Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[regina alvarado]

 Not necessarily true that iOS won’t update on its own. 16.41 definitely 
updated on its own on my phone and I didn’t have it on cord. Suddenly it said 
that there was no update and when I checked it there was no update to download. 
That is the first time that’s ever happened to me. I am going to turn off all 
the automatic download messages, so it is all manual.



Reggie Alvarado 

On Apr 9, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Maybe "flawless" is a bit too strong of a description because even when Apple 
releases the last version of a current major version before the next new 
version comes out, there are still some bugs present.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

I'd never encourage or discourage anyone from updating IOS, but I'm not sure 
Ive ever seen a flawless   OS.

—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it 
> was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring 
> when Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never 
> did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I 
>> didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 
>> 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some 
>> reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is 
>> on. I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing 
>> they just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have 
>> to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an 
>> iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
>> case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it 
>> time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod 
>> touch blog
>> 
>> Hi folks:
>> 
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the 
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later 
>> it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. 
>> I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it 
>> updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned 
>> off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of 
>> that
>> 
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 
>>> 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>> 
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>> 
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things 
>>> that we like about the iPhone in particular
>>> 
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes 
>>> it introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>> 
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any 
>>> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install 
>>> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>> 
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that 
>>> someone else found the bugs instead.
>>> 
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>> 
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
>>>

RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Dennis Long]

You will never have a bug free experience.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was plagued 
with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when Apple squashed most 
of them.  I was nagged to update but never did until I was ready to enjoy a 
flawless experience.

Kelly



On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I 
> didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 
> 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some 
> reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. 
> I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing they 
> just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have to 
> enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an iOS 
> update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the case 
> and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael McKay
> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time 
> we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch 
> blog
>
> Hi folks:
>
> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the 
> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later 
> it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. 
> I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it 
> updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned 
> off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of 
> that
>
> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 
>> 6,
>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>
>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
>> installing them?
>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>
>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things 
>> that we like about the iPhone in particular
>>
>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it 
>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>
>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any 
>> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install 
>> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>
>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone 
>> else found the bugs instead.
>>
>> We've been here before
>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>
>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some 
>> way or another.
>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an 
>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are 
>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service 
>> running on every restart?
>>
>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. 
>> Things are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can 
>> cope with opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing 
>> with my opinion.
>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>
>> New iOS and macOS problems
>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report 
>> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a 
>> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead 
>> in the water.
>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device 
>> when you paste is the thing of magic.

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Arnold Schmidt]

I got my iphone 5 in October, 2012, with IOS6 on it. The worst IOS update I 
remembaer was  IOS 8. I don't remember all the details now, but among other 
things, there was something majorly wrong with the telephone part. That is why 
I waited  until April, 2015, after 8.3 was released to get my Iphone 6. I 
usually wait until the first major update to a new ios is released before 
installing it, I didn't install16 until 16.2. I kno w it says all these updates 
contain security updates, they very well may, but  I'll bet there is  a little 
propaganda there, too, so  people will   install the update right away. I will 
never turn automatic updating on,  I want to tell it when myself.  

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Apr 8, 2023, at 9:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was
plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when
Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never did
until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.

Kelly



On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't
> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is
> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay
> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people
> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update
> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at
> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009
> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates
> if you don't want them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Michael McKay
> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we
> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
> 
> Hi folks:
> 
> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the
> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will
> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on
> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own
> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let
> folks know that so please be aware of that
> 
> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
>> installing them?
>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that
>> we like about the iPhone in particular
>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other
>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the
>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm
>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone
>> else found the bugs instead.
>> We've been here before
>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some,
>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without
>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or
>> another.
>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are
>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service
>> running on every restart?
>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things
>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my
>> opinion.
>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>> New iOS and macOS problems
>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS

RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What does Windows Enterprise 11 have to do with anything related to the iPhone?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

totally agree. that is why my iPhone is not going to be used after if fisically 
does not boot. I bought the enterprize edition of Windows 11 for this exact 
reason. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it 
> was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring 
> when Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never 
> did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I 
>> didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 
>> 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some 
>> reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is 
>> on. I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing 
>> they just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have 
>> to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an 
>> iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
>> case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it 
>> time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod 
>> touch blog
>> 
>> Hi folks:
>> 
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the 
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later 
>> it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. 
>> I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it 
>> updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned 
>> off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of 
>> that
>> 
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 
>>> 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>> 
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>> 
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things 
>>> that we like about the iPhone in particular
>>> 
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes 
>>> it introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>> 
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any 
>>> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install 
>>> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>> 
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that 
>>> someone else found the bugs instead.
>>> 
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>> 
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
>>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some 
>>> way or another.
>>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's 
>>> an argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things 
>>> are as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or 
>>> service running on every restart?
>>> 
>>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. 
>>> Things are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can 

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Daniel MacDonald]

totally agree. that is why my iPhone is not going to be used after if fisically 
does not boot. I bought the enterprize edition of Windows 11 for this exact 
reason. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was
> plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when
> Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never did
> until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't
>> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is
>> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay
>> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people
>> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update
>> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at
>> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009
>> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates
>> if you don't want them.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we
>> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
>> 
>> Hi folks:
>> 
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will
>> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on
>> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own
>> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let
>> folks know that so please be aware of that
>> 
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>> 
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>> 
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that
>>> we like about the iPhone in particular
>>> 
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
>>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>> 
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other
>>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the
>>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>> 
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone
>>> else found the bugs instead.
>>> 
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some,
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>> 
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without
>>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or
>>> another.
>>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
>>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are
>>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service
>>> running on every restart?
>>> 
>>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things
>>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
>>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my
>>> opinion.
>>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>> 
>>> New iOS and macOS problems
>>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report
>>> that they can't make Continuity w

RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Steve Cook]

Same here, I have always had to enter my pin and agree to Apples bla, bla, bla 
agreement, LOL!

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't 
want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is 
certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay on 
iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people accidently 
tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update install later, 
but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never 
done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
McKay
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

Hi folks:

It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the computer 
being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will update on 
its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on my own phone 
and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own even if the 
automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let folks know 
that so please be aware of that

Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.

Cheers!

Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
> 2023 at 8:41 AM
> 
> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
> installing them?
> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
> 
> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that 
> we like about the iPhone in particular
> 
> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it 
> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
> 
> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other 
> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the 
> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
> 
> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone 
> else found the bugs instead.
> 
> We've been here before
> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
> 
> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or 
> another.
> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an 
> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are 
> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service 
> running on every restart?
> 
> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things 
> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with 
> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion.
> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
> 
> New iOS and macOS problems
> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report 
> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a 
> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the 
> water.
> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when 
> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, 
> doesn't.
> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are 
> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they do

RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe "flawless" is a bit too strong of a description because even when Apple 
releases the last version of a current major version before the next new 
version comes out, there are still some bugs present.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

I'd never encourage or discourage anyone from updating IOS, but I'm not sure 
Ive ever seen a flawless   OS.

—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it 
> was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring 
> when Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never 
> did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I 
>> didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 
>> 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some 
>> reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is 
>> on. I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing 
>> they just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have 
>> to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an 
>> iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
>> case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it 
>> time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod 
>> touch blog
>>
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the 
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later 
>> it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. 
>> I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it 
>> updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned 
>> off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of 
>> that
>>
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 
>>> 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>>
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>>
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things 
>>> that we like about the iPhone in particular
>>>
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes 
>>> it introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>>
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any 
>>> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install 
>>> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>>
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that 
>>> someone else found the bugs instead.
>>>
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>>
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
>>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some 
>>> way or another.
>>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's 
>>> an argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things 
>>> are as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or 
>>> service running on every restart?
>>>
>>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore,

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd never encourage or discourage anyone from updating IOS, but I'm not sure 
Ive ever seen a flawless   OS.

—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was
> plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when
> Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never did
> until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't
>> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is
>> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay
>> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people
>> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update
>> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at
>> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009
>> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates
>> if you don't want them.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we
>> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
>>
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will
>> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on
>> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own
>> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let
>> folks know that so please be aware of that
>>
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>>
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>>
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that
>>> we like about the iPhone in particular
>>>
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
>>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>>
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other
>>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the
>>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>>
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone
>>> else found the bugs instead.
>>>
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some,
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>>
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without
>>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or
>>> another.
>>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
>>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are
>>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service
>>> running on every restart?
>>>
>>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things
>>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
>>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my
>>> opinion.
>>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>>
>>> New iOS and macOS problems
>>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report
>>> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a
>>> mess 

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Kelly Pierce]

For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was
plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when
Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never did
until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.

Kelly



On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't
> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is
> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay
> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people
> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update
> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at
> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009
> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates
> if you don't want them.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Michael McKay
> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we
> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
>
> Hi folks:
>
> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the
> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will
> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on
> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own
> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let
> folks know that so please be aware of that
>
> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>
>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
>> installing them?
>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>
>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that
>> we like about the iPhone in particular
>>
>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>
>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other
>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the
>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>
>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm
>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone
>> else found the bugs instead.
>>
>> We've been here before
>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some,
>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>
>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without
>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or
>> another.
>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are
>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service
>> running on every restart?
>>
>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things
>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my
>> opinion.
>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>
>> New iOS and macOS problems
>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report
>> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a
>> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the
>> water.
>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when
>> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just,
>> doesn't.
>> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are
>> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't,
>> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
>> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should
>> expect software updates not to break things th

RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't 
want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is 
certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay on 
iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people accidently 
tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update install later, 
but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never 
done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
McKay
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

Hi folks:

It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the computer 
being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will update on 
its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on my own phone 
and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own even if the 
automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let folks know 
that so please be aware of that

Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.

Cheers!

Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, 
> 2023 at 8:41 AM
> 
> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
> installing them?
> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
> 
> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that 
> we like about the iPhone in particular
> 
> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it 
> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
> 
> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other 
> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the 
> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
> 
> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone 
> else found the bugs instead.
> 
> We've been here before
> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
> 
> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or 
> another.
> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an 
> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are 
> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service 
> running on every restart?
> 
> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things 
> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with 
> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion.
> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
> 
> New iOS and macOS problems
> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report 
> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a 
> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the 
> water.
> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when 
> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, 
> doesn't.
> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are 
> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, 
> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should 
> expect software updates not to break things that were working before. 
> The first rule of software updates should be that they leave devices 
> in a better state than before they were installed. And that isn't what we're 
> seeing.
> 
> The Home app has gone backward in iOS 16.4, too. People say their 
> accessories don't work, or work intermittently which might be even 
> more infuriating. Apple has had problems with HomeKit before, and a 
> new architecture seems to be causing problems all over again after it 
> was pulled from iOS 16.2 for similar issues.
> We can hopefully expect these issues to be fixed in the next release, 
> whenever that will arrive.
&

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Michael McKay]

Hi folks:

It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the computer 
being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will update on 
its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on my own phone 
and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own even if the 
automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let folks know 
that so please be aware of that

Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.

Cheers!

Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, 2023
> at 8:41 AM
> 
> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
> installing them?
> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
> 
> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that we
> like about the iPhone in particular 
> 
> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
> 
> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other Apple
> operating system, my stance has always been to install the updates
> immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
> 
> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm starting
> to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone else found the
> bugs instead.
> 
> We've been here before
> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, although not
> quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
> 
> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without someone
> waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or another.
> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are as bad
> as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service running on
> every restart?
> 
> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things are
> breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion.
> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
> 
> New iOS and macOS problems
> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report that
> they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a mess right
> now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the water.
> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when you
> paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, doesn't.
> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are features
> that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, presumably
> because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should expect
> software updates not to break things that were working before. The first
> rule of software updates should be that they leave devices in a better state
> than before they were installed. And that isn't what we're seeing.
> 
> The Home app has gone backward in iOS 16.4, too. People say their
> accessories don't work, or work intermittently which might be even more
> infuriating. Apple has had problems with HomeKit before, and a new
> architecture seems to be causing problems all over again after it was pulled
> from iOS 16.2 for similar issues.
> We can hopefully expect these issues to be fixed in the next release,
> whenever that will arrive. 
> 
> The solution? Don't update
> 
> So what do we do about all this?
> Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is stop installing updates
> immediately, mistakenly believing that they will make things better. Maybe
> we take a week or two to see what's going on and how other people fare. If
> things are great, great! If not, hang fire instead.
> But that right there is another problem, this time for Apple. Because it
> sometimes rolls out important security fixes that people need to install.
> And anything that stops them from doing that is a problem. Yes, Apple's
> Rapid Security Response system might fix that, separating security fixes
> from the main iOS updates. But people still need to approve them. And will
> they do that if the trust is gone? And who feels brave enough to leave
> automatic updates enabled? Not me.
> 
> I used to say that the best iPhone was an updated iPhone. The same went for
> iPads, Macs, Apple

Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[M. Taylor]

iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, 2023
at 8:41 AM

Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
installing them?
Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
 
Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that we
like about the iPhone in particular 

Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.

I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other Apple
operating system, my stance has always been to install the updates
immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?

But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm starting
to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone else found the
bugs instead.

We've been here before
Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, although not
quite as blazing-hot as it once was.

There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without someone
waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or another.
Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are as bad
as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service running on
every restart?

But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things are
breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion.
What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.

New iOS and macOS problems
Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report that
they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a mess right
now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the water.
Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when you
paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, doesn't.
The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are features
that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, presumably
because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should expect
software updates not to break things that were working before. The first
rule of software updates should be that they leave devices in a better state
than before they were installed. And that isn't what we're seeing.

The Home app has gone backward in iOS 16.4, too. People say their
accessories don't work, or work intermittently which might be even more
infuriating. Apple has had problems with HomeKit before, and a new
architecture seems to be causing problems all over again after it was pulled
from iOS 16.2 for similar issues.
We can hopefully expect these issues to be fixed in the next release,
whenever that will arrive. 

The solution? Don't update
 
So what do we do about all this?
Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is stop installing updates
immediately, mistakenly believing that they will make things better. Maybe
we take a week or two to see what's going on and how other people fare. If
things are great, great! If not, hang fire instead.
But that right there is another problem, this time for Apple. Because it
sometimes rolls out important security fixes that people need to install.
And anything that stops them from doing that is a problem. Yes, Apple's
Rapid Security Response system might fix that, separating security fixes
from the main iOS updates. But people still need to approve them. And will
they do that if the trust is gone? And who feels brave enough to leave
automatic updates enabled? Not me.

I used to say that the best iPhone was an updated iPhone. The same went for
iPads, Macs, Apple Watches, and Apple TVs. But now?
Now I just say that the best device is the one that works like it did
yesterday.

Original article at:
https://www.imore.com/ios/ios-16/apples-software-updates-are-breaking-things
-is-it-time-we-delayed-installing-them


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RE: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The SE 2020 has a significantly larger touch screen than the 4S had.
The 4S only had a 3.5 inch screen which is positively tiny compared to even the 
smallest screen today which is the 4.7 inch screen on the iPhone SE.
When the iPhone 5, 5C and later the 5S came out the screen size increased from 
3.5 inches to 4 inches and only with the iPhone 6 and later (6S, 7 and 8) did 
the screen size go up to 4.7 inches, same as the various iPhone SE models.
The old Plus models (6 Plus, 6S Plus, 7 Plus and 8 Plus) had a 5.5 inch screen 
and with the iPhone 11 and 11 Max (12/12 Max and 13/13Max) screen size went to 
6.1 and 6.7 inches with the Mini models having a 5.4 inch screen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

Hello everyone I originally got an iPod touch third generation. I had some 
difficulty adapting to the touch screen. I got a hold of a Bluetooth keyboards 
which solved most of my problems. I later upgraded 10 iPhone 4S. I did better 
with the iPhone. I ended up not using the iPod touch because it would not go 
past iOS 6 .1. It would not update anymore. I guess it was at the end of its 
life. I really like the iPhone SE 20. The only thing that concerns me is the 
area of the touchscreen does seem to be a little bit small.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
hi, everyone, I received my iPod five Wayback in 2012. That was my first 
device with the touchscreen. I adapted very well to it. It certainly didn't 
have much memory, but it was wonderful to have it. Now I have my iPhone 13 Pro 
Max and love it! Anyway, I hope all of you have a good evening. Take care. 
Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On May 12, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Kathy Brandt 
mailto:katya20...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My iPod touch seventh generation was replaced a few months ago, so I’m good for 
a while. I am attached to my devices, so have all the way back to the fourth 
generation, plus an iPhone 5s. I understand, due to the supply issues and 
needing to concentrate more on the iPhones, but I do like the iPod touch, and 
sorry to see it go. It was good training wheels for feeling more confident when 
I got my first phone.




On May 12, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:


iPod touch will be available while supplies last

iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod touch 
will be available while supplies last.

Since its introduction over 20 years ago, 
iPod<https://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/>has captivated users all over the world 
who love the ability to take their music with them on the go. Today, the 
experience of taking one’s music library out into the world has been integrated 
across Apple’s product line — from iPhone and Apple Watch to iPad and Mac — 
along with access to more than 90 million songs and over 30,000 playlists 
available via Apple Music.

“Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to hundreds 
of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just the music 
industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened to, and shared,” 
said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. 
“Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated an incredible music 
experience across all of our products, from the iPhone to the Apple Watch to 
HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And Apple Music delivers 
industry-leading sound quality with support for spatial audio — there’s no 
better way to enjoy, discover, and experience music.”

Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, including a 
wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest iPhone 13 Pro Max, 
iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or storing an entire music 
library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the perfect companion, allowing 
users to access over 90 million songs right from their wrist, starting at just 
$279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at just $329, comes with a more powerful 
chip, larger display and the latest iPadOS features. And for the best way to 
enjoy music at home, HomePod mini is just $99.

An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — from 
iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.

Customers can purchase iPod touch<https://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/>through 
apple.com<https://www.apple.com/>, Apple Store locations, and Apple Authorized 
Resellers while supplies last.

www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/<http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/>




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is wh

Re: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I originally got an iPod touch third generation. I had some 
difficulty adapting to the touch screen. I got a hold of a Bluetooth keyboards 
which solved most of my problems. I later upgraded 10 iPhone 4S. I did better 
with the iPhone. I ended up not using the iPod touch because it would not go 
past iOS 6 .1. It would not update anymore. I guess it was at the end of its 
life. I really like the iPhone SE 20. The only thing that concerns me is the 
area of the touchscreen does seem to be a little bit small. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> hi, everyone, I received my iPod five Wayback in 2012. That was my first 
> device with the touchscreen. I adapted very well to it. It certainly didn't 
> have much memory, but it was wonderful to have it. Now I have my iPhone 13 
> Pro Max and love it! Anyway, I hope all of you have a good evening. Take 
> care. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>>> On May 12, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> My iPod touch seventh generation was replaced a few months ago, so I’m good 
>> for a while. I am attached to my devices, so have all the way back to the 
>> fourth generation, plus an iPhone 5s. I understand, due to the supply issues 
>> and needing to concentrate more on the iPhones, but I do like the iPod 
>> touch, and sorry to see it go. It was good training wheels for feeling more 
>> confident when I got my first phone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> iPod touch will be available while supplies last
>>> 
>>> iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod 
>>> touch will be available while supplies last.
>>> 
>>> Since its introduction over 20 years ago, iPodhas captivated users all over 
>>> the world who love the ability to take their music with them on the go. 
>>> Today, the experience of taking one’s music library out into the world has 
>>> been integrated across Apple’s product line — from iPhone and Apple Watch 
>>> to iPad and Mac — along with access to more than 90 million songs and over 
>>> 30,000 playlists available via Apple Music.
>>> 
>>> “Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to 
>>> hundreds of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just 
>>> the music industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened 
>>> to, and shared,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of 
>>> Worldwide Marketing. “Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated 
>>> an incredible music experience across all of our products, from the iPhone 
>>> to the Apple Watch to HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And 
>>> Apple Music delivers industry-leading sound quality with support for 
>>> spatial audio — there’s no better way to enjoy, discover, and experience 
>>> music.”
>>> 
>>> Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, 
>>> including a wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest 
>>> iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or 
>>> storing an entire music library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the 
>>> perfect companion, allowing users to access over 90 million songs right 
>>> from their wrist, starting at just $279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at 
>>> just $329, comes with a more powerful chip, larger display and the latest 
>>> iPadOS features. And for the best way to enjoy music at home, HomePod mini 
>>> is just $99.
>>> 
>>> An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — 
>>> from iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.
>>> 
>>> Customers can purchase iPod touchthrough apple.com, Apple Store locations, 
>>> and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>  
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Re: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I received my iPod five Wayback in 2012. That was my first device 
with the touchscreen. I adapted very well to it. It certainly didn't have much 
memory, but it was wonderful to have it. Now I have my iPhone 13 Pro Max and 
love it! Anyway, I hope all of you have a good evening. Take care. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On May 12, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> 
> My iPod touch seventh generation was replaced a few months ago, so I’m good 
> for a while. I am attached to my devices, so have all the way back to the 
> fourth generation, plus an iPhone 5s. I understand, due to the supply issues 
> and needing to concentrate more on the iPhones, but I do like the iPod touch, 
> and sorry to see it go. It was good training wheels for feeling more 
> confident when I got my first phone.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 12, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> iPod touch will be available while supplies last
>> 
>> iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod touch 
>> will be available while supplies last.
>> 
>> Since its introduction over 20 years ago, iPodhas captivated users all over 
>> the world who love the ability to take their music with them on the go. 
>> Today, the experience of taking one’s music library out into the world has 
>> been integrated across Apple’s product line — from iPhone and Apple Watch to 
>> iPad and Mac — along with access to more than 90 million songs and over 
>> 30,000 playlists available via Apple Music.
>> 
>> “Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to 
>> hundreds of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just 
>> the music industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened to, 
>> and shared,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide 
>> Marketing. “Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated an 
>> incredible music experience across all of our products, from the iPhone to 
>> the Apple Watch to HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And 
>> Apple Music delivers industry-leading sound quality with support for spatial 
>> audio — there’s no better way to enjoy, discover, and experience music.”
>> 
>> Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, 
>> including a wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest 
>> iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or 
>> storing an entire music library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the 
>> perfect companion, allowing users to access over 90 million songs right from 
>> their wrist, starting at just $279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at just 
>> $329, comes with a more powerful chip, larger display and the latest iPadOS 
>> features. And for the best way to enjoy music at home, HomePod mini is just 
>> $99.
>> 
>> An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — 
>> from iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.
>> 
>> Customers can purchase iPod touchthrough apple.com, Apple Store locations, 
>> and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last.
>> 
>>  
>> www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>  
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Re: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[CHELA Robles]

I love my product red one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> 
> My iPod touch seventh generation was replaced a few months ago, so I’m good 
> for a while. I am attached to my devices, so have all the way back to the 
> fourth generation, plus an iPhone 5s. I understand, due to the supply issues 
> and needing to concentrate more on the iPhones, but I do like the iPod touch, 
> and sorry to see it go. It was good training wheels for feeling more 
> confident when I got my first phone.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 12, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> iPod touch will be available while supplies last
>> 
>> iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod touch 
>> will be available while supplies last.
>> 
>> Since its introduction over 20 years ago, iPodhas captivated users all over 
>> the world who love the ability to take their music with them on the go. 
>> Today, the experience of taking one’s music library out into the world has 
>> been integrated across Apple’s product line — from iPhone and Apple Watch to 
>> iPad and Mac — along with access to more than 90 million songs and over 
>> 30,000 playlists available via Apple Music.
>> 
>> “Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to 
>> hundreds of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just 
>> the music industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened to, 
>> and shared,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide 
>> Marketing. “Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated an 
>> incredible music experience across all of our products, from the iPhone to 
>> the Apple Watch to HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And 
>> Apple Music delivers industry-leading sound quality with support for spatial 
>> audio — there’s no better way to enjoy, discover, and experience music.”
>> 
>> Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, 
>> including a wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest 
>> iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or 
>> storing an entire music library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the 
>> perfect companion, allowing users to access over 90 million songs right from 
>> their wrist, starting at just $279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at just 
>> $329, comes with a more powerful chip, larger display and the latest iPadOS 
>> features. And for the best way to enjoy music at home, HomePod mini is just 
>> $99.
>> 
>> An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — 
>> from iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.
>> 
>> Customers can purchase iPod touchthrough apple.com, Apple Store locations, 
>> and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last.
>> 
>>  
>> www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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Re: Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[Kathy Brandt]

My iPod touch seventh generation was replaced a few months ago, so I’m good for 
a while. I am attached to my devices, so have all the way back to the fourth 
generation, plus an iPhone 5s. I understand, due to the supply issues and 
needing to concentrate more on the iPhones, but I do like the iPod touch, and 
sorry to see it go. It was good training wheels for feeling more confident when 
I got my first phone.



> On May 12, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> iPod touch will be available while supplies last
> 
> iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod touch 
> will be available while supplies last.
> 
> Since its introduction over 20 years ago, iPodhas captivated users all over 
> the world who love the ability to take their music with them on the go. 
> Today, the experience of taking one’s music library out into the world has 
> been integrated across Apple’s product line — from iPhone and Apple Watch to 
> iPad and Mac — along with access to more than 90 million songs and over 
> 30,000 playlists available via Apple Music.
> 
> “Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to hundreds 
> of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just the music 
> industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened to, and 
> shared,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide 
> Marketing. “Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated an 
> incredible music experience across all of our products, from the iPhone to 
> the Apple Watch to HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And 
> Apple Music delivers industry-leading sound quality with support for spatial 
> audio — there’s no better way to enjoy, discover, and experience music.”
> 
> Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, including 
> a wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest iPhone 13 Pro 
> Max, iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or storing an entire 
> music library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the perfect companion, 
> allowing users to access over 90 million songs right from their wrist, 
> starting at just $279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at just $329, comes 
> with a more powerful chip, larger display and the latest iPadOS features. And 
> for the best way to enjoy music at home, HomePod mini is just $99.
> 
> An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — 
> from iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.
> 
> Customers can purchase iPod touchthrough apple.com, Apple Store locations, 
> and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last.
> 
>  
> www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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Apple is discontinuing the iPod Touch

[Richard Turner]

iPod touch will be available while supplies last

iPod redefined how music was discovered, listened to, and shared. iPod touch 
will be available while supplies last.

Since its introduction over 20 years ago,  <https://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/> 
iPodhas captivated users all over the world who love the ability to take their 
music with them on the go. Today, the experience of taking one’s music library 
out into the world has been integrated across Apple’s product line — from 
iPhone and Apple Watch to iPad and Mac — along with access to more than 90 
million songs and over 30,000 playlists available via Apple Music.

“Music has always been part of our core at Apple, and bringing it to hundreds 
of millions of users in the way iPod did impacted more than just the music 
industry — it also redefined how music is discovered, listened to, and shared,” 
said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. 
“Today, the spirit of iPod lives on. We’ve integrated an incredible music 
experience across all of our products, from the iPhone to the Apple Watch to 
HomePod mini, and across Mac, iPad, and Apple TV. And Apple Music delivers 
industry-leading sound quality with support for spatial audio — there’s no 
better way to enjoy, discover, and experience music.”

Among the incredible ways to enjoy music across a range of devices, including a 
wide variety of models from the new iPhone SE to the latest iPhone 13 Pro Max, 
iPhone is the best device for streaming Apple Music or storing an entire music 
library on the go. Apple Watch and AirPods are the perfect companion, allowing 
users to access over 90 million songs right from their wrist, starting at just 
$279 with Apple Watch SE. iPad starts at just $329, comes with a more powerful 
chip, larger display and the latest iPadOS features. And for the best way to 
enjoy music at home, HomePod mini is just $99.

An incredible music experience is integrated across Apple’s product line — from 
iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods to HomePod mini, iPad, and Mac.

Customers can purchase  <https://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/> iPod touchthrough  
<https://www.apple.com/> apple.com, Apple Store locations, and Apple Authorized 
Resellers while supplies last.

 

www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

 

 

 

 

Richard

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RE: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

[Christopher Chaltain]

I also like doing this as well. When I get a new device, I like to start from 
scratch and rearrange things based on what I learned from my earlier device. 
Obviously I can see why not everyone would want to do this though.

On Android it was even more interesting since you had more options, like how 
many rows and columns you had on a page, and you could even be more flexible 
with where you moved apps, such as just putting apps in the four corners or 
maybe just along the edges.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

Moving apps on my iPhone is kind of fun.  I like deciding where I want some of 
my most used apps to go.  I have apps like bard mobile, audible, and voice 
dream reader all together on the second page of apps on my iPhone.  I used my 
Hable One keyboard to help me move some apps and it was super easy.

On 4/29/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Yes, the same way you got the iPhone rearranged.
>
>
>
> You have to manually move them unless someone knows something I don't.
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> My web site;  
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 8:16 AM
> To: Viphone ; Viphone2 
> 
> Subject: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.
>
>
>
> So I finally got some sighted assistance in moving the apps on my 
> iphone in to the arrangement that I am used to. I have now disabled 
> the setting in voiceover that allows editing of the apps on the home 
> screen, so my apps should now stay where I want them from now on.  
> However, I recently purchased an ipod touch 7 and during the setup it 
> adopted the app arrangement that was currently on my iphone which was 
> the one that I did not like and had created accidentally through 
> inadvertent editing of the home screen.
>
> Is there any way to get my ipod app arrangement or setup to match the 
> arrangement of my apps on my iphone without using itunes on the computer?
>
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Re: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

[Barbara Stahl]

Well my problem was that I had already gotten my apps arranged the way that I 
wanted them then the stupid editing feature caused me to accidentally move them 
to places that I didn't want them to go. I tried using the screen and my 
fingers to move them back and I only managed to make things worse.  I was 
really hoping that there was a way to get the ipod to automatically synk itself 
with my iphone like through the icloud backup or something.  

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Moving apps on my iPhone is kind of fun.  I like deciding where I want
> some of my most used apps to go.  I have apps like bard mobile,
> audible, and voice dream reader all together on the second page of
> apps on my iPhone.  I used my Hable One keyboard to help me move some
> apps and it was super easy.
> 
>> On 4/29/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Yes, the same way you got the iPhone rearranged.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You have to manually move them unless someone knows something I don’t.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My web site;  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Barbara Stahl
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 8:16 AM
>> To: Viphone ; Viphone2
>> 
>> Subject: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So I finally got some sighted assistance in moving the apps on my iphone in
>> to the arrangement that I am used to. I have now disabled the setting in
>> voiceover that allows editing of the apps on the home screen, so my apps
>> should now stay where I want them from now on.  However, I recently
>> purchased an ipod touch 7 and during the setup it adopted the app
>> arrangement that was currently on my iphone which was the one that I did not
>> like and had created accidentally through inadvertent editing of the home
>> screen.
>> 
>> Is there any way to get my ipod app arrangement or setup to match the
>> arrangement of my apps on my iphone without using itunes on the computer?
>> 
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Re: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Moving apps on my iPhone is kind of fun.  I like deciding where I want
some of my most used apps to go.  I have apps like bard mobile,
audible, and voice dream reader all together on the second page of
apps on my iPhone.  I used my Hable One keyboard to help me move some
apps and it was super easy.

On 4/29/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Yes, the same way you got the iPhone rearranged.
>
>
>
> You have to manually move them unless someone knows something I don’t.
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> My web site;  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 8:16 AM
> To: Viphone ; Viphone2
> 
> Subject: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.
>
>
>
> So I finally got some sighted assistance in moving the apps on my iphone in
> to the arrangement that I am used to. I have now disabled the setting in
> voiceover that allows editing of the apps on the home screen, so my apps
> should now stay where I want them from now on.  However, I recently
> purchased an ipod touch 7 and during the setup it adopted the app
> arrangement that was currently on my iphone which was the one that I did not
> like and had created accidentally through inadvertent editing of the home
> screen.
>
> Is there any way to get my ipod app arrangement or setup to match the
> arrangement of my apps on my iphone without using itunes on the computer?
>
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RE: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

[Richard Turner]

Yes, the same way you got the iPhone rearranged.

 

You have to manually move them unless someone knows something I don’t.

 

HTH,

 

Richard

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 8:16 AM
To: Viphone ; Viphone2 
Subject: Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

 

So I finally got some sighted assistance in moving the apps on my iphone in to 
the arrangement that I am used to. I have now disabled the setting in voiceover 
that allows editing of the apps on the home screen, so my apps should now stay 
where I want them from now on.  However, I recently purchased an ipod touch 7 
and during the setup it adopted the app arrangement that was currently on my 
iphone which was the one that I did not like and had created accidentally 
through inadvertent editing of the home screen. 

Is there any way to get my ipod app arrangement or setup to match the 
arrangement of my apps on my iphone without using itunes on the computer?   

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Question about sinking an ipod with an iphone.

[Barbara Stahl]

So I finally got some sighted assistance in moving the apps on my iphone in to 
the arrangement that I am used to. I have now disabled the setting in voiceover 
that allows editing of the apps on the home screen, so my apps should now stay 
where I want them from now on.  However, I recently purchased an ipod touch 7 
and during the setup it adopted the app arrangement that was currently on my 
iphone which was the one that I did not like and had created accidentally 
through inadvertent editing of the home screen. 
Is there any way to get my ipod app arrangement or setup to match the 
arrangement of my apps on my iphone without using itunes on the computer?   

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RE: Ipod question.

[Richard Turner]

The iPod interface is 100% identical to the iPhone.

 

The iPod is simply an iPhone without the phone feature.

 

Though, you can use the iPod to make FaceTime or Skype calls, etc.

 

VoiceOver is the same on all Apple portable devices.

 

 

Richard

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:13 PM
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Subject: Ipod question.

 

Hi list. 

So I am considering purchasing an ipod. I thought it might save my phone's 
battery life because my audiobook apps and music apps seem to run my battery 
down  quickly. 

So I was wondering, will apps such as audible, the library audiobooks apps, 
bard, and amazon music and pandora work on an ipod? If so are they as 
accessible and easy to use on the ipod as upposed to the iphone?  

 

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Re: Ipod question.

[Anthony Vece]

Yes to both questions.

Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro!!!

> On Mar 16, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Barbara Stahl  
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> 
> Hi list. 
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> battery life because my audiobook apps and music apps seem to run my battery 
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RE: Ipod question.

[llumpkin]

I believe they are. The only thing an ipod doesn’t have is a sim card and the 
phone app.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 2:13 PM
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Hi list. 

So I am considering purchasing an ipod. I thought it might save my phone's 
battery life because my audiobook apps and music apps seem to run my battery 
down  quickly. 

So I was wondering, will apps such as audible, the library audiobooks apps, 
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accessible and easy to use on the ipod as upposed to the iphone?  

 

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Ipod question.

[Barbara Stahl]

Hi list. 
So I am considering purchasing an ipod. I thought it might save my phone's 
battery life because my audiobook apps and music apps seem to run my battery 
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Re: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone

[Kathy Brandt]

Could even just be helpful to know if the iPhone SE 20 has comparable  
specswith the iPod touch seventh generation, or, if someone can do a specific 
broadcaster search with say an iPhone X on up.

> On May 16, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the clarification. Happs - The Network of Now by V2 Media appears 
> to be the app you’re asking about and hopefully someone who uses it can help.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 11:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone
>  
> I took for granted that whoever answered would be familiar with the app. Haps 
> it’s like periscope; you live Broadcast with it. The search edit box comes up 
> on my iPod, but not on my iPhone when I am doing the same gestures.
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Kathy,
>  
> Perhaps you can provide a few more details. I don't understand your subject 
> about searching for a happs broadcaster, in what app you're searching, or 
> what specifically you're trying to do. I expect you're likely to get better 
> results if you provide more details.
>  
> Alan Lemly 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Kathy 
> Brandt 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone
>  
> Does anyone have any idea of how to remedy this? Both my iPod seventh GEN and 
> SE 20 are running the same version of iOS, with the latest update of the app. 
> I can’t find anything in settings on either device that is different. Their 
> customer service department has been sorely lacking when contacted about this.
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RE: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Thanks for the clarification. Happs - The Network of Now by V2 Media appears to 
be the app you’re asking about and hopefully someone who uses it can help.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone

 

I took for granted that whoever answered would be familiar with the app. Haps 
it’s like periscope; you live Broadcast with it. The search edit box comes up 
on my iPod, but not on my iPhone when I am doing the same gestures.





On May 16, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Kathy,

 

Perhaps you can provide a few more details. I don't understand your subject 
about searching for a happs broadcaster, in what app you're searching, or what 
specifically you're trying to do. I expect you're likely to get better results 
if you provide more details.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

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Does anyone have any idea of how to remedy this? Both my iPod seventh GEN and 
SE 20 are running the same version of iOS, with the latest update of the app. I 
can’t find anything in settings on either device that is different. Their 
customer service department has been sorely lacking when contacted about this.

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Re: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone

[Kathy Brandt]

I took for granted that whoever answered would be familiar with the app. Haps 
it’s like periscope; you live Broadcast with it. The search edit box comes up 
on my iPod, but not on my iPhone when I am doing the same gestures.

> On May 16, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Kathy,
> 
> Perhaps you can provide a few more details. I don't understand your subject 
> about searching for a happs broadcaster, in what app you're searching, or 
> what specifically you're trying to do. I expect you're likely to get better 
> results if you provide more details.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Kathy 
> Brandt 
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 12:20:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone
>  
> Does anyone have any idea of how to remedy this? Both my iPod seventh GEN and 
> SE 20 are running the same version of iOS, with the latest update of the app. 
> I can’t find anything in settings on either device that is different. Their 
> customer service department has been sorely lacking when contacted about this.
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Re: Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Kathy,

Perhaps you can provide a few more details. I don't understand your subject 
about searching for a happs broadcaster, in what app you're searching, or what 
specifically you're trying to do. I expect you're likely to get better results 
if you provide more details.

Alan Lemly

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Does anyone have any idea of how to remedy this? Both my iPod seventh GEN and 
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Can search for specific happs broadcaster on iPod, but not iPhone

[Kathy Brandt]

Does anyone have any idea of how to remedy this? Both my iPod seventh GEN and 
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Re: Follow up on issue with braille displays and the "Message body text field is editing" with iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Richard,

I am on the latest between and turned the container description to do nothing. 
I also turned the speech off with m plus spacebar. I did see the body is 
editing message. It appeared only once while doing this email. Once it went 
away, it has not returned. The focus also still jumps. Nothing has changed.

Jenn  

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> 
> Hello all,
> Anyone experiencing this issue, can you check two things.
> Check the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity concerning container description. 
>  Note what it is.  I find even with it set to Do Nothing, the problem 
> persists.
>  Turn off speech with space+m or a three finger double tap before writing in 
> the message body.
>  
> Can you write without issues with speech off?
>  
> If so, then I think that is the problem, since the braille display shows 
> everything VoiceOver says, that is creating the problem.
>  
> Thanks for your help in pinning this down.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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Follow up on issue with braille displays and the "Message body text field is editing" with iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch

[Richard Turner]

Hello all,
Anyone experiencing this issue, can you check two things.

  1.  Check the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity concerning container 
description.  Note what it is.  I find even with it set to Do Nothing, the 
problem persists.
  2.   Turn off speech with space+m or a three finger double tap before writing 
in the message body.


Can you write without issues with speech off?

If so, then I think that is the problem, since the braille display shows 
everything VoiceOver says, that is creating the problem.

Thanks for your help in pinning this down.



Richard
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Car Radio and iPod touch

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
My wife got a new vehicle. I tried to connect my iPod Touch 6th Gen via
bluetooth and the strange thing is that voiceover goes dead i.e. it is not
carried over to the car radio as is in the case with my other vehicle. It is
also silent on the iPod. My iPod has IOS12 installed which is the latest
version it can take. Does anyone have an idea why this happens?
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sinking record label discography to iPod touch on Mac os10 catalina?

[trahern culver]

Hi everyone hope you're all doing well and staying safe. I have a record 
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sinking record label discography to iPod touch on Mac os10 catalina?

[trahern culver]

Hi everyone hope you're all doing well and staying safe. I have a record 
label discography that I would like to sync to my iPod touch buy  record 
label I know that  Apple Music doesn't really support this as such is there 
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a playlist? Or is there any way I can use a  smart playlist to add the 
record label discography to my iPod touch? 
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help with this situation would be most welcome everyone thanks again for 
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Connecting iPod Pro to iPhone 11 Pro

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

My bluetooth settings say I'm connnected but can't hear anything.  What am I 
missing?

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RE: ipod shuffle

[Richard Turner]

Would calling Apple Accessibility be of any use?



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Subject: Re: ipod shuffle

Hi Shirley,

Each iPod Shuffle model had a different kind of cable. If I'm thinking of the 
same squarish model you are, the cable has a frame and a piece sticking up that 
fits into the headphone jack. When you plug it in, it rests on the frame. You 
may want to find out the model number and search somewhere like eBay.

Best,
Anna



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mailto:shirley1...@eircom.net>> wrote:

does anyone know what type of cable the ipod shuffle takes? I am selling one 
but have no cable as I lost it. the person buying it wants to know what type of 
cable it uses. its the little square ipod shuffle, one of the very first modles 
apple brought out with voice over on it.
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Re: ipod shuffle

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Shirley,

Each iPod Shuffle model had a different kind of cable. If I'm thinking of the 
same squarish model you are, the cable has a frame and a piece sticking up that 
fits into the headphone jack. When you plug it in, it rests on the frame. You 
may want to find out the model number and search somewhere like eBay.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 26, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> 
> does anyone know what type of cable the ipod shuffle takes? I am selling one 
> but have no cable as I lost it. the person buying it wants to know what type 
> of cable it uses. its the little square ipod shuffle, one of the very first 
> modles apple brought out with voice over on it.
> shirley
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Re: ipod shuffle

[Marty Hutchings]

Shirley,  The iPod Shuffle charging cable has a USB male at one end and a 3.5 
mm TRRS male plug at the other end.

Love in Christ
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If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
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signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

From: Shirley Healy 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:36 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: ipod shuffle

does anyone know what type of cable the ipod shuffle takes? I am selling one 
but have no cable as I lost it. the person buying it wants to know what type of 
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ipod shuffle

[Shirley Healy]

does anyone know what type of cable the ipod shuffle takes? I am selling one 
but have no cable as I lost it. the person buying it wants to know what type of 
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Re: Does back tap work on an iPad mini 4 and iPod touch 7

[Richard Turner]

If the setting is there it will work. Just open settings accessibility touch 
and see if the setting is available.



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On Sep 22, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Jen .  wrote:

Hi does back tap work on an iPad mini 4 and iPod touch 7.
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Does back tap work on an iPad mini 4 and iPod touch 7

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Hi does back tap work on an iPad mini 4 and iPod touch 7.
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Re: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

[Lynda Ingraham]

i have a lot of cookbooks, knitting books etc. that i keep as references. True, 
wouldn't have to purchase card and adapter. 

Thank you very much. 

Lynda

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, iPhones, iPads or iPods if they can run iOS 13, they can use external 
> memory cards with the appropriate adapter.
> For example, if I have a very large MP3 file that I do not want to take up 
> space in my device’s memory, I can use a memory card with an adapter to 
> listen to that file.
> Or access a document, etc.
> I personally do not see the point of trying to do that with BARD or Audible 
> since the books are readily available from within the app.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 8:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards
>  
> Imagine an IPod exactly like an iPHone, but without cellphone service. You 
> need to connect to ITunes to put stuff on that you’ve got on the computer 
> sadly. Good luck!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
> 
> El 16 ago 2020, a la(s) 10:02 a.m., Lynda Ingraham  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
>  
> I haven't seen the Ipod 7th gen. I am giving my 8+ to my brother. I am 
> wondering whether the Ipod 7th gen screen of an Iphone and can use Bard and 
> other game apps.
>  
> I would also like to know whether a memory stick can be used to store more 
> than photos. Most of the info I have read is people describing how easy it is 
> to transfer their photos.
>  
> Between Audible and Bard, I have quite a collection of books. If they are 
> stored on a memory card/stick can they be accessed on the Ipod 7th gen?
>  
> Thank you in advance, Lynda
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RE: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

[Richard Turner]

Well, iPhones, iPads or iPods if they can run iOS 13, they can use external 
memory cards with the appropriate adapter.
For example, if I have a very large MP3 file that I do not want to take up 
space in my device’s memory, I can use a memory card with an adapter to listen 
to that file.
Or access a document, etc.
I personally do not see the point of trying to do that with BARD or Audible 
since the books are readily available from within the app.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

Imagine an IPod exactly like an iPHone, but without cellphone service. You need 
to connect to ITunes to put stuff on that you’ve got on the computer sadly. 
Good luck!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 16 ago 2020, a la(s) 10:02 a.m., Lynda Ingraham 
mailto:lynda.ingra...@gmail.com>> escribió:

Hi Everyone,

I haven't seen the Ipod 7th gen. I am giving my 8+ to my brother. I am 
wondering whether the Ipod 7th gen screen of an Iphone and can use Bard and 
other game apps.

I would also like to know whether a memory stick can be used to store more than 
photos. Most of the info I have read is people describing how easy it is to 
transfer their photos.

Between Audible and Bard, I have quite a collection of books. If they are 
stored on a memory card/stick can they be accessed on the Ipod 7th gen?

Thank you in advance, Lynda


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Re: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

[Gerardo Corripio]

Imagine an IPod exactly like an iPHone, but without cellphone service. You need 
to connect to ITunes to put stuff on that you’ve got on the computer sadly. 
Good luck!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 16 ago 2020, a la(s) 10:02 a.m., Lynda Ingraham  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
>  
> I haven't seen the Ipod 7th gen. I am giving my 8+ to my brother. I am 
> wondering whether the Ipod 7th gen screen of an Iphone and can use Bard and 
> other game apps.
>  
> I would also like to know whether a memory stick can be used to store more 
> than photos. Most of the info I have read is people describing how easy it is 
> to transfer their photos.
>  
> Between Audible and Bard, I have quite a collection of books. If they are 
> stored on a memory card/stick can they be accessed on the Ipod 7th gen?
>  
> Thank you in advance, Lynda
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RE: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

[Richard Turner]

If it can run iOS 13, it should work fine, but I have to point out that it will 
take no less time to just redownload them from the original sources.
In reality, it might be faster.
Not to mention less expensive since you won’t need to buy the adapter.



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Subject: Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

Hi Everyone,

I haven't seen the Ipod 7th gen. I am giving my 8+ to my brother. I am 
wondering whether the Ipod 7th gen screen of an Iphone and can use Bard and 
other game apps.

I would also like to know whether a memory stick can be used to store more than 
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transfer their photos.

Between Audible and Bard, I have quite a collection of books. If they are 
stored on a memory card/stick can they be accessed on the Ipod 7th gen?

Thank you in advance, Lynda


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Ipod 7 & Memory Cards

[Lynda Ingraham]

Hi Everyone, 

 

I haven't seen the Ipod 7th gen. I am giving my 8+ to my brother. I am
wondering whether the Ipod 7th gen screen of an Iphone and can use Bard and
other game apps. 

 

I would also like to know whether a memory stick can be used to store more
than photos. Most of the info I have read is people describing how easy it
is to transfer their photos. 

 

Between Audible and Bard, I have quite a collection of books. If they are
stored on a memory card/stick can they be accessed on the Ipod 7th gen? 

 

Thank you in advance, Lynda 

 

 

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Re: Just received an iPod Touch 7 and no wall cube

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I'm sure they just didn't include one.  Most companies when you get
products, just give you a charging cable.  Hope you enjoy your new
ipod.

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Re: Just received an iPod Touch 7 and no wall cube

[John Panarese]

   I don’t believe mine had the cube either in the box. I think it only came 
with the USB cable.


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Just received an iPod Touch 7 and no wall cube

[Jen .]

Hi,
I just got an iPod Touch 7 and upon removing everything from the package I have 
discovered there is no wall cube.  Am I correct they just didn’t include one or 
did they forget to put one in my box.
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Re: Can I use an iPod without a phone number?

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

The iPod can be used without a phone number, because an iPod is 
not a phone.  The only differever between an iPhone and an iPod, 
is that the iPod does not have the number keypad.  They are the 
same in size.  I ne used my iPod as a phone with an app.  Just as 
a tblet.  Hope this helps.


Jan

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Re: Can I use an iPod without a phone number?

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Ann, the best thing to do would be to format the iPod completely.
Then give this device to your student and set up a new id for him, that way
anything related to your id will not be deleted or changed as your student
will be learning to use it.

Pramit

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:19 AM Ann Byrne  wrote:

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Re: Can I use an iPod without a phone number?

[Kelly Pierce]

If you are going to use your iPod with a student, you should wipe your
device and set it up as a new device for your student, who would
create her own Apple ID. She may not want to create an Apple ID, but
it is necessary to optimally use Apple devices and services.

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> I'm going to guess it is already signed in with your Apple ID, right?
> Is your phone set to allow calls to ring on other devices?
> Is that what you are concerned about?
> You can just turn that feature off.
> Or, you could sign out of your Apple ID completely and let them sign in with
> their own.
> This is a good example of something that you could likely get answered by
> calling Apple Accessibility.
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> I want to lend my iPod to someone, but it is tied to my phone number.  If I
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Re: Can two mobile phones use the same number (used to be Can I use an iPod without a phone number?)

[Kelly Pierce]

Ann,

No, two phones cannot share the same phone number. As a teacher, you
would not want them to any whey. The student can be free to use the
teaching iPhone without worry of changes to her phone service.


I suggest the iPhone instead of the iPod because the big benefit of
the iPhone is its location based services. To use these services,
someone needs a cellular connection.  I would suggest you obtain a
cheap pre-paid cell phone plan from a T-Mobile reseller. Some cost as
low as $10 a month. It has more than enough data to learn navigation
apps along with other location apps, like weather apps.  She can also
make real phone calls from the device and enter contacts that could be
backed up into iCloud. A contact’s address could be selected for
turn-by-turn guidance from her doorstep to her destination.  Doing it
on the cheap with a Wi-Fi only device prevents a real world training
experience. Here’s a link to some cheap MVNO plans:

https://bestmvno.com/daily-deals/cell-phone-plan-deals/


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On 3/16/20, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  wrote:
> Hi Ann,
>
> Two mobile phones cannot use the same number but with Apple devices iphone
> 6 and above Wi-Fi calling can be used but one of the iphone should have the
> number.
> Wi-Fi calling enables the device without the number to make and receive
> calls by using the same apple id and facetime.
> Also this requires internet connection and can only be used at place where
> you get Wi-Fi connectivity.
> Yes she can use the ipod and connect with Wi-Fi.
> Personally I would suggest giving your student both the device one by one
> and see which one she really prefers and interested in using.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Pramit
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ann Byrne  wrote:
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>> My student has a flip phone, and wants to learn to use an
>> iPhone.  she is *very computer-phobic.  I have an iPod she could
>> tinker with, and also an iPhone 5 that is not being used.  Which
>> would be best as a learning tool, to be used for practice while she
>> takes little steps to accommodate to the iPhone?  can she continue
>> using her flip phone but have the iPhone connected to the same number?
>>
>> Sorry to be so ignorant.
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Re: Can two mobile phones use the same number (used to be Can I use an iPod without a phone number?)

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi Ann,

Two mobile phones cannot use the same number but with Apple devices iphone
6 and above Wi-Fi calling can be used but one of the iphone should have the
number.
Wi-Fi calling enables the device without the number to make and receive
calls by using the same apple id and facetime.
Also this requires internet connection and can only be used at place where
you get Wi-Fi connectivity.
Yes she can use the ipod and connect with Wi-Fi.
Personally I would suggest giving your student both the device one by one
and see which one she really prefers and interested in using.

Hope this helps

Pramit

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> My student has a flip phone, and wants to learn to use an
> iPhone.  she is *very computer-phobic.  I have an iPod she could
> tinker with, and also an iPhone 5 that is not being used.  Which
> would be best as a learning tool, to be used for practice while she
> takes little steps to accommodate to the iPhone?  can she continue
> using her flip phone but have the iPhone connected to the same number?
>
> Sorry to be so ignorant.
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Can two mobile phones use the same number (used to be Can I use an iPod without a phone number?)

[Ann Byrne]

My student has a flip phone, and wants to learn to use an 
iPhone.  she is *very computer-phobic.  I have an iPod she could 
tinker with, and also an iPhone 5 that is not being used.  Which 
would be best as a learning tool, to be used for practice while she 
takes little steps to accommodate to the iPhone?  can she continue 
using her flip phone but have the iPhone connected to the same number?


Sorry to be so ignorant.


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Re: Can I use an iPod without a phone number?

[Richard Turner]

I'm going to guess it is already signed in with your Apple ID, right?
Is your phone set to allow calls to ring on other devices?
Is that what you are concerned about?
You can just turn that feature off.
Or, you could sign out of your Apple ID completely and let them sign in with 
their own.
This is a good example of something that you could likely get answered by 
calling Apple Accessibility.



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On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:

I want to lend my iPod to someone, but it is tied to my phone number.  If I 
reset it, can I sign it up to my apple ID without a phone number?  How would I 
do that?

Thx,

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I want to lend my iPod to someone, but it is tied to my phone 
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phone number?  How would I do that?


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RE: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Fanus Buys]

Hello Sieghard and Anna
Yes, Sieghard, you are spot on about the wifi aspect. Sometimes I wonder why 
our forefathers from the Netherlands and germany and other countries had this 
desire to come to Africa 367 years ago. I am envious of you folks with all the 
nice things but I suppose one must make the best of circumstances. This is why 
these technical email lists and all your willingness to help is so important 
and although we do not say it enough, we are very thankful and appreciate your 
time to assist us.
Regards
Fanus


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 19:39
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

Hi Anna,

Fanus is in South Africa and I assume he only has WiFi via a cellular hotspot 
or something like that.
My wife is from the Philippines and I know that very few people there have 
their own WiFi at home and if they do it's usually via some pocket WiFi hub 
which still uses cellular data and plans. The one thing there is that with some 
of these you get these promos, e.g. you can have unlimited use of Facebook or 
unlimited streaming of some movie service they have there which is basically 
the Filipino version of Netflix etc.
My wife's sister at times had plans which included unlimited data, but it was 
for some stripped down version of the service which I think was called Facebook 
Light, not something we probably even have here, but she could for instance use 
Messenger as much as she wanted for text chat, but she could not use it for 
video calls.
We are spoiled here in the US, Canada and also most European countries and 
Australia/New Zealand with super-fast fiber internet with unlimited data or 
even if it's a good ADSL or cable connection it's still pretty good over what 
most of the rest of the world has or can afford and it's also the larger part 
of the world, certainly when it comes to population. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:17 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

Hi Fanus,

Downloading from iCloud won't count against your data if you do it over Wi-Fi, 
will it? Usually Wi-Fi plans allow for a lot of downloading.

Do you have enough room on your phone for all the music? If so, with the phone 
connected, choose Music, and find the control that will let you sync all your 
music. It should say something like, "Sync all music." Once you choose that and 
choose Sync, all the music should be copied.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anna
> Thanks so much but now you must please assist one more time. I connected the 
> new phone to the pc and in itunes I clicked on the iPhone button and tabbed 
> through to the "sync" button and pressed enter. After the sync going through 
> the tabs again it shows 16.8 GB of music but my iTunes music folder on the pc 
> has 59.9 GB of music. Must I first select the music and then activate the 
> iPhone button? I do not want to download from iCloud because that 59 GB is 
> more than my download data package, so its going to cost me a lot, so I would 
> like to transfer the music via itunes to the phone. Where did I go wrong?
> Kind regards
> Fanus
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 04:37
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11
> 
> Hi Fanus,
> 
> The music on your iPod is, I assume, also in the iTunes library on your 
> computer. Your best bet would be syncing your iPhone with your computer and 
> copying the music from your iTunes library to your phone. If your iTunes 
> library is small enough, you can sync the whole thing with your iPhone. If 
> not, you can select music in iTunes and choose Add to Device to copy it 
> across.
> 
> If you have Apple Music or use iTunes Match, all the music in your iTunes 
> library is in iCloud, and you can download it from there to your phone when 
> it's connected to Wi-Fi. Even if you have neither of these services, any 
> music you have purchased from the iTunes store is available in iCloud to be 
> downloaded to your phone. 
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new 
>> iPhone 11 without using data from my internet capped plan?
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>> 
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Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Anna Dresner]

Hi sieghard,

Thanks for the reality check. I was trying to come up with the easiest way to 
do it, but of course, what's easy and viable depends on the system you're 
working with. Using iCloud is simpler m working with iTunes, but obviously if 
it costs a fortune, it's not the way to go.

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Fanus is in South Africa and I assume he only has WiFi via a cellular hotspot 
> or something like that.
> My wife is from the Philippines and I know that very few people there have 
> their own WiFi at home and if they do it's usually via some pocket WiFi hub 
> which still uses cellular data and plans. The one thing there is that with 
> some of these you get these promos, e.g. you can have unlimited use of 
> Facebook or unlimited streaming of some movie service they have there which 
> is basically the Filipino version of Netflix etc.
> My wife's sister at times had plans which included unlimited data, but it was 
> for some stripped down version of the service which I think was called 
> Facebook Light, not something we probably even have here, but she could for 
> instance use Messenger as much as she wanted for text chat, but she could not 
> use it for video calls.
> We are spoiled here in the US, Canada and also most European countries and 
> Australia/New Zealand with super-fast fiber internet with unlimited data or 
> even if it's a good ADSL or cable connection it's still pretty good over what 
> most of the rest of the world has or can afford and it's also the larger part 
> of the world, certainly when it comes to population. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
> Dresner
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:17 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11
> 
> Hi Fanus,
> 
> Downloading from iCloud won't count against your data if you do it over 
> Wi-Fi, will it? Usually Wi-Fi plans allow for a lot of downloading.
> 
> Do you have enough room on your phone for all the music? If so, with the 
> phone connected, choose Music, and find the control that will let you sync 
> all your music. It should say something like, "Sync all music." Once you 
> choose that and choose Sync, all the music should be copied.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anna
>> Thanks so much but now you must please assist one more time. I connected the 
>> new phone to the pc and in itunes I clicked on the iPhone button and tabbed 
>> through to the "sync" button and pressed enter. After the sync going through 
>> the tabs again it shows 16.8 GB of music but my iTunes music folder on the 
>> pc has 59.9 GB of music. Must I first select the music and then activate the 
>> iPhone button? I do not want to download from iCloud because that 59 GB is 
>> more than my download data package, so its going to cost me a lot, so I 
>> would like to transfer the music via itunes to the phone. Where did I go 
>> wrong?
>> Kind regards
>> Fanus
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Anna Dresner
>> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 04:37
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11
>> 
>> Hi Fanus,
>> 
>> The music on your iPod is, I assume, also in the iTunes library on your 
>> computer. Your best bet would be syncing your iPhone with your computer and 
>> copying the music from your iTunes library to your phone. If your iTunes 
>> library is small enough, you can sync the whole thing with your iPhone. If 
>> not, you can select music in iTunes and choose Add to Device to copy it 
>> across.
>> 
>> If you have Apple Music or use iTunes Match, all the music in your iTunes 
>> library is in iCloud, and you can download it from there to your phone when 
>> it's connected to Wi-Fi. Even if you have neither of these services, any 
>> music you have purchased from the iTunes store is available in iCloud to be 
>> downloaded to your phone. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello list
>>> Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new 
>>> iPhone 11 without using data from my internet capped plan?
>>> Regards
>>> Fanus
>>> 
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RE: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Anna,

Fanus is in South Africa and I assume he only has WiFi via a cellular hotspot 
or something like that.
My wife is from the Philippines and I know that very few people there have 
their own WiFi at home and if they do it's usually via some pocket WiFi hub 
which still uses cellular data and plans. The one thing there is that with some 
of these you get these promos, e.g. you can have unlimited use of Facebook or 
unlimited streaming of some movie service they have there which is basically 
the Filipino version of Netflix etc.
My wife's sister at times had plans which included unlimited data, but it was 
for some stripped down version of the service which I think was called Facebook 
Light, not something we probably even have here, but she could for instance use 
Messenger as much as she wanted for text chat, but she could not use it for 
video calls.
We are spoiled here in the US, Canada and also most European countries and 
Australia/New Zealand with super-fast fiber internet with unlimited data or 
even if it's a good ADSL or cable connection it's still pretty good over what 
most of the rest of the world has or can afford and it's also the larger part 
of the world, certainly when it comes to population. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:17 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

Hi Fanus,

Downloading from iCloud won't count against your data if you do it over Wi-Fi, 
will it? Usually Wi-Fi plans allow for a lot of downloading.

Do you have enough room on your phone for all the music? If so, with the phone 
connected, choose Music, and find the control that will let you sync all your 
music. It should say something like, "Sync all music." Once you choose that and 
choose Sync, all the music should be copied.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anna
> Thanks so much but now you must please assist one more time. I connected the 
> new phone to the pc and in itunes I clicked on the iPhone button and tabbed 
> through to the "sync" button and pressed enter. After the sync going through 
> the tabs again it shows 16.8 GB of music but my iTunes music folder on the pc 
> has 59.9 GB of music. Must I first select the music and then activate the 
> iPhone button? I do not want to download from iCloud because that 59 GB is 
> more than my download data package, so its going to cost me a lot, so I would 
> like to transfer the music via itunes to the phone. Where did I go wrong?
> Kind regards
> Fanus
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 04:37
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> Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11
> 
> Hi Fanus,
> 
> The music on your iPod is, I assume, also in the iTunes library on your 
> computer. Your best bet would be syncing your iPhone with your computer and 
> copying the music from your iTunes library to your phone. If your iTunes 
> library is small enough, you can sync the whole thing with your iPhone. If 
> not, you can select music in iTunes and choose Add to Device to copy it 
> across.
> 
> If you have Apple Music or use iTunes Match, all the music in your iTunes 
> library is in iCloud, and you can download it from there to your phone when 
> it's connected to Wi-Fi. Even if you have neither of these services, any 
> music you have purchased from the iTunes store is available in iCloud to be 
> downloaded to your phone. 
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new 
>> iPhone 11 without using data from my internet capped plan?
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>> 
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Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Fanus,

Downloading from iCloud won't count against your data if you do it over Wi-Fi, 
will it? Usually Wi-Fi plans allow for a lot of downloading.

Do you have enough room on your phone for all the music? If so, with the phone 
connected, choose Music, and find the control that will let you sync all your 
music. It should say something like, "Sync all music." Once you choose that and 
choose Sync, all the music should be copied.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anna
> Thanks so much but now you must please assist one more time. I connected the 
> new phone to the pc and in itunes I clicked on the iPhone button and tabbed 
> through to the "sync" button and pressed enter. After the sync going through 
> the tabs again it shows 16.8 GB of music but my iTunes music folder on the pc 
> has 59.9 GB of music. Must I first select the music and then activate the 
> iPhone button? I do not want to download from iCloud because that 59 GB is 
> more than my download data package, so its going to cost me a lot, so I would 
> like to transfer the music via itunes to the phone. Where did I go wrong?
> Kind regards
> Fanus
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 04:37
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11
> 
> Hi Fanus,
> 
> The music on your iPod is, I assume, also in the iTunes library on your 
> computer. Your best bet would be syncing your iPhone with your computer and 
> copying the music from your iTunes library to your phone. If your iTunes 
> library is small enough, you can sync the whole thing with your iPhone. If 
> not, you can select music in iTunes and choose Add to Device to copy it 
> across.
> 
> If you have Apple Music or use iTunes Match, all the music in your iTunes 
> library is in iCloud, and you can download it from there to your phone when 
> it's connected to Wi-Fi. Even if you have neither of these services, any 
> music you have purchased from the iTunes store is available in iCloud to be 
> downloaded to your phone. 
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new iPhone 11
>> without using data from my internet capped plan?
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>> 
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RE: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Fanus Buys]

Hello Anna
Thanks so much but now you must please assist one more time. I connected the 
new phone to the pc and in itunes I clicked on the iPhone button and tabbed 
through to the "sync" button and pressed enter. After the sync going through 
the tabs again it shows 16.8 GB of music but my iTunes music folder on the pc 
has 59.9 GB of music. Must I first select the music and then activate the 
iPhone button? I do not want to download from iCloud because that 59 GB is more 
than my download data package, so its going to cost me a lot, so I would like 
to transfer the music via itunes to the phone. Where did I go wrong?
Kind regards
Fanus


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 04:37
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

Hi Fanus,

The music on your iPod is, I assume, also in the iTunes library on your 
computer. Your best bet would be syncing your iPhone with your computer and 
copying the music from your iTunes library to your phone. If your iTunes 
library is small enough, you can sync the whole thing with your iPhone. If not, 
you can select music in iTunes and choose Add to Device to copy it across.

If you have Apple Music or use iTunes Match, all the music in your iTunes 
library is in iCloud, and you can download it from there to your phone when 
it's connected to Wi-Fi. Even if you have neither of these services, any music 
you have purchased from the iTunes store is available in iCloud to be 
downloaded to your phone. 

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello list
> Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new iPhone 11
> without using data from my internet capped plan?
> Regards
> Fanus
> 
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Re: Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Fanus,

The music on your iPod is, I assume, also in the iTunes library on your 
computer. Your best bet would be syncing your iPhone with your computer and 
copying the music from your iTunes library to your phone. If your iTunes 
library is small enough, you can sync the whole thing with your iPhone. If not, 
you can select music in iTunes and choose Add to Device to copy it across.

If you have Apple Music or use iTunes Match, all the music in your iTunes 
library is in iCloud, and you can download it from there to your phone when 
it's connected to Wi-Fi. Even if you have neither of these services, any music 
you have purchased from the iTunes store is available in iCloud to be 
downloaded to your phone. 

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello list
> Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new iPhone 11
> without using data from my internet capped plan?
> Regards
> Fanus
> 
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Re: iPhone 5, how can it be used like an iPod?

[Kelly Pierce]

Ann,

Generally, a SIM card is needed on a temporary basis to set up an
iPhone. The SIM card does not need to be active or functional though.
Your student will need to create an Apple ID if he does not have one
already. This will provide iCloud backup services along with other
features like Facetime and iMessage.  Apple does not clone iOS devices
in iCloud. The configuration of a backed up iPhone can be used to set
up an iPad or iPod touch for example as the data is shared among iOS
devices. Here’s an article that describes the set up process.

https://tinyurl.com/to8g69q


On 11/23/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I have a 5S that I'm using as a WiFi only device with no SIM card.
> At first, it seemed to be requiring a SIM card, but after erasing it and
> removing all data, I was able to set it up as a WiFi device; so much like an
> iPod.
> As to whether you can restore from iCloud, I don’t' know.
> Might be a good Apple question.
>
>
> Richard
>
>  Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann
> Byrne
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 8:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 5, how can it be used like an iPod?
>
> I have an iPhone 5 I want to give my student for practice with gestures.  It
> has been reset to factory settings.  How can a person use it like an iPod,
> not connected?  Should the sym card be removed, or is it enough that the
> phone simply isn't connected to a carrier?  Can someone back up a phone to
> iCloud and cloan the iPod from the backup?
>
> Thanks
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RE: iPhone 5, how can it be used like an iPod?

[Richard Turner]

I have a 5S that I'm using as a WiFi only device with no SIM card.
At first, it seemed to be requiring a SIM card, but after erasing it and 
removing all data, I was able to set it up as a WiFi device; so much like an 
iPod.
As to whether you can restore from iCloud, I don’t' know.
Might be a good Apple question.
 

Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 8:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 5, how can it be used like an iPod?

I have an iPhone 5 I want to give my student for practice with gestures.  It 
has been reset to factory settings.  How can a person use it like an iPod, not 
connected?  Should the sym card be removed, or is it enough that the phone 
simply isn't connected to a carrier?  Can someone back up a phone to iCloud and 
cloan the iPod from the backup?

Thanks

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iPhone 5, how can it be used like an iPod?

[Ann Byrne]

I have an iPhone 5 I want to give my student for practice with 
gestures.  It has been reset to factory settings.  How can a person 
use it like an iPod, not connected?  Should the sym card be removed, 
or is it enough that the phone simply isn't connected to a 
carrier?  Can someone back up a phone to iCloud and cloan the iPod 
from the backup?


Thanks

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Transfer music from iPod to iPhone 11

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
Is there a feature to transfer music on my iPod 6th gen to my new iPhone 11
without using data from my internet capped plan?
Regards
Fanus


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RE: Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It would appear it does not. Here is part of an article I found where they 
asked whether one should buy an iPod Touch 7 or an inexpensive Android device 
for about the same price but which is actually a phone as well:

Comparatively, the iPod Touch 7 looks like it was released in 2015. In fact, it 
uses the exact same design of the iPod Touch 6 that was released during that 
year.
That means you have a tiny 4-inch screen with gigantic bezels by today's 
standards and a resolution that's not even HD. You're also missing out on a 
fingerprint sensor, GPS, NFC, and can only connect to the internet when you're 
near Wi-Fi.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

I found nothing in any web search to say it does, so my guess is it doesn’t.
You could call Apple and find out for sure; but NFC seems to be an iPhone 
thing; or maybe the iPad Pro’s, I don’t know.



Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

Hi. I’m thinking about getting my wife an ipod 7 for Christmas to use with way 
around tags. (I think that’s what they’re called). Does the ipod support NFC?
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RE: Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would simply go to an Apple Store and ask, many Apple Stores have people who 
know a fair bit about Voiceover and accessibility features/accessories. And you 
can always return it if it doesn’t work and if that is a deal-breaker.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

I found nothing in any web search to say it does, so my guess is it doesn’t.
You could call Apple and find out for sure; but NFC seems to be an iPhone 
thing; or maybe the iPad Pro’s, I don’t know.



Richard

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Hi. I’m thinking about getting my wife an ipod 7 for Christmas to use with way 
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RE: Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

[Richard Turner]

I found nothing in any web search to say it does, so my guess is it doesn’t.
You could call Apple and find out for sure; but NFC seems to be an iPhone 
thing; or maybe the iPad Pro’s, I don’t know.



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Hi. I’m thinking about getting my wife an ipod 7 for Christmas to use with way 
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Does the new ipod 7 have NFC capability?

[Larry Lumpkin]

Hi. I'm thinking about getting my wife an ipod 7 for Christmas to use with
way around tags. (I think that's what they're called). Does the ipod support
NFC?

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Use Maps on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch, Apple Support

[M. Taylor]

Use Maps on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch
Use Maps to get directions with real-time traffic information, explore new
places, share your E.T.A., save your favorite locations, and more.
 
Get directions
1.  Open Maps and enter your destination.
2.  Tap Directions, then choose Drive, Walk, Transit, or Ride.
3.  Select the route you prefer. Maps shows the fastest route first
based on traffic conditions.
4.  Tap Go. To see an overview of your route, tap "Tap for Overview" in
the banner. You can also tap Share E.T.A. to share your location with
someone.
5.  To end navigation, tap End, then tap End Route. You can also ask
Siri to "Stop Navigating" when you have Hands-Free turned on.
When you start moving, Maps updates its position to give you a better sense
of direction. You can also use your finger to scroll ahead to see any
obstructions on your route. Maps also helps you avoid missing a turn or an
exit by suggesting the lane you should be in while driving.

To avoid tolls or highways, go to Settings > Maps, then tap Driving &
Navigation. Tap the slider for Tolls or Highways.
 
Add a detour and adjust your settings
Need to stop for gas on your way to dinner? Add a detour to your trip:
1.  Tap the gray line   while you're navigating to open the menu.
2.  Select an option, like Gas Stations. Maps will show you a list of
nearby places.
3.  Tap Go. Maps will add the detour to your original route.
4.  Tap the blue banner at the top of the screen to resume your route.

To get detailed directions, swipe up on the menu while you're navigating and
tap Details. You can see your trip overview and adjust your Navigation Voice
settings from the same menu bar.
If you paired your device to Bluetooth in your car, you can manage the
Navigation Voice settings. Learn how to use Maps with Bluetooth.
 
Share your E.T.A. in Messages

Share your E.T.A. in Messages
Share your ETA in Messages
Need to share your E.T.A. with someone? Now you can share your location,
route, and destination with anyone in your Contacts list. Here's how:
1. Tap the gray line to open menu while you're navigating.
2. Tap the Share E.T.A. button. 
3. Select one of your recent contacts, or tap Contacts to select someone
from your list. Maps will automatically send your E.T.A. through Messages.
 
Add or remove your favorites
Want quick access to your frequent locations? Whether you want Maps to
remember your home or office, adding favorites is easy: Here's how: 
1.  Open Maps and select a location.
2.  Scroll down and tap Add to Favorites.

To name, share, or remove a favorite:
1.  Open Maps and tap See All.
2.  Swipe left over the favorite, then tap Share or Remove. You can also
tap the info button   next to the favorite to change the label, share your
E.T.A., and more.
 
Create a Collection 
Want to keep track of all your favorite restaurants or parks? You can create
a Collection so you can access the whole list at the same time. Here's how:
1.  Open Maps, tap New Collection, then add a name.
2.  Select a location, then tap the Add to button  .
3.  Choose the collection that you want to add it to. 

To see a collection you created, open Maps and tap the collection name to
see the list of places. You can create as many collections as you want and
add as many locations to a collection. You can also share collections with
friends and family. Just tap the collection, scroll down, then tap the share
icon  . 
 
Get Transit alerts
Maps gives you real-time transit information like outages, cancellations, or
service interruptions. You can also add transit lines that you frequent to
your Transit Lines Collection to see any service interruptions in real-time
using your Today Widget View.
Add a transit line to your Transit Lines Collection:
1.  In Maps, select a transit line that you want alerts about.
2.  Swipe up on the Transit card.
3.  Tap the Add to button  . 
4.  Then select the collection you want to add it to or create a new
collection.
 
Mark the distance between two locations
You can use markers to mark your current location. You can also drop a
marker to show the distance from one location to another.
To mark a location:
1.  Tap the info button   in the upper-right corner of Maps.
2.  Then tap Mark My Location. You can also touch and hold your finger
on a specific area to mark its location.

To get directions between two locations other than your current location:
1.  Tap a landmark icon or drop a marker.
2.  Tap Directions, then tap My Location and enter a different point of
interest.
3.  To change your start point, tap the text bar. You can also tap   to
swap your start and end points.
4.  Tap Route. Maps will show you the fastest route.
To remove a marker, tap the marker, tap Edit Location, then tap Remove
Marker.
 
Search for places nearby
You can use Nearby to search for things that are near your location, like
food and en

Re: Manage Health data on your iPhone, iPod touch, or Apple Watch, Apple Support

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark,

This is a great article. Thanks for sharing it. 

I have been using these features for about 3 years now with my Dexcom Continues 
Glucose Monitoring System (CGM). I just now have discovered an insulin pen 
called “EnPen" that will track every time I take my rapid acting insulin and 
it’s app will sync everything with both DexCom and the Apple Health app. It’s 
almost like having an insulin pump. I can also track carbs and calculate the 
insulin dose for the before mentioned carbs. It will share this data with both 
the DexCom and Apple Health app as well. I use the Apple Health app to bring 
all of the health data from all of my tracking apps. It seems to work better 
than most health tracking apps on the market. 

The Apple Health app is getting a major improvement in iOS 13 on the iPhone and 
it makes tracking and reading data much easier than it was.

Ed W.


> On Sep 4, 2019, at 7:40 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Manage Health data on your iPhone, iPod touch, or Apple Watch
> 
> You can set up apps and accessories to send data to the Health app, enter
> data manually, and change how Health prioritizes data from those sources.
> 
> How Health handles data from multiple sources
> The Health app takes similar data from different sources, like steps
> recorded from your iPhone and activity from your Apple Watch, and organizes
> it based on where it comes from. By default, Health prioritizes data in this
> order:
> 1.Health data that you enter manually.
> 2.Data from your iPhone, iPod touch, and Apple Watch. 
> 3.Data from apps and Bluetooth devices.
> 
> When you add a new data source, it appears above all other apps and devices
> that contribute data for steps in Health. You can change the order of
> sources at any time. 
> 
> View your data sources
> Here's how to see which sources update data for specific Health categories:
> 1.Open the Health app and tap the Health Data tab.
> 2.Tap a category, like Activity. If you don't see the category, swipe
> down to reveal the search bar, then enter a category.
> 3.Tap a data type, like Steps.
> 4.Tap Data Sources & Access. Only the sources that contribute to that
> data type will appear. 
> 
> Here's how to see all of your sources:
> 1.Open the Health app and tap the Sources tab. 
> 2.Tap an app or device. 
> 3.Choose categories that you want the source to access or update in
> the Health app.
> 
> Prioritize data sources
> Here's how to choose the sources that Health uses first:
> 1.Open the Health app and tap the Health Data tab.
> 2.Tap a category, like Activity.
> 3.Tap a data type, like Steps.
> 4.Tap Data Sources & Access, then tap Edit.
> 5.Touch and hold   next to a data source, then drag it up or down in
> the list. 
> 6.To turn off a data source so that it doesn't contribute any more
> data for that category, tap the checkmark next to the source.
> 7.Tap Done.
> If multiple sources contribute the same data type, then the data source at
> the top will take priority over other sources. Any new apps or devices that
> you add go to the top of the list automatically, above your iPhone or iPod
> touch. 
> 
> Enter data
> You can enter data that isn't tracked by an app or device. For example, if
> you get your blood pressure from a doctor's visit, you can enter it.
> 1.Open the Health app and tap the Health Data tab. 
> 2.Tap a health category, like Vitals.
> 3.Tap a data type, like Blood Pressure.
> 4.Tap  , in the upper-right corner.
> 5.Enter the date, time, and data for that activity.
> 6.When you're finished, tap Add.
> 
> 
> Explore more Health features
> . Set up and use the Health app on your iPhone or iPod touch.
> . Set up a Medical ID in the Health app to access important medical
> information.
> . Track your sleep with Bedtime in the Clock app.
> . With iOS 11.3, you can see your health records from multiple
> institutions right on your iPhone. Add your health records and see the
> supported institutions. 
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204351
> 
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Manage Health data on your iPhone, iPod touch, or Apple Watch, Apple Support

[M. Taylor]

Manage Health data on your iPhone, iPod touch, or Apple Watch

You can set up apps and accessories to send data to the Health app, enter
data manually, and change how Health prioritizes data from those sources.

How Health handles data from multiple sources
The Health app takes similar data from different sources, like steps
recorded from your iPhone and activity from your Apple Watch, and organizes
it based on where it comes from. By default, Health prioritizes data in this
order:
1.  Health data that you enter manually.
2.  Data from your iPhone, iPod touch, and Apple Watch. 
3.  Data from apps and Bluetooth devices.

When you add a new data source, it appears above all other apps and devices
that contribute data for steps in Health. You can change the order of
sources at any time. 
 
View your data sources
Here's how to see which sources update data for specific Health categories:
1.  Open the Health app and tap the Health Data tab.
2.  Tap a category, like Activity. If you don't see the category, swipe
down to reveal the search bar, then enter a category.
3.  Tap a data type, like Steps.
4.  Tap Data Sources & Access. Only the sources that contribute to that
data type will appear. 

Here's how to see all of your sources:
1.  Open the Health app and tap the Sources tab. 
2.  Tap an app or device. 
3.  Choose categories that you want the source to access or update in
the Health app.
 
Prioritize data sources
Here's how to choose the sources that Health uses first:
1.  Open the Health app and tap the Health Data tab.
2.  Tap a category, like Activity.
3.  Tap a data type, like Steps.
4.  Tap Data Sources & Access, then tap Edit.
5.  Touch and hold   next to a data source, then drag it up or down in
the list. 
6.  To turn off a data source so that it doesn't contribute any more
data for that category, tap the checkmark next to the source.
7.  Tap Done.
If multiple sources contribute the same data type, then the data source at
the top will take priority over other sources. Any new apps or devices that
you add go to the top of the list automatically, above your iPhone or iPod
touch. 
 
Enter data
You can enter data that isn't tracked by an app or device. For example, if
you get your blood pressure from a doctor's visit, you can enter it.
1.  Open the Health app and tap the Health Data tab. 
2.  Tap a health category, like Vitals.
3.  Tap a data type, like Blood Pressure.
4.  Tap  , in the upper-right corner.
5.  Enter the date, time, and data for that activity.
6.  When you're finished, tap Add.

 
Explore more Health features
.   Set up and use the Health app on your iPhone or iPod touch.
.   Set up a Medical ID in the Health app to access important medical
information.
.   Track your sleep with Bedtime in the Clock app.
.   With iOS 11.3, you can see your health records from multiple
institutions right on your iPhone. Add your health records and see the
supported institutions. 

Original Article at:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204351


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RE: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am not sure I follow the logic, you need WiFi for Sonos to work anyways, no 
WiFi no Sonos. Therefore, what does it matter if Airplay uses WiFi.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

the problem with Airplay is that the user needs a WiFi connection.
sonos does not have a Bluetooth option after this change.  this means it is not 
much different from a Home Pod.

Kelly  

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On 6/19/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> And you don't have a PC? You could easily play all your music on Sonos 
> by adding it to your Music folder on a computer (PC or Mac) and then 
> use the Sonos app to give Sonos access to this folder.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Traci Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' 
> feature | Sonos
>
> LOL, yes I still have music on both my iPhone and I touch. We also 
> have two play ones in the house..
>
> I looked at Amazon trade-in, they would give me $50 for each of them. 
> I’m just not sure if I’m ready to go that route.
>
> Any music cloud suggestions?
>
> Traci
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I guess it all depends on your sources and how you listen. As 
>> the article mentions, there are plenty of options to play music that 
>> is locally stored on your iPhone whereas I would consider Airplay the 
>> most obvious and easies. I think most people by now have either a 
>> Sonos One or a Play 5 and of course as time goes by I assume all new 
>> Sonos products will be Airplay 2 compatible. I certainly won't shed a 
>> tear over it since it's been years since I actually had music on my iPhone.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | 
>> Sonos
>>
>> I am so sad to read about this. Does anyone have any experience with 
>> the music cloud services they mention?
>>
>> Traci
>>
>> https://support.sonos.com/s/article/2922?language=en_US
>>
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the problem with Airplay is that the user needs a WiFi connection.
sonos does not have a Bluetooth option after this change.  this means
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On 6/19/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> And you don't have a PC? You could easily play all your music on Sonos by
> adding it to your Music folder on a computer (PC or Mac) and then use the
> Sonos app to give Sonos access to this folder.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature |
> Sonos
>
> LOL, yes I still have music on both my iPhone and I touch. We also have two
> play ones in the house..
>
> I looked at Amazon trade-in, they would give me $50 for each of them. I’m
> just not sure if I’m ready to go that route.
>
> Any music cloud suggestions?
>
> Traci
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I guess it all depends on your sources and how you listen. As the
>> article mentions, there are plenty of options to play music that is
>> locally stored on your iPhone whereas I would consider Airplay the most
>> obvious and easies. I think most people by now have either a Sonos One or
>> a Play 5 and of course as time goes by I assume all new Sonos products
>> will be Airplay 2 compatible. I certainly won't shed a tear over it since
>> it's been years since I actually had music on my iPhone.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature |
>> Sonos
>>
>> I am so sad to read about this. Does anyone have any experience with the
>> music cloud services they mention?
>>
>> Traci
>>
>> https://support.sonos.com/s/article/2922?language=en_US
>>
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RE: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And you don't have a PC? You could easily play all your music on Sonos by 
adding it to your Music folder on a computer (PC or Mac) and then use the Sonos 
app to give Sonos access to this folder.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

LOL, yes I still have music on both my iPhone and I touch. We also have two 
play ones in the house.. 

I looked at Amazon trade-in, they would give me $50 for each of them. I’m just 
not sure if I’m ready to go that route.

Any music cloud suggestions?

Traci 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess it all depends on your sources and how you listen. As the 
> article mentions, there are plenty of options to play music that is locally 
> stored on your iPhone whereas I would consider Airplay the most obvious and 
> easies. I think most people by now have either a Sonos One or a Play 5 and of 
> course as time goes by I assume all new Sonos products will be Airplay 2 
> compatible. I certainly won't shed a tear over it since it's been years since 
> I actually had music on my iPhone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos
> 
> I am so sad to read about this. Does anyone have any experience with the 
> music cloud services they mention?
> 
> Traci
> 
> https://support.sonos.com/s/article/2922?language=en_US
> 
> 
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Re: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

[Traci Duncan]

LOL, yes I still have music on both my iPhone and I touch. We also have two 
play ones in the house.. 

I looked at Amazon trade-in, they would give me $50 for each of them. I’m just 
not sure if I’m ready to go that route.

Any music cloud suggestions?

Traci 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess it all depends on your sources and how you listen. As the 
> article mentions, there are plenty of options to play music that is locally 
> stored on your iPhone whereas I would consider Airplay the most obvious and 
> easies. I think most people by now have either a Sonos One or a Play 5 and of 
> course as time goes by I assume all new Sonos products will be Airplay 2 
> compatible. I certainly won't shed a tear over it since it's been years since 
> I actually had music on my iPhone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos
> 
> I am so sad to read about this. Does anyone have any experience with the 
> music cloud services they mention?
> 
> Traci
> 
> https://support.sonos.com/s/article/2922?language=en_US
> 
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RE: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, I guess it all depends on your sources and how you listen. As the article 
mentions, there are plenty of options to play music that is locally stored on 
your iPhone whereas I would consider Airplay the most obvious and easies. I 
think most people by now have either a Sonos One or a Play 5 and of course as 
time goes by I assume all new Sonos products will be Airplay 2 compatible. I 
certainly won't shed a tear over it since it's been years since I actually had 
music on my iPhone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

I am so sad to read about this. Does anyone have any experience with the music 
cloud services they mention?

Traci

https://support.sonos.com/s/article/2922?language=en_US


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Removing the 'On this iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch' feature | Sonos

[Traci Duncan]

I am so sad to read about this. Does anyone have any experience with the music 
cloud services they mention?

Traci

https://support.sonos.com/s/article/2922?language=en_US


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Re: iPhone and iPod Touch release dates and the beginning of Voiceover, was: access

[lenron brown]

also with that ipod 3g it only had voice over on the ipod starting at 32 gb

On 6/11/19, Arlene  wrote:
> Very interesting information, thank you.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 9:04 PM
> Subject: iPhone and iPod Touch release dates and the beginning of Voiceover,
>
> was: access
>
>
> You must have gotten your year wrong, iOS did not even exist in 2006.
> The first iPhone came out in 2007, the first iPhone with Voiceover was in
> 2009 (same as the first iPod Touch which was the third gen).
> Below is a listing o fall models of iPod Touch and iPhone with release date
>
> and the version of iOS they had at release:
>
> iPod Touch 1st gen: September 5, 2007
> iPod Touch 2nd gen: September 9, 2008
> iPod Touch 3rd gen: September 9, 2009
> iPod Touch 4th gen: September 1, 2010
> iPod Touch 5th gen: October 11, 2012
> iPod Touch 6th gen: July 15, 2015
> iPod Touch 7th gen: May 28, 2019
>
> iPhone with iPhone OS 1.0, released on June 29, 2007
> iPhone 3G with iPhone OS 2.0, released on  July 11, 2008
> iPhone 3GS with iPhone OS 3.0, released on June 19, 2009 (first iPhone with
>
> Voiceover)
> iPhone 4 with iOS 4.0, released on June 21, 2010
> iPhone 4S with iOS 5.0, released on October 14, 2011 (first iPhone to have
> SIRI)
> iPhone 5 with iOS 6.0, released on September 21, 2012
> iPhone 5S and 5C with iOS 7.0, released on September 20, 2013 (the 5S was
> the first iPhone with Touch Id and 64 Bit support)
> iPhone 6/6 Plus with iOS 8.0, released on September 19, 2014
> iPhone 6S/6S Plus with iOS 9.0, released on September 25, 2015
> iPhone SE with iOS 9.3, released on March 31, 2016
> iPhone 7/7 Plus with iOS 10.0, released on September 16, 2016 (first iPhone
>
> without 3.5mm headphone jack)
> iPhone 8/8 Plus with iOS 11.0, released on September 22, 2017
> iPhone X with iOS 11.1, released on November 3, 2017 (first iPhone without
> home button, Face Id and OLED screen)
> iPhone XS/XS Max with iOS 12.0, released on September 21, 2018
> iPhone XR with iOS 12, released on October 26, 2018
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: access
>
> I have been using apple products since my first iOS device in 2006 it was
> the I pod fourth generation.then I got a Mac book air Whitch I still use
> then I had a I pad mini first generation whitch my dad uses and now I have
> the 256 gig I pad air third generation apple products rock
>
>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Arlene  wrote:
>>
>> Anthony, congradulations, I'm glad you've been using apple products
>> for the last 10 years and you said you couldn't imagine going back to
>> a computer. So this suits you perfectly. I'm an owner of a major recording
>>
>> studio www.alldigitalaudio.com I've seen a lot of change in the last 70
>> years in my business. Having said that, I really can't imagine ending up
>> doing all the recording productions on ipads, ipods or iphones. The
>> minimal would be  a purpose built pc or a mac mini, so sometimes you just
>>
>> can't get away from these desktops. I'm so thankful that there's something
>>
>> for everyone. Oh and one more thing, around here, we like apple products,
>>
>> we have 4 se iphones and 1 ipad. You never know, one of these days, I'll
>> buy a big mac and put protools on it. I've been an audio recording
>> engineer since my early  school days in 1963, and now at the young age of
>>
>> 67, I've got many years to go. So which ever device or devices you choose
>>
>> to use happy computing.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Anthony Vece" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: access
>>
>>
>> Hi Arlene and List;
>> I will be 67 years old come the end of this month.
>> I will never stop trying to learn new concepts  and I do my best to except
>>
>> change in a positive way.
>> I’ve been using the Apple Echo system for 10 years.
>>
>> It’s such a pleasure to be on this list and conversing with all these
>> positive people.
>> I haven’t had a computer for two years and, I don’t believe I would use
>> one again unless I absolutely had to.
>> BGod Bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Arlene  wrote:
>>>
>>> Holly, I'll be 65 a month from tomorrow. Thinking back to when we grew up
>>>
>>> in the 50's, 60'

Re: iPhone and iPod Touch release dates and the beginning of Voiceover, was: access

[Arlene]

Very interesting information, thank you.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 9:04 PM
Subject: iPhone and iPod Touch release dates and the beginning of Voiceover, 
was: access



You must have gotten your year wrong, iOS did not even exist in 2006.
The first iPhone came out in 2007, the first iPhone with Voiceover was in 
2009 (same as the first iPod Touch which was the third gen).
Below is a listing o fall models of iPod Touch and iPhone with release date 
and the version of iOS they had at release:


iPod Touch 1st gen: September 5, 2007
iPod Touch 2nd gen: September 9, 2008
iPod Touch 3rd gen: September 9, 2009
iPod Touch 4th gen: September 1, 2010
iPod Touch 5th gen: October 11, 2012
iPod Touch 6th gen: July 15, 2015
iPod Touch 7th gen: May 28, 2019

iPhone with iPhone OS 1.0, released on June 29, 2007
iPhone 3G with iPhone OS 2.0, released on  July 11, 2008
iPhone 3GS with iPhone OS 3.0, released on June 19, 2009 (first iPhone with 
Voiceover)

iPhone 4 with iOS 4.0, released on June 21, 2010
iPhone 4S with iOS 5.0, released on October 14, 2011 (first iPhone to have 
SIRI)

iPhone 5 with iOS 6.0, released on September 21, 2012
iPhone 5S and 5C with iOS 7.0, released on September 20, 2013 (the 5S was 
the first iPhone with Touch Id and 64 Bit support)

iPhone 6/6 Plus with iOS 8.0, released on September 19, 2014
iPhone 6S/6S Plus with iOS 9.0, released on September 25, 2015
iPhone SE with iOS 9.3, released on March 31, 2016
iPhone 7/7 Plus with iOS 10.0, released on September 16, 2016 (first iPhone 
without 3.5mm headphone jack)

iPhone 8/8 Plus with iOS 11.0, released on September 22, 2017
iPhone X with iOS 11.1, released on November 3, 2017 (first iPhone without 
home button, Face Id and OLED screen)

iPhone XS/XS Max with iOS 12.0, released on September 21, 2018
iPhone XR with iOS 12, released on October 26, 2018


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: access

I have been using apple products since my first iOS device in 2006 it was 
the I pod fourth generation.then I got a Mac book air Whitch I still use 
then I had a I pad mini first generation whitch my dad uses and now I have 
the 256 gig I pad air third generation apple products rock



On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Arlene  wrote:

Anthony, congradulations, I'm glad you've been using apple products
for the last 10 years and you said you couldn't imagine going back to
a computer. So this suits you perfectly. I'm an owner of a major recording 
studio www.alldigitalaudio.com I've seen a lot of change in the last 70 
years in my business. Having said that, I really can't imagine ending up 
doing all the recording productions on ipads, ipods or iphones. The 
minimal would be  a purpose built pc or a mac mini, so sometimes you just 
can't get away from these desktops. I'm so thankful that there's something 
for everyone. Oh and one more thing, around here, we like apple products, 
we have 4 se iphones and 1 ipad. You never know, one of these days, I'll 
buy a big mac and put protools on it. I've been an audio recording 
engineer since my early  school days in 1963, and now at the young age of 
67, I've got many years to go. So which ever device or devices you choose 
to use happy computing.


Wayne


- Original Message - From: "Anthony Vece" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: access


Hi Arlene and List;
I will be 67 years old come the end of this month.
I will never stop trying to learn new concepts  and I do my best to except 
change in a positive way.

I’ve been using the Apple Echo system for 10 years.

It’s such a pleasure to be on this list and conversing with all these 
positive people.
I haven’t had a computer for two years and, I don’t believe I would use 
one again unless I absolutely had to.

BGod Bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Arlene  wrote:

Holly, I'll be 65 a month from tomorrow. Thinking back to when we grew up 
in the 50's, 60's and 70's, it's amazing how much access we have in the 
iphone with all we can do, it's like magic compared to then. I too, was 
hessitant about whether I could get use to a touch screen. I partly 
thought I could get use to it due to  in 2 different stores getting to 
see an iphone and getting to  see what it was like to navigate the 
screen. One time was back in 2012 or 2013, one of the sales guys in an 
at store showed me his iphone and showed me how to dial a phone number 
on the screen and he did put voice over on for me. The second time was 
when Wayne and I went to the verizon store in the summer of, I think it 
was 2017, my birthday and I purchased a flip phone that I wanted and and 
that was the day that we saw the se phone. The salesman showed us a 
little bit and we just played with it for about 45 minutes, we loved the 
size of th

iPhone and iPod Touch release dates and the beginning of Voiceover, was: access

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You must have gotten your year wrong, iOS did not even exist in 2006.
The first iPhone came out in 2007, the first iPhone with Voiceover was in 2009 
(same as the first iPod Touch which was the third gen).
Below is a listing o fall models of iPod Touch and iPhone with release date and 
the version of iOS they had at release:

iPod Touch 1st gen: September 5, 2007
iPod Touch 2nd gen: September 9, 2008
iPod Touch 3rd gen: September 9, 2009
iPod Touch 4th gen: September 1, 2010
iPod Touch 5th gen: October 11, 2012
iPod Touch 6th gen: July 15, 2015
iPod Touch 7th gen: May 28, 2019

iPhone with iPhone OS 1.0, released on June 29, 2007
iPhone 3G with iPhone OS 2.0, released on  July 11, 2008
iPhone 3GS with iPhone OS 3.0, released on June 19, 2009 (first iPhone with 
Voiceover)
iPhone 4 with iOS 4.0, released on June 21, 2010
iPhone 4S with iOS 5.0, released on October 14, 2011 (first iPhone to have SIRI)
iPhone 5 with iOS 6.0, released on September 21, 2012
iPhone 5S and 5C with iOS 7.0, released on September 20, 2013 (the 5S was the 
first iPhone with Touch Id and 64 Bit support)
iPhone 6/6 Plus with iOS 8.0, released on September 19, 2014
iPhone 6S/6S Plus with iOS 9.0, released on September 25, 2015
iPhone SE with iOS 9.3, released on March 31, 2016
iPhone 7/7 Plus with iOS 10.0, released on September 16, 2016 (first iPhone 
without 3.5mm headphone jack)
iPhone 8/8 Plus with iOS 11.0, released on September 22, 2017
iPhone X with iOS 11.1, released on November 3, 2017 (first iPhone without home 
button, Face Id and OLED screen)
iPhone XS/XS Max with iOS 12.0, released on September 21, 2018
iPhone XR with iOS 12, released on October 26, 2018


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: access

I have been using apple products since my first iOS device in 2006 it was the I 
pod fourth generation.then I got a Mac book air Whitch I still use then I had a 
I pad mini first generation whitch my dad uses and now I have the 256 gig I pad 
air third generation apple products rock

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> Anthony, congradulations, I'm glad you've been using apple products 
> for the last 10 years and you said you couldn't imagine going back to 
> a computer. So this suits you perfectly. I'm an owner of a major recording 
> studio www.alldigitalaudio.com I've seen a lot of change in the last 70 years 
> in my business. Having said that, I really can't imagine ending up doing all 
> the recording productions on ipads, ipods or iphones. The minimal would be  a 
> purpose built pc or a mac mini, so sometimes you just can't get away from 
> these desktops. I'm so thankful that there's something for everyone. Oh and 
> one more thing, around here, we like apple products, we have 4 se iphones and 
> 1 ipad. You never know, one of these days, I'll buy a big mac and put 
> protools on it. I've been an audio recording engineer since my early  school 
> days in 1963, and now at the young age of 67, I've got many years to go. So 
> which ever device or devices you choose to use happy computing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anthony Vece" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: access
> 
> 
> Hi Arlene and List;
> I will be 67 years old come the end of this month.
> I will never stop trying to learn new concepts  and I do my best to except 
> change in a positive way.
> I’ve been using the Apple Echo system for 10 years.
> 
> It’s such a pleasure to be on this list and conversing with all these 
> positive people.
> I haven’t had a computer for two years and, I don’t believe I would use one 
> again unless I absolutely had to.
> BGod Bless
> Anthony
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Arlene  wrote:
>> 
>> Holly, I'll be 65 a month from tomorrow. Thinking back to when we grew up in 
>> the 50's, 60's and 70's, it's amazing how much access we have in the iphone 
>> with all we can do, it's like magic compared to then. I too, was hessitant 
>> about whether I could get use to a touch screen. I partly thought I could 
>> get use to it due to  in 2 different stores getting to see an iphone and 
>> getting to  see what it was like to navigate the screen. One time was back 
>> in 2012 or 2013, one of the sales guys in an at store showed me his iphone 
>> and showed me how to dial a phone number on the screen and he did put voice 
>> over on for me. The second time was when Wayne and I went to the verizon 
>> store in the summer of, I think it was 2017, my birthday and I purchased a 
>> flip phone that I wanted and and that was the day that we saw the se phone. 
>> The salesman showed us a little bit an

Re: New iPod touch announced

[Russ Kiehne]

My 5th generation ipod touch is running ios 9.  This is why I’m thinking about 
getting a ipod touch 7th generation.

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

Mary,

Thanks for the answer :)
If I'm not going wrong, this is running iOS 10. But it's been a while since I 
last played with the toy so I'm really not sure.


Cheers, 
Marcio 
AKA Starboy


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Re: New iPod touch announced

[Gerardo Corripio]

I don’t think so. You’d need to buy the newer 7th Generation one. Nevertheless 
try updating to see up to what iOS version it goes up to. I’d say maybe it goes 
up to 9 or ten?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 31 may 2019, a la(s) 6:05 p. m., 'Marcio' via VIPhone 
 escribió:

> I have an iPod 5th generation. At that time I bought it because I wanted 
> something Apple to play with, and I couldn't afford the iPhone Prices here in 
> my country (Brazil).
> 
> Since we are on this topic, can I update my iPod 5th generation to the latest 
> iOS or would I have to buy a new one?
> 
> Thanks a lot for any and all help.
> 
> Cheers, 
> Marcio
> AKA Starboy
> 
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Re: New iPod touch announced

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

Mary,
Thanks for the answer :)
If I'm not going wrong, this is running iOS 10. But it's been a while 
since I last played with the toy so I'm really not sure.


Cheers,
Marcio 
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Re: New iPod touch announced

[Mary Otten]

You would have to get a new iPod to update to the latest iOS. The sixth 
generation iPod I believe does work on iOS 12, but not the fifth. And whether 
the sixth Jan will work on iOS 13 is as yet unknown of course.
Mary


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> On May 31, 2019, at 4:05 PM, 'Marcio' via VIPhone  
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> 
> I have an iPod 5th generation. At that time I bought it because I wanted 
> something Apple to play with, and I couldn't afford the iPhone Prices here in 
> my country (Brazil).
> 
> Since we are on this topic, can I update my iPod 5th generation to the latest 
> iOS or would I have to buy a new one?
> 
> Thanks a lot for any and all help.
> 
> Cheers, 
> Marcio
> AKA Starboy
> 
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Re: New iPod touch announced

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

I have an iPod 5th generation. At that time I bought it because I wanted 
something Apple to play with, and I couldn't afford the iPhone Prices 
here in my country (Brazil).


Since we are on this topic, can I update my iPod 5th generation to the 
latest iOS or would I have to buy a new one?


Thanks a lot for any and all help.

Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA /Starboy/


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Re: New iPod touch announced

[Russ Kiehne]

My first device was a ipod touch 4th generation.  I bought a tactel screen 
protector for it.  A few years later, I got the ipod touch 5th generation.

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

My experience is just like yours, richard. My first device was also an iPod 
touch third-generation, and I loved it. That is after I got used to the 
touchscreen. Typing was particularly challenging. I was just hoping for a 
better processor, because I have an iPhone 7 Plus which is pretty much acting 
like an iPod touch now. Had they put a better processor in it, I probably would 
have gone for one. But with the iPhone 7 Plus, I don’t see the point.



Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2019, at 5:32 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:



  The iPod Touch is geared for people who either do not want a cell phone; or 
want a device to use for non-phone functions like music, books, games, etc. 
  My first accessible Apple device was the iPod touch 3rd generation because I 
did not want an iPhone in those days.
  That was 10 years ago this November.
  It took several years before I decided I wanted an iPhone.
  Part of the reason back then was I didn't want to spend money on a cell phone 
plan.
  I've had lots of clients over the years that went with either an iPod Touch 
or iPad because they did not want or couldn't afford, the cell phone plan.
  Richard



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  On May 30, 2019, at 3:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:


Hi!

Perhaps they are doing it for the people who would like to have benefits of 
using iOS at significantly lower prices.

Also, I rarely listen to music on my iPhone. Sometimes when I'm out or 
travelling. It never crossed my mind to use iPhone as a music player in my 
house because I hate when calls or notifications interrupt the playback so the 
iPod is better solution for that.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

30.5.2019. u 10:17, Fanus Buys je napisao/la:

  Hello Mary, Sieghard and list

  Just my few cents. I bought the last iPod touch 6th Gen which was 
available in SA two years ago. Maybe I am ignorant but I can not find anything 
that the Touch can do which my iPhone 7 can't do and even the battery life is 
not so good. Had I known this I would just have obtained an iPhone with more 
memory, exactly what I am going to do at the end of the year when my iPhone 
contract expires. So the short and the long is that I can't understand why 
Apple produces new iPods when an iPhone can do the same and much more or are 
there features of the iPod which I miss?

  Regards

  Fanus





  -Original Message-

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten

  Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:15

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced



  Well, I would not have minded a $50 price increase for a better chip 
which would mean more updates. Also, they should’ve made the entry level 64. 
They’re just being cheap. My guess is that in two years, that thing is not 
going to be seeing updates any more. Then what?



  Sent from my iPhone



On May 29, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be 
a huge difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which is even a 
step down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means  it was far from 
supporting 64 Bit.

I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into 
the iPod Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple did and it 
would cost $50 or $80 more, also, I have a feeling that for what most people 
use an iPod Touch for simply does not require such a powerful processor.





-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kathy Brandt

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:05 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced



You will notice a definite difference from the five. Enjoy! I have a 
6th gen, which has a speed difference from my fifth.



  On May 29, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:



  I'm thinking about getting one.  I have the 5th generation ipod touch.



  -Original Message- From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone

  Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:54 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Re: New iPod touch

Re: New iPod touch announced

[Mary Otten]

No. The camera is the same. At least according to what I read. Same display 
same everything except for the processor and the bump up in memory.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard, was the camera upgraded on the new touch?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 10:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New iPod touch announced
>  
> It has a 4 inch screen, same as the iPhone 5 or 5S, but a bit smaller than a 
> 6/6s/7 or 8, also thinner and apparently even the newest iPod Touch still has 
> a 3.5mm headphone jack.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced
>  
> Thanks for explaining to me, Richard. I just have one more question, is the 
> ipod touch the same size as a phone? thanks
>  
> Arlene
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced
>  
> No, the iPod Touch is only a Wi-Fi device, with no cellular capacity.
> You can do FaceTime audio or video calls over Wi-Fi, or Skype.
> But, you can use any app on the iPod Touch that you can use on the iPhone if 
> it does not require cellular data.
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On May 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> Richard, We'lll have to read about the ipod touch, but I have a few 
> questions. Can you make phone calls on the ipod touch and also everything you 
> can do as far as apps  that you use on your iphone can you use on the ipod 
> touch? Thanks.
>  
> Arlene
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced
>  
>  
> For comparison, the iPod touch 6th generation has the A8 chip, the new touch 
> has the A10 chip. The iPhone SE has the A9 chip; so the new Touch can do all 
> the Augmented Reality visual stuff, etc. 
> It would appear to still have a home button, 3.5 MM earphone Jack, etc.
> Just out of curiosity, I checked for refurbished iPod Touch 6th generation 
> touches and a 128 GB model is $215 while a new Touch with the same memory is 
> $299.
> I guess it depends on what one will be doing with it whether it would be 
> worth it.
>  
> Richard
>  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard or anyone else: Can someone give me a quick run-down of what makes 
> the new ipod touch different from the ipod touch 6? Sieghard, I agree with 
> you. I wouldn't expect apple to put their best chip in an ipod touch. Like 
> you said, people are going to complain either way.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New iPod touch announced
> 
> Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be a 
> huge difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which is even a 
> step down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means  it was far from 
> supporting 64 Bit.
> I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into the 
> iPod Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple did and it 
> would cost $50 or $80 more, also, I have a feeling that for what most people 
> use an iPod Touch for simply does not require such a powerful processor.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:05 AM
> To: vip

RE: New iPod touch announced

[Larry Lumpkin]

Sieghard, was the camera upgraded on the new touch?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 10:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New iPod touch announced

 

It has a 4 inch screen, same as the iPhone 5 or 5S, but a bit smaller than a 
6/6s/7 or 8, also thinner and apparently even the newest iPod Touch still has a 
3.5mm headphone jack.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

 

Thanks for explaining to me, Richard. I just have one more question, is the 
ipod touch the same size as a phone? thanks

 

Arlene

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

 

No, the iPod Touch is only a Wi-Fi device, with no cellular capacity. 

You can do FaceTime audio or video calls over Wi-Fi, or Skype.

But, you can use any app on the iPod Touch that you can use on the iPhone if it 
does not require cellular data.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Arlene mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Richard, We'lll have to read about the ipod touch, but I have a few questions. 
Can you make phone calls on the ipod touch and also everything you can do as 
far as apps  that you use on your iphone can you use on the ipod touch? Thanks.

 

Arlene

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

 

 

For comparison, the iPod touch 6th generation has the A8 chip, the new touch 
has the A10 chip. The iPhone SE has the A9 chip; so the new Touch can do all 
the Augmented Reality visual stuff, etc.  

It would appear to still have a home button, 3.5 MM earphone Jack, etc.

Just out of curiosity, I checked for refurbished iPod Touch 6th generation 
touches and a 128 GB model is $215 while a new Touch with the same memory is 
$299.

I guess it depends on what one will be doing with it whether it would be worth 
it.

 

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com=02%7C01%7C%7C078a016ad5c84be99c2108d6e4a6225a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636947799523315352=FpcqKZS5La2JDlWwj729PNBthfLIriCpm6nohMbwiIg%3D=0>
 

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Larry Lumpkin mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com> > wrote:

Sieghard or anyone else: Can someone give me a quick run-down of what makes the 
new ipod touch different from the ipod touch 6? Sieghard, I agree with you. I 
wouldn't expect apple to put their best chip in an ipod touch. Like you said, 
people are going to complain either way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: New iPod touch announced

Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be a huge 
difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which is even a step 
down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means  it was far from 
supporting 64 Bit.
I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into the iPod 
Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple did and it would 
cost $50 or $80 more, also, I have a feeling that for what most people use an 
iPod Touch for simply does not require such a powerful processor.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kathy Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:05 AM
To: viph

RE: New iPod touch announced

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It has a 4 inch screen, same as the iPhone 5 or 5S, but a bit smaller than a 
6/6s/7 or 8, also thinner and apparently even the newest iPod Touch still has a 
3.5mm headphone jack.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

Thanks for explaining to me, Richard. I just have one more question, is the 
ipod touch the same size as a phone? thanks

Arlene
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

No, the iPod Touch is only a Wi-Fi device, with no cellular capacity.
You can do FaceTime audio or video calls over Wi-Fi, or Skype.
But, you can use any app on the iPod Touch that you can use on the iPhone if it 
does not require cellular data.

HTH,
Richard

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On May 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Richard, We'lll have to read about the ipod touch, but I have a few questions. 
Can you make phone calls on the ipod touch and also everything you can do as 
far as apps  that you use on your iphone can you use on the ipod touch? Thanks.

Arlene

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced


For comparison, the iPod touch 6th generation has the A8 chip, the new touch 
has the A10 chip. The iPhone SE has the A9 chip; so the new Touch can do all 
the Augmented Reality visual stuff, etc.
It would appear to still have a home button, 3.5 MM earphone Jack, etc.
Just out of curiosity, I checked for refurbished iPod Touch 6th generation 
touches and a 128 GB model is $215 while a new Touch with the same memory is 
$299.
I guess it depends on what one will be doing with it whether it would be worth 
it.

Richard

Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com=02%7C01%7C%7C078a016ad5c84be99c2108d6e4a6225a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636947799523315352=FpcqKZS5La2JDlWwj729PNBthfLIriCpm6nohMbwiIg%3D=0>
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Larry Lumpkin 
mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:
Sieghard or anyone else: Can someone give me a quick run-down of what makes the 
new ipod touch different from the ipod touch 6? Sieghard, I agree with you. I 
wouldn't expect apple to put their best chip in an ipod touch. Like you said, 
people are going to complain either way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: New iPod touch announced

Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be a huge 
difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which is even a step 
down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means  it was far from 
supporting 64 Bit.
I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into the iPod 
Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple did and it would 
cost $50 or $80 more, also, I have a feeling that for what most people use an 
iPod Touch for simply does not require such a powerful processor.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

You will notice a definite difference from the five. Enjoy! I have a 6th gen, 
which has a speed difference from my fifth.


On May 29, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne 
mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm thinking

RE: New iPod touch announced

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I once kept my old iPhone, the 5S at the time, after I got my 6S. I thought I 
could use it at home just like an iPod Touch, but I quickly realized that this 
arrangement was not for me. I ended up always using my 6S, I found it 
inconvenient to update both devices and even though Audible books play fairly 
seamlessly on another device where you left off, it occasionally does not work, 
then I have to find my spot and so on. I appreciate how some may find it just 
right to have an iPhone and an iPad or iPod Touch, but for me having my iPhone 
and my PC is equally perfect. As far as phone calls and such interrupting when 
I listen that is perfectly fine for me, if I listen to a book and somebody 
calls I want to stop the book anyways so if it stops automatically and then 
continues to play when I hang up that is I think pretty sweet. When it comes to 
music then I almost always listen via Sonos at home and if I do listen on my 
iPhone and somebody calls the same applies, I would want my music to stop 
anyways. I much prefer to maybe get a new battery installed if I use the one on 
my iPhone a lot and recharge it a lot, still much cheaper than to pay hundreds 
of Dollars for a device which is basically the same as what I have with less 
features.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

In terms of pricing, at least here in Mexico at around $4500mxn, with that, 
that’s how much my SE cost my parents with my current plan! So yes ‘d agree 
that maybe an IPOd touch might not be as worthwile in the long-run after all.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 30 may 2019, a la(s) 9:28 a. m., lenron brown  escribió:

> There is no point when the thing cost just as much as a used IPhone 
> for the 32 gb model
> 
>> On 5/30/19, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> My experience is just like yours, richard. My first device was also 
>> an iPod touch third-generation, and I loved it. That is after I got 
>> used to the touchscreen. Typing was particularly challenging. I was 
>> just hoping for a better processor, because I have an iPhone 7 Plus 
>> which is pretty much acting like an iPod touch now. Had they put a 
>> better processor in it, I probably would have gone for one. But with 
>> the iPhone 7 Plus, I don’t see the point.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 5:32 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The iPod Touch is geared for people who either do not want a cell 
>>> phone; or want a device to use for non-phone functions like music, 
>>> books, games, etc.
>>> My first accessible Apple device was the iPod touch 3rd generation 
>>> because I did not want an iPhone in those days.
>>> That was 10 years ago this November.
>>> It took several years before I decided I wanted an iPhone.
>>> Part of the reason back then was I didn't want to spend money on a 
>>> cell phone plan.
>>> I've had lots of clients over the years that went with either an 
>>> iPod Touch or iPad because they did not want or couldn't afford, the 
>>> cell phone plan.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide 
>>> to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an 
>>> art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>> 
>>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
>>> don't have any." -- Alice Walker
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2019, at 3:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps they are doing it for the people who would like to have 
>>>> benefits of using iOS at significantly lower prices.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I rarely listen to music on my iPhone. Sometimes when I'm out 
>>>> or travelling. It never crossed my mind to use iPhone as a music 
>>>> player in my house because I hate when calls or notifications 
>>>> interrupt the playback so the iPod is better solution for that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> S poštovanjem
>>>> 
>>>> Gordan Radić
>>>> 
>>>> 30.5.2019. u 10:17, Fanus Buys je napisao/la:
>>>>> Hello Mary, Sieghard and list
>>>>> Just my few cents. I bought the last iPod t

Re: New iPod touch announced

[Gerardo Corripio]

In terms of pricing, at least here in Mexico at around $4500mxn, with that, 
that’s how much my SE cost my parents with my current plan! So yes ‘d agree 
that maybe an IPOd touch might not be as worthwile in the long-run after all.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 30 may 2019, a la(s) 9:28 a. m., lenron brown  escribió:

> There is no point when the thing cost just as much as a used IPhone
> for the 32 gb model
> 
>> On 5/30/19, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> My experience is just like yours, richard. My first device was also an iPod
>> touch third-generation, and I loved it. That is after I got used to the
>> touchscreen. Typing was particularly challenging. I was just hoping for a
>> better processor, because I have an iPhone 7 Plus which is pretty much
>> acting like an iPod touch now. Had they put a better processor in it, I
>> probably would have gone for one. But with the iPhone 7 Plus, I don’t see
>> the point.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 5:32 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The iPod Touch is geared for people who either do not want a cell phone;
>>> or want a device to use for non-phone functions like music, books, games,
>>> etc.
>>> My first accessible Apple device was the iPod touch 3rd generation because
>>> I did not want an iPhone in those days.
>>> That was 10 years ago this November.
>>> It took several years before I decided I wanted an iPhone.
>>> Part of the reason back then was I didn't want to spend money on a cell
>>> phone plan.
>>> I've had lots of clients over the years that went with either an iPod
>>> Touch or iPad because they did not want or couldn't afford, the cell phone
>>> plan.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
>>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
>>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas
>>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>> 
>>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
>>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2019, at 3:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps they are doing it for the people who would like to have benefits
>>>> of using iOS at significantly lower prices.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I rarely listen to music on my iPhone. Sometimes when I'm out or
>>>> travelling. It never crossed my mind to use iPhone as a music player in
>>>> my house because I hate when calls or notifications interrupt the
>>>> playback so the iPod is better solution for that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> S poštovanjem
>>>> 
>>>> Gordan Radić
>>>> 
>>>> 30.5.2019. u 10:17, Fanus Buys je napisao/la:
>>>>> Hello Mary, Sieghard and list
>>>>> Just my few cents. I bought the last iPod touch 6th Gen which was
>>>>> available in SA two years ago. Maybe I am ignorant but I can not find
>>>>> anything that the Touch can do which my iPhone 7 can't do and even the
>>>>> battery life is not so good. Had I known this I would just have obtained
>>>>> an iPhone with more memory, exactly what I am going to do at the end of
>>>>> the year when my iPhone contract expires. So the short and the long is
>>>>> that I can't understand why Apple produces new iPods when an iPhone can
>>>>> do the same and much more or are there features of the iPod which I
>>>>> miss?
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Fanus
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:15
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I would not have minded a $50 price increase for a better chip
>>>>> which would mean more updates. Also, they should’ve made the entry level
>>>>> 64. They’re just being cheap. My guess is that in two years, that thing
>>>>> is not going to be seeing updates any more. Then what?
>>>>> 
>>&g

Re: New iPod touch announced

[lenron brown]

There is no point when the thing cost just as much as a used IPhone
for the 32 gb model

On 5/30/19, Mary Otten  wrote:
> My experience is just like yours, richard. My first device was also an iPod
> touch third-generation, and I loved it. That is after I got used to the
> touchscreen. Typing was particularly challenging. I was just hoping for a
> better processor, because I have an iPhone 7 Plus which is pretty much
> acting like an iPod touch now. Had they put a better processor in it, I
> probably would have gone for one. But with the iPhone 7 Plus, I don’t see
> the point.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 30, 2019, at 5:32 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The iPod Touch is geared for people who either do not want a cell phone;
>> or want a device to use for non-phone functions like music, books, games,
>> etc.
>> My first accessible Apple device was the iPod touch 3rd generation because
>> I did not want an iPhone in those days.
>> That was 10 years ago this November.
>> It took several years before I decided I wanted an iPhone.
>> Part of the reason back then was I didn't want to spend money on a cell
>> phone plan.
>> I've had lots of clients over the years that went with either an iPod
>> Touch or iPad because they did not want or couldn't afford, the cell phone
>> plan.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
>> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2019, at 3:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Perhaps they are doing it for the people who would like to have benefits
>>> of using iOS at significantly lower prices.
>>>
>>> Also, I rarely listen to music on my iPhone. Sometimes when I'm out or
>>> travelling. It never crossed my mind to use iPhone as a music player in
>>> my house because I hate when calls or notifications interrupt the
>>> playback so the iPod is better solution for that.
>>>
>>>
>>> S poštovanjem
>>>
>>> Gordan Radić
>>>
>>> 30.5.2019. u 10:17, Fanus Buys je napisao/la:
>>>> Hello Mary, Sieghard and list
>>>> Just my few cents. I bought the last iPod touch 6th Gen which was
>>>> available in SA two years ago. Maybe I am ignorant but I can not find
>>>> anything that the Touch can do which my iPhone 7 can't do and even the
>>>> battery life is not so good. Had I known this I would just have obtained
>>>> an iPhone with more memory, exactly what I am going to do at the end of
>>>> the year when my iPhone contract expires. So the short and the long is
>>>> that I can't understand why Apple produces new iPods when an iPhone can
>>>> do the same and much more or are there features of the iPod which I
>>>> miss?
>>>> Regards
>>>> Fanus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:15
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced
>>>>
>>>>  Well, I would not have minded a $50 price increase for a better chip
>>>> which would mean more updates. Also, they should’ve made the entry level
>>>> 64. They’re just being cheap. My guess is that in two years, that thing
>>>> is not going to be seeing updates any more. Then what?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be
>>>>> a huge difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which
>>>>> is even a step down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means
>>>>> it was far from supporting 64 Bit.
>>>>> I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into
>>>>> the iPod Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple
>>>>> did and it would cost $50 

Re: New iPod touch announced

[Mary Otten]

My experience is just like yours, richard. My first device was also an iPod 
touch third-generation, and I loved it. That is after I got used to the 
touchscreen. Typing was particularly challenging. I was just hoping for a 
better processor, because I have an iPhone 7 Plus which is pretty much acting 
like an iPod touch now. Had they put a better processor in it, I probably would 
have gone for one. But with the iPhone 7 Plus, I don’t see the point.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2019, at 5:32 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The iPod Touch is geared for people who either do not want a cell phone; or 
> want a device to use for non-phone functions like music, books, games, etc.
> My first accessible Apple device was the iPod touch 3rd generation because I 
> did not want an iPhone in those days.
> That was 10 years ago this November.
> It took several years before I decided I wanted an iPhone.
> Part of the reason back then was I didn't want to spend money on a cell phone 
> plan.
> I've had lots of clients over the years that went with either an iPod Touch 
> or iPad because they did not want or couldn't afford, the cell phone plan.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2019, at 3:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Perhaps they are doing it for the people who would like to have benefits of 
>> using iOS at significantly lower prices.
>> 
>> Also, I rarely listen to music on my iPhone. Sometimes when I'm out or 
>> travelling. It never crossed my mind to use iPhone as a music player in my 
>> house because I hate when calls or notifications interrupt the playback so 
>> the iPod is better solution for that.
>> 
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> 
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>> 30.5.2019. u 10:17, Fanus Buys je napisao/la:
>>> Hello Mary, Sieghard and list
>>> Just my few cents. I bought the last iPod touch 6th Gen which was available 
>>> in SA two years ago. Maybe I am ignorant but I can not find anything that 
>>> the Touch can do which my iPhone 7 can't do and even the battery life is 
>>> not so good. Had I known this I would just have obtained an iPhone with 
>>> more memory, exactly what I am going to do at the end of the year when my 
>>> iPhone contract expires. So the short and the long is that I can't 
>>> understand why Apple produces new iPods when an iPhone can do the same and 
>>> much more or are there features of the iPod which I miss?
>>> Regards
>>> Fanus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:15
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced
>>> 
>>>  Well, I would not have minded a $50 price increase for a better chip which 
>>> would mean more updates. Also, they should’ve made the entry level 64. 
>>> They’re just being cheap. My guess is that in two years, that thing is not 
>>> going to be seeing updates any more. Then what?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be a 
>>>> huge difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which is 
>>>> even a step down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means  it 
>>>> was far from supporting 64 Bit.
>>>> I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into the 
>>>> iPod Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple did and 
>>>> it would cost $50 or $80 more, also, I have a feeling that for what most 
>>>> people use an iPod Touch for simply does not require such a powerful 
>>>> processor.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Kathy Brandt
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:05 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: New iPod touch 

Re: New iPod touch announced

[Russ Kiehne]

I saw the following in top tech tidbits
New iPod Touch Released
The 7th generation Touch has a newer processor and more memory, and will be 
able to receive iOS updates for some time:
http://bit.ly/2IcssuS 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced


For comparison, the iPod touch 6th generation has the A8 chip, the new touch 
has the A10 chip. The iPhone SE has the A9 chip; so the new Touch can do all 
the Augmented Reality visual stuff, etc.  
It would appear to still have a home button, 3.5 MM earphone Jack, etc.
Just out of curiosity, I checked for refurbished iPod Touch 6th generation 
touches and a 128 GB model is $215 while a new Touch with the same memory is 
$299.
I guess it depends on what one will be doing with it whether it would be worth 
it.

Richard



Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker




On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:


  Sieghard or anyone else: Can someone give me a quick run-down of what makes 
the new ipod touch different from the ipod touch 6? Sieghard, I agree with you. 
I wouldn't expect apple to put their best chip in an ipod touch. Like you said, 
people are going to complain either way.

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:22 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: New iPod touch announced

  Going from an iPod Touch 5th Gen to this newly announced model would be a 
huge difference, the 5th generation iPod touch has an A5 chip which is even a 
step down from the iPhone 5 which had an A6 chip which means  it was far from 
supporting 64 Bit.
  I know people complain why Apple didn't put their latest A12 chip into the 
iPod Touch, but the same people would probably complain if Apple did and it 
would cost $50 or $80 more, also, I have a feeling that for what most people 
use an iPod Touch for simply does not require such a powerful processor.


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
  Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:05 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced

  You will notice a definite difference from the five. Enjoy! I have a 6th gen, 
which has a speed difference from my fifth.


On May 29, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:



I'm thinking about getting one.  I have the 5th generation ipod touch.



-Original Message- From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone

Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:54 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: New iPod touch announced



You could possibly use it for beta testing if you're into that. Or a 
streaming device. Yeah I don't know why they did the A7 instead of the A11 or 
A12.

They should at least have put in the A11 chip.



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  On May 28, 2019, at 9:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:



  I thought I would pose this question, since Apple just announced the 
update of the iPod touch today. It will have the a10 processor, the same one 
that is in an iPhone 7 or 7+. That makes it two years old going on three, just 
like my iPhone 7 Plus. No other significant changes that I am aware of, except 
the space. The cheapest one has 32 GB for $200, 128 for 300, and 256 for 400. 
Earlier this year, they released the iPad mini five, with the A 12 chip. That 
is the current chip. I can’t remember the prices for iPad mini, but my gut 
reaction when I saw this, it was that Apple was cheeping out. They should have 
given us at least the A 11 if not the 12th. I am really disappointed. I was 
looking forward to perhaps purchasing an iPod touch, but now that I see that it 
has the same processor as my iPhone 7 Plus, forget it.





  Sent from my iPhone



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