[Wikitech-l] Interested in Contributing to WikiMedia

[Alangi Derick]

Hi everyone,
 I am Alangi Derick and a Web developer. Mostly, i work with the
following technologies; PHP, HTML/HTML 5, Javascript, jQuery etc. I am
also very good at using Git VCS and also at time SVN.

I am a senior student in the University of Buea, Cameroon and i am
currently interning at a software development company. I am working on
a project which i use Laravel 4.2 for developement and MySQL DBMS.

I want to take my skills to a next level by contributing to an open
source organisation and to a platform where my codes will be used by
the whole world to make it a better place. I found WikiMedia to be
that which fits my skills and i am very happy i got one. I will like
to develop for this organisation all the time and make WikiMedia a
better one. I will like the members of the development community to
offer me as much help as possible so that in little or no time, i will
fix bugs, add features, and more.. to Wikimedia. Thanks

Regards
Alangi Derick Ndimnain

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Oliver Keyes]

Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email
you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you
might have.

On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen 
> wrote:
>
>> There is consensus at
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
>> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
>> sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other
>> ones).  This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all
>> sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our
>> goals here?” and “how should this work?”.  After these sections are
>> finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive
>> changes to them.
>>
>> The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the
>> Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior.  These
>> have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and
>> appear to have stabilized.
>>
>> However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please
>> participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections:
>>
>> *
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
>>
>> *
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
>>
>> If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your
>> name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to
>> conduct-discuss...@wikimedia.org .  Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and
>> Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will
>> anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your
>> request.
>>
>>
> lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the
> reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus?
> probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. i
> would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for
> the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success
> criteria. e.g
>
> * 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it
> * 20% of committers want it
> * after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done
>
> other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written"
> would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more
> conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim
> ?
>
> best,
> rupert
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Risker]

On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride  wrote:




>  It seems weird to me that the
> push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement.
>



Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_the_United_States_Fighting_Force

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Moriel Schottlender]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the
> push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there
> are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have codes of
> conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for
> being male. There's a dark irony in sites such as Geek Feminism Wiki
> feeling the need to prominently answer "Are men welcome here?" in their
> FAQ ().
>
> This isn't to say that there aren't good ideas and good people behind some
> of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies to the code of
> conduct cause being put off by the militant feminist language and
> overeager citations of feminist theory.
>
>
Considering the fact that so far the vast majority of voices raised in this
email thread, the previous 2 email threads, and the Code of Conduct draft
discussion itself were mostly self-identified male, I suspect we are fairly
safe from making it "anti men".




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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Alex Monk]

On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard  wrote:
>
> > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you one
> thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously
> argue against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this
> point, refusing to listen, refusing to have one. Well, that is.


This quote seems a bit sexist to me.

Actually, I wonder whether the current draft of the code of conduct would
allow you to send it here or not.

On 6 September 2015 at 01:42, Risker  wrote:

> On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride  wrote:
> 
>
> > It seems weird to me that the
> > push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement.
> >
>
> Really?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_the_United_States_Fighting_Force


How is this relevant to what MZMcBride said?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[David Gerard]

The first and last paras are particularly worth quoting:

> Earlier this year I pulled out of a conference because the organiser and I 
> disagreed on code of conducts. Specifically I thought there should be one, 
> and he did not. He did eventually add one, but refused to define unacceptable 
> behaviour. Myself and another woman pulled out.

...

> I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you one 
> thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously argue 
> against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this point, 
> refusing to listen, refusing to have one. Well, that is.


- d.



On 5 September 2015 at 23:07, Oliver Keyes  wrote:
> On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
> don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
> recently encountered
> http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/
> on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a couple of points
> definitely worth thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC
> is not to be the be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set
> a very minimum bound of what is acceptable.
>
> On 5 September 2015 at 17:39, Oliver Keyes  wrote:
>> Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email
>> you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you
>> might have.
>>
>> On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER  
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There is consensus at

 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
 that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
 sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other
 ones).  This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all
 sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our
 goals here?” and “how should this work?”.  After these sections are
 finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive
 changes to them.

 The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the
 Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior.  These
 have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and
 appear to have stabilized.

 However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please
 participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections:

 *
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft

 *
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft

 If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your
 name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to
 conduct-discuss...@wikimedia.org .  Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and
 Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will
 anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your
 request.


>>> lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the
>>> reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus?
>>> probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. i
>>> would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for
>>> the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success
>>> criteria. e.g
>>>
>>> * 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it
>>> * 20% of committers want it
>>> * after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done
>>>
>>> other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written"
>>> would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more
>>> conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim
>>> ?
>>>
>>> best,
>>> rupert
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[David Gerard]

On 6 September 2015 at 00:11, MZMcBride  wrote:


> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there


It would probably be fascinating to have this technical term defined
with any specificity.


> of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies to the code of
> conduct cause being put off by the militant feminist language and
> overeager citations of feminist theory.


The hypothetical people in question would look to any excuse in practice.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Risker]

On 5 September 2015 at 21:11, Alex Monk  wrote:

> On 5 September 2015 at 23:19, David Gerard  wrote:
> >
> > > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you
> one
> > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously
> > argue against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this
> > point, refusing to listen, refusing to have one. Well, that is.
>
>
> This quote seems a bit sexist to me.
>
> Actually, I wonder whether the current draft of the code of conduct would
> allow you to send it here or not.
>
> On 6 September 2015 at 01:42, Risker  wrote:
>
> > On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > It seems weird to me that the
> > > push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> > > become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement.
> > >
> >
> > Really?
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_the_United_States_Fighting_Force
>
>
> How is this relevant to what MZMcBride said?
>


Codes of conduct originated in what most people would consider the most
stereotypically male-dominated organizations. If you read the article,
you'll see that they had to update it in the 1980s to make it gender
neutral.  Gradually, over the last three generations, codes of conduct have
made it through to most sectors of the professional and business worlds.
It's hardly an ultra-liberal feminist movement that has led to this.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Oliver Keyes]

On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
recently encountered
http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/
on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a couple of points
definitely worth thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC
is not to be the be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set
a very minimum bound of what is acceptable.

On 5 September 2015 at 17:39, Oliver Keyes  wrote:
> Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email
> you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you
> might have.
>
> On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is consensus at
>>>
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
>>> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
>>> sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other
>>> ones).  This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all
>>> sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our
>>> goals here?” and “how should this work?”.  After these sections are
>>> finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive
>>> changes to them.
>>>
>>> The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the
>>> Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior.  These
>>> have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and
>>> appear to have stabilized.
>>>
>>> However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please
>>> participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections:
>>>
>>> *
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
>>>
>>> *
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
>>>
>>> If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your
>>> name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to
>>> conduct-discuss...@wikimedia.org .  Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and
>>> Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will
>>> anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your
>>> request.
>>>
>>>
>> lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the
>> reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus?
>> probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. i
>> would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for
>> the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success
>> criteria. e.g
>>
>> * 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it
>> * 20% of committers want it
>> * after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done
>>
>> other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written"
>> would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more
>> conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim
>> ?
>>
>> best,
>> rupert
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[MZMcBride]

Oliver Keyes wrote:
>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an
>interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth
>thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC is not to be the
>be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set a very minimum bound
>of what is acceptable.

Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the
push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there
are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have codes of
conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for
being male. There's a dark irony in sites such as Geek Feminism Wiki
feeling the need to prominently answer "Are men welcome here?" in their
FAQ ().

This isn't to say that there aren't good ideas and good people behind some
of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies to the code of
conduct cause being put off by the militant feminist language and
overeager citations of feminist theory.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[Oliver Keyes]

On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Oliver Keyes wrote:
>>On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or
>>don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
>>recently encountered http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an
>>interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth
>>thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC is not to be the
>>be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set a very minimum bound
>>of what is acceptable.
>
> Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the
> push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
> become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there
> are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have codes of
> conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for
> being male. There's a dark irony in sites such as Geek Feminism Wiki
> feeling the need to prominently answer "Are men welcome here?" in their
> FAQ ().
>
> This isn't to say that there aren't good ideas and good people behind some
> of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies to the code of
> conduct cause being put off by the militant feminist language and
> overeager citations of feminist theory.
>

It seems weird to me that a conversation about codes of conduct is
being shifted into a discussion of "but the people writing about codes
of conduct, let's debate where they fall on an ideological spectrum".
This thread is not for discussing "militant feminist language" or
"demonizing people for being male", this is about having a code of
conduct, full stop. If you want to start a conversation about
"militant feminism" I'm sure there is a mailing list out there for
that, but it is not this one.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Picking the RfC to discuss on IRC next week

[Legoktm]

On 09/03/2015 12:11 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote:
> I have it as a TODO to completely rework that board, but I'm not doing
> it by next week.  What RfC needs attention now?

If no one else has any RfCs that need attention, I'd like to discuss
.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of Conduct: Intro, Principles, and Unacceptable behavior sections

[rupert THURNER]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen 
wrote:

> There is consensus at
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps
> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few
> sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other
> ones).  This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all
> sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our
> goals here?” and “how should this work?”.  After these sections are
> finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive
> changes to them.
>
> The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the
> Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior.  These
> have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and
> appear to have stabilized.
>
> However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please
> participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections:
>
> *
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
>
> *
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
>
> If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your
> name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to
> conduct-discuss...@wikimedia.org .  Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and
> Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will
> anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your
> request.
>
>
lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the
reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus?
probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. i
would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for
the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success
criteria. e.g

* 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it
* 20% of committers want it
* after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done

other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written"
would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more
conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim
?

best,
rupert
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