Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] People of stature unhappy with own articles
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: WhereDevilsDare, As Bala pointed out, pages have to be neutral. Example:Look at any Politician's page, it's always Pro-them, rarely is it balanced. We need to have things neutral. If these guys get to decide what goes on their page, it'll be a Conflict of Interest. +1 Even a simple controversy against a person, if added, shouldn't be removed. This is true, but it does not mean that unproven allegations form part of acceptable content, I think. If a person is accused, for instance, in court, that charge may be mentioned, but not giving the impression the charge is proven. Citations will be very important in such situations. Since only a handful of courts in India have gone online, it may be difficult to assert charges filed in some courts. Regards, On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: Yes there is. direct them to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOPROB#Problems_in_an_article_about_you But they shouldn't be expecting wikipedia to do a whitewashing / PR fluff job on it. Sometimes, if they are actually trying to remove negative material about them (and there is a ton of it in RS) it leads to a backlash and more gets added to the article. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striesand_effect) On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Hiya, Me and a couple of others have been contacted by a couple of people of stature having Wikipedia articles about themselves recently about the articles having derogatory and inaccurate information about them. Is there any procedure set which such people can follow to have an admin look into their page? Kind Regards, ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Telugu
Dear All, As part of the India Programs of WMFhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages I am having discussions with wikipedians across various Indic languages. I already shared the summary of the discussions I had with the Assamesehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Assamese/Discussions/2011 , Hindihttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Hindi/Discussions/2011, Sanskrithttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Sanskrit/Discussions/2011 and Tamilhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Tamil/Discussions/2011wikimedians. Thank you all for continuing the discussions in meta wiki and in mailing lists. Today I am sharing the summary of the discussions I had with Telugu wiki community members. It is available here. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Telugu/Discussions/2011 Among Indian language wikipedias, Telugu wikipedia is the first Indian language wikipedia that caught the attention of other Indic language wikipedians in 2006 itself. I remember reading about Telugu Wikipedia and the activities of Telugu wikipedians in many online forums during 2006-2007. Following are some of the blogposts published that time. - http://telugutanam.blogspot.com/2006/09/telugu-wikipedia-crosses-1.html(News about Telugu wikipedia crossing 10,000 articles - 2006 September) - http://crossroads.veeven.com/2007/06/26/telugu-wikipedia-reaches-3-articles/(News about Telugu wikipedia crossing 30,000 articles - 2007 June) - http://crossroads.veeven.com/2007/09/10/3000-members-in-telugu-wikipedia/(News about Telugu Wikipedia having 3000 registered users - 2007 September) In technical front also Telugu wikipedia was showing the way for other Indic language wikipedias. Telugu wikipedia is one of the first Indic language wikipedia to integrate a typing solution into wikipedia. Even though much activism happened during 2006-2008, the community was not able to keep that tempo and increase the community size. Also among Indian language wiki communities, the concept of *Community Newsletter http://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/వికీపీడియా:తెవికీ_వార్* came out first from the Telugu wiki community. Community already published 5 or 6 editions of Telugu wiki Newsletter. Remember still no other Indic language wiki community has a community newsletter. Soon Telugu wikipedia will cross 50,000 articles, the third Indic language wikipedia to cross that milestone. l Hope Telugu wikipedians will make use of that opportunity to add more members to its community. Telugu wikipedia has roughly 30 active editors now. Regards Shiju ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible. What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that the students have added on Wikipedia? The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available. How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once? Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Assuming this question is not restricted for WMF outreachers only: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? It is quite possible that many students get conditioned to look at school assignments as 'work', and either try and avoid doing any work outside of the amount specifically committed, or avoid doing anything considered as work outside of the time allotted for 'work'. As a corollary, although I do not fancy that Wikimedia is attempting to directly change the way that our education system works in practice, students who treat contributing to Wikipedia/Wikimedia as 'fun' may be better tuned to handling life tasks better/more responsibly in the future. Lots of imponderables, I know, but there must be something measurable between students who emerge from school having learned something (and continue to learn happily) and those who only get through examinations. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible. What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that the students have added on Wikipedia? The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available. How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once? Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Dear Nitika: I'm most glad this is being done and being shared. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) A lot of this should be possible via the API - maybe Jace can show us how we can do it programatically. Do please share your thoughts and suggestions on the above. Please also do let me know if I've missed out anything. I'd be curious in looking at the copyvio stuff in greater detail but I do not know if that adds any value to your research. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 17:33, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Actually not. And that's the main reason why we had to pull down the Leaderboard (tool that shows bytes of data that has been added by a student on Wikipedia) as well. The Leaderboard accounted for all the edits that a student would make either on the talk page or on the article space. Also, if a students work has been reverted on the article, the leaderborad did not account that. Ideally the total amount of data that a student has added should exclude amount of data added on talk pages, should exclude data that is no more existing on wikipedia and has been reverted. All this data is not easily accessible. For me the above data can be classified as Number of bytes added and the sole purpose of it can be to have projections to increase storage if the program is to expand, am sure wmf ops is otherwise too good at improving infra and this would serve no purpose. I would call these as fake numbers because a rollbacker's number would be huge negative number, but I would assume everyone here agrees rollbacker does positive edits. There is no point in having this numeric data since one cannot infer anything irrespective of the number. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Dear Bala, I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well. Please don't mind, it's not personal. Thanks, Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible. What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that the students have added on Wikipedia? The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available. How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once? Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Ram, Whatever the tone of the email, the questions Bala has raised are very pertinent IMHO and should be made part of the research. We have a common goal of seeing the IEP fly high and benefit the movement. It is a pitiful sight to see bright talented campus ambassadors and seasoned well-respected editors go back and forth like this. Lets not engage in personalities and focus on the end result. Kind Regards, From: ramshankarya...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:07:36 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis Dear Bala,I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well. Please don't mind, it's not personal. Thanks,Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible. What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that the students have added on Wikipedia? The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available. How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once? Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Ram, The points i raised need to be asked and they are missing and i am raising them. This isnt about negative/positive tone. Any project that causes a three month long clean up effort involving hundreds of regular editors needs to document how much time and effort it is costing and what is its impact on the regular functioning of the project. Without that there is no real learning, especially when the program execs are seeking to repeat it. - Bala On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav ramshankarya...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Bala, I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well. Please don't mind, it's not personal. Thanks, Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible. What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that the students have added on Wikipedia? The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available. How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once? Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] *offlist* RE: IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
*offlist* I know Bala could have used a better tone, however he has raised some very good points. Lets stay focused on this and not convert it into another flame war like the previous IEP thread. I know you guys have been working hard and that this hurts. However, on the other side of the river, people like Bala are having to face a lot of shit online, hence he is loosing his patience. Lets hope that this research takes your points and his points into consideration and there is a way worked out. From: ramshankarya...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:07:36 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis Dear Bala,I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well. Please don't mind, it's not personal. Thanks,Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have. If it is possible. What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that the students have added on Wikipedia? The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be somewhat trivially available. How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to ask - why would you want to track this ? How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students corrected their errors after these warnings? How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than once? Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial nature of the questions look that way. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] People of stature unhappy with own articles
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: Yes there is. direct them to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOPROB#Problems_in_an_article_about_you But they shouldn't be expecting wikipedia to do a whitewashing / PR fluff job on it. Totally agree with you, Bala. I've been cc-d on a couple of these emails and unfortunately, people who are famous in their fields, do seem to feel they are above examination. The attitude that sometimes comes across is this: How dare anyone write negatively about me! (Regardless of the facts of the situ). So if we whitewash negative information in these situations, knowledge and neutrality are the first casualties. Best Bishakha ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought
hi, The recent release of the film Dam 999 made me want to read up on the Mullaperiyar Dam in Kerala around which this film is shot and there are contrarian claims as to whether the film is about this dam or not. However, the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullaperiyar_Dam - seems to have become a venue for both sides of the controversy to raise their points. I have created a section on the talk page aimed at improving the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mullaperiyar_Dam#Improving_Mullaperiyar_Dam_article_-_collaboration_welcome. Request help from English language Wikipedians to improve this article. Thanks in advance, warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas User:Prad2609 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought
Pradeep, A very thoughtful idea. I noticed that you nominated it for a COTM. However, I also feel that the Malayalam and tamil articles ALSO need some attention. -Re, Srikanth Rsrikanth05. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: hi, The recent release of the film Dam 999 made me want to read up on the Mullaperiyar Dam in Kerala around which this film is shot and there are contrarian claims as to whether the film is about this dam or not. However, the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullaperiyar_Dam - seems to have become a venue for both sides of the controversy to raise their points. I have created a section on the talk page aimed at improving the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mullaperiyar_Dam#Improving_Mullaperiyar_Dam_article_-_collaboration_welcome. Request help from English language Wikipedians to improve this article. Thanks in advance, warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas User:Prad2609 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting the evaluative study? As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study? It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable and experienced members of the community to focus on the outside perspective. I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was, you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the US. They don't scale and you need local solutions. I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the Education program would make this process any different from the pattern that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all. Either way, Good Luck. Regards Theo On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav ramshankarya...@gmail.com wrote: Great suggestion Srikanth! I totally agree with you on quality, staging and motivation aspects. Cheers, Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Apart from studying ourselves, It would also be interesting to do a case study of similar student participatory programs and take best practices and incorporate them. Google Summer of Code would be a classic example, though its a summer contract, but some of the aspects are worth comparing. 1. GSoC has a steep(okay relatively much higher) barrier to entry to attract the cream of students inturn the number of students would be significantly less. 2. Many students continue to contribute to the organization / open source in general beyond the contract 3. Strong staging process to cross the gates(merging the codeline happens mostly post final evaluation) ensures impact of the student does not affect the community. 4. Many communities are largely happy to participate in GSoC since they usually get contributors to the community. 5. Communication models that exist in the program, typically there would be hardly anyone from the city / country for that matter to mentor. The communication happens online inspite of timezone differences. 6. GSoC gives a huge money as motivation, but most students join the program for reasons beyond money though they swipe the cards :D There are few students on this list who took the same program with WMF, they could share some insights too! Regards, Srikanth L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On 28-Nov-2011, at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: A supplimentary question: Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? 4 out these 5 have been/will be interviewed. Nitika ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On 28-Nov-2011, at 6:22 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav wrote: All of us are truly committed to do that and I would love to see few points like - How we can better engage the community? - How many students are still editing Wikipeida, out of their course requirement? - How we can encourage newbies instead of blocking and scolding them, how to make it a fun place? Great points Ram. We should definitely look at these. Nitika ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On 28-Nov-2011, at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project. 4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP 5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP 6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload. 7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. Agreed Bala - it is important to analyse the effort that has been put in reviewing all the articles that the students have written. I'll forward this list to Tory and request her to address these questions during her interviews with admins, editors et all. Thanks Nitika ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikipedia-OR] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)
Thanks a lot Shiju for the summary, would you like to keep the same content in OR WP as well, so new users who are not familiar with meta also can read them? And we all are looking forward to having one more session with you, based on my learning I want to share few things on which we will work forward. I think new year is approaching and it's time to set a milestone for 2000 article by new year! Cheers Subha On 29 November 2011 11:54, Shiju Alex sh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear All, Today I am sharing you the summary of discussions I had with Odia wiki ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) community. It is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 Odia is a shining example of how a wiki project can be revived and build a community around it, if few wonderful users with a vision for building free knowledge in their mother language arrive in their mother language wiki. Odia wikipedia was started in 2002. In fact it is one of the first Indic language wikipedia. Nothing much had happened in Odia wiki till 2010 December. But the progress made by Odia wiki project ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) during the past one year is note worthy and it is an example that can be replicated in some of the inactive Indic language wikipedias. Odia was having just 600 articles (which were created over the past 8 years) and no active users at the start of this year. Now 10 months later, it has close to 1600 articles and 10 active users. The online and offline outreach initiatives took by Odia wiki community for building the community is showing positive result. I was actively involved in the community building for Odia wikipedia. I still remember the day (2011 January 15) when I introducted Odia wikipedia and Odia tying tool (developed by Junaid) to an Odia speaker (Ashuthosh Kar) during Wiki X celebration at Bangalore. Through him very soon we got a wonderful wikipedian (Subhashish) who is leading the efforts for Odia wiki now. Initially Subhasish and I used to meet at my home and work on the basic things for Odia wiki. I remember us working on the Odia wikipedia logo, FAQ booklet, Translate wiki, and so on. Soon Odia got more members to the team through the few Odia wiki workshops happened at Bangalore. Along with workshops, Odia wikipedians translated the FAQ booklet to Odia and took efforts to integrate the Odia typing solution to Odia wikipedia. Later with the support of Dhanada Mishra (the chairman of Human Development Foundation (http://www.hdf.org.in/)) and a young student Odia wikipedian Srikanth Kedia a wiki workshop is conducted at Bhubaneshwar. Odia wikipedians from Bangalore are doing an excellent job and now many of them are participating in Wikimedia India chapter activities also. Odia wiki community is effectively making use of various social networking sites to reach out to Odia speakers. Odia wiki project picked up not because Odia has got huge speaker base, high literacy among Odia speakers, access to computers, or any thing else; it become active only because it has receieved the right volunteers who have passion and vision of developing a wikipedia in their mother language. We need similar volunteers for each Indic language wikipedia. Requesting you to place your comments on the talk pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 . Regards Shiju ___ Wikipedia-OR mailing list wikipedia...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or -- * ସୁ ଭା ସି ସ ପା ଣି ଗା ହି ** S u b h a s i s a P a n i g a h i ** ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ ___ Wikipedia Odia (Oriya) mailing list wikipedia...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or facebook.com/OdiaWiki Tweet @OdiaWiki * ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikipedia-OR] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)
would you like to keep the same content in OR WP as well, so new users who are not familiar with meta also can read them? Of course. Please feel free to reuse the content and share it with all who are not familiar with meta. And we all are looking forward to having one more session with you, based on my learning I want to share few things on which we will work forward. Sure. We shall schedule another meeting. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot Shiju for the summary, would you like to keep the same content in OR WP as well, so new users who are not familiar with meta also can read them? And we all are looking forward to having one more session with you, based on my learning I want to share few things on which we will work forward. I think new year is approaching and it's time to set a milestone for 2000 article by new year! Cheers Subha On 29 November 2011 11:54, Shiju Alex sh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear All, Today I am sharing you the summary of discussions I had with Odia wiki ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) community. It is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 Odia is a shining example of how a wiki project can be revived and build a community around it, if few wonderful users with a vision for building free knowledge in their mother language arrive in their mother language wiki. Odia wikipedia was started in 2002. In fact it is one of the first Indic language wikipedia. Nothing much had happened in Odia wiki till 2010 December. But the progress made by Odia wiki project ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) during the past one year is note worthy and it is an example that can be replicated in some of the inactive Indic language wikipedias. Odia was having just 600 articles (which were created over the past 8 years) and no active users at the start of this year. Now 10 months later, it has close to 1600 articles and 10 active users. The online and offline outreach initiatives took by Odia wiki community for building the community is showing positive result. I was actively involved in the community building for Odia wikipedia. I still remember the day (2011 January 15) when I introducted Odia wikipedia and Odia tying tool (developed by Junaid) to an Odia speaker (Ashuthosh Kar) during Wiki X celebration at Bangalore. Through him very soon we got a wonderful wikipedian (Subhashish) who is leading the efforts for Odia wiki now. Initially Subhasish and I used to meet at my home and work on the basic things for Odia wiki. I remember us working on the Odia wikipedia logo, FAQ booklet, Translate wiki, and so on. Soon Odia got more members to the team through the few Odia wiki workshops happened at Bangalore. Along with workshops, Odia wikipedians translated the FAQ booklet to Odia and took efforts to integrate the Odia typing solution to Odia wikipedia. Later with the support of Dhanada Mishra (the chairman of Human Development Foundation (http://www.hdf.org.in/)) and a young student Odia wikipedian Srikanth Kedia a wiki workshop is conducted at Bhubaneshwar. Odia wikipedians from Bangalore are doing an excellent job and now many of them are participating in Wikimedia India chapter activities also. Odia wiki community is effectively making use of various social networking sites to reach out to Odia speakers. Odia wiki project picked up not because Odia has got huge speaker base, high literacy among Odia speakers, access to computers, or any thing else; it become active only because it has receieved the right volunteers who have passion and vision of developing a wikipedia in their mother language. We need similar volunteers for each Indic language wikipedia. Requesting you to place your comments on the talk pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 . Regards Shiju ___ Wikipedia-OR mailing list wikipedia...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or -- * ସୁ ଭା ସି ସ ପା ଣି ଗା ହି ** S u b h a s i s a P a n i g a h i ** ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ ___ Wikipedia Odia (Oriya) mailing list wikipedia...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or facebook.com/OdiaWiki Tweet @OdiaWiki * ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
Naveen, I believe INCOTM is happening after two and a half years. Remember Transport in India ??? To everyone else, this is an excellent opportunity to start and get a good section of high quality India articles. This has been VERY successful in the past, as I have PERSONALLY seen. I once nominated Transport in India, and a month later, three of us managed to get it upto a GA level. --Regards, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: +1, After a long time. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider nominatinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominationsarticles for Collaboration of the Month (COTM). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominations Upto 5 articles can be selected for the COTM so plenty of scope available for nomination of the month. It is proposed to close nominations on 30 November 2011 and selections for month of December 2011 made from whatever we have. As of now, two are promising candidates - Mullaperiyar dam and Manmohan Singh. So dont be shy, be bold, nominate an article. Your favourite article could get a new lease of life from collaboration. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
