Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?
Forget cars and converters for a while. Jed's optimistic data plus world's Pd reserves (969.690.000 troy ounces) make a CF power of 0.64 TW- from some 13-16 TW necessary ( less than 5%) Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:25 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone even tried to replicate Preparata's configuration that he claims he successfully reproduced FIFTY TIMES??? On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I should add that I _did_ attempt to find Preparata's original paper online and was unable to do so. ICCF-6 Progress In New Hydrogen Energy, p. 136 Title: Everything you always wanted to know about cold fusion calorimetry ICCF6 was published by the NHE. The NHE does not like me. I doubt they would give me permission to upload it. I could maybe upload this one paper. I can't get permission from Preparata because he is deceased. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:I wish Krivit would come out of the closet pertaining to the WL theory
Excellent post! I wondered about Krivits behavior too. Some days ago I wanted to post a comment on one of his articles, where he started to repeat himself. I just wanted to show what I think of Rossi and his behavior (just to give a little IMHO reasonable counter weight to his article) and how all of this seems to work together. But my post was censored. However I got an email from Krivit saying that he wants me to retain my speculation because he doesn't want to add to the wild speculation. And then all those boring and repetitive recent articles... I mean, what does the closing of the school, where Rossi got his degree, have to do with LENR or Ecat? Yeah, of course I can see the connection, but it is not really relevant (at least to me) and sounds more like another way of simply wanting to bash Rossi (for whatever reason). And then currently those articles about again the failure of Rossis reactor on June 30th... Perhaps Krivit doesn't seem to have anything more what he can put up and just sees his ship sinking right now..? Wolf I just received another email alert from New Energy Times. The content of the email states: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Where Does the Energy Come From in LENR?* I received a question from a /New Energy Times/ reader a few days ago: What exactly is causing the energy to be produced in the LENR reaction according to the Widom-Larsen theory? Is it energy produced due to the transmutation of elements, or something else entirely? Click here to go to the article http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=7604970msgid=576748act=8PX2c=229442destination=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.newenergytimes.com%2F2012%2F01%2F12%2Fwhere-does-the-energy-come-from-in-lenr%2F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I wish Mr. Krivit would just come out of the closet and state for the record what kind of a relationship he has established with the Widom-Larsen camp is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with advocating for a particular group, cause, or theory. For example, the Pure Energy Systems web site makes it very clear that they have established a working business relationship with Andrea Rossi. PESN states: *Full Disclosure:* PES Network has a business relationship with Andrea Rossi. Readers can then take such disclosures into account when they read information posted at such web sites. Often, the information posted, slanted it may be, can still be high quality. There is also the implication that such web sites may also have firsthand knowledge pertaining to their favorite subject that may not necessarily be available to the rest of the population or news sources. IOW, there can be advantages to making it clear to readers that such web sites have established themselves as an advocate outlet. However, Krivit seems to be attempting to give readers the impression that NET is an impartial news service. To that end I suspect there are few within the Vort Collective that perceive NET as behaving as if it's an impartial news service, particularly when it comes to cold fusion news. Krivit has relentlessly promoted the Widom-Laren theory above all other theories. The fact that Krivit supports the Widom-Larsen theory doesn't bother me. Why shouldn't the Widom-Larsen camp have a few supporters of their own, advertising the theory's alleged advantages. What bothers me is that apparently in order to enhance the perceived credibility of the Widom-Larsen theory Krivit has felt the need to attack the credentials of prominent CF researchers who are not in the Widom-Larsen camp. Krivit has also attacked Andrea Rossi, claiming the Italian inventor is a fraud. Some of the evidence Krivit recently presented in regards to Rossi was incredibly shoddy, such as when Krivit quoted verbatim a conversation he had with Rossi last year when he personally visited him. Krivit quoted Rossi's halting English speech patterns verbatim in an attempt to insinuate to gullible readers that the Italian lacks clarity in his thinking processes. That was an incredibly stupid thing for Krivit to have posted out on NET. It really drove home to me what lengths Krivit was willing to go to in order to find fault in those he perceives as the opposition, or perhaps even as the enemy. Meanwhile, Krivit has claimed that he would stop promoting the widom-larsen theory if he learned of new information that would suggest there is a better theory out there. However, based on the fact that Krivit has refused to listen to advice from credible experts who have serious reservations about the Widom-Larsen theory, and the fact that Krivit was willing to perform incredibly cheap posting theatrics to make others, like Rossi, look feeble minded, I don't believe Krivit's sincerity one bit. Not one bit at all. I just wish Krivit would simply come out of the closet state for the record what is
Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)
I am a little bit surprised to see such comments... The technologygateway is not intended for scientists or for details on science which is going on at NASA. It is for showing the / a broader public what NASA is doing. It's a kind of advertisement place for NASA to a broader public! This is, why there are no details in the video (for this, see also the quote of Zawodny at the end of Krivits recent article http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/13/lenr-gold-rush-begins-at-nasa/). And this is also why there are subtitles: Deaf people really have problems in understanding what is being said in the video. The reason, why this is a breakthrough, is not because of technical details or new inventions, but because NASA is so sure of LENR that they are willing to publicly stand behind LENR and defend it (and I don't mean public in the sense of let some scientists and the community know this might be real but let average Joe know this is real!)! There is no other organization of this weight and with this reputation which is doing that at the moment! (and there aren't many organizations in the world with this reputation at all, perhaps MIT / Stanford and some others, although wasn't it MIT which discredited the FPE back in 89?). Wolf You can reach the video from here: http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/and it's headlined like this Feature Stories: NASA's Method for a Clean Nuclear Energy For Your Power Operated Technology This is, well... sort of weird. I wonder if anyone in NASA's PR department or higher management has seen it. First of all, the production values are lousy. It looks as if it was shot with a cheap web cam. It features Zawodny who is mostly out of focus during his strange, hesitant talk which is hard enough to understand, it's subtitled!They talk about an un-named fuel of some sort which is unchanged in mass by the reaction which is basically unexplained. They don't say where the excess heat is from. They keep referring to this fuel as it. And they only say somehow carbon, nickel and hydrogen are involved. The rest is the usual obvious and irrelevant comments about how inexpensive thermal energy can be used. Everybody already knows that. As Angus wrote on the Moletrap forum: Oh goodie. Another we're looking at it, and if we can get it to work it could heat your house and do other wonderful things video. There's nothing new about the idea of using surface plasmons to bung neutrons into atomic nuclei. NASA has been looking at it since 2005 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006cmns...12..156C. So far nobody's house is getting heated. I might add nobody has made a cup of tea with it either. Craig Brown, still, amazingly enough, a Steorn believer, is promoting this clip as a breakthrough. It's nothing of the kind. There is no real theory presented, there is no experiment, and there are no results. I am disappointed that NASA would air such a contentless clip. I have no idea what they're thinking.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old. On 12 January 2012 23:56, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
Also if it is just an extra dose of powder: How do you contain the vacuum..? What kind of cheap and save mechanism could it be to contain the vacuum? Or to create a new one after refueling? Or will the reactor core completely be replaced and recycled in a factory? Wolf At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old. On 12 January 2012 23:56, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
You probably don't need a vacuum as the system normally runs pressurised. After you have replaced the powder pressurise it with hydrogen and then vent it. Repeat this several times and there will be almost no air left in it. If the powder has been processed correctly beforehand then a short exposure to the atmosphere at room temperature will probably not make much difference to it chemically, any surface oxidation that does occur will quickly be reduced by exposure to hydrogen at high temperature. I got the impression from Rossi's demos that he wasn't being very careful about preventing the powder from being exposed to atmosphere, and wasn't using a vacuum pump. On 13 January 2012 10:25, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Also if it is just an extra dose of powder: How do you contain the vacuum..? What kind of cheap and save mechanism could it be to contain the vacuum? Or to create a new one after refueling? Or will the reactor core completely be replaced and recycled in a factory? Wolf At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old. On 12 January 2012 23:56, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
RE: [Vo]: Mock paper... NOT!
I've gone thru just about all of Volume 1 of Santilli's 'Il Grande Grido'... all 450+ pages. Quite interesting... it is a collection of all the correspondence between Santilli and various universities, nat'l labs, and scientists, from ~1977 to '83. Thankfully, not many equations! :-) Santilli is basically saying that there is no real evidence that quarks are point-particles. Quarks are the subatomic 'particles' which make up hadrons which are 'composite' particles (e.g., protons and neutrons). His work on applying Lie-admissible algebras to the internal structure of hadrons was at first considered 'epoch-making'... but his escalating efforts to try to get the hadron theoretical community to take it seriously began to rub people the wrong way and he became an outcast. He then established the Hadronic Journal to allow physicists, mathematicians and other scientists an outlet for their work on hadrons. According to him, his and others' theoretical work regarding the applicability of Special Relativity, Pauli Exclusion and Heisenberg's uncertainty, which are applied and have considerable empirical support for electromagnetic forces, have little or no unambiguous evidence that they can be applied to the strong force (within hadrons). In addition, apparently, several mathematicians have proven that there are some serious problems when trying to apply those laws to structures inside of hadrons. Fran and Jones: FYI, I believe I also read in one of the letters that these problems also apply to the Casimir force... What's interesting here is that *IF* the testing of his hadronic reactor (which started this thread thanks to Harry Veeder) is accurate, and two independent labs apparently confirmed what Santilli was expecting, then he may have not only proved that his theoretical model for hadrons is more accurate, but also achieved the equivalent of LENR. In which case, Rossi and all other LENR researchers are working with an inferior model of the nucleus! Geez, just when you thought times couldn't get any more interesting... -Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mock paper Well, at least Santilli is a degreed physicist with considerable credentials from places like MIT and Harvard; the following Bio is from his Wikipedia page: = Santilli studied physics at the University of Naples and went on to attend the Graduate School in Physics of the University of Turin, graduating in 1966. While studying for his Ph.D., Santilli was granted the Chair in Nuclear Physics at the Avogardo Technical Institute in Turin, Italy. In 1967 he was invited by the University of Miami to conduct research under NASA financial support. Starting in 1968, Santilli was an Associate Professor of Physics at Boston University, teaching physics and mathematics and conducted research for the United States Air Force. During this time, he became a naturalized American citizen. In August 1974 to August 1977, Santilli was a visiting scholar at the Center for Theoretical Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. From September 1977 to August 1981, he was a visiting scholar at the Department of Mathematics, Harvard University under Department of Energy funding jointly with Shlomo Sternberg. = -Mark -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mock paper If this is true then don't you think Santilli's claims are even more extravagant (to use one of M. Y.' s favorite adjectives) than Rossi's claims? harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Did a quick read of entire paper... Santilli has been around quite awhile, and is a Ph.D. physicist; check out the Wikipedia page on him. The paper is describing his recent tests with his 'hadronic reactor', which is based on his own theories. Apparently, two independent labs were used to analyze the elemental composition of the electrodes before and after each test, and the content of the gases used inside, before and after. Both electrode and gas showed the expected elemental changes. The reactor produce considerable heat which is used to produce steam. In one test, heat production was so intense that it had to be shut down after only a few seconds; or it might have tripped a pressure relief valve first and then was shut down. He is claiming nuclear reactions with no harmful radiation... -Mark -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mock paper Would someone tell me if this a sincere paper? Perhaps I have grown cynical over the last year, because of Rossi's dismissal of scientific
[Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
On Rossi's JONP - http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-169012 Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2012 at 3:03 AM Dear Albert Ellul: Thank you. The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters. Warm Regards, A.R. The price is really tumbling now.
[Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: You mean he wants to get a tax credit? No, there are altruistic people in the world. T
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field magnetic fields which arise from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal toroidal polarization of their http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital electron orbitals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 [15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22 [23]. These include suing several journals, including http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Dera Mark, after so many years the memories are nor unpleasant, just interesting. His model had no success but he has his supporters. His magnecules are not used anywhere, as far as I know. He is (was) (could be) a very nice person..Cultured. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, **IF** he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? ** ** His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: ** ** http://www.scientificethics.org ** ** particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? ** ** I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: ** ** See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was* *** very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. ** ** Peter ** ** On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill ** ** Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 ** ** Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, ** ** Did he sue Horace? ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
I don't know his model. But the idea is extremely similar to Horace's... 2012/1/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dera Mark, after so many years the memories are nor unpleasant, just interesting. His model had no success but he has his supporters. His magnecules are not used anywhere, as far as I know. He is (was) (could be) a very nice person..Cultured. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, **IF** he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? ** ** His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: ** ** http://www.scientificethics.org ** ** particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? ** ** I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: ** ** See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. ** ** Peter ** ** On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill ** ** Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 ** ** Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, ** ** Did he sue Horace? ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
His model is on his website and in many other Web places . Horace can answer you re this similarity issue. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know his model. But the idea is extremely similar to Horace's... 2012/1/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dera Mark, after so many years the memories are nor unpleasant, just interesting. His model had no success but he has his supporters. His magnecules are not used anywhere, as far as I know. He is (was) (could be) a very nice person..Cultured. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, **IF** he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? ** ** His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: ** ** http://www.scientificethics.org ** ** particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? ** ** I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: ** ** See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli *** * A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. ** ** Peter ** ** On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill ** ** Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 ** ** Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, ** ** Did he sue Horace? ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
The requirement that a certified service technician be required to refill the fuel supply every 6 months has been a large burden. This announcement is welcome and will ensure that the ECATs become widely accepted. The news keeps getting better all the time. I am not sure that there are any serious issues left to resolve at this point except maybe for the power-up and power-down times. And of course, it would be wonderful if the devices could be miniturized. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill How he has managed to do this will be very interesting to see. I can nly imagine the whole sealed reactor assembly must be replaced and then ecycled. The mentioned $10 does seem to be way too low a price unless he sealed reactor is a throw away item (throw away into the recycle rash bin). Maybe like a dead D cell battery? AG n 1/13/2012 10:26 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 03:46 PM 1/12/2012, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It must be an integrated Nickel+Hydrogen cartridge.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA
On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 12:33 -0800, Bill Traweek wrote: I notice that on slide 11 they used a Hydrogen purification system as a proxy for PF's electrolytic cell. I also notice that the Palladium membrane is heated with a heater. I wonder if Rossi's heater is for a related purpose to the process. http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf This message you posted to Vortex has a 'reply-to' field to you, and not to Vortex. Other responses may not have come to the list. I haven't heard of a hydrogen purifier being used before. From the description, it appears as if the purifier is simply a substitute for a palladium electrolytic cell, meaning that as a consequence of purifying hydrogen or deuterium with this purifier, you end up with a loaded palladium lattice. They then add deuterium gas at high pressure, and subsequently see the Pons-Fleishmann effect. McKubre noted back in the 90s that the Pons-Fleishmann effect can be directly correlated to the degree to which the palladium lattice is loaded. Compared to hydrogen gas as the experimental control: 15°C increase in purifier temperature consistently seen with D2 that was not seen with the H2 control when gasses were unloaded from the purifier. Craig
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
I agree. This changes things significantly. It will be interesting to see how this is achieved. It's simple enough to change a cartridge with the nickel powder but how is the hydrogen taken care of? Perhaps the whole reactor core including the hydrogen storage is built into some sort of cartridge which then gets returned to the supplier for refilling / recycling much like gas cylinders. On 13/01/12 14:41, David Roberson wrote: The requirement that a certified service technicianbe required to refill the fuel supply every 6 months has been a large burden. This announcement is welcome and will ensure that the ECATs become widely accepted. The news keeps getting better all the time. I am not sure that there are any serious issues left to resolve at this point except maybe for the power-up and power-down times. And of course, it would be wonderful if the devices could be miniturized. Dave
[Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website
Ed Storms, Akira Shirakawa and others have suggested I update the look and feel of the LENR-CANR.org website. In particular, the library indexes are badly out of data and useless. I was thinking of doing this a few years ago but a large organization said they might take over the maintenance of the site, so I put it off. I have not heard from them lately so I guess that's on hold. Anyway, I've been thinking about doing this. The actual work is trivial because the website is simple. I could do it in a week. It would save me time and prevent errors if someone who knows about modern rituals would assist. I could pay a consultant but it am a cheapskate and this is a volunteer effort anyway so I don't feel like paying. Please contact me by direct e-mail if you're interested in assisting. This is off topic here, but let me briefly what I have in mind. LOOK FEEL Converting the screens to a modern look should take a week. It could use some reorganization along the way. I welcome any suggestions. The thing about the look and feel is, I do not like the way modern websites look so I have not bothered to do it. I have no strong opinion about this, but changing it seems pointless. If someone who likes modern web design would be willing to lend a hand and get me started I would be happy to finish up. I do not want to burden it with pop-ups or lots of graphic images. Akira suggested I look at Wordpress instead of HTML editors. I see it has some advantages but it seems more suited to blog-style web pages than a library. I use Namo Webeditor 9. That is a creaky, unfriendly old program. LENR-CANR.org pages is so rudimentary I often just edit the HTML directly by hand. INDEXES In the present version of LENR-CANR.org the indexes are crude, static HTML code. The obvious way to do this is with SQL. When we started, the ISP did not even offer an online utility SQL. Later we moved to ISPs that offer this kind of thing but it cost a lot of money. So I never bothered to convert. Now that MySQL and PostgreSQL are free, I might as well use SQL instead of my home-grown indexes. I downloaded the manual. Relational databases have no changed much since the 1980s. This is simple database with only 3000 items so it is a piece of cake. I tested the PostgreSQL at our ISP, which is Jumpline.com. There is nothing to it. I can reformat the database into their import format and make the one-to-many links and whatnot. The problem is, Namo Webeditor 9 does not want to talk to Jumpline's SQL utilities. Maybe I just can't figure out the right parameters. Companies such as Jumpline and Namo offer no help for things like that. I have been poking around with Wavemaker.com and some other SQL utilities. I do not like the idea of using two different programs to maintain the website. Perhaps someone can recommend an integrated solution? One program that does it all and works with the latest version of PostgreSQL? I don't mind paying for a program. I am not that much of a cheapskate! I do not want any Microsoft web programs such as Frontpage. I am allergic to Microsoft. Frontpage was a nightmare to work with. It generated outrageously bloated HTML with lots of nonfunctional stuff. I mean stuff like HTML that does not display! You wonder how they managed to do that. HTML is an idiotic standard in many ways. It has lots of ad hoc stuff lying around. But it is simple and relatively foolproof. How do you manage to crank out HTML code that flies off the screen or makes the background the same as the foreground?!? It takes a kind of genius. I have to convert Word files to HTML sometimes, for the abstracts in the database. I ended up writing a Pascal program to clean out the garbage. I see that Frontpage has been replaced with Microsoft Expression. Probably just as bad. As I said, contact me directly if you would like to assist. For free. Bearing in mind that virtue is its own reward. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
I've been thinking about this a little more and am starting to wonder how Rossi is able to achieve such a low price. At $500 for 10kW, that's way lower than any conventional boiler that I know of. I'd image the actual process of machining and automated assembly, of the unit can be kept quite low with the volumes Rossi is talking about but what about the instrumentation and control costs? I would have thought that they would be a significant cost in the production of the unit. NI must have come up with some smart and economical ways for performing the monitoring and control of the device. I would also hope that each device is tested before being packaged for shipping which must involve some manual labour and so would account for a significant portion of the device's production cost. There is also the industrial design aspect. Rossi must have come up with some sort of design for an enclosure for the unit which must be cheap to manufacture and easy to remove for refuelling. On 13/01/12 10:53, Energy Liberator wrote: On Rossi's JONP - http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-169012 Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2012 at 3:03 AM Dear Albert Ellul: Thank you. The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters. Warm Regards, A.R. The price is really tumbling now.
RE: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA
-Original Message- From: Craig Haynie McKubre noted back in the 90s that the Pons-Fleishmann effect [deuterium] can be directly correlated to the degree to which the palladium lattice is loaded [with deuterium]. Compared to hydrogen gas as the experimental control: 15°C increase in purifier temperature consistently seen with D2 that was not seen with the H2 control when gasses were unloaded from the purifier. Yes, this raises a number of continually neglected, or misinterpreted points. Is there a rationale underlying the apparent conflicts below ? To summarize most (but not all) experiments using different metals and either Ni, Pd, or alloys with either protium or deuterium: 1) Palladium works well with deuterium, but not with hydrogen. Does not need to be nano, but micro cracking helps. Hydrogen has been used as a control. 2) Nickel alone works slightly, or not at all, with either D or H, but when reduced to nano works better with hydrogen than deuterium. 3) Nickel when used with a catalyst (Thermacore) works well with hydrogen, even when non-nano. Deuterium was not tried AFAIK. Thermacore reported about double the heat per unit of surface area that Rossi reports. 3) Nickel can be both alloyed, especially with copper, and reduced to nano and THEN will work MUCH better with hydrogen than deuterium. Rossi claims to quench the reaction with deuterium. These findings are not necessarily in conflict when you consider the vast differences in physical properties between deuterium and hydrogen. Otherwise, palladium and nickel are very similar in properties - and the vastly increased surface area of nano makes a huge difference with nickel. This may indicate that Ni-H reactions are surface reactions, where as Pd-D is not as dependent on maximized surface, but it helps. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. It was awful. One of the many trials and tribulations Gene had to bear. I don't know much about it. I have never encountered Santilli. Never heard from him. I hope I never do! He has not sent me a paper for LENR-CANR.org. I wouldn't think of responding or uploading it if he did! He's crazy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
Just because the price is so low per kilowatt doesn't mean that you can buy it per kilowatt. I imagine that that's the price for the big ones, and the smaller ones are more expensive. Joe -- Dr Joe Karthauser On 13 Jan 2012, at 15:28, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about this a little more and am starting to wonder how Rossi is able to achieve such a low price. At $500 for 10kW, that's way lower than any conventional boiler that I know of. I'd image the actual process of machining and automated assembly, of the unit can be kept quite low with the volumes Rossi is talking about but what about the instrumentation and control costs? I would have thought that they would be a significant cost in the production of the unit. NI must have come up with some smart and economical ways for performing the monitoring and control of the device. I would also hope that each device is tested before being packaged for shipping which must involve some manual labour and so would account for a significant portion of the device's production cost. There is also the industrial design aspect. Rossi must have come up with some sort of design for an enclosure for the unit which must be cheap to manufacture and easy to remove for refuelling. On 13/01/12 10:53, Energy Liberator wrote: On Rossi's JONP - http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-169012 Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2012 at 3:03 AM Dear Albert Ellul: Thank you. The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters. Warm Regards, A.R. The price is really tumbling now.
Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website
Hi Jed, I think, what you are looking for, is a Content Management System (CMS), e.g. Joomla http://www.joomla.org/, which is free and seems to have a nice and big community. Once you have a layout (there are also websites which provide free standard and minimalistic layouts), you can easily add new components and edit everything directly from within your webpage. So you wouldn't need to install a separated program on your computer but you can do everything from within any web browser. There is, e.g., the following component http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/living/education-a-culture/books-a-libraries/14935?qh=YTo0OntpOjA7czo3OiJsaWJyYXJ5IjtpOjE7czo5OiJsaWJyYXJpZXMiO2k6MjtzOjk6ImxpYnJhcnknLiI7aTozO3M6OToibGlicmFyeSdzIjt9 which seems to allow you to manage your own private or public library, which could be especially useful in your case..? What your provider must offer in this case is PHP and MySQL support. Then the rest shouldn't be too difficult, I think / hope (however I am no expert on CMSs). Wolf Ed Storms, Akira Shirakawa and others have suggested I update the look and feel of the LENR-CANR.org website. In particular, the library indexes are badly out of data and useless. I was thinking of doing this a few years ago but a large organization said they might take over the maintenance of the site, so I put it off. I have not heard from them lately so I guess that's on hold. Anyway, I've been thinking about doing this. The actual work is trivial because the website is simple. I could do it in a week. It would save me time and prevent errors if someone who knows about modern rituals would assist. I could pay a consultant but it am a cheapskate and this is a volunteer effort anyway so I don't feel like paying. Please contact me by direct e-mail if you're interested in assisting. This is off topic here, but let me briefly what I have in mind. LOOK FEEL Converting the screens to a modern look should take a week. It could use some reorganization along the way. I welcome any suggestions. The thing about the look and feel is, I do not like the way modern websites look so I have not bothered to do it. I have no strong opinion about this, but changing it seems pointless. If someone who likes modern web design would be willing to lend a hand and get me started I would be happy to finish up. I do not want to burden it with pop-ups or lots of graphic images. Akira suggested I look at Wordpress instead of HTML editors. I see it has some advantages but it seems more suited to blog-style web pages than a library. I use Namo Webeditor 9. That is a creaky, unfriendly old program. LENR-CANR.org pages is so rudimentary I often just edit the HTML directly by hand. INDEXES In the present version of LENR-CANR.org the indexes are crude, static HTML code. The obvious way to do this is with SQL. When we started, the ISP did not even offer an online utility SQL. Later we moved to ISPs that offer this kind of thing but it cost a lot of money. So I never bothered to convert. Now that MySQL and PostgreSQL are free, I might as well use SQL instead of my home-grown indexes. I downloaded the manual. Relational databases have no changed much since the 1980s. This is simple database with only 3000 items so it is a piece of cake. I tested the PostgreSQL at our ISP, which is Jumpline.com. There is nothing to it. I can reformat the database into their import format and make the one-to-many links and whatnot. The problem is, Namo Webeditor 9 does not want to talk to Jumpline's SQL utilities. Maybe I just can't figure out the right parameters. Companies such as Jumpline and Namo offer no help for things like that. I have been poking around with Wavemaker.com and some other SQL utilities. I do not like the idea of using two different programs to maintain the website. Perhaps someone can recommend an integrated solution? One program that does it all and works with the latest version of PostgreSQL? I don't mind paying for a program. I am not that much of a cheapskate! I do not want any Microsoft web programs such as Frontpage. I am allergic to Microsoft. Frontpage was a nightmare to work with. It generated outrageously bloated HTML with lots of nonfunctional stuff. I mean stuff like HTML that does not display! You wonder how they managed to do that. HTML is an idiotic standard in many ways. It has lots of ad hoc stuff lying around. But it is simple and relatively foolproof. How do you manage to crank out HTML code that flies off the screen or makes the background the same as the foreground?!? It takes a kind of genius. I have to convert Word files to HTML sometimes, for the abstracts in the database. I ended up writing a Pascal program to clean out the garbage. I see that Frontpage has been replaced with Microsoft Expression. Probably just as bad. As I said, contact me directly if you would like to assist. For free. Bearing in mind that virtue is
Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website
I wrote: In particular, the library indexes are badly out of data and useless. Out of DATE and also DATA. I would like to add papers which appear only in collections. I would add the file name plus page number. Acrobat can supposedly jump to a page. That feature only seems to work with the Acrobat reader hosted by Google Chrome. The actual work is trivial because the website is simple. I could do it in a week. It would save me time and prevent errors if someone who knows about modern rituals would assist. Rituals?!? I have no idea what that was supposed to say. Sometimes voice input throws you for a loop. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
My understanding is that the low price per kilowatt only applies to the domestic e-cat which are 10kW. The e-cats in the 1MW plant use a different reactor and are more expensive at $1500/kW. On 13/01/12 15:46, Dr Joe Karthauser wrote: Just because the price is so low per kilowatt doesn't mean that you can buy it per kilowatt. I imagine that that's the price for the big ones, and the smaller ones are more expensive. Joe -- Dr Joe Karthauser On 13 Jan 2012, at 15:28, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about this a little more and am starting to wonder how Rossi is able to achieve such a low price. At $500 for 10kW, that's way lower than any conventional boiler that I know of. I'd image the actual process of machining and automated assembly, of the unit can be kept quite low with the volumes Rossi is talking about but what about the instrumentation and control costs? I would have thought that they would be a significant cost in the production of the unit. NI must have come up with some smart and economical ways for performing the monitoring and control of the device. I would also hope that each device is tested before being packaged for shipping which must involve some manual labour and so would account for a significant portion of the device's production cost. There is also the industrial design aspect. Rossi must have come up with some sort of design for an enclosure for the unit which must be cheap to manufacture and easy to remove for refuelling.
Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website
Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I think, what you are looking for, is a Content Management System (CMS), e.g. Joomla http://www.joomla.org/, which is free and seems to have a nice and big community. Yup. That's the sort of thing I have in mind. Free is good. Thanks for the pointer. I should say thanks to Akira as well, for assistance and suggestions. I do not understand how all this great software can be free, such as this program, Wavemaker and Wordpress. - Jed
RE:[Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)
The underlying posit of this video is that NASA believes Enhancement of Surface Plasmon Polaritons will initiate and sustain LENR in metal hydride systems. I have followed Plasmon articles as they relate to translating the laser width through an aperture of reducing geometry to produce a lithographic mask capable of dimensions smaller than the lasers wavelength. I know the propagation speed of plasmons is different than the original laser making me suspect a Frank Z kind of possibility exploiting the difference in propagation but I never suspected a connection to LENR, Casimir effect or surface effects. After consideration I can envision where this is just another aspect of the same anomaly -perhaps the suppression some of us believe responsible for fractional or Rydberg states initiates in these surface layers of plasmons on the bounding geometries [mirrors]? This would mean the effects are based on the same quantum phenomena. Fran -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:16 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion) video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion) http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: The price is really tumbling now. If I didn't have one to sell, I'd offer it to you cheap too. Just saying... nobody who has ever talked about it has ever bought an E-cat from Rossi .
[Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
HAS ANYONE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO REPLICATE PREPARATA? Citing Preparata, Guiliano, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Cold Fusion Calorimetry, (ICCF-6, vol 1, October 13-18, 1996), p. 136 Excess Heat by Charles Beaudette, 2000 edition, p 207: Preparata ...claims to have obtained *100% reliability* in building Fleischmann and Pons types of cells. (emphasis JAB) The same [result] was observed in the about *fifty similar experiments*that we have conducted. (emphasis JAB)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Yes it is a BIG change. The reactor design must be VERY different. It is a good development. Go Rossi Go. It is just one more extravagant claim without one tiny shred of proof.
Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website
Jed, If you need help I am willing to contribute. Some suggestions that take into account that you are a programmer: 0. Use as much as possible Free Software. It allows you to scale in terms of costs easily and you can fix it. 1. Stick on PostgreSQL you will find that is powerful even in full text search http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/textsearch.html. 2. Publish RSS feeds on news for third parties. 3. Allow comments by (possibly authenticated) visitors. 4. Integration with twitter, fb and other social networks. 5. Use djvu (djvu.org) for scanned document. 6. Use web2py (http://www.web2py.com) as framework it is easy, productive and robust* * Totally free software, but I warn you I have some stakes on this since I am one of the contributor of this software. Please note that everything I listed is editor (as a program) agnostic. mic 2012/1/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I think, what you are looking for, is a Content Management System (CMS), e.g. Joomla http://www.joomla.org/, which is free and seems to have a nice and big community. Yup. That's the sort of thing I have in mind. Free is good. Thanks for the pointer. I should say thanks to Akira as well, for assistance and suggestions. I do not understand how all this great software can be free, such as this program, Wavemaker and Wordpress. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)
thanks for correcting our interpretation. This video is ok for a non scientific audience in media... make dream, give few data... OK. BTW I also make a mismatch between this new advertising video, and the paper that seems (maybe I'm amnesic) to apear recently on the captor page, in the LENR paragraph... 2012/1/13 Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de I am a little bit surprised to see such comments... The technologygateway is not intended for scientists or for details on science which is going on at NASA. It is for showing the / a broader public what NASA is doing. It's a kind of advertisement place for NASA to a broader public! ... Wolf
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
Hum, seems hard to do. my point of view is that maybe it will be replacing the full core, with Ni, H, primary cooling, and maybe electronic... once shutdown, the reactor will be simply plumbed/pluged-out like a printer cartridge... it can also look like the modern anti-stealing autoradio, where most of intelligence and price is removable. 2012/1/13 Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com At a minimum a replaceable cartridge needs to have an additional supply of hydrogen - and that means a sealable connection (not something you would necessarily trust a muppet consumer with - a lot of people don't even know how to tighten a nut. Also if we are to believe recent speculation about RF excitation that that would need to be delivered to the inside of the cartridge somehow. My speculation is that it is just the addition of an extra dose of powder through a sealable port into an oversized reaction chamber - the old powder may be somewhat inert but the new powder's activity isn't hampered by the presence of the old.
RE: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
Yes, we're home. Yawn. Why should it be a surprise, if the answer is no? Others have reported excellent results, maybe not 100% but very good - and researchers in major labs or Universities took no notice. After all, they are sooo busy, busy, busy that they cannot look-up from figuring out how to waste billions trying to find that bogus boson (which they have labeled as divine) ... Plus, this LENR stuff is pathological science isn't it? Even if someone in the fizzix establishment did take notice, why would they replicate Pd-D which has so little chance of commercialization, due to the thousand-fold higher cost of the reactants, instead of Ni-D which does have a chance? Jones From: James Bowery HAS ANYONE EVEN ATTEMPTED TO REPLICATE PREPARATA? Citing Preparata, Guiliano, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Cold Fusion Calorimetry, (ICCF-6, vol 1, October 13-18, 1996), p. 136 Excess Heat by Charles Beaudette, 2000 edition, p 207: Preparata ...claims to have obtained 100% reliability in building Fleischmann and Pons types of cells. (emphasis JAB) The same [result] was observed in the about fifty similar experiments that we have conducted. (emphasis JAB) attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yes, we're home. Yawn. Why should it be a surprise, if the answer is no? Because there do exist some actual scientists.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA
Craig, The purifier should be a vast improvement over electrolytic cell since you don’t need to electrolyze hydrogen out of the water although the “impure” gas being fed in obviously could be HHO from electrolysis. I originally had a Pd membrane wall on the left side of this animation http://www.byzipp.com/sun30.swf but deleted it during one of the iterations. I was more interested in demonstrating the atoms response to the Casimir geometry [Taking on factional / Rydberg states]. I simplified the atom to a radius to avoid the electrons presence or lack thereof. In a fuel cell the electron travels externally but immediately recombines on the far side of the membrane when the proton exits the lattice. I think the electrons presence while passing through defects inside the lattice may be very much involved in this anomaly – the question of how “nearby” electrons in the geometric boundaries of the Ni are related to the naked hydrogen protons in voids of defect cavities may relate to fractional / Rydberg states many researchers claim are required for this anomaly. For myself I adopted Naudts paper describing the hydrino as “relativistic” but in an “equivalent” manner similar to gravity where Casimir effect can break the isotropy at the nano scale in a much more abrupt and dynamic manner than the gravitational gradients we are familiar with on the macro scale. It is my posit this dynamic change in “equivalent” acceleration is behind all catalytic action and is what discounts the disassociation of h2 courtesy of sudden change in Casimir geometry – changes the suppression level which limits the size of virtual particles in the region between parallel geometries in the cavity. The latest NASA video seems to indicate these Ni boundaries may also have surface areas full of free electrons capable of plasmonic current –I’m ok with that – yet another way to describe the same? Fran From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA Craig Haynie wrote: I haven't heard of a hydrogen purifier being used before. From the description, it appears as if the purifier is simply a substitute for a palladium electrolytic cell . . . That's right. The people at BARC did a similar experiment. See: Krishnan, M.S., et al., Cold Fusion Experiments Using a Commercial Pd-Ni Electrolyser, in BARC Studies in Cold Fusion, P.K. Iyengar and M. Srinivasan, Editors. 1989, Atomic Energy Commission: Bombay. p. A 1. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KrishnanMScoldfusion.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
On 12-01-13 12:21 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: Hum, seems hard to do. my point of view is that maybe it will be replacing the full core, with Ni, H, primary cooling, and maybe electronic... once shutdown, the reactor will be simply plumbed/pluged-out like a printer cartridge... Good analogy. Last time I bought a printer cartridge I think it was about $30. It would be amazing if the E-Cat cartridge was really 1/3 the cost of a printer cartridge. (Maybe he meant euros.)
RE: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
Yes, but actual scientists need decent funding to do this kind of work. BTW, there is a typo in previous post: should be Ni-H - as in why would they replicate Pd-D which has so little chance of commercialization, due to the thousand-fold higher cost of the reactants, instead of Ni-H which does have a chance? As mentioned in previous postings, palladium has hit $1000/ounce at times in recent history, and nickel is in the range of $1/ounce. The huge cost disparity between D and H is even greater. The point being: if Preparata had focused on Ni-H, where the end game is obvious (Ni-H can be commercialized far more easily) then there would have been a better chance that he would have been replicated. However, it was one of those quirks of history that nano was not being tried in 1995, and Ni-H benefits greatly from nano. (although no one except NASA took the time to replicate Thermacore, and even with that replication, political pressure was too great for them to get continued funding, EVEN AT NASA). From: James Bowery * Yes, we're home. Yawn. Why should it be a surprise, if the answer is no? Because there do exist some actual scientists. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: On 29 June 2010 Dick Smith accepted the commission of Rear Admiral of the Lake Eyre Yacht Club. Note, this lake is a salt lake and only has water in it after a flood. :) I love it! A Rear Admiral! This is my kind of guy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yes, but actual scientists need decent funding to do this kind of work. ... As mentioned in previous postings, palladium has hit $1000/ounce at times $100 for one foot of 1mm diameter palladium wire http://www.bonanza.com/listings/1-FOOT-PALLADIUM-950-ROUND-WIRE-HH-18-GAUGE-JEWELRY/23681238 This is enough to replicate Preparata's experiment. Hardly a bank-buster. Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point.
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: $100 for one foot of 1mm diameter palladium wire http://www.bonanza.com/listings/1-FOOT-PALLADIUM-950-ROUND-WIRE-HH-18-GAUGE-JEWELRY/23681238 This is enough to replicate Preparata's experiment. Hardly a bank-buster. It is all the other stuff that costs you. You need $100,000 in equipment. Plus you have to devote months to the project or you have to have a graduate student. Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point. They were convinced of that 22 years ago. By 1990 the mass media was firmly entrenched against cold fusion. Most scientists take their opinions from the mass media, just like anyone else. There has been tremendous opposition to this field starting the day it was announced, continuing to the present moment. There was never a time when actual scientists were open minded. Many -- perhaps most -- are still opposed to it. Fortunately, many others are willing to look. Traffic at LENR-CANR is at record highs. We do not need a majority of scientists. A few hundred scientists and one or two people such as Dick Smith of Australia is all we need. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
I wonder if the $10 refill includes the self destruct mechanism or if that's perhaps an extra cost option.
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: $100 for one foot of 1mm diameter palladium wire http://www.bonanza.com/listings/1-FOOT-PALLADIUM-950-ROUND-WIRE-HH-18-GAUGE-JEWELRY/23681238 This is enough to replicate Preparata's experiment. Hardly a bank-buster. It is all the other stuff that costs you. You need $100,000 in equipment. Plus you have to devote months to the project or you have to have a graduate student. I was responding to Jones' argument that Pd price was a serious impedement nowadays. Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point. They were convinced of that 22 years ago. By 1990 the mass media was firmly entrenched against cold fusion. Most scientists take their opinions from the mass media, just like anyone else. You obviously don't understand what I mean when I say actual scientists. Jones did understand.
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
BTW: The following should not be taken to mean that I believe most actual scientists are convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect is a moot point. I was merely trying to avert an irrelevant argument with Jones. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, this result was reported 16 years ago -- long before most actual scientists were convinced that pursuit of replication of the Fleischmann Pons Effect was a moot point.
Re: [Vo]:Hello? Anyone home?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As mentioned in previous postings, palladium has hit $1000/ounce at times in recent history, and nickel is in the range of $1/ounce. The huge cost disparity between D and H is even greater. Today Pd bid $1481 ask $1489 ozt. trending down. Ni is bid at $0.61 ozt. T
[Vo]:DGT Photos?
There is a picture of DGT on their forum made by a visiting customer according to the report. They also claim to have posted a link to other pictures, but I was not able to view them for some reason. This is a link to the main topic, the picture is on the same page. Dave http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=845start=10
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Sorry I was mislead by my cynicism. Santilli is sincere and credentialed. I guess he became litigious after having to endure the label fringe scientist for years. The link to his complaint against Infinite Energy is dead. Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Snubbed by mainstream, scrappy scientist sues The Palm Harbor man wants the courts to force his detractors to take his ideas seriously. By CARRIE WEIMAR Published May 9, 2007 TAMPA - Ruggero Santilli is frustrated. After a long career as an academic, the Palm Harbor physicist says he isn't getting the respect he deserves... http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/09/Hillsborough/Snubbed_by_mainstream.shtml Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
If an e-cat is really nothing but a boiler with a steel core, some electronics (wouldn't be multi-purpose but possibly on a single ASIC), a heater element and connectors for some kind of heat exchanger, I'd expect a small home unit to cost about $ 400 to produce and ship from China. This is about what simple 1-cylinder 4-stroke engines cost. I don't know about nickel in the purities allegedly required and whatever else Rossi claims to use as a catalyst and all that - but looking at how primitive the equipment in Rossi's demo setups seems to be, it would probably be even cheaper. Lets say $300 per. If he plans to sell a million of them and a unit is rated at 10 kW and he sells them for $50/kW, he'd turn over $500 million at $300 million cost. That leaves $200 million gross margin to cover development, testing, certification for a bunch of markets, marketing, sales, administration (most of all that up front), capital cost etc. and of course profit to do all the good things Rossi promised when he set out. I have a hard time to believe that an e-cat works at all (in fact I don't) but even IF it works - it will surely be significantly more expensive than $50/kW for any size. And as long as there is no competition, he'd be crazy to sell them so low anyway.
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Dear Harry, Santilli had a dispute re Theory with an other Italian scientist (Corso, if I remember well) and Infinite Energy was transformed in an arena of fight. The subject was only tangential to cold fusion and Gene has stopped the publication of this polemics. This was the cause of the lawsuit. It has happened in 1998 and 1999. Nasty, nothing to do with the opppression of Santilli. If you want to know what is doing Santilli now please search for MagneGas.The way from Aquafuel to Magnegas was very tortuous.Ther was also a company called Earthfirst Technologies that went bankrupt in 2008. Really not much to do with our area of interest. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I was mislead by my cynicism. Santilli is sincere and credentialed. I guess he became litigious after having to endure the label fringe scientist for years. The link to his complaint against Infinite Energy is dead. Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:17:50 -0500: Hi, [snip] Craig, The purifier should be a vast improvement over electrolytic cell since you dont need to electrolyze hydrogen out of the water although the impure gas being fed in obviously could be HHO from electrolysis. I would be very careful with this. I think the Pd would act as a recombiner for the HHO, and you could get an explosion. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:DGT Photos?
good news, so they are not blogging dogs http://www.condenaststore.com/-sp/On-the-Internet-nobody-knows-you-re-a-dog-New-Yorker-Cartoon-Prints_i8562841_.htm 2012/1/13 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com There is a picture of DGT on their forum made by a visiting customer according to the report. They also claim to have posted a link to other pictures, but I was not able to view them for some reason. This is a link to the main topic, the picture is on the same page. Dave http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=845start=10
[Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
From JONP at http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-168774 HanzJager January 12th, 2012 at 12:54 PM Thank you for all of your hard work and dedication to this Mr. Rossi! I can’t wait to have an eCat sitting in my basement! Have you seen this video released by NASA? Have a great and productive day!! :) http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html Andrea Rossi January 12th, 2012 at 5:42 PM Dear Hanz Jager: The fact that NASA is trying to copy my work honours me. But their theory is wrong. We will beat them, as well as all the other Competitors with our E-Cats: the E-Cats will have a too low price to allow NASA or anybody else to compete with us. They are Goliath, very big and strong, we are David… Warm Regards, A.R. mic
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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Andrea Rossi January 12th, 2012 at 5:42 PM Dear Hanz Jager: The fact that NASA is trying to copy my work honours me. But their theory is wrong. We will beat them, as well as all the other Competitors with our E-Cats: the E-Cats will have a too low price to allow NASA or anybody else to compete with us. They are Goliath, very big and strong, we are David… Warm Regards, A.R. Empty words are almost as cheap as lousy demos-- and recently, they have been much more plentiful. If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:11:08 -0800: Hi, [snip] If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute. It does if they use the same method and get similar results, even with the wrong theory. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi : customer can refill
In reply to Energy Liberator's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:04:56 +: Hi, [snip] I agree. This changes things significantly. It will be interesting to see how this is achieved. It's simple enough to change a cartridge with the nickel powder but how is the hydrogen taken care of? Perhaps the whole reactor core including the hydrogen storage is built into some sort of cartridge which then gets returned to the supplier for refilling / recycling much like gas cylinders. If the Hydrogen is stored in a metal hydride and released by heating, then the cartridge concept could work quite well. The only external connections required would be for cooling water and electrical (one multi pronged plug). The controller would be external. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:11:08 -0800: Hi, [snip] If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute. It does if they use the same method and get similar results, even with the wrong theory. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk I suppose so but how would they get to the right method with the wrong theory? They have no way to know what Rossi's supposed secret sauce is, do they?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
A bee can fly. An eagle can fly. Different animals, different evolutionary paths. Both don't give a bit to theory of flight, still they fly. mic 2012/1/13 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:11:08 -0800: Hi, [snip] If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute. It does if they use the same method and get similar results, even with the wrong theory. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk I suppose so but how would they get to the right method with the wrong theory? They have no way to know what Rossi's supposed secret sauce is, do they?
[Vo]:An overlooked 2011 patent for micron-scale crystal-based fusion
This patent doesn't show up on google searches of discussion boards. I am curious how it fits into the various LENR categories, and also whether the approach works on nano-scales, and in which atmospheres, emulsions and for which crystal distributions. Although the fusion is claimed to be initiated at low temperature, the USPTO did not reject it as a cold fusion claim - maybe because of the mention of particle beams? One of the inventors, Seth Putterman, is also a sonofusion researcher. Does anyone have any insights on the patent's value? Do the claims conflict with any pending patents? Does it overlap any current LENR approaches? Thanks, Lou Pagnucco * THE PATENT + EXCERPTS * HIGH ENERGY CRYSTAL GENERATORS AND THEIR APPLICATIONS Patent 7741615 Issued on June 22, 2010. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7741615/fulltext.html Abstract Ferroelectric, pyroelectric and piezoelectric crystals are used to generate spatially localized high energy (up to and exceeding 100 keV) electron and ion beams SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION The present invention is based on the discovery that ferroelectric, pyroelectric or piezoelectric crystal generator devices can be designed that provide for the emission of high energy particles, such as 100 KeV electrons from a three by one cubic centimeter ferroelectric material that is heated just a few degrees above room temperature. ... The following is a summary of the types of systems in which the electron/ion beam generators of the present invention are directed against a variety of different targets. ... Fusion: The ion energies achieved with stimulated crystals in accordance with the present invention are easily into the range where collisions with deuterated [tritiated] targets create fusion with the release of neutrons and energy and otherhigh energy particles. it is possible to generate the emission of 100 KeV ions upon heating a crystal on its positive `z` base. This happens because the compensating charge on the opposite or negative `z` side is made up ofpositively charged ions. When heated the domain flips, which brings a plus charge to the surface and causes the ions to be blown off, with the same energy as is supplied to the electrons. A compact source of fast ions (50 KeV) provides a new route tofusion. With a deuterated atmosphere and a deuterated surface, fusion at energies of 50 KeV is possible. Such fusion was demonstrated using an exemplary crystal generator in accordance with the present invention to generate the high field (greater than 25 V/nm) that is required for gas phase field ionization of deuterium. DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION Some applications utilize deuterated systems. This means that deuterium gas [or tritium gas] has been introduced into the region of the crystal and/or that the hydrogen in the crystal has been replaced with deuterium/tritium. And thatdeuterium has been adsorbed onto the crystal surface or loaded into the crystal. Or that in addition a target made with Deuteriu or tritium is used. * DESCRIPTION FROM NANOPATENTS WEBSITE * HIGH ENERGY 'Z' CRYSTAL GENERATORS FOR EARTH, MARS AND THE STARS, NEW ROUTE TO FUSION -- This discovery brings to mind the fabled crystal energy generators of Atlantis. http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.com/2011/01/high-energy-z-crystal-generators-for.html Two California scientists say they have found a way to transform heat into electricity through the use of crystals that could be used as a power source here on Earth on in exploratory space vehicles. The crystal energy could even provide a new way to generate fusion energy The high-energy emission can be created by simply heating the material or by application of external coercive electromagnetic and acoustic fields. The high-energy emission can be created by simply heating the material or by application of external coercive electromagnetic and acoustic fields The inventors say, it is possible to generate the emission of 100 KeV ions upon heating a crystal on its positive `z` base. This happens because the compensating charge on the opposite or negative `z` side is made up of positively charged ions. When heated the domain flips, which brings a plus charge to the surface and causes the ions to be blown off, with the same energy as is supplied to the electrons. A compact source of fast ions (50 KeV) provides a new route to fusion... The invention is based on the discovery that ferroelectric, pyroelectric or piezoelectric crystal generator devices can be designed that provide for the emission of high energy particles, such as 100 KeV electrons from a three by one cubic centimeter ferroelectric material that is heated just a few degrees above room temperature. The crystal can be put to use for a new class of detectors, microscopes and display panels. In addition the generators can be used as an energy source for conducting fusion and in any situation where a localized source of energy
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi
FYI a new article about dick smith http://www.merredinmercury.com.au/news/national/national/general/mullumbimby-helping-to-save-world/2418684.aspx 2012/1/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mix...@bigpond.com wrote: On 29 June 2010 Dick Smith accepted the commission of Rear Admiral of the Lake Eyre Yacht Club. Note, this lake is a salt lake and only has water in it after a flood. :) I love it! A Rear Admiral! This is my kind of guy. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
From my reading of the actual letters between him and colleagues at various universities, I think he has good reason to be angry... but like he said later in life, the scientists who basically 'blacklisted' him in the academic world actually did him a favor; he was able to find very competent mathematicians and physicists to help develop his theories, and eventually he made more $ by pitching his work to the commercial sector; capitalism to the rescue. That first Volume contains more than 100 letters, and I can't remember one that was disrespectful or angry. His letters were sincere and respectful, even to those who he felt wronged him, but that only was up to 1984. I suspect that his attitude changed after 20+ years of being blacklisted. He really had to fight back, and he chose to use the legal system. Effective, but probably caused even more resentment and a 'perception' that he was 'crazy', which has only hampered his efforts to gain respect for his work. From what I've read so far, karma worked in this case... or at least to his side; I think Santilli is still waiting for Weinberg and others to get theirs. -Mark -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? Sorry I was mislead by my cynicism. Santilli is sincere and credentialed. I guess he became litigious after having to endure the label fringe scientist for years. The link to his complaint against Infinite Energy is dead. Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:UNSUBSRIBE
I'd prefer to use a line from the album, 'Hotel California' by The Eagles... You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave! -mark -Original Message- From: Vorl Bek [mailto:vorl@antichef.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:UNSUBSRIBE Unsubscribeunsubscribeunsubscribe... I've tried 4 times to get off this mailing list. This is the fifth! It's like the Roach Motel - you can go in but you don't come out.
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi
At 10:40 AM 1/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: mix...@bigpond.com wrote: On 29 June 2010 Dick Smith accepted the commission of Rear Admiral of the Lake Eyre Yacht Club. Note, this lake is a salt lake and only has water in it after a flood. :) http://www.lakeeyreyc.com/Status/latest.htm Almost dry --- and they report Lake levels in ... millimeters !!!
Re: [Vo]:Interesting link at NASA : NYTEKNIK
Mats Lewan reports at TV:NASA confirms research in LENR http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3384163.ece .. Ny Teknik contacted NASAs chief scientist, Dr. Dennis Bushnell, who previously has expressed support for LENR, but he declined to give any official comments on the video or to NASAs research in LENR Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, a more general term for the phenomenon that used to be called cold fusion. Dr. Bushnells only comment was: The video pertains to the potential tech transfer aspects of the Zawodny LENR Patent. ... (Comments on a lot of the latest news.)
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi
All the news reports indicated that the meeting was Friday night ... long over by now. But no updates. At 05:00 PM 1/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.lakeeyreyc.com/Status/latest.htm Almost dry --- and they report Lake levels in ... millimeters !!! I got there via google, but now that link takes me to a doteasy site. I read a few more pages, and discovered that due to disputes with Aboriginal groups, all [nearly all?] access to the lake has been cut off. http://www.lakeeyreyc.com/ News : Boating no longer allowed on Lake Eyre! A spanner has been thrown into the works by National Parks refusal to give permission for us to sail on Lake Eyre until they have obtained the OK from the native title claimants. From all reports it appears National Parks are enjoying the opportunity to prevent us from recreating in their park and are in no hurry to resolve the issue. This process could take years and means that realistically speaking the only way to boat on Lake Eyre this year will be by committing an illegal act and given the anger in our membership this may happen. ... It appears the South Australian Government are happy to remove our common law right to access and boat on a navigable waterway. We find this amazing given that there is no legal difference between our sailing territory and the River Murray. As Indigenous Australians lived alongside every waterway in the country will your favorite boating place be next? Unfortunately we cannot match the free legal services the complainants have at their disposal so all we can do is make the public aware of the erosion of the right to recreate in a National Park in an environmentally sustainable way. ...
[Vo]:1MW delay
January 13th, 2012 at 5:51 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-169415 The 1 MW Customer is not yet working with the 1 MW plant, because we are still completing the control systems with National Instruments. (Response from MY in 5,4,3.. ) (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:1MW delay
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: January 13th, 2012 at 5:51 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-169415 The 1 MW Customer is not yet working with the 1 MW plant, because we are still completing the control systems with National Instruments. I wonder how he is running financially. Not a single eCat delivered to date; but, already pricing mega eCats for the future. No wonder the skeptics are skeptical. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
Michele, a bumblebee might be a better example since it defies the laws of aerodynamics and it must therefore be a figment of our imagination and really can't fly from this sort of skeptical perspective. We don't have to accept anyone's theory when the experimental results are proven. Even if the results demand new physics the skepticism doesn't erase the results. Mary is well to object to unproven theories but that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle - the anomaly exists and the tipping point is past. The effect will be optimized and enhanced into a product line BEFORE the theory is fully understood. A spreadsheet of metrics and methodical testing can stand in for a proper theory to develop the hardware. Fran A bee can fly. An eagle can fly. Different animals, different evolutionary paths. Both don't give a bit to theory of flight, still they fly. mic 2012/1/13 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:11:08 -0800: Hi, [snip] If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute. It does if they use the same method and get similar results, even with the wrong theory. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk I suppose so but how would they get to the right method with the wrong theory? They have no way to know what Rossi's supposed secret sauce is, do they?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:42:59 -0800: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:11:08 -0800: Hi, [snip] If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute. It does if they use the same method and get similar results, even with the wrong theory. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk I suppose so but how would they get to the right method with the wrong theory? They have no way to know what Rossi's supposed secret sauce is, do they? Strictly speaking no, but Rossi has given away a few clues and there are a number of published papers (Piantelli etc.) that are close, so NASA may have to redo some of the experimental work that Rossi has done in order to get similar results. Of course if they succeed they will claim that the theory is correct. OTOH they may tailor the method to suit the theory, and never get anywhere, or I could be wrong, and they will succeed brilliantly based upon the theory they are using. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?
In reply to Alan J Fletcher's message of Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:34:23 -0800: Hi, [snip] At 12:24 PM 1/12/2012, Jones Beene wrote: From: James Bowery Google-books has one of Preparatas most popular books on QED online. There is a chapter on LENR http://books.google.com/books?id=u-MvobTFGLECpg=PA153source=gbs_toc_rcad=4#v=onepageqf=false But like a lot of google books : Pages xxx to yyy are not shown in this preview. Sometimes you can cheat by guessing at a keyword likely to be found on the next page, but it gets to be frustrating. Would the page number do as a keyword? ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:00:57 -0500: Hi, [snip] The underlying posit of this video is that NASA believes Enhancement of Surface Plasmon Polaritons will initiate and sustain LENR in metal hydride systems. I have followed Plasmon articles as they relate to translating the laser width through an aperture of reducing geometry to produce a lithographic mask capable of dimensions smaller than the lasers wavelength. I know the propagation speed of plasmons is different than the original laser making me suspect a Frank Z kind of possibility exploiting the difference in propagation but I never suspected a connection to LENR, Casimir effect or surface effects. After consideration I can envision where this is just another aspect of the same anomaly -perhaps the suppression some of us believe responsible for fractional or Rydberg states initiates in these surface layers of plasmons on the bounding geometries [mirrors]? Not suppression, just anchoring of the central electrons making IRH possible. See http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg60835.html This would mean the effects are based on the same quantum phenomena. Fran Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Is Santilli's theory better...
Here is one tidbit that seems to indicate it might be... -m == Santilli writes: In 1996 I submitted to International Journal of Modern Physics D paper [35] presenting the FIRST EXACT-NUMERICAL REPRESENTATION OF ALL TOTAL NUCLEAR MAGNETIC MOMENTS. The result was achieved via the old hypothesis that the charge distributions of protons and neutrons are deformed when these particles are members of a nuclear structure, resulting in a consequential DEFORMATION OF their INTRINSIC MAGNETIC MOMENTS, the ONLY known approach permitting an exact fit of the experimental value of the magnetic moment of all nuclei, as predicted by Fermi, Segre, and other Founders of nuclear physics (when physics was not dominated by dirty politics). An invariant representation of this old hypothesis was easily achieved by hadronic mechanics via nonunitary transform (20). The exact-numerical and invariant representation of ALL nuclear magnetic moment then follows. For instance, a small prolate ellipsoidical deformation of nucleon charge distributions of about 1% permits the exact fit of the magnetic moment of the deuteron. Easy extrapolations then permitted the representation of ALL other nuclear magnetic moments. The paper was soon accepted by an Editor of IJMP D of high reputation and ethical standard, and sent to Singapore for publication. Upon arrival, the World Scientific (WS) main editorial office in Singapore suppressed the publication of the paper, in violation of the acceptance by one of its best and most qualified Editors, and, following fake reviews of additional imaginary editors, the paper was rejected WITHOUT ANY TECHNICAL CRITICISM OR OTHER CREDIBLE REASON. You should be aware that the theory preferred by the U.S. organized scientific crime, quantum mechanics, has been unable to reach an exact-numerical representation of nuclear magnetic moments despite one century of research and a river of public money. In fact, quantum mechanics still misses about 1% of the magnetic moment of the deuteron, with progressively bigger deviations for the helium, etc. to reach truly embarrassing deviations in large nuclei such as the zirconium. Yet, the ethical and scientific status of your publisher is that nuclear papers based on quantum mechanics continue to be published in large numbers without any problem despite insufficiencies that would take a book to list (see [7i] for an outline), while a paper achieving the FIRST EXACT, AND INVARIANT representation of ALL nuclear magnetic moments had to be suppressed. For what reason? Evidently because quantum papers are aligned with the organized scientific crime served by WS main editorial office, while Santilli's papers are opposed by the same interests. The case is deplorable because, as documented to the WS headquarters in all details during my respectful (at that time) petitions to reconsider the rejection of a formally accepted paper, the admission of the deformability of the charge distribution of nucleons directly implies for certain technical reasons the existence of new means for the recycling of highly radioactive nuclear waste via their stimulated decay [23].
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Vs. NASA!
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:33 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:42:59 -0800: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:11:08 -0800: Hi, [snip] If NASA's theory is wrong, how are they any form of competition? This doesn't compute. It does if they use the same method and get similar results, even with the wrong theory. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk I suppose so but how would they get to the right method with the wrong theory? They have no way to know what Rossi's supposed secret sauce is, do they? Strictly speaking no, but Rossi has given away a few clues and there are a number of published papers (Piantelli etc.) that are close, so NASA may have to redo some of the experimental work that Rossi has done in order to get similar results. Of course if they succeed they will claim that the theory is correct. OTOH they may tailor the method to suit the theory, and never get anywhere, or I could be wrong, and they will succeed brilliantly based upon the theory they are using. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html What Rossi says is an good example for the definition from http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/01/first-seed.html The idea to KILL the competition is an even better one. Compettion is necessary, reveals and generates the best in products and the worst in people. Bing is the most valuable coopetitor of Google Search, one example of hundreds. Peter Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
