Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: The Lilypond example @ http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikitex is very COOL. What are your thoughts on the security issues of Wikitext -- i.e.would you install this on your wiki ;-). Also any thoughts on issues or what we might do to deal produce consistent output with the collections extension? Going to be looking into wikitex myself soon, and will report back here what I find re: security. Cheers Wayne -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. Board of Directors, OER Foundation. Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org Mobile +64 21 2436 380 User Page: http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg -- -- Sam Rose Forward Foundation Social Synergy Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.r...@gmail.com http://socialsynergyweb.com http://forwardfound.org http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/ http://socialmediaclassroom.com http://localfoodsystems.org http://notanemployee.net http://communitywiki.org http://wikieducator.org The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition. - Carl Sagan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Hi, I'm new to this list. My name is Joshua Gay and I work at www.ck12.org and I also help run textbookrevolution.org. I am also user jgay on IRC. When it comes to embedding scripting languages or media one approach worth looking at is modtex + wikitex by Peter Danenberg. Here is a link with some examples: http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikitex -- My favorite example is of Lillypond music annotation. What it returns is an image of sheet music as well as a midi file. Obviously there are limitations with this system and it might not provide a complete solution, but form an implementation point of view, Peter has addressed many security concerns in his design of modtex that are worth a look. For those of you who lurk on IRC, Peter runs #wikitex and has username klutometis :-) Also, in terms of embedding videos, one thing at CK12 that we came across when started allow the embedding of videos on our wiki (mediawiki) and our FlexBook service is the issue that YouTube (and increasingly other video sharing sites) often has advertisments tied to the video you stream. There are ways around this in the case of YouTube, but, it poses a general policy issue that is non-technical (as it can effect any type of third-party multimedia) and worth bringing up early on in the discussion. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Cheers, -Josh On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Edward, BTW -- congrats on the progress with the open text book project. Well done! (Have been a little snowed under to get to the posts on the list :-(.) From a values perspective that sounds very reasonable. Personally I don't have the technical knowledge to assess any security related issued with embedding links to external code. This is way above my salary level ;-) That said -- I know that you will be able to provide us with valuable advise on the security issues -- have a chat with Jim. Lets see what we can do. Cheers Wayne On 26 February 2010 18:22, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in embedding links to Python and Smalltalk software of considerable generality, including graphics, animations, and video, and then capturing videos for posting elsewhere. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 19:26, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? What is the best way for us to take this decision? Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. Discussion Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. Licensing. We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of Creative Commons licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
I am interested in embedding links to Python and Smalltalk software of considerable generality, including graphics, animations, and video, and then capturing videos for posting elsewhere. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 19:26, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? What is the best way for us to take this decision? Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. Discussion Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. Licensing. We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of Creative Commons licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. Open file formats. This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video uploaded by BlipTV users who do not register for the Internet Archive service. Fortunately BlipTV provides the functionality to download the video files, even though these are generally supplied in the flv (proprietary file format). The open source FFmpeg project (http://www.ffmpeg.org/) provides tools to convert flv files into open file formats. Therefore, all WikiEducator would have access to free software tools for remixing source video, thus meeting the requirements of the free cultural works definition. Therefore the BlipTV hosting site would provide a service which aligns with our values. There are also Mediawiki wiki extensions available for embedding BlipTV video on WikiEducator pages. Pending a positive assessment of the stability and security of the BlipTV extensions for WikiEducator -- Would the community consider moving forward with providing
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Hi Edward, BTW -- congrats on the progress with the open text book project. Well done! (Have been a little snowed under to get to the posts on the list :-(.) From a values perspective that sounds very reasonable. Personally I don't have the technical knowledge to assess any security related issued with embedding links to external code. This is way above my salary level ;-) That said -- I know that you will be able to provide us with valuable advise on the security issues -- have a chat with Jim. Lets see what we can do. Cheers Wayne On 26 February 2010 18:22, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in embedding links to Python and Smalltalk software of considerable generality, including graphics, animations, and video, and then capturing videos for posting elsewhere. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 19:26, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? What is the best way for us to take this decision? Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. Discussion Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. Licensing. We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of Creative Commons licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. Open file formats. This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video uploaded by BlipTV users who do not register for the Internet Archive service. Fortunately BlipTV provides the functionality to download the video files, even though these are
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Here is a humble additional opinion from newcomer Gene-loeb. I agree that we should try it according to the suggestions of Wayne, Patricia and others. I believe we need to stay with our systems of value ande which will simplify things by having set parameters for choices which is, for inexperienced me a big help. We need to keep up with these advances. Thanks for the conscientiousness and caring of all of you. gene On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. - Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? - What is the best way for us to take this decision? - Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. *Discussion* Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. - *Licensing.* We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of *Creative Commons* licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. - *Open file formats. *This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video uploaded by BlipTV users who do not register for the Internet Archive service. Fortunately BlipTV provides the functionality to download the video files, even though these are generally supplied in the flv (proprietary file format). The open source FFmpeg project ( http://www.ffmpeg.org/) provides tools to convert flv files into open file formats. Therefore, all WikiEducator would have access to free software tools for remixing source video, thus meeting the requirements of the free
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Thanks Wayne. This idea would be especially useful for Sub-Sahara countries. More than 80% of learners may not access internet.The situation could be worse for primary and secondary schools. Elizabeth --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: From: Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources? To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 3:23 PM Thanks Elizabeth, Appreciate your vote. You will see from my response to Alison that we're thinking about ways in which we would be able to provide offline versions of rich media, especially for learners who may not have access to the internet. Cheers Wayne On 20 February 2010 03:05, elizabeth mbasu emb...@yahoo.com wrote: Videos turn abstract concepts into real and contribute to constructive learning. I vote for incorporating links to suitable video sites. Elizabeth --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Mary lightst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mary lightst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources? To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:39 PM I would find embedding videos useful. they are such a strong teaching meduim. Blip tv sounds like a via solution from what I understood of your explanation. I would vote to proceed with this worthy project. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? What is the best way for us to take this decision? Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. Discussion Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. Licensing. We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of Creative Commons licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. Open file formats. This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Videos turn abstract concepts into real and contribute to constructive learning. I vote for incorporating links to suitable video sites. Elizabeth --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Mary lightst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mary lightst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources? To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:39 PM I would find embedding videos useful. they are such a strong teaching meduim. Blip tv sounds like a via solution from what I understood of your explanation. I would vote to proceed with this worthy project. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips?What is the best way for us to take this decision? Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. Discussion Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. Licensing. We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of Creative Commons licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. Open file formats. This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video uploaded by BlipTV users who do not register for the Internet Archive service. Fortunately BlipTV provides the functionality to download the video files, even though these are generally supplied in the flv (proprietary file format). The open source FFmpeg project (http://www.ffmpeg.org/) provides tools to convert flv files into open file formats. Therefore, all WikiEducator would have access to free software tools for remixing source
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
I add my voice to the growing chorus smile - Randy PS. Barbara - do you want to open a dialogue up with that reference - Open Video Alliance that you suggested? - Randy On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:05 AM, elizabeth mbasu emb...@yahoo.com wrote: Videos turn abstract concepts into real and contribute to constructive learning. I vote for incorporating links to suitable video sites. Elizabeth --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Mary lightst...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Mary lightst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources? To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:39 PM I would find embedding videos useful. they are such a strong teaching meduim. Blip tv sounds like a via solution from what I understood of your explanation. I would vote to proceed with this worthy project. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. - Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? - What is the best way for us to take this decision? - Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. *Discussion* Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. - *Licensing.* We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of *Creative Commons* licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. - *Open file formats. *This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
PS. Barbara - do you want to open a dialogue up with that reference - Open Video Alliance that you suggested? What do you mean, Randy? Contact them and check whether they would be interested in bringing their Open Video expertise to WE? Is this of interest to the community? B. -- Barbara Dieu http://barbaradieu.com http://beespace.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Hi Barbara, Contact them - tell them about WikiEducator - and ask them what their interests are, and how it might be possible to work together and/or support each other. - Randy On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Barbara Dieu beeonl...@gmail.com wrote: PS. Barbara - do you want to open a dialogue up with that reference - Open Video Alliance that you suggested? What do you mean, Randy? Contact them and check whether they would be interested in bringing their Open Video expertise to WE? Is this of interest to the community? B. -- Barbara Dieu http://barbaradieu.com http://beespace.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -- Open Education is a sustainable and renewable resource. Randy Fisher, MA, OMD Senior Consultant, Change Transition Management, Intersol Group, Canada Senior Consultant, Organization Business Development International Centre for Open Education / OER Foundation, New Zealand Elected Member, WikiEducator Community Council, www.wikieducator.org +1 613.722.5577 (EST) Skype: wikirandy Twitter: wikirandy * Change / Transition Management, Integration Performance * Organization Design Development * Project Implementation Stakeholder Engagement * E-Learning, Online Collaboration Learning Communities * Coaching Facilitation * My Bio: http://www.communitybuildingexpert.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Hi Allison, I think a trial period is sensible. We can see how this works, think carefully about processes, procedures and pilot any templates that may be required to support embedding video links in ways which align with our community values. With this experience we would then be in a position to think about a community workgroup to formulate guidelines or policy if required. My thinking is that we need to be very clear that we will start with a trial period -- which means that we can adapt. modify or revert back to the default position in good wiki tradition :-). Excellent question regarding what we should do with rich media for print versions. We've been a bit of thinking about this and have laid the foundations for doing some interesting technical magic for the future. When WE first specified the requirements for the development of our Wiki == pdf technology in collaboration with Pedia Press and the Wikimedia foundation ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikis_Go_Printable ) we made sure that it would be possible to specify print specific behaviours for Mediawiki templates. So for example, we can exclude navigation templates from printing or alternatively specify a different layout for the print version. This would be useful for online interaction like multiple choice questions with feedback for correct and incorrect answers. Online the learner will click their choice and receive immediate feedback. In the print version, we may want to print the answers and feedback at the end of the chapter. Similarly, if a learning resource contains rich media like a video, the print version could indicate an activity for the learner to view, for instance, Video No.1 on the CD provided with course materials -- When a print collection is compiled, the WikiEducator/ Mediawiki software could generate a master CDROM image with the correct numbering of the videos and cross references. This CDROM could be duplicated locally and posted with the print versions of the study guides. The vast majority of learners around the world do not have reliable and/or affordable connectivity -- therefore this technology is vital for widening access to open content. Technically this would be possible, and we have established the foundations to move forward. The development of this technology is on the OER Foundation roadmap --- the missing piece is finding the funding for the software development work. That said, its been my experience that all good projects get funded :-). In the interim we could develop a Video template where the print version will provide urls for the video downloads -- which is why its important for us to ensure that educators / learners must have access to downloadable versions of rich media. Wow -- can you imagine the impact these technologies could have in widening access to high quality learning materials, all available under free content licenses :-) Hey -- lets make the future happen. Cheers Wayne On 20 February 2010 02:32, Alison Snieckus alison.sniec...@gmail.comwrote: Wayne, As Mary indicated, embedded videos are certainly an enhancement to the learning environment. Being able to directly connect to videos hosted elsewhere and to source and repurpose videos would be a wonderful addiition to WikiEducator's platform. I vote to add the necessary technology so we can try this out. A trial period seems like a good idea. Just wondering, do we have a current solution for handling audio, video and screencasts in the print and offline versions of WE content? I think it's important to keep this need in mind when creating content, although I have to say I'm not completely up on the options here. Alison On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. - Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? - What is the best way for us to take this decision? - Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. *Discussion* Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Thanks Elizabeth, Appreciate your vote. You will see from my response to Alison that we're thinking about ways in which we would be able to provide offline versions of rich media, especially for learners who may not have access to the internet. Cheers Wayne On 20 February 2010 03:05, elizabeth mbasu emb...@yahoo.com wrote: Videos turn abstract concepts into real and contribute to constructive learning. I vote for incorporating links to suitable video sites. Elizabeth --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Mary lightst...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Mary lightst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources? To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:39 PM I would find embedding videos useful. they are such a strong teaching meduim. Blip tv sounds like a via solution from what I understood of your explanation. I would vote to proceed with this worthy project. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. - Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? - What is the best way for us to take this decision? - Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. *Discussion* Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. - *Licensing.* We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of *Creative Commons* licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. - *Open file formats. *This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However,
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
I would find embedding videos useful. they are such a strong teaching meduim. Blip tv sounds like a via solution from what I understood of your explanation. I would vote to proceed with this worthy project. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. - Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? - What is the best way for us to take this decision? - Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. *Discussion* Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. - *Licensing.* We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of *Creative Commons* licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. - *Open file formats. *This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video uploaded by BlipTV users who do not register for the Internet Archive service. Fortunately BlipTV provides the functionality to download the video files, even though these are generally supplied in the flv (proprietary file format). The open source FFmpeg project ( http://www.ffmpeg.org/) provides tools to convert flv files into open file formats. Therefore, all WikiEducator would have access to free software tools for remixing source video, thus meeting the requirements of the free cultural works definition. Therefore the BlipTV hosting site would provide a service which aligns with our values. There are also Mediawiki wiki extensions available for embedding BlipTV video on WikiEducator
Re: [WikiEducator] Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Hi Wayne, I have been using blip.tv for quite some time and it works really well. I know Nellie for sure and Gladys I am sure as well. I also use TipCam to record on-screen instructions, if I want to get instructions across by demonstrating them. The same applies to YouTube, I use them all the time. Flexibility would be great to have, it enriches a learning environment and adds to one's point at times. We could use a Doodle Poll. I think it is www.doodle.com You list your choices and people can enter their name and vote. It works rather well. I would have to check the licensing (smile!) I also found this link with lots of open source applications, you might want to take a look at. Maybe we could use some of these. http://cogdogroo.wikispaces.com/StoryTools Cheers, Patricia On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, In the past we've received requests from many community members to implement the functionality to embed links to video hosted on third party sites (eg Youtube, BlipTV Vimeo etc). Now that WikiEducator is hosted independently by the OER Foundation, we have more flexibility and autonomy to take a community decision concerning on third party video. - Do WikiEducators want the ability to embed links to video clips? - What is the best way for us to take this decision? - Should we have a trial period to see how this works? We need and invite your feedback -- so please post your replies to this list. We will consider all feedback posted over the next two weeks, before deciding on the next steps. Apology for the long email -- but I provide some discussion points below. Third party video is not a simple matter when it comes to the values and meaning of freedom as interpreted by our community values. *Discussion* Embedding video is not a simple question of turning a switch to enable links to third party hosted video. Technically speaking, this is relatively easy to achieve. However, there are many issues associated with digital video and our core values of the WikiEducator project which we need to consider, most notably the essential freedoms. WE subscribe to the free cultural works definition and WE need to find a solution which aligns with what we believe as a community OER project. I've been sound boarding a few ideas with colleagues and friends and would appreciate your input and feedback on a few baseline requirements and suggestions. - *Licensing.* We must be able to identify and search for appropriately licensed video content. This is to ensure that video content we embed adheres to the requirements of the definition of free cultural works. In practice this means we can only use video hosting sites which clearly tag their video content with the relevant copyright license as well as corresponding search functionality to identify resources which are appropriately licensed (eg. CC-0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL and the public domain declaration), Therefore, Youtube (for example) would not meet this requirement as their existing conditions of service would not enable the implementation of license tagging. Currently WIkiEducator users would not be able to differentiate openly licensed videos from all rights reserved content. However, BlipTV allows users to choose from a number of *Creative Commons* licenses to apply to their work, and videos are searchable by license. This would enable WIkiEducators to use the Creative Commons search (http://search.creativecommons.org/) facility to easily identify appropriately licensed video on BlipTV. - *Open file formats. *This is a requirement to ensure that our content is stored and accessible in formats which can be edited using free/open source software. In addition this means that source files should be available for download. No WikiEducator should be forced to purchase a license for non-free software in order to remix and create a derivative work from our site. Most video sites (with the exception, for instance, of the Wikimedia Commons) encode video for web delivery using the Flash Video Format (flv) which is a proprietary file format. BlipTV provide a service for their registered users who also have an account with the Internet Archive (http://blip.tv/prefs/archiveorg/ ). In short this facility enables archiving of downloadable video files including the open file format (ogg Theora). Therefore, WikiEducator users who upload video files to BlipTV could register for the Internet Archive service making it easier for educators to download video in the formats of their choice for remix purposes. However, this feature would not solve the problem of open file formats for the video uploaded by BlipTV users who do not register for the Internet Archive service. Fortunately BlipTV provides the functionality to download the
