Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda
Dear all, Am sorry to drag you back to what was discussed and possibly disposed of way back in January if not December just because I came across the case of Guatemala who are suing US for infecting their natives with Syphilis and Gonorrhea. If you can find time read the following links for more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11457552 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12739793 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11454789 My only cry is only if we had the political will may be something would be done about our situation. sorry for wasting your time. moe On 11/30/10, moses akuma odims2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Dr. William! I have always seen Aids as a crafted reality that is aimed at continuing the politics of managing the 'vulnerable'. The politics of Poverty and disease is real. I mean at one time all fluids from a human could infect and now mothers can milk themselves to feed their children from cups...One of the couples could have the virus and the other notOh No! Just like we are told to be dependent on God these guys have always designed ways of making us dependent on there prescriptions. What we are discussing is like calling an armed thief by name I hope the thief spares us on this because it is painful to read such provoking experience. Kind Regards Moses Akuma Odims From: William Worodria worod...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 6:30:47 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear Ismail and Gilbert, I have not read this book but the issues therein are very intriguingand no straight forward explanation may be forthcoming. I have come across bits and pieces of these information. Covert issues remain clouded since efforts are made to clean the tracks. The answer to the cause of AIDS raises more questions than answers. Military experiments? From the monkeys? ...These folks have been eating this stuff for generations. Again more questions than answers. We certainly need to know lots more about ourselves, where we come from and who we interact with for what reasons... Worodria From: Adibo Gilbert adibog2...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 13:22:09 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, All this points to us thoroughly using our grey matters and asking critical questions and further to read in between the lines for every foreign development that appears too good. Man, this Capitalist world does not just give away money and any pennies spent serve a purpose whether it be through Charity donations or religious generosity by the so called donor. Certainly, this is is an eye opener subject to the verasity of the authenticity of write up in the book. There is however no smoke without fire-so it is said! It would interest me to read alot further should I come across this particular book. Any ideas where one can reach the text? Time to do some critical thinking and reading between lines, nothing for nothing! Thanks Ismail. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested
Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda
Matua, Thank you for bringing up this. Indeed I posted this subject on our net myself and unfornately members discussed it and just left it like that. Alaka did promise that he will lead a consultation with the our lawyer brothers and sisters and see what can be done. I have not seen a brief from him about it. WNF is planning to meet the new political leaders (MPs, LCV chairpersons, Mayors, LC III chairpersons). May I suggest that this subject be one of the discussion points with these political leaders. From: Emmanuel Mike Matua Odravu emmot...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, 16 March, 2011 2:40:41 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear all, Am sorry to drag you back to what was discussed and possibly disposed of way back in January if not December just because I came across the case of Guatemala who are suing US for infecting their natives with Syphilis and Gonorrhea. If you can find time read the following links for more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11457552 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12739793 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11454789 My only cry is only if we had the political will may be something would be done about our situation. sorry for wasting your time. moe On 11/30/10, moses akuma odims2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Dr. William! I have always seen Aids as a crafted reality that is aimed at continuing the politics of managing the 'vulnerable'. The politics of Poverty and disease is real. I mean at one time all fluids from a human could infect and now mothers can milk themselves to feed their children from cups...One of the couples could have the virus and the other notOh No! Just like we are told to be dependent on God these guys have always designed ways of making us dependent on there prescriptions. What we are discussing is like calling an armed thief by name I hope the thief spares us on this because it is painful to read such provoking experience. Kind Regards Moses Akuma Odims From: William Worodria worod...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 6:30:47 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear Ismail and Gilbert, I have not read this book but the issues therein are very intriguingand no straight forward explanation may be forthcoming. I have come across bits and pieces of these information. Covert issues remain clouded since efforts are made to clean the tracks. The answer to the cause of AIDS raises more questions than answers. Military experiments? From the monkeys? ...These folks have been eating this stuff for generations. Again more questions than answers. We certainly need to know lots more about ourselves, where we come from and who we interact with for what reasons... Worodria From: Adibo Gilbert adibog2...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 13:22:09 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, All this points to us thoroughly using our grey matters and asking critical questions and further to read in between the lines for every foreign development that appears too good. Man, this Capitalist world does not just give away money and any pennies spent serve a purpose whether it be through Charity donations or religious generosity by the so called donor. Certainly, this is is an eye opener subject to the verasity of the authenticity of write up in the book. There is however no smoke without fire-so it is said! It would interest me to read alot further should I come across this particular book. Any ideas where one can reach the text? Time to do some critical thinking and reading between lines, nothing for nothing! Thanks Ismail. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already
Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda
Hello Dr. William! I have always seen Aids as a crafted reality that is aimed at continuing the politics of managing the 'vulnerable'. The politics of Poverty and disease is real. I mean at one time all fluids from a human could infect and now mothers can milk themselves to feed their children from cups...One of the couples could have the virus and the other notOh No! Just like we are told to be dependent on God these guys have always designed ways of making us dependent on there prescriptions. What we are discussing is like calling an armed thief by name I hope the thief spares us on this because it is painful to read such provoking experience. Kind Regards Moses Akuma Odims From: William Worodria worod...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 6:30:47 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear Ismail and Gilbert, I have not read this book but the issues therein are very intriguingand no straight forward explanation may be forthcoming. I have come across bits and pieces of these information. Covert issues remain clouded since efforts are made to clean the tracks. The answer to the cause of AIDS raises more questions than answers. Military experiments? From the monkeys? ...These folks have been eating this stuff for generations. Again more questions than answers. We certainly need to know lots more about ourselves, where we come from and who we interact with for what reasons... Worodria From: Adibo Gilbert adibog2...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 13:22:09 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, All this points to us thoroughly using our grey matters and asking critical questions and further to read in between the lines for every foreign development that appears too good. Man, this Capitalist world does not just give away money and any pennies spent serve a purpose whether it be through Charity donations or religious generosity by the so called donor. Certainly, this is is an eye opener subject to the verasity of the authenticity of write up in the book. There is however no smoke without fire-so it is said! It would interest me to read alot further should I come across this particular book. Any ideas where one can reach the text? Time to do some critical thinking and reading between lines, nothing for nothing! Thanks Ismail. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. 3. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states. On page 164, the author states: In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region. The author further
Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda
A multibillion $ Quiz: Is AIDS a viral or a chemical epidemic? http://www.duesberg.com/presentations/$bnAIDSQuiz.pdf Human Immunodeficiency virus and acquired immunodeficiency syndrome: Correlation but not causation http://www.duesberg.com/about/pdpnas89.html Questioning HIV/AIDS: Morally Reprehensible or Scientifically Warranted?: http://www.duesberg.com/articles/new/2007,%20Bauer,%20JAPSfinal.pdf Kind regards, Maureen --- On Wed, 24/11/10, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 9:05 Kefa, Gilbert, Aldo and members, I have just searched on the internet and gotten the information that this book is available in English and German on sale in Uganda, Kenya and Zambia. Unfortunately I have no specific information which bookshops in Uganda have copies on their shelves. Perhaps by asking on the counter in aristoc or other bookshops, we may get some answers. The copy I laid my hands on is a very old one (with some pages missing) that I got from someone in Arua. I had to make a photocopy of that for myself. As Worodria noted, evidence is systematically destroyed to cover up some of these covert acts. There are some criticisims you will find to Dr. Wollfs' book on the internet (Google - Aids, origin, spread, healing). This is expected of such a sensitive issue. To me what is striking is the references he has made to West Nile in particular - the initial establishment of Kuluva hospital, the building of the airfield. Ismail From: atibuni kefa atibu...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, 24 November, 2010 10:43:47 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, Is it easy to get a copy of this book anywhere in the Ugandan book shelves? Would be glad to get it. Kefa Atibuni 0774133724 --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:17 AM Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark
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Very interesting. Thank you for sharing, as the saying goes, its not who you know, its what you know. Knowledege is power. Thank you and God Bless. Kadara Kursum Akujo From: Maureen Ayikoru ayiko...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, 28 November, 2010 18:16:23 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear Ismail et al., Thanks for bringing to the fore this important subject to the forum. I have finally started receiving postings from the WNF (thanks for this Kiggs). I hope I am not repeating what has already been said. A colleague at my university last year drew my attention to this book by Wolf Geisler and another satirical piece by the fiction write John Le Carré (titled The Constant Gardener) in which the latter exposed Western based pharmaceutical companies in their unethical experimentation (or is it 'acts of charity' where new drugs are trialed on human subjects in Sub- Saharan Africa - in this book, Kibera Slums in Nairobi). While largely fictitious, many who have read this book (I suggest you try reading it) have reason to believe there are striking parallels with real life examples of drug trials in Sub- Saharan Africa and else where. I have tried in vain to trace the Wolf Geisler book on AIDS and surprisingly, I could not even find it on Amazon, perhaps the largest online bookshop in the world. I have however read the Constant Gardener and watched the movie as well; I say it is worth reading. The subject of HIV- AIDS has evidently caused a lot of health, socio-economic and emotional damage to our country and region and the idea that there may be alternative information about causes and spread of this dreadful disease cannot be taken lightly. I have also come across some works that link HIV-AIDS prevalence in Africa in particular with vaccines, (the polio vaccine as an exemplar), something I grew up hearing from my father who generally discouraged us from getting vaccines in the ‘70s and ‘80s. My father had been a student of a certain Prof. JB Jelliff, a pediatrician (I think and perhaps his favourite teacher!) in the early 1960s (at Masaka Medical Assistants Training School), where he picked what I would describe as some cautionary tales from this (American) professor about the dangers of medication to humans in general and vaccines for children in particular, even more so where the constituent elements within the vaccine have not been studied thoroughly. Fast forward to 2009, I came across a documentary on 'the origins of aids' (accessible from here: http://freedocumentaries.org/teatro.php?filmID=123lan=undefinedsize=undefined) that I watched and duly discussed with the old man during his short visit here in London). It was and is still puzzling to see what may have been a working hypothesis for some professor in the 1960s perhaps underpinning some of the unprecedented sufferings we endure today from HIV-AIDS. While I am aware that the evidence is inconclusive, I do believe good science does not or should not rule out alternative hypotheses if its current methods and knowledge base are unable to solve a given problem. I hope someone like Dr William Worodria (and others I am not aware of) will be better placed to investigate some of these issues in the course of their doctoral research sojourn or as a postdoctoral research agenda. I suppose we are faced with three main issues when dealing with experiments on human subjects and potential consequences in the future. First, our brothers and sisters in the medical profession need to be able to undertake research on such issues so that the fight back or any form of advocacy against experimentation will be based on scientific facts they themselves would have contributed to (I am sure one or more of our sons/daughters are already doing that but critical mass is required in this area). Secondly and closely linked with the first issue is a widespread awareness of bioethical issues and the need for very strict ethical clearance before any trials are undertaken, something that is implemented quite rigorously in developed countries. However in the face of weak socio-economic stature and increasingly high moral decay where we indulge more in satisfying out stomachs and less on the general good for society, any strict policies on bioethics may still be good on paper but not implemented in practice. This is where the third issue comes to mind, a civil society group that is well versed with the scientific facts and the policy framework within which bioethical issues operate in the country such that they can act as the vanguard of society with respect to unethical experiments on the masses. These are things that the WNF fraternity can in the future, take up directly or through some of the professionals on the forum who
Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda
Dear All, I read with dismay and utter shock this article on mass experiments that have been carried out in various locations in Uganda, particularly West Nile. The HIV/AIDS pandemic in Sub-saharan Africa had for long been rumoured as a preconceived idea of the Western world to hold control over our destiny. This is evidenced by the in-human acts in the past including slave trade, partitioning and colonization of Africa and the present day neo-colonization through capitalism, World bank/IMF policies etc. This article probably brings out just a tip of the maltitudes of atrocities that our people have endured over the years, at present and generations to come. It is neither too late to act nor seek redress. I know many such gruesome medical experiments in the past e.g. the Nazi doctors experiments during 2nd world war and the Tuskegee syphilis studies in 1940's which shaped the evolution of ethical guidelines regarding medical research on human subjects. I urge all of us to join hands and take this as a matter of concern, investigate where possible and bring to book these atrocious acts of the past and probably seek public apology or even compensation from the perpetrators. Thank you, Aldo Burua From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states. On page 164, the author states: In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region. The author further states: In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease. Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease. Uganda might have been designed as a huge natural experiment. Uganda's AIDS epidemicseems to have started a bit earlier - Uganda is the bellwether for Africa - a case study of the future. On the same page, the first description of the persons in Uganda in 1901 by a British physician, Cook, was:The natives themselves are very intelligent, clean and spendidly developed physically. Malignant diseases are however not neraly as frequent as they are at home (Great Britain) and appear to run a slower course. Dr. Wolf further explains that; - In 1936, the yellow fever research institute was founded in Entebbe, an institution set by the British government and rockerfeller foundation. - In 1938, a mountain road was built from Fort Portal in Bwamba region, which was the most isolated county in Uganda and in 1942, the rockefeller institute was then active there. - In 1939 - the Arua airport was constructed in West Nile without any recognisable reason. The reason given was the beef in Arua to be specially good tasting and was therefore to be flown to Kampala, 800 km away. - In 1940 - the West Nile Virus was demonstrated - In 1941 - the Bwamba fever virus - In i944 - the semilik forest virus in Bwamba - In
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Dear all, I would like to get a copy of this book , if any of you gets it, please let me know and if you have other information about any research that has been done on humans or clinical trials where the rights of the participants have been abused, please let me know we are planning to do some assessment next year to understand how grave the issues are then do evidence-based advocacy on transparency and accountability of clinical trials and research work in East Africa.Such evidence would be useful. Thanks Christine On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Stephen Ogua Adraka so155...@gmail.comwrote: Dear members, I am not sure if you received my first mail. Let me try again. The message of Banduga Ismail triggered in my mind what Fr. John Mary Waliggo stated on 7th June 2005 regarding optimism for Africa and the African: *The key messages ... can be summarized as follows: African is indeed written off from the map of the world. Africa has no future. Africa, unlike Asia or Latin America, has failed to solve its endemic problems. Because of their irresponsible use of sex and sexuality, Africans will be fully decimated by the HIV/AIDS and other people will come to inhabit their land *. Read morehttp://www.ucmb.co.ug/data%20on%20ucmb/news/Amecea%20for%20website/AMECEA%202005%20Waliggo%20long.pdf I have attached above, in pdf formatt, a parallel article from Mukazo Mukazo Vunda, *Demystifying a Continent: Tactical Confusion in an Undeclared Germ Warfare Scenario*, which appeared on 24 August 2010 in a blog entitled Coherent Madness: Effective Defense Against Covert Warfarehttp://coherent-madness.blogspot.com/. Mukazo Mukazo Vunda affirms HIV/AIDS ...* is definitely a synthetic virus, and it was not made for the whole world, but for Sub-Saharan Africa alone, including in this bracket a few other places outside the realm of this region that are on the radar of those who are fixated on genocide*. Fellow citizens of West Nile, let us keep the flag of our fraternity high and help the less informed West Nilers be critical in reading the signs of the times and act responsibly. History has seen great empires and kingdoms collapse. I am optimistic that one day we shall overcome the odium and prejudices of those perpetuating genocide on our land. Wishing well to all of you! Steve Ogua On 14 November 2010 20:10, Stephen Ogua Adraka so155...@gmail.comwrote: On 14 November 2010 12:24, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled *AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing* by *Wolf Geisler*, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by *Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases.* In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. *97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying.* 2. *The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles.* 3. *The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states.* On page 164, the author states: *In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region.* The author further states: - *In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease.* - *Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease.* - *Uganda might have been designed as a huge natural experiment.* - *Uganda's AIDS epidemicseems to have started a bit
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Vasco, Timothy Kalyegira wrote one time a good piece on the trails of AIDS following the Wakombozi ibto Uganda in on eof those pieces he did about former president Idd Amin, challenging people about the former prsedident's purported atrocities. I shall do data mining and get that particular article pasted here some time shortly. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 9:39:30 AM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Vasco, Thank you for this response and suggesting a sense of direction. Since I posted this on the net, I hadn't seen any response and I was wondering whether it was a subject members considered less important or too sensitive to talk about. You are right, investigative journalistic approach, if well conducted to conclusion should be able to give us more insight. Recently, I read an investigative piece in the Sunday Vision discovery magazine about the sophisticated military tactics the Kabalega of Bunyoro used to resist the British for 8 years, the underground tunnels and granaries. I thought that was a good piece which I did not know before. Steven Candia, if you are still on the investigative desk of New Vision, please consider looking at this. When I Dr. Wolfs' book for the first time, it reminded me of something I used to year when I was a small boy growing up; there were some people referred to us Kulia bantu. We were told not to go on the road alone or stay out too late because of these people. I asked some elderly persons who those people (kulia bantu) were and what were they actually going to children. Two of the elders narrated to me, the kulia bantu would actually take children they find lonely on the road to some distant places and remove blood samples from them. What they did with the blood samples was not known. Ismail From: Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 19:17:54 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. 3. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states
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Ismail, Those issues raise eyebrows. I have always wondered why and how some Virus came to be called West Nile Virus!! Why hasn't flu virus taken the name from its original geographical discovery location? Just being curious here. There is alot therein. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 1:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Kefa, Gilbert, Aldo and members, I have just searched on the internet and gotten the information that this book is available in English and German on sale in Uganda, Kenya and Zambia. Unfortunately I have no specific information which bookshops in Uganda have copies on their shelves. Perhaps by asking on the counter in aristoc or other bookshops, we may get some answers. The copy I laid my hands on is a very old one (with some pages missing) that I got from someone in Arua. I had to make a photocopy of that for myself. As Worodria noted, evidence is systematically destroyed to cover up some of these covert acts. There are some criticisims you will find to Dr. Wollfs' book on the internet (Google - Aids, origin, spread, healing). This is expected of such a sensitive issue. To me what is striking is the references he has made to West Nile in particular - the initial establishment of Kuluva hospital, the building of the airfield. Ismail From: atibuni kefa atibu...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, 24 November, 2010 10:43:47 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, Is it easy to get a copy of this book anywhere in the Ugandan book shelves? Would be glad to get it. Kefa Atibuni 0774133724 --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:17 AM Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. 3. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some
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Ismail, All this points to us thoroughly using our grey matters and asking critical questions and further to read in between the lines for every foreign development that appears too good. Man, this Capitalist world does not just give away money and any pennies spent serve a purpose whether it be through Charity donations or religious generosity by the so called donor. Certainly, this is is an eye opener subject to the verasity of the authenticity of write up in the book. There is however no smoke without fire-so it is said! It would interest me to read alot further should I come across this particular book. Any ideas where one can reach the text? Time to do some critical thinking and reading between lines, nothing for nothing! Thanks Ismail. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. 3. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states. On page 164, the author states: In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region. The author further states: * In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease. * Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease. * Uganda might have been designed as a huge natural experiment. * Uganda's AIDS epidemicseems to have started a bit earlier - Uganda is the bellwether for Africa - a case study of the future. On the same page, the first description of the persons in Uganda in 1901 by a British physician, Cook, was:The natives themselves are very intelligent, clean and spendidly developed physically. Malignant diseases are however not neraly as frequent as they are at home (Great Britain) and appear to run a slower course. Dr. Wolf further explains that; - In 1936, the yellow fever research institute was founded in Entebbe, an institution set by the British government and rockerfeller foundation. - In 1938, a mountain road was built from Fort Portal in Bwamba region, which was the most isolated county in Uganda and in 1942, the rockefeller institute was then active there. - In 1939 - the Arua airport was constructed in West Nile without any recognisable reason. The reason given was the beef in Arua to be specially good tasting and was therefore to be flown to Kampala, 800 km away. - In 1940 - the West Nile Virus was demonstrated - In 1941 - the Bwamba fever virus - In i944 - the semilik forest virus in Bwamba - In 1946 - the Bunyamvera virus and Mengo encephalitis virus. Where Cook had found comparatively few diseases in 1901 in the densely populated, highly agriculturally cultivated country, now world wide unique clusters of rare diseases and agents are found. On page 165, the author states: In Uganda, people from the West Nile district in particular were used as
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Dear Ismail and Gilbert, I have not read this book but the issues therein are very intriguingand no straight forward explanation may be forthcoming. I have come across bits and pieces of these information. Covert issues remain clouded since efforts are made to clean the tracks. The answer to the cause of AIDS raises more questions than answers. Military experiments? From the monkeys? ...These folks have been eating this stuff for generations. Again more questions than answers. We certainly need to know lots more about ourselves, where we come from and who we interact with for what reasons... Worodria From: Adibo Gilbert adibog2...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 13:22:09 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, All this points to us thoroughly using our grey matters and asking critical questions and further to read in between the lines for every foreign development that appears too good. Man, this Capitalist world does not just give away money and any pennies spent serve a purpose whether it be through Charity donations or religious generosity by the so called donor. Certainly, this is is an eye opener subject to the verasity of the authenticity of write up in the book. There is however no smoke without fire-so it is said! It would interest me to read alot further should I come across this particular book. Any ideas where one can reach the text? Time to do some critical thinking and reading between lines, nothing for nothing! Thanks Ismail. Gilbert From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:24:48 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. 3. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states. On page 164, the author states: In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region. The author further states: * In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease. * Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease. * Uganda might have been designed as a huge natural experiment. * Uganda's AIDS epidemicseems to have started a bit earlier - Uganda is the bellwether for Africa - a case study of the future. On the same page, the first description of the persons in Uganda in 1901 by a British physician, Cook, was:The natives themselves are very intelligent, clean and spendidly developed physically. Malignant diseases are however not neraly as frequent as they are at home (Great Britain) and appear to run a slower course. Dr. Wolf further explains that; - In 1936, the yellow fever research institute was founded in Entebbe, an institution set by the British government
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Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled *AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing* by *Wolf Geisler*, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by *Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases.* In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. *97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying.* 2. *The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles.* 3. *The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states.* On page 164, the author states: *In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region.* The author further states: - *In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease.* - *Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease.* - *Uganda might have been designed as a huge natural experiment.* - *Uganda's AIDS epidemicseems to have started a bit earlier - Uganda is the bellwether for Africa - a case study of the future. * On the same page, the first description of the persons in Uganda in 1901 by a British physician, Cook, was:*The natives themselves are very intelligent, clean and spendidly developed physically*. *Malignant diseases are however not neraly as frequent as they are at home (Great Britain) and appear to run a slower course.* Dr. Wolf further explains that; - In 1936, the yellow fever research institute was founded in Entebbe, an institution set by the British government and rockerfeller foundation. - In 1938, a mountain road was built from Fort Portal in Bwamba region, which was the most isolated county in Uganda and in 1942, the rockefeller institute was then active there. - In 1939 - the Arua airport was constructed in West Nile without any recognisable reason. The reason given was the beef in Arua to be specially good tasting and was therefore to be flown to Kampala, 800 km away. - In 1940 - the West Nile Virus was demonstrated - In 1941 - the Bwamba fever virus - In i944 - the semilik forest virus in Bwamba - In 1946 - the Bunyamvera virus and Mengo encephalitis virus. Where Cook had found comparatively few diseases in 1901 in the densely populated, highly agriculturally cultivated country, now world wide unique clusters of rare diseases and agents are found. On page 165, the author
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Vasco, Thank you for this response and suggesting a sense of direction. Since I posted this on the net, I hadn't seen any response and I was wondering whether it was a subject members considered less important or too sensitive to talk about. You are right, investigative journalistic approach, if well conducted to conclusion should be able to give us more insight. Recently, I read an investigative piece in the Sunday Vision discovery magazine about the sophisticated military tactics the Kabalega of Bunyoro used to resist the British for 8 years, the underground tunnels and granaries. I thought that was a good piece which I did not know before. Steven Candia, if you are still on the investigative desk of New Vision, please consider looking at this. When I Dr. Wolfs' book for the first time, it reminded me of something I used to year when I was a small boy growing up; there were some people referred to us Kulia bantu. We were told not to go on the road alone or stay out too late because of these people. I asked some elderly persons who those people (kulia bantu) were and what were they actually going to children. Two of the elders narrated to me, the kulia bantu would actually take children they find lonely on the road to some distant places and remove blood samples from them. What they did with the blood samples was not known. Ismail From: Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 19:17:54 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 1. 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. 2. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. 3. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states. On page 164, the author states: In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region. The author further states: * In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease. * Uganda is particularly
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Thank you for sharing .I too remember my grandmother talking about not going out in the night or going to Arab stores because the Niamuniamu would catch you take you into slavery, much laterI was researching info. about my family from Odrupele (Dufele) I found out that indeed their was a tribe called Niam Niam during the time of EminPasha who were taken into slavery instead of the Madi, who apparently they could not force in slavery, This is a study done by Univ. of New York UCLA . I say this as an example of what our grandparents tell us as a story / warning but most times we don't take them seriously. I think all these things from our elders merits some reasearch.Case in point is that people said that AIDS was brought to Uganda by the Tanzanians, who inturn got it from gay US NAVYservice men who docked at the ports there. We shouldn't quickly discount these Stories because some of them may have the truth tucked in somwhere , after remember that we almost became ISRAEL in 1948 !!When we are quiet about things that's when we get used abused. We should be able to discuss things sensitive ir not.. R.KOZOA From: banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 11:39:30 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Vasco, Thank you for this response and suggesting a sense of direction. Since I posted this on the net, I hadn't seen any response and I was wondering whether it was a subject members considered less important or too sensitive to talk about. You are right, investigative journalistic approach, if well conducted to conclusion should be able to give us more insight. Recently, I read an investigative piece in the Sunday Vision discovery magazine about the sophisticated military tactics the Kabalega of Bunyoro used to resist the British for 8 years, the underground tunnels and granaries. I thought that was a good piece which I did not know before. Steven Candia, if you are still on the investigative desk of New Vision, please consider looking at this. When I Dr. Wolfs' book for the first time, it reminded me of something I used to year when I was a small boy growing up; there were some people referred to us Kulia bantu. We were told not to go on the road alone or stay out too late because of these people. I asked some elderly persons who those people (kulia bantu) were and what were they actually going to children. Two of the elders narrated to me, the kulia bantu would actually take children they find lonely on the road to some distant places and remove blood samples from them. What they did with the blood samples was not known. Ismail From: Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 23 November, 2010 19:17:54 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among
Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda
Ismail, Is it easy to get a copy of this book anywhere in the Ugandan book shelves? Would be glad to get it. Kefa Atibuni 0774133724 --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:17 AM Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be producedany of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail bani...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: 97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying. The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles. The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states. On page 164, the author states: In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, .. and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region. The author further states: In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred. The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease. Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease. Uganda might have been designed as a huge natural experiment. Uganda's AIDS epidemicseems to have started a bit earlier - Uganda is the bellwether for Africa - a case study of the future. On the same page, the first description of the persons in Uganda in 1901 by a British physician, Cook, was:The natives themselves are very intelligent, clean and spendidly developed physically. Malignant diseases are however not neraly as frequent as they are at home (Great Britain) and appear to run a slower course. Dr. Wolf further explains that; - In 1936, the yellow fever research institute was founded in Entebbe, an institution set by the British government and rockerfeller foundation. - In 1938, a mountain road was built from Fort Portal in Bwamba region, which was the most isolated county in Uganda and in 1942, the rockefeller institute was then active there. - In 1939 - the Arua airport was constructed in West Nile without any recognisable reason. The reason given was the beef in Arua to be specially good tasting and was therefore to be flown to Kampala, 800 km away. - In 1940 - the West Nile Virus was demonstrated - In 1941 - the Bwamba fever virus - In i944
