Mail behaving strangely
Starting yesterday, Mail is refusing to delete e-mails that I try to discard as I read through my many e-mails from several different lists. The message that appears says: The message (Sender name, subject line) could not be moved to the mailbox Trash - On My Mac The operation couldn't be completed. File exists And then there is a questionmark button and and OK button. (The questionmark button doesn't seem to do anything useful.) I can delete an e-mail by clicking Option-delete, but it is clumsy. It is an intermittent problem - a few e-mails will delete as they should, then the message turns up again. Something that seems very weird is that when I look at the e-mails in the Trash on my Mac, some of them seem to have been scrambled - that is, the Sender and the Subject line in the Mail application window are different than what appears in the e-mail itself. Names and subjects from one source get mixed with names and subjects from another e-mail list. I'm using OS 10.6.2; I ran repair permissions which didn't improve this problem. Also deleted everything that was in Trash on my Mac, several times. I'm wondering if I should try to get this problem sorted out before doing a backup and installing the 10.6.3 update, or if the update might fix it. Is there anything I could do? Pat -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Mail behaving strangely
Just noticed a further bit of weirdness with the scrambled e-mails: the dates on them once they are in Trash on my Mac are more than a year out of date, and the topics are also in the distant past. I have always made a point of emptying Trash on my Mac periodically, when it built up to several thousand. Are those long-gone e-mails still hanging around somewhere in the bowels of my Mac? Ugh. I hope someone has some idea about a fix. Pat On 30/03/2010, at 2:09 PM, Pat wrote: Starting yesterday, Mail is refusing to delete e-mails that I try to discard as I read through my many e-mails from several different lists. The message that appears says: The message (Sender name, subject line) could not be moved to the mailbox Trash - On My Mac The operation couldn't be completed. File exists And then there is a questionmark button and and OK button. (The questionmark button doesn't seem to do anything useful.) I can delete an e-mail by clicking Option-delete, but it is clumsy. It is an intermittent problem - a few e-mails will delete as they should, then the message turns up again. Something that seems very weird is that when I look at the e-mails in the Trash on my Mac, some of them seem to have been scrambled - that is, the Sender and the Subject line in the Mail application window are different than what appears in the e-mail itself. Names and subjects from one source get mixed with names and subjects from another e-mail list. I'm using OS 10.6.2; I ran repair permissions which didn't improve this problem. Also deleted everything that was in Trash on my Mac, several times. I'm wondering if I should try to get this problem sorted out before doing a backup and installing the 10.6.3 update, or if the update might fix it. Is there anything I could do? Pat -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Mail behaving strangely
Hi Pat, In Mail Preferences Accounts 'Move deleted messages to the Trash mailbox' - 'Permanently erase deleted messages when': what do you have in Permanently erase deleted messages when … ? Firstly, try this: Select the mailbox. Select rebuild from the Mailbox menu. Does that help? Certainly don't even think about upgrading to OS X 10.6.3 UNTIL you have this issue sorted. As I have said numerous times on WAMUG List Do Not Upgrade if anything is amiss with your system. As is the case with all updates, if there's anything at all amiss with your system before the update, the update is likely to expose them. Cheers, Ronni On 30/03/2010, at 2:37 PM, Pat wrote: Just noticed a further bit of weirdness with the scrambled e-mails: the dates on them once they are in Trash on my Mac are more than a year out of date, and the topics are also in the distant past. I have always made a point of emptying Trash on my Mac periodically, when it built up to several thousand. Are those long-gone e-mails still hanging around somewhere in the bowels of my Mac? Ugh. I hope someone has some idea about a fix. Pat On 30/03/2010, at 2:09 PM, Pat wrote: Starting yesterday, Mail is refusing to delete e-mails that I try to discard as I read through my many e-mails from several different lists. The message that appears says: The message (Sender name, subject line) could not be moved to the mailbox Trash - On My Mac The operation couldn't be completed. File exists And then there is a questionmark button and and OK button. (The questionmark button doesn't seem to do anything useful.) I can delete an e-mail by clicking Option-delete, but it is clumsy. It is an intermittent problem - a few e-mails will delete as they should, then the message turns up again. Something that seems very weird is that when I look at the e-mails in the Trash on my Mac, some of them seem to have been scrambled - that is, the Sender and the Subject line in the Mail application window are different than what appears in the e-mail itself. Names and subjects from one source get mixed with names and subjects from another e-mail list. I'm using OS 10.6.2; I ran repair permissions which didn't improve this problem. Also deleted everything that was in Trash on my Mac, several times. I'm wondering if I should try to get this problem sorted out before doing a backup and installing the 10.6.3 update, or if the update might fix it. Is there anything I could do? Pat -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Check marks against iTunes music files ?
Thank you Ronda. I already do that so I think I will stick to it. On 30/03/2010, at 7:08 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I see Stephen, I don't think you can change the default for new songs added being checked. I find it is best to create Playlists and then I sync certain playlists for my iPhone and my other iPods. When my iPhone or iPods are connected I have selected under 'Music' - 'Selected Playlists, artists genres', have checked the playlists I want. 'Include Videos' is selected I have checked certain videos for my iPhone. 'Include Voice Memos' is also selected. Cheers, Ronni On 29/03/2010, at 10:18 PM, Stephen Chape wrote: My problem is that each time I add new music to iTunes it is checked by default. However I do not always want that music to be also on my iPhone. Do you know how to add new music to iTunes without it being checked ? On 29/03/2010, at 9:29 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: If you have the songs you want checked and the others unchecked, you need to select sync only checked songs and videos in the summary tab AND select Sync Music and entire library in the music tab. Sent from Ronni's iPhone On 29/03/2010, at 8:18 PM, Stephen Chape ch...@westnet.com.au wrote: Hi folks, I have been searching the iTunes preferences for this without success. For my iPhone I would like to select the option sync only checked songs videos in the iTunes preferences. However each time I add a new audio file to iTunes it is checked automatically. Is there some way of preventing this ? Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Mail behaving strangely
Hi, Ronni, I have the setting for Permanently erase deleted messages as 'never', because I do sometimes have to go back to something there. I rely on the procedure of flushing some of the oldest every month. Is this likely to be the problem? Tomorrow, I will try setting it to 'one month' and see if it helps. When you say Select the mailbox. Select rebuild from the Mailbox menu. you are referring to selecting the mailbox on the Mail preferences panel? The Rebuild option is greyed out. I have 2 other accounts, and they are both greyed out too. Thanks, Pat On 30/03/2010, at 2:53 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Pat, In Mail Preferences Accounts 'Move deleted messages to the Trash mailbox' - 'Permanently erase deleted messages when': what do you have in Permanently erase deleted messages when … ? Firstly, try this: Select the mailbox. Select rebuild from the Mailbox menu. Does that help? Certainly don't even think about upgrading to OS X 10.6.3 UNTIL you have this issue sorted. As I have said numerous times on WAMUG List Do Not Upgrade if anything is amiss with your system. As is the case with all updates, if there's anything at all amiss with your system before the update, the update is likely to expose them. Cheers, Ronni On 30/03/2010, at 2:37 PM, Pat wrote: Just noticed a further bit of weirdness with the scrambled e-mails: the dates on them once they are in Trash on my Mac are more than a year out of date, and the topics are also in the distant past. I have always made a point of emptying Trash on my Mac periodically, when it built up to several thousand. Are those long-gone e-mails still hanging around somewhere in the bowels of my Mac? Ugh. I hope someone has some idea about a fix. Pat On 30/03/2010, at 2:09 PM, Pat wrote: Starting yesterday, Mail is refusing to delete e-mails that I try to discard as I read through my many e-mails from several different lists. The message that appears says: The message (Sender name, subject line) could not be moved to the mailbox Trash - On My Mac The operation couldn't be completed. File exists And then there is a questionmark button and and OK button. (The questionmark button doesn't seem to do anything useful.) I can delete an e-mail by clicking Option-delete, but it is clumsy. It is an intermittent problem - a few e-mails will delete as they should, then the message turns up again. Something that seems very weird is that when I look at the e-mails in the Trash on my Mac, some of them seem to have been scrambled - that is, the Sender and the Subject line in the Mail application window are different than what appears in the e-mail itself. Names and subjects from one source get mixed with names and subjects from another e-mail list. I'm using OS 10.6.2; I ran repair permissions which didn't improve this problem. Also deleted everything that was in Trash on my Mac, several times. I'm wondering if I should try to get this problem sorted out before doing a backup and installing the 10.6.3 update, or if the update might fix it. Is there anything I could do? Pat -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Mail behaving strangely
Sent from Ronni's iPhone On 30/03/2010, at 6:44 PM, Pat clamsh...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi, Ronni, I have the setting for Permanently erase deleted messages as 'never', because I do sometimes have to go back to something there. I rely on the procedure of flushing some of the oldest every month. Is this likely to be the problem? Tomorrow, I will try setting it to 'one month' and see if it helps. One month would be better. You don't want to clog up mail. When you say Select the mailbox. Select rebuild from the Mailbox menu. you are referring to selecting the mailbox on the Mail preferences panel? The Rebuild option is greyed out. I have 2 other accounts, and they are both greyed out too. No, Rebuild Mailbox: Highlight (click once) each of the Mailboxes Choose MailboxRebuild Rebuild recreates the index to the messages and does not cause them to be lost. During Rebuild all messages will briefly disappear from the list of messages, but they will reappear. Thanks, Pat On 30/03/2010, at 2:53 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Pat, In Mail Preferences Accounts 'Move deleted messages to the Trash mailbox' - 'Permanently erase deleted messages when': what do you have in Permanently erase deleted messages when … ? Firstly, try this: Select the mailbox. Select rebuild from the Mailbox menu. Does that help? Certainly don't even think about upgrading to OS X 10.6.3 UNTIL you have this issue sorted. As I have said numerous times on WAMUG List Do Not Upgrade if anything is amiss with your system. As is the case with all updates, if there's anything at all amiss with your system before the update, the update is likely to expose them. Cheers, Ronni On 30/03/2010, at 2:37 PM, Pat wrote: Just noticed a further bit of weirdness with the scrambled e- mails: the dates on them once they are in Trash on my Mac are more than a year out of date, and the topics are also in the distant past. I have always made a point of emptying Trash on my Mac periodically, when it built up to several thousand. Are those long-gone e-mails still hanging around somewhere in the bowels of my Mac? Ugh. I hope someone has some idea about a fix. Pat On 30/03/2010, at 2:09 PM, Pat wrote: Starting yesterday, Mail is refusing to delete e-mails that I try to discard as I read through my many e-mails from several different lists. The message that appears says: The message (Sender name, subject line) could not be moved to the mailbox Trash - On My Mac The operation couldn't be completed. File exists And then there is a questionmark button and and OK button. (The questionmark button doesn't seem to do anything useful.) I can delete an e-mail by clicking Option-delete, but it is clumsy. It is an intermittent problem - a few e-mails will delete as they should, then the message turns up again. Something that seems very weird is that when I look at the e- mails in the Trash on my Mac, some of them seem to have been scrambled - that is, the Sender and the Subject line in the Mail application window are different than what appears in the e-mail itself. Names and subjects from one source get mixed with names and subjects from another e-mail list. I'm using OS 10.6.2; I ran repair permissions which didn't improve this problem. Also deleted everything that was in Trash on my Mac, several times. I'm wondering if I should try to get this problem sorted out before doing a backup and installing the 10.6.3 update, or if the update might fix it. Is there anything I could do? Pat -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
I Photo Query
Can someone provide me with an answer to a problem I have encountered when enlarging photos on the screen in both Events and Photos I down loaded a series of photos a week ago from 2 cameras and subsequently thinned these out by hiding or deleting selected photos I wanted to view some of these photos tonight and found that several of the photos selected enlarge to the full screen size for a moment then this was replaced by a large black exclamation mark within a circle. This symbol filled the screen Does not look good This same result occurred with several other selected events but not all frames selected for enlargement resulted in the exclamation mark I am using an IMAC 27 V 10.6.3 Graeme Winters -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: iPhoto Query
On 30/3/10 8:14 PM, Graeme Winters g.wint...@iinet.net.au wrote: Can someone provide me with an answer to a problem I have encountered when enlarging photos on the screen in both Events and Photos I down loaded a series of photos a week ago from 2 cameras and subsequently thinned these out by hiding or deleting selected photos I wanted to view some of these photos tonight and found that several of the photos selected enlarge to the full screen size for a moment then this was replaced by a large black exclamation mark within a circle. This symbol filled the screen Does not look good This same result occurred with several other selected events but not all frames selected for enlargement resulted in the exclamation mark I am using an IMAC 27 V 10.6.3 Graeme Winters Hi Graeme Short answer is basically, the ! mark means that the photos are either deleted or missing from where they should be. When you see them little, you're still looking at the thumbnail of it, but the actual or original file (from when you double click it) isn't actually there (or not where it should be). You can try correcting it by rebuilding the iPhoto database. As you launch iPhoto hold down the Command and Option(Alt) keys. You will then be presented with a window asking you to rebuild the Database. This link should help you decide which rebuild is best to use (or which to start with before doing the others):- http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2638 Also, more info can be found about trying to fix it from here:- http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1952529 As we always mention (which I know you're doing as have seen your Time Machine backup)...always make sure to backup anything before you start. ;o) Hope that helps. Kind Regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: wamug @ macwizardry . com . au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Strange 24-second pauses
-- Thanks everyone for the advice. It was hard to use Activity Monitor because after starting it up, it too would stall. But I've got my iMac running quite well now by restarting, as suggested, from the installation DVD, and doing a Disk Repair (it did need repair). Also I have done the new 10.6.3 update as outlined by Ronni. -- The problem now is with my 120 Gb Lacie external HD. Until the 10.6.3 update, it did appear on my device list and could be used, though a bit flaky. Now it no longer appears. Is there any way I can force it to appear so that I can use Disk Repair on it? It's got a Firewire connection, if I check Firewire under Hardware in System Profiler, the FireWire Bus shows only 'Unknown Device'. Does this mean the hailstorm might have rendered the HD unusable? TIA -- David Noel 2010 Mar 30 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Rob Findlay r...@teamdigital.com.au wrote: David, this might be worth a look http://support.apple.com/kb/DL947 If still no joy try opening the Activity Monitor in the Utilities Folder. Set it to show all processes and sort the data by %CPU by clicking on that column. When the stall happens look at the monitor and see what is using the CPU. On 29/03/2010, at 2:42 PM, David Noel wrote: -- Hi All, can anybody throw any light on the following? -- We lost power during the Great Hailstorm of March 22, and were off for 4 days. When power was restored, I was pleased that my Intel iMac (on 10.6.2) was able to power up again apparently normally. But since then, with all applications (eg writing this email), for no obvious reason the computer has at times gone into a 'pause mode'. -- With this, during actions such as scrolling along a movie or switching to another application, the screen more or less freezes and the coloured wheel appears. After about 24 seconds the wheel disappears and normal service is resumed. It's bearable but annoying, without apparent ill effects in the long run, sometimes happening every minute or so, sometimes going half an hour or more before showing up. -- I have the widget which shows CPU, disk etc usage and can't see anything special with it (though invoking widgets during a 'pause' usually shows everything without data, and sometimes the CPU widget doesn't appear at all). -- Any thoughts, please? Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Mar 29 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Broadband width
Hi Rhonda Stuart Breden PO Box 132 Kalamunda WA 6926 Ph: (08) 9257 1577 Mbl: 0417 053 266 On 28/03/2010, at 8:47 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 27/03/2010, at 9:17 PM, Stuart Breden wrote: I'm in the process of up grading my broadband both at home and at work. Today I was trying to watch the iPad tutorial. Gave up as it opened so slowly. What is the best band width to watch the Apple tutorials etc? Is broadband the best or is there some other internet connection/s? Hi Stuart, With the iPad Video, did you press the play as it is downloading? If you do that the video plays straight away. You don't fully download it before you view it, if you waited until it fully downloaded, then yes, it would take a long time. Yes I did press play as it is downloading. The video then stops and continues to download and finally restarts. i gave up It's a great video actually, I'm very impressed with the iPad. http://www.apple.com/au/ipad/ What ADSL Broadband Plan are you on currently? Naturally the fastest download speed you can get is best ;-) Where I am, the fastest download I can receive is my Westnet Bundled Boost (1.5Mb to 8Mb/384k - 10GB/15GB) Which is only Broadband1 (ADSL1). I did test Westnet's ADSL2+ for a month, but I wasn't downloading much faster, I was getting faster upload speeds, but the slight improvement didn't justify the extra cost of the upgrade. I am approx. 4.2 kms from the Exchange my connection comes through, if I was within 2kms I would be able to get faster speeds. Broadband2+ (Reach) is available in my area now, so I might give it another try. We are never happy with our download speeds, we always wanting faster. I notice you are with Highway1 Business. http://www.highway1.com.au/broadband_plans.php?type=SOHOtech=ADSL2service=Internet-Only http://www.highway1.com.au/broadband_plans.php?type=SOHOtech=ADSL2service=Naked I'll investigate all of there. Thanks! Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
System Preferences corrupted
Hi I normally connect to the internet through an ethernet connection to my partner's machine, but I've just been testing a wireless broadband connection, which seems to have left my System Preferences corrupted. Now, every time I open System Preferences and select Network I get a pop-up box that tells me Your network settings have been changed by another application. When I press OK the box just pops up again immediately. If I am very quick I can get System Preferences to respond to me, but the pop-up box keeps re-appearing. I've tried trashing com.apple.systempreferences.plist from the preferences with no change. I do have backups but I'm not sure what needs replacing. Any help will be appreciated. emac 800MHz OS 10.4.11 System Preferences 3.3 Cheers, Kaye -- Kaye Stott and Geoff Prince Email: k...@kgweb.org.au Web: http://www. kgweb.org.au/ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Erratic wireless connection
I have two questions. First is to do with an internet connection that drops out after about an hour. In my CBD office I have a Linksys Wireless-G modem model WAG54G and a MacBook Pro OS 10.6.2. I use a wireless connection between the computer and the modem. The only wires connected to the modem are the phone line (through a filter) and power cord. The menu bar on the computer shows 5 bar connection with the modem, but after about an hour of use I get an error message saying that Entourage cannot find the server, and a message on Safari saying that I am not connected to the internet. Westnet reports that I am connected even when the computer reports tat there is no internet connection The computer remains connected for hours on end when I use it at home. When there is no internet connection lights that are solidly alight on the modem are labelled Power, Ethernet 2, WLAN. The light labelled DSL blinks. When there is an internet connection, the light labelled Ethernet 2 is not alight, and the lights labelled WLAN, DSL and Internet are alight solidly. Each time connection fails I unplug the modem, let it sit for a while, and then reconnect. Am I right in thinking that there is a fault in the modem? (I have not pressed the reset button. Not because I'm lazy, but because I can't find the manual and cannot remember the numbers to enter into the url address bar in the browser.) Now for my second question. I am fortunate in that as well as being able to connect to Westnet via a phone point in my office which is a direct phone line, I can connect to a different network via an ethernet (totally separate from my personal isp connection and using different access port in the skirting board). At the moment I run an ethernet cable from the port in the skirting board to the ethernet port in my computer. Could I instead run that cable to the Linksys modem (which has 4 ethernet ports), and then use a wireless connection between the computer and the modem? Regards, Michael Hawkins. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
