Re: [Wikimedia-l] Initial eligibility announced for 2015-2016 Round 2 of the APG process

[Winifred Olliff]

Greetings, colleagues!

We are pleased to report that all five organizations that have submitted
Letters of Intent are confirmed as eligible

to submit applications for annual plan grants, pending their continued
compliance with all existing agreements through the duration of their
applications and grants:
*Centre for Internet and Society (CIS)
*Wikimedia Armenia (WMAM)
*Wikimédia France (WMFR)
*Wikimedia Italia (WMIT)
*Wikimedia Norge (WMNO)

Wikimedia Italia (WMIT) has withdrawn its application for the coming round,
and the Wikimedia Foundation will also be submitting its annual plan for
review as a part of this round.

Applicants may now create an application by visiting their respective hub
pages  and following
the instructions listed under Step 3 on each hub page. *We are looking
forward to receiving the applications by the application due date on 1
April 2016*, at which point the international community review period will
begin.

Despite the suspicious date, note that this application deadline *is real*
:)

Best regards,

Winifred & Katy

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Winifred Olliff 
wrote:

> Dear colleagues:
>
> Applications for Annual Plan Grants are accepted twice each year and
> assessed by the volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee. Initial
> eligibility has been assessed for the five organizations submitting Letters
> of Intent for 2015-2016 Round 2 of the APG process. 3 of 5 organizations
> are immediately eligible, and 2 may become eligible if gaps are met prior
> to 15 March 2016.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Eligibility/2015-2016_round2
>
> The following organizations are immediately eligible:
> *Centre for Internet and Society (CIS)
> *Wikimedia Armenia (WMAM)
> *Wikimedia Italia (WMIT)
>
> The following organization may be eligible:
> *Wikimédia France (WMFR)
> *Wikimedia Norge (WMNO)
>
> If your organization needs to submit documents in order to fill an
> eligibility gap, please notify FDC staff at ,
> and they will make the appropriate adjustments to this page. *Eligibility
> will be confirmed by 15 March 2016, and applications will be due by 1 April
> 2016.*
>
> Thanks to the five organizations who submitted letters of intent!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Winifred & Katy
>
> --
> Winifred Olliff
> Program Officer
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>


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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki maps news and updates

[Yuri Astrakhan]

The quest to bring maps to Wikipedia continues:
* Kartographer has launched for WikiVoyage
* Julien Girault will help maps with his UI expertise
* Talk to us at the FreeNode IRC channel #wikipedia-interactive

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Kartographer

Last week we enabled Kartographer extension for Wikivoyage sites, allowing
users to add maps to wiki pages without any additional wmflabs and
JavaScript tricks.  Now you can simply add a  or  to a
wiki page, or even use the Visual Editor to insert a map. Additionally, you
can:

* add markers and polygons visually
* edit geojson and see how it changes the map on each keystroke
* add auto-numbered markers (either numbers or letters), and have multiple
counters
* have multiple "groups" of markers/polygons and showing them on the same
map or on separate maps (e.g. all food and all drink maps and one combined
map)
* markers can be of any color, 3 sizes, and contain many different icons
* markers and polygons can be clicked and will show popups with wiki text
and images
* very fast full screen popup map

Feedback: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Maps
Bugs & TODOs: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/kartographer/
All maps-related tasks: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/maps/

== What's next? ==
There will be plenty of cleanup and polishing work to make Kartographer
work seamlessly. We will need to address the missing functionality reported
to us by the community, and help migrate existing wmflabs-based maps to the
new platform. Lastly, VE editing will need some more work to become
indispensable.

Yet, our site is still set on the bigger target - maps for all of
Wikipedia. For that we are waiting for more hardware, plus we will need to
improve our static maps service to be able to handle wiki-load.

Hardware task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125126


Thank you Max Semenik, Ed Sanders, Alex Kosiaris, Brandon Black, Chris
Koerner, Chris Steipp, Tomasz Finc, and Wes Moran for making this possible.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

[Mathias Damour]

Le 14/03/2016 02:03, David Gerard a écrit :

Being put together by Eliezer Yudkowsky of LessWrong. Content is
cc-by-sa 3.0, don't know about the software.

https://arbital.com/p/arbital_ambitions/

Rather than the "encyclopedia" approach, it tries to be more
pedagogical, teaching the reader at their level.


The problem of "readers coming in with different levels of background 
knowledge" is actual.
Yet I believe that to elaborate just another (more accessible) level 
resource, however sticking to the "encyclopedia approach" that proved 
successful, is good step to answer this issue.
That's what we do on Vikidia and Wikikids.nl, and young or not-so-young 
readers really appreciate it.
I don't know if one day these contents will be reused and processed to 
automatically generate information that would precisely fit to someone's 
level, yet if it happens once, another material than Wikipedia may help !
The "Wikipedia for children" model works well (in quality, traffic...) 
in at least two languages. I would say that the current most difficult 
thing is to "scale" it in other languages.
That's where some help would have a big impact, say to produce in a way 
or another 10 000 important and quality encyclopedia articles for 
children in some big languages to catch up with the two most developed 
"Wikipedia for children".


More on :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis_for_children
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids

--
Mathias Damour
mathias.dam...@gmx.fr
[[User:Astirmays]]


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[Wikimedia-l] Open call for Individual Engagement Grant proposals

[Marti Johnson]

Hi everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) program is
accepting proposals from March 14th to April 12th for new ideas to improve
Wikimedia projects.   Funds are
available (up to $30,000 USD) to support individuals or teams of up to four
people to implement promising ideas, whether focused on building a new tool
or gadget, organizing a better process on your wiki, researching an
important issue, or providing other support for community-building.  Ideas
from the current Inspire Campaign on content curation and review are very
welcome. 

Do you have have a good idea, but would like some feedback before
applying?  Put it into the IdeaLab, where volunteers and staff can give you
advice and guidance on how to bring it to life. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab>  Once your idea is ready,
it can be easily migrated into a grant request.

Community Organizer (and former IEG recipient) Chris Schilling and I will
also be hosting Hangouts at least weekly for real-time discussions about
the Inspire Campaign and the IEG Open Call to answer questions and help you
make your proposal better.  Hangouts are already underway - with the next
two scheduled for March 15th and 22nd.  <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Events#Upcoming_events>

We are excited to see your grant ideas that will support our community and
make an impact on the future of Wikimedia projects.  Put your idea into
motion, and submit your proposal between March 14 and April 12! <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-apply>

Please feel free to get in touch with me (mjohn...@wikimedia.org) with
questions about getting started with your idea.

Warm regards,

Marti


*Marti JohnsonProgram Officer*
*Individual Grants*
*Wikimedia Foundation *
+1 415-839-6885
Skype: Mjohnson_WMF

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
 in the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make it
a reality!
Support Wikimedia 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Fæ]

On 14 March 2016 at 22:12, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:
> On 16-03-14 05:01 PM, Vi to wrote:
>> Ignoring a wide community
>> consensus is *always* a mistake.
>
> It is.  I never advocated otherwise.
>
> That old RfC, however, does not show a wide community consensus, let
> alone a consensus of the actually impacted community.
>
> -- Coren / Marc

You could walk in the shoes of others, as Jimbo advocates, and you
could create an RFC to show whether users prefer it, rather than
putting the burden of proof onto a community that has already
established what it wanted. In fact, if you are creating the RFC then
you could make it jump through whatever hoops you would like to see to
"prove" whatever it is you think remains unproven, rather than
expecting some mug of a volunteer to guess what it is that might
satisfy your needs.

As for the reasoning that no community RFC is ever representative of
users, as users without an account never voted, this seems a basic
logical fallacy. There is no "us and them" with readers/viewers, as
all volunteers who happen to have an account are 100% readers and
viewers.

Thanks
Fae
-- 
fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> > Cross-wiki notifications
>
> This is great, thank you.
>
> Two requests:
>
> Please could we have two icons, one for local notifications, another for
> those from elsewhere?
>
>
I've pinged you in the existing discussion about this at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T03hw9u0lnii21k4


And could we have some way to avoid mass notifications when we are
> mentioned in a newsletter like The Signpost, This Week in GLAM, or the
> Wikidata Weekly Summary, which are posted to many talk pages?
>
>
I've started a topic with some notes about this, at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T06vs34wgdt4u1ch

Thanks for the suggestions!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> Is this change related to the standard notifications pop-up window no
> longer working in Chrome (it just sits waiting to get painted), or was
> that an existing bug?
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>


Hi Fae,
I've just tested, and the notifications popup window is working for me in
both Chrome and Chromium (and Firefox, my default). If you can still
reproduce this problem, please could you either submit a bug-report to
phabricator, or start a thread at the feedback page,[1] or send them to me
offlist? (With details on your browser/OS versions, any javascript blocking
browser extensions you might use, and if possible what errors you see in
browser console.[2])
Much thanks.
Quiddity / Nick

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Notifications
[2] http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/77337



> On 11 March 2016 at 07:07, Roan Kattouw  wrote:
> > In late 2015 and early 2016, the Collaboration team worked on building a
> > cross-wiki notification feature: listing notifications from other wikis
> in
> > the notification panel. We made this feature available on a small set of
> > wikis [1] initially, and about six hours ago we made it available on all
> > wikis as a beta feature.
> >
> > You can enable cross-wiki notifications by clicking the "Beta" link [2]
> in
> > the top right corner (or top left in RTL languages) and enabling the
> > "Enhanced notifications" setting. The notification panels (accessible
> > through the bell and speech bubble icons in the top right/left corner)
> will
> > now display an additional item telling you which other wikis you have
> > unread notifications on, and you can click this item to expand it and see
> > those notifications [3]. For more information, see the documentation on
> > mediawiki.org [4], with mostly complete translations in 13 languages at
> the
> > time of this writing.
> >
> > Because we don't have cross-wiki preferences, enabling the beta feature
> on
> > one wiki doesn't automatically enable it on any other wiki. However, you
> > only have to enable the beta feature to see cross-wiki notifications on a
> > wiki, not to get them from that wiki. For example, if you only enable the
> > beta feature on the French Wikipedia, you will see notifications from the
> > French Wikisource, the Spanish Wikipedia and the Upper Sorbian Wiktionary
> > even if you haven't enabled the beta feature on those wikis. In fact, if
> > you've had an account for a while, you are likely to see some very old
> > notifications from wikis you haven't visited in years; Magnus Manske
> > tweeted a screenshot of this yesterday [5].
> >
> > Please try this out and let us know what you think! There's a talk page
> on
> > mediawiki.org [6] where you can leave feedback. If you find a bug,
> please
> > report it on Phabricator [7] or on the feedback page.
> >
> > Thanks a lot to the Collaboration team [8] as well as community liaisons
> > Nick Wilson (Quiddity) and Benoît Evellin (Trizek) for their work on this
> > over the past few months.
> >
> > --Roan Kattouw (User:Catrope)
> >
> > [1] All French wikis, all Hebrew wikis, Commons, Wikidata and
> mediawiki.org
> > [2] Or go to [[Special:Preferences]] and click the "Beta features" tab
> > [3]
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notification_panel_with_cross-wiki_notification.png
> > [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Notifications/Cross-wiki
> > [5] https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/707712047065210882
> > [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Notifications
> > [7]
> >
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projectPHIDs=Notifications
> > [8] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff#Collaboration
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Edward Galvez]

Hi folks,

Please, please, please put pieces of this discussion that are important to
you on the transparency practices page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Transparency/Practices

There are a lot of ideas floating around and its important to have them in
one place.

Thanks all!
Edward



On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Risker  wrote:

> Well, Pete, I certainly interpreted Nathan's question as being specific
> enough to require that a number be given.
>
>
>
> On 14 March 2016 at 14:28, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Risker  wrote:
> >
> > > There's a difference between "does the WMF generally include
> > > non-disparagement and non-disclosure clauses in separation agreements"
> > and
> > > "how many separation agreements include non-disparagement and
> > > non-disclosure clauses".
> >
> >
> > Risker, can you say who you're attributing those quotes to? I only see
> the
> > words "how many" in your message -- not in any of the others in this
> > thread.
> >
> > -Pete
> > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Pete Forsyth]

In case anybody believes Wikimedia Foundation personnel have entirely
forgotten this issue, please be assured that is not the case.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119595

Speaking for myself, I'm not convinced that taking action on a two year old
RFC at Commons is the most pressing component of this collection of issues
(though I understand and respect that others might feel differently).

I strongly agree with the principle that ignoring a request is far worse
than merely refusing to grant it. But I also feel that there is more
support for that perspective at the WMF these days than there has been
during the past two years. I think it's best if we all keep that
possibility in mind, as we make choices about what issues to bring up
again, and how to present them.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
(author of Letter to WMF on Superprotect and Media Viewer:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Letter_to_Wikimedia_Foundation:_Superprotect_and_Media_Viewer
)

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Vi to  wrote:

> Oh I missed dates, this is a good point then. Ignoring a wide community
> consensus is *always* a mistake. Final decisions might even diverge from
> consensus but *ignoring* is the worst way.
>
> Vito
>
> 2016-03-14 21:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel :
>
> > That's a good point. I've started a discussion on Commons' VP about this
> > at:
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#2014_RfC_for_the_Media_Viewer
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > > On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:03, Anthony Cole  wrote:
> > >
> > > That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer is not today's media
> viewer.
> > >
> > > Anthony Cole
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 16-03-14 10:59 AM, Nathan wrote:
> > >>> the non-participation of
> > >>> non-participants can't render all decisions invalid.
> > >>
> > >> It rarely becomes a problem in practice; the vast majority of
> decisions
> > >> made on projects are editorial or internal management.
> > >>
> > >> In this particular case, there is a tiny segment of the editing
> > >> community making a sweeping UI decision that - by definition - doesn't
> > >> even affect *them*.
> > >>
> > >> That can't possibly be right.
> > >>
> > >> -- Marc
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Vi to]

Oh I missed dates, this is a good point then. Ignoring a wide community
consensus is *always* a mistake. Final decisions might even diverge from
consensus but *ignoring* is the worst way.

Vito

2016-03-14 21:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel :

> That's a good point. I've started a discussion on Commons' VP about this
> at:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#2014_RfC_for_the_Media_Viewer
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> > On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:03, Anthony Cole  wrote:
> >
> > That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer is not today's media viewer.
> >
> > Anthony Cole
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 16-03-14 10:59 AM, Nathan wrote:
> >>> the non-participation of
> >>> non-participants can't render all decisions invalid.
> >>
> >> It rarely becomes a problem in practice; the vast majority of decisions
> >> made on projects are editorial or internal management.
> >>
> >> In this particular case, there is a tiny segment of the editing
> >> community making a sweeping UI decision that - by definition - doesn't
> >> even affect *them*.
> >>
> >> That can't possibly be right.
> >>
> >> -- Marc
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Andreas Kolbe]

Luis,

The original announcement of your departure[1], posted on Feb. 8, said,

Quote: "Later this month, Luis will transition out of his current position
with the Wikimedia Foundation to pursue other opportunities. He will remain
in a consulting role with the Foundation over the next few months,
continuing to support our ongoing strategy and annual planning processes."

Are you currently doing work for WMF in a consulting role, or was that
consulting role part of the severance agreement you declined?

Andreas

[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/081702.html

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:44 PM Oliver Keyes  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM Antoine Musso 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> To the best of my knowledge such agreements are not public, but
> honestly
> > >> there is no conspiracy behind that.  There are public clues though:
> > >>
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy
> > >>  https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikitech:Labs_Terms_of_use
> > >>  Others at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal#Policies
> > >>
> > >
> > > In mid-2013, the legal team put the standard employee NDA clauses, and
> a
> > > couple others, on-wiki at:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreements#Wikimedia_Foundation.27s_non-disclosure_agreements
> > >
> > > Luis
> >
> > Thanks Luis!
> >
> > It looks like the non-disparagement clause has now been removed, which
> > is nice.
> >
>
> There was not one when I joined three years ago. There is still one in the
> severance agreement I was offered, which is why I didn't sign it - under
> the circumstances, I didn't feel like I could continue to participate in
> community processes (strategy, budget, etc.) while signing that clause.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

[Philippe Beaudette]

This is an example, in my opinion (as is most of the echo feature) an
example of the WMF doing an extremely fine implementation of a feature that
the community has dreamed of for years.  This is really fine.  Well done to
all involved.

pb

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> Is this change related to the standard notifications pop-up window no
> longer working in Chrome (it just sits waiting to get painted), or was
> that an existing bug?
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 11 March 2016 at 07:07, Roan Kattouw  wrote:
> > In late 2015 and early 2016, the Collaboration team worked on building a
> > cross-wiki notification feature: listing notifications from other wikis
> in
> > the notification panel. We made this feature available on a small set of
> > wikis [1] initially, and about six hours ago we made it available on all
> > wikis as a beta feature.
> >
> > You can enable cross-wiki notifications by clicking the "Beta" link [2]
> in
> > the top right corner (or top left in RTL languages) and enabling the
> > "Enhanced notifications" setting. The notification panels (accessible
> > through the bell and speech bubble icons in the top right/left corner)
> will
> > now display an additional item telling you which other wikis you have
> > unread notifications on, and you can click this item to expand it and see
> > those notifications [3]. For more information, see the documentation on
> > mediawiki.org [4], with mostly complete translations in 13 languages at
> the
> > time of this writing.
> >
> > Because we don't have cross-wiki preferences, enabling the beta feature
> on
> > one wiki doesn't automatically enable it on any other wiki. However, you
> > only have to enable the beta feature to see cross-wiki notifications on a
> > wiki, not to get them from that wiki. For example, if you only enable the
> > beta feature on the French Wikipedia, you will see notifications from the
> > French Wikisource, the Spanish Wikipedia and the Upper Sorbian Wiktionary
> > even if you haven't enabled the beta feature on those wikis. In fact, if
> > you've had an account for a while, you are likely to see some very old
> > notifications from wikis you haven't visited in years; Magnus Manske
> > tweeted a screenshot of this yesterday [5].
> >
> > Please try this out and let us know what you think! There's a talk page
> on
> > mediawiki.org [6] where you can leave feedback. If you find a bug,
> please
> > report it on Phabricator [7] or on the feedback page.
> >
> > Thanks a lot to the Collaboration team [8] as well as community liaisons
> > Nick Wilson (Quiddity) and Benoît Evellin (Trizek) for their work on this
> > over the past few months.
> >
> > --Roan Kattouw (User:Catrope)
> >
> > [1] All French wikis, all Hebrew wikis, Commons, Wikidata and
> mediawiki.org
> > [2] Or go to [[Special:Preferences]] and click the "Beta features" tab
> > [3]
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notification_panel_with_cross-wiki_notification.png
> > [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Notifications/Cross-wiki
> > [5] https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/707712047065210882
> > [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Notifications
> > [7]
> >
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projectPHIDs=Notifications
> > [8] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff#Collaboration
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Michael Peel]

That's a good point. I've started a discussion on Commons' VP about this at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#2014_RfC_for_the_Media_Viewer

Thanks,
Mike

> On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:03, Anthony Cole  wrote:
> 
> That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer is not today's media viewer.
> 
> Anthony Cole
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 16-03-14 10:59 AM, Nathan wrote:
>>> the non-participation of
>>> non-participants can't render all decisions invalid.
>> 
>> It rarely becomes a problem in practice; the vast majority of decisions
>> made on projects are editorial or internal management.
>> 
>> In this particular case, there is a tiny segment of the editing
>> community making a sweeping UI decision that - by definition - doesn't
>> even affect *them*.
>> 
>> That can't possibly be right.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Todd Allen]

I won't take a position on this particular issue, since I rarely visit
Commons, but "Ignore all rules" should categorically not be taken as
"Ignore consensus" or "Ignore other editors". That way lies madness.
On Mar 14, 2016 2:11 PM, "Philippe Beaudette"  wrote:

> Consensus can and should be ignored when it is detrimental to improving the
> end product.  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ignore_all_rules is an
> applicable cite, I think.  It's even categorized as global.
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Vi to  wrote:
>
> > Same with consensus from logged-out users to implement MV.
> >
> > I have no strong feelings about the issue (anons shouldn't be affected by
> > MV side effects but also MV is almost useless on Commons) but well,
> > consensus cannot be ignored.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2016-03-14 15:28 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier :
> >
> > > On 16-03-14 10:24 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> > > > I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged
> > > out users as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect
> community
> > > consensus.
> > >
> > > Really?  You have consensus from logged out users?  How did you
> > > ascertain that?
> > >
> > > Or did you mean that you have consensus from a community that is
> > > explicitly not affected by the feature to turn it off for people other
> > > than themselves?
> > >
> > > -- Coren / Marc
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Philippe Beaudette]

Consensus can and should be ignored when it is detrimental to improving the
end product.  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ignore_all_rules is an
applicable cite, I think.  It's even categorized as global.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Vi to  wrote:

> Same with consensus from logged-out users to implement MV.
>
> I have no strong feelings about the issue (anons shouldn't be affected by
> MV side effects but also MV is almost useless on Commons) but well,
> consensus cannot be ignored.
>
> Vito
>
> 2016-03-14 15:28 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier :
>
> > On 16-03-14 10:24 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> > > I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged
> > out users as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect community
> > consensus.
> >
> > Really?  You have consensus from logged out users?  How did you
> > ascertain that?
> >
> > Or did you mean that you have consensus from a community that is
> > explicitly not affected by the feature to turn it off for people other
> > than themselves?
> >
> > -- Coren / Marc
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Vi to]

Same with consensus from logged-out users to implement MV.

I have no strong feelings about the issue (anons shouldn't be affected by
MV side effects but also MV is almost useless on Commons) but well,
consensus cannot be ignored.

Vito

2016-03-14 15:28 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier :

> On 16-03-14 10:24 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> > I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged
> out users as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect community
> consensus.
>
> Really?  You have consensus from logged out users?  How did you
> ascertain that?
>
> Or did you mean that you have consensus from a community that is
> explicitly not affected by the feature to turn it off for people other
> than themselves?
>
> -- Coren / Marc
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Pine W]

I should narrow the scope of my statement a bit. I understand a need for,
and support, carefully crafted NDAs that protect information like credit
card numbers and personally identifiable information. I am skeptical of
overly broad or vague NDAs, as well as non-disparagement clauses. I am
particularly skeptical of the appropriateness of offering payoffs to an
employee of WMF (or affiliates) in exchange for the employee's agreement to
a non-disparagement clause.

Pine

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> I'm looking at this issue from a few angles.
>
> 1. If an initial employment contract has a provision that employees who
> voluntarily resign and provide X amount of notice will be paid out
> something like their accrued vacation time (I believe that some
> jurisdictions require this) and a certain amount of medical coverage
> (ranging from the remainder of a month to 6 months), and no restrictions on
> free speech are involved, I think this would be fine.
>
> 2. If there is a payoff of WMF funds to employees in exchange for them
> agreeing to speech restrictions, I would question whether that's an
> appropriate use of donor funds and also whether placing conditions on
> employee speech is appropriate for an organization that is supposed to be
> strongly aligned with values of freedom of expression.
>
> 3. I think that there should be more transparency about how WMF funds are
> used in general, and this includes employment matters for both WMF and
> affiliates. Government agencies in the US disclose a lot of information
> about their employees, almost always including compensation, and in many
> jurisdictions disciplinary records are also public records. It seems to me
> that WMF should strive to have at least the same standard for transparency
> of government agencies. Among other problems that arise when compensation
> levels are opaque, it's very difficult to do a thorough job of evaluating
> WMF and affiliate budgets without knowing how employees are compensated so
> that the appropriateness of that compensation can be evaluated. IEG
> grantees already have our compensation published, and it seems to me that
> this practice should be extended to the other grants programs and to WMF.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Risker]

Well, Pete, I certainly interpreted Nathan's question as being specific
enough to require that a number be given.



On 14 March 2016 at 14:28, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
> > There's a difference between "does the WMF generally include
> > non-disparagement and non-disclosure clauses in separation agreements"
> and
> > "how many separation agreements include non-disparagement and
> > non-disclosure clauses".
>
>
> Risker, can you say who you're attributing those quotes to? I only see the
> words "how many" in your message -- not in any of the others in this
> thread.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Pete Forsyth]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Risker  wrote:

> There's a difference between "does the WMF generally include
> non-disparagement and non-disclosure clauses in separation agreements" and
> "how many separation agreements include non-disparagement and
> non-disclosure clauses".


Risker, can you say who you're attributing those quotes to? I only see the
words "how many" in your message -- not in any of the others in this thread.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Pine W]

I'm looking at this issue from a few angles.

1. If an initial employment contract has a provision that employees who
voluntarily resign and provide X amount of notice will be paid out
something like their accrued vacation time (I believe that some
jurisdictions require this) and a certain amount of medical coverage
(ranging from the remainder of a month to 6 months), and no restrictions on
free speech are involved, I think this would be fine.

2. If there is a payoff of WMF funds to employees in exchange for them
agreeing to speech restrictions, I would question whether that's an
appropriate use of donor funds and also whether placing conditions on
employee speech is appropriate for an organization that is supposed to be
strongly aligned with values of freedom of expression.

3. I think that there should be more transparency about how WMF funds are
used in general, and this includes employment matters for both WMF and
affiliates. Government agencies in the US disclose a lot of information
about their employees, almost always including compensation, and in many
jurisdictions disciplinary records are also public records. It seems to me
that WMF should strive to have at least the same standard for transparency
of government agencies. Among other problems that arise when compensation
levels are opaque, it's very difficult to do a thorough job of evaluating
WMF and affiliate budgets without knowing how employees are compensated so
that the appropriateness of that compensation can be evaluated. IEG
grantees already have our compensation published, and it seems to me that
this practice should be extended to the other grants programs and to WMF.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Risker]

There's a difference between "does the WMF generally include
non-disparagement and non-disclosure clauses in separation agreements" and
"how many separation agreements include non-disparagement and
non-disclosure clauses".  One is general, and the other is specific; the
first can likely be answered, but the second is getting into "personal
information" territory.  While I know there has been a definite and
reasonable concern about the frequency and nature of departures over the
last several months, we are still talking about a small number of very
publicly identified individuals.

Just as importantly, those clauses tend to go both ways - in that the WMF
may also be bound not to disclose them too, as part of the individual
separation agreements.  They tend to be built right into some employment
contracts with 'golden parachute' clauses, for example.  As well,
separation agreements are much less common when people resign as opposed to
- shall we say - being monetarily urged to look for other opportunities
elsewhere; identifying the actual number may reveal the circumstances under
which some people left the organization, which can have a serious impact on
their future earnings and ability to secure future employment.

Risker/Anne



On 14 March 2016 at 13:37, Nathan  wrote:

> We need to distinguish between the personal and private details of
> individuals and the policies of the WMF around management of employees. It
> should be clear to everyone that employee satisfaction, retention, dispute
> management and other issues of personnel management are central to the
> controversies of the last few months. It's disingenuous to argue that these
> matters must all be off-limits for public discussion simply because they
> fall under the umbrella of "HR." Having said that...
>
> The names of the people who have left may be public; whether they accepted
> a severance package or not obviously is not and should not be publicized
> except willingly by them. It is relevant and useful information for the
> rest of us to understand if severance agreements have been packaged with
> non-disparagement clauses that could prevent negative but highly topical
> and timely information from being released. We can probably infer that this
> is the case from the profound silence emanating from most departed
> employees, but it would be nice to know for sure if money and benefits were
> used to insulate Lila or others from the effects of serious mismanagement.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Risker  wrote:
>
> > Actually, no, you probably can't ask that question either - because the
> > names of the individuals who have departed are pretty much all publicly
> > known. (There's even a timeline in which all their names are mentioned,
> > linked from news articles and other "external" locations.)  In many
> > jurisdictions, it is potentially illegal for employers to disclose such
> > information; many would feel it unethical for an employer to disclose the
> > departure conditions absent a mutual agreement between the employer and
> the
> > departed.  California human resources law would allow for a civil suit
> that
> > could result in a large settlement, either individually or as a group
> > (think high-tech employees lawsuit).  This is an area where
> "transparency"
> > very definitely intersects with the privacy rights of those individuals
> who
> > are directly affected.  Privacy should win.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 14 March 2016 at 12:50, Nathan  wrote:
> >
> > > It's an easy question to ask in a non-specific way:
> > >
> > > In the last six months, has the WMF approved severance agreements with
> > > departing employees with language that, in effect, prevented them from
> > > publicly criticizing the WMF, its management or the Board on matters of
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Nathan]

We need to distinguish between the personal and private details of
individuals and the policies of the WMF around management of employees. It
should be clear to everyone that employee satisfaction, retention, dispute
management and other issues of personnel management are central to the
controversies of the last few months. It's disingenuous to argue that these
matters must all be off-limits for public discussion simply because they
fall under the umbrella of "HR." Having said that...

The names of the people who have left may be public; whether they accepted
a severance package or not obviously is not and should not be publicized
except willingly by them. It is relevant and useful information for the
rest of us to understand if severance agreements have been packaged with
non-disparagement clauses that could prevent negative but highly topical
and timely information from being released. We can probably infer that this
is the case from the profound silence emanating from most departed
employees, but it would be nice to know for sure if money and benefits were
used to insulate Lila or others from the effects of serious mismanagement.



On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Risker  wrote:

> Actually, no, you probably can't ask that question either - because the
> names of the individuals who have departed are pretty much all publicly
> known. (There's even a timeline in which all their names are mentioned,
> linked from news articles and other "external" locations.)  In many
> jurisdictions, it is potentially illegal for employers to disclose such
> information; many would feel it unethical for an employer to disclose the
> departure conditions absent a mutual agreement between the employer and the
> departed.  California human resources law would allow for a civil suit that
> could result in a large settlement, either individually or as a group
> (think high-tech employees lawsuit).  This is an area where "transparency"
> very definitely intersects with the privacy rights of those individuals who
> are directly affected.  Privacy should win.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 14 March 2016 at 12:50, Nathan  wrote:
>
> > It's an easy question to ask in a non-specific way:
> >
> > In the last six months, has the WMF approved severance agreements with
> > departing employees with language that, in effect, prevented them from
> > publicly criticizing the WMF, its management or the Board on matters of
> > public interest?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Anthony Cole]

That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer is not today's media viewer.

Anthony Cole


On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
wrote:

> On 16-03-14 10:59 AM, Nathan wrote:
> > the non-participation of
> > non-participants can't render all decisions invalid.
>
> It rarely becomes a problem in practice; the vast majority of decisions
> made on projects are editorial or internal management.
>
> In this particular case, there is a tiny segment of the editing
> community making a sweeping UI decision that - by definition - doesn't
> even affect *them*.
>
> That can't possibly be right.
>
> -- Marc
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

[Fæ]

Is this change related to the standard notifications pop-up window no
longer working in Chrome (it just sits waiting to get painted), or was
that an existing bug?

Thanks,
Fae

On 11 March 2016 at 07:07, Roan Kattouw  wrote:
> In late 2015 and early 2016, the Collaboration team worked on building a
> cross-wiki notification feature: listing notifications from other wikis in
> the notification panel. We made this feature available on a small set of
> wikis [1] initially, and about six hours ago we made it available on all
> wikis as a beta feature.
>
> You can enable cross-wiki notifications by clicking the "Beta" link [2] in
> the top right corner (or top left in RTL languages) and enabling the
> "Enhanced notifications" setting. The notification panels (accessible
> through the bell and speech bubble icons in the top right/left corner) will
> now display an additional item telling you which other wikis you have
> unread notifications on, and you can click this item to expand it and see
> those notifications [3]. For more information, see the documentation on
> mediawiki.org [4], with mostly complete translations in 13 languages at the
> time of this writing.
>
> Because we don't have cross-wiki preferences, enabling the beta feature on
> one wiki doesn't automatically enable it on any other wiki. However, you
> only have to enable the beta feature to see cross-wiki notifications on a
> wiki, not to get them from that wiki. For example, if you only enable the
> beta feature on the French Wikipedia, you will see notifications from the
> French Wikisource, the Spanish Wikipedia and the Upper Sorbian Wiktionary
> even if you haven't enabled the beta feature on those wikis. In fact, if
> you've had an account for a while, you are likely to see some very old
> notifications from wikis you haven't visited in years; Magnus Manske
> tweeted a screenshot of this yesterday [5].
>
> Please try this out and let us know what you think! There's a talk page on
> mediawiki.org [6] where you can leave feedback. If you find a bug, please
> report it on Phabricator [7] or on the feedback page.
>
> Thanks a lot to the Collaboration team [8] as well as community liaisons
> Nick Wilson (Quiddity) and Benoît Evellin (Trizek) for their work on this
> over the past few months.
>
> --Roan Kattouw (User:Catrope)
>
> [1] All French wikis, all Hebrew wikis, Commons, Wikidata and mediawiki.org
> [2] Or go to [[Special:Preferences]] and click the "Beta features" tab
> [3]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notification_panel_with_cross-wiki_notification.png
> [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Notifications/Cross-wiki
> [5] https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/707712047065210882
> [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Notifications
> [7]
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projectPHIDs=Notifications
> [8] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff#Collaboration
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Risker]

Actually, no, you probably can't ask that question either - because the
names of the individuals who have departed are pretty much all publicly
known. (There's even a timeline in which all their names are mentioned,
linked from news articles and other "external" locations.)  In many
jurisdictions, it is potentially illegal for employers to disclose such
information; many would feel it unethical for an employer to disclose the
departure conditions absent a mutual agreement between the employer and the
departed.  California human resources law would allow for a civil suit that
could result in a large settlement, either individually or as a group
(think high-tech employees lawsuit).  This is an area where "transparency"
very definitely intersects with the privacy rights of those individuals who
are directly affected.  Privacy should win.

Risker/Anne

On 14 March 2016 at 12:50, Nathan  wrote:

> It's an easy question to ask in a non-specific way:
>
> In the last six months, has the WMF approved severance agreements with
> departing employees with language that, in effect, prevented them from
> publicly criticizing the WMF, its management or the Board on matters of
> public interest?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Nathan]

It's an easy question to ask in a non-specific way:

In the last six months, has the WMF approved severance agreements with
departing employees with language that, in effect, prevented them from
publicly criticizing the WMF, its management or the Board on matters of
public interest?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Dan Garry]

On 14 March 2016 at 09:40, Risker  wrote:

> I think it is probably best that human resources issues (including the
> reasons for people leaving the organization) are not included in this list,
> unless expressly disclosed by the individuals.
>

And, in particular, wild speculation on said topics. Let's keep our
discussions here grounded in fact, not speculation.

Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Risker]

I think it is probably best that human resources issues (including the
reasons for people leaving the organization) are not included in this list,
unless expressly disclosed by the individuals.

Risker

On 14 March 2016 at 12:14, Pine W  wrote:

> Um. Luis, if you were offered a severance agreement that included a
> financial payment from WMF, that would be... very interesting. And
> potentially very problematic.
>
> Pine
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Luis Villa  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:44 PM Oliver Keyes 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM Antoine Musso 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> To the best of my knowledge such agreements are not public, but
> > honestly
> > > >> there is no conspiracy behind that.  There are public clues though:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy
> > > >>  https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikitech:Labs_Terms_of_use
> > > >>  Others at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal#Policies
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > In mid-2013, the legal team put the standard employee NDA clauses,
> and
> > a
> > > > couple others, on-wiki at:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreements#Wikimedia_Foundation.27s_non-disclosure_agreements
> > > >
> > > > Luis
> > >
> > > Thanks Luis!
> > >
> > > It looks like the non-disparagement clause has now been removed, which
> > > is nice.
> > >
> >
> > There was not one when I joined three years ago. There is still one in
> the
> > severance agreement I was offered, which is why I didn't sign it - under
> > the circumstances, I didn't feel like I could continue to participate in
> > community processes (strategy, budget, etc.) while signing that clause.
> >
> > Luis
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Michael Snow]

On 3/14/2016 9:14 AM, Pine W wrote:

Um. Luis, if you were offered a severance agreement that included a
financial payment from WMF, that would be... very interesting. And
potentially very problematic.
Or it could be a relatively routine business practice. For example, in 
many cases an employer is not required to pay out accumulated leave when 
an employee departs, but may well offer to do so in connection with a 
severance agreement. And it would not be surprising for a 
non-disparagement clause to be requested in that context. Other 
possibilities include facilitating the ex-employee's retaining some 
employer-provided benefits (health insurance, retirement accounts, etc.) 
or arranging a transition of those benefits until the person has found a 
new position.


Since I gather Luis didn't sign the agreement, he may be at liberty to 
share whether the offer included a financial element, and if there was 
anything that would warrant concerns aside from the non-disparagement 
clause. At the same time, it is for him a personal matter, I don't think 
he should be pressured to disclose details he considers private. Since I 
trust Luis's judgment without hesitation, I am happy to leave it to his 
discretion what he does and doesn't want to reveal.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Pine W]

Um. Luis, if you were offered a severance agreement that included a
financial payment from WMF, that would be... very interesting. And
potentially very problematic.

Pine

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Luis Villa  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:44 PM Oliver Keyes  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM Antoine Musso 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> To the best of my knowledge such agreements are not public, but
> honestly
> > >> there is no conspiracy behind that.  There are public clues though:
> > >>
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy
> > >>  https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikitech:Labs_Terms_of_use
> > >>  Others at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal#Policies
> > >>
> > >
> > > In mid-2013, the legal team put the standard employee NDA clauses, and
> a
> > > couple others, on-wiki at:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreements#Wikimedia_Foundation.27s_non-disclosure_agreements
> > >
> > > Luis
> >
> > Thanks Luis!
> >
> > It looks like the non-disparagement clause has now been removed, which
> > is nice.
> >
>
> There was not one when I joined three years ago. There is still one in the
> severance agreement I was offered, which is why I didn't sign it - under
> the circumstances, I didn't feel like I could continue to participate in
> community processes (strategy, budget, etc.) while signing that clause.
>
> Luis
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Wow! Cool. Thanks!

:-)

--Steinsplitter
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:01:34 -0700
> From: astillw...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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> wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!
> 
> Thank you. Great work.
> /a
> 
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
> dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
> >  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> > more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> > the search results (see attached image).
> >
> > This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> > JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> > browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> > ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> > Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> > a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> > browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> > be displayed.)
> >
> > We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> > Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> > When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> > displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> > search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> > one of the ways we test our code, visually.
> >
> > We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> >
> > On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
> >
> > Deb
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Anna Stillwell]

Thank you. Great work.
/a

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
>  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> the search results (see attached image).
>
> This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> be displayed.)
>
> We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> one of the ways we test our code, visually.
>
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb
>
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> Product Manager, Discovery
> Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[reachout2isaac]

While this might be a valid request, I'm a bit concern about the % of the 
participants in the RFC. I don't think it's a good idea for this % of 
participant to make a binding decision for an entirely disjoint community many 
hundred if not thousand times it size with neither participation nor even 
consultation. This seem like a Kangaroo RFC to me. Consult the larger 
community, reach a consensus then return here for implementation.

Best,

Olatunde Isaac.
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: "Marc A. Pelletier" 
Sender: "Wikimedia-l" Date: Mon, 14 
Mar 2016 10:40:54 
To: 
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and
 logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

On 16-03-14 10:33 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid.

Then the policy is broken.  It seems more than a little insane to me
that an opinion poll having had participation of a few % of a small
community (active commons users) can make a binding decision for an
entirely disjoint community many hundred times it size with neither
participation nor even consultation.

At the very least, the opinion of logged out users should be sought or
at least vaguely estimated in some manner (I can think of several easy
client-side ways of doing a quick opinion poll of at least a sample of
them; or a couple of metrics giving hints).

That RfC is akin to asking the print newspaper owners about making new
rules for all web sites.  While I've no doubt that their collective
opinions would be very good for them, I'd like something a bit more
objective.  :-)

-- Coren / Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Nathan]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Marc A. Pelletier 
wrote:

> On 16-03-14 10:33 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> > Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid.
>
> Then the policy is broken.  It seems more than a little insane to me
> that an opinion poll having had participation of a few % of a small
> community (active commons users) can make a binding decision for an
> entirely disjoint community many hundred times it size with neither
> participation nor even consultation.
>
> At the very least, the opinion of logged out users should be sought or
> at least vaguely estimated in some manner (I can think of several easy
> client-side ways of doing a quick opinion poll of at least a sample of
> them; or a couple of metrics giving hints).
>
> That RfC is akin to asking the print newspaper owners about making new
> rules for all web sites.  While I've no doubt that their collective
> opinions would be very good for them, I'd like something a bit more
> objective.  :-)
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>

Marc, that is how the policies work all over. Non-editing readers have
generally (with some exceptions) not participated in the crafting or
revision of policies or consensus-based decision-making. Anyone who thinks
the reader perspective hasn't been adequately considered should contribute
that point of view to the discussion, but the non-participation of
non-participants can't render all decisions invalid.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid.

> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> From: m...@uberbox.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:28:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and 
> logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons
> 
> On 16-03-14 10:24 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> > I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged out 
> > users as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect community 
> > consensus.
> 
> Really?  You have consensus from logged out users?  How did you
> ascertain that?
> 
> Or did you mean that you have consensus from a community that is
> explicitly not affected by the feature to turn it off for people other
> than themselves?
> 
> -- Coren / Marc
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Luis Villa]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:44 PM Oliver Keyes  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM Antoine Musso 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> To the best of my knowledge such agreements are not public, but honestly
> >> there is no conspiracy behind that.  There are public clues though:
> >>
> >>  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy
> >>  https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikitech:Labs_Terms_of_use
> >>  Others at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal#Policies
> >>
> >
> > In mid-2013, the legal team put the standard employee NDA clauses, and a
> > couple others, on-wiki at:
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreements#Wikimedia_Foundation.27s_non-disclosure_agreements
> >
> > Luis
>
> Thanks Luis!
>
> It looks like the non-disparagement clause has now been removed, which
> is nice.
>

There was not one when I joined three years ago. There is still one in the
severance agreement I was offered, which is why I didn't sign it - under
the circumstances, I didn't feel like I could continue to participate in
community processes (strategy, budget, etc.) while signing that clause.

Luis
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[Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

To whom it may concern,

Pursuant to consensus at Commons:Requests for comment/Media Viewer software 
feature the Media Viewer must be switches off for logged in users and logged 
out users. The current status is that the feature has been only disabled for 
logged in user. This tool is not needed on Wikimedia Commons, it makes commons 
hard to use.

I request the Wikimedia Foundation to disable Media Viewer for logged out users 
as well. There is consensus to do so. Please respect community consensus.

Regards,
Steinsplitter

[1] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Media_Viewer_software_feature
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] World Mime Day Wiki edit-a-thon

[Ivana Madžarević]

Hi all,

I'm forwarding this mail from Sherry Snyder regarding read-only moments on
wikis. It will happen on 22nd of March but I hope it won't affect World
Mime Day edit-a-thon, cause it will be during low-traffic period.

From: *Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder* 
Date: Monday, 14 March 2016
Subject: [GLAM] You will not be able to edit any wiki three times during
the next two weeks
To: g...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Education <
educat...@lists.wikimedia.org>


The Wikimedia Technical department is doing a major test for a new data
center. This work will improve the reliability of the servers and their
ability to recover from a major disaster.  As part of this work, it will
briefly be necessary to put all of the wikis into read-only mode.  This
will make it *impossible to edit or save any page* on Wikipedia or any
related project, including the Outreach wiki, during those times.

The current schedule [1] is this:

* No editing for 5 minutes on Tuesday, 15 March at 07:00 UTC (3:00 a.m. EDT)
* No editing for 15 to 30 minutes on Tuesday, 22 March
* No editing for 15 to 30 minutes on Thursday, 24 March

The exact time for the second and third events has not been determined.  It
will be posted at [1].  It will probably be during a low-traffic time such
as 7:00 UTC.

I am sending this information to these lists because being unable to edit
would obviously be very disruptive to any training classes or
edit-a-thons.  I apologize for the late notice.  I hope that this will not
interfere with any of your work.

There is more information posted here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Server_switch_2016  If you have
questions for me, then please contact me on wiki at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)



[1]
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Switch_Datacenter#Schedule_for_Q3_FY2015-2016_rollout

2016-03-10 10:35 GMT+01:00 Ivana Madžarević :

> Hi again :)
>
> I just wanted to share with you category on Commons
> 
> where you can find or/and contribute with your own or released photos. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> 2016-03-04 12:54 GMT+01:00 Ivana Madžarević <
> ivana.madzare...@vikimedija.org>:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm Ivana Madžarević, Project and Community Manager of Wikimedia Serbia
>> .
>> I'm reaching out to you hoping that you will join organizing World Mime Day
>> Wiki edit-a-thon. It's an international event that will be held in several
>> countries (so far confirmed) around the world on 22nd of March.
>>
>> The idea came up in cooperation of Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian actor
>> Marko Stojanović (also president of World Mime Organisation
>> ). We wanted to enrich Wikipedia and
>> Wikimedia Commons with relevant articles and photos of mime artists,
>> theaters, festivals, history etc. Mr Stojanović is very well connected with
>> institutions who can provide literature, photo materials and maybe even a
>> venue for the edit-a-thon. It would have much more impact if it's organized
>> in several countries on the same date - similar like Art
>> edit-a-thons. Organizing such an event will help developing strong
>> relations between chapters and building partnerships with relevant
>> institutions through networking.
>>
>> I've created meta page
>> 
>> and I'm asking you to join and add information about your chapter if you're
>> willing to organize it. So far, several countries confirmed their interest.
>> Wikimedians from Bulgaria, Armenia, Macedonia and Georgia will organize it
>> and some of them have already contacted institutions who can help with
>> sources and photos. Event in Serbia will probably be organized at Singidunum
>> faculty  in Belgrade. Mr Stojanović is
>> preparing photos that will be released and used for illustrating Wikipedia
>> articles.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me if you need any assistance or help. Also, if you
>> have any suggestion or comment, do share them.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> --
>> Ивана Маџаревић
>> Менаџер пројеката и заједнице
>>
>> Викимедија Србије  - rs.wikimedia.org -
>> 00381 (0)60 7 454 773
>>
>> „Замислите свет у коме свака особа има слободан приступ целокупном
>> људском знању. То је оно на чему ми радимо.“
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ивана Маџаревић
> Менаџер пројеката и заједнице
>
> Викимедија Србије  - rs.wikimedia.org -
> 00381 (0)60 7 454 773
>
> „Замислите свет у коме свака особа има слободан приступ целокупном људском
> знању. То је оно на чему ми радимо.“
>
>


-- 
Ивана Маџаревић
Менаџер пројеката и заједнице

Викимедија Србије  - rs.wikimedia.org -
00381 (0)60 7 454 773

„Замислите свет у коме свака особа има слободан приступ целокупном људском
знању. То је оно на чему ми радимо.“

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

[Edward Galvez]

Hi Andreas,

Thanks for your email. A few wmf staff have worked on a page on meta to invite 
anyone to post their thoughts about transparency at 
https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Transparency/Practices. Would you be able to 
post your idea there? I'd be happy to post it there for you if you have not yet 
done so / dont have time.

Based on what you say about being "no nearer to transparency", it would be 
great to know what "transparency" means to you and how transparency (or lack of 
transparency) affects you or your wikimedia work. There is no silver bullet to 
fixing transparency for everyone all the time, so I think its important to get 
on the same page first about the problem. I hope you find this page useful.

Thanks so much,
Edward



> On Mar 12, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> 
> On March 1, Jimmy Wales wrote:[1]
> 
> things like standard boilerplate language to be signed by
>> all employees doesn't strike me as something in and of itself to be kept
>> private - there is a valid interest in showing that our policies are
>> fair and humane for employees, responsible in terms of the privacy of
>> personal information, etc.
> 
> Nothing appears to have happened since then – we seem to be no nearer to
> transparency about the non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement
> clauses WMF staff have to sign than we were two weeks ago, when discussion
> around this topic kicked off in another thread.[2]
> 
> This seems to be a recurring (and daunting) pattern. People call for
> transparency about a particular issue. Eventually, someone in a leadership
> position responds that yes, demands for transparency about this issue are
> quite reasonable, and in fact more transparency would be absolutely
> desirable.
> 
> At this point, people relax, feeling they have been heard. The clamouring
> crowd disperses. But in fact, nothing happens, and the same questions arise
> again some weeks, months, years down the line.
> 
> Maggie, is this something your department could take on? It would be good
> to have one identified person at the Foundation who is responsible for
> tracking such queries and reporting back to the community, one way or the
> other.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-March/082852.html
> [2] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/685183#685183
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