Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published
Hi Andy, The password isn't a single point of failure in the sense that Jarry and Ed both had the password and either of them might have become available to publish hours or days later, but I felt the Signpost was already late, we had enough material to publish, and waiting another week would mean we would lose the work that had gone into the Traffic Report and we would need to reformat the Featured Content Report to add another week's worth of material. This is the first time I have felt confident enough to make a decision to publish in Ed's absence with Tony's agreement, so this is the first time I have needed the password. Tony and I now have the password. I hope that future publications are normal even if Ed is absent. Thanks for your interest in the Signpost. Do you have any other questions? Pete, thanks for your comments. It is good to feel that the Signpost's all-volunteer staff is appreciated. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reset the Internet
I think that a part of it is putting up another banner, to advertise privacy tools. That would presumably require community support and discussion before it could be done... On 2 Jun 2014 03:53, Moiz Syed ms...@wikimedia.org wrote: https://www.resetthenet.org/ I see EFF, Reddit, FSF in the list of supporting organizations. Why isn't Wikimedia/Wikipedia part of this? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reset the Internet
Hi
Is this what is supposed to happen when you sign it?
{data:{success:true}}
Some coding error?
Rui
2014-06-02 9:42 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
:
I think that a part of it is putting up another banner, to advertise
privacy tools. That would presumably require community support and
discussion before it could be done...
On 2 Jun 2014 03:53, Moiz Syed ms...@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://www.resetthenet.org/
I see EFF, Reddit, FSF in the list of supporting organizations. Why isn't
Wikimedia/Wikipedia part of this?
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[Wikimedia-l] So now the Wikipedia comes in handy to 'vouch' for 419 scams
I expect to see an increase in these once the idea spreads Rui -- *From:* Jourdan Hilaire *Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:00 AM *To:* Jourdan Hilaire *Subject:* Grants I, Liliane Bettencourt Authenticate this email of 3.5M USD grant to you, please view my link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt and Email me on bettencourtlilian...@rogers.com for more info -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] So now the Wikipedia comes in handy to 'vouch' for 419 scams
Sure sure, very credible. Am 02.06.2014 12:58 schrieb Rui Correia correia@gmail.com: I expect to see an increase in these once the idea spreads Rui -- *From:* Jourdan Hilaire *Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:00 AM *To:* Jourdan Hilaire *Subject:* Grants I, Liliane Bettencourt Authenticate this email of 3.5M USD grant to you, please view my link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt and Email me on bettencourtlilian...@rogers.com for more info -- _ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
There is no intention to hide the costs to the chapter of the Chapter's involvement in the Wikiconference Berlin, but it is not a simple calculation. One person was asking for trustee expenses, others are asking how much we (WMUK) spent on the entire conference (including staff, volunteers, speakers, trustees etc). I hope to clarify this here. So for trustee expenses: not all of the board went as trustees, as two (at least) were invited as speakers - reporting that as a trustee cost wouldn't be accurate. As to staff – I attended as the Chief Executive, but the other two staff were also invited speakers. One of the staff had some costs paid by the Foundation. As to the cost mine was probably on the low end, as I booked my flight early and always use public transport or bicycles, but from recollection (and I have to sign off all trustee expenses) the total cost to the chapter is close to £2600. My expenses are here https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Expenses_2014-2015 and give a good baseline. The trustees are discussing how best to itemise expenses in a way that ensures an appropriate level of transparency at the board meeting this Saturday. I do not know why anyone would call the conference a 'junket', that needs a citation I'd think, but it was, as I have explained before in detail, a productive working three days at a reasonable cost to the chapter. If you think it was a junket then the whole conference could be judged a waste of money and the previous ones as well - and they aren't. The reality is that these are important working conferences where chapters and other organisations meet to discuss best practice. Jon Davies. On 1 June 2014 12:22, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the links that you have provided and I find it totally unacceptable that an organisation can not provide costs for sending 8 people on a junket to New York. When I have operated businesses in the real world, I have been able to pull up any financial information (expenses, revenue, etc) within a matter of seconds and with a click of a mouse. It is astounding that WMUK is not able to do the same thing. That Richard Symonds is saying that it is not a good use of resources, and basically putting it in the too hard basket, to supply the amount of donor dollars which have been spent on this controversial junket is, to use a great British colloquialism, total bollocks. WMUK is an organisation which blows its own trumpet on how transparent it has become in the last 2 years, so it seriously should not be too difficult to do this in a timely fashion. Cheers Russavia The conference was in Berlin, not New York. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014 ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reset the Internet
Moiz Syed, 02/06/2014 04:53: I see EFF, Reddit, FSF in the list of supporting organizations. Why isn't Wikimedia/Wikipedia part of this? «Websites: Pledge to add SSL, HSTS PFS protection this year; it matters!» None of these is in the works. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS/Future_work Some volunteer work is happening but HSTS was excluded. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/132393/ Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] So now the Wikipedia comes in handy to 'vouch' for 419 scams
I, Liliane Bettencourt Authenticate this email of 3.5M USD grant to
you, please view my
link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt{{fv}} and Email me on
bettencourtlilian...@rogers.com for more info
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner
Just adding my personal thanks, Sue. You've taken the Foundation from infancy to maturity - one of the hardest spins in the life cycle of an organization and one of the most enduring legacies any leader can leave behind. You've literally laid the foundation for the Foundation. :) It's been an extraordinary pleasure working with you and I hope (and expect) that you will continue to go from strength to strength. Raising my glass to you, Bishakha On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello Everyone, As Lila officially takes over from Sue as the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation after this weekend it really is a moment to not only wish Lila a lot of succes in the coming years, but also to give a tremendous thanks to Sue for her work in the past years. Of course I did so last year in March when she announced her departure but it bears repeating that Sue took us from a small organisation in St. Petersburg Florida, which was struggling to create impact, to a mature and stable organisation which makes a huge difference. Building up a professional staff who are dedicated to our mission, incredible fundraising growth and working through complex situations to create concepts such as the FDC stand out amongst many other achievements. It was Sue herself who indicated that it was time to find a new Executive Director, someone who was more suitable for our focus on Engineering and Grantmaking. As I mentioned more than a year ago, its hard to imagine the Wikimedia Foundation without Sue at the helm. However, due in large part to her efforts we have managed to find a new Executive Director who gives me confidence in the future of the Foundation. I am happy that we managed to find the “unicorn” that we were looking for, but that didn’t happen by accident. Most of you know that we concluded the first round of our search in early december with candidates that we did not feel were ideal for the job. We decided to change our tactics and this involved both Erik and Sue spending a lot of their (spare) time with potential candidates and making sure that we were getting the right candidates. As a result our second round had a great set of candidates, which ultimately led to the selection of Lila. On the transition team Sue has been very crucial in holding up a mirror and reminding us what we were looking for. After a well deserved vacation Sue will be available as a Special Advisor to both the Lila and the Board of Trustees and we are grateful to her for making herself available to do this. However, what intrigues me more is what she will end up doing in the coming years. I am hoping it is in the space of Open Content or the Open Internet, as she will undoubtedly have a tremendous impact in there, and we need her! I am also happy to inform you that Sue will attend a part of Wikimania where she will for once not have an packed schedule, so feel free to take the opportunity to thank her in person if you are so inclined :) On behalf of the entire Board and all the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation: thank you so much all that you have given the Foundation, and especially your efforts in the past year to ensure that there was both stability within our organisation and a great succesor. Jan-Bart de Vreede Chair Wikimedia Board of Trustees ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There is no intention to hide the costs to the chapter of the Chapter's involvement in the Wikiconference Berlin, but it is not a simple calculation. One person was asking for trustee expenses, others are asking how much we (WMUK) spent on the entire conference (including staff, volunteers, speakers, trustees etc). I hope to clarify this here. So for trustee expenses: not all of the board went as trustees, as two (at least) were invited as speakers - reporting that as a trustee cost wouldn't be accurate. As to staff – I attended as the Chief Executive, but the other two staff were also invited speakers. One of the staff had some costs paid by the Foundation. As to the cost mine was probably on the low end, as I booked my flight early and always use public transport or bicycles, but from recollection (and I have to sign off all trustee expenses) the total cost to the chapter is close to £2600. My expenses are here https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Expenses_2014-2015 and give a good baseline. The trustees are discussing how best to itemise expenses in a way that ensures an appropriate level of transparency at the board meeting this Saturday. I do not know why anyone would call the conference a 'junket', that needs a citation I'd think, but it was, as I have explained before in detail, a productive working three days at a reasonable cost to the chapter. If you think it was a junket then the whole conference could be judged a waste of money and the previous ones as well - and they aren't. The reality is that these are important working conferences where chapters and other organisations meet to discuss best practice. Jon Davies. It's a simple and basically fair question - how much did the WMUK spend on the Wikimedia Conference 2014? Whether a particular expense can be classified as staff, or trustee, or speaker, or etc. is interesting but not crucial to answering the question. Given the strained relationship with Ashley I can understand the reluctance to respond, but I don't think there is a strong moral basis for not providing the round total number. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Two special workshops before Wikimania.
Hello fellow Wikimedians, *Two special events just before Wikimania aimed at spreading good practice.* *Governance workshop 7th of August.* Based on the successful board training workshop held in March this year, we are organising another such workshop, this time coinciding with Wikimania here in London. This workshop will be based on the successful March training workshop, with largely the same material covered. It's intended for people who are (or will shortly be) board members of Chapters or Thematic Organisations. This session is planned for 7 August 2014, i.e. as a pre-meeting to Wikimania. For more details, including a provisional agenda and registration link, please go to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_August_2014. Places are strictly limited, on a first come first served basis. *Train the Trainers - two day course. 4th and 5th of August* We are also hosting an international version of our successful 'Train the trainers' workshop which we've advertised to you previously. The application deadline for a place there is Sunday 15 June. More information and registration is at https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/civicrm/event/info?id=68reset=1. Don't miss out on a place, especially if you have previously indicated an interest in attending but have not yet registered. Hope to see many of you in London in August, Katie -- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534 PGP Key-ID: 0x483767A3 Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
£2600, our current estimate, seems good value. Some bloke is charging me £120 to come and tell me my dishwasher is broken On 2 June 2014 14:35, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There is no intention to hide the costs to the chapter of the Chapter's involvement in the Wikiconference Berlin, but it is not a simple calculation. One person was asking for trustee expenses, others are asking how much we (WMUK) spent on the entire conference (including staff, volunteers, speakers, trustees etc). I hope to clarify this here. So for trustee expenses: not all of the board went as trustees, as two (at least) were invited as speakers - reporting that as a trustee cost wouldn't be accurate. As to staff – I attended as the Chief Executive, but the other two staff were also invited speakers. One of the staff had some costs paid by the Foundation. As to the cost mine was probably on the low end, as I booked my flight early and always use public transport or bicycles, but from recollection (and I have to sign off all trustee expenses) the total cost to the chapter is close to £2600. My expenses are here https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Expenses_2014-2015 and give a good baseline. The trustees are discussing how best to itemise expenses in a way that ensures an appropriate level of transparency at the board meeting this Saturday. I do not know why anyone would call the conference a 'junket', that needs a citation I'd think, but it was, as I have explained before in detail, a productive working three days at a reasonable cost to the chapter. If you think it was a junket then the whole conference could be judged a waste of money and the previous ones as well - and they aren't. The reality is that these are important working conferences where chapters and other organisations meet to discuss best practice. Jon Davies. It's a simple and basically fair question - how much did the WMUK spend on the Wikimedia Conference 2014? Whether a particular expense can be classified as staff, or trustee, or speaker, or etc. is interesting but not crucial to answering the question. Given the strained relationship with Ashley I can understand the reluctance to respond, but I don't think there is a strong moral basis for not providing the round total number. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons
Does AffCom report on the status or disposition of applications for affiliation? Is there a grid of pending applications, prior applications and outcomes (with explanations, if negative)? That would be a handy way of increasing transparency for this process for both participants and community observers. I looked for one in the AffCom meta garden but couldn't find anything quite like that. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
£2600 for everything. Got to get on! Don't want to get accused of hogging the lists! On 2 June 2014 14:48, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: £2600, our current estimate, seems good value. Some bloke is charging me £120 to come and tell me my dishwasher is broken Perhaps I misunderstood - £2600 is the total for all WMUK expenditures for all attendees? Or just your own? (And your link, by the way, says £226 for yourself and the total for all listed expenses is around £2050). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: £2600 for everything. Got to get on! Don't want to get accused of hogging the lists! Thanks Jon! Sorry for my confusion, appreciate the response. (And its a new month, and a new posting limit!). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons
Hi Nathan, There is a shortish overview at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Reports/2012#State_of_affiliates . In general, we very rarely reject applications outright publicly -- more often than not, an application will run until we have worked with the group to the point that they meet the requirements for approval, or they realise that they do not want to pursue approval. You can follow all the groups that are seeking approval in our Meta garden at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#Chapters_in_discussion_phase, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_thematic_organizations#Planned_thematic_organizations and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups#Planned_user_groups. (Cannot guarantee that all groups have listed themselves there, but it is a wiki, so anyone can add the missing ones.) On the same pages you will find all the approved ones with links to the relevant resolutions that give some explanations to the reasons (although they are quite general, as they all assert the belief of AffCom that the affiliate in question meets the requirements for recognition). Best regards, Bence On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Does AffCom report on the status or disposition of applications for affiliation? Is there a grid of pending applications, prior applications and outcomes (with explanations, if negative)? That would be a handy way of increasing transparency for this process for both participants and community observers. I looked for one in the AffCom meta garden but couldn't find anything quite like that. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
Congratulations my friends!! I had the opportunity to work with our fellows from Ukraine for the Wiki Loves Earth Brasil and it was a really great experience!! We received all support and guidance to organize a really successful contest! Keep rocking!! Best regards! Rodrigo Padula Education Program Coordinator - Brazil / Ação Educativa Wikimedia Community User Group Brazil 2014-05-31 16:13 GMT-03:00 Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au: - оригінальне повідомлення - Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary Від кого: Levon Azizian levonaziz...@bigmir.net Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна bo...@wikimedia.in.ua Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40, Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date of creation. Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine. Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the threshold of 500 000 articles. We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course to our community for their contributions! Regards, Levon Azizian Deputy chair Wikimedia Ukraine -- The greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help Wikipedia, participate now: http://wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date of creation. Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine. Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the threshold of 500 000 articles. We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course to our community for their contributions! Regards, Levon Azizian Deputy chair Wikimedia Ukraine Congratulations! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
Jon, On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: £2600, our current estimate, seems good value. Some bloke is charging me £120 to come and tell me my dishwasher is broken And I can tell you that the conference hasn't resulted in a single new long-term editor on our projects, did nothing to address the gender gap on our projects in any way that can be seen in metrics, did nothing to create heaps of content, did nothing to address issues relating to our infrastructure/software, etc. Unlike the dishwasher guy who charged you £120 to tell you the bleeding obvious that something is broken, I am willing to give you the above comments for free. Regards, Russavia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
Russavia, Do you remember like me reading why these people came to this conference? In that light, do your remarks provide us with any connection to these objectives? .Do you know the topics of the presentations given? Do you know the topics of the conversations that happened inside and outside the scheduled meetings? Can you imagine that the result may be increased cooperation and less waste because of shared information on best practices? Thanks, GerardM On 2 June 2014 19:18, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: £2600, our current estimate, seems good value. Some bloke is charging me £120 to come and tell me my dishwasher is broken And I can tell you that the conference hasn't resulted in a single new long-term editor on our projects, did nothing to address the gender gap on our projects in any way that can be seen in metrics, did nothing to create heaps of content, did nothing to address issues relating to our infrastructure/software, etc. Unlike the dishwasher guy who charged you £120 to tell you the bleeding obvious that something is broken, I am willing to give you the above comments for free. Regards, Russavia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner
Hello dear all, one of the most memorable moment in my work together with Sue was one evening in October 2011. As some of you may remember that the years 2010 to 2012 were especially difficult years in relationship between the Foundation and the chapters. The Foundation experimented a few approaches and changed again and again its direction. And the discussion about how to distribute the funds raised on our projects had repeatedly kindled, sometimes very violent confrontations. On one of the board meetings earlier of 2011 Sue said to the board that she never considered this confrontation as a question of who wins. She wanted a good and sound solution for the problems that are out there. After the Haifa Wikimania the discussion became even hotter and sometimes it really felt insulting. I always considered myself as a person who is very ballanced and who can keep his tempel, but at that point I must say that I was very unnerved by the dispute. We had our board meeting in San Francisco and after that Sue asked me to stay for a few days to give a speech on the All Hands Meeting of the staff. So one evening we went out for a dinner together and naturally, the discussion came back to the fund raising and fund dissemination topic. And I asked Sue with a sigh:Do you still think that it is not about who wins? And she said:Yes, of cause not. At that moment I felt a trimendous respect for this woman, and I must confess that I felt also a bit ashamed for myself because I was on the edge to lost my ballance. For me Sue is one of the most respectable person I know, not only because of her achievements and her work, but especially because of her attitude. Greetings Ting Am 01.06.2014 21:26, schrieb Jan-Bart de Vreede: Hello Everyone, As Lila officially takes over from Sue as the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation after this weekend it really is a moment to not only wish Lila a lot of succes in the coming years, but also to give a tremendous thanks to Sue for her work in the past years. Of course I did so last year in March when she announced her departure but it bears repeating that Sue took us from a small organisation in St. Petersburg Florida, which was struggling to create impact, to a mature and stable organisation which makes a huge difference. Building up a professional staff who are dedicated to our mission, incredible fundraising growth and working through complex situations to create concepts such as the FDC stand out amongst many other achievements. It was Sue herself who indicated that it was time to find a new Executive Director, someone who was more suitable for our focus on Engineering and Grantmaking. As I mentioned more than a year ago, its hard to imagine the Wikimedia Foundation without Sue at the helm. However, due in large part to her efforts we have managed to find a new Executive Director who gives me confidence in the future of the Foundation. I am happy that we managed to find the “unicorn” that we were looking for, but that didn’t happen by accident. Most of you know that we concluded the first round of our search in early december with candidates that we did not feel were ideal for the job. We decided to change our tactics and this involved both Erik and Sue spending a lot of their (spare) time with potential candidates and making sure that we were getting the right candidates. As a result our second round had a great set of candidates, which ultimately led to the selection of Lila. On the transition team Sue has been very crucial in holding up a mirror and reminding us what we were looking for. After a well deserved vacation Sue will be available as a Special Advisor to both the Lila and the Board of Trustees and we are grateful to her for making herself available to do this. However, what intrigues me more is what she will end up doing in the coming years. I am hoping it is in the space of Open Content or the Open Internet, as she will undoubtedly have a tremendous impact in there, and we need her! I am also happy to inform you that Sue will attend a part of Wikimania where she will for once not have an packed schedule, so feel free to take the opportunity to thank her in person if you are so inclined :) On behalf of the entire Board and all the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation: thank you so much all that you have given the Foundation, and especially your efforts in the past year to ensure that there was both stability within our organisation and a great succesor. Jan-Bart de Vreede Chair Wikimedia Board of Trustees ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
Very nice work!! Take good care, Amy On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date of creation. Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine. Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the threshold of 500 000 articles. We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course to our community for their contributions! Regards, Levon Azizian Deputy chair Wikimedia Ukraine Congratulations! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Amy Vossbrinck* *Executive Assistant to the* *Chief of Finance and Administration, Garfield Byrd* *Wikimedia Foundation* *149 New Montgomery Street* *San Francisco, CA 94105* *415.839.6885 ext 6628* *avossbri...@wikimedia.org avossbri...@wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner
I want to join and say also, thank you Sue! Jan-Bart already mentioned your huge contribution to the movement, but I want to add one more thing: I know many professional managers. But to find people who are great mangers in a big organizations who are also warm and hearty for other, who don't put themselves above others - is more rare. And Sue was one of this unique persons. She wasn't only the ED, she was one of us. Managing a 200 employees foundation with 60$M budget, but still available for every volunteer that wanted to speak with her - knowing many of them personally, always with her huge smile and her personal style. As I said many times - I didn't always agreed with her decision, but I always appreciated the professionalism and the way she did things. Thank you Sue! And I'll uses this opportunity also to say good luck Lila! On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello Everyone, As Lila officially takes over from Sue as the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation after this weekend it really is a moment to not only wish Lila a lot of succes in the coming years, but also to give a tremendous thanks to Sue for her work in the past years. Of course I did so last year in March when she announced her departure but it bears repeating that Sue took us from a small organisation in St. Petersburg Florida, which was struggling to create impact, to a mature and stable organisation which makes a huge difference. Building up a professional staff who are dedicated to our mission, incredible fundraising growth and working through complex situations to create concepts such as the FDC stand out amongst many other achievements. It was Sue herself who indicated that it was time to find a new Executive Director, someone who was more suitable for our focus on Engineering and Grantmaking. As I mentioned more than a year ago, its hard to imagine the Wikimedia Foundation without Sue at the helm. However, due in large part to her efforts we have managed to find a new Executive Director who gives me confidence in the future of the Foundation. I am happy that we managed to find the “unicorn” that we were looking for, but that didn’t happen by accident. Most of you know that we concluded the first round of our search in early december with candidates that we did not feel were ideal for the job. We decided to change our tactics and this involved both Erik and Sue spending a lot of their (spare) time with potential candidates and making sure that we were getting the right candidates. As a result our second round had a great set of candidates, which ultimately led to the selection of Lila. On the transition team Sue has been very crucial in holding up a mirror and reminding us what we were looking for. After a well deserved vacation Sue will be available as a Special Advisor to both the Lila and the Board of Trustees and we are grateful to her for making herself available to do this. However, what intrigues me more is what she will end up doing in the coming years. I am hoping it is in the space of Open Content or the Open Internet, as she will undoubtedly have a tremendous impact in there, and we need her! I am also happy to inform you that Sue will attend a part of Wikimania where she will for once not have an packed schedule, so feel free to take the opportunity to thank her in person if you are so inclined :) On behalf of the entire Board and all the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation: thank you so much all that you have given the Foundation, and especially your efforts in the past year to ensure that there was both stability within our organisation and a great succesor. Jan-Bart de Vreede Chair Wikimedia Board of Trustees ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you...
Le 02/06/2014 20:28, Ting Chen a écrit : Hello dear all, one of the most memorable moment in my work together with Sue was one evening in October 2011. As some of you may remember that the years 2010 to 2012 were especially difficult years in relationship between the Foundation and the chapters. The Foundation experimented a few approaches and changed again and again its direction. And the discussion about how to distribute the funds raised on our projects had repeatedly kindled, sometimes very violent confrontations. (..) That's interesting though I'm not sure I exactly get between who was the violent confrontations. I don't blame my chapter for being at present the model student under the set rules for chapters, yet I deplore the long-lasting fight against the chapter's autonomy or growth and feel in accordance with the criticisms that were made notably by Wikimedia Deutchland and Wikimedia UK: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Open_letter_to_Sue_Gardner_regarding_non-renewal.pdf -- Mathias Damour https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Astirmays ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
On 2 Jun 2014, at 13:27, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So for trustee expenses: not all of the board went as trustees, as two (at least) were invited as speakers - reporting that as a trustee cost wouldn't be accurate. As to staff – I attended as the Chief Executive, but the other two staff were also invited speakers. One of the staff had some costs paid by the Foundation. I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Would the trustees/staff have been invited as speakers if they weren't trustees/staff? If not, then why make the distinction here? Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
Chris writes: If as a private citizen in the EU you construct a card-file index of newspaper cuttings (or any other kind of database) including personal details about a group of individuals, you are becoming both a data processor and data controller. I think that's the plain meaning of the ECJ decision. It would be hard to argue that a Wikipedia article or Wikidata entry does not represent personal data in a retrievable form. I agree here too. It would be an interesting question whether the Wikimedia Foundation or individual Wikimedians were data processors and controllers. The court would have to decide who was the controller of this data, if indeed there was one. My intuition is that a European court, and certainly the ECJ, would be likely to hold either or both WMF and individual Wikimedians liable. No need to choose between one or the other, given the breadth of the definitions. I don't believe Wikipedia could be a data controller as it has no legal personality, and legal personality is quite difficult to acquire when you set out to avoid acquiring it. On this point I must disagree. However, even if my line of thinking is correct, I think Wikipedia's existing policies wouldn't need much amendment. Processing of personal data is allowed so long as it complies with the various duties on data processors, e.g. being accurate and processed for a legitimate purpose. Accuracy is no defense! That's one of the chief lessons of the ECJ opinion. And building an encyclopedia is not named as a legitimate purpose by the ECJ. (If it were, all Google would have to do is revive its own experiment in encyclopedias, Knol, but this time give it a compatible Creative Commons license.) We have quite a clear purpose in processing data - the provision of an encyclopedia. We already limit ourselves to truthful and accurate coverage of data subjects (e.g. the BLP policy); and we already have something analogous to a public-interest test as to whether we process this data at all (the notability principle). Google has a clear purpose too, and it was no defense. Plus, there is a public-interest argument in favor of eschewing the erasure of true, accurate public data that happens to be old. Plus, it must be said, Wikimedia Foundation is not well-positioned to litigate these issues again and again in Europe. --Mike On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris writes: As I understand it, the right to be forgotten will only affect the discoverability of content, rather than existence of content. So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago, and X succeeds in invoking their right to be forgotten, then the source will no longer appear in search engine results. The source, whether offline or online, will continue to exist and will continue to be a valid reference. My understanding may well be wrong, and if there is anything that summarises this issue as it affects Wikimedians I would be really interested to read it. Your understanding is essentially correct, as far as it goes. The ECJ (aka Curia) opinion makes clear that the decision applies to search engines but not (yet) to the databases of source journals (such as The New York Times or the Guardian). But of course it can affect the work of Wikipedia editors and other Wikimedians looking for online sources if search engine results can be censored in this way. In addition, it seems possible that the ECJ opinion can be understood to apply to Wikipedia itself, which, while not a search engine, may qualify as a controller as that word is defined under Article 2 of Directive 95/46 of the European Parliament (on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data). Look at these relevant definitions from the text of the ECJ opinion: Hi Mike - thanks for the reply! Having looked and thought about it in a bit more depth, I am pretty sure that you're right and that a case can be made this precedent will apply to Wikimedians and possibly the Wikimedia Foundation. Whether that is something we need to worry about is another issue, but this is my reasoning (obviously I'm not a lawyer, etc, and I doubt this post contains anything you don't already know but it's a useful thought process for me); If as a private citizen in the EU you construct a card-file index of newspaper cuttings (or any other kind of database) including personal details about a group of individuals, you are becoming both a data processor and data controller. This judgement determines that Google's indexing of information about an individual is covered by the rules that apply to data processors and controllers. Google argued that their work was not covered, a) because they did not know the contents of their own data (it
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
Would WMF, being in the US, need to worry about this to any greater degree than it worries about, say, Chinese publishing restrictions, or UK superinjunctions? On Jun 2, 2014 2:15 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris writes: If as a private citizen in the EU you construct a card-file index of newspaper cuttings (or any other kind of database) including personal details about a group of individuals, you are becoming both a data processor and data controller. I think that's the plain meaning of the ECJ decision. It would be hard to argue that a Wikipedia article or Wikidata entry does not represent personal data in a retrievable form. I agree here too. It would be an interesting question whether the Wikimedia Foundation or individual Wikimedians were data processors and controllers. The court would have to decide who was the controller of this data, if indeed there was one. My intuition is that a European court, and certainly the ECJ, would be likely to hold either or both WMF and individual Wikimedians liable. No need to choose between one or the other, given the breadth of the definitions. I don't believe Wikipedia could be a data controller as it has no legal personality, and legal personality is quite difficult to acquire when you set out to avoid acquiring it. On this point I must disagree. However, even if my line of thinking is correct, I think Wikipedia's existing policies wouldn't need much amendment. Processing of personal data is allowed so long as it complies with the various duties on data processors, e.g. being accurate and processed for a legitimate purpose. Accuracy is no defense! That's one of the chief lessons of the ECJ opinion. And building an encyclopedia is not named as a legitimate purpose by the ECJ. (If it were, all Google would have to do is revive its own experiment in encyclopedias, Knol, but this time give it a compatible Creative Commons license.) We have quite a clear purpose in processing data - the provision of an encyclopedia. We already limit ourselves to truthful and accurate coverage of data subjects (e.g. the BLP policy); and we already have something analogous to a public-interest test as to whether we process this data at all (the notability principle). Google has a clear purpose too, and it was no defense. Plus, there is a public-interest argument in favor of eschewing the erasure of true, accurate public data that happens to be old. Plus, it must be said, Wikimedia Foundation is not well-positioned to litigate these issues again and again in Europe. --Mike On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris writes: As I understand it, the right to be forgotten will only affect the discoverability of content, rather than existence of content. So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago, and X succeeds in invoking their right to be forgotten, then the source will no longer appear in search engine results. The source, whether offline or online, will continue to exist and will continue to be a valid reference. My understanding may well be wrong, and if there is anything that summarises this issue as it affects Wikimedians I would be really interested to read it. Your understanding is essentially correct, as far as it goes. The ECJ (aka Curia) opinion makes clear that the decision applies to search engines but not (yet) to the databases of source journals (such as The New York Times or the Guardian). But of course it can affect the work of Wikipedia editors and other Wikimedians looking for online sources if search engine results can be censored in this way. In addition, it seems possible that the ECJ opinion can be understood to apply to Wikipedia itself, which, while not a search engine, may qualify as a controller as that word is defined under Article 2 of Directive 95/46 of the European Parliament (on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data). Look at these relevant definitions from the text of the ECJ opinion: Hi Mike - thanks for the reply! Having looked and thought about it in a bit more depth, I am pretty sure that you're right and that a case can be made this precedent will apply to Wikimedians and possibly the Wikimedia Foundation. Whether that is something we need to worry about is another issue, but this is my reasoning (obviously I'm not a lawyer, etc, and I doubt this post contains anything you don't already know but it's a useful thought process for me); If as a private citizen in the EU you construct a card-file index of newspaper cuttings (or any other kind of database) including personal details about a group of individuals, you
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014
In short, because that's what UK charity best practice, outlined in the SORP, says we have to do when preparing accounts. Every charity in the UK does this because our regulator believes it's the most transparent way of doing things. Basically, if people go as trustees, it's a governance cost. Otherwise, it's a charitable cost, because we're spreading knowledge - albeit knowledge of best practice, rather than knowledge of Wikipedia. This knowledge is imparted to other chapters, which in turn use that knowledge to become more effective at fulfilling our global mission. On 2 Jun 2014 21:13, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 2 Jun 2014, at 13:27, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So for trustee expenses: not all of the board went as trustees, as two (at least) were invited as speakers - reporting that as a trustee cost wouldn't be accurate. As to staff – I attended as the Chief Executive, but the other two staff were also invited speakers. One of the staff had some costs paid by the Foundation. I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Would the trustees/staff have been invited as speakers if they weren't trustees/staff? If not, then why make the distinction here? Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
I don't believe Wikipedia could be a data controller as it has no legal personality, and legal personality is quite difficult to acquire when you set out to avoid acquiring it. On this point I must disagree. I'd be interested to hear why :-) I think also though that if editors are potentially liable, then so are legal persons that engage in similar activity. Say for instance a European Wikimedia chapter engaged with a national archive to update Wikidata with a few million records, including some on living people. Arguably both of them could be acting as data controllers on those records for the rest of the duration of Wikidata. Hm. However, even if my line of thinking is correct, I think Wikipedia's existing policies wouldn't need much amendment. Processing of personal data is allowed so long as it complies with the various duties on data processors, e.g. being accurate and processed for a legitimate purpose. Accuracy is no defense! That's one of the chief lessons of the ECJ opinion. And building an encyclopedia is not named as a legitimate purpose by the ECJ. (If it were, all Google would have to do is revive its own experiment in encyclopedias, Knol, but this time give it a compatible Creative Commons license.) We have quite a clear purpose in processing data - the provision of an encyclopedia. We already limit ourselves to truthful and accurate coverage of data subjects (e.g. the BLP policy); and we already have something analogous to a public-interest test as to whether we process this data at all (the notability principle). Google has a clear purpose too, and it was no defense. Plus, there is a public-interest argument in favor of eschewing the erasure of true, accurate public data that happens to be old. This is all the case, but the decision makes it clear that this is a question in striking a balance between the interests of the data subject (the right to be forgotten, i.e. the ability to enjoy a private life), and the interests of others. This derives from Article 7(f) of the original directive. It also makes it clear that this balance may be struck in different places in different situations; for instance at Paragraph 81, talking about the balance of public interest in people who have taken a role in public life[1] who are arguably the sort we cover in our articles. I'd agree that there is no clarity about what would happen if someone pursued this course of action with Wikipedia, but there are many differences between our case and Google's... Chris [1] http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=docid=152065pageIndex=0doclang=ENmode=reqdir=occ=firstpart=1cid=95716 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner
I want to say basically the same what Jan-Bart and Bishakha said, but from different perspective. The first three years of my involvement in the global community passed in constant worries about the future of Wikimedia. Options like we don't have enough money for the bills were the constant threat. And not just that. All of the instances of movement instability were nothing in comparison to the years when Wikimedia was so fragile, that just a number of very fortunate circumstances made it to survive. It was the feeling when you are willing to opt in for a fascist government just because you are in a spaceship, there is no atmosphere outside and you know that there is not a lot of space for complaining about lack of coffee. 6-7 years later we have very different situation. I could complain about a number of things. But I can't explain how content and relieved I am just because of the fact that I am able to complain here. As someone who knows all Wikimedia structures very well, I know that Sue is the most responsible person for that. In comparison to the years before her appointment, it was quite relieving to know that there was at least one person who knew what she's doing and that she was ED. There is one thing which should be always in our minds. Sue became ED after the culmination of our online movement. Instead of having just debris of once great idea, our movement is still vital. The only reason why it is so is because of the stable finances; and the only significant change before and after is the fact that Sue was ED. I am eager to see the next phase of our development, lead by Lila. I am sure that Lila is capable to make Wikimedia fancy and exciting like it was during the first years of its existence. But we should remember that it is possible now just because of Sue. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
On 02/06/2014 21:14, Mike Godwin wrote: Google has a clear purpose too, and it was no defense. Plus, there is a public-interest argument in favor of eschewing the erasure of true, accurate public data that happens to be old. There is nothing in the judgement about erasing true, acaccurate public data that happens to be old. The judgement is about collecting, collating, and processing it, in away that is an invasion of privacy. There is no public interest in how many time celeb X got a detention at school for not doing their homework at junior high. There is no public interest in whether umbilical cord blood was taken from child Y or not. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy
Returning briefly to NSFW content on Wikimedia sites, there has been some press coverage in Germany these past couple of days: * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/jugendgefaehrdend-porno-links-in-wikipedia/ * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/die-porno-links-in-wikipedia-ein-politischer-skandal/ * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/porno-links-in-wikipedia-deutscher-lehrerverband-fordert-schulminister-zum-handeln-auf/ * http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Lehrerverband-erzuernt-ueber-Porno-Links-in-Wikipedia-2214124.html * http://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/politik/artikel/479778/lehrerverband-kritisiert-porno-links-bei-wikipedia * http://www.bild.de/news/inland/pornografie/porno-alarm-bei-wikipedia-lehrer-schueler-36224468.bild.html * http://www.wa.de/nachrichten/nrw/lehrer-nachrichtenseite-news4teachersde-kritisiert-porno-links-internet-enzyklopaedie-wikipedia-3603101.html * http://derstandard.at/201726824/Deutscher-Lehrerverband-alarmiert-von-Porno-Links-in-Wikipedia Apparently, the German Teachers' Association has called on the German Education Minister and Wikipedia to take action. What I found surprising here, given the history of the topic within the Wikimedia movement, was the response from a Wikimedia Germany spokesperson in the first article linked above: ---o0o--- Asked about this content by News4teachers.de, those in charge of Wikipedia in Germany point to the U.S. parent company. A spokesman told our editors: As a matter of fact, we at Wikimedia Germany have no influence on what is to be found on Wikipedia and its sister projects (such as the free media portal, Wikimedia Commons). All of these sites are hosted and managed by the Wikimedia Foundation in the U.S. ---o0o--- On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-29 7:46 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com: * I'm quite capable of thinking for myself. I am truly interested in protecting children and preventing harassment. And I'm particularly interested in the current state of the policies around these issues as the leadership of the WMF changes. Old discussions might contain outdated information. I could go on-wiki to see the current policies, but I keep having to reply to mails like these that somehow attribute a bunch of opinions to me that I've never expressed. I'm still trying to understand what I've done wrong here. I've basically asked some questions and replied to posts that either were directly addressed to me (as yours is here), or made extensive reference to me (as some of the mails calling for my blocking). Let me ask you a simple question that may help me understand where you are coming from: do you find the questions themselves personally upsetting? Thanks again! ,Wil Wil, if the discussions are outdated, so are the questions, since they for years already have been considered at length on-wiki with a lot of spill-off here. In order to make progress in any direction, new suggestions that can obtain consensus are needed. As far as I can see, you raise old questions without apparently showing interest in the comprehensive past treatment and without presenting any new point of view or a perspective that points to a solution. In addition, as I and others have remarked earlier, the questions basically belong to meta and not on this list. This is what I feel you 'have done wrong' and - since that takes away from my available time and from my reading about other topics here - that is what upsets me. Regards, Thyge ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy
Being the spokesperson, the statement is by and large correct, although not given in this context but as a reply to a content-related question from one day earlier. It was used in the linked news source articel, to which the teacher's association reacted within an hour. As I've written elsewhere, this was clearly spun. Unusually aggressive move. The association demands that Wikipedia and all free-of-charge eduational services be stopped, being unfit for school children. It also demands that printed encycopledias be reintroduced to schools and school libraries be better funded, ...printed material, that is. Best Michael 2014-06-02 23:06 GMT+02:00 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com: Returning briefly to NSFW content on Wikimedia sites, there has been some press coverage in Germany these past couple of days: * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/jugendgefaehrdend-porno-links-in-wikipedia/ * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/die-porno-links-in-wikipedia-ein-politischer-skandal/ * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/porno-links-in-wikipedia-deutscher-lehrerverband-fordert-schulminister-zum-handeln-auf/ * http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Lehrerverband-erzuernt-ueber-Porno-Links-in-Wikipedia-2214124.html * http://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/politik/artikel/479778/lehrerverband-kritisiert-porno-links-bei-wikipedia * http://www.bild.de/news/inland/pornografie/porno-alarm-bei-wikipedia-lehrer-schueler-36224468.bild.html * http://www.wa.de/nachrichten/nrw/lehrer-nachrichtenseite-news4teachersde-kritisiert-porno-links-internet-enzyklopaedie-wikipedia-3603101.html * http://derstandard.at/201726824/Deutscher-Lehrerverband-alarmiert-von-Porno-Links-in-Wikipedia Apparently, the German Teachers' Association has called on the German Education Minister and Wikipedia to take action. What I found surprising here, given the history of the topic within the Wikimedia movement, was the response from a Wikimedia Germany spokesperson in the first article linked above: ---o0o--- Asked about this content by News4teachers.de, those in charge of Wikipedia in Germany point to the U.S. parent company. A spokesman told our editors: As a matter of fact, we at Wikimedia Germany have no influence on what is to be found on Wikipedia and its sister projects (such as the free media portal, Wikimedia Commons). All of these sites are hosted and managed by the Wikimedia Foundation in the U.S. ---o0o--- On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-29 7:46 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com: * I'm quite capable of thinking for myself. I am truly interested in protecting children and preventing harassment. And I'm particularly interested in the current state of the policies around these issues as the leadership of the WMF changes. Old discussions might contain outdated information. I could go on-wiki to see the current policies, but I keep having to reply to mails like these that somehow attribute a bunch of opinions to me that I've never expressed. I'm still trying to understand what I've done wrong here. I've basically asked some questions and replied to posts that either were directly addressed to me (as yours is here), or made extensive reference to me (as some of the mails calling for my blocking). Let me ask you a simple question that may help me understand where you are coming from: do you find the questions themselves personally upsetting? Thanks again! ,Wil Wil, if the discussions are outdated, so are the questions, since they for years already have been considered at length on-wiki with a lot of spill-off here. In order to make progress in any direction, new suggestions that can obtain consensus are needed. As far as I can see, you raise old questions without apparently showing interest in the comprehensive past treatment and without presenting any new point of view or a perspective that points to a solution. In addition, as I and others have remarked earlier, the questions basically belong to meta and not on this list. This is what I feel you 'have done wrong' and - since that takes away from my available time and from my reading about other topics here - that is what upsets me. Regards, Thyge ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
