Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement
I can't find a copy of mine (probably in storage somewhere) but I would assume mine was identical to Keegan's since we came in at the same time and did the same job. -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote: Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the disclosure period, then? Is it indefinite? Disclosure period? If you mean how long the party is bound by the agreement, then it'll depends on the exact agreement. For things like personally identifiable information, it will be forever which is kinda the point of having the NDA in the first place. KTC My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years. I found the copy. James Salsman: There are no terms about disparaging information or anything like that. Save it for another thread, please. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vote for the most exciting research work about Wikipedia
Hello, thank you Carol Ann, the five finalist works are very interesting. I correct the link to choose the best paper : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers Guillaume 2013/3/6 Carol Ann carolann.oh...@wikimedia.fr Hi all, Wikimédia France launched an international research award aiming to reward the most influential research work on Wikimedia projects and free knowledge. After the initial submission of research papers by the community of researchers who study Wikimedia projects, a jury http://researchaward.wikimedia.fr/en/page-d-exemple/have selected five finalists among a thirty proposals http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/papers_submission . You can find summaries and full texts below : ** **Studying cooperation and conflict between authors with history flow visualizations* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Studying_Cooperation_and_Conflict_between_Authors_with_history_flow_Visualisations http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Studying_Cooperation_and_Conflict_between_Authors_with_history_flow_Visualisations by Fernanda B. Viégas, Martin Wattenberg and Kushal Dave, published in 2004. ** **DBpedia: A Nucleus for a Web of Open Data* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#DBpedia:_A_Nucleus_for_a_Web_of_Open_Data by Sören Auer, Christian Bizer, Georgi Kobilarov, Jens Lehmann, Richard Cyganiak and Zachary Ives, published in 2007. ** **A Content-Driven Reputation System for the Wikipedia* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#A_Content-Driven_Reputation_System_for_the_Wikipedia by Thomas Adler and Luca de Alfaro, published in 2007. ** **Creating, destroying, and restoring value in Wikipedia* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Creating.2C_destroying.2C_and_restoring_in_Wikipedia by Reid Priedhorsky, Jilin Chen, Shyong K. Lam, Katherine Panciera, Loren Terveen and John Riedl, published in 2007. ** **Can history be open source? Wikipedia and the future of the past* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Can_history_be_open_source.3F_Wikipedia_and_the_future_of_the_past by Roy Rosenzweig, published in 2006. It's now up to you to choose the most influential. For that, please visit this page : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papersand vote. *Voting will close on Monday, March 11*. The announcement of the winner is scheduled for the end of March. If you have any question, please use the project talk page, thanks ! -- Carol Ann O'Hare Chargée de mission recherche et enseignement - Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 07.62.92.42.03 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Hi Dimi, the people at Brel are quite flexible, so I guess you could book the hostel beds for those that want to stay there (in one/a few rooms) if enough in advance. Probably you could arrange that people pay themselves. I stayed there a few times now, and they are decent but not awesome (it's a hostel). In the region there are not many cheap places (yay european civil servants!). Their meeting facilities seemed at the time indeed the easiest too - but perhaps you find something better. Lodewijk 2013/3/6 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimit...@gmail.com Hey Christophe, Since I am on location I am co-organising the meeting. We can't really book the acoomodation for everyone, but I will make sure to include this tip in meeting info page on meta I am preparing. Hopefully by the end of the week I will be able to confirm everything (incl. meeting room) and let all the interested participants know more about the details. This said, if anyone needs any Brussels-specific help or informaiton just let me know. I am happy to assist. Dimi 2013/3/6 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com Hey, I don't know who's organizing, but for the last meeting (in 2009) we had it in this hostel http://www.lesaubergesdejeunesse.be/ it was really really nice. Though it was almost fully booked and we all slept in different hostel/hotels. Just to help the people organizing with a good tip :) Best, -- Christophe On 6 March 2013 15:10, Nicole Ebber nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de wrote: And please allow me to add that there are only chapter representatives in Milan, but this project is also open to non-chapter community members. On top of that, you don't know whether the representatives a chapter sends are the ones who are interested in/working on those policy issues. Best, Nicole On 6 March 2013 14:48, Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi Balázs, of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about things really work. And apart from that, we searched for a very really central city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels. Best, Jan 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why don't you integrate this into the schedule of that instead? Balazs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi all, a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add certain points of interest or comments in advance. Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow: http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5 Best wishes, Jan -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin http://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement
On Mar 7, 2013 8:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote: Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the disclosure period, then? Is it indefinite? Disclosure period? If you mean how long the party is bound by the agreement, then it'll depends on the exact agreement. For things like personally identifiable information, it will be forever which is kinda the point of having the NDA in the first place. KTC My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years. I found the copy. Same for mine, except for personally identifying information, which is forever. James Salsman: There are no terms about disparaging information or anything like that. Save it for another thread, please. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
Hi james, (renamed thread to not distract from NDA discussion) Your concerns have been noted, several times. But I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? because a) there is no such policy. There are several areas where WMF pays market salary or more. Please don't create a myth. I have talked to our recruiters and they confirm this. Stating it as fact does not help your case or your credibility. In my experience WMF compensation and other benefits is well thought about and choices have been made (you might not agree with their outcome but they are being made, they don't happen to us) b) you could argue that any salary level discriminates against people who need more. Just because I chose to have three kids (who will hopefully end up going to college if they want to do so) and choose to live where I want to live does not mean someone who offers me a salary which is unable to support my choices is discriminating against me… I live by the choices I make… Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical in the WMF sense… as I find the idea of any substantial discussion amongst WMF employees being restrained by a document unrealistic. I am grateful that we have enough critical employees who are willing to voice their opinion on pretty much everything. While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I think that its time to stop spreading a myth. If you do insist on tackling the issue, please base yourself on facts and not small sets of data an generalisations. I don't have all the fact either, but I know enough to know that your generalising statements are incorrect, so please stop making them. Jan-Bart On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:51 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know more about the non-disparagement clause which multiple people have stated that the Foundation's NDA includes. In particular, does it forbid employees from discussing the fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? Does it forbid employees from discussing the fact that the only evidence ever produced by Foundation employees in support of that policy is a non-peer reviewed popular press book which is not only contradicted by all of the recent secondary sources on the subject, but the interpretation of which is contradicted by the author of the book himself? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement
On 7 March 2013 08:11, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years. I found the copy. James Salsman: There are no terms about disparaging information or anything like that. Save it for another thread, please. The NDA I signed while helping out with WMF fundraising stuff while I was visiting the office (which I think was around April 2010) did have non-disparagement stuff in it. I remember because I had a discussion with Mike Godwin (who was General Counsel at the time) about it and got him to narrow the scope of the clause before I would sign it (the version I signed said I couldn't use anything I learned while doing the fundraising work to disparage the WMF, rather than that I couldn't disparage them at all). If that bit had been removed from the standard NDA by 7 November 2011, then that's a very good thing IMHO. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Info: Shabab Mustafa of WMBD joins the WCA Council
Dear Wikimedians, I have the pleasure of announcing that Shabab Mustafa has joined the Wikimedia Chapters Association Council. This appointment makes a total of 23 members.[1] Shabab is a founding member of the Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter and currently serves on the Executive.[2] He is a veteran open source software advocate. Links 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh Thanks, Fae -- Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Shabab Mustafa of WMBD joins the WCA Council
Congrtz Shabab Mustafa.. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Wikimedians, I have the pleasure of announcing that Shabab Mustafa has joined the Wikimedia Chapters Association Council. This appointment makes a total of 23 members.[1] Shabab is a founding member of the Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter and currently serves on the Executive.[2] He is a veteran open source software advocate. Links 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh Thanks, Fae -- Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* (নুরুন্নবী চৌধুরী হাছিব) Facebook Fan Page: NCH http://www.facebook.com/itsNCH Auto-confirmed, Reviewer Roll backer Editor: nhasive http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Nhasive FB http://www.facebook.com/nhasive :: Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/nhasive:: Skype: nhasive http://www.nhasive.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Shabab Mustafa of WMBD joins the WCA Council
Shabab Mustafa and WMBD, welcome on board! Am 07.03.2013 13:44, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive: Congrtz Shabab Mustafa.. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Wikimedians, I have the pleasure of announcing that Shabab Mustafa has joined the Wikimedia Chapters Association Council. This appointment makes a total of 23 members.[1] Shabab is a founding member of the Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter and currently serves on the Executive.[2] He is a veteran open source software advocate. Links 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh Thanks, Fae -- Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE) Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? because a) there is no such policy So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December 2012? [WMF compensation is] below some companies that are similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and that's understood by folks who make it through the process. -- http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement and http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=19657oldid=19653 please, so we can see exactly what it says? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement and http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=19657oldid=19653 please, so we can see exactly what it says? At least in the U.S., per the National Labor Relations Act, employees are always allowed to discuss wages without fear of reprisal from their employers. So even if such a clause were to exist prohibiting such discussion, it would have no legal effect. -Madman/ea ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Longest living hoax?
Andy Mabbett, 05/03/2013 21:08: On 5 March 2013 17:21, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see the deleted article, but I bet it was basically orphaned What were its page view stats? (I'm mobile. So can't easily check) I only checked a random month, but something like 150-200 per month it seems. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
While a number of my friends are employed by WMF and I heard no one to complain about salary or working conditions, it would be good to have annual report of salaries and other benefits of WMF employees compared to the siruation in the other similar and some not so similar organizations. I can guess what are the advantages and disadvantages of being employed by WMF, but it would be good not to speculate. On Mar 7, 2013 12:59 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi james, (renamed thread to not distract from NDA discussion) Your concerns have been noted, several times. But I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? because a) there is no such policy. There are several areas where WMF pays market salary or more. Please don't create a myth. I have talked to our recruiters and they confirm this. Stating it as fact does not help your case or your credibility. In my experience WMF compensation and other benefits is well thought about and choices have been made (you might not agree with their outcome but they are being made, they don't happen to us) b) you could argue that any salary level discriminates against people who need more. Just because I chose to have three kids (who will hopefully end up going to college if they want to do so) and choose to live where I want to live does not mean someone who offers me a salary which is unable to support my choices is discriminating against me… I live by the choices I make… Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical in the WMF sense… as I find the idea of any substantial discussion amongst WMF employees being restrained by a document unrealistic. I am grateful that we have enough critical employees who are willing to voice their opinion on pretty much everything. While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I think that its time to stop spreading a myth. If you do insist on tackling the issue, please base yourself on facts and not small sets of data an generalisations. I don't have all the fact either, but I know enough to know that your generalising statements are incorrect, so please stop making them. Jan-Bart On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:51 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know more about the non-disparagement clause which multiple people have stated that the Foundation's NDA includes. In particular, does it forbid employees from discussing the fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? Does it forbid employees from discussing the fact that the only evidence ever produced by Foundation employees in support of that policy is a non-peer reviewed popular press book which is not only contradicted by all of the recent secondary sources on the subject, but the interpretation of which is contradicted by the author of the book himself? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Hi Jan,
Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the
educational leaders are doing it).
cheers,
Balázs
2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de
Hi Balázs,
of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no
volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate
a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about things
really work. And apart from that, we searched for a very really central
city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
Best, Jan
2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
don't
you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
Balazs
2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de
Hi all,
a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable
date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass
around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
certain points of interest or comments in advance.
Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people
who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
Best wishes,
Jan
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Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
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Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes
digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die
Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
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www.wikimedia.de
Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales
Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition!
http://wikipedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Hi Balázs, There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also, preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's a clear preference for weekends). All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in Brussels. However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere? Best, Lodewijk 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Hi Jan, Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the educational leaders are doing it). cheers, Balázs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi Balázs, of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about things really work. And apart from that, we searched for a very really central city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels. Best, Jan 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why don't you integrate this into the schedule of that instead? Balazs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi all, a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add certain points of interest or comments in advance. Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow: http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5 Best wishes, Jan -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin http://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Such a meeting can be done over lunchtime any day or after the conference (which I guess would finish somewhere around lunch on Sunday so it can be on a weekend) or paralell to the schedule; there are plenty of options if you're interested in a solution. Cheers, Balázs 2013/3/7 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Hi Balázs, There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also, preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's a clear preference for weekends). All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in Brussels. However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere? Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Hi Lodewijk, I cannot answer the travel aid quesiton as there is no dedicated, central budget for this meeting. It's just volunteers and chapters deciding to join in, help or carry some of the cost. About signing up - I simply didn't think of it, as I know how to contact everyone who put their name on the Doodle, so I was just going to contact them directly. Anyway, now I have added a participants paragraph on the meta page where people can put add their name. Dimi ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] to publish an article in Wikimedia
Hi Shmuel, This is a list for discussions about Wikipedia. If you want to create your own article, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/3/6 Shmuel Shraga sshr...@gmail.com: Shmuel Shraga https://plus.google.com/u/0/107704840095212045420+otomycosis2:26 PMEdit http://www.pharmascholars.com/admin1/files/31036.pdf » otomycosis -- * * * **Best Regards, * *.Shraga Shmuel Ph.D.*** SHRAGA™ Griseofulvin Topical for Treatmen of *fungal skin diseases .Patent.8192750* *35 Yaacov-Yehoshuah st. 97550 Jerusalem,ISRAEL Home:972-2-585-3712 Fax:972-73-72-72-178 Mob : 972-52-8829-807 sshr...@gmail.com * *CLICK FOR ABSTRACT * http://www.pharmascholars.com/admin1/files/31036.pdf »http://www.pharmascholars.com/admin1/files/31036.pdf * * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
Nobody stops you of course to have a 'meeting over lunchtime' but I think the expectations by the organizers were set a little higher than that. Lodewijk (who has some experience with the 'success' of international Wikimedia over-lunchtime meetings) 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Such a meeting can be done over lunchtime any day or after the conference (which I guess would finish somewhere around lunch on Sunday so it can be on a weekend) or paralell to the schedule; there are plenty of options if you're interested in a solution. Cheers, Balázs 2013/3/7 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Hi Balázs, There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also, preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's a clear preference for weekends). All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in Brussels. However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere? Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
I agree with my dutch friend :) People going to the Wikimedia Conference are not especially overlapping with this one. Plus taking one day or two off is quite easy. Add a side meeting you need to take a week off. Lastly, having it 2 weeks before let's us formalize the report of the meeting and let's have us good material to talk about it, if needs be, in Milan. Christophe Envoye depuis mon Blackberry -Original Message- From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:42:32 To: Wikimedia Mailing Listwikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering Hi Balázs, There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also, preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's a clear preference for weekends). All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in Brussels. However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere? Best, Lodewijk 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Hi Jan, Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the educational leaders are doing it). cheers, Balázs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi Balázs, of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about things really work. And apart from that, we searched for a very really central city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels. Best, Jan 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why don't you integrate this into the schedule of that instead? Balazs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi all, a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add certain points of interest or comments in advance. Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow: http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5 Best wishes, Jan -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin http://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
great :) Please note that 'we don't know yet, check back later' is also a helpful addition to the page regarding travel budget :) Best, Lodewijk 2013/3/7 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimit...@gmail.com Hi Lodewijk, I cannot answer the travel aid quesiton as there is no dedicated, central budget for this meeting. It's just volunteers and chapters deciding to join in, help or carry some of the cost. About signing up - I simply didn't think of it, as I know how to contact everyone who put their name on the Doodle, so I was just going to contact them directly. Anyway, now I have added a participants paragraph on the meta page where people can put add their name. Dimi ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
I really don't get you, you wish to facilitate something that will affect about 20 chapters directly in the future (those situated within the EU) and you don't think it would overlap the Milan event? And no real need to talk about it there? Balazs 2013/3/7 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com I agree with my dutch friend :) People going to the Wikimedia Conference are not especially overlapping with this one. Plus taking one day or two off is quite easy. Add a side meeting you need to take a week off. Lastly, having it 2 weeks before let's us formalize the report of the meeting and let's have us good material to talk about it, if needs be, in Milan. Christophe Envoye depuis mon Blackberry -Original Message- From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:42:32 To: Wikimedia Mailing Listwikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering Hi Balázs, There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also, preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's a clear preference for weekends). All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in Brussels. However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere? Best, Lodewijk 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Hi Jan, Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the educational leaders are doing it). cheers, Balázs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi Balázs, of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about things really work. And apart from that, we searched for a very really central city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels. Best, Jan 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why don't you integrate this into the schedule of that instead? Balazs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi all, a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add certain points of interest or comments in advance. Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow: http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5 Best wishes, Jan -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin http://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
On 7 March 2013 17:02, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu wrote: I really don't get you, you wish to facilitate something that will affect about 20 chapters directly in the future (those situated within the EU) and you don't think it would overlap the Milan event? And no real need to talk about it there? Balazs Sorry, english is not my mother tongue, I might have not been clear :) I'll try to say it differently. To me the Brussels meeting is a technical meeting, meaning you need to have participant that have, somewhat, some knowledge of EU policy design, lobbying, etc. The goal of the meeting is to draft out how we could work toward, at least, stay aware of the on-going discussion that could impact our mission and at best influence it. The participants of this meeting are not always board members of their chapters, hence they wouldn't be present in Milan. This is why I say, participant wise, the overlapping is not really obvious. But, as I said, it is really good that the Brussels meeting happens *before* Milan, that way chapter representatives will be able to talk about it if they want to. I topped that with the fact that a technical meeting about EU policy needs a lot of time, more than lunch, to draft out how we could do it. If you add a 2 days meeting before Milan, it means that some people will have to take the whole week off instead of just 1 or 2 days. I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I meant, and I hope that email is clearer :) Best, -- Christophe 2013/3/7 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com I agree with my dutch friend :) People going to the Wikimedia Conference are not especially overlapping with this one. Plus taking one day or two off is quite easy. Add a side meeting you need to take a week off. Lastly, having it 2 weeks before let's us formalize the report of the meeting and let's have us good material to talk about it, if needs be, in Milan. Christophe Envoye depuis mon Blackberry -Original Message- From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:42:32 To: Wikimedia Mailing Listwikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering Hi Balázs, There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also, preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's a clear preference for weekends). All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in Brussels. However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere? Best, Lodewijk 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Hi Jan, Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the educational leaders are doing it). cheers, Balázs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi Balázs, of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about things really work. And apart from that, we searched for a very really central city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels. Best, Jan 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why don't you integrate this into the schedule of that instead? Balazs 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi all, a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add certain points of interest or comments in advance. Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow: http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5 Best wishes, Jan -- Jan Engelmann Leiter Politik Gesellschaft - Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
No one is force to, or have a right to work for the WMF. Like any other organisation, for-profit or otherwise, an organisation determines what it can affords and wants to pay for a position. Similarly, a potential employee gets to decides whether the proposed compensation is acceptable to them based on their experience, what the job would be, and their personal circumstance. So, what's the problem? KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
The funny thing about all of this is that it seems to be non-employees who are very concerned about these things and no employees are actually whistle blowing or commenting. I think that says something about how truly non-problematic this is. And I'm sure if employees did have some problems, this mailing list and the participants would probably be the last place they'd take it. Sarah Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: No one is force to, or have a right to work for the WMF. Like any other organisation, for-profit or otherwise, an organisation determines what it can affords and wants to pay for a position. Similarly, a potential employee gets to decides whether the proposed compensation is acceptable to them based on their experience, what the job would be, and their personal circumstance. So, what's the problem? KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
In fact, not one single non-anonymous person has ever said anything different than what Marc just posted (as far as I know). James Salsman is alone in his crusade; the people he believes he is fighting for evidently don't desire his help. My suspicion is that this all goes back to his attempt to convince the Foundation to pay administrators, and perhaps editors, for their efforts. In June he argued on this list about his survey, and accused Foundation employees of lying to him and others about the research policy. In October, he hinted that he had conducted an additional survey that revealed a substantial proportion of Wikipedia administrators are living in poverty; while he refused to reveal this data or how he conducted his survey until some undefined legal issues are resolved, he used it to protest the decision of the FDC to not permit funding to individual editors. Between that time and the end of the year, in addition to asking the Foundation to advise the Secretary of Defense to invalidate patents, James Salsman accused Foundation employees of lying to the public and to the Board about fundraising and proposed a resolution of the Board that would restore funding to various programs that, in some cases, result in salaries to some editors. Again in February he raised the issue of providing compensation to impoverished long-term contributors, Wikinews contributors and professional fact-checkers. On his linked mission to pay editors and improve the pay of junior Foundation staff, James is virtually alone. In the 8 or so months that he has been posting to Wikimedia mailing lists, rarely if ever has anyone expressed support for either effort. And yet he is not deterred. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] to publish an article in Wikimedia
Hi, Shmuel! As Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia written by its readers, the subjects for our articles are generally chosen by the editing community rather than by request. There is a venue where you can request articles at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:REQ, or if you wish to write your own, you can follow the Article Wizard at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WIZ Please note that Wikipedia is not a business or web directory. For more information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTDIR and our notability requirements at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CORP, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WEB or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MUSIC. You should also be aware that the Wikipedia community strongly discourages articles written by individuals close to a subject because of the difficulty in writing objectively about your organization, yourself, your family, or your work, in line with Wikipedia's conflict of interest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:COI and autobiography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AUTO rules. If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask at our teahouse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions Matthew Bowker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthewrbowker On Mar 6, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Shmuel Shraga sshr...@gmail.com wrote: Shmuel Shraga https://plus.google.com/u/0/107704840095212045420+otomycosis2:26 PMEdit http://www.pharmascholars.com/admin1/files/31036.pdf » otomycosis -- * * * **Best Regards, * *.Shraga Shmuel Ph.D.*** SHRAGA™ Griseofulvin Topical for Treatmen of *fungal skin diseases .Patent.8192750* *35 Yaacov-Yehoshuah st. 97550 Jerusalem,ISRAEL Home:972-2-585-3712 Fax:972-73-72-72-178 Mob : 972-52-8829-807 sshr...@gmail.com * *CLICK FOR ABSTRACT * http://www.pharmascholars.com/admin1/files/31036.pdf »http://www.pharmascholars.com/admin1/files/31036.pdf * * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF February 2013 Metrics and Activities Meeting: Thursday, March 7, 19:00 UTC
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities will take place on Thursday, March 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. The current structure of the meeting is: * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also specialized reports and analytics* Review of financials* Welcoming recent hires* Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest priority initiatives* Update and QA with the Executive Director, if available Please review https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for further information about how to participate. We'll post IRC logs and the video recording publicly after the meeting. Thank you, Praveena -- Praveena Maharaj Executive Assistant to the VP of Engineering and Product Development +1 (415) 839 6885 ext. 6689 www.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Please join the community review of 4 FDC funding requests!
Greetings, Wikimedia community, It is my pleasure to share with you that the Funds Dissemination Committee has received four proposals in Round 2 of funding from entities seeking funds for their annual plans. An additional proposal was withdrawn. These four proposals from Wikimedia Czech Republic, France, Hong Kong, and Norway request a total of over $1.2 million USD: WM Czech Republic: $14,084.50 WM France: $747,259 WM Hong Kong: $211,916.67 WM Norway: $235,715 We need your help in reviewing the proposals in order to consider the potential impact of movement funds. To this end, we have launched the community review period to help the FDC strategically allocate Wikimedia movements funds. We invite you, members of the Wikimedia community, to review the proposals and provide thoughts and ask questions. [1] The community review period is open until March 31. A bit more about the community review period: the FDC proposal submission deadline (March 1) is followed by a 30-day open comment period when community members are invited to provide input on and ask questions about each proposal. During this period, fund-seeking entities (that is, those that submitted proposals) are requested to respond to questions about their proposals on the proposal discussion pages. All community input and entity responses are submitted as part of each proposal package to the FDC. While the community may comment on proposals after the open comment period closes on March 31, the FDC may not be able to take comments made after this period into consideration. After this, on April 8, the FDC staff will share their assessments of the proposals, which will take into account the community input. On May 1, the FDC announces its recommendations to the WMF Board, and on June 1, the Board will make decisions about funding allocations. To join the community review for Round 2 proposals, please visit the FDC proposal page [1], which links to all current proposals and their discussion pages. You can review the proposal by opening the proposal form for each entity, and submit questions or comments on the proposal discussion pages. While the proposals are unfortunately only available in English, we hope that the longer period for review this round will help address this challenge. We hope that this community review period will bring an in-depth and robust review to each of the four proposals. The FDC seriously values the input and feedback of the Wikimedia community. Therefore, they ask for your comments and questions on these proposals. The community review process helps to ensure that this is a transparent and collaborative process. We look forward to hearing from you on the discussion pages of the four proposals! Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. The FDC support staff can be reached at fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org Warm regards, Katy Love and the FDC support team [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals -- Katy Love Senior Program Officer, Funds Dissemination Committee Wikimedia Foundation ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 9 -- 04 March 2013
Op-ed: We must do more to turn readers into editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/Op-ed News and notes: Outing of editor causes firestorm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/News_and_notes WikiProject report: WikiProject Television Stations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/WikiProject_report Featured content: Slow week for featured content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/Featured_content Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF February 2013 Metrics and Activities Meeting: Thursday, March 7, 19:00 UTC
Photos from the meeting today: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vgrigas#Wikimedia_Foundation_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting_March_7.2C_2013 On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities will take place on Thursday, March 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. The current structure of the meeting is: * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also specialized reports and analytics* Review of financials* Welcoming recent hires* Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest priority initiatives* Update and QA with the Executive Director, if available Please review https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for further information about how to participate. We'll post IRC logs and the video recording publicly after the meeting. Thank you, Praveena -- Praveena Maharaj Executive Assistant to the VP of Engineering and Product Development +1 (415) 839 6885 ext. 6689 www.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0 Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor San Francisco, CA 94105 https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
Dear Jan-Bart, Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this world! Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or charity that absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in terms of value! Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and is not intended for business, so it is proper you should not expect yourself to be paid according to the salary standardization of benchmark government regulatory policy. For jobs that have a social purpose of humanity like this, we should not be so demanding, but we first have to love the job ought to give all of the skills and talents that we have for this foundation, believe that sooner or later will certainly all of the goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through His wonderful ways. May GOD Bless You Always! Best Regards, Claudius Erwin Mulialim Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng (CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia. - Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800 From: lc...@wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? because a) there is no such policy So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December 2012? [WMF compensation is] below some companies that are similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and that's understood by folks who make it through the process. -- http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about their salaries. Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill itself, you know! Leslie and http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=19657oldid=19653 please, so we can see exactly what it says? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Leslie Carr Wikimedia Foundation AS 14907, 43821 http://as14907.peeringdb.com/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish? Argue the idea, not the person. (And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where that came from). pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Erwin Mulialim erwin.mulia...@outlook.comwrote: Dear Jan-Bart, Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this world! Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or charity that absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in terms of value! Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and is not intended for business, so it is proper you should not expect yourself to be paid according to the salary standardization of benchmark government regulatory policy. For jobs that have a social purpose of humanity like this, we should not be so demanding, but we first have to love the job ought to give all of the skills and talents that we have for this foundation, believe that sooner or later will certainly all of the goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through His wonderful ways. May GOD Bless You Always! Best Regards, Claudius Erwin Mulialim Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng (CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia. - Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800 From: lc...@wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no FACT like the one that you mention. fact that the Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or a mortgage from 2007? because a) there is no such policy So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December 2012? [WMF compensation is] below some companies that are similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and that's understood by folks who make it through the process. -- http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost comical Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about their salaries. Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my right to fly first class everywhere. My champagne glass won't refill itself, you know! Leslie and http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=19657oldid=19653 please, so we can see exactly what it says? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Leslie Carr Wikimedia Foundation AS 14907, 43821 http://as14907.peeringdb.com/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Minutes from the February 1-2, 2013 Board Meeting
Hello everyone, The minutes of the WMF Board Meeting on February 1-2, 2013 have been ratified and published here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2013-02-01 The meeting's agenda included: * Housekeeping ** Amendment to the Affiliations Committee Charter ** Pledge of Personal Commitment ** Managing Duty of Loyalty ** Governance Committee report * Presentation on 2012-13 Year-to-Date and Planning for 2013-14 * Legal presentation * Term limits * Feedback on 2012-13 year-to-Date and Planning for 2013-14 * Update on the search for a new Trustee candidate * The Affiliations Committee and the Chapters Association * Advisory Board * Comments from Doron Weber * Letter to the Chapters Association * Executive session -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
