[Wikimedia-l] Re: The Wikipedia Library: Accessing free reliable sources is now easier than ever

[Rebecca O'Neill]

I understand where you are coming from Mike, but I'm a bit stumped by it at
the same time. Do you apply the same logic to editors using expensive print
books they happen to have access through to some sort of connection or
other privilege? I often think about this in the opposite way, wrestling
information from behind paywalls into the open, I don't know how I feel
about anything that would discourage that.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 17:49, Mike Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> While the Wikipedia Library is definitely great at providing editors
> resources to find more information to Wikipedia articles - it does also
> have the drawback that it makes it much harder for readers to verify
> that information. It can even cause problems for other editors who
> haven't opted to join it, when they are working on the same articles as
> those that have.
>
> Have the issues this creates for readers been documented/discussed
> somewhere by the Wikipedia Library team? Do the tools point towards
> where the information might be publicly available outside of the
> Library? (I've seen some references being added that I could find
> publicly available through some googling.)
>
> I can't complain too much about this, since it's sadly generally how the
> world works - particularly coming from the academic side where I don't
> even see most journal paywalls from my work internet connection.
> However, I think it's also important to have a balanced viewpoint here,
> particularly since we're much more on the side of open access than
> encouraging links to closed access resources.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 24/1/22 15:39:43, Todd Allen wrote:
> > Excellent work. Thanks to all who worked on this project and made it
> happen.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:10 AM Sam Walton  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We've just published a blog post summarising the new features and
> > functionality available to active Wikipedia editors in The Wikipedia
> > Library:
> >
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/01/19/the-wikipedia-library-accessing-free-reliable-sources-is-now-easier-than-ever/
> > <
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/01/19/the-wikipedia-library-accessing-free-reliable-sources-is-now-easier-than-ever/
> >
> >
> > The Wikipedia Library is a tool providing active Wikipedia editors
> > with free access to otherwise-paywalled resources, including
> > journals, books, newspapers, magazines, and databases. Over the past
> > 5-10 years the library has built up a large collection of content
> > from a wide range of publishers.
> >
> > In the past couple of years we've been finalising the centralised
> > Wikipedia Library tool used for accessing all this content:
> > https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/
> > . I'm really pleased to
> > announce that we've finished work on some long-requested and planned
> > features which make it really simple to use!
> >
> > The library now has:
> >
> >   * Proxy-based authentication for direct access of resources
> > without a secondary login
> >   * A centralised search feature for browsing multiple collections
> > from one place
> >   * An on-wiki notification to let editors know about the library
> > when they have crossed the eligibility threshold (rolling out in
> > stages throughout January)
> >
> > As the project I first joined the Wikimedia Foundation to work on
> > years ago I'm personally thrilled that we've finally been able to
> > deploy all these features!
> >
> > If you're eligible to use the library (500+ edits, 6+ months
> > editing) you can jump in and start using the library straight away.
> > We're now working on expanding and diversifying the content
> > available in the library, so let us know on the suggestions page if
> > there are collections you want us to make available:
> > https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/
> > 
> >
> > If the tool isn't currently localised into your language, you can
> > translate it on TranslateWiki:
> >
> https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Wikipedia_Library_Card_Platform
> > <
> https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Wikipedia_Library_Card_Platform
> >
> >
> > We're planning to host some Office Hours, which will be a chance to
> > get a walkthrough of how to use the library, as well as discuss your
> > research needs and requests for new collections with the team. Look
> > out for more on that in the coming weeks.
> >
> > --
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> > Product Manager, The Wikipedia Library
> >
> > swal...@wikimedia.org
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Community Ireland Strategic Plan 2021-2024

[Rebecca O'Neill]

 Dear all,

Over the course of November 2020, the committee of Wikimedia Community
Ireland held 4 meetings dedicated to the development of the group's first 3
year strategic plan. It was formally adopted by the committee on 11 January
2021, and can be found on Commons here
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Ireland_Strategic_Plan_2021-2024.pdf>
.

We are very excited by many of the elements of the new plan, and would love
to hear from anyone interested in working with us to achieve the goals set
out.

Hope everyone is enjoying Wikipedia's big day!
(Next January Vicipéid, the Irish language Wikipedia turns 18, so watch
this space!)

Kind Regards,
Rebecca O'Neill
on behalf of Wikimedia Community Ireland

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Community Ireland user group report 2020

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Hi all,

As we don't have any events scheduled for the rest of the month, Wikimedia
Community Ireland have submitted their annual report for 2020 today. You
can find it here

.

Do get in touch if you have any questions :)

Kind Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] online meetings

[Rebecca O'Neill]

I think this is a really great idea. Zoom burnout is very real, and with
the extra strategy meetings held over a wide time difference, I'm finding a
lot of creep into personal time is increasingly an issue for me and those I
collaborate with. It's been a heavy year all around, and factoring in a
collective down time would signal to everyone that we all deserve time and
space to rest, as best we can.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 at 03:11, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Kaya
>
> Over the last 9 months the movement has really taken to the use of "zoom"
> style technology to hold and host events, I dont doubt they have been
> really productive in addressing the many needs of the community.
>
> One thing I have noticed is just how many of these notices are coming
> through now with some meetings taking place not once but multiple times to
> ensure everyone has access to them in their best time period.
>
> I know as volunteers we are able to pick and choose what we do, I also
> know we are placing a lot of pressure on affiliates to be upto date on all
> these events.  I raise a concern that perhaps we as a community are
> starting to over do these meetings and stretch volunteer resources to point
> of breaking or being overwhelmed.  I know that as WP20 approaches these
> meetings are going to accelerate and put greater demands on our limited
> resources.
>
> I propose that the community has a quiet period from the 14 December to
> 5th January where we dont hold general meetings, webinars, cafes, and
> strategy discussions to give people time to refresh and focus on family.
> Obviously some small group focused community meetings will be necessary as
> part of WP20 and other preparations so I'm not suggesting ruling out all
> meetings just asking that we remember that there is life outside of the
> movement we should be allowing people time to focus on as well.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Celtic Knot Conference 2020 registration and schedule now live!

[Rebecca O'Neill]

*Dear all/A chairdeWe are very excited to announce that registration

and the schedule
 are now live
for the Celtic Knot Conference 2020, taking place remotely on 9-10 July
with satellite events throughout the week of 6-12 July.The Celtic Knot
Wikimedia Language Conference aims to bring people together to share their
experiences of working on sharing information in minority languages. We aim
to help people learn how to direct the flow of information across language
barriers and support their communities. As in previous years we will have a
strong focus on Wikidata and its potential to support languages. This year,
it’s hosted by Wikimedia Community Ireland in collaboration with Wikimedia
UK. The conference will be a mixture of live streamed and pre-recorded
content also available to allow for participation and engagement across
time zones. We will have space for social activities, so that we can
connect and hopefully learn a little about Irish culture. There is also the
chance for anyone to host a satellite event

during the week of the conference to showcase projects, campaigns or other
work being done that is relevant to the conference themes.We look forward
to seeing you all in July!From the organization team,Wikimedia UK (Daria
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Seeing as you decided to call me out specifically, that line of reasoning
falls apart when you note that WMF foundations funds and supports
initiatives that would been seen as supporting all of those examples you
gave:

   - Wiki Loves Earth for animal sanctuaries, highlighting areas of natural
   beauty and those that require protection
   - WikiProject Medicine covers articles relating to opioid (and all
   manner of other addictions)
   - Art+Feminism and Wikimedia LGBT+ work to promote issues relating to
   LGBT+ and feminist content worldwide


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 22:35, Nathan  wrote:

> There's a tendency of people with an association with the Wikimedia
> movement to see it as a hammer that can be swung at every nail. This is
> embodied most perfectly in the e-mail by Rebecca O'Neil, who claims that if
> WMF doesn't take a position on any issue (or every issue?), it is taking a
> position in support of the status quo.
>
> That is absurd. The movement and the WMF have a purpose. That purpose is
> not koala habitats, nor Superfund sites, nor opioid addiction nor LGTB
> rights in Uganda. All those issues are valuable purposes for an
> organization to have, but the WMF has a different purpose. Its activities
> should be in pursuit of its mission. Not any and every mission that at
> least some Wikimedians think is valuable.
>
> All that said, how many views did the wikimediafoundation.org site get
> during the time the banner was up? A few hundred? A few thousand? Varnum
> apologized, the banner was a bit of a rush job. Rather than arguing why WMF
> should support all your pet causes or, alternatively, hand over the keys to
> "the community" - maybe just move on.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses not to
speak out or state an opinion on something, then we are giving our support
to the status quo.

Believing yourself to be apolitical is as much a fantasy as being
completely objective, it is inherently impossible.

Rebecca

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 16:50 John Erling Blad,  wrote:

> It is said quite often that the Wikimedia-movement is apolitical. In
> strongly believe the movement with its goal has never been, and never will
> be apolitical. When we say that knowledge should be free and fully
> available for everyone, then we make a political statement. It may not
> align with you favorite love/hate political party, but it is still a very
> strong political statement.
>
> So please, don't claim the movement to be apolitical. We may not align with
> any specific political party in any specific country, but we are still not
> apolitical.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Celtic Knot Conference final call for participation

[Rebecca O'Neill]

*Dear all/A chairdeThe Call for Papers or Participation in the 2020
virtual/remote Celtic Knot Wikimedia Language Conference
 closes on
Thursday 30 April at midnight. The event will centre around 9-10 July with
workshops, help desks and other events taking place throughout the week.We
are looking for your most imaginative ideas for how we can host a variety
of interesting, engaging, and enlightening talks, workshops, presentations,
and events. We are looking for those with Wikimedia experience to share to
use their new virtual hosting and facilitating skills with those in Ireland
and beyond to bring those new events to Celtic Knot 2020.*


*Is there a new event format you have been experimenting with for your
language or other community?*




*Have you found the best platform to run a workshop, helpdesk, or learning
environment?Has a virtual/remote format you’ve developed, and you want to
showcase it to others?Are you a Wikidata, Commons, Translation Tool, or
other wizard, and you want to help new editors get involved through Celtic
Knot?Have you been trying something so innovative that you would like to
share with the Wikimedia community?Then submit a proposal here

to bring that event to Celtic Knot 2020 to work with those engaged with
minority languages. The submission formats are guidance, please feel free
to propose something that will suit your submission for a workshop, virtual
round table, interactive event or helpdesk.We look forward to hearing from
you!From the organization team,Wikimedia UK (Daria Cybulska, Director of
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[Wikimedia-l] Celtic Knot Conference 2020 will take place remotely

[Rebecca O'Neill]

*Dear all,Here’s an update regarding the Celtic Knot Wikimedia Language
Conference ,
planned on 9-10 July in Limerick, Ireland, organised by Wikimedia UK and
Wikimedia Community Ireland together with the Hunt Museum.We are taking the
current health crisis very seriously, and we cannot foresee how long it
will take before things get back to normal. However, we really want to
maintain an event that can bring together various people from the Wikimedia
community as well as cultural and education institutions to work on
minority languages on the Wikimedia projects.For these reasons, we decided
to transform this year’s edition of the Celtic Knot Conference into a fully
remote event. We will build a structure and a program that allows sharing
content online, as well as social interactions and knowledge exchange,
through various tools (videostream, chat, collaborative content
creation).This situation is unexpected, but we still hope that we can take
the best out of it, experiment on new formats, and we are convinced that
our participants will come up with creative ideas. The previously opened
call for papers will keep running for an extended time, until Thursday 30
April. Feel free to make some proposals and indicate what would be your
favourite format.We will keep you updated on this talk page
 to let
you know about the new format of the conference and how to participate. If
you have any ideas or suggestions, they are very welcome on this page
too.Thanks for your understanding agus slán go fóill!For the organization
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

[Rebecca O'Neill]

The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities,
colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The
current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I
had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone
even at a much smaller scale.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:

> Dear Risker,
>
> Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This
> is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can
> follow suit.
>
> All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski)
> cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
>
> Best,
>
> DJ "pundit"
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker  wrote:
>
> > Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
> meetings,
> > it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal
> > and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For
> > the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
> > standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons
> and
> > similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The
> broad
> > movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of
> > its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
> > probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
> > #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
> our
> > movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
> >
> > I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
> SARS
> > patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for
> > hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
> But
> > given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
> not
> > to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
> better
> > sense of how this will all play out.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Community Ireland reports 2019

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Dear all,

Announcement is a little late, but better late than never?
You can find a rolling archive of all the events of Wikimedia Community
Ireland here on Meta
,
or if you want more indepth reporting check out our mid-term report on our
Simple APG

.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

[Rebecca O'Neill]

I think this is what is being referenced:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:09, Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of
> non-Wikimedians because we are not Facebook. Apart from that, I'd like to
> see some evidence for this. Thanks
>
> User:Rodhullandemu
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> - Original Message -
> From: Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on
> otherprojects
>
> 
>
> Can you provide some links?
> I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall
> any issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally
> correct (all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody
> digs into that very much.
> It's true however that I have a cynical approach. In general, I think that
> whoever spends his/her time on this and not on deleting unused low
> resolution old images or cropping files or improving categorization is
> probably more focused on chasing users than actually cleaning up. As soon
> as you assume that this is the core source of the behavior, you can teach
> newbies quite well how to avoid it. It's not "good faith" but... it kinda
> works.
> Alessandro
>
> Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 17:11:44 CET, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> Hoi,
> Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
> Wikipedia.
>
> At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We
> are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best
> suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at
> Commons.
>
> When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia, it
> is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects. The
> projects who operate to different standards who have notability criteria
> different from English Wikipedia.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

[Rebecca O'Neill]

I've been involved in the movement for ~7 years, took one look at IRC and
walked very quickly the other way, having used it 15+ years ago. I'm all
for retro, but that was taking it too far.
Relying on a tool that has been been haemorrhaging users for years, and
golden years are seen as around 20 years ago, seems less than ideal.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 22:37, Todd Allen  wrote:

> Then, they're welcome to pop on in any time. If they choose not to, well,
> no one can make them. Anyone is able to use those tools.
>
> Todd
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:32 PM Guillaume Paumier 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 10:31, Todd Allen  a
> écrit :
> >
> > > I don't think anyone had bad intentions. It was just redundant.
> > >
> > > Real time communication is on IRC. Asynchronous communication is either
> > on
> > > the wiki, preferably, or on the mailing list.
> > >
> > > Quit trying to make us TwitFaceTube. The tools we already have work
> just
> > > fine.
> >
> >
> > That perspective suffers from a lack of empathy. "The tools we already
> > have" may work for the limited sample of the population who are currently
> > using them. Assuming that that sample is representative is flawed and is
> a
> > classic example of survivorship bias. If we have learned anything from
> the
> > Space experiment and from years of strategy discussions, it is that the
> > tools we currently have do not, in fact, work just fine for a large
> number
> > of people, whose voices are missing from our discussions and content.
> >
> > --
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> > (he/him)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Is it, perhaps, that the value a lot of people derive from these events is
not just the conference itself, but the ability to meet fellow Wikimedians
face-to-face and make meaningful contacts and even friendships that may
never otherwise have come about? I'm all about virtual, but there is value
in physical events, and I would say that we should make time and space for
both.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:54, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> Yes
>
> We dont give all scholarships for that reason while for regional Wikicon we
> receive more requests and we fill the amount immediately.
>
> It's not an opinion that in our events people prefer to arrive by train and
> not by flight. We see it as soon we receive the expenses report and when we
> ask the reason the answer is the climate change.
>
> Kind regards
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 13:25 Gabriel Thullen,  wrote:
>
> > I am a Swiss member, and I did go to Wikimania (and did a small
> > presentation).
> >
> > I think that you need to clarify you statement:
> > "In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because people
> > would not do long trips."
> >
> > When looking up what was sais for Wikimania 2019 I read:
> > "Wikimedia CH offers scholarships for active Wikimedians. They cover
> > transportation, hotel (max 3 nights) from the 16th to the 18th, and
> > registration fees. To check your eligibility, you can consult conditions
> of
> > eligibility on this page
> > ."
> >
> > Best regards
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM Ilario Valdelli 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Anyways this is perceived by the community.
> > >
> > > In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because
> people
> > > would not do long trips.
> > >
> > > IMHO the problem is these big events.
> > >
> > > For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for regional
> wikicon
> > > than to Wikimania.
> > >
> > > This is the reason why you dont see more Swiss people at Wikimania.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 00:51 Samuel Klein,  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez <
> > wikigamal...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not
> using
> > > > > community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a
> > billionth
> > > > > time.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I laughed out loud.
> > > >
> > > > AND.   I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some practical
> > > > thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > a) Reach out to Stripe
> > > > , which
> has
> > a
> > > > through self-assessment and a negative-emissions program, and the
> Long
> > > Now,
> > > > to coordinate efforts.
> > > > b) Evaluate the community-wide carbon footprint, which is dominated
> by
> > > >   b.1) How we run conferences [*mostly in person*]
> > > >   b.2) How we choose partners, communicate climate imformation, and
> > > > prioritize related policies [*fairly ad-hoc*]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Rebecca O'Neill]

It wasn't hostile Pine, but it wasn't a great idea to call out one of the
few women on the chain for assuming bad faith given some of the other
statements and assertions on the thread.

I did not make any assumptions on the motivations of those who take part in
the on wiki discussions, I just stated that the results were often hostile
environments which make engagement difficult or intimidating. And then I am
name checked for making this rather mundane and oft cited issue. It was
just a poor choice given the circumstances overall.

I don't take part as a I don't want my "card to be marked" or have certain
editors monitoring my on wiki contributions based on assumptions made about
me and my editing motivations.

On Thu 13 Jun 2019, 00:33 Pine W,  wrote:

> I'm sorry if my post sounded hostile. I wish that I knew what to say.
>
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 16:19 Rebecca O'Neill 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pine,
> >
> > While I appreciate your attempt at guidance here, given some of the
> > messages in the chain the fact that you are calling me out as assuming
> bad
> > faith out of all the participants does not inspire me to take part at
> all.
> >
> > Thanks, but I feel that I might just go back to deleting these onerous
> > threads as has been my custom in the past rather than be singled out in
> > such a manner.
> >
> > If I had wanted to be tone policed o would have engaged with the on-wiki
> > conversation.
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 23:58 Pine W,  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Rebecca,
> > >
> > > These conversations can be stressful for many of us, including me.
> > >
> > > Speaking up in public can take courage. Thank you for participating
> here,
> > > and I encourage you to continue to participate even if you are in the
> > > minority regarding a certain discussion.
> > >
> > > I know that this can be difficult to do, and it's sometimes difficult
> for
> > > me to do, but please be careful about linking strong opinions with
> > assuming
> > > bad faith on the part of the people who state those opinions. Sometimes
> > > there are good reasons for assuming bad faith, but I think that it's
> easy
> > > for many of us, including me, to rush to the conclusion that someone
> who
> > > disagrees with me may be acting in bad faith.
> > >
> > > I am sorry if you feel that you are not welcome here. Public
> discussions
> > > can be rough, but personally I think that they are usually for the
> best.
> > >
> > > I hope that my comments here are somehow encouraging.
> > >
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> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Hi Pine,

While I appreciate your attempt at guidance here, given some of the
messages in the chain the fact that you are calling me out as assuming bad
faith out of all the participants does not inspire me to take part at all.

Thanks, but I feel that I might just go back to deleting these onerous
threads as has been my custom in the past rather than be singled out in
such a manner.

If I had wanted to be tone policed o would have engaged with the on-wiki
conversation.

Rebecca

On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 23:58 Pine W,  wrote:

> Hi Rebecca,
>
> These conversations can be stressful for many of us, including me.
>
> Speaking up in public can take courage. Thank you for participating here,
> and I encourage you to continue to participate even if you are in the
> minority regarding a certain discussion.
>
> I know that this can be difficult to do, and it's sometimes difficult for
> me to do, but please be careful about linking strong opinions with assuming
> bad faith on the part of the people who state those opinions. Sometimes
> there are good reasons for assuming bad faith, but I think that it's easy
> for many of us, including me, to rush to the conclusion that someone who
> disagrees with me may be acting in bad faith.
>
> I am sorry if you feel that you are not welcome here. Public discussions
> can be rough, but personally I think that they are usually for the best.
>
> I hope that my comments here are somehow encouraging.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Rebecca O'Neill]

I didn't make any speculation as to the potential views of any
non-participating editors. I didn't even proffer my own view.

I do find it telling that the assumption was made as to what side I would
fall on. My problem with how these discussions unfold is that there is a
vocal minority that dominate every single last one of them which does
nothing to inspire me to engage (along with many other editors I know). You
are right that the length and tone of the discussions is a huge factor in
that, along with the general fatigue brought on by the wall of text effect.

There is a strong element of certain editors continuously setting the tone
of these discussions which is unbearably adversarial and exclusionary.

On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 22:33 Todd Allen,  wrote:

> I don't believe we can presume everyone who hasn't participated in the
> discussion would like to disagree but is afraid to.
>
> Among all active contributors, I suspect non-participants are mostly a mix
> of unaware of the issue, don't have a strong opinion about the issue, don't
> understand what's happening and don't want to devote the time to
> understanding it, or don't care. Given the WMF's actions, there may indeed
> even be some who do not like what they've done, but are afraid to be seen
> speaking against them--look what happened to the last guy! And of course
> some people on both sides might be hesitant to enter a discussion that's
> rather heated and very fast-moving, not to mention the sheer size of the
> page to read just to catch up on what already happened.
>
> So, pretty much every discussion is decided by those who choose to
> participate in it. I don't know any way around that; we can't force people
> to participate. At some point, if you don't stick your hand up, you don't
> get counted.
>
> Todd
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 3:10 PM Rebecca O'Neill 
> wrote:
>
> > Just you reply to your point on how many people are speaking out against
> > this decision, I'm a relatively active and interested editor and I have
> no
> > interest in voicing my opinion there as the atmosphere is so toxic. There
> > is always a danger of the tyranny of a vocal and motivated minority
> > appearing to be the dominant opinion of the community as a whole. I would
> > proffer that that is a deeply flawed premise, if we were to take into
> > account the number of people engaged in this discussion and compare it to
> > the number of regular contributors.
> >
> > On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 22:01 Yaroslav Blanter,  wrote:
> >
> > > Just to summarize the difference between WMF and ArbCom, in view of the
> > > majority of the en.wiki community:
> > >
> > > We elect ArbCom, and if they do not do what they should be doing, they
> do
> > > not get re-elected in two years, which happens on a regular basis
> > >
> > > We do not elect WMF and in fact we have no means of influencing WMF
> > (apart
> > > of the three Trustees we elect every three years who are themselves
> > > typically alienated from the community). Short of taking down the
> > > fundraiser banner or of organizing a Wikipedia blackout.
> > >
> > > This is the difference, and this is why virtually everybody who had to
> > say
> > > smth about this episode was unhappy with the process. Without looking
> at
> > > the diffs, I only remember three users who were perfectly happy with
> what
> > > happened, out of hundreds who said smth.
> > >
> > > One unfortunate consequence of the whole episode was, whoever is right
> > and
> > > whoever is wrong, the general opinion about WMF in the community is
> > > all-time low, with people generally not prepared to believe to anything
> > > communicated to them. If WMF is not interested in getting very
> unpleasant
> > > surprises, they should start working towards building the community
> > trust.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Yaroslav
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM GorillaWarfare <
> > > gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:36 AM Fæ  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Any Arbcom approved sanction against Fram based on the evidence
> would
> > > not
> > > > > be controversial for anyone.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for coming in late to this conversation; I've mostly been
> > following
> > > > the sicussion happening on-wiki. But I wanted to pipe up to say that
> I
> > > > absolutely do not believe this is true (see also my comment here
> > > > <
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Just you reply to your point on how many people are speaking out against
this decision, I'm a relatively active and interested editor and I have no
interest in voicing my opinion there as the atmosphere is so toxic. There
is always a danger of the tyranny of a vocal and motivated minority
appearing to be the dominant opinion of the community as a whole. I would
proffer that that is a deeply flawed premise, if we were to take into
account the number of people engaged in this discussion and compare it to
the number of regular contributors.

On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 22:01 Yaroslav Blanter,  wrote:

> Just to summarize the difference between WMF and ArbCom, in view of the
> majority of the en.wiki community:
>
> We elect ArbCom, and if they do not do what they should be doing, they do
> not get re-elected in two years, which happens on a regular basis
>
> We do not elect WMF and in fact we have no means of influencing WMF (apart
> of the three Trustees we elect every three years who are themselves
> typically alienated from the community). Short of taking down the
> fundraiser banner or of organizing a Wikipedia blackout.
>
> This is the difference, and this is why virtually everybody who had to say
> smth about this episode was unhappy with the process. Without looking at
> the diffs, I only remember three users who were perfectly happy with what
> happened, out of hundreds who said smth.
>
> One unfortunate consequence of the whole episode was, whoever is right and
> whoever is wrong, the general opinion about WMF in the community is
> all-time low, with people generally not prepared to believe to anything
> communicated to them. If WMF is not interested in getting very unpleasant
> surprises, they should start working towards building the community trust.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM GorillaWarfare <
> gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:36 AM Fæ  wrote:
> >
> > > Any Arbcom approved sanction against Fram based on the evidence would
> not
> > > be controversial for anyone.
> >
> >
> > Sorry for coming in late to this conversation; I've mostly been following
> > the sicussion happening on-wiki. But I wanted to pipe up to say that I
> > absolutely do not believe this is true (see also my comment here
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard=revision=901559520=901559137=source
> > >).
> > To repeat my comment somewhat, the English Wikipedia ArbCom has in the
> past
> > had to place similar bans: that is, ones against long-term contributors
> > with many supporters, and ones in which the full details behind what led
> to
> > the ban cannot be revealed publicly. The reaction has been quite similar
> to
> > the one the WMF is currently experiencing—"star chamber" accusations,
> > claims that we've abused our power or the process, and assumptions that
> the
> > ban is unwarranted unless everyone is allowed to scrutinize the private
> > evidence. The ArbCom is empowered to take action based off of
> > privately-submitted evidence and private discussion, but in practice it
> is
> > extremely poorly-received when we do, basically across-the-board.
> >
> > – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

[Rebecca O'Neill]

I agree Galder!

I would like to respond to Phoebe's comment on not wanting to draw people
to the *Wikimedia* movement is not true of the Irish experience. We have
some idea of an editing community that aren't interested in getting
involved in our user group (and probably never will be), so we are very
keen to draw people to volunteering as Wikimedians not just as editors.
Presenting our group as something more than people who are experienced
Wikipedia editors is very important to us, and anything that makes that
message easier would be of huge benefit to us.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 19:21, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well, that Wikidata problem happens on English Wikipedia. Some Wikipedias
> (Basque, Catalan, even French) are embracing Wikidata extensively.
>
> And there's the branding issue. Maybe Wikipedia is not THE future.
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Community Ireland 2018 Report

[Rebecca O'Neill]

Dear all,

After a small delay, WCI is delighted to say that a brief report of all of
its event from 2018 (along with every other year since 2014!) can be found
on our Past Projects Meta page
.

Thanks all!
Rebecca

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