Re: [Wikidata-l] [WikiIT-l] next 2 rounds of arbitrary access coming up
Il 13/mag/2015 18:37, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com ha scritto: Lydia Pintscher, 13/05/2015 17:20: * 1. June: Italian Wikipedia, all remaining Wikisource A great way for Italian Wikipedians to feast on the 2nb june, Festa della Repubblica! :) And also a perfect gift for my 30th birthday. :P ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
2015-05-08 15:33 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: +1. The Wikimedia community has been long able to think of all the Wikimedia projects as an organic whole. Software, on the other hand, too often forced innatural divisions. Wiktionary, Wikipedia, Commons and Wikiquote (to name the main cases) link to each other all the time in a constructive division of labour. It makes no sense to make connections between them harder. I start from here, since Nemo got the point IMHO: the fact that every project has its own scope doesn't imply that the whole of the community works on different scopes - we just decided to split up our duties among ourselves. But it's not just that. TL;DR: Wikidata and Wiktionary deal with the same things (concepts), therefore are best-suited for each other, given some needed adaptations. Structured Data and Structured Wikiquote deal with different things (objects), therefore are not to be considered good examples. Long version here: In theory, one might just agree that a separate instance of Wikibase might be the best solution for Wiktionary, but Structured Data and Structured Wikiquote are different from a theoretical Structured Wiktionary, because they respectively deal with images, quotes and words. Images and quotes are describable *objects*, as the Wiki* articles/pages are, and there are billions and billions of those objects out there. This is the main, if not just the only, reason why we *have* to put up a separate instance of Wikibase to deal with them: thinking that Wikidata might deal with such an infinite task is just nuts. Words, on the other hands, are describable *concepts*, not objects. They can be linked one another by relation, they have synonyms and opposites, they can be regrouped or separated, etcetera, which is exactly what we're currently doing with Wikidata items. I know, words are even more than images and quotes, so it would be even more nuts to think to deal with this just with Wikidata - but Wikidata is *already* structured for dealing with concepts, making it the best choice for integrating data from Wiktionary. In other words, Wikidata and Wiktionary both work with *concepts*, while all the other projects work with *objects*. From a more practical point of view, why should I have a Wikidata item about, say, present tense[1] *AND* a completely similar item on Structured Wiktionary? It's the same concept, why should I have it in two different-yet-linked databases, belonging to and maintained by the very same community? Why can't we work something out to keep all informations just in one database? This is why I think that setting up a separate Wikibase for Wiktionary might end up in doubling our efforts and splitting our communities, which is exactly the opposite of what we need to do (halving the efforts and doubling the community).[2] Sorry for the long post. :) [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192613 [2] Not sure if I have to remark this, but please, PLEASE, note this is just an exaggeration for argument's sake, I have of course no data that might confirm factually that the WD community will surge by 100%. I just want to make clear my concept (heh). -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
2015-05-07 14:28 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: However we also need to look into the future. Wiktionary support needs a lot of input to make sure we're doing the right thing. And it's good to give that time. Totally agree with that. There's plenty of work to do for the team, we all know that, but *one day* we'd have to figure out how to deal with Wiktionary. It's just something that *has* to happen. This doesn't mean at all it should become our first or only thought, everybody knows that there are at least two or three concerns that should have priority at the moment, but not even Denny was suggesting that. He was merely suggesting to restart thinking about something that, sooner or later, we'll have to deal with and to estabilish a break down of the tasks needed to get this done. Sorry for being blunt, but not even the Structured Data project for Commons - which is indeed a top-priority thing at the moment - would have started with this attitude. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Making queries on Wikibase
Sorry, all the mails were lost in the mare magnum of my full inbox, and I forgot to thank you all for your answers. :) L. 2015-04-30 12:07 GMT+02:00 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org: On 30.04.2015 11:25, Jean-Baptiste Pressac wrote: Hello, Does this also means that the RDF data available via for instance http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q235382.nt or http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q235382 could not be queried via SPARQL unless you download the .nt file and use for instance Jena ARQ https://jena.apache.org/documentation/query/index.html on your own computer ? Maybe not your computer, but somebody has to download the data in some way in order for it to be queried. Query answering is a complicated process that does not usually work on the fly, and somebody has to do the math in the end. There are some approaches to explore linked data in a query-like manner in real time, but it should be clear that this will always take much longer than if you have downloaded the data first. Does this also means that there is no use to publish RDF data linking to Wikidata like for instance : @prefix mydata: http://mydata.fr/ . @prefix cidoc: http://www.cidoc-crm.org/cidoc-crm/ . @prefix wikidata: http://www.wikidata.org/entity/ mydata:event/1 a cidoc:E67_Birth ; cidoc:P98_brought_into_life mydata:person/80 ; cidoc:P7_took_place_at wikidata:Q235382 ; This is still a useful thing to do for several reasons. First of all, the link connects your data and clarifies its meaning. This is useful to consumers who find your data. Second, there are linked data crawlers that aggregate linked data from many sources to provide you with a query service. OpenLink is running one such service, and if they managed to find your data, you could use their service to issue queries. Regards, Markus Thanks, Jean-Baptiste Pressac Traitement et analyse de bases de données Production et diffusion de corpus numériques Centre de Recherche Bretonne et Celtique Unité mixte de service (UMS) 3554 20 rue Duquesne CS 93837 29238 Brest cedex 3 tel : +33 (0)2 98 01 68 95 fax : +33 (0)2 98 01 63 93 Le 29/04/2015 21:44, Markus Krötzsch a écrit : On 29.04.2015 20:56, Luca Martinelli wrote: Dear all, I need to know about the possibility of making queries on a Wikibase instance. I think it is possible to make queries on data on a particular instance only with external tools at the moment, right? Yes, this is correct. The SPARQL query support that we currently offer is obtained by making an RDF export and loading it into a SPARQL database (we use Virtuoso but you could also use BlazeGraph, for example; both have free and open source versions and are not hard to install overall; if your data is not so large, you could also try Jena; there are further open source RDF databases, but these are the most prominent right now I think). The RDF export, too, is not currently generated by Wikibase. However, Wikidata Toolkit, which we use to make the RDF dumps, can be used with data from any Wikibase installation in theory. In practice, nobody has asked for this yet and we might have to make a few adjustments to really get it to work in a convenient way. For a start, I don't know what kind of export options a standalone Wikibase offers you at the moment. We can use the usual XML-based page dump if it contains valid JSON for a change (this was not the case for Wikidata last time I checked ...). Better yet would be the JSON exports, but I don't know if you can generate them with vanilla Wikibase or if WMF is using some special tools for this. Anyway, it can't be too hard to make this work and once it is done you would have a query service that is at the same level as the one of Wikidata. You could even combine data from more than one Wiki in one RDF database, e.g., to run queries over data from both. Regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Making queries on Wikibase
Dear all, I need to know about the possibility of making queries on a Wikibase instance. I think it is possible to make queries on data on a particular instance only with external tools at the moment, right? Thanks for the answer. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
2015-03-10 17:10 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de: Am 10.03.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Luca Martinelli: 2015-03-10 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? The possibility of talking with WMF projects, as Wikidata talks with all the other projects... Only if it's also hosted on the WMF cluster. Or we implement http based federation (planned, but a lot of work, and waaay down there on the prio list). Of course, it was just an idea. BTW, maybe related: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/OSMdata:_a_Wikidata-like_editor_for_OpenStreetMap L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata
2015-03-10 15:08 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de: Am 10.03.2015 um 14:31 schrieb Amir E. Aharoni: If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it. A separate Wikibase instance, federated with Wikidata sounds ideal (but the federation bit will need work). Scalability is an issue though. Wikibase is designed to scale to a few hundred million items. I suspect that OSM would need a couple of orders of magnitude more... A separate Wikibase instance that could serve both OSM and Wikivoyage, maybe? Might be useful for both to keep the data about shops, restaurants, hotels, commercial whatelses and whatnots in the same instance, but keeping it separated by the official Wikidata... -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] descriptions in mobile app
015-02-08 14:07 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: I'd rather see it not as something terribly disappointing, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently. +1. L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Open Data Awards
Break a leg, team! L. 2014-10-28 7:23 GMT+01:00 Stryn strynw...@gmail.com: Great, Good luck! Stryn Sent from Windows Phone Lähettäjä: John Lewis Lähetetty: 28.10.2014 1:55 Vastaanottaja: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Aihe: [Wikidata-l] Open Data Awards Hi everyone, Some exciting news here. The Open Data Awards' finalists lists were recently published on their website. Wikidata has been listed as a finalist in two different categories which are the Open Data Innovation Award and the Open Data Publisher Award. Lydia and Magnus will be representing Wikidata at the gala dinner where the winner of each category will be announced live. I will be standing in as a backup should Lydia be unable to attend the award dinner but let's wish Lydia and Magnus a good time and keep our fingers crossed that Wikidata will win at least one of the two categories we've been nominated for. As Lydia would say - the entire community is awesome for working to help build Wikidata to where it is and this is as much as all of our work as it is the development team's for helping build and innovate the way free knowledge is shared within the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation. Thanks, John Lewis -- John Lewis ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects
2014-10-22 15:48 GMT+02:00 James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: It's no problem if multiple redirects link to the same place. For example, on en-wiki, we have Luke Havell (redirect)- Havell family Robert Havell (redirect) - Havell family Daniel Havell (redirect) - Havell family etc It's no problem if we have different items Q(Luke Havell) - Luke Havell (redirect) Q(Robert Havell) - Robert Havell (redirect) Q(Daniel Havell) - Daniel Havell (redirect) different items, for different people, sitelinked to different places on en-wiki, that happen to be redirects. While I can concur that we may need to have different items to link to single members of a family, because of $good_reason, I do not see any good reason to have redirects in those items, because of the example that Nikola made: 2014-10-22 19:04 GMT+02:00 Smolenski Nikola smole...@eunet.rs: Q(Coat of Arms of Novi Sad) - Coat of Arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad Q(something) - Coat of arms of Novi Sad - Novi Sad Q(something) - Coat of arms of novi sad - Novi Sad We *can* have different items with no links if this fulfils practical needs, it's in [[WD:N]] since the beginning of the project (more or less). L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before
Il 13/ott/2014 14:07 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de ha scritto: Can you identify which change exactly is the problem, and why it is problematic? +1 I'm sorry, but I edited today Wikidata after a while, and I didn't noticed anything *that* problematic to prevented me to edit. L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] all human genes are now wikidata items
This is absolutely awesome! Congratulations for your work! L. 2014-10-06 22:21 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Good ben.mcgee.g...@gmail.com: I thought folks might like to know that every human gene (according to the United States National Center for Biotechnology Information) now has a representative entity on wikidata. I hope that these are the seeds for some amazing applications in biology and medicine. Well done Andra and ProteinBoxBot ! For example: Here is one (of approximately 40,000) called spinocerebellar ataxia 37 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18081265 -Ben ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Lighthouse
Ahem... is it possible to ask for an English translation, at least? :) L. 2014-09-24 10:20 GMT+02:00 Markus Bärlocher markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de: Liebe WD-Spezialisten, OpenSeaMap möchte die Leuchtfeuer-Daten in WD verbessern :-) Test: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1821432uselang=de _Quelle_ Habe eine neue Quelle für die Koordinate eingefügt. Da steht jetzt die neue Koordinate, und als Quelle OSM. Wie kann ich die Quelle genau angeben: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/330119702 _neue Aussage_ Mit Name und Koordinate und Bauwerk ist das Objekt unzureichend beschrieben ;-) - Wie kann ich weitere Aussagen hinzufügen? - Wie definiere ich die Struktur einer Aussage? (z.B. range=Tragweite in Seemeilen) - Wie kann ich dafür sorgen, dass diese Aussagen /allen/ Objekten in der Kategorie Lighthouse zur Auswahl angeboten werden? - Wie erzeuge ich eine Kategorie Lighthouse bzw. Nautical light? - Wie erzeuge ich Unterkategorien? Vielleicht kann das hier jemand nachvollziehbar erklären (deutsch) und am Beispiel Kiel exemplarisch umsetzen? Wäre super! _Verlinkung_ Wie kann man automatisch einfügen: - WD-Link in das korrespondierende OSM-Objekt - WD-Link in WP (ist vermutlich über WD automatisch verlinkt?) - OSM-Link in WD - OSM-Link in WP (ist vermutlich über WD automatisch verlinkt?) - WP-Links in WD (ist vermutlich über WD automatisch verlinkt?) - WP-Link in OSM (ist vermutlich über WD automatisch verlinkt?) Wie findet WD alle relevanten WP-Versionen? Wie findet WD die relevante Commons-Kategorie? Mit herzlichem Gruss, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items
2014-09-09 13:36 GMT+02:00 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org: My proposal became more clear to me over lunch: *** cut *** Markus, yuo are of genius! (cit.) :) /me deletes straight away his own proposal L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons
Ok, I got the point. What you probably need to consider is that focusing on one goal does not mean at all that we have to dismiss all the others. At least, *I* do not think so. You want to focus on research? Fine, do it. I'd like to focus on templates. That's fine too, I guess. We're both working to let Wikidata be appreciated - by separate audiences. L. Il 19/ago/2014 07:57 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, What is the point of Wiktionary, WIkipedia, Wikispecies et al as a WMF project? Like Wikidata they all help us share in the sum of all knowledge. Wikidata already provides an application in being the vehicle for interlanguage links. The low hanging fruit of Wikidata is not sharing info in templates, it is in providing search results where a Wikipedia does NOT have an article. It is used for this and it does have a measurable impact. It is nice to have the ambition to share data in templates but be realistic. The quality of the data in Wikidata does not merit this at this time. The community insists on sources and frankly it is assassine to expect that in the first few years it will be available near the level that some demand. This is only based on the data that is there. That is the next problem we do not have enough data. We are still at the stage where we are harvesting data for the first time. Harvesting big amounts, not one item at a time. It is important to have goals, and it is nice that at the start providing data to templates was seen as an initial goal. However it will not be like with Pallas Athena when she came from the head of Zeus in full armour. This goal is achievable and we are making big strides in that direction BUT we need smaller goals, small applications that grow our content in both quality and quantity. As I wrote on my blog, we need to think in terms of confidence in our data and not so much in sources. Amir is finishing a tool that will allow us to compare data for humans in the English, German and Italian Wikipedia. That will be a massive step in the right direction. I care about Wikidata and I know that at this time those freakingly hard templates are the least of our worries. More problematic is that people think of Wikidata as a service product for Wikipedia and limit their thinking to templates. The existing search extension with WDQ is there. It works really well. It is dismissed probably because it demonstrates that ALL Wikipedias cover less than 50% of the subjects known to us. We know all of them because of Wikidata. So yeah by all means blow the horn about our aspiration of servicing templates in those projects that can handle this. It is fine. It is not realistic and even counter productive as an aspiration when we do not appreciate the reality as we have it at this time. Thanks, GerardM On 18 August 2014 14:41, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-17 17:00 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one application. There are so many potential applications for structured data and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it (in the Wikimedia projects) so there are opportunities galore. For people not to know how to is a given. I do not care to know about Wikipedia templates because they are freaking impossibly hard. Yet, if we don't use the Wikidata data in the freaking impossibly hard Wikipedia templates, what is the point of Wikidata as a Wikimedia project? I remember that this project had among its first goals to help disseminate structured data on all Wikimedia projects, in order to relieve the less-crowded WMF projects of their burden in managing such data and to let their few users focus on writing/translating/expanding their articles. Now, if we don't show to people on the WMF project - even the bigger ones - that Wikidata IS useful by helping them in retrieving these data, what is the point of this project? There are so many potential application, I know, yet THIS IS ONE OF THEM -- and in my personal and humble opinion a damn important one. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons
2014-08-17 17:00 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one application. There are so many potential applications for structured data and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it (in the Wikimedia projects) so there are opportunities galore. For people not to know how to is a given. I do not care to know about Wikipedia templates because they are freaking impossibly hard. Yet, if we don't use the Wikidata data in the freaking impossibly hard Wikipedia templates, what is the point of Wikidata as a Wikimedia project? I remember that this project had among its first goals to help disseminate structured data on all Wikimedia projects, in order to relieve the less-crowded WMF projects of their burden in managing such data and to let their few users focus on writing/translating/expanding their articles. Now, if we don't show to people on the WMF project - even the bigger ones - that Wikidata IS useful by helping them in retrieving these data, what is the point of this project? There are so many potential application, I know, yet THIS IS ONE OF THEM -- and in my personal and humble opinion a damn important one. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Summary #122
No, because you can live in that fictional universe, yet never appear in a particular book of the series. L. Il 17/ago/2014 15:41 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, I am confused.. is that not the same ? Thanks, GerardM On 17 August 2014 15:38, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: They are slightly different. One refers to the work the character appears in, and the other refers to the fictional universe. For instance: Frodo Baggins (Q177329) present in work The Lord of the Rings (Q15228) Frodo Baggins (Q177329) from narrative or fictional universe Tolkien's legendarium (Q81738) Cheers, Micru On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Sjoerd de Bruin sjoerddebr...@me.com wrote: Hello, So we have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1441 now. What's the difference between that property and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1080 ? Greetings, Sjoerd de Bruin sjoerddebr...@me.com Op 17 aug. 2014, om 15:27 heeft John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi everyone, You can view the latest summary at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/2014_08_16. Discussions - Open RfOS: John F. Lewis https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Oversight/John_F._Lewis Other Noteworthy Stuff - Help choose which banner will be featured on the new Main page! Click here to view the two banner candidates https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Portal_Redesign/Banner#Candidates and leave your feedback before August 20th 16:00 UTC. - Wikidata Translate https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/wdtranslate, a Wikidata-based Google translator open source clone. Did you know? - Newest properties: journey destination https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1444, score method https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1443, grave picture https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1442, present in work https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1441, Fide ID https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1440, Norsk filmografi ID https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1439, Jewish Encyclopedia ID https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1438, plea https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1437, collection size https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1436 - Newest WikiProjects https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProjects: WikiProject Movies https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies Development - Finished a large number of new features and got them ready for roll-out. More in this email https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2014-August/004328.html . - Wikibase made a big step forward to finally switch to DataModel 1.0. - Improved support for entity IDs bigger than 2 billion (32 bit integer). - We had to adapt Wikibase to some major changes (more major than usual, partly caused by discussions at Wikimania) in MediaWiki core: The default Vector skin became it’s own component and the ResourceLoader got some small but important updates. - Continued work on refactoring code of the user interface to make it ready for new design - Wrote a script to get number of users having wikidata in their recent changes/watchlist from the database See current sprint items http://sb.wmflabs.org/p/wikidata/ for what we’re working on next. You can see all open bugs related to Wikidata here https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?emailcc1=1list_id=151540resolution=---emailtype1=exactemailassigned_to1=1query_format=advancedemail1=wikidata-bugs%40lists.wikimedia.org Monthly Tasks - Hack on one of these https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteer%2C%20keywords_type=allwordsemailcc1=1resolution=---emailtype1=exactemailassigned_to1=1query_format=advancedemail1=wikidata-bugs%40lists.wikimedia.orglist_id=162515 . - Help fix these items https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:The_Game/Flagged_items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game. - Help develop the next summary here! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next - Contribute to a Showcase item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Showcase ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons
Actually, this is important - it is just that may be extended also to all projects and not just limited to Commons. One of the main limitations, sometimes, is that people do not know how to actually import data from Wikidata into their templates. A bit of help or, G*d forgive me, some documentation would be interesting. L. Il 17/ago/2014 15:06 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, I may be stupid, but for me there is no reason in there that will help us in what we do. For me reasons to wikidatify multi media files are: - bring labels to Commons that are inherently multi lingual - this will enable search in multiple languages - it will make it easy to associate photos with the subject matter - bringing structured data to licenses - this will make them intelligible in many languages - it will allow for easy categorisation of images that are considered problematic - it will allow for an easy world wide inclusion once a free license becomes available Sorry but what you write is only technical, hard to understand and does not motivate at all because it lacks any reason why we should do this. Thanks, GerardM On 17 August 2014 10:54, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_ Structured_Data_for_Commons The aim of of the WikiProject Structured Data for Commons is: *To develop templates that draw directly on Wikidata (and in future also on Commons Wikibase), that will act as drop-in replacements for templates currently in use on Commons. *To develop new templates that can bring new functionality to Commons filepages (eg topics listings) *To support the cataloguing of particularly idiosyncratic templates currently in use on Commons (eg institutional credit/backlink templates, and other source templates), and try to produce more generalised, standardised forms that can draw on Wikidata. *To work with other WikiProjects on Wikidata to understand, document and develop the data models on Wikidata, and make sure that they are sufficient to accommodate the needs of GLAM organisations and others currently or in future uploading or maintaining metadata on Commons. *To start to port existing such data that can be represented in structured form, and is appropriate to do so, from Commons to Wikidata *To examine the divide between what should be stored on Wikidata and what should be stored on the proposed Commons Wikibase. *To support, as a user-space community, the work of the staffers developing Commons Wikibase and other aspects of the Foundation initiative for Structured Data for Commons in any way we can. Sign up now! Talk-page comments, or wholescale re-editing, of this essay at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata/How_ GLAMs_can_help_the_Structured_Data_for_Commons_initiative also very welcome. -- J. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons Wikibase
More info on http://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multimedia/Structured_Data and http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimedia_Commons/Development Cheers, L. Il 15/ago/2014 20:19 Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com ha scritto: Hey, So I heard on another mailing list that Commons is getting its own installation of Wikibase along with using Wikidata? Is this true, and if so, where might I find more information about it? Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] upcoming API change (wblinktitle)
Hi Lydia, this sounds as a major step for Wikidata, but... can you (or someone else) please explain it a bit further? I'm doing my part in communicating WD changes to the Italian wiki-communities, and since the Commons issue might be interesting also for other stuff, I'd like to know a bit more. (Love the kitten) L. 2014-07-04 17:55 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: Hey folks :) Next week we will deploy an API change in preparation for support for Wikimedia Commons. wblinktitle will return a prefixed ID starting Tuesday night if there are no complications: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52732 This is necessary as Commons support will break the assumption that our identifiers are always of the form someletter+number like for example Q1234. Sorry for the disruption. If you need help with adapting your tools please let me know. Cheers Lydia PS: Jeroen forced me to attach a cat to this email so here you go: /\_/\ =( °w° )= ) ( // (__ __)// -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans
We may possibly use an ad hoc item City of United Kingdom, subclass of city and UK administrative division, may we? L. Il 10/giu/2014 10:21 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org ha scritto: On 07/06/14 00:40, Joe Filceolaire wrote: Well they can ask. As there is no real definition of what is a city and what the limits of each city are I'm not sure they will get a useful answer. The population of the City of London (Q23311), for instance, is only 7,375! Should we change it from 'instance of:city' to 'instance of:village'? Side remark: in the UK, city and town are special legal statuses of settlements. This terminology is what City of London refers to. There is a clear and crisp definition for what this means, but it is not what we mean by our class city in Wikidata. In particular, this has no direct relationship to size: the largest UK towns have over 100k inhabitants. The class city is used for relatively large and permanent human settlement[s] [1], which does not say much (because the vagueness of relatively). Maybe we should even wonder if city is a good class to use in Wikidata. Saying that something has been awarded city status in the UK (Q1867820) has a clear meaning. Saying that something is a human settlement is also rather clear. But drawing the line between village, city and town is quite tricky, and will probably never be done uniformly across the data. Conclusion: if you are looking for, say, human settlements with more than 100k inhabitants, then you should be searching for just that (which I think is basically what you also are saying below :-). Markus [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City Even a basic query like 'people born in the Czech republic' has problems. Should it include people born in Czechoslovakia or the Austro-Hungarian provinces of Bohemia and Moravia? To exclude these the query needs to check not just if the 'place of birth' of an item is 'in the administrative entity:Czech Republic' today but whether that was true on the 'date of birth' of each of those people. This isn't to say that such queries are not useful. Just to point out that real world data is tricky. The cool thing is that we are going to have the data in Wikidata to make it theoretically feasible to drill down and get answers to these tricky questions. Once the data is there, open licensed for anyone to use, then it is just a matter of a letting loose a thousand PhDs to devise clever ways to query it. If we build it they will come! At least that is my understanding. Joe On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com mailto:jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Yury, We are indeed planning to use the Ask query language for Wikidata. People will be able to define queries on dedicated query pages that contain a query entity. These query entities will represent things such as The cities with highest population in Europe. People will then be able to access the result for those queries via the web API and be able to embed different views on them into wiki pages. These views will be much like SMW result formats, and we might indeed be able to share code between the two projects for that. This functionality is still some way off though. We still need to do a lot of work, such as creating a nice visual query builder. To already get something out to the users, we plan to enable more simple queries via the web API in the near future. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw - http://www.bn2vs.com Software craftsmanship advocate Evil software architect at Wikimedia Germany ~=[,,_,,]:3 ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Using external vocabularies (like RDA) in WikiData ?
2014-05-28 21:27 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com: Like you I am not clear what the difference is between 'expression' and 'manifestation' and which of them corresponds to an 'edition' so we may or may not already be using those concepts. According to the last FRBR 2.0 draft,[1] the expression is the content of a work. It doesn't depend directly from the media it is possibly displayed on, but it cannot exist without the media, i.e. the text of a novel. The manifestation, on the contrary, is the physical edition of a work. It is strictly connected to the media it is displayed on, i.e. the 1834 French edition of Dante Alighieri's Divina Commedia, printed in Paris by Éditeur Incertain. [1] http://www.cidoc-crm.org/docs/frbr_oo//frbr_docs/FRBRoo_V2.0_draft_2013May.pdf Note that in many cases however the wikidata item about the work also describes the first edition so I guess that doesn't comply with FRBR. That is unlikely to change unless someone comes up with a use case where it causes real problems. It depends. It is possible that most of our properties may address the highest level, i.e. the work itself, but since we are going to have lots of items regarding specific editions (=manifestations) Note: I'm currently working at the Italian Institute for Libraries,[2] and among my tasks there is the translation of the UNIMARC-based data of the National Library Service[3] to FRBR, in order to finally export all those data into linked open data. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_Centrale_per_il_Catalogo_Unico [3] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servizio_bibliotecario_nazionale -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikibase on Commons
2014-05-26 10:51 GMT+02:00 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl: About a year ago Daniel posted https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info . It got quite a bit of feedback and went silent after that. What's the status? Do we have some sort of timeline? Better having some consensus about it... to me it's a fairly good option to deal with metadata on Commons, and there is LOTS of potential for further cooperations with other free knowledge initiatives - for one, https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/W%28iki%29B%28ase%29_laborem_solvit_laetus_merito:_Wikibase_and_Linked_Data_Applied_to_Greek_and_Latin_Epigraphy Luca Sannita Martinelli https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikibase on Commons
2014-05-26 12:50 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: The next steps are usage tracking and arbitrary access. Tracking of progress is happening at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64288 I hope not to be banned for canvassing :D but I think it's a good idea to vote for the bug. L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data
2014-04-28 17:08 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: I recalled the fact quite correctly: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo:Bio takes dates of birth and death from Wikidata. I think we can talk to extend the possibility to gender, and later to other fields. That's perfect, because that means that the bot can just delete the text on import. I would say -1 for the moment. We first need to talk about it and create hidden categories in order to control the retrievals. There's time to delete. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data
Il 29/apr/2014 09:31 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, When Wikipedia has an approach to specific articles that are not compatible with Wikidata, we can create items that fit our need and keep the original item for what it is .. for instance a list of people (in the case of the Wright brothers). The notion that Wikidata defers to Wikipedia is not one can keep because there are bound to be Wikipedias who differ in their approach and have an article for both Wilbur and Orville Wright.. Exactly, I kinda had the same problem with Sacco and Vanzetti when I was uploading Italian authority codes. They have two different codes in the Italian national library system, but have a joint article on Wikipedia. L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data
Il 27/apr/2014 12:59 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com ha scritto:
David Cuenca, 27/04/2014 12:21:
@Nemo, Apper: Do you think you could import that data into the wd-repo
AND make use of it via an inclusion template?
The Italian Wikipedia has a track of early adoption of Wikidata as a
source. Almost everything that was added to Wikidata was immediately put
into use (most recent big example, I think, the {{interprogetto}}). It
wouldn't take long before {{bio}} starts using the data once it's available
(probably days or weeks), it's been discussed several times and nobody
appeared to dislike the idea.
If I'm not mistaken, there are (or were) already some experiments going on
with {{Bio}} using data from Wikidata, possibly for the image field.
Anyway, if Amir (thanks!) is really going to upload that data, nobody is
preventing us from trying to make an experiment on large scale. I'll talk
with the Italian community about it.
L.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Native Other project sidebar managed by Wikibase
2014-04-11 19:24 GMT+02:00 Thomas Tanon thoma...@hotmail.fr: Hi! I've implemented in Wikibase, with the help of the Wikidata development team, a piece of code that allows to display an Other project sidebar managed by Wikidata as it have been done for interlanguage links [1]. This means that a link to Commons for example can automatically be added to a Wikipedia article's sidebar based on the data in Wikidata. The goal is to replace the JavaScript based hacks used by a lot of wikis like nl.wikipedia that build such kind of sidebars from templates inserted in wiki text. This new feature have been successfully deployed last Monday to French Wikisource. See, for example, this page [2] (the sidebar section is called Autres projets in French). I've also written a JavaScript hack that adds a link to Wikidata in this sidebar (it isn't supported yet by the extension) and that allows to override links using the old template in order to ensure a smooth migration. If you want to see this feature installed in your wiki, please start a discussion on your local project chat and, when a consensus is reached, open a bug in bugzilla [3] (component: Site requests) linking to the discussion and giving the ordered list of the sites to display (this can be one or several of wikipedia, commons, wikiquote, wikivoyage, wikisource). Feel free to ask if you have any questions. That's great news, Tpt! I'm only afraid you missed the links... :D Anyway, great job upon trust. :D -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] A proposal for a panel that might interest you
Il 30/mar/2014 12:30 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com ha scritto: Great to hear, Luca. If you are doing the technical part, who is the person to speak to for the project and licensing? There will be a representative from EAGLE for sure, since he lives in London. My presence depends on if O get a scholarship or by my capacity of saving some money. :) Gerard, if this is the first project outside of wmf concerning wikidata, what is the first project including wmf? Well, actually we are talking about Wikibase, which is the extension that Wikidata uses, not Wikidata itself. This project is allegedly the first non-WMF to use Wikibase, since the first (and only) WMF project is Wikidata. Then again, we all know Wikibase stemmed from a WM-DE idea... :) L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] A proposal for a panel that might interest you
Hi there, I'm sorry - I really, properly am - for this spamming, but it's also something that might interest the Wikidata developing team. I and a couple of other users (if selected) are going to hold a presentation at Wikimania 2014 about a project conducted by Wikimedia Italy and the Europeana network of Ancient Greek and Latin Epigraphy (EAGLE). The full description is here: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/W%28iki%29B%28ase%29_laborem_solvit_laetus_merito:_Wikibase_and_Linked_Data_Applied_to_Greek_and_Latin_Epigraphy TL;DR: Wikimedia Italy and EAGLE are using Wikibase extensions for building up a database about Ancient Greek and Latin epigraphy, getting the data from various universities and institutions... and the thing is working! :) Of course, those data are in CC0, and there are also plans to donate those data to Wikimedia community when the Commons-Wikidata integration will be completed. This should also be the first project outside the WMF perimeter to use Wikibase for such a project (GerardM, please correct me if I'm wrong). If you're interested in it, you might want to take a peek at it. :) Sorry again for spamming! Cheers, -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Wikibase for a private wiki
Hi there, I'm setting up a private wiki and I'd like to add Wikibase. Does it work with Mediawiki 1.22? And where can I download the whole package? Since I know this is not the place for such a private discussion, if you want to advice me, please answer me in private, so that we don't disturb the others. :) Cheers, L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Thiemo joins the dev team \o/
Welcome Thiemo, and good work! :) L. 2014-02-05 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: Hey everyone :) I'm really happy to let you know that we have another addition to Wikimedia Germany's software development department. Thiemo is a long-time Wikipedian and will help us out especially in Wikidata's frontend development. Here's a bit more from him: My Name is Thiemo (simply spelled Timo) and I'm proud to have the chance to become part of the software development department as a front-end developer. Previously I coded interfaces for Windows Mobile devices, helped coding games and DJ software as well as several typical enterprise solutions (resource planning, warehouse management). I'm an active Wikipedia user for 10 years now, mainly working on technical stuff (templates, JavaScript gadgets, mangling bugs) as well as organizational tasks (e.g. moderating deletion requests and requests for comments). To quote a colleague: I think code is poetry and I love every object oriented programming language (JavaScript being kind of an exception here) and supports regular expressions, my all-day Swiss army knife. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] CFP - IEEE Co-sponsored CyberSec2014 - Lebanon Section
Me too. L. Il 16/gen/2014 09:19 Jasper Deng jas...@jasperswebsite.com ha scritto: I concur wholly with Sven. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Sven Manguard svenmangu...@gmail.comwrote: I am beginning to get tired of these types of solicitations, as they seem to be coming in regularly, and more often than not, have little to do with Wikidata. Do people on this list find them useful? If so, is this the most appropriate list? If not, is there any interest in prohibiting posts like this? Sven On Jan 16, 2014 2:38 AM, Liezelle Ann Canadilla lieze...@sdiwc.info wrote: All the registered papers will be submitted to IEEE for potential inclusion to IEEE Xplore as well as other Abstracting and Indexing (AI) databases. TITLE: The Third International Conference on Cyber Security, Cyber Warfare, and Digital Forensic (CyberSec2014) EVENT VENUE: Lebanese University, Lebanon CONFERENCE DATES: Apr. 29 – May 1, 2014 EVENT URL: http://sdiwc.net/conferences/2014/cybersec2014/ OBJECTIVE: To provide a medium for professionals, engineers, academicians, scientists, and researchers from over the world to present the result of their research activities in the field of Computer Science, Engineering and Information Technology. CyberSec2014 provides opportunities for the delegates to share the knowledge, ideas, innovations and problem solving techniques. Submitted papers will be reviewed by the technical program committee of the conference. KEYWORDS: Cyber Security, Digital Forensics, Information Assurance and Security Management, Cyber Peacefare and Physical Security, and many more... SUBMISSION URL: http://sdiwc.net/conferences/2014/cybersec2014/openconf/openconf.php FIRST SUBMISSION DEADLINE: March 29, 2014 CONTACT EMAIL: cyb2...@sdiwc.net ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] CFP - IEEE Co-sponsored CyberSec2014 - Lebanon Section
2014/1/16 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Sven Manguard svenmangu...@gmail.com wrote: I am beginning to get tired of these types of solicitations, as they seem to be coming in regularly, and more often than not, have little to do with Wikidata. Do people on this list find them useful? If so, is this the most appropriate list? If not, is there any interest in prohibiting posts like this? I am already discarding quite a few that land in moderation. This one didn't. I'll continue to put people on moderation and filter. Sorry for that peeps. I can't prevent it completely I fear. If you need help in moderating the list, I think I can help you, since I already do the same on Wikipedia-IT-l. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Welcome Adrian!
Cheers for Adrian! :) Welcome in the club! :) L. Il 08/gen/2014 20:40 Denny Vrandecic vrande...@gmail.com ha scritto: Congratulations to Adrian and congratulations to the team! On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:53:03 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hey everyone :) I'm happy to announce that earlier this week Adrian Lang joined Wikimedia Germany's software development team. He'll be working part-time with us. His main focus will be helping out with user interface tasks around Wikidata. A bit of background about Adrian: He joined the German Wikipedia in 2007 and became a sysop that year. In 2008, he worked as a sysop on German Wikipedia and on Commons and as part of the German OTRS team, before he gradually left the community again. While active, he wrote various JavaScript tools for facilitating new images patrol, page deletion and moving images to Commons among other things. Afterward, he spent two years working on the PHP-based wiki engine DokuWiki as part of his professional life. For the last one and a half years, he worked as a freelance software developer focusing on doing JavaScript, client-side as well as with Node.js. We're thrilled to have Adrian on board. Please say hi if you see him around. Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] New stuff! (ordering, ranks and a table of content)
First of all, a message to the WD team: AMAZING JOB, GUYS! Now, for the proposals... :) 2013/12/11 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Sven Manguard svenmangu...@gmail.com wrote: I proposed an up arrow, a square diamond, and a down arrow, all from the same Unicode set, in a mockup I sent to Lydia. I still think that those are a better idea, and not just because it was my idea. The problem with arrows is that it might be confused for voting arrows. Another option could be squares of different sizes, but then the smallest one can be hard to click, and the biggest one hard to place. What about coloring the squares? Green for preferred, blue for normal, orange or red for deprecated. As for sorting statements, for me dragdrop should be the way of doing it. No idea how much would cost to do it... Yeah, I was thinking the same. Also about the cost. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Is Wikidata VIAF data being used in Wikipedia?
That's a good question. I was also thinking about the case of items that have VIAF property, but the code is not shown on Wikipedia because the related article lacks the template. We can make a list of all items that have VIAF (and/or related properties), then check which WP articles don't have an authority control template, and just add it with a bot, so that it can recall the code from Wikidata. L. Il 16/ott/2013 18:34 Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com ha scritto: If I want the most current/accurate VIAF ids, should I be looking at Wikidata or Wikipedia? When I look at the EN Wikipedia pages for these two topics: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9094 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9095 both of which have property P214, the VIAF identifer, the second displays the VIAF identifier, but the first doesn't and the one that does display the identifier appears to be using information from the embedded AuthorityControl template, not Wikidata. My concern is that if the Wikidata VIAF data isn't being viewed/edit on Wikipedia, it can easily be invisibly wrong like the infamous Persondata template. Tom ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] creator template, wikimedia commons
2013/9/25 Antoine Isaac ais...@few.vu.nl: Hello Denny, I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata? Best, Antoine Dear Antoine, I'm a Wikidata admin but also I'm involved with yet another Europeana project, called EAGLE.[1] Antoine should probably know it. We're setting up a wiki on our own running a Wikibase extension, and we're currently uploading (well, trying to upload) all the data there, since in the future those data should be incorporated in Commons too. I don't know if this is a feasible way for you. In a way, we're waiting too for the Commons repository to be working to be sure this is the way. [1] http://www.eagle-network.eu/ -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Counting sitelinks - period
Hi all, sorry if I burst in with a simple question, but... is there a tool to count how many sitelinks for a single project are there in Wikidata? I mean, if I want to know how many (and which) items in Wikidata have a sitelink to, say, Yoruba Wikipedia, what tool do I have to use, if exists? Thanks. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Counting sitelinks - period
2013/9/24 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: For now: https://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/static_data/items_per_site.20130924.tab SQL query used: select ips_site_id,count(*) from wb_items_per_site group by ips_site_id For a list of all items with these links, now that might be a little long to put in an attachment... Well, this is a beginning. :) Thank you very much, I'm bothering you a lot in these days. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Properties in Wikidata for Numbers Datatypes
2013/9/9 Hady elsahar hadyelsa...@gmail.com: i noticed that Wikidata doesn't contain equivalent properties for such DBpedia properties. this includes all properties like : Height , area , weight , mass and population number my Question is, are those properties missing just because no one considered adding them or they don't exist intentionally because Wikidata doesn't have Datatypes for numbers yet ? so for example we are going to see claims in the future on this form ? There aren't yet the datatypes for numbers and numbers for units. They're planned, though. No clue about the date. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wiktionary first phase : interwiki links?
2013/9/9 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: This is your own opinion. Though I'm sure it wasn't your intention to sound so rude, I invite you to take a look at the current proposal.[1] If you need an Italian explanation (with some of my thoughts), you're welcome.[2] [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary [2] http://sannita.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/integrazione-wikizionario-wikidata/ -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Automatic summaries?
2013/9/7 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: I believe that, for items that have basic claims/statements, short descriptions can be generated automatically, for supported languages. If we have person, Belgian, painter, and birth/death year, a sentence like Belgian painter (1900-2000) can be constructed. Some awards (Nobel prize, Victoria cross, etc.) could be added. +1 on the idea. Not sure about the birth/death year, though. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Cooperation between Wikidata and DBpedia and Wikipedia
Il giorno 23/ago/2013 11:54, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: [...] Now that the main type GND is about to be deleted, it makes sense to adopt much of the work that has been done at DBpedia. [...] May you explain better what we may want to adopt and which properties are missing? L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Make Commons a wikidata client
Il giorno 22/ago/2013 19:28, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Since the BookManagerv2 extension (coming soon) will be storing all metadata from any work (sourced or not) in the (new) Book: namespace, IMHO the best would be to link those pages to the edition items as outlined in the Books Task Force. [...] The only really needed namespaces would be Author and Book, that information could be transcluded to other pages. This is absolutely awesome and impressing. This simplifies things to the very core, since we won't need to link any other namespace than Author and Book. Great work. I've been talking to Aubrey this afternoon about the possible inclusion of Wikisource on Wikidata, this discussion comes absolutely in handy. :) Please, let me know if I can be of any help for passing the data to WD. L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Scope of a Wikidata entry
Il giorno 12/ago/2013 05:26, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com ha scritto: Is it intentional to restrict the definition to personal pseudonyms? That doesn't cover all uses of them For example, there are house pseudonyms used by publishing houses which are associated with a series and the publishing house contracts with writers to write effectively anonymously (although it's often known who they are). Another example of a relatively well known collective pseudonym is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki There's a whole category of them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Collective_pseudonyms Tom Well, quite intentional. I am perfectly aware that collective pseudonyms exist: one of the most important Italian writer is in fact a collective of writers, that started as Luther Blissett, and that is now known as Wu Ming. However the property does not - was not intended to - address those articles. It is reserved, so to say, to actors or writers or musicians who have a stage name and a real name, like Nicholas Cage or P.Diddy, in order to treat their pseudonym as a data. Luca Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] A short hello
2013/7/16 Saskia Warzecha saskia.warze...@wikimedia.de: Hi, I'm Saskia and I wanted to introduce myself. I started yesterday as an intern at Wikidata in Berlin. I am currently finishing my studies in Computational Linguistics (B.Sc.) at the University of Potsdam and will commence a M.Sc. in Vienna, Austria, this fall. My task at Wikidata is to analyze the proposals for Wiktionary in Wikidata [0],[1], to compare it with similar work (OmegaWiki, WordNet, etc.), and to help in finding the best solution for Wiktionary. I'm staying for two months and am looking forward to your questions and inputs. Best regards, Saskia [0] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary_%28alternative_proposal%29 Welcome Saskia, and good luck with your work. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] A personal note, and a secret
2013/7/11 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: [...] Besides Wikipedia, Wikidata can be used in many other places. We just started the conversations about sister projects, but also external projects are expected to become smarter thanks to Wikidata. I expect tools and libraries and patterns for these type of uses will emerge in the next few months, and applications will become more intelligent and act more informed, powered by Wikidata. [...] Dear Denny, I was in Haifa when there was the very first announce of Wikidata, and I was in Washington when Wikidata was definitely announced as a project. I still remember my excitement when I asked if the coats of arms of municipalities and states and whatever could have been put into Wikidata, and you guys said yes, they will. I was so naive at that moment that I couldn't have imagined what this project would have turned into, yet it was this little answer to convince me to join the community. Now, along with some fellow wikipedians/wikimedians, we're in talks with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_Centrale_per_il_Catalogo_Unico, the Italian institution that oversees a large part of the Italian public and private libraries. They are willing to give us their data, but also to establish a more thorough cooperation, involving librarians to contribute to Wikidata and the other Wikimedia projects. We could have set up a cooperation with the institute anyway, but Wikidata was the perfect key project to make this cooperation come true, because they were fascinated by the work on the authority control we're doing with VIAF and other institutions. If we managed to reach this stage, it was also because of your work. So, I'd like to thank you and all the Wikidata developers for having helped us with that. Good luck with your new work at Google and good luck with your family. :) Hope to see you at Hong Kong. Cheers, -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Representing Wikidata at LODLAM Summit 2013
2013/6/19 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com: Hi there! I am right now at the LODLAM Summit in Montreal and there was a wish to get Wikidata information, so I improvised a short talk (6th column of the 13:30-14:30 slot) http://summit2013.lodlam.net/files/2013/06/BNIm-WPCEAE5b1N.jpg-large.jpeg There were people from several national libraries (German, Spanish, etc), their impression was very good and some of them want to start linking. Also made some other interesting connections (OpenAgris from the United Nations) which can provide a gateway for government data. I know it is not much, but I couldn't pass the chance for PR'ing :) Cheers, Micru Good work! The UN agencies are full of useful data. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] accepted GSoC proposals
Il giorno 28/mag/2013 08:48, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru ha scritto: This is really exciting to have you all on board. Welcome, and I am looking forward interacting with you and using the end products of your work. Cheers Yaroslav +1, welcome on board! And please remember that if you need any help, we admins are always on for lending a hand. :) Cheers and good work, Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Finding Wikipedia pages that include Wikidata values
2013/5/4 Innovimax SARL innovi...@gmail.com: Good point Luca Please vote for it if you care Mohamed Finally done. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about wikipedia categories.
2013/5/5 Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com: As far as checking the import progress of Wikidata, the category American women writers has 1479 articles. 651 of them currently have a main type (GND), 328 have a sex, 162 have an occupation, 111 have a country of citizenship, 49 have a sexual orientation, 39 have a place of birth, etc. This means that we need to hurry a bit about inserting the right properties in the related item. :) I think this could be - partially - done by bots: I mean, we know they are/were American, females, and writers... We can start from here. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [framalang] Wikipédia de la prononciation
For non-French speakers: There is this site: http://www.forvo.com/ that could be interesting, since it's a repo of pronounciation of words in several languages. Unfortunately it is CC-BY-NC-SA, but if we manage to convince them, it could be useful for both Wiktionary and Wikidata. Cheers, L. 2013/5/2 Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: Le 2013-05-02 12:11, Gatien Bovyn a écrit : Ce site vient de passer sur un canal IRC, ça pourrait en intéresser : il propose d'entendre la prononciation d'un mot dans une langue, et il est possible de contribuer. http://fr.forvo.com/ [1] La langue du jour est l'italien, pour ceux que la brume rendrait nostalgique :). Malheureusement ce n’est pas libre (cc-by-sa-nc[1]) alors que cela aurait été fort utile aux wiktionnaires. Peut-être serait-il envisageable de les contacter pour savoir si un changement de licence serait envisageable de leur coté, ça ne couterait pas grand chose de demander et ça serait une sacré contribution aux wiktionnaires. D’ailleurs, il y a un GSOC sur l’intégration dans les articles d’une fonction d’enregistrement des prononciations, c’est dire si il y a une demande. [1] http://fr.forvo.com/license/ -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Importing to Wikidata
Il giorno 28/apr/2013 02:55, Sven Manguard svenmangu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Forwarding this to the discussion list for Wikidata. Sven [...] This is absolutely brilliant. :))) L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: I wasn't aware of such an issue. But here the issue is less important, as template generaly are used for shaping the article, relevant data being passed as argument. I can't afford the time to read all of [1], but did you make an extensive research before nobody complained? Well, *of course* we use to reach consensus *before* changing templates. I thought it was a given point, since we're no different from any other WP community. :) And yes, nobody complained because discussions about changing a template are long, and thorough, and sometimes even frustrating. :) Usually, we even update data here contained while changing the templates... What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page history and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all know that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - that we even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be easier with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, if it wasn't for this. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit : What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page history and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all know that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - that we even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be easier with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, if it wasn't for this. When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where used then : there are the correct data of this history context. The current page may be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it refers to, but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's done with bots. So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses the correct data, because correct data is an ambiguous term. What I hope to see, is that the last revision article uses the last revision of the wikidata entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that a commit was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I want to see the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would be history counterfeiting. Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug about it, whatever. For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling the items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on Wikipedia. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
2013/4/6 Gregor Hagedorn g.m.haged...@gmail.com:
[...]
Wikidata needs the coupling between Wikipedia
editors and Wikidata curation. The editors should be supported, not
alienated by giving them the feeling that it becomes unmanageable for
them to follow the changes (because of workflow separation, because of
too many insigificant changes (like label changes in any number of
languages that the average editor is unable to read).
[...]
This is great, but the solution I saw (i.e.
{{#property:population|current-value=30900}}) makes the whole
Wikidata absolutely useless. The changes in wikidata items are already
visible in users' watchlist, and if I'm not mistaken even in recent
changes.
I'm sorry, but I do agree with Michael: we need to focus primarily on
importing data and their references and then adapting the templates.
This is the reason why Wikidata has been put up: to make data storage,
editing, and even creating new articles easier.
Plus, just a note about seeing an item as of 2011. If I try to see
what an article looked at that time and if a template in the meantime
has been substituted and deleted, I'd see only a red mark stating
Template:Whatever instead of that template. In 12 years, nobody
complained about that... :)
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Re: [Wikidata-l] The first question after deployment of phase 2
Il giorno 27/mar/2013 21:39, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de ha scritto: Yes you'll have to adapt the infobox template then it seems. ...Or the convention on Wikidata has to change. I personally think that the TLD property should contain hu, not .hu. I suggest to take that issue to the property's talk page. H, I don't think it is a good idea. IMHO the data should be still .hu, since this is what you'd find on Wikipedia as article's title. It is better to change the template, since we're going to do it anyway. L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: WMF Grant proposal: SOLRSearch
2013/2/12 Sven svenmangu...@gmail.com: Can we please enact a no spam rule for this mailing list? +1, no offense to jmcclure. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Coordinate datatype -- update
2013/1/17 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: Based on the feedback so far I have frozen the datatype for time [1] and updated the datatype for coordinates. ***CUT*** Sorry if my question appears silly, but I'll take the risk. I assume this deals with how the system recognizes the data we put in, and not with how the user puts the data into the system, am I right? In other words, will I/we be forced to use THIS way of inserting datas, or we'll put them they way we know/can and then the system will recalculate them in this way? -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata and PWB
2012/12/10 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: Finally the bug is solved. you can get and set items on wikidata via PWB Woo hoo! http://i.imgur.com/0D00v.gif -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata license (was Introduction and some questions on Wikidata)
2012/11/28 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: So since ODBL and CCBYSA are not compatible, why would it be less of a source of possible conflicts and infringements of Wikipedia's content license to use ODBL instead of CC0? I share Denny's worries. If we adopt ODBL, all WMF projects *will have to* add a note about structured data taken from Wikidata (like data are released in ODBL or similar), or they should be bi-licensed (CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported + ODBL what.ever). If we keep licensing Wikidata with a CC0 (which is, in fact, a PD-like license), that allows Wikipedia to re-use data with CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported without any problem. Then, when CC-BY-SA 4.0 will be released, we can migrate ALL projects to the new license. I don't see any other possibilities - I do know something about licensing and stuff, but I may be wrong. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Introduction and some questions on Wikidata
2012/11/15 Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at: First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata. External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have. For the time being (i.e. until mid-2013), I assume. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] wikidata.org is live (with some caveats)
2012/11/1 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com: [...] For Wikidata 3 extensions need translation: [...] Thank you very much, I'll start now. :) 2012/11/1 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: Wikidata properties will be translated like items, i.e. they will have wiki pages on Wikidata with labels (actually, you can see that already on our demo version). Properties are not specific to a Wikibase-Instance, which is why it would not make sense to translate them using TranslateWiki. Properties are created within a given Wikibase-instance, e.g. Wikidata. [...] Translation will be required even for properties, but I suppose it will be like items, then. Well, thanks for the clarification. I'll make a try with properties on the demo. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] wikidata.org is live (with some caveats)
2012/10/31 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com: Am 30.10.2012 19:15, schrieb Gregor Hagedorn: In German, translation of Item with Datenelement = data element seems odd, a data element is usually something much smaller and atomic. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenelement Proposal: Artikel or Datenobjekt This is an invitation to you and all other Wikidata users: Please become a translator on https://translatewiki.net to fix wrong translations and translate into your language. Now that Wikidata is live is much easier to see how messages are used in the interface :-) Raimond. Sure. Can you provide us the links? I'm ready for some translations. :) I should assume that Translatewiki will cope also with translations of Properties when the time will come, am I right? -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] wikidata.org is live (with some caveats)
2012/10/30 Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com: Hey, Phase 2 isn't started yet. Work on phase 2 has definitely started already, it just is not deployed on wikidata.org yet. I meant deployed, sorry. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Some questions
2012/10/23 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I got a number of questions. Hope not to bother. 1) Has the testing of phase 1 already started on hu.wp? No. :( When will it, so? 2) Will phase 1 be also expanded to ns=/=0 (i.e. templates, categories, help pages...) and to other projects (i.e. Wikisource, Wikiquote...)? The first already works on the demo system. As for other projects: Let's get this working on Wikipedia first. We're not even there yet ;-) Technically more is possible. Ok, perfect. :) This is actually a question coming from it.wikisource's admins, they're really into the project too, but they were a bit disappointed by the fact this is still Wikipedia-only-oriented at the moment. 3) When will be possible to test phase 2 on Wikidata-test-repo? The first parts on phase 2 are already on the test system. More will come over the next weeks. Good, can't wait to test them. :))) 4) Is there already a script for testing the automatic upload of interlinks? I'd like to run some tests with my bot. What do you want to test exactly? I would like to test the PyWikidata thing, but we'll discuss it later on IRC. I already saw Amir's (Aharoni, not Amir1) explanation, but at the moment I have no time to reply. I will (hopefully) in the next hour. Thanks again for your kindness. :) -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Some questions
Ok, just one more thing I just remembered: what if I find some data about a potentially relevant article, but there's no article on no project at all? I mean, is it possible to create first the Wikidata entry and then the Wikipedia article? L. 2012/10/24 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Has the testing of phase 1 already started on hu.wp? No. :( When will it, so? I'd love to tell you more than soon but I can't unfortunately :/ I'll send an email here as soon as it's happening. Cheers Lydia ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Some questions
Hi there, I got a number of questions. Hope not to bother. 1) Has the testing of phase 1 already started on hu.wp? 2) Will phase 1 be also expanded to ns=/=0 (i.e. templates, categories, help pages...) and to other projects (i.e. Wikisource, Wikiquote...)? 3) When will be possible to test phase 2 on Wikidata-test-repo? 4) Is there already a script for testing the automatic upload of interlinks? I'd like to run some tests with my bot. Thanks in advance. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Expiration date for data
2012/9/30 Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk: On 30/09/12 13:00, bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Hi, I think a valid_from and valid_to-field would be a great idea. Especially for queries on the db. But I think it is a fundamental design decision and I'm not sure if it's possible to integrate now... LB Seconded. This would, for example, allow next year's train timetables to be loaded into the database prior to their period of validity, and for the cutover between last year's and this year's timetables to then happen automatically at the appointed date. -- N. Sorry if I get back on this issue, but I don't think that the train timetables will be THAT important in the future - except for the ones who have to use DeutscheBahn's services. It may be, by the way, that this example is just a wrong one to illustrate something that Wikidata WILL need, that are historical data. There's plenty of datas that are valid only from $DateA to $DateB (i.e. the affiliation to a particular federation, the use of a particular flag, the definition of a particular capitol city...). Is this something that you guys already dealt with or not? Plus, there's also another thing. Let's say that I want to add to [[Item:Football Federation of Israel]] a particular property Member. Now, the Israelis were: * full members of AFC from 1952 to 1974, * associated members of OFC from 1974 to 1979, and from 1984 to 1991; * associated members of UEFA from 1979 to 1984; * full members of UEFA from 1991 on. How do we deal with the second statement (valid from $DateA to $DateB and from $DateC to $DateD)? Is that something already resolved? Thanks in advance for the answers. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] demo system updated
2012/9/27 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: Heya folks :) We've updated the demo system again. We're getting into phase 2 territory now but that's not very visible yet. What you can give a try however is that changes on the repository should now show up in the recent changes of the client. The git tag is fb4f3e9af2e43b0035b05fcf8ad88c887bfc95d8. http://wikidata-test.wikimedia.de Cheers Lydia Does this means also that pahse 1 is going into testing? If yes, yay! :) Is the schedule for testing defined yet? -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox
Dear all, sorry but I think I didn't correctly got the point of the whole thing. Probably, I was overestimating my English competence, or my free-licensing competence, or both. So, without ANY intention of being rude, or even polemical, I would like to ask: what is this discussion about, again? If I got it right, someone expressed his/her doubts about using ISO standards in classifying data on Wikidata because of [this point may be challenged, but this is what I understood] potential ISO copyright issues. Now, the points are: a) Is my guess correct? If no, what is the point this discussion is about? b) Is there anyone who could answer this doubt, whatever it is? Just trying to follow this thread, nothing more. Thank you. -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata
2012/8/6 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: [...] We are having some discussions about maybe going for he.wp as a second language, but as far as I know the discussion has not happened there yet. I would prefer he.wp over it.wp as a second test Wikipedia at the current moment as it is an RTL wiki and allows us to test for a wider spectrum of possible errors. [...] We were speaking about it with Lydia yesterday, and actually I'd give you some reasons to prefer he.wiki to our version, exactly because of the RTL issue. Anyway, our goal is to help you all in developing Wikidata. Of course, we'd love to be the second project and it would be a honour for us all, but the final decision is still up to you. :) More, even if we will not help you with the interlink testing, we're plenty of datas (especially in the biographies field) to donate, so we'll find a way, don't worry. ;) And I forgot to add: many, many thanks for organizing and holding the discussion on the it.wp! This is extremely appreciated. [...] You're welcome! -- Luca Sannita Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
