It wasn't hostile Pine, but it wasn't a great idea to call out one of the few women on the chain for assuming bad faith given some of the other statements and assertions on the thread.
I did not make any assumptions on the motivations of those who take part in the on wiki discussions, I just stated that the results were often hostile environments which make engagement difficult or intimidating. And then I am name checked for making this rather mundane and oft cited issue. It was just a poor choice given the circumstances overall. I don't take part as a I don't want my "card to be marked" or have certain editors monitoring my on wiki contributions based on assumptions made about me and my editing motivations. On Thu 13 Jun 2019, 00:33 Pine W, <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sorry if my post sounded hostile. I wish that I knew what to say. > > > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 16:19 Rebecca O'Neill <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Pine, > > > > While I appreciate your attempt at guidance here, given some of the > > messages in the chain the fact that you are calling me out as assuming > bad > > faith out of all the participants does not inspire me to take part at > all. > > > > Thanks, but I feel that I might just go back to deleting these onerous > > threads as has been my custom in the past rather than be singled out in > > such a manner. > > > > If I had wanted to be tone policed o would have engaged with the on-wiki > > conversation. > > > > Rebecca > > > > On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 23:58 Pine W, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Rebecca, > > > > > > These conversations can be stressful for many of us, including me. > > > > > > Speaking up in public can take courage. Thank you for participating > here, > > > and I encourage you to continue to participate even if you are in the > > > minority regarding a certain discussion. > > > > > > I know that this can be difficult to do, and it's sometimes difficult > for > > > me to do, but please be careful about linking strong opinions with > > assuming > > > bad faith on the part of the people who state those opinions. Sometimes > > > there are good reasons for assuming bad faith, but I think that it's > easy > > > for many of us, including me, to rush to the conclusion that someone > who > > > disagrees with me may be acting in bad faith. > > > > > > I am sorry if you feel that you are not welcome here. Public > discussions > > > can be rough, but personally I think that they are usually for the > best. > > > > > > I hope that my comments here are somehow encouraging. > > > > > > Pine > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
