Re: How to get BrailleTouch purchased upgrade on your second iOS device without being charged again

2013-02-02 Thread Grant Hardy
Yes. It will feel like you are going to buy the item again, but you
actually aren't. After confirming your purchase (provided you are
using the same Apple ID) you will be told that you have already bought
the item. This works for most one-time n app purchases.

On 2/1/13, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
 That is not working.
 It just wants me to confirm the purchase.

 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

 On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:59 PM, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com
 wrote:

 Several people have purchased the BrailleTouch upgrade and asked me how to
 get it on their second iOS device without being charged again. This can be
 done, and you only have to pay once.

 The solution is not ideal, but we are going to fix this in the first
 update to BrailleTouch. We will add a button to Restore Purchased
 Version.

 In the meantime, this is what you can do. iTunes remembers everything you
 have purchased with your Apple ID. Let's assume you have both an iPhone
 and an iPod touch. You have already purchased the full upgrade for
 BrailleTouch on your iPhone and now you want to also use it on your iPod
 touch. If both devices are on the same Apple ID, you will not be charged a
 second time.

 On the iPod touch (second device), download the free version of
 BrailleTouch and select Upgrade from the menu. Go through the motions like
 you were going to purchase the upgrade. Make sure this device has the same
 Apple ID you previously used to purchase BrailleTouch. This is very
 important. After you click on Buy, iTunes will inform you that you have
 already purchased the Upgrade, and ask you if you want to download it
 again for free. Click OK and you will be good to go. You will not be
 charged a second time for the BrailleTouch upgrade.

 Again, I am sorry this is not a good process at this time. Unfortunately
 it looks like you will be charged again until the very last step, but you
 will not be charged as long as you use the same Apple ID on your second
 iOS device. We will fix this in the first update to BrailleTouch, and add
 a button to Restore Purchased Version.

 I hope this helps.
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/

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still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Rebecca Ilniski
Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a few 
questions.
1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the hone 
button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully but 
once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the alignment of 
the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get this thougb as 
I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist me with a good 
description or even using skype or face time so that maybe visually you can 
tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.  

Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
sent from my IPhone

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Re: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth

2013-02-02 Thread Negoslav Sabev
Is this a stereo headset?

Negoslav
  - Original Message - 
  From: Traci 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:43 AM
  Subject: 1st impressions Plantronics m50 bluetooth


  Hi all,


  I received my new bluetooth earpiece today.  My first impressions are, it is 
going to workout great.  Just what I wanted.


  It was under $30, 11 hours talk time, voice prompts, and has that a2dp thing 
for vo to come through the earpiece.  Voiceover came through immediately, and 
pairing was easier than getting the device out of the package.  Lol!


  Two extra notes on the m50, it will pair with 2 devices, great for someone 
with a business phone and personal phone.  You can also see the battery status 
of the device in the iPhone status bar.  I can always post an update after the 
weekend, if y'all are interested.


  BTW, I just noticed on Amazon today a Samsung bluetooth earpiece for under 
$25 with very similar features.  *Shrugs,* I think I'll be happy with this one.


  Traci

  Come climb with me (in spirit) and please support The Leukemia  Lymphoma 
Society with a donation. Our efforts  will help make a big difference in the 
fight against blood cancers. Learn more  donate here. Thank you.
  http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735pg=personalfr_id=1250



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Low voice qutlity after updating to IOS 6.1

2013-02-02 Thread zkrisher
Hello,

I've updated my iPad 3 to IOS 6.1, and despite the fact that I've left it 
plugged in and connected to the net for a couple of nights, it hasn't 
downloaded the HQ voice.

My iPod Touch 5g had the HQ voice right from the start after the update 
completed.

I also don't remember the low quality voice being this bad, but that may be 
due to the fallibility of human memory.

I'm using the Australian voice and have my region format set to Australia.

 Can anyone suggest a method of causing my iPad into reinstalling the HQ 
voice?

I've tried switching to a different region, and then switching back. but it 
didn't help.

Thanks,

   Zivan

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Re: Repeating tap tap see results

2013-02-02 Thread Hayri Tulumcu
i have a iPhone 3GS and the newest iOS 6.1
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dmitriy Konopatskiy 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


  What model iPhone or iPad are you using? Also, have you updated to the latest 
version of the iOS?


  -Dmitriy


  On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Hayri Tulumcu ha...@ka-net.dk wrote:

the tap tap see crashes for me
- Original Message - From: Paul Ferrara 
paul.ferr...@insightbb.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results



  It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it 
a try.

  Paul

  -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

  What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
  far as visually impaired people are concerned?

  I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
  like to know why it's getting popular!

  Carol P

  On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:

Eileen and Paul,

The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as 
an automatic flash.

Here's a link to it: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8

Hope that helps,
Dmitriy

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com 
wrote:

Hello,

No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.

Thanks.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
Subject: Repeating tap tap see results



Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
Is seems
that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
repeat? All
suggestions are welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

Eileen

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tap tap see

2013-02-02 Thread Hayri Tulumcu
how can the people reply so fast? and how menny people is there

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Re: access note, is it worth it?

2013-02-02 Thread Kimber Gardner
I don't know of another notes app that has a similar search function.
Yes, it's a lot of money for an app but I think it's worth it.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Rose Waagan r...@chicksdigmacs.net wrote:
 So I've read this thread from start to finish. And while I've seen
 mention of alternatives to Access Note, no one has mentioned whether
 these alternatives have searching where Voiceover follows your cursor
 or proper cursor tracking. Thse things are really important to me when
 reviewing notes or studying for class. I rely on the search function
 heavily. I don't want to pay $20 for this app, But I'm honestly about
 to. Also, has anyone tested this app with larger documents? When I say
 larger documents, I'm speaking of documents which are longer than just
 a few pages. Perhaps 30 or more.

 On 2/1/13, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Anna, since I have a bt keyboard, and a Braillenote I think it probably
 is
 too, I just wanted a second opinion.
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 02 February 2013 00:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 Hi,

 I think it's worth the US$20 I paid. I wrote a detailed explanation of my
 reasoning on this list a couple of days ago, and I also put that review
 in
 the app store, so I imagine it's available there by now.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 Anna, in your view, is it worth the £13.99, approx. $20 it costs in the
 UK?
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 01 February 2013 23:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 Hi,

 AccessNote is designed to work with VoiceOver, so yes, it's fully
 compatible
 with it.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:

 Is it fully, mostly, or partially VO compatible?

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: access note, is it worth it?

 For those who may be interested in another cheeper alternative:

 Featured three times on Lifehacker.com as one of the best tools for
 getting
 things done!

 Nebulous Notes is a powerful, yet simple, text editor for note-takers,
 writers, and coders. Your notes are backed up and available from
 Dropbox,
 the best back-up service in the world. Free accounts on Dropbox come
 with
 2GB of space, enough to store 500 copies of Leo Tolstoy's War and
 Peace.

 Features
 .Open and edit all plain-text files (.txt, .md, .c, etc.)
 .Preview files in HTML, MarkDown
 .Supports saving and opening in all file encodings (useful for
 international
 users)
 .VoiceOver hints
 .Print documents using AirPrint
 .Supports TextExpander touch snippet expansion

 Features Lacking in Competing Apps
 .Save in Evernote
 .Open files from ANY Dropbox folder
 .Customizable themes
 .Macro system lets you add frequently used keys to a toolbar (like { }
 [
 ]
 =
 %, etc.).
 .Macro system also has basic text-substitutions for convenient HTML
 tags

 .Protect the app with a PIN
 .Search Dropbox or Search for text with a document
 .Full-screen support for Writeroom-style editing
 .Insert Tab key (multi-line tabbing and un-tabbing supported)
 .One-click access to Scratch Pad
 .One-click access to MarkDown preview
 .Turn off word-wrapping








 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Scott Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:36 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 I know one called nebulous notes which is only about five dollars

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Joshua Klander joshklan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello.  I have not tried AccessNote, and don't plan on doing so.  In
 my
 opinion, a notetaking app is not worth $20.  There is a built-in Notes
 app
 in iOs, and if you want more features, I'm pretty sure that there are
 plenty
 of $0.99 alternatives on the App store.  This is just my opinion
 though.
 Josh
 - Original Message -
 From: Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:25:24 -0500
 Subject: access  note, is it worth it?

 Hi,
 I'm a totally blind iphone user.  I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
 iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display.  So what I was wondering, is
 access
 note worth the $20?
 Courtney

 Sent from my iPad Mini

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Access Note -- How to delete a note

2013-02-02 Thread Kimber Gardner
I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks,
Kimber

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Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH

2013-02-02 Thread Joe Paton

Hi,

The dots are bout half an inch in from either end, so just above the 
home bun at the right, and similar from the left edge.  There is no 
space between the left-hand three dots in the cell and the right.  so 
travelling from dot 1, across the screen towards your other hand, you 
run straight in to dot 4, depending on your flip setting.


cappital letter, or all caps, is a toggle between both settings.
Well that's how it appears to me, i'm sure others may know better.

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Loving BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Jessica Carter
 
 
This is a test. Pretty slick, huh? This is crazy cool. Typed this message using 
 BrailleTouch. Thank you, all for making this app. :)
Nice work, all, excellent app.

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Re: How to get BrailleTouch purchased upgrade on your second iOS device without being charged again

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
OK, it finally worked. However, it was a longer process than what I've 
experienced when upgrading other apps.
All is well now.

Later,

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)


On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes. It will feel like you are going to buy the item again, but you
 actually aren't. After confirming your purchase (provided you are
 using the same Apple ID) you will be told that you have already bought
 the item. This works for most one-time n app purchases.
 
 On 2/1/13, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
 That is not working.
 It just wants me to confirm the purchase.
 
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:59 PM, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com
 wrote:
 
 Several people have purchased the BrailleTouch upgrade and asked me how to
 get it on their second iOS device without being charged again. This can be
 done, and you only have to pay once.
 
 The solution is not ideal, but we are going to fix this in the first
 update to BrailleTouch. We will add a button to Restore Purchased
 Version.
 
 In the meantime, this is what you can do. iTunes remembers everything you
 have purchased with your Apple ID. Let's assume you have both an iPhone
 and an iPod touch. You have already purchased the full upgrade for
 BrailleTouch on your iPhone and now you want to also use it on your iPod
 touch. If both devices are on the same Apple ID, you will not be charged a
 second time.
 
 On the iPod touch (second device), download the free version of
 BrailleTouch and select Upgrade from the menu. Go through the motions like
 you were going to purchase the upgrade. Make sure this device has the same
 Apple ID you previously used to purchase BrailleTouch. This is very
 important. After you click on Buy, iTunes will inform you that you have
 already purchased the Upgrade, and ask you if you want to download it
 again for free. Click OK and you will be good to go. You will not be
 charged a second time for the BrailleTouch upgrade.
 
 Again, I am sorry this is not a good process at this time. Unfortunately
 it looks like you will be charged again until the very last step, but you
 will not be charged as long as you use the same Apple ID on your second
 iOS device. We will fix this in the first update to BrailleTouch, and add
 a button to Restore Purchased Version.
 
 I hope this helps.
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
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Re: Grocery list

2013-02-02 Thread Bill Holton
Hi.
Try an app called grocery pal. It won't scan barcodes, but you can leave 
favorites and at them to the list quickly, also it will have the on sale items 
for your local grocery stores that you can add to your list with a few taps. 
You can also sync your list among any devices and your PC or Mac.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Peter Logan pdlloga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I have looked through applevis for some recommendations on grocery list 
 apps...and now I seem to know less.  I'm looking for an app that I can create 
 a shopping list in, either directly on the phone, via my PC on the web and 
 then syncing it to the phone, or ideally by scanning the bar code when it's 
 time to add the item to the list...
 
 Does anyone know of an app that does this all ... or at least gets close.  
 The scanning would be the lease necessary item here ...
 
 
 Thanks in advance ...
 
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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
with the home button on your left, put your thumbs on the side that is now the 
top, and your little fingers on the side which is now the bottom. The bottom is 
the side with volume controls.
now think of your left index finger as dot 1, your left middle as dot 2, and 
your left ring finger as dot 3.
So your right index finger is dot 4, right middle dot 5, and right ring finger 
is dot 6.
HTH.


Typed with BrailleTouch
Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Rebecca Ilniski rilni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a 
 few questions.
 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the 
 hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully 
 but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the 
 alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get 
 this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist me 
 with a good description or even using skype or face time so that maybe 
 visually you can tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.  
 
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Re: Repeating tap tap see results

2013-02-02 Thread Debbie G
I like the fact that it identifies colors of some of my clothing.  That's way 
cool!!!

Debbie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Ferrara 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


  It will say picture 1 taken and there will be a pause while it figures out 
  what is there. It could be a short or a long pause.

  Paul

  -Original Message- 
  From: Hayri Tulumcu
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

  i pressed the take photo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


   What are you doing when it crashes?
  
   Paul
  
   -Original Message- 
   From: Hayri Tulumcu
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:45 AM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
  
   the tap tap see crashes for me
   - Original Message - 
   From: Paul Ferrara paul.ferr...@insightbb.com
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 4:24 PM
   Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
  
  
   It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it 
   a try.
  
   Paul
  
   -Original Message- 
   From: Carol Pearson
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
  
   What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
   far as visually impaired people are concerned?
  
   I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
   like to know why it's getting popular!
  
   Carol P
  
   On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
   Eileen and Paul,
  
   The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as 
   an automatic flash.
  
   Here's a link to it: 
   https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
  
   Hope that helps,
   Dmitriy
  
   On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com 
   wrote:
  
   Hello,
  
   No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
  
   Thanks.
  
   Paul
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Eileen Misrahi
   Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
   To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
   Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
  
  
  
   Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
   Is seems
   that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
   repeat? All
   suggestions are welcomed.
  
   Thanks in advance.
  
   Eileen
  
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RE: still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Patti Johnson
Okay, so are you saying the dots are across the screen, not below each
other?
Patti 


 
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

with the home button on your left, put your thumbs on the side that is now
the top, and your little fingers on the side which is now the bottom. The
bottom is the side with volume controls.
now think of your left index finger as dot 1, your left middle as dot 2, and
your left ring finger as dot 3.
So your right index finger is dot 4, right middle dot 5, and right ring
finger is dot 6.
HTH.


Typed with BrailleTouch
Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

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 Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a
few questions.
 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the
hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully
but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the
alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get
this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist
me with a good description or even using skype or face time so that maybe
visually you can tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.  
 
 Rebecca and Zeb
 email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
If you have your thumbs on the top and little fingers on the bottom, you could 
not turn your fingers horizontally.


Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:35 AM, Patti Johnson pat1...@insightbb.com wrote:

 Okay, so are you saying the dots are across the screen, not below each
 other?
 Patti 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:15 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: still haven't gotten braille touch
 
 with the home button on your left, put your thumbs on the side that is now
 the top, and your little fingers on the side which is now the bottom. The
 bottom is the side with volume controls.
 now think of your left index finger as dot 1, your left middle as dot 2, and
 your left ring finger as dot 3.
 So your right index finger is dot 4, right middle dot 5, and right ring
 finger is dot 6.
 HTH.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Rebecca Ilniski rilni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a
 few questions.
 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the
 hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully
 but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the
 alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get
 this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist
 me with a good description or even using skype or face time so that maybe
 visually you can tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.  
 
 Rebecca and Zeb
 email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Email signature

2013-02-02 Thread Robert Fenton
Hello again:

i would like to modify the email signature that Braille Touch @produces. How do 
i do this? Thank you.


Typed with BrailleTouch


Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Email signature

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Bob,
You cannot modify the text of the BrailleTouch email signature, but you 
can turn it off in the settings if you want. If you would like a 
different email signature, you can modify the text of the iPhone email 
signature that by default says Sent from my iPhone.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 9:58 AM, Robert Fenton wrote:

Hello again:

i would like to modify the email signature that Braille Touch @produces. How do 
i do this? Thank you.


Typed with BrailleTouch


Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Email signature

2013-02-02 Thread Robert Fenton
Thank you. I didn't see a setting for shutting the braille touch signature off. 
That will solve my problem since my default signature for each of my accounts 
will be used. Thank you. 

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi Bob,
 You cannot modify the text of the BrailleTouch email signature, but you can 
 turn it off in the settings if you want. If you would like a different email 
 signature, you can modify the text of the iPhone email signature that by 
 default says Sent from my iPhone.
 
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 2/2/2013 9:58 AM, Robert Fenton wrote:
 Hello again:
 
 i would like to modify the email signature that Braille Touch @produces. How 
 do i do this? Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

2013-02-02 Thread Jennie Facer
On the podcast that was done on AppleVis, they said you have to delete it 
through dropbox.

Sent from my iPhone

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 I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
 can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
 first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
 edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
 seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
 
 Thanks,
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Braille Touch without Voice over

2013-02-02 Thread Tom rash
How do you turn voice over off.  I went to settings but just see that without 
voice over as a heading with no control to turn it off.  

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Brailletouch problem: cannot type with Voice Over on

2013-02-02 Thread Ronald van Rhijn
Hi all,
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I cannot type in Brailletouch with 
voice Over turned on. I only get ticks, whatever speech feedback I have chosen 
in the settings.
When turning off voice Over I can type normally with English speech feedback. 
Although typing works, I still don't get the characters and words  speech 
feedback, only the typed characters.
With of without screen orientation locked, don't make a difference.
On other Dutch users it works fine.
What I am doing wrong here?
Here's my configuration:
iPhone 5 running IOS 6.1 in Dutch language.
Voice Over with Dutch hq voice and screen curtain turned on.
Free version of Brailletouch.

Many thanks,
Ronald

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Re: Brailletouch problem: cannot type with Voice Over on

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Ronald,

Thanks for trying BrailleTouch. Word feedback relies on VoiceOver. If 
you turn VoiceOver off, BrailleTouch will only speak the characters you 
type in English.


I'm sorry you are having trouble with speech feedback in Dutch. I'm not 
sure what the cause could be. I just tried changing the language on my 
iPhone to Dutch and BrailleTouch does speak to me in Dutch.


Perhaps you could try changing your iPhone language setting to English 
and see if the speech starting working in BrailleTouch with VoiceOver 
turned on. If it does work, you can switch back to Dutch and see if that 
wakes up VoiceOver. If changing the system language does not work, you 
could try shutting down your iPhone and rebooting it. Please let me know 
if either of these solves the problem.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/
*
*On 2/2/2013 10:29 AM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I cannot type in Brailletouch with 
voice Over turned on. I only get ticks, whatever speech feedback I have chosen 
in the settings.
When turning off voice Over I can type normally with English speech feedback. 
Although typing works, I still don't get the characters and words  speech 
feedback, only the typed characters.
With of without screen orientation locked, don't make a difference.
On other Dutch users it works fine.
What I am doing wrong here?
Here's my configuration:
iPhone 5 running IOS 6.1 in Dutch language.
Voice Over with Dutch hq voice and screen curtain turned on.
Free version of Brailletouch.

Many thanks,
Ronald



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RE: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

2013-02-02 Thread Jon Pierson
Hi,
Actually the two spaces in print has been dropped in favor of paragraph
marks.

Jon
 

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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:54 AM
To: Viphone
Subject: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

Hello everybody:

there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need
to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it
is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well?
Thank you.


Typed with BrailleTouch


Bob Fenton

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Re: Braille Touch without Voice over

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Tom,
This is an iPhone question and is not specific to BrailleTouch. The 
shortcut to turn VoiceOver on and off is triple click home. You tap the 
home button quickly three times. This will work only if in the iPhone 
Settings the Triple Click Home shortcut is set to control VoiceOver.


Otherwise, you can go to the iPhone settings app. Go to General, and 
then Accessibility.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 10:19 AM, Tom rash wrote:
How do you turn voice over off. I went to settings but just see that 
without voice over as a heading with no control to turn it off.


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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

2013-02-02 Thread Robert Fenton
We are talking about periods not paragraphs when referencing two spaces after a 
period. R

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-02, at 8:45 AM, Jon Pierson joncpier...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Actually the two spaces in print has been dropped in favor of paragraph
 marks.
 
 Jon
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Of Robert Fenton
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:54 AM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
 
 Hello everybody:
 
 there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need
 to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it
 is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well?
 Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
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Re: access note, is it worth it?

2013-02-02 Thread Jesper Holten
Hi. I importet a brf book about 400 KB and it looks as though it
imported the whole thing without too much fus.

Best regards, Jesper.

On 2/2/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know of another notes app that has a similar search function.
 Yes, it's a lot of money for an app but I think it's worth it.

 Kim

 On 2/1/13, Rose Waagan r...@chicksdigmacs.net wrote:
 So I've read this thread from start to finish. And while I've seen
 mention of alternatives to Access Note, no one has mentioned whether
 these alternatives have searching where Voiceover follows your cursor
 or proper cursor tracking. Thse things are really important to me when
 reviewing notes or studying for class. I rely on the search function
 heavily. I don't want to pay $20 for this app, But I'm honestly about
 to. Also, has anyone tested this app with larger documents? When I say
 larger documents, I'm speaking of documents which are longer than just
 a few pages. Perhaps 30 or more.

 On 2/1/13, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Anna, since I have a bt keyboard, and a Braillenote I think it probably
 is
 too, I just wanted a second opinion.
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 02 February 2013 00:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 Hi,

 I think it's worth the US$20 I paid. I wrote a detailed explanation of
 my
 reasoning on this list a couple of days ago, and I also put that review
 in
 the app store, so I imagine it's available there by now.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 Anna, in your view, is it worth the £13.99, approx. $20 it costs in the
 UK?
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 01 February 2013 23:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 Hi,

 AccessNote is designed to work with VoiceOver, so yes, it's fully
 compatible
 with it.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:

 Is it fully, mostly, or partially VO compatible?

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: access note, is it worth it?

 For those who may be interested in another cheeper alternative:

 Featured three times on Lifehacker.com as one of the best tools for
 getting
 things done!

 Nebulous Notes is a powerful, yet simple, text editor for note-takers,
 writers, and coders. Your notes are backed up and available from
 Dropbox,
 the best back-up service in the world. Free accounts on Dropbox come
 with
 2GB of space, enough to store 500 copies of Leo Tolstoy's War and
 Peace.

 Features
 .Open and edit all plain-text files (.txt, .md, .c, etc.)
 .Preview files in HTML, MarkDown
 .Supports saving and opening in all file encodings (useful for
 international
 users)
 .VoiceOver hints
 .Print documents using AirPrint
 .Supports TextExpander touch snippet expansion

 Features Lacking in Competing Apps
 .Save in Evernote
 .Open files from ANY Dropbox folder
 .Customizable themes
 .Macro system lets you add frequently used keys to a toolbar (like { }
 [
 ]
 =
 %, etc.).
 .Macro system also has basic text-substitutions for convenient HTML
 tags

 .Protect the app with a PIN
 .Search Dropbox or Search for text with a document
 .Full-screen support for Writeroom-style editing
 .Insert Tab key (multi-line tabbing and un-tabbing supported)
 .One-click access to Scratch Pad
 .One-click access to MarkDown preview
 .Turn off word-wrapping








 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Scott Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:36 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 I know one called nebulous notes which is only about five dollars

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Joshua Klander joshklan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello.  I have not tried AccessNote, and don't plan on doing so.  In
 my
 opinion, a notetaking app is not worth $20.  There is a built-in Notes
 app
 in iOs, and if you want more features, I'm pretty sure that there are
 plenty
 of $0.99 alternatives on the App store.  This is just my opinion
 though.
 Josh
 - Original Message -
 From: Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:25:24 -0500
 Subject: access  note, is it worth it?

 Hi,
 I'm a totally blind iphone user.  I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
 iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display.  So what I was wondering, is
 access
 note worth the $20?
 Courtney

 Sent from my iPad Mini

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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

2013-02-02 Thread Kimberly
Thanks for the info. That seems like a huge drawback to me. Deleting is such a 
basic function that its amazing it can't be done from within the app itself.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Jennie Facer pup...@me.com wrote:

 On the podcast that was done on AppleVis, they said you have to delete it 
 through dropbox.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:44 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
 can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
 first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
 edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
 seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
 
 Thanks,
 Kimber
 
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RE: Access Note -- How to delete a note

2013-02-02 Thread Jon Pierson
Hi,
According to the help a double tap and hold followed by a swipe right to
bring up the delete button will do the trick.

Jon

 

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Of Kimberly
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

Thanks for the info. That seems like a huge drawback to me. Deleting is such
a basic function that its amazing it can't be done from within the app
itself.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Jennie Facer pup...@me.com wrote:

 On the podcast that was done on AppleVis, they said you have to delete it
through dropbox.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:44 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I 
 can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I 
 first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's 
 no edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures 
 don't seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?
 
 Thanks,
 Kimber
 
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Re: Brailletouch problem: cannot type with Voice Over on

2013-02-02 Thread Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Caleb,
Many thanks for your speedy reply! I did all you wrote, changing language to 
English and back, rebooting etc, but didn't make a difference.
I did however solved the problem. I somehow turned off the Direct Touch (or 
what's it coalled in EnglisH) option in the rotor. When turning the rotor to 
Direct Touch you can flick to select on or off, I probably did this by 
accident. 
All works fine now. I finally can try out your promising app.
Thanks again and keep up the good work.
regards,
Ronald
  

Op 2 feb. 2013, om 16:43 heeft BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com het 
volgende geschreven:

 Hi Ronald,
 
 Thanks for trying BrailleTouch. Word feedback relies on VoiceOver. If you 
 turn VoiceOver off, BrailleTouch will only speak the characters you type in 
 English.
 
 I'm sorry you are having trouble with speech feedback in Dutch. I'm not sure 
 what the cause could be. I just tried changing the language on my iPhone to 
 Dutch and BrailleTouch does speak to me in Dutch.
 
 Perhaps you could try changing your iPhone language setting to English and 
 see if the speech starting working in BrailleTouch with VoiceOver turned on. 
 If it does work, you can switch back to   Dutch and see if that wakes up 
 VoiceOver. If changing the system language does not work, you could try 
 shutting down your iPhone and rebooting it. Please let me know if either of 
 these solves the problem.
 
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 2/2/2013 10:29 AM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
 Hi all,
 Sorry if this has been asked before, but I cannot type in Brailletouch with 
 voice Over turned on. I only get ticks, whatever speech feedback I have 
 chosen in the settings.
 When turning off voice Over I can type normally with English speech 
 feedback. Although typing works, I still don't get the characters and words  
 speech feedback, only the typed characters.
 With of without screen orientation locked, don't make a difference.
 On other Dutch users it works fine.
 What I am doing wrong here?
 Here's my configuration:
 iPhone 5 running IOS 6.1 in Dutch language.
 Voice Over with Dutch hq voice and screen curtain turned on.
 Free version of Brailletouch.
 
 Many thanks,
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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

2013-02-02 Thread Emma Taylor
My only problem that I'm having is trying to hold the phone and type with 
BrailleTouch at the same time it is a work around to this with my hands that 
would be great

Sent from my iPhone

On 02/02/2013, at 2:10 PM, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com wrote:

 Hi Rob and everyone,
 I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
 BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. 
 Please let me know if this is helpful.
 
 When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four 
 corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the 
 Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. 
 Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of 
 the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an apostrophe with your 
 left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone 
 until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the 
 apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand.
 
 Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index 
 finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 
 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back 
 and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand.
 
 I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch 
 or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please 
 let me know.
 
 Thanks,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
 I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
 accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
 like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we
 might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
 Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
 
 Thanks, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
 
 
 Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little finger
 but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and
 my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.  What I
 need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my
 Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the
 screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home button
 on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further
 into the screen?
 Reggie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jennie Facer
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
 
 Hi,
 
 First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if
 you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera.  now, put
 your palms on each end of the phone.  now rest your fingers vertically on
 the screen.  dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your
 right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of
 the screen.
 
 Write me off list if I can be of more helpp.
 
 Jenn
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Moving music from IPhone to the PC

2013-02-02 Thread Maxx Well
You can grab the music from iPhone to computer with some third party tools, 
such as iTransfer: 
http://www.leawo.com/imediago/

在 2013年2月1日星期五UTC+8下午11时00分16秒,John Diakogeorgiou写道:

 Hi:
 I lost all the information on my Windows system and need to be able to get 
 all the music and such from my IPhone 5. Does any one know how to do this. 
 None of the files were purchased from Itunes so can't just redownload it 
 from there. Thanks!


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Re: access note, is it worth it?

2013-02-02 Thread Keith Bundy
I have not tested the app with larger files, but I can say I do not regret 
purchasing it. The only issue I have with it is that I wish there was a choice 
to save files in other folders. Maybe this exists, and I just don't know about 
it. Again, I think the app is very good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Rose Waagan r...@chicksdigmacs.net wrote:

 So I've read this thread from start to finish. And while I've seen
 mention of alternatives to Access Note, no one has mentioned whether
 these alternatives have searching where Voiceover follows your cursor
 or proper cursor tracking. Thse things are really important to me when
 reviewing notes or studying for class. I rely on the search function
 heavily. I don't want to pay $20 for this app, But I'm honestly about
 to. Also, has anyone tested this app with larger documents? When I say
 larger documents, I'm speaking of documents which are longer than just
 a few pages. Perhaps 30 or more.
 
 On 2/1/13, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Anna, since I have a bt keyboard, and a Braillenote I think it probably is
 too, I just wanted a second opinion.
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 02 February 2013 00:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 
 I think it's worth the US$20 I paid. I wrote a detailed explanation of my
 reasoning on this list a couple of days ago, and I also put that review in
 the app store, so I imagine it's available there by now.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Anna, in your view, is it worth the £13.99, approx. $20 it costs in the
 UK?
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 01 February 2013 23:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 
 AccessNote is designed to work with VoiceOver, so yes, it's fully
 compatible
 with it.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 
 Is it fully, mostly, or partially VO compatible?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: access note, is it worth it?
 
 For those who may be interested in another cheeper alternative:
 
 Featured three times on Lifehacker.com as one of the best tools for
 getting
 things done!
 
 Nebulous Notes is a powerful, yet simple, text editor for note-takers,
 writers, and coders. Your notes are backed up and available from
 Dropbox,
 the best back-up service in the world. Free accounts on Dropbox come
 with
 2GB of space, enough to store 500 copies of Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace.
 
 Features
 .Open and edit all plain-text files (.txt, .md, .c, etc.)
 .Preview files in HTML, MarkDown
 .Supports saving and opening in all file encodings (useful for
 international
 users)
 .VoiceOver hints
 .Print documents using AirPrint
 .Supports TextExpander touch snippet expansion
 
 Features Lacking in Competing Apps
 .Save in Evernote
 .Open files from ANY Dropbox folder
 .Customizable themes
 .Macro system lets you add frequently used keys to a toolbar (like { } [
 ]
 =
 %, etc.).
 .Macro system also has basic text-substitutions for convenient HTML tags
 
 .Protect the app with a PIN
 .Search Dropbox or Search for text with a document
 .Full-screen support for Writeroom-style editing
 .Insert Tab key (multi-line tabbing and un-tabbing supported)
 .One-click access to Scratch Pad
 .One-click access to MarkDown preview
 .Turn off word-wrapping
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Scott Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:36 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 I know one called nebulous notes which is only about five dollars
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Joshua Klander joshklan...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hello.  I have not tried AccessNote, and don't plan on doing so.  In my
 opinion, a notetaking app is not worth $20.  There is a built-in Notes
 app
 in iOs, and if you want more features, I'm pretty sure that there are
 plenty
 of $0.99 alternatives on the App store.  This is just my opinion though.
 Josh
 - Original Message -
 From: Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:25:24 -0500
 Subject: access  note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 I'm a totally blind iphone user.  I use a bluetooth keyboard with my
 iPhone,  I don't use a Braille display.  So what I was wondering, is
 access
 note worth the $20?
 Courtney
 
 Sent from my iPad Mini
 
 

Re: tap tap see

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
Yes, me too.  Took a picture of me, my dog, my coffee maker, the keys on my 
Hammond organ.  Thought that should stop-um. Didn't it came back and said organ 
keys.  Then I tried a box of shake-an-bake.  They got that right too so maybe 
they were to busy with my fooling around and forgot you pestered them or maybe 
the other way around! LOL!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Debbie G 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:04 AM
  Subject: Re: tap tap see


  Well, if those are humans who had identified the things that I had taken 
pictures of, I'm sure they were pretty tired of me.  I was having a lot of fun 
with it!

  Debbie
- Original Message - 
From: Hayri Tulumcu 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:13 AM
Subject: tap tap see


how can the people reply so fast? and how menny people is there

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards that Work with Apple TV

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
I'll take a WAG here and say the Apple keyboard?  Not trying to be a wise guy 
just pointing out the obvious.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Les Kriegler 
  To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:00 PM
  Subject: Bluetooth Keyboards that Work with Apple TV


  Subject line says it all.  Any recommendations on wireless keyboards that 
will work with Apple TV?  I have the latest generation; my Apple Keyboard was 
designed for the iPad, so that won't work, thus the need for a keyboard.  
Thanks.

  Les

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Re: How do I Make Corrections after Filling In a Field?

2013-02-02 Thread RobH!
This is one time a BT keyboard helps as  the edit/'navigation keys work 
within the field as well as the characters are input.  I used to get in an L 
of a tangle on a page if I'd started typing, then had to go look for the 
field...   lost it as often as not as focus went all over the place 
following me looking for it. Even a little BT keyboard would be a good 
investment.

Rh, wondering if we could do this better with BrailleTouch.
- Original Message - 
From: Dani L Pagador axs@gmail.com
To: 'iPhone for visually impaired' viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:50 AM
Subject: How do I Make Corrections after Filling In a Field?


Hi, Everyone.

I'm awful at typing and editing on my iTouch, but need to be able to do it
in case I don't have my braille display handy. Is it possible to correct my
mistakes as I go, or do I have to wait till I'm done and then get back in to
the field to do it?

How do I go about correcting my many misspellings? I know that I can read
character by character, but am not sure how to use the onscreen keyboard to
fix my crappy typing. How do I know where the insertion point is? How do I
get to the onscreen keyboard to do the editing?

Is there a podcast somewhere that just goes over basic typing and editing?
This newbie needs a whole lot o' help.

TIA,

Dani













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Kid's games

2013-02-02 Thread Lauren Simmons
Hi all,

This is a question for those of you with young children. I'm hoping
some of you will please convey the title of any accessible games boys
from 4 to 6 years of age can play on an iPod Touch. I'm looking for
such things as tic tac toe to play with them, but if you know of other
easy to learn IOS games I'm of course open to that too. (Smile). Is
there other forms of entertainment on an iPod Touch I've not
considered?

LS

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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is, if I 
hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of 
the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How about using 
the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a 
letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen 
and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.  Perhaps it could be 
called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
  - Original Message - 
  From: BrailleTouch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement


  Hi Rob and everyone,
  I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with 
  BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain 
  characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

  When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the 
  four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the 
  dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left 
  index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you 
  find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an 
  apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward 
  that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and 
  forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably 
  and reliably located your left hand.

  Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right 
  index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring 
  finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and 
  the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for 
  your right hand.

  I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to 
  BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters 
  to work. Please let me know.

  Thanks,
  Caleb
  http://brailletouchapp.com/

  On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
   I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
   accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area. I'd
   like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we
   might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray us.
   Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
  
   Thanks, RobH.
   - Original Message -
   From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
   Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
  
  
   Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little finger
   but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and
   my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.  What I
   need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my
   Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the
   screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home button
   on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further
   into the screen?
   Reggie
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
   Of Jennie Facer
   Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
  
   Hi,
  
   First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if
   you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera.  now, put
   your palms on each end of the phone.  now rest your fingers vertically on
   the screen.  dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your
   right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of
   the screen.
  
   Write me off list if I can be of more helpp.
  
   Jenn
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
  

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need an app to take notes

2013-02-02 Thread anouk radix

Hi everyone,
I have read about accessnotes but find it a bit expensive for what i need.
Basically I need an app to take notes, organize them and listen back to 
them. I need to be able to easily pause recordings and playback sessions 
because i want to read stuff into the memo, like routes that i need to 
walk and i want to listen back to small pieces when i walk the route. 
Furthermore i want to easily be able to find the note i need so 
labelling would be nice.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

2013-02-02 Thread RobH!
Double tap and hold, then flick right, it should ask you to confirm delete.

The good old edit feature in other apps is so useful!
- Original Message - 
From: Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:44 AM
Subject: Access Note -- How to delete a note


I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks,
Kimber

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RE: Safari and captias

2013-02-02 Thread Morné van der Merwe
Hello Sieghard,

 

Yes, I use WebVisum myself. I was just hesitant to mentioned the name on
this list.

 

Thanks for the advice,

 

Take care

Morné

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Safari and captias

 

Hi Morné,

 

The plug-in you refer to is called Webvisum and it is for the Firefox
browser. It does usually work very well, but unfortunately Safari has no
such capability so unless the website itself offers an audio alternative you
are out of luck.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Safari and captias

 

Hello list,

 

Some websites requires a verification code when you’ve entered information.
Sometimes these verification codes (captias) are visually orientated. I know
there is a certain add-on for a certain Windows web browser which you can
use to solve these captias. Is there such add-on for Safari also?

 

Regards

Morne 

 

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that matter 
and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain on 
offers little protection.  People can still hear.  Voice Over speech is clear 
enough for even the sighted to understand.  If I've got the wrong end of it 
please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal worth 
bothering over.
  - Original Message - 
  From: BrailleTouch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


  Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
  about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

  Caleb
  http://brailletouchapp.com/


  On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
   I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with 
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read 
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. 
That could be an issue for me down the road.
  
   Bob Fenton
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com 
wrote:
  
   I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
   phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
   the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
   phone on a flat surface to input.
  
   Kim
  
   On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
   I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
  
   Sent from my iPod
  
   On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
  
   Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
   but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try 
the
   app before purchase is excellent.
  
   I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
   this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
   would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
   refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
   On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
   little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
   they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
   under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the 
cell,
   but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
   refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
   the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
  
   I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
   there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
   find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
   devices.
  
   Congrats to the developers on the app.
  
   Jonathan
  
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Re: New AFB App Helps People with Vision Loss Easily Take Notes on iPhoneR, iPadR, and iPod touchR

2013-02-02 Thread Sandratomkins
Hi,

Feel I am missing something here: I have successfully used the onboard 
notes app for, I think, just about all of these functions. Sure, Search is a 
feature lacking, but is that the only one? Can you use basic formatting such as 
fonts etc with this app? As for returning to an note to append, I never had a 
problem with that, just going into edit mode and control down arrow, I think it 
is, upon hearing the bonk sound, I know where I am. Also, I suppose, there 
isn't a proper tree structure for folders etc and that would be useful. So, are 
these two the only advantages to this new app? I am not knocking it, but I am 
knocking the price unless ,of course, I have completely missed the salient 
points.

Thanks in advance, Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Feb 2013, at 23:31, Don  Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:

 FYI-
  
 From: AccessWorld [
 mailto:accesswo...@afb.net]
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:13 PM
 Subject: AccessNote Notetaker App Now Available in the App Store
  
 New American Foundation for the Blind App Helps People with Vision Loss 
 Easily Take Notes on iPhone®, iPad®, and iPod touch®
  
 New York (February 1, 2013)—For the millions of Americans with vision loss 
 looking for a simple, convenient way to take notes at work, at school, or at
 home, the American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) today launched the 
 AccessNote™, a specialized notetaker for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.
  
 “Apple products have earned high points from us for their out-of-the-box 
 accessibility for users who are blind or visually impaired,” said Carl R. 
 Augusto,
 AFB president and CEO. “We designed this app to complement the iPhone’s other 
 popular features, like web browsing and email, so that users who are blind
 have all the tools they need in one, handy device.”
  
 A traditional notetaker is a portable electronic device that enables users 
 who are blind or visually impaired to take notes, create documents, and access
 applications. These devices, extremely valuable for people who are blind or 
 visually impaired, usually provide either speech or braille output (or both).
 They retail for upwards of $2,000 and much more for those with a built-in 
 braille display; AFB’s AccessNote app is available for $19.99.
  
 In addition to being a low-cost alternative to traditional notetakers, 
 AccessNote allows users to combine efficient notetaking with many other 
 features
 and functions of the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. This allows people who are 
 blind or visually impaired to use the same popular devices that their sighted
 peers are using in classroom or business settings.
  
 This is the first notetaking app developed and designed specifically for 
 users with vision loss. AFB evaluated many of the other available notetaking 
 apps,
 but found none to be very efficient or user-friendly to people who are blind 
 or visually impaired.
  
 What sets the AccessNote apart includes:
 · Seamless Navigation. Customized keyboard commands make notetaking more 
 intuitive and productive than ever before, including quick access to important
 features like Search All Notes, Search Within a Note, as well as several 
 navigation options.
 · Automatic Saving. With an automatic save on every few keystrokes, notes 
 will never be lost.
 · Cursor tracking. When navigating among multiple sets of notes, users can 
 always pick up right where they left off.
 · Unparalleled Simplicity. With a clutter-free interface, users can create, 
 read, find, and sync, making it easier to spend more time with actual content
 and less time with tools.
 · DropBox Integration. All notes, always on hand. DropBox keeps AccessNote in 
 sync with the user’s desktop (and other devices) so their notes are always
 available and backed up.
 · Compatibility with Bluetooth keyboards. AccessNote is optimized for 
 efficiency with the Apple Wireless Keyboard and for today’s wireless braille 
 displays.
  
  
 AccessNote was developed in conjunction with FloCo Apps and is available on 
 the App Store(sm).
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread RobH!
It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type,  or I've 
not found it there yet.  I flick into the menu to read it,  and tend to flip 
the phone back to face me to do it;   though I can operate it quite well 
without.  Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to 
matter.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


Hi Bob,

You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned
about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
 I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
That could be an issue for me down the road.

 Bob Fenton

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
 phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
 the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
 phone on a flat surface to input.

 Kim

 On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

 Sent from my iPod

 On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
release,
 but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
the
 app before purchase is excellent.

 I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
think
 this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
you
 would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
 refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
don't.
 On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
 little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
 they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
 under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
cell,
 but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
 refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
as
 the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

 I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
think
 there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
I'd
 find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
 devices.

 Congrats to the developers on the app.

 Jonathan

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Re: BrailleTouch - finding letters you are having trouble with

2013-02-02 Thread RobH!
Two things:   I have one of the hd cases, so the screen is framed quite 
deeply for protection, so can't miss, though can't always get in the edges 
either.
But with a little care, I get it reasonably consistently now.  I also note 
that since it only registers the letter when you lift your fingers, you get 
tons of time to shuffle them all on and around until you're happy.  That's 
worked a time or two when I try go too fast.  But yes,  since you're hitting 
the character at a stroke, it's a heck of a lot faster then the vKeyboard on 
screen.

Rh.
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From: BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:13 PM
Subject: BrailleTouch - finding letters you are having trouble with


Hi Chris,
What does BrailleTouch say when you type the letter Y?

RobH said below that BrailleTouch saw the letter N (dots 1-3-4-5) when
he typed the letter Y (dots 1-3-4-5-6). That means that BrailleTouch was
not seeing dot 6. Let's assume the flip dots setting is off, as in the
default app. That means that Rob's ring finger was not registering on
the touchscreen. It could have been a little too far down and off the
touch sensitive area.

I personally have trouble with Y and Z sometimes. I go a little slower
when placing my fingers for these two letters, and then lift my fingers
quickly off the screen.

Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/1/2013 8:10 AM, Chris H wrote:
 Yes the y is a struggle for me. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.


 Christopher Hallsworth

 On 31/01/2013 21:26, RobH! wrote:
 Well,  I struggled to make some of the characters work, but they did
 in the
 end.  I got an N about 6 times in a row when trying for a Y. Still don't
 know what I was doing wrong, but it corrected in the end.

 R.
 - Original Message -
 From: Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:30 PM
 Subject: Re: I Have Already Upgraded Braille Touch


 Once you do your first tap before starting to type, you need to keep
 your
 fingers in that position. I think the tendency is to move fingers up and
 down from the original position and that's why you are getting the
 lowered
 effect. You have more wiggle room right to left but you need to
 keep your
 fingers in position up and down. Maybe kind of imagine the dots as
 stationary on the phone where you first tapped instead of thinking you
 should move up and down the column. I would really advise people to play
 with this and post problems before posting evaluational comments. As I
 recall, my first few hours' experience with typing on the virtual
 keyboard
 on the iPhone weren't very impressive either. Some skills take time and
 patience. If, however, my skill hadn't improved with the virtual
 keyboard
 over time, I would have taken it back and would have said the iPhone
 just
 wasn't for me.



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Re: brailletouch

2013-02-02 Thread RobH!
I agree with pretty well all of this - I came to one conclusion, well, 
another conclusion really;  if you think about fingers to dots;  or just the 
one,  first finger left is dot1;  the rest follow naturally after that. 
Think about holding it and phone orientation,  and confusion sets in.  I 
tried the flipped setting, got it pretty well, then switched it back; like I 
said, so long as I'm thinking first finger left is dot1, it just works. 
Done a ton of texting on a noisy bus earlier, something I never do, couldn't 
do, could never hear the letters spoke as I groped for them.  This way, you 
just hit it and it's done.  So efficient, and to think I've not typed 
braille since at school, I'm over 60 now!

Rh,  Still not doing this with it mind!
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: brailletouch


Patti, I had trepidations about this app too but the developer has obviously 
foreseen this problem.  The free version lets you try it out and fool around 
with it so you can get your feet wet so to speak.  Think positive! grin 
Keep saying to yourself, I think I can-I think I can-I think I can! grin 
It feels strange at first because the brain is saying hey idiot, your 
holding a phone not a brailor!  LOL!  Then the brain takes over and says 
hold the phone here, pun intended, the I think I can thing a few more times 
and in about 10 or 15 minutes your thinking, hey this is faster then typing 
on the virtual keyboard and the rest is history.  Flecksy was the app of the 
year according to A T Guys but I suspect Braille Touch will be the winner 
for 2013.

HTH
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patti Johnson
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:08 PM
  Subject: brailletouch


  I'm so klutzy I probably couldn't do this, the way you have to position 
the phone and type, I'd never get the hang of it.
  I don't type fast on the phone anyway, but I think it is a wonderful idea. 
Congratulations to the developer for an app that is meeting with great 
success already.
  Patti





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Re: access note, is it worth it?

2013-02-02 Thread RobH!
So the final test - for now - was droptext,  it did open the file,  I used 
Vo's edit features to select all and copy;  went to access note, add, paste, 
and backed out.  saved as Note1 I notice,  nothing to do with Moon facts, 
the subject and content of the text.  Sync'd,  I found it in DB Ok.  Opened 
again in Accessnote,  used  readonly or whatever it was called, read down a 
bit,  backed out, did nothing for saving place.  Not found search,  or at 
least, what if I didn't want to search all the files?

So that's it, still don't seem to have achieved anything from before, and 
the dearest app to date.

R.
- Original Message - 
From: Rose Waagan r...@chicksdigmacs.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?


So I've read this thread from start to finish. And while I've seen
mention of alternatives to Access Note, no one has mentioned whether
these alternatives have searching where Voiceover follows your cursor
or proper cursor tracking. Thse things are really important to me when
reviewing notes or studying for class. I rely on the search function
heavily. I don't want to pay $20 for this app, But I'm honestly about
to. Also, has anyone tested this app with larger documents? When I say
larger documents, I'm speaking of documents which are longer than just
a few pages. Perhaps 30 or more.

On 2/1/13, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Anna, since I have a bt keyboard, and a Braillenote I think it probably is
 too, I just wanted a second opinion.
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 02 February 2013 00:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 Hi,

 I think it's worth the US$20 I paid. I wrote a detailed explanation of my
 reasoning on this list a couple of days ago, and I also put that review in
 the app store, so I imagine it's available there by now.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 Anna, in your view, is it worth the £13.99, approx. $20 it costs in the
 UK?
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 01 February 2013 23:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 Hi,

 AccessNote is designed to work with VoiceOver, so yes, it's fully
 compatible
 with it.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:

 Is it fully, mostly, or partially VO compatible?

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: access note, is it worth it?

 For those who may be interested in another cheeper alternative:

 Featured three times on Lifehacker.com as one of the best tools for
 getting
 things done!

 Nebulous Notes is a powerful, yet simple, text editor for note-takers,
 writers, and coders. Your notes are backed up and available from
 Dropbox,
 the best back-up service in the world. Free accounts on Dropbox come
 with
 2GB of space, enough to store 500 copies of Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace.

 Features
 .Open and edit all plain-text files (.txt, .md, .c, etc.)
 .Preview files in HTML, MarkDown
 .Supports saving and opening in all file encodings (useful for
 international
 users)
 .VoiceOver hints
 .Print documents using AirPrint
 .Supports TextExpander touch snippet expansion

 Features Lacking in Competing Apps
 .Save in Evernote
 .Open files from ANY Dropbox folder
 .Customizable themes
 .Macro system lets you add frequently used keys to a toolbar (like { } [
 ]
 =
 %, etc.).
 .Macro system also has basic text-substitutions for convenient HTML tags

 .Protect the app with a PIN
 .Search Dropbox or Search for text with a document
 .Full-screen support for Writeroom-style editing
 .Insert Tab key (multi-line tabbing and un-tabbing supported)
 .One-click access to Scratch Pad
 .One-click access to MarkDown preview
 .Turn off word-wrapping








 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Scott Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:36 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?

 I know one called nebulous notes which is only about five dollars

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Joshua Klander joshklan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello.  I have not tried AccessNote, and don't plan on doing so.  In my
 opinion, a notetaking app is not worth $20.  There is a built-in Notes
 app
 in iOs, and if you want more features, I'm pretty sure that there are
 plenty
 of $0.99 alternatives on the App store.  This is just my opinion though.
 Josh
 - 

Re: flight tracker

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
I'd be interested in reading your thoughts and experiences with it.  I haven't 
played around with it much and I only found out about shake to get a random 
flight kind of like a demo I should think.  It should be handy to keep track of 
your flight wile your sitting there in the airport just twiddling your thumbs.  
At least you should be able to see if it's on time or running late.
  - Original Message - 
  From: cait furness 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:47 PM
  Subject: Re: flight tracker


  thanks!  I'll check this out!
  Cait


  On 2013-02-01, at 2:05 PM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
wrote:


Flight Track Free seems to be accessible as well.  There are text entry 
fields for the flight number, departure etc.  Or as a demo, shake your iPhone.  
I did and got a Las Vegas to Paris flight leaving McCarran airport and arriving 
Paris times etc.
  - Original Message -
  From: cait furness
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:17 PM
  Subject: Re: flight tracker


  Thanks Hope!
  Cait

  On 2013-01-31, at 8:07 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote:

   There's one flight tracker pro I believe. 
   
   Sent from my iPhone
   
   On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:17 PM, cait furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   
   Hi,
   What apps are people using to track flight info, please?  I'd like 
something that's accessible, obviously.  I got one tonight called flight aware, 
but it's all graphs..
   Thanks,
   Caitlyn
   
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Re: Repeating tap tap see results

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
I accidentally took a picture wile feeling around the screen.  The picture was 
of my shirt which I always thought was blue.  I find out it is not blue, it's 
green.  So when my sighted wife came home, I asked her is my shirt blue or 
green, she said green.  Wow!  Tap Tap See hit it bang on!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Bundy 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


  Just a funny thing that happened today. Being totally blind, I sometimes 
don't focus a camera well. I took a picture of a co-worker today to see what 
Tap Tap See would say, and all it said was air vent. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote:

   I wasn't thinking when I bropped a bunch of K cups in a canister, but
   it distinguishes the brand name.  That was enough to help me figure
   out which one I wanted.  I had Green Mountain and Folgers, and I
   prefer different water levels.  It even told me I have a black dog,
   and my hubby had on a gray shirt. I like this app.
   
   On 2/1/13, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote:
   I only wish I got results, only one I have gotten thus far is can but not
   what it was a can of.  However, I seemed to be doomed with camera anything,
   Looktel Money Reader is the exception it works at 98% of the time.
   
   I really wanted this to work since I am here alone so much of time and end
   up playing guess what this is, especially when someone else put it away or
   bought it as my husband will, without ever telling me about it until he
   wants it that is.
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
   Of Barbara Wilson
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:27 AM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
   
   No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
   identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
   
   I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few
   of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a
   class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
   
   Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
   told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
   coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
   
   Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this app
   is great.
   
   I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
   
   Barbara
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Carol Pearson
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
   
   Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from objects
   to start with?
   
   Carol P
   
   On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
   It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give
   it a try.
   
   Paul
   
   -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
   
   What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures,
   so far as visually impaired people are concerned?
   
   I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
   like to know why it's getting popular!
   
   Carol P
   
   On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
   Eileen and Paul,
   
   The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well
   as an automatic flash.
   
   Here's a link to it:
   https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
   
   Hope that helps,
   Dmitriy
   
   On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8,
   paul.f...@insightbb.com
   wrote:
   
  Hello,
   
  No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
   
  Thanks.
   
  Paul
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Eileen Misrahi
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
  Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
   
   
   
  Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
  Is seems
  that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
  repeat? All
  suggestions are welcomed.
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Eileen
   
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Mail bug Orveto bug?

2013-02-02 Thread Jenifer Barr
Hi all.
I've noticed, with the new update, the new iOS update, the VO seems to be 
reading one more email message then there actually is. Meaning, if I have no 
unread messages in my mail, and I exit, the doc email app always says when new 
item. And, if I go back into my email, it has No unread messages. Meaning, the 
mail app always seems to think there is an unread message, but in all actually 
there isn't. Make sense? Or am I totally off my rocker!

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

2013-02-02 Thread Dmitriy Konopatskiy
Lauren,

It is a combination of a database algorithm and crowdsourcing. The image
does not always go to a human for identification. We have a complex
technology behind TapTapSee.

I actually work for the company that developed TapTapSee.

As you mentioned, TapTapSee's new update does in fact have an automated
flash in case the picture is taken in a dark place. It also has a repeat
button. We're currently working on more upgrades for the app. As I said in
a different thread, if anyone would like to give feedback or suggestions
you can always contact us via Twitter http://Twitter.com/TapTapSee or you
can simply drop a line to me at dmit...@taptapseeapp.com.

Hope you enjoy the app! :)

-Dmitriy

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer
 app works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store.
 This TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In
 other words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings
 responding. This is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This
 also may explain why only general descriptions of objects are provided such
 as black shoe, $20, yellow blouse, Lysol wipes, etc. I'm not
 certain yet that any sort of database of known objects is employed as might
 be the case with bar code scanners.

 Please try the following for best results:
 *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
 automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
 *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
 other side can send back their description
 *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture
 to be recognized.
 *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring
 camera a little closer.

 *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures
 of rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there
 recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
 describing meaningless things.

 Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
 thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.

 LS
 - Original Message - From: Barbara Wilson 
 barkingbabs1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


  No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
 identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.

 I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a
 few of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a
 class of students thinking of buying iPhones.

 Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
 told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
 coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.

 Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
 app is great.

 I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.

 Barbara


 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

 Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
 objects to start with?

 Carol P

 On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:

 It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it
 a try.

 Paul

 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

 What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
 far as visually impaired people are concerned?

 I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
 like to know why it's getting popular!

 Carol P

 On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:

 Eileen and Paul,

 The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as
 an automatic flash.

 Here's a link to it: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
 app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8

 Hope that helps,
 Dmitriy

 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, 
 paul.f...@insightbb.comwrote:

 Hello,

 No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.

 Thanks.

 Paul

 -Original Message-
 From: Eileen Misrahi
 Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Subject: Repeating tap tap see results



 Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
 Is seems
 that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
 repeat? All
 suggestions are welcomed.

 Thanks in advance.

 Eileen

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Re: BrailleTouch - finding letters you are having trouble with

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
It can.  go to settings, braille touch.  There you can select characters, 
words, both and more.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris H 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: BrailleTouch - finding letters you are having trouble with


  I get it eventually but it can either say g, n, whatever.


  Christopher Hallsworth

  On 01/02/2013 22:13, BrailleTouch wrote:
   Hi Chris,
   What does BrailleTouch say when you type the letter Y?
  
   RobH said below that BrailleTouch saw the letter N (dots 1-3-4-5) when
   he typed the letter Y (dots 1-3-4-5-6). That means that BrailleTouch was
   not seeing dot 6. Let's assume the flip dots setting is off, as in the
   default app. That means that Rob's ring finger was not registering on
   the touchscreen. It could have been a little too far down and off the
   touch sensitive area.
  
   I personally have trouble with Y and Z sometimes. I go a little slower
   when placing my fingers for these two letters, and then lift my fingers
   quickly off the screen.
  
   Thanks,
   Caleb
   http://brailletouchapp.com/
  
   On 2/1/2013 8:10 AM, Chris H wrote:
   Yes the y is a struggle for me. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
  
  
   Christopher Hallsworth
  
   On 31/01/2013 21:26, RobH! wrote:
   Well,  I struggled to make some of the characters work, but they did
   in the
   end.  I got an N about 6 times in a row when trying for a Y. Still don't
   know what I was doing wrong, but it corrected in the end.
  
   R.
   - Original Message -
   From: Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:30 PM
   Subject: Re: I Have Already Upgraded Braille Touch
  
  
   Once you do your first tap before starting to type, you need to keep
   your
   fingers in that position. I think the tendency is to move fingers up and
   down from the original position and that's why you are getting the
   lowered
   effect. You have more wiggle room right to left but you need to
   keep your
   fingers in position up and down. Maybe kind of imagine the dots as
   stationary on the phone where you first tapped instead of thinking you
   should move up and down the column. I would really advise people to play
   with this and post problems before posting evaluational comments. As I
   recall, my first few hours' experience with typing on the virtual
   keyboard
   on the iPhone weren't very impressive either. Some skills take time and
   patience. If, however, my skill hadn't improved with the virtual
   keyboard
   over time, I would have taken it back and would have said the iPhone
   just
   wasn't for me.
  
  
  

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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

2013-02-02 Thread Dmitriy Konopatskiy
Alex,

After you click to take a picture does the app say Picture 1 Take or any
other number for that matter?

-Dmitriy

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.comwrote:

 Lauren, I had a feeling that was how it did it, but wasn't sure. The
 problem
 I have though is that sometimes, you take a picture of something, and
 nothing happens. It doesn't tell you the image is being processed or
 anything
 Cheers
 Alex

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Lauren Simmons
 Sent: 01 February 2013 21:15
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Information on how TapTapSee works

 Hi all,

 I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer app
 works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store. This
 TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In other
 words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings responding. This
 is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This also may explain
 why

 only general descriptions of objects are provided such as black shoe,
 $20, yellow blouse, Lysol wipes, etc. I'm not certain yet that any
 sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case with bar
 code scanners.

 Please try the following for best results:
 *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
 automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
 *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
 other side can send back their description
 *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture
 to be recognized.
 *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring
 camera

 a little closer.

 *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures of
 rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there
 recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
 describing meaningless things.

 Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
 thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.

 LS
 - Original Message -
 From: Barbara Wilson barkingbabs1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results


  No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
  identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
 
  I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a
 few

  of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a
  class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
 
  Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
  told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
  coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
 
  Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
  app is great.
 
  I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
 
  Barbara
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Carol Pearson
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
  Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
  objects to start with?
 
  Carol P
 
  On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
  It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it
  a try.
 
  Paul
 
  -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
  What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
  far as visually impaired people are concerned?
 
  I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
  like to know why it's getting popular!
 
  Carol P
 
  On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
  Eileen and Paul,
 
  The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as
  an automatic flash.
 
  Here's a link to it:
  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
 
  Hope that helps,
  Dmitriy
 
  On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com
  wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Paul
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Eileen Misrahi
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
  Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
 
  Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
  Is seems
  that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
  repeat? All
  suggestions are welcomed.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Facebook App Latest Update

2013-02-02 Thread Tony
Shame on them, they're going backwards.

 

For me at least, flicking through news stories causes the app to exit.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dean Wilcox
Sent: 31 January 2013 14:42
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Facebook App Latest Update

 

The old one which annoys me is when you tap on a post which a video or link
you can't like, view or add comments because you are taken straight to the
item posted.

 

 

 

On 30 Jan 2013, at 16:00, matthew Dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
wrote:





Hi,

 

 

I still have a problem with status updates being skipped with voice over.
If I use the site directly on my computer than I I can see all the updates.
Any one here have the same problem?  Refreshing does nothing for me.

 

Matthew

 

 

On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:45 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:





Yep...this latest update sucks! I could live with the status update
inconvenience if I had to, but what I am really peeved about is that I can
no longer post on someone's wall using the ap...it takes me into the camera
and the compose button is dimmed! SMH!  

 

 

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From: Shane clark mailto:hshanecl...@gmail.com  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: Facebook App Latest Update

 

Hi,

It does the same thing with the onscreen keyboard too. What I do is type a
few words, then slide my finger slowly from the keyboard, till I hear Vo say
what I wrote. Doing it that way will also get Vo to read people's name for
who you're tagging too. You could also open notification center, and post to
Fb that way as well. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, CD cd5...@gmail.com wrote:

I updated the regular facebook app last night and now when I type a status
my Bluetooth keyboard doesn't speak as I type with VO.  If any of you have
experienced this is there a work around?  Thanks.

 

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Re: How do I Make Corrections after Filling In a Field?

2013-02-02 Thread Marcy Weinberg
Use the rotor to get two characters. Flick to the text field and make sure that 
it is editing. Double tap the edit field and you'll hear either insertion point 
at start, or insertion point at end. If the word you want to delete or correct 
is at the end, one ship your insertion point is at the end, you can delete 
character by character, then fix your mistake. You can also go word by word, 
flicking up and down until you get to the word that needs to be corrected, By 
turning the rotor two words.



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On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Dani L Pagador axs@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Everyone.
 I’m awful at typing and editing on my iTouch, but need to be able to do it in 
 case I don’t have my braille display handy. Is it possible to correct my 
 mistakes as I go, or do I have to wait till I’m done and then get back in to 
 the field to do it?
 How do I go about correcting my many misspellings? I know that I can read 
 character by character, but am not sure how to use the onscreen keyboard to 
 fix my crappy typing. How do I know where the insertion point is? How do I 
 get to the onscreen keyboard to do the editing?
 Is there a podcast somewhere that just goes over basic typing and editing? 
 This newbie needs a whole lot o’ help.
 TIA,
 Dani
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: need an app to take notes

2013-02-02 Thread Keith Watson
Hi,

$20 for a note taking app seems a bit excessive for my tastes. I use an app 
named Notely for managing my text files in Dropbox. I also use TrunkNotes for 
creating a personal wiki type document. I can easily create linked pages and 
using mark down I can format my documents with headings, bold text or any other 
type of formatting you can think of. It's a great app. And both of these app 
together cost less than 5 buks.

HTH

Keith


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 Hi everyone,
 I have read about accessnotes but find it a bit expensive for what i need.
 Basically I need an app to take notes, organize them and listen back to them. 
 I need to be able to easily pause recordings and playback sessions because i 
 want to read stuff into the memo, like routes that i need to walk and i want 
 to listen back to small pieces when i walk the route. Furthermore i want to 
 easily be able to find the note i need so labelling would be nice.
 Thanks in advance for any recommendations.
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

2013-02-02 Thread David Chittenden
Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
documents are written with just one space after the period.

My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with 
most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:

 Hello everybody:
 
 there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need 
 to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it 
 is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? 
 Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
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Re: tap tap see

2013-02-02 Thread Debbie G
Yeah, there you go, hehehehahaha!!!

Debbie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Paganelli 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:28 AM
  Subject: Re: tap tap see


  Yes, me too.  Took a picture of me, my dog, my coffee maker, the keys on my 
Hammond organ.  Thought that should stop-um. Didn't it came back and said organ 
keys.  Then I tried a box of shake-an-bake.  They got that right too so maybe 
they were to busy with my fooling around and forgot you pestered them or maybe 
the other way around! LOL!
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From: Debbie G 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: tap tap see


Well, if those are humans who had identified the things that I had taken 
pictures of, I'm sure they were pretty tired of me.  I was having a lot of fun 
with it!

Debbie
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  From: Hayri Tulumcu 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:13 AM
  Subject: tap tap see


  how can the people reply so fast? and how menny people is there

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread Regina Alvarado
No, i have not found the text on the screen either without going back into the 
menu, but what I would like to see is a way to fix the text before putting it 
in whatEveR you are writing for. Thanks for suggestion about finding the 
square. Helps!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:04 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type,  or I've 
 not found it there yet.  I flick into the menu to read it,  and tend to flip 
 the phone back to face me to do it;   though I can operate it quite well 
 without.  Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to 
 matter.
 
 Rh.
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 From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM
 Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
 
 
 Hi Bob,
 
 You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
 bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
 it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of BrailleTouch
 Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
 
 Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned
 about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12
 
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 
 On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
 I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with
 the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
 what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
 That could be an issue for me down the road.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
 phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
 the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
 phone on a flat surface to input.
 
 Kim
 
 On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
 
 Sent from my iPod
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
 release,
 but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
 the
 app before purchase is excellent.
 
 I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
 think
 this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
 you
 would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
 refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
 don't.
 On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
 little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
 they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
 under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
 cell,
 but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
 refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
 as
 the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
 
 I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
 think
 there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
 I'd
 find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
 devices.
 
 Congrats to the developers on the app.
 
 Jonathan
 
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

2013-02-02 Thread Robert Fenton
The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as 
possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted 
standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra 
spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning 
braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing 
nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write 
braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were 
preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching 
braille formatting rules? 

Just some more thoughts to consider. 

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

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 Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
 documents are written with just one space after the period.
 
 My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with 
 most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 Hello everybody:
 
 there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need 
 to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it 
 is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? 
 Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Facebook App Latest Update

2013-02-02 Thread Len Burns
I am seeing that here as well. Also, since the update before this, I have no 
longer been seeing the timestamps on posts to Facebook. This direction is not 
good. It's time to go write a comment on their page.

-Len

On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Tony tonys_gro...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Shame on them, they’re going backwards.
  
 For me at least, flicking through news stories causes the app to exit.
  
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Dean Wilcox
 Sent: 31 January 2013 14:42
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Facebook App Latest Update
  
 The old one which annoys me is when you tap on a post which a video or link 
 you can't like, view or add comments because you are taken straight to the 
 item posted.
  
  
  
 On 30 Jan 2013, at 16:00, matthew Dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
  
  
 I still have a problem with status updates being skipped with voice over.  If 
 I use the site directly on my computer than I I can see all the updates.  Any 
 one here have the same problem?  Refreshing does nothing for me.
  
 Matthew
  
  
 On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:45 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:
 
 
 Yep...this latest update sucks! I could live with the status update 
 inconvenience if I had to, but what I am really peeved about is that I can no 
 longer post on someone's wall using the ap...it takes me into the camera and 
 the compose button is dimmed! SMH! 
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Shane clark
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: Facebook App Latest Update
  
 Hi,
 It does the same thing with the onscreen keyboard too. What I do is type a 
 few words, then slide my finger slowly from the keyboard, till I hear Vo say 
 what I wrote. Doing it that way will also get Vo to read people's name for 
 who you're tagging too. You could also open notification center, and post to 
 Fb that way as well. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, CD cd5...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I updated the regular facebook app last night and now when I type a status my 
 Bluetooth keyboard doesn’t speak as I type with VO.  If any of you have 
 experienced this is there a work around?  Thanks.
  
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Re: Safari and captias

2013-02-02 Thread Arnold Schmidt
Well yes and no to being out of luck. I am all for their being an equivalent to 
WebVism for my iPhone, but there is a difference between my iPhone and, even, a 
laptop.  I will have it with me most of the time, so if I remember to do so 
when I am around sighted help that I can trust, all I have to do is go back to 
that site and ask them to tell me what it says.  By no means is this an ideal 
solution, but the problem with this desktop is that I probably won't have it 
with me the next time I am around sighted help, unless they come here.  But I 
may very well have my phone.

Arnold Schmidt 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:59 AM
  Subject: RE: Safari and captias


  Hi Morné,

   

  The plug-in you refer to is called Webvisum and it is for the Firefox 
browser. It does usually work very well, but unfortunately Safari has no such 
capability so unless the website itself offers an audio alternative you are out 
of luck.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Morné van der Merwe
  Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 12:19 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Safari and captias

   

  Hello list,

   

  Some websites requires a verification code when you’ve entered information. 
Sometimes these verification codes (captias) are visually orientated. I know 
there is a certain add-on for a certain Windows web browser which you can use 
to solve these captias. Is there such add-on for Safari also?

   

  Regards

  Morne 

   

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RE: Access Note -- How to delete a note

2013-02-02 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Rob and Kimberley,

I haven't purchased Access Note yet although I probably will. In any case, I
am surprised an app that is made for Voiceover user doesn't utilize the
latest and greatest in Voiceover features and by that I mean why don't they
use the Action Rotor Apple has implemented in apps like Mail, Messages, the
Favourites List, the Music app etc. this would allow you to just flick down
or up if the rotor is set to Actions and toggle between Delete and Standard.

Maybe the double tap and swipe works extremely well in the Access Note app,
I never thought it was a super reliable gesture before in apps like music,
but maybe it is more so in Access Note, it was just a thought.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH!
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Access Note -- How to delete a note

Double tap and hold, then flick right, it should ask you to confirm delete.

The good old edit feature in other apps is so useful!
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From: Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:44 AM
Subject: Access Note -- How to delete a note


I have been through the documentation that comes with the app, but I
can't figure out how to delete a note. I created a test note when I
first bought the app and now I would like to get rid of it. There's no
edit button on the all notes screen and the flicking gestures don't
seem to work either. Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks,
Kimber

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RE: tap tap see

2013-02-02 Thread Debbie Downey
I have tried taking a picture of Yoplait Light Yogurt and Tap Tap See tells
me that is what it is but it won't tell me the flavor no matter what I do.
Does it not get that specific or is it still possibly something that I'm
doing wrong? I have an ID Mate so I do know the flavor, I just want to see
if this app will give me at least that specific information! I do know it's
Yoplait Light Yogurt but I'd like to know what flavor!
 
Deb


  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: tap tap see


Yes, me too.  Took a picture of me, my dog, my coffee maker, the keys on my
Hammond organ.  Thought that should stop-um. Didn't it came back and said
organ keys.  Then I tried a box of shake-an-bake.  They got that right too
so maybe they were to busy with my fooling around and forgot you pestered
them or maybe the other way around! LOL!

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From: Debbie G mailto:buttercup1...@sbcglobal.net  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: tap tap see

Well, if those are humans who had identified the things that I had taken
pictures of, I'm sure they were pretty tired of me.  I was having a lot of
fun with it!
 
Debbie

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From: Hayri Tulumcu mailto:ha...@ka-net.dk  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:13 AM
Subject: tap tap see

how can the people reply so fast? and how menny people is there



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Re: brailletouch

2013-02-02 Thread Regina Alvarado
Rob,
You never used braille since school? Hard to believe! i typed for almost 36 
years for my job, but I never stopped wishing I could use braille for it! I 
love typing, but braille is my preferred, and when grade 2 comes in this app is 
going to be revolutionary for braille users! I love FleksY, but this will be 
even faster for braille users. Now, if I could just keep my fingers from 
hitting Where they shouldn't. Still not comfortable holding the phone quite 
yet. Straying ring fingers, so a lot of deletes. Getting better, though.

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:12 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I agree with pretty well all of this - I came to one conclusion, well, 
 another conclusion really;  if you think about fingers to dots;  or just the 
 one,  first finger left is dot1;  the rest follow naturally after that. 
 Think about holding it and phone orientation,  and confusion sets in.  I 
 tried the flipped setting, got it pretty well, then switched it back; like I 
 said, so long as I'm thinking first finger left is dot1, it just works. 
 Done a ton of texting on a noisy bus earlier, something I never do, couldn't 
 do, could never hear the letters spoke as I groped for them.  This way, you 
 just hit it and it's done.  So efficient, and to think I've not typed 
 braille since at school, I'm over 60 now!
 
 Rh,  Still not doing this with it mind!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:05 PM
 Subject: Re: brailletouch
 
 
 Patti, I had trepidations about this app too but the developer has obviously 
 foreseen this problem.  The free version lets you try it out and fool around 
 with it so you can get your feet wet so to speak.  Think positive! grin 
 Keep saying to yourself, I think I can-I think I can-I think I can! grin 
 It feels strange at first because the brain is saying hey idiot, your 
 holding a phone not a brailor!  LOL!  Then the brain takes over and says 
 hold the phone here, pun intended, the I think I can thing a few more times 
 and in about 10 or 15 minutes your thinking, hey this is faster then typing 
 on the virtual keyboard and the rest is history.  Flecksy was the app of the 
 year according to A T Guys but I suspect Braille Touch will be the winner 
 for 2013.
 
 HTH
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patti Johnson
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:08 PM
  Subject: brailletouch
 
 
  I'm so klutzy I probably couldn't do this, the way you have to position 
 the phone and type, I'd never get the hang of it.
  I don't type fast on the phone anyway, but I think it is a wonderful idea. 
 Congratulations to the developer for an app that is meeting with great 
 success already.
  Patti
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Facebook App Latest Update

2013-02-02 Thread Srikanth Kanuri
the same problem here also. writing status is broken first and now this
stupid problem. real shame on them. Face Book accessibility please wakeup::

Sent from my iPhone

On 02-Feb-2013, at 10:37 PM, Len Burns len.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

I am seeing that here as well. Also, since the update before this, I have
no longer been seeing the timestamps on posts to Facebook. This direction
is not good. It's time to go write a comment on their page.

-Len

On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Tony tonys_gro...@btinternet.com wrote:

Shame on them, they’re going backwards.



For me at least, flicking through news stories causes the app to exit.







*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comviphone@googlegroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Dean Wilcox
*Sent:* 31 January 2013 14:42
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Facebook App Latest Update



The old one which annoys me is when you tap on a post which a video or link
you can't like, view or add comments because you are taken straight to the
item posted.







On 30 Jan 2013, at 16:00, matthew Dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
wrote:



Hi,





I still have a problem with status updates being skipped with voice over.
 If I use the site directly on my computer than I I can see all the
updates.  Any one here have the same problem?  Refreshing does nothing for
me.



Matthew





On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:45 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:



Yep...this latest update sucks! I could live with the status update
inconvenience if I had to, but what I am really peeved about is that I can
no longer post on someone's wall using the ap...it takes me into the camera
and the compose button is dimmed! SMH!





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*From:* Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com

*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:55 AM

*Subject:* Re: Facebook App Latest Update



Hi,

It does the same thing with the onscreen keyboard too. What I do is type a
few words, then slide my finger slowly from the keyboard, till I hear Vo
say what I wrote. Doing it that way will also get Vo to read people's name
for who you're tagging too. You could also open notification center, and
post to Fb that way as well.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, CD cd5...@gmail.com wrote:

I updated the regular facebook app last night and now when I type a status
my Bluetooth keyboard doesn’t speak as I type with VO.  If any of you have
experienced this is there a work around?  Thanks.



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Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

2013-02-02 Thread paras shah
What should be done is no matter where u put your fingures u still
should be able to type the braille letters. The current version is
that your fingures have to be exactly at the correct  position. I had
trouble finding the letter t. thanks

On 2/2/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience is,
 if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots
 most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring.  How
 about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the
 fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of both hands in the bottom
 center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V.
 Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held.
   - Original Message -
   From: BrailleTouch
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
   Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement


   Hi Rob and everyone,
   I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with
   BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain
   characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

   When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the
   four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the
   dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left
   index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you
   find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then type an
   apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward
   that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and
   forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably
   and reliably located your left hand.

   Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right
   index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring
   finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and
   the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for
   your right hand.

   I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to
   BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters
   to work. Please let me know.

   Thanks,
   Caleb
   http://brailletouchapp.com/

   On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so absolute
accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the area.
 I'd
like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so
 we
might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could betray
 us.
Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?
   
Thanks, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
   
   
Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my little
 finger
but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away from me
 and
my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape.
 What I
need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put
 my
Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into
 the
screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the home
 button
on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they
 further
into the screen?
Reggie
   
   
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
Of Jennie Facer
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH
   
Hi,
   
First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as
 if
you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera.  now,
 put
your palms on each end of the phone.  now rest your fingers vertically
 on
the screen.  dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your
right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end
 of
the screen.
   
Write me off list if I can be of more helpp.
   
Jenn
   
Sent from my iPhone
   
   

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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

2013-02-02 Thread David Chittenden
Are new braille learners more likely to write braille electronically or on 
paper?

The reason for the different Braille formatting rules is because, on paper, 
Braille is so much larger than print.
As a congenitally blind learner who grew up on Braille formatting rules, it has 
been complicated for me to learn print formatting rules as an adult.
With much of Braille being electronic nowadays, I submit that Braille be taught 
with print, rather than Braille, formatting rules. Further, I submit that 
congenitally blind learners be taught print tactually with tactile experience 
of differing sized letters and experience of different font types. Otherwise, 
the confusion amongst the blind around characters per line, character spacing, 
line spacing, and so forth, will continue. One of the reasons it is easy for me 
to get my head around such concepts is that my mother taught me print letters 
using plastic letter magnets before I went to school and started learning 
Braille. Because of that, I tactually read some print signage such as number 
plates on doors, when the signage is engraved or embossed rather than just 
painted on.

Even when typewriters were used, there wasn't a standard number of spaces to 
use for indenting a print paragraph. The two main typing letter faces required 
5 or 10 spaces for one of them, and seven or twelve spaces for the other one 
(depending on whether the indent was .5 or 1 inch. with computer fonts being 
more like hand printing such that many fonts no longer use block letter sizes, 
but instead allow different letters to be different widths, in my opinion, 
sticking to Braille's antiquated formatting rules will most likely serve to 
further isolate blind people.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/02/2013, at 5:59, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:

 The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable 
 as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the 
 accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert 
 extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those 
 learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. 
 By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you 
 write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you 
 were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with 
 teaching braille formatting rules? 
 
 Just some more thoughts to consider. 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
 documents are written with just one space after the period.
 
 My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with 
 most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual 
 author.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 Hello everybody:
 
 there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need 
 to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille 
 it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as 
 well? Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: access note, is it worth it?

2013-02-02 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

I loaded a 1.3 megabyte file into AccessNote, and it didn't crash. I was able 
to search the file, read from the place midway through the file where my search 
term was located, move to the beginning, and move to the end. I needed to wait 
a while for the file to load before working with it. Moving to either end took 
probably a minute, and searching took a long time as well. I was impressed, 
though, that I could read normally with my braille display when I found the 
search term, with no hesitation.

Best,
Anna


On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Rose Waagan r...@chicksdigmacs.net wrote:

 So I've read this thread from start to finish. And while I've seen
 mention of alternatives to Access Note, no one has mentioned whether
 these alternatives have searching where Voiceover follows your cursor
 or proper cursor tracking. Thse things are really important to me when
 reviewing notes or studying for class. I rely on the search function
 heavily. I don't want to pay $20 for this app, But I'm honestly about
 to. Also, has anyone tested this app with larger documents? When I say
 larger documents, I'm speaking of documents which are longer than just
 a few pages. Perhaps 30 or more.
 
 On 2/1/13, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Anna, since I have a bt keyboard, and a Braillenote I think it probably is
 too, I just wanted a second opinion.
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 02 February 2013 00:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 
 I think it's worth the US$20 I paid. I wrote a detailed explanation of my
 reasoning on this list a couple of days ago, and I also put that review in
 the app store, so I imagine it's available there by now.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Anna, in your view, is it worth the £13.99, approx. $20 it costs in the
 UK?
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 01 February 2013 23:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 
 AccessNote is designed to work with VoiceOver, so yes, it's fully
 compatible
 with it.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 
 Is it fully, mostly, or partially VO compatible?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: access note, is it worth it?
 
 For those who may be interested in another cheeper alternative:
 
 Featured three times on Lifehacker.com as one of the best tools for
 getting
 things done!
 
 Nebulous Notes is a powerful, yet simple, text editor for note-takers,
 writers, and coders. Your notes are backed up and available from
 Dropbox,
 the best back-up service in the world. Free accounts on Dropbox come
 with
 2GB of space, enough to store 500 copies of Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace.
 
 Features
 .Open and edit all plain-text files (.txt, .md, .c, etc.)
 .Preview files in HTML, MarkDown
 .Supports saving and opening in all file encodings (useful for
 international
 users)
 .VoiceOver hints
 .Print documents using AirPrint
 .Supports TextExpander touch snippet expansion
 
 Features Lacking in Competing Apps
 .Save in Evernote
 .Open files from ANY Dropbox folder
 .Customizable themes
 .Macro system lets you add frequently used keys to a toolbar (like { } [
 ]
 =
 %, etc.).
 .Macro system also has basic text-substitutions for convenient HTML tags
 
 .Protect the app with a PIN
 .Search Dropbox or Search for text with a document
 .Full-screen support for Writeroom-style editing
 .Insert Tab key (multi-line tabbing and un-tabbing supported)
 .One-click access to Scratch Pad
 .One-click access to MarkDown preview
 .Turn off word-wrapping
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Scott Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:36 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 I know one called nebulous notes which is only about five dollars
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Joshua Klander joshklan...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hello.  I have not tried AccessNote, and don't plan on doing so.  In my
 opinion, a notetaking app is not worth $20.  There is a built-in Notes
 app
 in iOs, and if you want more features, I'm pretty sure that there are
 plenty
 of $0.99 alternatives on the App store.  This is just my opinion though.
 Josh
 - Original Message -
 From: Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:25:24 -0500
 Subject: access  note, is 

Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Chris H

Hello Rebecca
1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent grip 
for the phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 or the 
equivalent in your country.
2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the 
right and the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots as 
being vertically arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on the 
screen. So dots 1, 2 and 3 are on the left half of the screen while dots 
4, 5 and 6 are on the right half. You may also want to try the flip dots 
1-3, 4-6 setting, which can be found in BrailleTouch, accessed in the 
main settings app on the phone under the advanced heading.

Good luck.
Chris.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:

Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a few 
questions.
1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the hone 
button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully but 
once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the alignment of 
the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get this thougb as 
I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist me with a good 
description or even using skype or face time so that maybe visually you can 
tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.

Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
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RE: need an app to take notes

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
List Recorder Full, $7.99 will do exactly what you want.
There are podcasts on www.applevis.com
And the developers page:
www.sixthmode.com

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of anouk radix
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: need an app to take notes

Hi everyone,
I have read about accessnotes but find it a bit expensive for what i need.
Basically I need an app to take notes, organize them and listen back to 
them. I need to be able to easily pause recordings and playback sessions 
because i want to read stuff into the memo, like routes that i need to 
walk and i want to listen back to small pieces when i walk the route. 
Furthermore i want to easily be able to find the note i need so 
labelling would be nice.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: access note, is it worth it?

2013-02-02 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

If you want your place saved, don't use Review mode. And to do a find in the 
file, use Option-F with a Bluetooth keyboard, or Dot 8 with F on a braille 
display. For the braille display command to work, you have to turn contracted 
mode off. Use Space with G to toggle Contracted mode.

And you're right, notes are named note 1, note 2, etc. To rename, press 
Option-R or Dot 8-R from within the file. Again, contracted mode has to be off 
for this braille display command to work.

HTH,
Anna



On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:14 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 So the final test - for now - was droptext,  it did open the file,  I used 
 Vo's edit features to select all and copy;  went to access note, add, paste, 
 and backed out.  saved as Note1 I notice,  nothing to do with Moon facts, 
 the subject and content of the text.  Sync'd,  I found it in DB Ok.  Opened 
 again in Accessnote,  used  readonly or whatever it was called, read down a 
 bit,  backed out, did nothing for saving place.  Not found search,  or at 
 least, what if I didn't want to search all the files?
 
 So that's it, still don't seem to have achieved anything from before, and 
 the dearest app to date.
 
 R.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rose Waagan r...@chicksdigmacs.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:36 AM
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 
 So I've read this thread from start to finish. And while I've seen
 mention of alternatives to Access Note, no one has mentioned whether
 these alternatives have searching where Voiceover follows your cursor
 or proper cursor tracking. Thse things are really important to me when
 reviewing notes or studying for class. I rely on the search function
 heavily. I don't want to pay $20 for this app, But I'm honestly about
 to. Also, has anyone tested this app with larger documents? When I say
 larger documents, I'm speaking of documents which are longer than just
 a few pages. Perhaps 30 or more.
 
 On 2/1/13, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Anna, since I have a bt keyboard, and a Braillenote I think it probably is
 too, I just wanted a second opinion.
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 02 February 2013 00:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 
 I think it's worth the US$20 I paid. I wrote a detailed explanation of my
 reasoning on this list a couple of days ago, and I also put that review in
 the app store, so I imagine it's available there by now.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Anna, in your view, is it worth the £13.99, approx. $20 it costs in the
 UK?
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: 01 February 2013 23:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: access note, is it worth it?
 
 Hi,
 
 AccessNote is designed to work with VoiceOver, so yes, it's fully
 compatible
 with it.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 
 Is it fully, mostly, or partially VO compatible?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jim Noseworthy
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: access note, is it worth it?
 
 For those who may be interested in another cheeper alternative:
 
 Featured three times on Lifehacker.com as one of the best tools for
 getting
 things done!
 
 Nebulous Notes is a powerful, yet simple, text editor for note-takers,
 writers, and coders. Your notes are backed up and available from
 Dropbox,
 the best back-up service in the world. Free accounts on Dropbox come
 with
 2GB of space, enough to store 500 copies of Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace.
 
 Features
 .Open and edit all plain-text files (.txt, .md, .c, etc.)
 .Preview files in HTML, MarkDown
 .Supports saving and opening in all file encodings (useful for
 international
 users)
 .VoiceOver hints
 .Print documents using AirPrint
 .Supports TextExpander touch snippet expansion
 
 Features Lacking in Competing Apps
 .Save in Evernote
 .Open files from ANY Dropbox folder
 .Customizable themes
 .Macro system lets you add frequently used keys to a toolbar (like { } [
 ]
 =
 %, etc.).
 .Macro system also has basic text-substitutions for convenient HTML tags
 
 .Protect the app with a PIN
 .Search Dropbox or Search for text with a document
 .Full-screen support for Writeroom-style editing
 .Insert Tab key (multi-line tabbing and un-tabbing supported)
 .One-click access to Scratch Pad
 .One-click access to MarkDown preview
 .Turn off word-wrapping
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 

Re: New AFB App Helps People with Vision Loss Easily Take Notes on iPhoneR, iPadR, and iPod touchR

2013-02-02 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

For me, being able to search reliably and read a long document continuously 
without focus issues is worth it. I have wanted those features for a very long 
time and hadn't been able to find them in any other app I tried. Also, I love 
the fact that braille files look as they would on a notetaker; I have a 40-cell 
display, and braille formatted for a 40-cell display is formatted correctly 
when I read it in this app. saving my place in files is lovely as well.

Best,
Anna



On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:59 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Feel I am missing something here: I have successfully used the onboard 
 notes app for, I think, just about all of these functions. Sure, Search is 
 a feature lacking, but is that the only one? Can you use basic formatting 
 such as fonts etc with this app? As for returning to an note to append, I 
 never had a problem with that, just going into edit mode and control down 
 arrow, I think it is, upon hearing the bonk sound, I know where I am. Also, I 
 suppose, there isn't a proper tree structure for folders etc and that would 
 be useful. So, are these two the only advantages to this new app? I am not 
 knocking it, but I am knocking the price unless ,of course, I have completely 
 missed the salient points.
 
 Thanks in advance, Sandy. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 1 Feb 2013, at 23:31, Don  Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 FYI-
  
 From: AccessWorld [
 mailto:accesswo...@afb.net]
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:13 PM
 Subject: AccessNote Notetaker App Now Available in the App Store
  
 New American Foundation for the Blind App Helps People with Vision Loss 
 Easily Take Notes on iPhone®, iPad®, and iPod touch®
  
 New York (February 1, 2013)—For the millions of Americans with vision loss 
 looking for a simple, convenient way to take notes at work, at school, or at
 home, the American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) today launched the 
 AccessNote™, a specialized notetaker for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.
  
 “Apple products have earned high points from us for their out-of-the-box 
 accessibility for users who are blind or visually impaired,” said Carl R. 
 Augusto,
 AFB president and CEO. “We designed this app to complement the iPhone’s 
 other popular features, like web browsing and email, so that users who are 
 blind
 have all the tools they need in one, handy device.”
  
 A traditional notetaker is a portable electronic device that enables users 
 who are blind or visually impaired to take notes, create documents, and 
 access
 applications. These devices, extremely valuable for people who are blind or 
 visually impaired, usually provide either speech or braille output (or both).
 They retail for upwards of $2,000 and much more for those with a built-in 
 braille display; AFB’s AccessNote app is available for $19.99.
  
 In addition to being a low-cost alternative to traditional notetakers, 
 AccessNote allows users to combine efficient notetaking with many other 
 features
 and functions of the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. This allows people who 
 are blind or visually impaired to use the same popular devices that their 
 sighted
 peers are using in classroom or business settings.
  
 This is the first notetaking app developed and designed specifically for 
 users with vision loss. AFB evaluated many of the other available notetaking 
 apps,
 but found none to be very efficient or user-friendly to people who are blind 
 or visually impaired.
  
 What sets the AccessNote apart includes:
 · Seamless Navigation. Customized keyboard commands make notetaking more 
 intuitive and productive than ever before, including quick access to 
 important
 features like Search All Notes, Search Within a Note, as well as several 
 navigation options.
 · Automatic Saving. With an automatic save on every few keystrokes, notes 
 will never be lost.
 · Cursor tracking. When navigating among multiple sets of notes, users can 
 always pick up right where they left off.
 · Unparalleled Simplicity. With a clutter-free interface, users can create, 
 read, find, and sync, making it easier to spend more time with actual content
 and less time with tools.
 · DropBox Integration. All notes, always on hand. DropBox keeps AccessNote 
 in sync with the user’s desktop (and other devices) so their notes are always
 available and backed up.
 · Compatibility with Bluetooth keyboards. AccessNote is optimized for 
 efficiency with the Apple Wireless Keyboard and for today’s wireless braille 
 displays.
  
  
 AccessNote was developed in conjunction with FloCo Apps and is available on 
 the App Store(sm).
 
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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

2013-02-02 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

I believe it was the latest Accessible Devices podcast.

Best,
Anna



On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Hayri Tulumcu ha...@ka-net.dk wrote:

 and where can i find the interview?
 - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Information on how TapTapSee works
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I heard an interview with one of the developers, and yes, they're combining 
 machine search and crowd sourcing.
 
 Cheers,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Lauren, do you have a source for this information? I have a feeling crowd 
 sourcing may be used in some situations, however I'm also pretty confident, 
 because of the speed of some results, that it is using some of the same 
 object recognition database sources as Omoby and Vizwiz.
 
 Jonathan
 On 2/02/2013, at 10:14 AM, Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer app 
 works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store. This 
 TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In other 
 words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings responding. This 
 is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This also may explain 
 why only general descriptions of objects are provided such as black shoe, 
 $20, yellow blouse, Lysol wipes, etc. I'm not certain yet that any 
 sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case with bar 
 code scanners.
 
 Please try the following for best results:
 *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update 
 automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
 *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on 
 other side can send back their description
 *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture 
 to be recognized.
 *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring 
 camera a little closer.
 
 *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures of 
 rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there 
 recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time 
 describing meaningless things.
 
 Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I 
 thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.
 
 LS
 - Original Message - From: Barbara Wilson 
 barkingbabs1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
 No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of 
 identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
 
 I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few 
 of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a 
 class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
 
 Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles, 
 told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of 
 coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
 
 Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this 
 app is great.
 
 I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
 
 Barbara
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
 objects to start with?
 
 Carol P
 
 On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
 It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it 
 a try.
 
 Paul
 
 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
 far as visually impaired people are concerned?
 
 I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
 like to know why it's getting popular!
 
 Carol P
 
 On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
 Eileen and Paul,
 
 The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as 
 an automatic flash.
 
 Here's a link to it: 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
 
 Hope that helps,
 Dmitriy
 
 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com 
 wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Paul
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Eileen Misrahi
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
  Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
 
  Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
  Is seems
  that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
  repeat? All

Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the 
screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing.

Best,
Anna



On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
wrote:

 I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that 
 matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen 
 curtain on offers little protection.  People can still hear.  Voice Over 
 speech is clear enough for even the sighted to understand.  If I've got the 
 wrong end of it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is 
 any big deal worth bothering over.
 - Original Message -
 From: BrailleTouch
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM
 Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
 
 Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
 about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12
 
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 
 On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
  I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with 
  the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can 
  read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen 
  curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road.
 
  Bob Fenton
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
  I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
  phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
  the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
  phone on a flat surface to input.
 
  Kim
 
  On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
  I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
 
  Sent from my iPod
 
  On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
  Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
  but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try 
  the
  app before purchase is excellent.
 
  I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
  this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
  would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
  refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
  On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
  little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
  they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
  under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the 
  cell,
  but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
  refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
  the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
 
  I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
  there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
  find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
  devices.
 
  Congrats to the developers on the app.
 
  Jonathan
 
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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

2013-02-02 Thread Carol Pearson
I have also tried this app and the first time got a really good response of a 
white dog on a carpet. However, my second third and fourth responses were not 
at all. Other pictures stored on the iPhone, or do they disappear once you have 
the information?



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Feb 2013, at 11:49 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Lauren, I had a feeling that was how it did it, but wasn't sure. The problem
 I have though is that sometimes, you take a picture of something, and
 nothing happens. It doesn't tell you the image is being processed or
 anything
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Lauren Simmons
 Sent: 01 February 2013 21:15
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Information on how TapTapSee works
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer app 
 works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store. This 
 TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In other 
 words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings responding. This 
 is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This also may explain why
 
 only general descriptions of objects are provided such as black shoe, 
 $20, yellow blouse, Lysol wipes, etc. I'm not certain yet that any 
 sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case with bar 
 code scanners.
 
 Please try the following for best results:
 *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update 
 automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
 *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on 
 other side can send back their description
 *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture 
 to be recognized.
 *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring camera
 
 a little closer.
 
 *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures of 
 rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there 
 recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time 
 describing meaningless things.
 
 Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I 
 thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.
 
 LS
 - Original Message - 
 From: Barbara Wilson barkingbabs1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
 No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of 
 identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
 
 I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few
 
 of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a 
 class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
 
 Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles, 
 told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of 
 coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
 
 Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this 
 app is great.
 
 I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
 
 Barbara
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
 objects to start with?
 
 Carol P
 
 On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
 It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it 
 a try.
 
 Paul
 
 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
 far as visually impaired people are concerned?
 
 I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
 like to know why it's getting popular!
 
 Carol P
 
 On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
 Eileen and Paul,
 
 The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as 
 an automatic flash.
 
 Here's a link to it: 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
 
 Hope that helps,
 Dmitriy
 
 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com 
 wrote:
 
Hello,
 
No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
 
Thanks.
 
Paul
 
-Original Message-
From: Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
 
Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
Is seems
that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
repeat? All
suggestions are welcomed.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Eileen
 
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Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Karen Poulakos

I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by letter? 
I was searching for something like a clear text button, and didn't find one.


Karen P 


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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread Rick Alfaro
I would have to add my agreement with this as well.  I would definitely 
prefer a horizontal placement for the Braille input.  I did manage to 
get my head around the current method being used but the horizontal 
placement would be so much easier  to use IMHO.



Best,

Rick alfaro

On 2/1/2013 1:36 PM, Aman Singer wrote:

Hello, Jonathan and all.
I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to
allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally
across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on
the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there
doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the
right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than
happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the
ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even
more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed.
Aman

On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
phone on a flat surface to input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:

I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
the
app before purchase is excellent.

I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
you
would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
don't.
On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
cell,
but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
think
there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
devices.

Congrats to the developers on the app.

Jonathan

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Re: Mail bug Orveto bug?

2013-02-02 Thread Alan Paganelli
Did you look in all mail folders?  There is also an iCloud folder too.  I found 
a message in there the other day.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jenifer Barr 
  To: iPhone List 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 4:26 PM
  Subject: Mail bug Orveto bug?


  Hi all.
  I've noticed, with the new update, the new iOS update, the VO seems to be 
reading one more email message then there actually is. Meaning, if I have no 
unread messages in my mail, and I exit, the doc email app always says when new 
item. And, if I go back into my email, it has No unread messages. Meaning, the 
mail app always seems to think there is an unread message, but in all actually 
there isn't. Make sense? Or am I totally off my rocker!

  Jenifer Barr
  Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
Yes, you have to bring up the menu with a two finger swipe left, then single
flicks left until you get to clear text.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Poulakos
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by letter? 
I was searching for something like a clear text button, and didn't find one.

Karen P 

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread Rick Alfaro
I would like to see it as an option, maybe even switchable right from 
the BrailleTouch menu instead of in settings.



Best,

Rick alfaro

On 2/1/2013 4:02 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for 
horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat 
surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and when 
the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a 
proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the current 
arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch screen 
different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this option can be 
just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I would really not 
like it.

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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Regina Alvarado
Rebecca,
i am still looking for the most comfortable way to hold the phone, but on my 
chest holding the phone with thumbs on top and baby fingers on the bottom :is 
the easiest for me. Now your fingerS can be Put on the scr'een fairly closE 
together. most important is that you touch the screen lightly and keep index 
and ring fingers close to top and bottom. I find not lifting my fingerS very 
far off the screen gives best results. Others havving better coordInation can 
add much to help you, but just keep practicing! i am slowly getting better! 
Keep plugginG! It gets better, and grade 2 is only going to improve the app!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Rebecca Ilniski rilni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a 
 few questions.
 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the 
 hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully 
 but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the 
 alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get 
 this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist me 
 with a good description or even using skype or face time so that maybe 
 visually you can tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.  
 
 Rebecca and Zeb
 email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Karen,

Thanks. I'm glad you like BrailleTouch. There is a Clear Text button 
in the BrailleTouch menu. It is near the bottom, and is only visible if 
you have already typed text.


As a hint, the Start Typing or Resume Typing button is always 
anchored to the bottom of the menu screen. You can touch the bottom of 
the screen and then navigate from the bottom of the menu, if the menu 
option you want is further down the list.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:

I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
didn't find one.


Karen P


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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread David Chittenden
Yes, in the menu. Two finger swipe left. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

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 I'm really impressed with this app.
 
 Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by letter? I 
 was searching for something like a clear text button, and didn't find one.
 
 Karen P 
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BrailleTouch, horizontal placement? was RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
I put my six fingers on the screen of my iPod Touch 5th Generation and they
are tight together.
Same of course on the iPHone 5.
I don't have particularly large hands, but I would find that placement
really difficult.
If I was using a 4S, it would be impossible.

However, for those who can manage that orientation, it would be good to
offer that as an option, along with the current option of flipping dots a
and 3, etc.

JMO,
Richard


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Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

I would have to add my agreement with this as well.  I would definitely 
prefer a horizontal placement for the Braille input.  I did manage to 
get my head around the current method being used but the horizontal 
placement would be so much easier  to use IMHO.


Best,

Rick alfaro

On 2/1/2013 1:36 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
 Hello, Jonathan and all.
 I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to
 allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally
 across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on
 the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there
 doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the
 right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than
 happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the
 ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even
 more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed.
 Aman

 On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
 phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
 the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
 phone on a flat surface to input.

 Kim

 On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

 Sent from my iPod

 On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
release,
 but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
 the
 app before purchase is excellent.

 I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
think
 this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
 you
 would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
 refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
 don't.
 On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
 little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
 they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
 under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
 cell,
 but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
 refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
as
 the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

 I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
 think
 there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
I'd
 find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
 devices.

 Congrats to the developers on the app.

 Jonathan

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards that Work with Apple TV

2013-02-02 Thread Jonathan Mosen
I think for the majority of the time I'd still use the Remote app on my iPhone 
to control Apple TV, but for initial setup the Bluetooth keyboard is wonderful.

Jonathan
On 2/02/2013, at 6:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Les,
 
 I still had a Microsoft Bluetooth 6000 keyboard sitting around from when I
 had a Netbook and it paired just fine with the Apple TV.
 
 Also, as a side note, I first had my Apple Wireless keyboard paired with it
 and after I paired the Microsoft keyboard I did also notice that the Apple
 Wireless Keyboard was still paired and both worked at the same time. When I
 turned my iPhone's Bluetooth on I first had to forget the Apple keyboard on
 the Apple TV before it worked with my iPhone again.
 
 The Microsoft keyboard is actually even an inch and a half or so longer than
 the Apple keyboard, but at this point I don't really care about the size, I
 just really like using the keyboard since I don't have to point the remote
 in the direction of the Apple TV any more. F8 also works as Pause/Play just
 as on the iPhone and F7 and F9 do skip back/rewind and skip forward/fast
 forward, respectively. The space bar also seems to work for Play/Pause.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:45 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards that Work with Apple TV
 
 Hi Les, I paired the Apple keyboard with my Apple TV the other night and it
 worked well. Apparently, the original Apple wireless keyboard that was
 released in I think 2003 doesn't work, but the one that's been out for some
 years does.
 
 Bluetooth keyboards are an open standard, so really, anything with arrow
 keys, an Enter key and an Escape key will do the job fine. It certainly
 speeds things up when you're configuring a new Apple TV to be able to type
 your Apple ID, password and wifi key on a real keyboard.
 
 Due to its size, I'm thinking one of those Rii mini Bluetooth keyboards sold
 by Speeddots would be ideal to have by the Apple TV.
 
 Jonathan
 On 2/02/2013, at 2:00 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.  Any recommendations on wireless keyboards that
 will work with Apple TV?  I have the latest generation; my Apple Keyboard
 was designed for the iPad, so that won't work, thus the need for a keyboard.
 Thanks.
 
 Les
 
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Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch

2013-02-02 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some time 
ago. The convention now is not to do it.

Jonathan
On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:

 The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable 
 as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the 
 accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert 
 extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those 
 learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. 
 By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you 
 write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you 
 were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with 
 teaching braille formatting rules? 
 
 Just some more thoughts to consider. 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many 
 documents are written with just one space after the period.
 
 My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with 
 most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual 
 author.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 Hello everybody:
 
 there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need 
 to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille 
 it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as 
 well? Thank you.
 
 
 Typed with BrailleTouch
 
 
 Bob Fenton
 
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Re: still haven't gotten braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Regina Alvarado
Chris,
What does changing layout of the dots do? i don't want to change from the 
normal layout, just curious! Does it make the dots change as using a slate and 
stylus With 1, 2, 3 on the right? 

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Rebecca
 1. I suggest you get a silicon case as they provide an excellent grip for the 
 phone. At least they do to me. Prices start around £1 or the equivalent in 
 your country.
 2. You need to orientate the phone so that the home button is on the right 
 and the earpiece is on the left. Next try to imagine the dots as being 
 vertically arranged, rather than horizontally arranged, on the screen. So 
 dots 1, 2 and 3 are on the left half of the screen while dots 4, 5 and 6 are 
 on the right half. You may also want to try the flip dots 1-3, 4-6 setting, 
 which can be found in BrailleTouch, accessed in the main settings app on the 
 phone under the advanced heading.
 Good luck.
 Chris.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 02/02/2013 08:27, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:
 Hi everyone. I still haven't gotten the hang of braille touch.  here are a 
 few questions.
 1.  What kind of case do you find works best with the app?
 2.  I am wondering how you hold your phone as I've tried it both with the 
 hone button on the left as well as on the right. I can type a-h successfully 
 but once I get to the letter i I begin having trouble as picturing the 
 alignment of the dots has been difficult for me.  I'd like to be able to get 
 this thougb as I do love my braille. If there's a way someone could assist 
 me with a good description or even using skype or face time so that maybe 
 visually you can tell what I'm doing that would be ok too.
 
 Rebecca and Zeb
 email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Karen Poulakos
All I'm finding is Resume Typing, Set Email Subject, Send Text Message, 
Paste From Clipboard, and Copy To Clipboard.  I don't find anything to 
clear text.


Karen P
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch



Hi Karen,

Thanks. I'm glad you like BrailleTouch. There is a Clear Text button in 
the BrailleTouch menu. It is near the bottom, and is only visible if you 
have already typed text.


As a hint, the Start Typing or Resume Typing button is always anchored 
to the bottom of the menu screen. You can touch the bottom of the screen 
and then navigate from the bottom of the menu, if the menu option you want 
is further down the list.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:

I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
didn't find one.


Karen P


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RE: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Turner
Somehow, you are skipping over it.  It is before resume typing and after
Email.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Poulakos
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

All I'm finding is Resume Typing, Set Email Subject, Send Text Message,

Paste From Clipboard, and Copy To Clipboard.  I don't find anything to 
clear text.

Karen P
- Original Message - 
From: BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch


 Hi Karen,

 Thanks. I'm glad you like BrailleTouch. There is a Clear Text button in 
 the BrailleTouch menu. It is near the bottom, and is only visible if you 
 have already typed text.

 As a hint, the Start Typing or Resume Typing button is always anchored

 to the bottom of the menu screen. You can touch the bottom of the screen 
 and then navigate from the bottom of the menu, if the menu option you want

 is further down the list.

 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/

 On 2/2/2013 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:
 I'm really impressed with this app.

 Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
 letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
 didn't find one.

 Karen P

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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Regina Alvarado
Karen,
If you want to delete everything on the screen, flick to the left with two 
fingers to bring up the menu. Then flick through. There is a delete all in the 
menu.

Reggie and Brooks

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 I'm really impressed with this app.
 
 Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by letter? I 
 was searching for something like a clear text button, and didn't find one.
 
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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch
Hi Karen. Please try flicking  left and right to see all the options in 
the menu. It should be there. You should also see Send Email and Help.


If this does not work, please close the app and restart to see if that help.

Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 1:38 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:
All I'm finding is Resume Typing, Set Email Subject, Send Text 
Message, Paste From Clipboard, and Copy To Clipboard.  I don't 
find anything to clear text.


Karen P
- Original Message - From: BrailleTouch 
viph...@brailletouchapp.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch



Hi Karen,

Thanks. I'm glad you like BrailleTouch. There is a Clear Text 
button in the BrailleTouch menu. It is near the bottom, and is only 
visible if you have already typed text.


As a hint, the Start Typing or Resume Typing button is always 
anchored to the bottom of the menu screen. You can touch the bottom 
of the screen and then navigate from the bottom of the menu, if the 
menu option you want is further down the list.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:

I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
didn't find one.


Karen P


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Re: Information on how TapTapSee works

2013-02-02 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Dmitriy. Thanks for confirming what I suspected was happening.
Might  there be a way to force crowd sourcing in a future release? For example, 
I took a picture of a bottle of wine the other day. The object recognition 
engine came back with wine bottle. Well Dah. Lol. I'd really like to have 
been able to force a crowd source on the picture to see if I could get more 
specific.

Thanks for a great app.

Jonathan
On 2/02/2013, at 1:52 PM, Dmitriy Konopatskiy dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

 Alex,
 
 After you click to take a picture does the app say Picture 1 Take or any 
 other number for that matter?
 
 -Dmitriy
 
 On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 Lauren, I had a feeling that was how it did it, but wasn't sure. The problem
 I have though is that sometimes, you take a picture of something, and
 nothing happens. It doesn't tell you the image is being processed or
 anything
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Lauren Simmons
 Sent: 01 February 2013 21:15
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Information on how TapTapSee works
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think it is important we keep in mind how this free object recognizer app
 works. Its unfortunate that the details are not provided in app store. This
 TapTapSee app seems to work by employing a type of crowd sourcing. In other
 words, when you take a picture it is actually human beings responding. This
 is how it knows it is a dog or man on the picture. This also may explain why
 
 only general descriptions of objects are provided such as black shoe,
 $20, yellow blouse, Lysol wipes, etc. I'm not certain yet that any
 sort of database of known objects is employed as might be the case with bar
 code scanners.
 
 Please try the following for best results:
 *use under good lighting conditions. (I believe most current update
 automatically turns on flash if it is needed.)
 *try to take one picture at a time and give enough time so the person on
 other side can send back their description
 *Try placing eye of camera at center of object or what will be the picture
 to be recognized.
 *If too proximal to object then back off and if too distal then bring camera
 
 a little closer.
 
 *Personal suggestion: try not to get too picture happy and snap pictures of
 rocks, sand, or other frivolous objects as those individuals out there
 recognizing objects might feel as though they are wasting their time
 describing meaningless things.
 
 Sorry if I insult anyone by changing the subject field its just that I
 thought I would change it to accurate reflect the topic of this thread.
 
 LS
 - Original Message -
 From: Barbara Wilson barkingbabs1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
  No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
  identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
 
  I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few
 
  of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a
  class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
 
  Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles,
  told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of
  coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
 
  Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this
  app is great.
 
  I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
 
  Barbara
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Carol Pearson
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
  Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
  objects to start with?
 
  Carol P
 
  On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
  It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it
  a try.
 
  Paul
 
  -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
  What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
  far as visually impaired people are concerned?
 
  I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
  like to know why it's getting popular!
 
  Carol P
 
  On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
  Eileen and Paul,
 
  The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as
  an automatic flash.
 
  Here's a link to it:
  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
 
  Hope that helps,
  Dmitriy
 
  On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com
  wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Paul
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Eileen Misrahi
  Sent: Tuesday, January 

Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch

Hi Alan,
It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type 
with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in 
the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try 
it and see if it works for you.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added.  My experience 
is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the 
correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that 
gets tiring.  How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen 
facing up and the fingers forming a letter V.  The index fingers of 
both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining 
fingers forming the rest of the V.  Perhaps it could be called table 
top move and the normal way, hand-held.


- Original Message -
*From:* BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement

Hi Rob and everyone,
I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with
BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain
characters. Please let me know if this is helpful.

When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the
four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped
the
dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your
left
index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone
until you
find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen.  Then
type an
apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward
that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and
forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably
and reliably located your left hand.

Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right
index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring
finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and
the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position
for
your right hand.

I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to
BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain
characters
to work. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote:
 I think they're about half inch in,  but there's some slack so
absolute
 accuracy isn't critical;  but can't afford to  stray out of the
area. I'd
 like  our  favourite producer adviser to give some idea of
dimensions so we
 might get a better idea of finger spacing;  I think that could
betray us.
 Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button?

 Thanks, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH


 Sorry Jen, I misspoke.  I am not touching the all caps with my
little finger
 but my ring finger.  I am holding the phone with the screen away
from me and
 my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in
landscape.  What I
 need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far
do I put my
 Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait)
into the
 screen to be able to touch the dots.  Are they right above the
home button
 on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they
further
 into the screen?
 Reggie


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jennie Facer
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH

 Hi,

 First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table.
Act as if
 you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back
camera.  now, put
 your palms on each end of the phone.  now rest your fingers
vertically on
 the screen.  dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6
are your
 right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at
each end of
 the screen.

 Write me off list if I can be of more helpp.

 Jenn

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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Regina Alvarado
thanks Caleb. Much easier to navigate the menu by looking on the screen instead 
of flicking through.

I am still having the lagging problem, but turning Vo off and back on workS. 
However, a thought. I am running the newest upgrade on a 4s. I Upgraded over 
the air, not through iTunes. Could this be the problem? If that could be the 
problem, what can I do?

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:24 PM, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com wrote:

 Hi Karen,
 
 Thanks. I'm glad you like BrailleTouch. There is a Clear Text button in the 
 BrailleTouch menu. It is near the bottom, and is only visible if you have 
 already typed text.
 
 As a hint, the Start Typing or Resume Typing button is always anchored to 
 the bottom of the menu screen. You can touch the bottom of the screen and 
 then navigate from the bottom of the menu, if the menu option you want is 
 further down the list.
 
 Best,
 Caleb
 http://brailletouchapp.com/
 
 On 2/2/2013 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:
 I'm really impressed with this app.
 
 Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by letter? 
 I was searching for something like a clear text button, and didn't find one.
 
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Re: Repeating tap tap see results

2013-02-02 Thread Carol Pearson
So you're suggesting that someone sees the pictures and then they're all gone! 
You don't have two delete them and you can't keep them! Is that right?



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:27 PM, Barbara Wilson barkingbabs1...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of identifying 
 the object. You don't need to do anything else.
 
 I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a few of 
 the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out for a class of 
 students thinking of buying iPhones.
 
 Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner bottles, told 
 me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet, identified jar of coffee, 
 identified can of coke, read title of CD, and more.
 
 Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that this app 
 is great.
 
 I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
 
 Barbara
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 Where does its database come from?  Do you have to create one from
 objects to start with?
 
 Carol P
 
 On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
 It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give it a 
 try.
 
 Paul
 
 -Original Message- From: Carol Pearson
 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures, so
 far as visually impaired people are concerned?
 
 I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
 like to know why it's getting popular!
 
 Carol P
 
 On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
 Eileen and Paul,
 
 The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well as an 
 automatic flash.
 
 Here's a link to it: 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
 
 Hope that helps,
 Dmitriy
 
 On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8, paul.f...@insightbb.com 
 wrote:
 
Hello,
 
No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
 
Thanks.
 
Paul
 
-Original Message-
From: Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
 
 
 
Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
Is seems
that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
repeat? All
suggestions are welcomed.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Eileen
 
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Braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Patti Johnson
I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.
I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?
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Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread Karen Poulakos
Found It.  I have a tendency to not use the flick method, but just run my 
finger over the screen to find what I want.  That usually works.When I 
flicked, it was there, and finally appeared when I ran my finger over the 
screen.  Don't know where it was hiding before that..


Thanks.
Karen
- Original Message - 
From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting text in BrailleTouch



Karen,
If you want to delete everything on the screen, flick to the left with two 
fingers to bring up the menu. Then flick through. There is a delete all in 
the menu.


Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Karen Poulakos kpoula...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:



I'm really impressed with this app.

Is there a way to clear all text without having to delete letter by 
letter? I was searching for something like a clear text button, and 
didn't find one.


Karen P
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RE: Braille touch

2013-02-02 Thread Jennie Facer
You should be able to. Flick left, and there should be a start typing
button. If you can't find by flicking left, the flick right.

 

Jenn

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille touch

 

I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.

I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?

Patti

 

 

 

 

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Visual display on BrailleTouch

2013-02-02 Thread BrailleTouch
On the visual display of BrailleTouch when you are on the keyboard, it 
displays each character as you type it. It does not display the entire 
text you have written. The entire text is displayed on the menu screen 
visually, or at least as much of it as will fit in the case of long 
messages.


We are looking at adding editing capabilities to the braille keyboard in 
a future update. Grade 2 is still our top priority.


Thanks,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 11:55 AM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

No, i have not found the text on the screen either without going back into the 
menu, but what I would like to see is a way to fix the text before putting it 
in whatEveR you are writing for. Thanks for suggestion about finding the 
square. Helps!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:04 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type,  or I've
not found it there yet.  I flick into the menu to read it,  and tend to flip
the phone back to face me to do it;   though I can operate it quite well
without.  Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to
matter.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


Hi Bob,

You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned
about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:

I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with

the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
That could be an issue for me down the road.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com

wrote:

I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
phone on a flat surface to input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:

I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before

release,

but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try

the

app before purchase is excellent.

I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I

think

this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that

you

would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you

don't.

On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the

cell,

but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille

as

the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I

think

there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part

I'd

find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
devices.

Congrats to the developers on the app.

Jonathan

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