 
> Then the person could just practice to see if they can perfect the gesture. 
> 
> If that doesn't work, the gesture could be changed to something easier by 
> going to settings, accessibility, voiceover, commands, touch gestures. Once 
> on that screen look for the "screen curtain" and single-finger double tap. 
> Then you will get a list of all the voiceover gestures and you can choose the 
> one that will work for the screen curtain. Probably the best one to use will 
> be the back tap. On the screen with all of the gestures, the back tap area is 
> pretty far down the screen.
> 
> I hope that helps! 
> 
> Take care and stay safe!
> 
> Debby
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus 
> Buys
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alternative for turning screen curtain off
> 
> Hello list
> A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger 
> tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not 
> find something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is 
> there an alternative?
> Regards
> Fanus
> 
> 
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RE: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Debby
Hi Fanus,

I have two thoughts. First, especially if you are with the person, You could go 
to settings, accessibility, voiceover and go to the voiceover practice. Then 
the person could just practice to see if they can perfect the gesture. 

If that doesn't work, the gesture could be changed to something easier by going 
to settings, accessibility, voiceover, commands, touch gestures. Once on that 
screen look for the "screen curtain" and single-finger double tap. Then you 
will get a list of all the voiceover gestures and you can choose the one that 
will work for the screen curtain. Probably the best one to use will be the back 
tap. On the screen with all of the gestures, the back tap area is pretty far 
down the screen.

I hope that helps! 

Take care and stay safe!

Debby

  

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Buys
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Subject: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

Hello list
A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger 
tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not find 
something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is there an 
alternative?
Regards
Fanus



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Re: Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Daniel MacDonald
Use a Bluetooth keyboard and press control-option-shift-f11. 

> On Apr 12, 2022, at 8:40 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello list
> A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger
> tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not
> find something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is
> there an alternative?
> Regards
> Fanus
> 
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Alternative for turning screen curtain off

2022-04-12 Thread Fanus Buys
Hello list
A friend does not succeed to turn screen curtain off by doing a three finger
tripple tap on her iPhone 7. I looked at voiceOver settings but I can not
find something there. Turning the phone off and on again does not help. Is
there an alternative?
Regards
Fanus



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Re: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

2020-10-15 Thread Michael Hunter
Hello Richard
I live in Ashford Kent UK. You may find the following Apple Support page of
interest re Screen Curtain with VoiceOver for your Mac etc
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201443>.
I went to the Apple store at Bluewater and tried an Apple Watch Series 6.
1st Apple Watch that I have tried. Very impressed with it and hope to get
one very soon. I am also interested in the NaviLens technology.

Michael Hamilton Hunter

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 at 04:56, Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Simon, I only wanted to know the answer to what I asked, and I got that
> answer.
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
> 
>
> What is it you’re actually wanting to know?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 October 2020 5:15 am
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?
>
>
>
> I’m reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn’t about
> accessibility, I thought I’d ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.
>
> Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
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Re: To Richard Regarding Screen Curtain on Apple Watch

2020-10-10 Thread Shirley Baker
I am so glad I had mine turned off when I tried to update my watch to 7 because 
it would not talk and apple accessibility wouldn't have been able to help had 
the screen curtain been on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> Richard and anyone else who cares, you can find screen curtain by going to 
> the watch app on your phone, go to settings, double tap on accessibility, 
> voice over and swipe right and it is one swipe to the right after it says 
> raise to wake. 
> 
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Re: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

2020-10-09 Thread Richard Turner
Simon, I only wanted to know the answer to what I asked, and I got that answer.
Thanks,




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


What is it you’re actually wanting to know?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
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Subject: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

I’m reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn’t about accessibility, I 
thought I’d ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.
Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.
Thanks,


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RE: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

2020-10-09 Thread Simon A Fogarty
What is it you’re actually wanting to know?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2020 5:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

I’m reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn’t about accessibility, I 
thought I’d ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.
Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.
Thanks,


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"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
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Re: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

2020-10-09 Thread Marie N.
Richard, I have the screen curtain on with my series five and like on the 
phone, voiceover sees and reads everything with no problem. It just keeps 
others from seeing your screen.
Marie


From: Shirley Baker 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

Yes, it does


Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Richard Turner  
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  I’m reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn’t about accessibility, 
I thought I’d ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.

  Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.

  Thanks,

   

   

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

   

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RE: To Richard Regarding Screen Curtain on Apple Watch

2020-10-09 Thread Richard Turner
Thanks Shirley.
I amy end up not using it so my wife can quickly look at my watch when she 
wants, but good to know it is there.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Subject: To Richard Regarding Screen Curtain on Apple Watch

Richard and anyone else who cares, you can find screen curtain by going to the 
watch app on your phone, go to settings, double tap on accessibility, voice 
over and swipe right and it is one swipe to the right after it says raise to 
wake. 

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To Richard Regarding Screen Curtain on Apple Watch

2020-10-09 Thread Shirley Baker
Richard and anyone else who cares, you can find screen curtain by going to the 
watch app on your phone, go to settings, double tap on accessibility, voice 
over and swipe right and it is one swipe to the right after it says raise to 
wake. 

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Re: Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

2020-10-09 Thread Shirley Baker
Yes, it does

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn’t about accessibility, 
> I thought I’d ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.
> Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
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> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Does Apple Watch use Screen Curtain?

2020-10-09 Thread Richard Turner
I'm reading Apple Watch for Dummies, and since it isn't about accessibility, I 
thought I'd ask here about Screen Curtain on the watch.
Probably defeats the point of having a clockface, but mostly just curious.
Thanks,


Richard
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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-04 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yes but only as I got to them,

However I’m not talking about siri
I’m meaning the voice controls or commands that is a newer feature in the ios 
platform.



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Sent: Sunday, 3 May 2020 11:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Simon, did you read the conversation since the begining...
Lyne


Le 3 mai 2020 à 05:23, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> a écrit :

Actually what about a voice command,

Would it be possible to set a voice command that she could say and have it turn 
the curtain off.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: Saturday, 2 May 2020 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Hello Adam. I just had a brief poke around for a solution. Unfortunately, 
there's no toggle in VoiceOver settings for the screen curtain. Using Siri 
isn't an option since it seems to think you want to control curtains connected 
via the home kit. The only thought which occurs to me is going into the 
VoiceOver commands settings and changing the screen curtain gesture to some 
other gesture which isn't already used for something else and might be easier 
for her. I cover this sort of thing in the guide I just released last Monday. 
You'll find a link to my blog where you can find the guide. It's also on 
Applevis. Best of luck to you.
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:20 AM Adam Morris 
mailto:li...@damorris.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.





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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread Robin

JustWonderin':
Mr.Richard,
Have you (personally) Tested TheClaim, 
that  Apple's iOS Feature, VoiceControl  actually 
works on  The6S LineUp as Well as the (original) SE?


At 08:35 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:

Yes, but it works better on the newer devices with the faster processors.


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On May 2, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Robin  wrote:

 Hey Mr.Richard,

Does  the  VoiceControl from Apple's iOS13 
Extend to All of Apple's iOS Devices, which are 
capable of running  Apple's iOS13 From Apple's 
iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE to the 11 Series of Apple's iPhone?


Blessin'sAgain
At 06:52 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
Here is a link to a document I put together to 
try and show all the Voice Control commands. 
Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.

It was introduced in iOS 13.
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On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  18:04, Richard Turner 
 a écrit :


 If you have Voice Control turned on, 
Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off.

If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard

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On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via 
VIPhone  a écrit :



Using the voice control feature is perhaps 
the simplest solution. Once voice control 
is on and the necessary files have had 
time to download, you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off.

Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: <mailto:li...@damorris.com>Adam Morris
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To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viPhone
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has 
trouble with gesturing has their screen curtain on.

Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.




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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread Robin
Not to Derail ThisThread, but Can't Apple'sSiri 
Turn ON  & OFF WiFi? & If Apple'sSiri can  Do 
That, Then it  should Be Able to Turn ON  & 
OFF   a  Feature Built InTo  iOS, Like  VoiceOver's ScreenCurtain.

JustSayin

Thanks ForEnlightenin' Those of "us" on ThisThread, it's MuchAppreciated!
At 08:04 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
Hi Robin and everyone ,Robin, SIRI can't 
acctivate the Screen Curton off and on.  Siri 
can acctivate VoiceOver or diacctivate Voice  Over only.


× ×©×œ×— מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-3 ×‘×ž× ×™ 2020, בשעה 5:51, 
††Robin † כתב/ה:‬


 Hey Mr.Richard,

Does  the  VoiceControl from Apple's iOS13 
Extend to All of Apple's iOS Devices, which are 
capable of running  Apple's iOS13 From Apple's 
iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE to the 11 Series of Apple's iPhone?


Blessin'sAgain
At 06:52 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
Here is a link to a document I put together to 
try and show all the Voice Control commands. 
Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.

It was introduced in iOS 13.
'
<http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx>http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx 




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On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  18:04, Richard Turner 
 a écrit :


 If you have Voice Control turned on, 
Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off.

If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard

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the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via 
VIPhone  a écrit :



Using the voice control feature is perhaps 
the simplest solution. Once voice control 
is on and the necessary files have had 
time to download, you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off.

Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


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To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viPhone
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has 
trouble with gesturing has their screen curtain on.

Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.




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Re: Finding information about iPhone commands was Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread Richard Turner
They are all in the Voice Control area in Accessibility settings.
I have not run across another list in one place.
During the beta last year, I just went through each section, took a screen 
shot, ran them through Voice Dream Scanner and edited it all into that document.
I put other lists with the VoiceOver gestures, braille commands, etc on my web 
site.
No guarantees that I got everything, but they are at www.turner42.com
I'm glad you found find that helpful.


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On May 3, 2020, at 4:27 AM, "ann...@sbcglobal.net"  wrote:


Richard,

This is an awesome list.  Where do you find something like it?

Thx,


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Control commands. Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.
It was introduced in iOS 13.
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 Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.
Lyne


Le 2 mai 2020 à 18:04, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> a écrit :
 If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off.
If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.

Richard
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mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?
Lyne


Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> a écrit :

Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: Adam Morris<mailto:li...@damorris.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: viPhone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.




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Finding information about iPhone commands was Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread annakb
Richard,

 

This is an awesome list.  Where do you find something like it?  

 

Thx,

 

 

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Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

 

Here is a link to a document I put together to try and show all the Voice 
Control commands. Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.

It was introduced in iOS 13.

'

http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx 

 

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On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com 
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 Hello, 

Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?

If yes, in french it doesn't work.

If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne





Le 2 mai 2020 à 18:04, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > a écrit :

 If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off. 

If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 

 





On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com 
<mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com> " mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 Hello, 

Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne





Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > a écrit :

 

Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 

Harry





On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

 

Dave.

 

 

From: Adam Morris <mailto:li...@damorris.com>  

Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM

To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

 

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread l . d . ethier23
Simon, did you read the conversation since the begining...

Lyne

> Le 3 mai 2020 à 05:23, Simon A Fogarty  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Actually what about a voice command,
>  
> Would it be possible to set a voice command that she could say and have it 
> turn the curtain off.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Feir
> Sent: Saturday, 2 May 2020 10:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?
>  
> Hello Adam. I just had a brief poke around for a solution. Unfortunately, 
> there's no toggle in VoiceOver settings for the screen curtain. Using Siri 
> isn't an option since it seems to think you want to control curtains 
> connected via the home kit. The only thought which occurs to me is going into 
> the VoiceOver commands settings and changing the screen curtain gesture to 
> some other gesture which isn't already used for something else and might be 
> easier for her. I cover this sort of thing in the guide I just released last 
> Monday. You'll find a link to my blog where you can find the guide. It's also 
> on Applevis. Best of luck to you.
> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:20 AM Adam Morris  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
> curtain on.
> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
> TIA.
> 
> 
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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Did you not read the original email
Age and dexterity are an issue.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
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Sent: Saturday, 2 May 2020 11:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Turning screen curtain off?

Yes that is good but wouldn’t a 2 finger dubble tap or 3 or 4 finger one work 
just as well. From Mich.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
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Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Oh yes! Nice one Hary. That should work.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


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Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Actually what about a voice command,

Would it be possible to set a voice command that she could say and have it turn 
the curtain off.



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Sent: Saturday, 2 May 2020 10:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Hello Adam. I just had a brief poke around for a solution. Unfortunately, 
there's no toggle in VoiceOver settings for the screen curtain. Using Siri 
isn't an option since it seems to think you want to control curtains connected 
via the home kit. The only thought which occurs to me is going into the 
VoiceOver commands settings and changing the screen curtain gesture to some 
other gesture which isn't already used for something else and might be easier 
for her. I cover this sort of thing in the guide I just released last Monday. 
You'll find a link to my blog where you can find the guide. It's also on 
Applevis. Best of luck to you.
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:20 AM Adam Morris 
mailto:li...@damorris.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.




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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Adam,


Is there anything within the mobility settings under accessibility on the device
Such as the assistive touch that might help the person out?

Or can siri switch screen curtain off / on?

It didn’t like it when I tried but then I may have used the wrong term.


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Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.




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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-03 Thread 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
You can, of course, use Siri to turn voice control on - and, when you’re 
finished, give the voice control command Turn off voice control, then give the 
command Tap Execute and you are back to normal!
Harry

> On 3 May 2020, at 03:47, Robin  wrote:
> 
>  Interesting Thread:
> I'll StayTuned
> 
> To Answer YourQuestion, I  (Think)  ThatPerson meant VoiceControl, which was 
> Released in Apple's iOS13, But am unsure if the VoiceControl  is "available" 
> to All the iOSDevices that is Capable of running Apple's iOS13.
> &
> I'm interested to "know" if Apple's Siri  can Activate or Toggle  VoiceOver's 
> ScreenCurtain ON & OFF, Like Samsung's Bixby can Do with VoiceAssistant's 
> DarkScreen on Galaxy MobilePhones, which operates on Samsung's 1UI & 
> Google'sAndroid
> 
> Blessin's to All on ThisThread
>  
> At 06:36 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
>> If yes, in french it doesn't work.
>> If not, give me more explanation please.
>> 
>> Lyne
>> 
>>> Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  18:04, Richard Turner  a 
>>> écrit :
>>> 
>>>  If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and 
>>> the screen curtain will toggle between on and off. 
>>> If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>> www.turner42.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Hello, 
>>>> Can you give more informations how to do it?
>>>> 
>>>> Lyne
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>>>  a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once 
>>>>> voice control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, 
>>>>> you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
>>>>> Harry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Adam Morris 
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
>>>>>> To: viPhone 
>>>>>> Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
>>>>>> screen curtain on.
>>>>>> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Richard Turner
Yes, but it works better on the newer devices with the faster processors.


Richard
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just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On May 2, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Robin  wrote:

 Hey Mr.Richard,

Does  the  VoiceControl from Apple's iOS13 Extend to All of Apple's iOS 
Devices, which are capable of running  Apple's iOS13 From Apple's iPhone6S & 
iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE to the 11 Series of Apple's iPhone?

Blessin'sAgain
At 06:52 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
Here is a link to a document I put together to try and show all the Voice 
Control commands. Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.
It was introduced in iOS 13.
'
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Richard

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just stops you from enjoying the good."

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On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  
wrote:

 Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 à 18:04, Richard Turner  a écrit :

 If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off.
If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

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wrote:

 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  a 
écrit :


Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


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curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Liel Ben Simonליאל בן סימון
Hi Robin and everyone ,Robin, SIRI can't acctivate the Screen Curton off and 
on.  Siri can acctivate VoiceOver or diacctivate Voice  Over only. 

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-3 במאי 2020, בשעה 5:51, ‏‏Robin ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
>  Hey Mr.Richard,
> 
> Does  the  VoiceControl from Apple's iOS13 Extend to All of Apple's iOS 
> Devices, which are capable of running  Apple's iOS13 From Apple's iPhone6S & 
> iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE to the 11 Series of Apple's iPhone? 
> 
> Blessin'sAgain
> At 06:52 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
>> Here is a link to a document I put together to try and show all the Voice 
>> Control commands. Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.
>> It was introduced in iOS 13.
>> '
>> http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>> 
>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>> www.turner42.com 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hello, 
>>> Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
>>> If yes, in french it doesn't work.
>>> If not, give me more explanation please.
>>> 
>>> Lyne
>>> 
>>>> Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  18:04, Richard Turner  a 
>>>> écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>  If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" 
>>>> and the screen curtain will toggle between on and off. 
>>>> If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>>> 
>>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>>> www.turner42.com 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Hello, 
>>>>> Can you give more informations how to do it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lyne
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>>>>  a écrit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once 
>>>>>> voice control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, 
>>>>>> you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> From: Adam Morris 
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: viPhone 
>>>>>>> Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
>>>>>>> screen curtain on.
>>>>>>> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
>>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Robin

Hey Mr.Richard,

Does  the  VoiceControl from Apple's iOS13 Extend 
to All of Apple's iOS Devices, which are capable 
of running  Apple's iOS13 From Apple's iPhone6S & 
iPhone6S+ & iPhoneSE to the 11 Series of Apple's iPhone?


Blessin'sAgain
At 06:52 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:
Here is a link to a document I put together to 
try and show all the Voice Control commands. 
Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.

It was introduced in iOS 13.
'
<http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx>http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx 




Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the 
bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


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On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  18:04, Richard Turner 
 a écrit :


 If you have Voice Control turned on, Say 
"voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the screen 
curtain will toggle between on and off.

If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop 
the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via 
VIPhone  a écrit :



Using the voice control feature is perhaps 
the simplest solution. Once voice control is 
on and the necessary files have had time to 
download, you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off.

Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: <mailto:li...@damorris.com>Adam Morris
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viPhone
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has 
trouble with gesturing has their screen curtain on.

Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Robin

Interesting Thread:
I'll StayTuned

To Answer YourQuestion, I  (Think)  ThatPerson 
meant VoiceControl, which was Released in Apple's 
iOS13, But am unsure if the VoiceControl  is 
"available" to All the iOSDevices that is Capable of running Apple's iOS13.

&
I'm interested to "know" if Apple's Siri  can 
Activate or Toggle  VoiceOver's ScreenCurtain ON 
& OFF, Like Samsung's Bixby can Do with 
VoiceAssistant's DarkScreen on Galaxy 
MobilePhones, which operates on Samsung's 1UI & Google'sAndroid


Blessin's to All on ThisThread

At 06:36 PM 5/2/2020, you wrote:

Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  18:04, Richard Turner 
 a écrit :


 If you have Voice Control turned on, Say 
"voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the screen 
curtain will toggle between on and off.

If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop 
the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, 
"l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  wrote:


 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 Ã  07:38, 'Harry Bell' via 
VIPhone  a écrit :



Using the voice control feature is perhaps 
the simplest solution. Once voice control is 
on and the necessary files have had time to 
download, you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off.

Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: <mailto:li...@damorris.com>Adam Morris
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viPhone
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has 
trouble with gesturing has their screen curtain on.

Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread l . d . ethier23
Great! I'll take a look!

Lyne

> Le 2 mai 2020 à 21:52, Richard Turner  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Here is a link to a document I put together to try and show all the Voice 
> Control commands. Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.
> It was introduced in iOS 13.
> '
> http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>  Hello,
>> Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
>> If yes, in french it doesn't work.
>> If not, give me more explanation please.
>> 
>> Lyne
>> 
>>> Le 2 mai 2020 à 18:04, Richard Turner  a écrit 
>>> :
>>> 
>>>  If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and 
>>> the screen curtain will toggle between on and off.
>>> If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Hello,
>>>> Can you give more informations how to do it?
>>>> 
>>>> Lyne
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>>>  a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once 
>>>>> voice control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, 
>>>>> you can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
>>>>> Harry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Adam Morris
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
>>>>>> To: viPhone
>>>>>> Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
>>>>>> screen curtain on.
>>>>>> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Richard Turner
Here is a link to a document I put together to try and show all the Voice 
Control commands. Voice Control has nothing to do with Siri.
It was introduced in iOS 13.
'
http://www.turner42.com/VoiceControlCommandsList.docx


Richard
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On May 2, 2020, at 6:37 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  
wrote:

 Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 à 18:04, Richard Turner  a écrit :

 If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off.
If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  
wrote:

 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  a 
écrit :


Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: Adam Morris<mailto:li...@damorris.com>
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To: viPhone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread l . d . ethier23
Hello,
Do you mean Siri when you said voice control?
If yes, in french it doesn't work.
If not, give me more explanation please.

Lyne

> Le 2 mai 2020 à 18:04, Richard Turner  a écrit :
> 
>  If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
> screen curtain will toggle between on and off.
> If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>  Hello,
>> Can you give more informations how to do it?
>> 
>> Lyne
>> 
>>> Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
>>> a écrit :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once 
>>> voice control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you 
>>> can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>>>>  
>>>> Dave.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: Adam Morris
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
>>>> To: viPhone
>>>> Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
>>>>  
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
>>>> screen curtain on.
>>>> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
>>>> TIA.
>>>> 
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Marie
This thread began because her friend has mobility issues and can not perform 
the three finger triple tap!




Marie
-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn

Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning screen curtain off?

Just triple-tap with three fingers for on or off - a toggle.

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Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?


Lyne


Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  a 
écrit :





Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can 
give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off.

Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:




Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: Adam Morris <mailto:li...@damorris.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
screen curtain on.

Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Carolyn
Just triple-tap with three fingers for on or off - a toggle. 

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l.d.ethie...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?


Lyne


Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 a écrit :




Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once 
voice control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can 
give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
Harry


On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:



 
Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
 
Dave.
 
 
From: Adam Morris <mailto:li...@damorris.com>  
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
 
Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing 
has their screen curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger 
triple tap?
TIA.



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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Richard Turner
If you have Voice Control turned on, Say "voiceOver Screen Curtain" and the 
screen curtain will toggle between on and off.
If its on, it will turn off; if off, then on.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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wrote:

 Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  a 
écrit :


Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


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To: viPhone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread l . d . ethier23
Hello,
Can you give more informations how to do it?

Lyne

> Le 2 mai 2020 à 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  a 
> écrit :
> 
> 
> Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
> control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give 
>  a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
> Harry
> 
>>> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Adam Morris
>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
>> To: viPhone
>> Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
>> screen curtain on.
>> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
>> TIA.
>> 
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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Richard Turner
Reggie,
Have you tried putting the onscreen keyboard into caps lock since you set up 
that gesture?
Now in iOS 13, you need a one finger quadruple tap to activate caps lock.
I’m curious if your gesture overrides that one.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

You can also set up another gesture that is not being used by one of the iPhone 
gestures to do the  three finger triple tap for the screen curtain. I used one 
finger quadruple tap.

 Reggie Alvarado

On May 2, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Mitch,
A two or four finger double tap have nothing to do with the screen curtain.
The original question was to help someone who cannot do the three finger 
gesture, so it comes down to Voice Control, which is there to make it possible 
for someone without use of their hands, or at least not effective use of their 
hands to access everything on an iOS device with or without VoiceOver.



Richard
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Turning screen curtain off?

Yes that is good but wouldn’t a 2 finger dubble tap or 3 or 4 finger one work 
just as well. From Mich.

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Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Oh yes! Nice one Hary. That should work.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


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Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.




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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread regina alvarado
You can also set up another gesture that is not being used by one of the iPhone 
gestures to do the  three finger triple tap for the screen curtain. I used one 
finger quadruple tap. 

 Reggie Alvarado 

On May 2, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:


Mitch,
A two or four finger double tap have nothing to do with the screen curtain.
The original question was to help someone who cannot do the three finger 
gesture, so it comes down to Voice Control, which is there to make it possible 
for someone without use of their hands, or at least not effective use of their 
hands to access everything on an iOS device with or without VoiceOver.
 
 
 
Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning screen curtain off?
 
Yes that is good but wouldn’t a 2 finger dubble tap or 3 or 4 finger one work 
just as well. From Mich.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Feir
Sent: May 2, 2020 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?
 
Oh yes! Nice one Hary. That should work.
 
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:
Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
Harry
 

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:


Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
 
Dave.
 
 
From: Adam Morris
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: viPhone
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
 
Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Richard Turner
Mitch,
A two or four finger double tap have nothing to do with the screen curtain.
The original question was to help someone who cannot do the three finger 
gesture, so it comes down to Voice Control, which is there to make it possible 
for someone without use of their hands, or at least not effective use of their 
hands to access everything on an iOS device with or without VoiceOver.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning screen curtain off?

Yes that is good but wouldn’t a 2 finger dubble tap or 3 or 4 finger one work 
just as well. From Mich.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: May 2, 2020 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

Oh yes! Nice one Hary. That should work.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
Harry

On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: Adam Morris<mailto:li...@damorris.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
To: viPhone<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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RE: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Mich Verrier
Yes that is good but wouldn’t a 2 finger dubble tap or 3 or 4 finger one work 
just as well. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Feir
Sent: May 2, 2020 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Turning screen curtain off?

 

Oh yes! Nice one Hary. That should work.

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 

Harry





On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

 

Dave.

 

 

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To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

 

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.





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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Michael Feir
Oh yes! Nice one Hary. That should work.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone <
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> Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once
> voice control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you
> can give  a command to turn screen curtain on or off.
> Harry
>
> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> *From:* Adam Morris 
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
> *To:* viPhone 
> *Subject:* Turning screen curtain off?
>
> Hi all,
> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their
> screen curtain on.
> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
> TIA.
>
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
Using the voice control feature is perhaps the simplest solution. Once voice 
control is on and the necessary files have had time to download, you can give  
a command to turn screen curtain on or off. 
Harry

> On 2 May 2020, at 12:24, Dave  wrote:
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> 
> Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Adam Morris
> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:19 AM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Turning screen curtain off?
>  
> Hi all,
> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
> curtain on.
> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
> TIA.
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Dave
Hi Adam. He could try asking Siri, to turn off screen curtain.

Dave.


From: Adam Morris 
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Subject: Turning screen curtain off?

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
curtain on.
Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.



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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread l . d . ethier23
Yes!?True, I forgot this option.

Lyne

> Le 2 mai 2020 à 06:43, Michael Feir  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Hello Adam. I just had a brief poke around for a solution. Unfortunately, 
> there's no toggle in VoiceOver settings for the screen curtain. Using Siri 
> isn't an option since it seems to think you want to control curtains 
> connected via the home kit. The only thought which occurs to me is going into 
> the VoiceOver commands settings and changing the screen curtain gesture to 
> some other gesture which isn't already used for something else and might be 
> easier for her. I cover this sort of thing in the guide I just released last 
> Monday. You'll find a link to my blog where you can find the guide. It's also 
> on Applevis. Best of luck to you.
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>> Hi all,
>> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
>> screen curtain on.
>> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
>> TIA.
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread l . d . ethier23
Hello,
Don't think... Siri cannot do it. You can practice this gesture on a table. 
Quick triple tape with Three fingers with a little space between each and 
important, use the soft part of the finger,
The secret, taking your time.  

Lyne

> Le 2 mai 2020 à 06:20, Adam Morris  a écrit :
> 
>  Hi all,
> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their screen 
> curtain on.
> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
> TIA.
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Re: Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Michael Feir
Hello Adam. I just had a brief poke around for a solution. Unfortunately,
there's no toggle in VoiceOver settings for the screen curtain. Using Siri
isn't an option since it seems to think you want to control curtains
connected via the home kit. The only thought which occurs to me is going
into the VoiceOver commands settings and changing the screen curtain
gesture to some other gesture which isn't already used for something else
and might be easier for her. I cover this sort of thing in the guide I just
released last Monday. You'll find a link to my blog where you can find the
guide. It's also on Applevis. Best of luck to you.
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:20 AM Adam Morris  wrote:

> Hi all,
> Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their
> screen curtain on.
> Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
> TIA.
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Turning screen curtain off?

2020-05-02 Thread Adam Morris

Hi all,
Someone I know who is elderly and has trouble with gesturing has their 
screen curtain on.

Is there any way to turn it off without using the 3 finger triple tap?
TIA.


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RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-21 Thread Carolyn Arnold
I'll put it this way, none of the sighted people who know and love me would 
bother with it, too hard. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Low vision users may, but give e 1 single reason why a sighted person would 
turn on Voiceover and then turn on the screen curtain, at that point they are 
putting themselves on the same level as a blind person with respect to using 
their phone, they can’t see the screen and would have to rely entirely on 
Voiceover to double tap on things, they couldn’t swipe to answer a call and if 
they wanted to type something they couldn’t just tap away at lightning speed as 
many especially younger sighted people who grew up with touchscreens can do. 
This would almost be like a sighted person putting on a blindfold and walking 
around with a white cane, there simply is no reason for it.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Oh, come on!  The world isn’t so black and white!  
Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain. 

 

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On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net> > wrote:

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe 
all those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO 
on to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have 
not ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I 
unsub from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply 
stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it 
comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover 
and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a 
feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain 
as a stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
    Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I 
unsub from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

    Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more 
time.  I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends 
using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher 
using it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite 
often.  I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the 
reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain 
if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe 
some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use 
the screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a 
sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed 
most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone 
off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns 
on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. 
 They might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if 
they want to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 


RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Low vision users may, but give e 1 single reason why a sighted person would 
turn on Voiceover and then turn on the screen curtain, at that point they are 
putting themselves on the same level as a blind person with respect to using 
their phone, they can’t see the screen and would have to rely entirely on 
Voiceover to double tap on things, they couldn’t swipe to answer a call and if 
they wanted to type something they couldn’t just tap away at lightning speed as 
many especially younger sighted people who grew up with touchscreens can do. 
This would almost be like a sighted person putting on a blindfold and walking 
around with a white cane, there simply is no reason for it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Oh, come on!  The world isn’t so black and white!
Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed 
mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Sieghard and Janet,
I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Sieghard and all,
Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!
So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.
Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted 

Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-20 Thread Pete Nalda
Oh, come on!  The world isn’t so black and white!  
Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain. 

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> On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard and Janet,
> I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
> those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO 
> on to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have 
> not ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
> screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
> from this list)
>  
> I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
> experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
> using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
> I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
> can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
> which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
> stand-alone accessibility feature.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
> gross
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
> from this list)
>  
> Sieghard and all,  
> Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
> I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends 
> using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school 
> teacher using it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this 
> quite often.  I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, 
> and the reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this 
> screen curtain if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on 
> or off.  Maybe some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is 
> the reason I use the screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t 
> matter to me if a sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature.  
> Although, I have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when 
> either they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri 
> to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want 
> the kids to see her phone screen.  They might not even realize they are using 
> an accessibility feature, so if they want to, so be it! 
> So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
> accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
> all are certainly entitled to our own opinions. 
> Please let’s not turn this in to bashing. 
>  
> Janet
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
> from this list)
>  
> I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
> people know about the screen curtain?
> I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
> where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
> folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and 
> that includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales 
> rep to show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to 
> show to my employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a 
> picture when Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to 
> double tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture 
> button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on 
> the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, 
> your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”.
> I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
> people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain 
> on and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time 
> which is displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course 
> get luck

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-20 Thread Karen Poulakos
I’m not sure they could even access the screen curtain without first turning on 
Voiceover.

 

Karen P

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-20 Thread Cristobal Muñoz
Indeed. It more sounds like if sighted people are telling you that they’re 
using screen curtain, they’re most likely messing with you.

There’s no real conceivable reason why a sighted person would use this specific 
accessibility related feature for the blind as opposed to say another general 
accessibility one that may lend itself to a more mainstream application. 
Regularly encountering its usage by sighted folks in the wild also sounds  
charitably speaking … implausible.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-20 Thread Mr. Ed
Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Marcio, 

How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL! 

Janet 

 

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain

2019-06-19 Thread Carolyn Arnold
Same with my husband. In fact, I turn off Screen Curtain and VoiceOver. He 
taught electronics in community college and was a printer, so is a computer 
whiz, but not so with blind stuff on phones. 

We're like people talking politics. We think what we think and some think what 
they think, so we can just think what we think and let the world rock on. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Sieghard Weitzel 
Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain

Obviously there are some sighted people who know all about accessibility and 
some sighted people who don't know anything about it at all. I'd be surprised 
if a sighted person was using voiceOver though, since it changes the gesture 
set. A sighted person who isn't running VoiceOver can just touch an object on 
the screen, if they're running voiceOver they have to touch the object on the 
screen and then double tap the screen. I find it hard to believe a lot of 
sighted people would put up with this just to use the screen curtain. 
Furthermore, I think most sighted people would want to see the screen while 
they're using it, and if they're not going to use it, then the screen is going 
to just lock anyway, so I'm not sure why a sighted person would even bother 
with the screen curtain.




My wife is sighted, so she knows something about accessibility and VoiceOver, 
but she doesn't use screen curtain, and every time I hand her my phone I have 
to talk her through disabling the screen curtain and how she has to touch 
something and then double tap the screen. Obviously, I'll turn off VoiceOver 
before I hand her my phone, if I can.





On 6/19/19 11:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply 
stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it 
comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover 
and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a 
feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain 
as a stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I 
unsub from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more 
time.  I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends 
using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher 
using it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite 
often.  I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the 
reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain 
if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe 
some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use 
the screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a 
sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed 
most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone 
off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns 
on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. 
 They might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if 
they want to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I 
unsub from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some 
sighted people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a 
small town where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some 
elderly folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people 
and that includes going to buying shows where I often

Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain

2019-06-19 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Obviously there are some sighted people who know all about accessibility 
and some sighted people who don't know anything about it at all. I'd be 
surprised if a sighted person was using voiceOver though, since it 
changes the gesture set. A sighted person who isn't running VoiceOver 
can just touch an object on the screen, if they're running voiceOver 
they have to touch the object on the screen and then double tap the 
screen. I find it hard to believe a lot of sighted people would put up 
with this just to use the screen curtain. Furthermore, I think most 
sighted people would want to see the screen while they're using it, and 
if they're not going to use it, then the screen is going to just lock 
anyway, so I'm not sure why a sighted person would even bother with the 
screen curtain.



My wife is sighted, so she knows something about accessibility and 
VoiceOver, but she doesn't use screen curtain, and every time I hand her 
my phone I have to talk her through disabling the screen curtain and how 
she has to touch something and then double tap the screen. Obviously, 
I'll turn off VoiceOver before I hand her my phone, if I can.



On 6/19/19 11:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply 
stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are 
when it comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.


I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover 
and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since 
that is a feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn 
on screen curtain as a stand-alone accessibility feature.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *janet gross

*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how 
do I unsub from this list)


Sieghard and all,

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more 
time.  I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as 
my friends using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my 
Niece’s school teacher using it.  please don’t ask me why, but the 
fact remains, I see this quite often.  I’ve even been on a public bus, 
and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason I know this is because 
they either tell me they like this screen curtain if they know me, or 
I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some sighted 
people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a 
sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I 
have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either 
they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri 
to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she 
doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. They might not even 
realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want to, 
so be it!


So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about 
it.  We all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.


Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.

Janet

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how 
do I unsub from this list)


I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some 
sighted people know about the screen curtain?


I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a 
small town where the only other few visually impaired or blind people 
are some elderly folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively 
with sighted people and that includes going to buying shows where I 
often pass my phone to a sales rep to show him a picture or ask 
him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my employees. I 
rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double 
tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture 
button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often 
turn on the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the 
comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”.


I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 
sighted people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the 
screen curtain on and asked them the simple question whether they can 
tell you the time which is displayed on the phone that none of them 
could. You might of course get lucky and somebody may have a blind 
friend or family member who may have told them about the scr

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-19 Thread Fazil
I share your experience, I have noticed that too.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Marcio, 

How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL! 

Janet 

 

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

2019-06-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Sieghard and all,
Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!
So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.
Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.
I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Hi Marcio,
How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL!
Janet

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers,
Marcio<https://tin

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