Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!

2014-08-29 Thread Ashwin Baindur
The community deserves an explanation as to why the somnolence of recent
months and a sudden unexplained resignation. You may have resigned but its
definitely your  Moksh's responsibility to actively cooperate and hand
over the baton which you did not carry to the finish line.


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 FYI. From the members list, I understand that Pranav has also quit from
 the Executive Committee of the Chapter.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 *Date:* 27 August 2014 20:06:29 IST
 *To:* Wikimedia Members List wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!*
 *Reply-To:* wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com

 FYI

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM
 Subject: That's all folks!
 To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org


 To,
 Executive Committee
 Wikimedia India

 I hereby resign from my position as member of the Executive Committee at
 Wikimedia India Chapter with immediate effect. Kindly take note.

 Kind Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] My resignation as President and EC member of Wikimedia India chapter

2014-08-29 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Sorry to hear that, Moksh. Please ensure a smooth transition to whomever is
to take up the reins of this organisation. Wishing you all the very best in
your private and professional life!


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Thanks for your work toward our shared mission.  Enjoy the precious time
 with the little one. :)

 A.
 On Aug 27, 2014 7:34 AM, Moksh Juneja mo...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 Dear all,

 It's with a heavy heart that I would like to announce my resignation from
 as the President and Executive Committee of the Wikimedia India Chapter
 with immediate effect. With this, my respect for all of your contributions
 to the Movement has only increased, knowing about all the sweat and blood
 that goes into the creation of the community that defines the Movement as
 we know it, today.

 The reasons for my silence on the public list are for the same reasons
 that I am quitting today. They are personal. As a Person grows, the
 responsibility also grows and a point comes where the personal becomes more
 important than the public.

 I've had a hard time balancing work, life and my interests. In the
 balancing act, it is my family that has missed out the most, especially now
 that I have become a father of a 3 month old girl. The demands on me have
 grown and I find that I can no longer contribute usefully to the Movement
 or that someone else can do more justice to the role.

 I thank you all for your love, help and support. I hope to keep
 contributing to the Movement when I can.

 --
 Moksh Juneja
 Wikimedia India

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!

2014-08-29 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
Hi Ashwin,

 The EC is made of 7 members. Why is the resignation of 2 members of 7 causing 
such an issue? There are 5 other elected members on the EC who I am sure are 
equally adept at carrying this forward. 

While they have resigned from the post officially, I am sure they can help out 
where they can. 

I replied since you seem to be referring to me in your email. 

Warm regards,
Pradeep 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 29-Aug-2014, at 18:07, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The community deserves an explanation as to why the somnolence of recent 
 months and a sudden unexplained resignation. You may have resigned but its 
 definitely your  Moksh's responsibility to actively cooperate and hand over 
 the baton which you did not carry to the finish line.
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
 FYI. From the members list, I understand that Pranav has also quit from the 
 Executive Committee of the Chapter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: 27 August 2014 20:06:29 IST
 To: Wikimedia Members List wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!
 Reply-To: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com
 
 FYI
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM
 Subject: That's all folks!
 To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org
 
 
 To,
 Executive Committee
 Wikimedia India
 
 I hereby resign from my position as member of the Executive Committee at 
 Wikimedia India Chapter with immediate effect. Kindly take note. 
 
 Kind Regards,
 Pranav Curumsey
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimedia India Chapter affairs

2014-08-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
If I may add, current EC should stop making any major decisions like
hiring people.
Just focus on the regulatory matters and the pending deadlines like FDC etc.

-Sudhanwa

On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Jayanta,


 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Jayanta Nath jaya...@wikimedia.in wrote:
 As you may be aware, two members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
 Chapter India have submitted their resignations with immediate effect.
 However, there has been not any internal action or response or a call notice
 for an urgent Teleconference for further discussion on possible actions from
 the remaining office bearers namely the Secretary and Treasurer.

 There is hardly any activity by EC in the last few months. Being EC
 member, you may be knowing this better and the reasons for it.

 At least I am not expecting anything to happen  from the secretary or
 treasurer. As an EC member, you can take up initiative.


 Wikimedia India Chapter is going through a critical phase with several
 important and crucial decisions and deadlines pending. The surprising
 resignations from two board members at this juncture has made this a complex
 affair. We have very important timelines and deadlines to be complied with,
 in the coming few days.

 The timelines and deadlines are known to EC for quite some time. Why
 no action has been taken so far?


 Due to the above critical situation, a resolution has been put forth within
 the official Internal Wiki (board members' wiki) on whether to accept or
 reject the resignations.

 One of us from the EC will be informing you of the decision output of this
 resolution duly.

 Nothing much can be done about resignations. Moksh has some good
 reasons to quit. Pranav's resignation is a joke. In any case, he was
 going to be out of EC after the elections that are supposed to happen
 in just a few weeks. As such, his resignation does not make any sense.
 Probably, just an excuse to get away from the accountability and
 responsibilities.

 In any case, the current EC has the responsibility to face the members
 and give them a complete and clear picture.

 Regards
 -Sudhanwa


 This is for your general information.

 Regards,
 Jayanta Nath
 EC Member
 Wikimedia India

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] My resignation as President and EC member of Wikimedia India chapter

2014-08-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Ashwin Baindur
ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry to hear that, Moksh. Please ensure a smooth transition to whomever is
 to take up the reins of this organisation. Wishing you all the very best in
 your private and professional life!

+1

I hope Moksh will not leave without closing the pending things
mentioned by Jayanta and he continues till the time a new EC takes
over.

Regards
-Sudhanwa




 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Thanks for your work toward our shared mission.  Enjoy the precious time
 with the little one. :)

 A.

 On Aug 27, 2014 7:34 AM, Moksh Juneja mo...@wikimedia.in wrote:

 Dear all,

 It's with a heavy heart that I would like to announce my resignation from
 as the President and Executive Committee of the Wikimedia India Chapter with
 immediate effect. With this, my respect for all of your contributions to the
 Movement has only increased, knowing about all the sweat and blood that goes
 into the creation of the community that defines the Movement as we know it,
 today.

 The reasons for my silence on the public list are for the same reasons
 that I am quitting today. They are personal. As a Person grows, the
 responsibility also grows and a point comes where the personal becomes more
 important than the public.

 I've had a hard time balancing work, life and my interests. In the
 balancing act, it is my family that has missed out the most, especially now
 that I have become a father of a 3 month old girl. The demands on me have
 grown and I find that I can no longer contribute usefully to the Movement or
 that someone else can do more justice to the role.

 I thank you all for your love, help and support. I hope to keep
 contributing to the Movement when I can.

 --
 Moksh Juneja
 Wikimedia India

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!

2014-08-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur
ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 The community deserves an explanation as to why the somnolence of recent
 months and a sudden unexplained resignation. You may have resigned but its
 definitely your  Moksh's responsibility to actively cooperate and hand over
 the baton which you did not carry to the finish line.

+100

I have been asking queries to the EC for many months now and nobody
has shown a courtesy even to acknowledge my mails. Apart from
answering queries, the members deserve and explanation of not
responding too.

btw,
If Pradeep is confident of the other 5 people in the EC, may I request
him to followup with them to respond to the queries raised on the
lists.

-Sudhanwa





 On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Pradeep Mohandas
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 FYI. From the members list, I understand that Pranav has also quit from
 the Executive Committee of the Chapter.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: 27 August 2014 20:06:29 IST
 To: Wikimedia Members List wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!
 Reply-To: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com

 FYI

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM
 Subject: That's all folks!
 To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org


 To,
 Executive Committee
 Wikimedia India

 I hereby resign from my position as member of the Executive Committee at
 Wikimedia India Chapter with immediate effect. Kindly take note.

 Kind Regards,
 Pranav Curumsey

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!

2014-08-29 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi Sudhanwa,

You should know. You were once President of the Indian Chapter as
well. Sowmyan has replied to the mails today on the Members list.
Better late than never?

We can request people to respond to queries. There is not much we can
do if they don't except to convene an Extraordinary General Body
Meeting and request for the removal of the members of the Executive
Committee with a 2/3rd majority backing you. Those are limitations
placed on members by law. Fortunately or unfortunately.

Are you claiming that you do not have confidence in the members you
have elected to the Executive Committee?

I am sorry but *I* have better work editing and contributing to
Wikipedia than to follow up with your questions to the Executive
Committee. I find that contributing on-wiki is a more satisfying
experience than participating in conversations that seem to be loaded.
I know understand why many Wikipedians stay off this list and don't
want to come close to administration related work of the Chapter. They
are screwed if they take action and they're screwed if they're not.

This is the last you will hear from me on this topic on this list
since you insist on putting words in my mouth.

Thanks,

warm regards,
Pradeep

On 29 August 2014 23:47, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur
 ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 The community deserves an explanation as to why the somnolence of recent
 months and a sudden unexplained resignation. You may have resigned but its
 definitely your  Moksh's responsibility to actively cooperate and hand over
 the baton which you did not carry to the finish line.

 +100

 I have been asking queries to the EC for many months now and nobody
 has shown a courtesy even to acknowledge my mails. Apart from
 answering queries, the members deserve and explanation of not
 responding too.

 btw,
 If Pradeep is confident of the other 5 people in the EC, may I request
 him to followup with them to respond to the queries raised on the
 lists.

 -Sudhanwa





 On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Pradeep Mohandas
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 FYI. From the members list, I understand that Pranav has also quit from
 the Executive Committee of the Chapter.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: 27 August 2014 20:06:29 IST
 To: Wikimedia Members List wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!
 Reply-To: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com

 FYI

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM
 Subject: That's all folks!
 To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org


 To,
 Executive Committee
 Wikimedia India

 I hereby resign from my position as member of the Executive Committee at
 Wikimedia India Chapter with immediate effect. Kindly take note.

 Kind Regards,
 Pranav Curumsey

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!

2014-08-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
Hi,

On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi Sudhanwa,

 You should know. You were once President of the Indian Chapter as
 well. Sowmyan has replied to the mails today on the Members list.
 Better late than never?

What should I know?
Sowmyan has replied about the  membership. Even though it is
responding to one of my earlier mails (some 3 months old), that is
essentially a response to mail raising some points by Vishwa. In my
opinion, someone from EC should answer it and not Sowmyan.


 We can request people to respond to queries. There is not much we can
 do if they don't except to convene an Extraordinary General Body
 Meeting and request for the removal of the members of the Executive
 Committee with a 2/3rd majority backing you. Those are limitations
 placed on members by law. Fortunately or unfortunately.

I agree.


 Are you claiming that you do not have confidence in the members you
 have elected to the Executive Committee?

Considering the no resonse situation for months, two EC members
sending mails raising doubts in members mind and 2 EC members
including President resigning, frankly speaking, now I do not have any
confidence. I believe, it is the same case with most of the members.


 I am sorry but *I* have better work editing and contributing to
 Wikipedia than to follow up with your questions to the Executive
 Committee. I find that contributing on-wiki is a more satisfying
 experience than participating in conversations that seem to be loaded.
 I know understand why many Wikipedians stay off this list and don't
 want to come close to administration related work of the Chapter. They
 are screwed if they take action and they're screwed if they're not.

Wikipedia is a fair world. If you do good, you get appreciated. If you
do something bad, you get screwed. If you dont do anything for which
you are responsible and elected by people and blame others, you surely
get screwed.


 This is the last you will hear from me on this topic on this list
 since you insist on putting words in my mouth.

Your choice. Respected.
(I have seen many such responses from you in the past including
leaving the chapter, leaving mailing lists etc etc. This one is an
addition to it)

Regards
-Sudhanwa



 Thanks,

 warm regards,
 Pradeep

 On 29 August 2014 23:47, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur
 ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
 The community deserves an explanation as to why the somnolence of recent
 months and a sudden unexplained resignation. You may have resigned but its
 definitely your  Moksh's responsibility to actively cooperate and hand over
 the baton which you did not carry to the finish line.

 +100

 I have been asking queries to the EC for many months now and nobody
 has shown a courtesy even to acknowledge my mails. Apart from
 answering queries, the members deserve and explanation of not
 responding too.

 btw,
 If Pradeep is confident of the other 5 people in the EC, may I request
 him to followup with them to respond to the queries raised on the
 lists.

 -Sudhanwa





 On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Pradeep Mohandas
 pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 FYI. From the members list, I understand that Pranav has also quit from
 the Executive Committee of the Chapter.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: 27 August 2014 20:06:29 IST
 To: Wikimedia Members List wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [WMIN-Members] Fwd: That's all folks!
 Reply-To: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com

 FYI

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Pranav Curumsey pra...@wikimedia.in
 Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM
 Subject: That's all folks!
 To: Wikimedia India EC wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org


 To,
 Executive Committee
 Wikimedia India

 I hereby resign from my position as member of the Executive Committee at
 Wikimedia India Chapter with immediate effect. Kindly take note.

 Kind Regards,
 Pranav Curumsey

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter: Current state of affairs

2014-08-29 Thread Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Dear Wikimedia India Chapter members and other interested stakeholders in
the list,

As another EC member, let me assure you all that most of the remaining EC
members are actively contemplating and working towards reaching the
earliest solutions to remove any deadlocks, in a fast track mode.

The resolution on whether to accept or reject the resignations by Moksh
Juneja and Pranav Curumsey have been PASSED AS ACCEPTED by  3 against 1
votes with one member abstaining from any actions.

Now that the present EC has TWO vacancies to be filled, we are in the
process of co-opting two senior chapter members, ideally with a consensus,
or if necessary, again through voting.  A resolution to this effect is
already placed in the internal board wiki. Being the case of an emergency,
the resolution will be set for voting till tomorrow mid-night.

We earnestly expect that we will be able to fulfill all the seven positions
by this. We will also elect a new president (and if necessary other office
bearers) from among us.

Any pending issues / actions regarding elections and other affairs will be
discussed and decided by consensus (or a majority),  soon after restoring
the EC to its full strength.

Any decisions on hiring and other critical matters are already suspended.
It may also stay suspended further (until a freshly elected  EC come into
power) unless found absolutely necessary.

The new structure will be effective until upcoming general elections. On
successful completion of the elections, a fresh EC will take over the reins.


This is for your general information.

Thank you

On behalf of the Executive Committee,

Viswanathan Prabhakaran
Member, Executive Committee,
Wikimedia India Chapter.
Thrissur, Kerala
Wikimedia /Wikimedia India User: ViswaPrabha
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