[WISPA] Looks like the Senate has already figured out how to spend the money

[George]

that they will get from auctioning off the tv spectrum:

http://tinyurl.com/8qz67

"The measure provides $4.8 billion to help with the federal budget and 
allocates $1 billion for making communications by emergency personnel 
interoperable. If the auction raises more than $10 billion, the bill 
calls for that extra money to be used for deficit reduction.


A company like Motorola Inc. could benefit since it makes communications 
equipment used by emergency personnel."


George
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Re: [WISPA] Hurricane Wilma

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hiya George,

Feel free to post this to any list you know of

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hurricane Wilma



Marlon

Here is a list I haven't seen your post on yet:
wisp mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lists.tog.net/mailman/listinfo/wisp

You might want to send it there as well.

George


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The FCC is starting up their hurricane team again for Wilma.  They have 
asked WISPA to provide as much contact info for anyone in or near the 
landfall zones as possible.


If you are in or near the projected path of Wilma please shoot me an OFF 
LIST message with the current subject line.

Include the following data:
Company name:
Main contact:
Office number:
Main contact cell number:
Complete address:


GPS coordinates:

Assets you have (climbers, extra hardware etc.):

Equipment mainly used (so we can match up those with extra stuff with 
what you may need):


We'll keep an eye on this storm and if it looks like it's going to hit 
hard we'll see if we can get people in the nearby areas ready to move in 
as soon as it's safe.


IF you get hit and need help feel free to contact me directly at this 
email address, my cell phone (509.988.0260) or my office phone (number 
below) at any time.


Thanks and good luck!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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Re: [WISPA] Hurricane Wilma

[George]

Marlon

Here is a list I haven't seen your post on yet:
wisp mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lists.tog.net/mailman/listinfo/wisp

You might want to send it there as well.

George


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The FCC is starting up their hurricane team again for Wilma.  They have 
asked WISPA to provide as much contact info for anyone in or near the 
landfall zones as possible.


If you are in or near the projected path of Wilma please shoot me an OFF 
LIST message with the current subject line.

Include the following data:
Company name:
Main contact:
Office number:
Main contact cell number:
Complete address:


GPS coordinates:

Assets you have (climbers, extra hardware etc.):

Equipment mainly used (so we can match up those with extra stuff with 
what you may need):


We'll keep an eye on this storm and if it looks like it's going to hit 
hard we'll see if we can get people in the nearby areas ready to move in 
as soon as it's safe.


IF you get hit and need help feel free to contact me directly at this 
email address, my cell phone (509.988.0260) or my office phone (number 
below) at any time.


Thanks and good luck!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed band radio manufacturers

[Ron Wallace]

Well, John I agree, i called the guy and got not available on 
his cell, and mailbox full on his v-mail, not much on his web 
site either.  he really must be a busy man.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson St.
Addison, MI 49220

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Fw: [WISPA] Hurricane Wilma

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

fyi, urgent request from the FCC.

At the bottom of this note I've copy and pasted the data from the attachment 
that Lauren had sent.  I know many of the list won't allow the .doc 
attachment through


laters,
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- Original Message - 
From: "Lauren VanWazer" <>

To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Hurricane Wilma


Marlon:

I've attached a form explaining why we're interested in hearing from
folks in the affected regions -- it will help us to ascertain the extent
of the hurricane impact and faciliate sending help to the affected
areas.  Perhaps you want to float it to your WISP list.  There's an
e-mail box that we've set up [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- folks can e-mail us
about hurricane issues there.

Thanks,
Lauren


<>

Hello. My name is Lauren Van Wazer and I work at the Office of Engineering 
and Technology at the Federal Communications Commission. We are aware that 
you may be working hard to prepare for hurricane Wilma and we do not wish to 
take up a lot of time. To the extent you're able, we're interested in how 
hurricane Wilma is impacting your ability to operate and provide service. We're 
trying to get a whole picture of the adverse impacts caused to the 
communications infrastructure by the hurricane. Also, we'd like to provide 
an avenue for you to communicate to the federal government issues relating 
to your communications network. So, we may be contacting you again over the 
next few days or, if you'd like, you can e-mail us directly, at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please understand that this process is entirely voluntary 
and you are under no obligation to provide any information, should you so 
choose.





I'd like to ask you a few questions.







Company Name:




Contact Person:




Telephone Number of Contact Person:




Alternative Telephone Number:




E-mail Address:




General service coverage area (e.g., cities, counties, etc.):




Type of equipment:




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[WISPA] Hurricane Wilma

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi All,

The FCC is starting up their hurricane team again for Wilma.  They have 
asked WISPA to provide as much contact info for anyone in or near the 
landfall zones as possible.


If you are in or near the projected path of Wilma please shoot me an OFF 
LIST message with the current subject line.

Include the following data:
Company name:
Main contact:
Office number:
Main contact cell number:
Complete address:


GPS coordinates:

Assets you have (climbers, extra hardware etc.):

Equipment mainly used (so we can match up those with extra stuff with what 
you may need):


We'll keep an eye on this storm and if it looks like it's going to hit hard 
we'll see if we can get people in the nearby areas ready to move in as soon 
as it's safe.


IF you get hit and need help feel free to contact me directly at this email 
address, my cell phone (509.988.0260) or my office phone (number below) at 
any time.


Thanks and good luck!
Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[Paul Hendry]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] with good -65 signal and yes it would seem that the earlier
differences in upload/download speeds was CPU related as both up and down
look to be very close.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of danlist
Sent: 20 October 2005 13:29
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Paul,

Was this turbo mode or standard?

Thanks

Dan


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:11 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> UPDATE
> 
> Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port
> WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data
(uncompressible)
> shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps).
> These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real
> throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around
> 37-39mbps in both rx and tx.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> P.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX
routers
> but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
> client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.
> 
> If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
> wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
> 27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
> (uncompressible) tcp based data.
> 
> The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip
packing)
> between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I
see
> the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay
in
> each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
> time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
> passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms
to
> expire (which ever comes first).
> 
> The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
> system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I
can
> test with 2 P4's later today.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> P.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> Paul Hendry wrote:
> > Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.
> 
> Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)
> 
> My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
> the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
> depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating
> between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
> traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.
> 
> Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
> you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
> able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
> Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
> and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)
> 
> Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
> those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
> worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
> with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[David E. Smith]

Paul Hendry wrote:


If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
(uncompressible) tcp based data.


I just meant similar as in "asymmetrical," actually, not similar as in 
similar throughput. I was just using RB532s, and I'm pretty sure the 
tests are CPU-bound at this point. (Specifically, it apparently takes a 
lot of CPU to generate all those random packets...) I'm hoping to 
scrounge up another computer from somewhere, so I can run something like 
qcheck or nuttcp on either end of the link.


David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed band radio manufacturers

[Dan Petermann]

Looking for licensed band, 100Mb, full duplex radios.  The reason is I'm looking at 100+ air miles and want to have as few hops as possible, with no interference.Thank you for your reply and I'll have to check out your products.On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:24 AM, robert maier wrote:I'am a radio manufacturer out of Bradenton Florida, We make 2.4 and 5.8 ghz 11 meg spread spectrum radios, plus we have a new generation radio coming out soon that will go up to 54 meg. These radios can either be outdoor mount or indoor mount. The out door are power over ethernet. Point to point,  Point to multipoint, DHCP,NAT,Routing, these radios do it all and they are very reliable. Have many links out ther for over 8 years with no problems.     Give a call or visit our website   Rob Maier Director of Field Services 1-941-744-2511 Global Wireless Solutions and Technologies www.globalwireless-inc.comDan Petermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anybody know if there is a list somewhere that lists equipment manufacturers besides typing in every search keyword I can think of into Google?-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- 
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed band radio manufacturers

[John Scrivner]

This list is petty open but this post is just not going to cut it. You 
should have directed your information to the person directly who 
requested it. The rest of us deal with hundreds of emails a day and do 
not need to be a party to advertisements on list servers. Please make 
sure when you address this group that you provide content that is 
helpful to the members beyond simply telling us what you sell. I am 
copying the list on this message so that others here know that this is 
crossing the line.

Thank you,
John Scrivner
List Moderator

robert maier wrote:

I'am a radio manufacturer out of Bradenton Florida, We make 2.4 and 
5.8 ghz 11 meg spread spectrum radios, plus we have a new generation 
radio coming out soon that will go up to 54 meg. These radios can 
either be outdoor mount or indoor mount. The out door are power over 
ethernet. Point to point,  Point to multipoint, DHCP,NAT,Routing, 
these radios do it all and they are very reliable. Have many links out 
ther for over 8 years with no problems. 
 
Give a call or visit our website
 
Rob Maier

Director of Field Services
1-941-744-2511
Global Wireless Solutions and Technologies
www.globalwireless-inc.com 


*/Dan Petermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

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manufacturers besides typing in every search keyword I can think of
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed band radio manufacturers

[robert maier]

I'am a radio manufacturer out of Bradenton Florida, We make 2.4 and 5.8 ghz 11 meg spread spectrum radios, plus we have a new generation radio coming out soon that will go up to 54 meg. These radios can either be outdoor mount or indoor mount. The out door are power over ethernet. Point to point,  Point to multipoint, DHCP,NAT,Routing, these radios do it all and they are very reliable. Have many links out ther for over 8 years with no problems.  
 
Give a call or visit our website
 
Rob Maier
Director of Field Services
1-941-744-2511
Global Wireless Solutions and Technologies
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[danlist]

Paul,

Was this turbo mode or standard?

Thanks

Dan


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:11 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> UPDATE
> 
> Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port
> WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible)
> shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps).
> These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real
> throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around
> 37-39mbps in both rx and tx.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> P.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers
> but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
> client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.
> 
> If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
> wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
> 27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
> (uncompressible) tcp based data.
> 
> The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing)
> between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see
> the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in
> each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
> time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
> passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to
> expire (which ever comes first).
> 
> The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
> system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can
> test with 2 P4's later today.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> P.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> Paul Hendry wrote:
> > Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.
> 
> Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)
> 
> My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
> the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
> depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating
> between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
> traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.
> 
> Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
> you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
> able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
> Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
> and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)
> 
> Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
> those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
> worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
> with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[Scott Reed]

So you are thinking the asymmetry was a processing problem?

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


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Sent: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:10:44 +0100 


Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 



> UPDATE 
> 
> 

Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port 

> 

WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible) 

> 

shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps). 
> 

These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real 
> 

throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around 
> 

37-39mbps in both rx and tx. 
> 
> 

Many thanks, 
> 
> 

P. 
> 
> 

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Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32 
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 
> 
> 

The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers 

> 

but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX 

> 

client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS. 
> 

> 

If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I 

> 

wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and 
> 

27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random 
> 

(uncompressible) tcp based data. 
> 
> 

The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing) 

> 

between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see 

> 

the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in 

> 

each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip 

> 

time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is 
> 

passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to 

> 

expire (which ever comes first). 
> 
> 

The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one 

> 

system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can 

> 

test with 2 P4's later today. 
> 
> 

Cheers, 
> 
> 

P. 
> 
> 

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Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34 
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 
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Paul Hendry wrote: 
> 

> Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes. 
> 

> 

Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :) 
> 
> 

My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing 

> 

the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s, 

> 

depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating 

> 

between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with 
> 

traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client. 
> 
> 

Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are 

> 

you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be 
> 

able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday. 

> 

Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before 

> 

and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :) 
> 
> 

Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with 

> 

those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real 
> 

worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away 

> 

with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation). 
> 
> 

David Smith 
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[Paul Hendry]

Also just noticed that the TCP test results as well as not taking into
account the TCP acknowledgements it also doesn't include the TCP header and
IP header.

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Sent: 20 October 2005 13:11
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

UPDATE

Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port
WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible)
shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps).
These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real
throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around
37-39mbps in both rx and tx.

Many thanks,

P.
 
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Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers
but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.

If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
(uncompressible) tcp based data.

The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing)
between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see
the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in
each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to
expire (which ever comes first).

The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can
test with 2 P4's later today.

Cheers,

P.

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Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Paul Hendry wrote:
> Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.

Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)

My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating
between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.

Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)

Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).

David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[Paul Hendry]

UPDATE

Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port
WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible)
shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps).
These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real
throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around
37-39mbps in both rx and tx.

Many thanks,

P.
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers
but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.

If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
(uncompressible) tcp based data.

The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing)
between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see
the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in
each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to
expire (which ever comes first).

The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can
test with 2 P4's later today.

Cheers,

P.

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Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Paul Hendry wrote:
> Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.

Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)

My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating
between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.

Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)

Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).

David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[Paul Hendry]

The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers
but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.

If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
(uncompressible) tcp based data.

The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing)
between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see
the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in
each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to
expire (which ever comes first).

The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can
test with 2 P4's later today.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Paul Hendry wrote:
> Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.

Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)

My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating
between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.

Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)

Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).

David Smith
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