[WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page
Elizabeth, Yes, getting used to formatting tables with Wiki syntax is different (and more difficult) than HTML. All I can suggest is you look at other WE tables to get used to the syntax. The L4C registration page has a good example of a well formatted table; http://www.wikieducator.org/Learning4Content/Registration Let me know how I could help further. Peter On Nov 4, 5:37 am, elizabeth mbasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do this so that it does not spread all over Liz --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most
[WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released
Erik wrote: the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: Sing, choirs of angels, sing in exultation! Sing, all ye citizens of heaven above! Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. I really, really hope the community referendum on this is successful. Thanks, -=Steve=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] WE Main Style Sheet
I'm noticing a whole new design and font setup for the main wiki page, and subpages Does anyone else see this - and can you explain this? Thanks, Randy -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: WE Main Style Sheet
I'm not seeing it and i've also checked the main css page and nothing has changed there either ... must be you Randy. brent. -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz -- On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm noticing a whole new design and font setup for the main wiki page, and subpages Does anyone else see this - and can you explain this? Thanks, Randy -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page
Hi Liz, WE is running a simple table extension (formerly called tabbeddata) that makes it simpler to add data to a table. To make a table that uses commas for separating columns and return for the rows, try: tab sep=comma Hi, Hello, Yes Bye, Good Night, No /tab You can find more information on the syntax and examples at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabbedData Regards, Rob (aka Kruhly) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:37 AM, elizabeth mbasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do this so that it does not spread all over Liz --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following
[WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page
Thanks Rob... That's an easier table to use... Peter On Nov 4, 12:50 pm, Robert Kruhlak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Liz, WE is running a simple table extension (formerly called tabbeddata) that makes it simpler to add data to a table. To make a table that uses commas for separating columns and return for the rows, try: tab sep=comma Hi, Hello, Yes Bye, Good Night, No /tab You can find more information on the syntax and examples at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabbedData Regards, Rob (aka Kruhly) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:37 AM, elizabeth mbasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do this so that it does not spread all over Liz --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices
[WikiEducator] Re: WE Main Style Sheet
Hi Brent, You're right - phew! thank you I checked my learner's user page, and she had it checked also - I changed it back It must have affected my name too, because I have several windows open... Thanks for being there. - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like you've chosen a different skin in your user preferences to me. brent. -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz -- On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brent, I took a screen shot - it's the one in blue I'll try to relaunch my browserI'm running firefox 3.0.3 One of my learners - Rosamond Brown - in the L4C workshop alerted me to it Also, when I put in her login info: User Name: Rosamond Password: chauntae16 I was redirected to www.wikieducator.org/User:Dockice (Rudi Daniel). Both folks are in the Caribbean. - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not seeing it and i've also checked the main css page and nothing has changed there either ... must be you Randy. brent. -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz -- On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'm noticing a whole new design and font setup for the main wiki page, and subpages Does anyone else see this - and can you explain this? Thanks, Randy -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Facilitating Online Communities Mini Conference 2-9 November 08
http://flickr.com/photos/iboy_daniel/77412822/Participants in the Facilitating Online Communties coursehttp://www.wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communitieshave come together to coordinate an online mini conference. Below are the range of events scheduled so far. Keep an eye on the conference wikihttp://www.wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communities/course_mini_conferencefor up to the minute details. See you there! A mini conference for Facilitating Online From Facilitating online communities http://www.wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communities *Date: 2 - 9 November 2008* *All times are in Coordinated Universal Time (UTChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC) unless stated otherwise. Use this time convertorhttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/to work out your times. * 2-9Nov Community Leadership Development *Title:* Community Leadership Developmenthttp://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/Community_Leadership_Development- review and feedback *Date:* online discussion *Duration:* throughout the conference period *Facilitators:* Valerie Taylor http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylorwith guests and friends *Venue:* blog posts, discussion page threads *Description:* Community Leadership Developmenthttp://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/Community_Leadership_Development- online, open education and skills development for individuals and groups working with community-based organizations to provide leadership training, needs assessment and planning, coordination and management of projects to benefit the community. As Community Leadership Developmenthttp://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/Community_Leadership_Developmentis a new course modeled on FOC08 and CCK08, participants in the FOC08 Mini Conferences are uniquely qualified to provide input, feedback and suggestions. Throughout the Mini Conference, questions about the content and the process for the course will be posted for review and comment. Summaries and links to contributions will be posted each day. Questions, offers of collaboration welcome. 2-9Nov Managing Multimembership in Social Networks *Title*: SCoPE seminar discussion: Managing Multimembership in Social Networks: Oct 27-Nov 9, 2008 *Facilitators*: Bronwyn Stuckey, Jeffrey Keefer, Sue Wolff, Sylvia Currie *Description*: How do you track and keep up with blog conversations? How do you manage your time as you engage in social networks? What are our limits as we integrate social learning into our work environments? When you do find yourself becoming disconnected from your networks and organized activities, how do you return to the fray? As facilitators how do you manage multimembership for your participants? Many of us confess to fumbling along and we engage in multiple networks. Yet, many networks are essential for the projects, sectors and people that we work with, and for staying abreast of hot issues. Multi-membership and multi-platform overload is becoming a BIG challenge! During this 2-week discussion we invite you to share tips for managing participation in social networks. This seminar is organized as part of the Facilitating Online Communitieshttp://www.wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communitiescourse mini-conferencehttp://wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communities/course_mini_conference. There are many ways to participate! Take our surveyhttp://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=Mbw4W9RyDlYZ6_2f2_2ftchOQQ_3d_3d, leave a Voice Thread http://voicethread.com/share/232479/, and join the asynchronous discussion http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=1171. *Venue*: SCoPE http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/ is an open, online community supported by BCcampus http://bccampus.ca/ and hosted by Simon Fraser University http://www.sfu.ca/. Membership is free and open to the public and our discussions are facilitated by volunteers. Access the seminar discussion directly http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=1171. *Planning for the event:* A record of our planning steps is on a subsequent wiki page: /multimembershiphttp://www.wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communities/course_mini_conference/multimembership 5Nov-7pm The Role of an Online Facilitator *Date:* 7pm on Wednesday 5th November UTC (8am on Thursday 6th NovemberNZ DST) Check the time in your zone.http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11day=5year=2008hour=19min=0sec=0p1=0 *Duration:* approximately 1 hour *Facilitator:* Vida Thompson *Venue:* Skype (contact skype user: vidathompson in advance to join this session) *Description* I recorded an interview with a Community Facilitator here in Alexandra, Central Otago, New Zealand. For the mini conference I would like participants to listen to the inteview and then discuss their perception of the role of an online facilitator and how that compares to the role of a face to-face community facilitator. This discussion will be held on skype on Wednesday 5th November at 7pm UTC. (Contact skype user: vidathompson in advance to
[WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page
I use Open Office to create tables. Open Office has an export to media wiki. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Rob... That's an easier table to use... Peter On Nov 4, 12:50 pm, Robert Kruhlak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Liz, WE is running a simple table extension (formerly called tabbeddata) that makes it simpler to add data to a table. To make a table that uses commas for separating columns and return for the rows, try: tab sep=comma Hi, Hello, Yes Bye, Good Night, No /tab You can find more information on the syntax and examples at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabbedData Regards, Rob (aka Kruhly) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:37 AM, elizabeth mbasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do this so that it does not spread all over Liz --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a
[WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released
Wow, this would be a VERY good thing. It will keep projects from getting too convoluted within licensing if they want to combine wikieducator stuff with wikipedia, wikiversity, or commons (I think). -Kathy -Original Message- From: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Foerster Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:52 AM To: WikiEducator Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: GFDL 1.3 released Erik wrote: the Free Software Foundation has today released the version 1.3 of the GNU Free Documentation License, the licensed used by Wikipedia. This version of the GFDL allows GFDL-wikis to switch to CC-BY-SA - see section 11, relicensing: Sing, choirs of angels, sing in exultation! Sing, all ye citizens of heaven above! Wikimedia hasn't decided to switch yet, but we plan to hold a community referendum on the issue very soon. If we do switch, I'll let you know - it would enable two-way legal compatibility with WikiEducator and similar educational resources. I really, really hope the community referendum on this is successful. Thanks, -=Steve=- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] K12 initiative making the news
Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994-9c41-39c11f2ab085 I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Cheers, Peter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994-9c41-39c11f2ab085 I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Cheers, Peter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_success_looks_like Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp://www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com/educationhttp://blendedlear.ning.comhttp://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994... I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Reorganising my user page
Hi everyone, I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do this so that it does not spread all over Liz --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network approach will have greater success in meeting the WE mission. WE can only hope that the council also sees it this way, or maybe they will see having a group approach is best for meeting the
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_success_looks_like Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com/educationhttp://blendedlear.ning.comhttp://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994. .. I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac. .. Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_success_looks_like Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com/educationhttp://blendedlear.ning.comhttp://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994. .. I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac. .. Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Randy, This is how I see the wiki working. I thought we all did. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_success_looks_like Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com/educationhttp://blendedlear.ning.comhttp://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994... I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Hi Nellie, Yes, I do too But we have a GAP, from where we are right now - to where we want to be A smaller, focused effort, which then reports its findings / experience to the larger whole, might be a good way to help us to get where we want to be. - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy, This is how I see the wiki working. I thought we all did. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_success_looks_like Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com/educationhttp://blendedlear.ning.comhttp://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994. .. I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac. .. Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has done: WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. And, like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to put all the world's educational materials online and make them freely available to everyone on the planet by the year 2015. We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Only trouble is, that ambitious mission is already happening. Everything is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just not all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_success_looks_like Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Active_K12_Projects Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com/educationhttp://blendedlear.ning.comhttp://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994... I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wikieducator.org http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone
I was just browsing an old course and came across the good old video The Machine is Using Us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE. Its been a while since I watched this, but re watching it shows it to be still true and useful in terms of perspective relating to decentralised, distributed, networked and mashable services. Take note of the list of things that are suggested as needing a rethink. Can we honestly say we are doing anything new in Wikieducator? Are we even rethinking these things? On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could again become popular or through time this thread could be referenced many times... ;) On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning there was the word... :) In the begining there was the Internet, and the ability for people to publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive individuals they were small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When their connections to other nodes become stronger, they came closer together. Over time (and all the right agreements) they become close in fact they were indistinguishable from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a bigger node, but it is now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new nodes because more of their energy is spent refering to each other and keeping their bigger node connected and strong. They are starting to loose the benefit of being in a long tail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, I get your point. And I do agree with you that if you don't facilitate mash-up practices you reduce connections, and therefore the network becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the way... I guess these subtleties are why so much discussion occurs regarding the meaning of open... I also get your point about items that connect nodes vs. being the nodes themselves. All this said I would think that Lawrence Lessig at one point would have been considered a node evangelizing the benefits of a creative commons, through time the CC has become a part of the conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small group hacking together a photo sharing site (there were a group). Linux at one time was an individual project... So could it be that all nodes or conduit technologies start as individuals or small groups... I seek an example where a network just appeared without it first being started by a small group or individual... Cheers, Peter On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered that list as nodes in a network. I suppose they are in some ways, but I have always considered them as the things that connect the real nodes - the platforms that facilitate communication between nodes. Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that as a node or nodes, both embodied in the content, and in you as the personal point of contact. K12 may someday connect with a similar or complimentary project on Wikispaces.. with a particular blog post.. a Youtube video.. another individual who works on her own space, but through certain technologies - feeds into K12... etc. This same networking of information and people can happen inside a single platform such as Wikieducator - but I would question its capacities if it where only inside Wikied. Things that make the networked mission succeed: Using digital formats published openly online. Use of CC By to unrestrict reuse and sampling (I suspect copyright will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future, if Google's approach to it is anything to go by). Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a network: Prescribing certain practices - such as CC By, Open Format Standards or Open Source Software (as much as I appreciate their worth, the loss in potential connections is too great if we insist on these too much). Not facilitating mashup practices (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising services. Policies that police, and so on. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, Most Excellent. I agree its time for those who have been following this thread to watch (or re-watch) the Downes video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 And I would agree I see a GROUP entrenching itself within WE. Not that this is a bad thing, it just is. Though, I do believe a network approach will have greater success
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Leigh, With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. Be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo Be Well... Peter On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has done: WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. And, like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to put all the world's educational materials online and make them freely available to everyone on the planet by the year 2015. We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Only trouble is, that ambitious mission is already happening. Everything is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just not all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd http://www.building-relationship.com/education http://blendedlear.ning.com http://connecting-online.ning.com On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nellie, I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to see how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it has been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our definition of success; http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_... Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated content portal? http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... Peter On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students are interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So far, I managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11 students. I would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com... On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media exposure... puts WE into some good light. http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994... I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others). So I was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated K12 content they should add thier projects to the very new (and under- developed) portal... http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac... Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Randy Fisher - Change Management Collaboration, Human Performance Engagement, Sustainable Communities Organizations * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizationsand WikiEducator! + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Hi Peter, You said: I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) a free curriculum, surely a slip of the tongue Peter? The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about educators who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the Internet has been doing all along. An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) is the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an international set of educators together to offer up and develop free curricula. The other great thing about that is that the wall between learning and life is breaking down. I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many tools or services available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with like minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely joinedhttp://www.smallpieces.com/. Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and its tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy way to backup my work. My OER work (along with millions of other educators) is distributed across the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, Blogger, Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. It is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of that - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves in. Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. Be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo Be Well... Peter On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has done: WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. And, like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to put all the world's educational materials online and make them freely available to everyone on the planet by the year 2015. We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Only trouble is, that ambitious mission is already happening. Everything is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just not all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to it, and place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for someone to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with modeling clay. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.nelliemuller.com http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Oh, BTW.. I hope you're not thinking I am poo pooing the K12 project! Not at all! In fact I have already forwarded the story onto a number of people. I especially like the fact that it is more student generated. Just checking that you aren't relating my highlight of a particular way of describing the Wikieducator mission as some how being a criticism of K12 project. Not at all. Its just me being greedy and dominating the thread with other issues - sorry On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Peter, You said: I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) a free curriculum, surely a slip of the tongue Peter? The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about educators who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the Internet has been doing all along. An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) is the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an international set of educators together to offer up and develop free curricula. The other great thing about that is that the wall between learning and life is breaking down. I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many tools or services available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with like minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely joinedhttp://www.smallpieces.com/. Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and its tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy way to backup my work. My OER work (along with millions of other educators) is distributed across the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, Blogger, Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. It is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of that - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves in. Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. Be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo Be Well... Peter On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has done: WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. And, like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to put all the world's educational materials online and make them freely available to everyone on the planet by the year 2015. We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Only trouble is, that ambitious mission is already happening. Everything is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just not all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Education is a set of tools we grab as needed, for our current work and play. Starting from that (radical unschooling) position... What are things I can be doing with our local math clubs that go beyond personal and intra-club meanings, and toward community meanings? Kids creating purely educational materials so other kids can participate in purely educational projects devoted to creating purely educational materials for purely... This is a bit too self-referential for my taste. I'd like to see kids creating tools so other kids can work and play. What can those be, as far as math is concerned? Asking for ideas. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Clarrification of a free curriculum
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 11:46 +1300, Leigh Blackall wrote: We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Just a brief clarification -- the notion of a free curriculum should not be misinterpreted as an attempt to build a meta-curriculum for all nations. It has never been the intention of WikiEducator to suggest that a single curriculum would serve all nations and all people -- this would be travesty for education. It would be more accurate to say that our project strives to work collaboratively with the freedom culture to develop free content resources in support of national curricula, for all sectors by 2015 (as articulated in the ME plan: http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:M_and_E_Overview ) Education is contextually bounded and will always be driven by the local needs and circumstances of the learners we are aiming to serve. I hope that we will not become too trapped in pedantic debates regarding the articulating our vision at the expense of what WikiEducator is really about. Sure, WikiEducator is not the only show in town --- but it is founded on a core set of values, which are not necessarily embraced by projects like GoogleDocs, Youtube, Flickr etc. WikiEducator has a demonstrated track record and commitment to helping educators -- largely from the developing world in becoming equal participants in sharing in the potential of what social software can offer. There is no educational wiki project in the world that has made a greater effort in building capacity in helping educators live out the real purpose of education -- i.e. to share knowledge freely. Cheers Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Hey Peter and Leigh , I really like the conversation , and want to bring some of my 2 cents , and again from Chinese perspective , I just got back from Hongkong , Let me start from the newspaper reading from Hongkong, In hongkong if you have been , you take MTR a lot and they give you free newspaper to read , the first free newspaper I got from MTR station was talking abt the Milk scandal here in China mainland ( I assume that most of you have heared of it ) have you ? and the way it talked abt the milk scandle is very different from the way I read it from here in China mainland ,I teach Media research in my partime job , I would like my students to be more self-critical on what they read and see , and they need more varieity instead of just one voice , but it is obviously not very possible if you buy Chinese produced newspaper , but luckily or unluckily we have Internet , though Government have the censor here , but still people can be able to read much more different perspecitive for the same news ,I think it is very key for our students , I am thinking abt using the newspaper in my next course here to give them the idea , but again , I don't want to get fired from my school or in Jail so I need to think about something else Leigh is pointing out the very important issue I believe ,is are we creating discrimination or bias when we are being passionate to other educators , I am with him at this point , In China , we have a website called haokanbu www.haokanbu.com , it is a very wondeful web2.0 websites , I used it a lot with my students , however ,I stopped to use it lately , and many of my students gave up using it when they finish my course , and right now , many of Chinese teachers are being very optimistic and postive and passionate on using this platform after I began to use it abt 2 year ago , however , it is a little bit over now I think , they are telling other teachers Hey come on if you don;t want to be left out , come and join us on the stage it will be fun and good to see more people in the same stage but , I am worried that it will creat 2 bad things for both teachers and studetents 1 Teacher feel intimidated if they don;t join in 2 teacher will push their students to use it coz they think many other schools and students are using this ,and one of value web2.0 is creating is we use what our friends use . 3 then we might lose the creativity, even making teachers who don't want to use it right away feel left out , again ,* web2.0 is creating barrier and walls now , not breaking it * However I think Peter is also right in many ways , I just so much enjoy your conversation ,and learned a lot , so please contiue and forgive my interupption . Leo blessings 2008/11/5 Maria Droujkova [EMAIL PROTECTED] Education is a set of tools we grab as needed, for our current work and play. Starting from that (radical unschooling) position... What are things I can be doing with our local math clubs that go beyond personal and intra-club meanings, and toward community meanings? Kids creating purely educational materials so other kids can participate in purely educational projects devoted to creating purely educational materials for purely... This is a bit too self-referential for my taste. I'd like to see kids creating tools so other kids can work and play. What can those be, as far as math is concerned? Asking for ideas. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. -- Leo Wong http://wikieducator.org/user:leolaoshi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
btw I received some of personal emails /invitations from WE members during last month , I didnot have the internet access when I was at Hongkong for my internship , I will get back to all of you ASAP , really sorry for that , Leo 2008/11/5 Wong Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Peter and Leigh , I really like the conversation , and want to bring some of my 2 cents , and again from Chinese perspective , I just got back from Hongkong , Let me start from the newspaper reading from Hongkong, In hongkong if you have been , you take MTR a lot and they give you free newspaper to read , the first free newspaper I got from MTR station was talking abt the Milk scandal here in China mainland ( I assume that most of you have heared of it ) have you ? and the way it talked abt the milk scandle is very different from the way I read it from here in China mainland ,I teach Media research in my partime job , I would like my students to be more self-critical on what they read and see , and they need more varieity instead of just one voice , but it is obviously not very possible if you buy Chinese produced newspaper , but luckily or unluckily we have Internet , though Government have the censor here , but still people can be able to read much more different perspecitive for the same news ,I think it is very key for our students , I am thinking abt using the newspaper in my next course here to give them the idea , but again , I don't want to get fired from my school or in Jail so I need to think about something else Leigh is pointing out the very important issue I believe ,is are we creating discrimination or bias when we are being passionate to other educators , I am with him at this point , In China , we have a website called haokanbu www.haokanbu.com , it is a very wondeful web2.0 websites , I used it a lot with my students , however ,I stopped to use it lately , and many of my students gave up using it when they finish my course , and right now , many of Chinese teachers are being very optimistic and postive and passionate on using this platform after I began to use it abt 2 year ago , however , it is a little bit over now I think , they are telling other teachers Hey come on if you don;t want to be left out , come and join us on the stage it will be fun and good to see more people in the same stage but , I am worried that it will creat 2 bad things for both teachers and studetents 1 Teacher feel intimidated if they don;t join in 2 teacher will push their students to use it coz they think many other schools and students are using this ,and one of value web2.0 is creating is we use what our friends use . 3 then we might lose the creativity, even making teachers who don't want to use it right away feel left out , again ,* web2.0 is creating barrier and walls now , not breaking it * However I think Peter is also right in many ways , I just so much enjoy your conversation ,and learned a lot , so please contiue and forgive my interupption . Leo blessings 2008/11/5 Maria Droujkova [EMAIL PROTECTED] Education is a set of tools we grab as needed, for our current work and play. Starting from that (radical unschooling) position... What are things I can be doing with our local math clubs that go beyond personal and intra-club meanings, and toward community meanings? Kids creating purely educational materials so other kids can participate in purely educational projects devoted to creating purely educational materials for purely... This is a bit too self-referential for my taste. I'd like to see kids creating tools so other kids can work and play. What can those be, as far as math is concerned? Asking for ideas. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. -- Leo Wong http://wikieducator.org/user:leolaoshi -- Leo Wong http://wikieducator.org/user:leolaoshi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Not smellin' any poop Leigh... but thanks. On Nov 4, 4:41 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, BTW.. I hope you're not thinking I am poo pooing the K12 project! Not at all! In fact I have already forwarded the story onto a number of people. I especially like the fact that it is more student generated. Just checking that you aren't relating my highlight of a particular way of describing the Wikieducator mission as some how being a criticism of K12 project. Not at all. Its just me being greedy and dominating the thread with other issues - sorry On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Peter, You said: I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) a free curriculum, surely a slip of the tongue Peter? The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about educators who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the Internet has been doing all along. An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) is the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an international set of educators together to offer up and develop free curricula. The other great thing about that is that the wall between learning and life is breaking down. I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many tools or services available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with like minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely joinedhttp://www.smallpieces.com/. Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and its tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy way to backup my work. My OER work (along with millions of other educators) is distributed across the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, Blogger, Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. It is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of that - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves in. Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. Be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo Be Well... Peter On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has done: WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. And, like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to put all the world's educational materials online and make them freely available to everyone on the planet by the year 2015. We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Only trouble is, that ambitious mission is already happening. Everything is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just not all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme
[WikiEducator] Re: K12 initiative making the news
Leigh, I guess we are in non-violent agreement then... ah so were back to the collaborative networky thing... so what does it take to build a node on the network? Is WE just going through the standard lifecycle of becoming a node? Now, I want to see you dance! Peter On Nov 4, 4:36 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, You said: I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) a free curriculum, surely a slip of the tongue Peter? The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about educators who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the Internet has been doing all along. An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) is the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an international set of educators together to offer up and develop free curricula. The other great thing about that is that the wall between learning and life is breaking down. I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many tools or services available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with like minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely joinedhttp://www.smallpieces.com/. Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and its tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy way to backup my work. My OER work (along with millions of other educators) is distributed across the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, Blogger, Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. It is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of that - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves in. Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh, With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. Be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo Be Well... Peter On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has done: WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software. And, like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to put all the world's educational materials online and make them freely available to everyone on the planet by the year 2015. We shoudl copy that and replace all one curriculum sounding lines straight away. Only trouble is, that ambitious mission is already happening. Everything is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just not all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nellie, Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who decidedmaybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme This could be accomplished in several daysjust as a conference runs in terms of time Thoughts, ideas? - Randy On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my students and I have added. You may add
