Re: [WISPA] verizon pension
Actually, VZ is just hitting management: Late Monday the company said it plans to freeze its guaranteed pension plan for 50,000 of its managers, a move that could save the telecommunications giant $3 billion during the next decade. The company said it would expand its own contributions to managers' 401(k) retirement savings plans and noted employees would retain benefits they have already earned, but not accrue any additional benefits. MCI killed all pensions under BK. So working for VZ means 401k and lots of disgruntled employees who will blame loss of revenue NOT on bonehead Tele-Baron management policies but on competitors for eating their lunch. That means more DSL slamming; more delays in repairs and installs. CLECs and ISPs will feel the brunt, since the Tele-Barons have done an excellent job of manipulating the CWA leadership. (Anyone remember the commercial with the wife of the SBC employee who was going to lose his job over UNE-P???) Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 10 Mac Dearman wrote: Yeah - I read that somewhere the other day! It is due to all that 6Mbps internet they sell for $15.00 hehehehehe Did they think they could spend 40 million a year and only bring in 22million and last forever? Lassez les bons temps rouler!!! ( for the non Louisianians - let the good times roll) / / Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
Mac Dearman wrote: Well, I agree to a point with both of you (Nunweiler Marlon)- - you know I am different - - kinda like rocky roads ice cream, just sweeter :-) I don't like DHCP for the client as its just too easy and requires no interaction with the client - EVER! I also dont like the fact that you get all the info you need to successfully connect to the internet automatically when you point any WiFi compatible device at one of my towers. I might as well give you the keys to my lock box in the bank :-) I think I will leave the DHCP off, make a trip to your house and assign your IP statically as well as your DNS. I dont ever foresee changing my DNS servers addys, but if I do then its just a matter of making DNS resolve to whatever I want it to. Its all in DNS baby :-) On the other hand - - If you do DHCP and someone plugs their router in backwards you are screwed! There are no ifs ands or buts - - all you are lacking is the tattoo! If any portion of your network is set to receive a DHCP number - - it will do just that - - it dont care where it comes from - - it just wants a number and whoever/whatever answers the DHCP request - - its got a number that fits the niche even though it will totally disable the persons internet connection. I aint for sure if I made it to the other hand yet or not so I shall continue till I run out of Margaritas (new recipe) or chicken.(ancient Chinese secret) Doing a static routed network is for the birds!! I am not calling any names, but I have personally witnessed several mighty fine wireless Gurus sit at the base of a tower and hack away 5 pages (front and back) (hours!) of legal paper with static routes on them to add a new Access point!! If you get 1 static route upstream wrong (read - - one number) then you aint done JACK! Static routes is not the answer either. Static routing is just like bridging - - it will get you by a while, but you will surely move on to the real answer - -OSPF I have tried doing the static routing and I will tell you its like pulling my own teeth with out any anesthetics. It is not an answer, but a short term thing that could definitely last longer than bridging - - its a fact. If a man wants to do something that will put him a long time in the future before having to do anything different - - I mean in excess of several thousand clients I suggest this: 1. Do not do DHCP - -assign static IPs Does anyone know what DHCP *RESERVATIONS* are for? You don't get an address unless you are assigned an address based on client MAC address 2. implement OSPF and route your backbone Good stuff maynard... 3. Bridge from the AP to the client - (get real, why would you need to route to the client? where else can the traffic go if the backbone is routed and its a one way street?) 4. Do MAC with IP authentication via radius - or - PPPoE (either one is a real solution) each have their strengths and weaknesses 5. OSPF! (redundancy - YES!) 6. A really good MikroTik Man on the payroll and RB532's I do have suggestions and a name for this man!! call me! 7. DO NOT BUILD A TOTALLY BRIDGED NETWORK - - unless you plan to stay a really small fish (minnow) in a really big Ocean! I can attest what a mistake a bridged network can/will be! I can also attest to how easy it is to build, how FINE it runs and how fast that sucker will crumble down to the ground as you are standing at a keyboard trying all you know how to - - to no avail!! I can attest that you will learn a lot of stuff the hard way, how close you will learn such tools as Ethereal and angry ip, how much time you ( in my case - my wife) will spend hunting a single vicious virus on a tremendous network because it affects a bridged network like the walking Pneumonia affects you and I - - its effects move around on the network!! O - - I can tell you some horror stories alright, but better than calling me - - call my wife! Alright - - I now am stepping off my soap box and the floor is open! hehehehehe( I am not opinionated) Margaritas anyone? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell SNIP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon pension
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051206/bs_nm/telecoms_verizon_retirement_dc NEW YORK (Reuters) - Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ - news), the second-biggest U.S. telecoms firm, said on Monday it was restructuring retirement benefits for 50,000 managers in a bid to save $3 billion over the next 10 years. Under the plan -- for which Verizon will take an estimated fourth-quarter pre-tax charge of $97 million -- managers will no longer earn pension benefits or receive service credits toward healthcare benefits from next July. Employees currently covered by a defined-benefit plan -- which typically has a fixed payout at retirement based on earnings and years of service -- will keep pension benefits already earned, and on June 30 will receive an 18-month enhancement to the value of their pension and retiree medical benefits. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - Actually, VZ is just hitting management: Late Monday the company said it plans to freeze its guaranteed pension plan for 50,000 of its managers, a move that could save the telecommunications giant $3 billion during the next decade. The company said it would expand its own contributions to managers' 401(k) retirement savings plans and noted employees would retain benefits they have already earned, but not accrue any additional benefits. MCI killed all pensions under BK. So working for VZ means 401k and lots of disgruntled employees who will blame loss of revenue NOT on bonehead Tele-Baron management policies but on competitors for eating their lunch. That means more DSL slamming; more delays in repairs and installs. CLECs and ISPs will feel the brunt, since the Tele-Barons have done an excellent job of manipulating the CWA leadership. (Anyone remember the commercial with the wife of the SBC employee who was going to lose his job over UNE-P???) Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
We do it a bit differently We run a routed network with static, private IP's. Each tower is assigned a private IP subnet. Clients are assigned a private, static IP in the subnet of the tower they connect to. MikroTiks at my T1's control NAT rules that enable and disable individual clients. This also allows us to easily run point to point traffic across our wireless network to link a customers remote sites together without loading our T1's down. We also use this to provide special services to our agricultural clients including remote sensor monitoring, remote control of equipment and video monitoring. We also firewall all our clients... -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard
They just finished their 6th prototype and found out some issues with the current Atheros chipsets in regards to adjustable frequency selection. They are looking at making a new prototype with the latest chipset. The cards where not estimated to be available and ready until around Jan/Feb and more then likely your not going to see any cards until Feb at this point since they have to redesign them a bit. But it's all for the better. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc Ubiquiti Distributor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard Anyone heard anything more about these 900MHz mini-PCI cards from Ubiquiti? Their web site doesn't seem to mention them IMHO, their web site is useless -- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: OK, talking about all of the ways that Trango has to fine tune the radios has me thinking. I've got two systems that I'm having some trouble with. Both are low to the ground and I'm sure I'm seeing multipath. GREAT speed tests radio to radio but poor data rates and high error rates (5% most of the time). Still much better than the wifi it's replaced but it needs to be better. I don't know the cli on these radios and don't have the time, desire or need to learn. I do need some help from someone that knows them insideout. Anyone need an hour or two of consulting to help me get these two systems polished up so that they run at full speed? thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard JohnnyO, When you can tell me you've installed In this type of noisy environment Of course every environment is different. But We have with great success with Trango. Try colocating right next to qty 5 - 929Mhz 500 watt OMNIs, and the same horizontal plain in Urban america with -60db RSSIs from them, -30db RSSIs on the top channel. Feel free to share one technical reason why the Canopy is capable of dealing with interference better than Trango. (other than personal experience, because that can not be verified or accurately debated). My guess is in your environment, you weren't taking advantage of Trango's flexibility and using the best polarity for the job. I find most noise, such as from SCADA systems, are on verticle polarity, very easy to combat with a radio like Trango that supports horizontal pol antennas on the fly. You probably were using omnis or testing with Trango default antennas. Try matching up Trango w/ Tiltek Horizontal sector w/ their convenient ext antenna port on all APs and CPEs capable to add narrow beam Yagis. Trango has 3 ways to combat interference. 1- dual pol switchable, 2- dynamic leveling to compress out noise, 3- ARQ The choice for 900 Mhz radios is florishing right now, all very high grade radios (WaveRider, Alvarion, Tranmgo, Canopy, AirSpan, WaveIP). All have their own little unique benefits that make them special. Alvarion- Mobile. WaveRider- Dual Polarity Diverity. Trango- Dual Pol switchable + ARQ + great diag tools. Canopy- easy interface w/ diag statistic for Jitter and such. But as far as surviving noise, not confident that Canopy shines in that territory above Trango. I just don't believe it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard How do I figure ? Trango never worked here - Alvarion did for a lil over a year - WaveIP didn't work - WaveRider didn't work - Canopy is the ONLY platform that will work here. We're using sector antennas and using the water tower as a shield for the 100s of 100watt scada systems just 5-10 miles away from us.. When you can tell me you've installed In this type of noisy environment with your Trango, I would be very very eager to listen. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard How do you figure? Our tests have shown that the Trango outperform the Canopy in noisy
Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
The idea, for me is that by the time a company gets to the point that they need to route they'll either know what they are doing. And/or they'll have someone on staff just to handle that issue. The other problem I ran into back when was a shortage of ip addys. And routing to every customer wastes three ip addys for every one you get to actually use. I don't think that's responsible stewardship. My new ap's block client to client communications, and new manages switches that will vlan and packet filter will be the next upgrades I'll do. We just broke the network in two. So I've got 150ish broadband subs on one system and 150 on another. Not exact numbers but close. One of the systems went from t-1 to 10 meg so I don't have good numbers as to performance issues. The other one still has 100 megs coming into it. On that system I see no difference. I'm sure there's room for improvement. There always will be if a guy wants to stay anywhere near the head of the pack. One other thing that's not been brought up yet is over building. Today we can build 3 to 10x more capacity into the network than the average customer is demanding for the same cost or very nearly so as building to meet customer demands. Having more capacity than is needed, so far, is allowing us to significantly simplify the network. Anyone can walk in here tomorrow and take over with a few phone calls to tech support at most. There's nothing fancy going on here. That's part of why I can take care of 250 wireless subs, 50 fiber customers and hundreds of dialup people with me and two gals that share a part time office job. Our wireless churn is almost nil. I've lost a couple lately due to some trouble at a tower site. It's caused by jerk off competitors and their 1 watt amps and 15+ db sector antennas though. And I tried to use a $120 sector where I normally use $400 ones. I'm not sure I'll ever learn that lesson :-). Will we have to redo the network at some point in the future? Sure. Will it suck? Sure. But that's then and this is now. We just redid half of it and it sucked. Big time. But only for a few days. WE have taken the time to teach our customers how to do their own networking stuff just like we took the time to teach them how to do their own dialup stuff. When we need to make changes (or the customer changes their gear) they can usually take care of it themselves or with a little help from us via the phone. Both models work. The real trick is making sure that they get deployed in the right situation. Too big of a hammer is sometimes just as bad as too small of a one or vice verse. Oh yeah, I'm tired of hearing small networks getting talked down to. With 100 subs the average guy should be putting $2,000 to $3,000 per month in the bank. That's enough money to keep the average mom home with the kids! We'd be there today if we would just stop growing. Man, a mom at home with the kids AND good cars to drive and a dad that's not working 80 hours per week. Small WISPs are right in there with the American dream man! This is good stuff! Laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) And that is the second thing that guys do wrong. They use simple bridged clients which are vulnerable to the issue of the backwards router and they create a host of other issues. You are building a network that connects to the Internet so why not use the same network design that the Internet uses? Routed. Sure you will find sections that are bridged but anything that leaves the backbone is routed to the customer. Bridged or rather no design is fine for small simple networks. Just plug things in and get on to the next job. As you grow the troubles will begin and then, eventually, you will have to reorganize your entire network and move to a routed design. Why wait for all that pain? Do it right, from the start. Allow yourself to grow and not have to go through that second painful redesign. I am usually silent and just watch the lists, but when I see wrong advice given I cannot watch in silence. It is wrong to not use DHCP and it is wrong to use a bridged design. If you have intentions of doing any sort of large customer base, please plan it correctly from the start. Do not listen to the guys who tell you to do it quick and dirty. I know this sounds preachy, but man, I get 10 calls a day from people who have stated out quick and dirty and they reach a certain size or get
Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
How were you looking at routing to use 3 for 1? I have never setup routing that way and would like to be sure I don't. I am running fully routed from the get-go, with 3 internal routers and a 4th going in Friday. Actually 2 MTs as router only and 2 that are routing APs. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:05:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) The idea, for me is that by the time a company gets to the point that they need to route they'll either know what they are doing. And/or they'll have someone on staff just to handle that issue. The other problem I ran into back when was a shortage of ip addys. And routing to every customer wastes three ip addys for every one you get to actually use. I don't think that's responsible stewardship. My new ap's block client to client communications, and new manages switches that will vlan and packet filter will be the next upgrades I'll do. We just broke the network in two. So I've got 150ish broadband subs on one system and 150 on another. Not exact numbers but close. One of the systems went from t-1 to 10 meg so I don't have good numbers as to performance issues. The other one still has 100 megs coming into it. On that system I see no difference. I'm sure there's room for improvement. There always will be if a guy wants to stay anywhere near the head of the pack. One other thing that's not been brought up yet is over building. Today we can build 3 to 10x more capacity into the network than the average customer is demanding for the same cost or very nearly so as building to meet customer demands. Having more capacity than is needed, so far, is allowing us to significantly simplify the network. Anyone can walk in here tomorrow and take over with a few phone calls to tech support at most. There's nothing fancy going on here. That's part of why I can take care of 250 wireless subs, 50 fiber customers and hundreds of dialup people with me and two gals that share a part time office job. Our wireless churn is almost nil. I've lost a couple lately due to some trouble at a tower site. It's caused by jerk off competitors and their 1 watt amps and 15+ db sector antennas though. And I tried to use a $120 sector where I normally use $400 ones. I'm not sure I'll ever learn that lesson :-). Will we have to redo the network at some point in the future? Sure. Will it suck? Sure. But that's then and this is now. We just redid half of it and it sucked. Big time. But only for a few days. WE have taken the time to teach our customers how to do their own networking stuff just like we took the time to teach them how to do their own dialup stuff. When we need to make changes (or the customer changes their gear) they can usually take care of it themselves or with a little help from us via the phone. Both models work. The real trick is making sure that they get deployed in the right situation. Too big of a hammer is sometimes just as bad as too small of a one or vice verse. Oh yeah, I'm tired of hearing small networks getting talked down to. With 100 subs the average guy should be putting $2,000 to $3,000 per month in the bank. That's enough money to keep the average mom home with the kids! We'd be there today if we would just stop growing. Man, a mom at home with the kids AND good cars to drive and a dad that's not working 80 hours per week. Small WISPs are right in there with the American dream man! This is good stuff! Laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) And that is the second thing that guys do wrong. They use simple bridged clients which are vulnerable to the issue of the backwards router and they create a host of other issues. You are
Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
I'm no expert so you guys feel free to correct me as needed. The smallest subnet needs 4 ip addys to work. Even if it's three you get the idea. Still a huge waste of a very limited and harder to get all the time resource. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) How were you looking at routing to use 3 for 1? I have never setup routing that way and would like to be sure I don't. I am running fully routed from the get-go, with 3 internal routers and a 4th going in Friday. Actually 2 MTs as router only and 2 that are "routing APs". Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:05:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) The idea, for me is that by the time a company gets to the point that they need to route they'll either know what they are doing. And/or they'll have someone on staff just to handle that issue. The other problem I ran into back when was a shortage of ip addys. And routing to every customer wastes three ip addys for every one you get to actually use. I don't think that's responsible stewardship. My new ap's block client to client communications, and new manages switches that will vlan and packet filter will be the next upgrades I'll do. We just broke the network in two. So I've got 150ish broadband subs on one system and 150 on another. Not exact numbers but close. One of the systems went from t-1 to 10 meg so I don't have good numbers as to performance issues. The other one still has 100 megs coming into it. On that system I see no difference. I'm sure there's room for improvement. There always will be if a guy wants to stay anywhere near the head of the pack. One other thing that's not been brought up yet is over building. Today we can build 3 to 10x more capacity into the network than the average customer is demanding for the same cost or very nearly so as building to meet customer demands. Having more capacity than is needed, so far, is allowing us to significantly simplify the network. Anyone can walk in here tomorrow and take over with a few phone calls to tech support at most. There's nothing fancy going on here. That's part of why I can take care of 250 wireless subs, 50 fiber customers and hundreds of dialup people with me and two gals that share a part time office job. Our wireless churn is almost nil. I've lost a couple lately due to some trouble at a tower site. It's caused by jerk off competitors and their 1 watt amps and 15+ db sector antennas though. And I tried to use a $120 sector where I normally use $400 ones. I'm not sure I'll ever learn that lesson :-). Will we have to redo the network at some point in the future? Sure. Will it suck? Sure. But that's then and this is now. We just redid half of it and it sucked. Big time. But only for a few days. WE have taken the time to teach our customers how to do their own networking stuff just like we took the time to teach them how to do their own dialup stuff. When we need to make changes (or the customer changes their gear) they can usually take care of it themselves or with a little help from us via the phone. Both models work. The real trick is making sure that they get deployed in the right situation. Too big of a hammer is sometimes just as bad as too small of a one or vice verse. Oh yeah, I'm tired of hearing small networks getting talked down to. With 100 subs the average guy should be putting $2,000 to $3,000 per month in the bank. That's enough money to keep the average mom home with the kids! We'd be there today if we would just stop growing. Man, a mom at home with the kids AND good cars to drive and a dad that's not working 80 hours per week. Small WISPs are right in there with the American dream man! This is good stuff! Laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
PPPoE on a SOHO Router, private IPs for the devices. But I don't think you have to use PPPoE to do the /32 address to force the end-device to route everything. Need a router guru to answer that. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:17:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) I don't use pppoe. it really isn't workable, since the client end I use does not have a PPPOE client. And, I don't need it. BTW, if you use pppoe, how does someone use thier xbox, packet8 phone, or other generic IP-addressable device? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) Or, as PPPoE, client gets a /32 and a default gateway that allows everything to route. Why would the customer with a public need to be on a subnet by themselves, thus needing 4 IPs? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:56:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) For a customer to have single computer with a public IP, I do have to use 4 IP addresses. There's the broadcast, network, and two hosts - one being the gateway and one is the host. However, I have only something like 5 clients with publid IP's on thier side, every other client has NAT done at thier end, so, thier CPE has a public IP interface, but all of thier machines have private IP's. They can have multiple computers, and they generally just share one public IP. So, for the most part, I use one public IP per client - however... I subnet each access point, which has a 16 or 32 IP subnet attached to it. And again, this wastes 3 IP's per subnet... your broadcast, network, and of course, gateway IP. However, monitoring traffic on the network shows almost zilch for anything other than actual USE on the network. So, while I suppose we're technically wasting some IP's, we have a return for it, in that actually attacking client's machines is almost impossible, and my network is free of most broadcast and non-ip traffic. I hope to implement BGP and OSPF within 6 months network-wide. We'll have to see how this affects our traffic levels negatively... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How toAuthenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication) I'm no expert so you guys feel free to correct me as needed. The smallest subnet needs 4 ip addys to work. Even if it's three you get the idea. Still a huge waste of a very limited and harder to get all the time resource. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Re:
Re: [WISPA]How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
Blair, Could we get together sometime. I like this architecture. I am at a point, ready to expand, that this is where I need to go. I'm over near Jackson. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA]How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
Sure. Call me, or reply offlist. Also, as I see no overlap of our service areas, would you like to link directly to each other? Maybe something like If you are looking for coverage in the Jackson area, try www.newgenet.net on my site and If you need service in Allegan County, try www.wmwisp.net on your site. Just a thought Blair Ron Wallace wrote: Blair, Could we get together sometime. I like this architecture. I am at a point, ready to expand, that this is where I need to go. I'm over near Jackson. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
There are some benefits to bridging apposed to routing. So learn when routing or bridging is best for you. Generally you do not want to accept OSPF from a client, as it compromises the integrity of OSPF. (passing bad OSPF data). So routes then get added at the AP/cell router. The problem with this then is that redundancy and roaming may no longer be supported by the client CPE. It may then require a manual routing entry, to allow the CPE to connect from another sector. And if the routing config is done at the cell site router, roaming between cell sites may also be a change requiring static reconfiguration. Sure this can be solved with PPPOE, but there can be other trade off with that. Several questions arise. How important is mobility and roaming? many nelieve its the prime asset of a wireless provider, ultimately it the one think that can't be re-created by a wired network. Should it be left out of the design? Second is it advantageous to route between sectors of a cell site? I can see the advantage for high subscriber cell sites, and fixed location clients. But then again, this makes it harder to preconfigure customer radios, when the customer sits right between two possible sectors, and static entries are used. For reducing latency, one of the best things that can be done is to run an all bridged layer2 Switched network. Its the reason, fiber MAN are often done that way. Bridging can often add an extreme EASE advantage. For example, we've taken the road and Routed at EVERY point on our network and optimized amount of bandwdith that can be pushed across our network by reducing waste traffic. However, I've seen companies accomplish with 1 technician what it takes us to do with 3 techncians, because we added many layers of complexity to our network. This should not be taken lightly. I recommend adding the complexity and routing, as long as you ahve the skill set and budget to deal with it. Eventually, you'll benefit more beccause you did it that way. But there are other factors to consider on wether that advice is good for you. Complexity has a way of replicating time consuming tasks. For example, a complex network needs better documentation. A complex network, could be more open to getting broke by a novice techncian attempting to work on the network. A complex network could mean a small company executive may need to be held hostage by a high paid engineer in order to continue maintaining his network. A complex network may require more training of technicians which not only takes up time of the person being tought but the person doing the teaching. Details are forgot, so every complex detail that is added, increases possibilties of errors exponentially. What someone needs to do most is focus on building a cost effective network, that theycan be profitable operating. Once they are profitable, they can get more complex at that time, and decide to take on the staff. So my advice is run your business from the financial, business process, profitabilty point of view, NOT from a technican point of view. Once you are profitable, you can fix just about any network design problem with smart technicians. You can't fix a company that ran out of money. A company with a small growth rate may take years before they require the benefits of routing their network. You might find that the negatives that come along with routing and complexity cost you more customers at the end of the day than haveing a stupid network. One of the mistakes we made is we spent a lot of time protecting against the things that coupld happen, rather than the things that did happen. We conserved a heck of a lot of bandwdith, but did that really help us? We never used more than 10% of our bandwdith to date, after 4 years. (ps. maybe thats because we did such a good job with routing :-) . What I can tell you is that the number one cause that contributed to dis-satisfaction of our customers, were short duration global outages on our network. Usually it was because OSPF crashed or did not restart properly, leaving a large number of custoemrs down. It was more timely to fix, because a senior engineer was needed to troubleshoot it. So a senior engineer ALWAYs had to be on the payroll on stand-by. It was rare that these outages ever lastest more than 10 minutes, but the impact effected EVERY customer on the network behind that router in most cases. This was not a big problem, and as a company we have not lost many clients, but it has dampered our ability to keep the very high end customers that just don't settle for outages no matter how short they occur. When global outages happen they do the most damage to your company. The reason is that EVERYONE calls in to support, and their is not enough time to respond to everyone. As a result it exposes a weakness that your company is small in staff apposed to the telecom giants that have call centers large enough to handle
RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard
Thanks for the heads-up Eje. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:50:31 -0600 From: Eje Gustafsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini- PCICard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org They just finished their 6th prototype and found out some issues with the current Atheros chipsets in regards to adjustable frequency selection. They are looking at making a new prototype with the latest chipset. The cards where not estimated to be available and ready until around Jan/Feb and more then likely your not going to see any cards until Feb at this point since they have to redesign them a bit. But it's all for the better. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc Ubiquiti Distributor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard Anyone heard anything more about these 900MHz mini-PCI cards from Ubiquiti? Their web site doesn't seem to mention them IMHO, their web site is useless Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
We'd come out ahead, thats for sure. Rick Smith wrote: How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sascha Meinrath" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: "Joe Laura" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Good Service from our Distributors
To All, I would like to relate an experience to you all. I have had some bad experiences with the original smartbridges equipment that I purchased from Electro-Comm, I have had some failures and RMA'd them all back to Electro-Comm. Today I received a credit memo from them, they are replacing them all. No questions asked. Additionally, there was a mix-up on a Trango order, I ordered a 900AP but received a 5830AP, didn't even notice for 2 months when i was ready to install. So I'm self-absorbed and didn't look at the label, just put it on the shelf. Electro-Comm overnighted a 900AP and gave me an RMA for the 5830. I forgot about sending the unit back for 2 months. They have always taken my word for my senior moments, and now I have another credit for the difference. They have been great to me, and I'm so small, only have 45 users now. So they are having a show in February, I haven't been to any industry meetings or shows yet but I'm going to support them on this one. They have supported me in everything I've done with them. Way To Go Electro-Comm, and I'm not even on their payroll. Well that's enough. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA]How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernetbasedauthentication)
Why don't you meet in the middle at my house. :) Ron Wallace wrote: Blair, Could we get together sometime. I like this architecture. I am at a point, ready to expand, that this is where I need to go. I'm over near Jackson. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Service from our Distributors
I have to agree that they are a good outfit. Been dealing with them for years Trouble free!! Ron Wallace wrote: To All, I would like to relate an experience to you all. I have had some bad experiences with the original smartbridges equipment that I purchased from Electro-Comm, I have had some failures and RMA'd them all back to Electro-Comm. Today I received a credit memo from them, they are replacing them all. No questions asked. Additionally, there was a mix-up on a Trango order, I ordered a 900AP but received a 5830AP, didn't even notice for 2 months when i was ready to install. So I'm self-absorbed and didn't look at the label, just put it on the shelf. Electro-Comm overnighted a 900AP and gave me an RMA for the 5830. I forgot about sending the unit back for 2 months. They have always taken my word for my senior moments, and now I have another credit for the difference. They have been great to me, and I'm so small, only have 45 users now. So they are having a show in February, I haven't been to any industry meetings or shows yet but I'm going to support them on this one. They have supported me in everything I've done with them. Way To Go Electro-Comm, and I'm not even on their payroll. Well that's enough. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard
With all of the current 900mhz AP's and CPE out there currently a closed/proprietary system (not an 802.x open standard) for the handshaking, security, ack/nack, etc, I am curious if/how Mikrotik, StarOS, Windows, or whoever will talk to them. Has all of that programming been worked out? They won't actually be able to associate with an existing Waverider, Proxim, Trango, Tranzeo, or Alvarion, or whatever AP/CPE will they? I would assume not. I would love to deploy a 900Mhz system where I am not locked into a single source hardware providor. Open standards avoid things like getting stuck with things like Karlnet or whoever when they go out of business. If Mikrotik were to make a proprietary standard, it would be a shame (although waiting on IEEE might not be effective/appropriate), but Mikrotik is not going anywhere IMO, and its affordable enough. pd Eje Gustafsson wrote: They just finished their 6th prototype and found out some issues with the current Atheros chipsets in regards to adjustable frequency selection. They are looking at making a new prototype with the latest chipset. The cards where not estimated to be available and ready until around Jan/Feb and more then likely your not going to see any cards until Feb at this point since they have to redesign them a bit. But it's all for the better. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc Ubiquiti Distributor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard Anyone heard anything more about these 900MHz mini-PCI cards from Ubiquiti? Their web site doesn't seem to mention them IMHO, their web site is useless -- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: OK, talking about all of the ways that Trango has to fine tune the radios has me thinking. I've got two systems that I'm having some trouble with. Both are low to the ground and I'm sure I'm seeing multipath. GREAT speed tests radio to radio but poor data rates and high error rates (5% most of the time). Still much better than the wifi it's replaced but it needs to be better. I don't know the cli on these radios and don't have the time, desire or need to learn. I do need some help from someone that knows them insideout. Anyone need an hour or two of consulting to help me get these two systems polished up so that they run at full speed? thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard JohnnyO, When you can tell me you've installed In this type of noisy environment Of course every environment is different. But We have with great success with Trango. Try colocating right next to qty 5 - 929Mhz 500 watt OMNIs, and the same horizontal plain in Urban america with -60db RSSIs from them, -30db RSSIs on the top channel. Feel free to share one technical reason why the Canopy is capable of dealing with interference better than Trango. (other than personal experience, because that can not be verified or accurately debated). My guess is in your environment, you weren't taking advantage of Trango's flexibility and using the best polarity for the job. I find most noise, such as from SCADA systems, are on verticle polarity, very easy to combat with a radio like Trango that supports horizontal pol antennas on the fly. You probably were using omnis or testing with Trango default antennas. Try matching up Trango w/ Tiltek Horizontal sector w/ their convenient ext antenna port on all APs and CPEs capable to add narrow beam Yagis. Trango has 3 ways to combat interference. 1- dual pol switchable, 2- dynamic leveling to compress out noise, 3- ARQ The choice for 900 Mhz radios is florishing right now, all very high grade radios (WaveRider, Alvarion, Tranmgo, Canopy, AirSpan, WaveIP). All have their own little unique benefits that make them special. Alvarion- Mobile. WaveRider- Dual Polarity Diverity. Trango- Dual Pol switchable + ARQ + great diag tools. Canopy- easy interface w/ diag statistic for Jitter and such. But as far as surviving noise, not confident that Canopy shines in that territory above Trango. I just don't believe it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: RE:
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Many of us from far away have watched the debacle in New Oleans with a morbid fascination. Many find themselves frustrated with the corruption, incompetence, and dirty politics that have marked the aftermath of both hurricanes to pass through the area this summer. Thus, many people find themselves with a wish that it never happened... or, that it never happen again, even if it means erasing even the vestiges of NO and starting over.Even if your viewpoint doesn't match the one described above, certainly I'm sure you can relate to the wishful thinking about erasing the whole event. Still, for those of you who stuck around, or went back, and are now actively engaged in rebuilding, renewing, restoring or replacing what was... That attitude may be more than a little discouraging. As for me... courage, man. My prayers and wishes are with ya, keep up the good fight. Mark North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OFFLIST
Rick, This comment from you causes nothing but ill will and is uncalled for. I want you to apologize on the list right now and mean it. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - OK I messed up
I had a long day. This was intended to genuinely be off list. The truth is though that I do feel Rick owes this list an apology. I was hoping to not make the request for such public though. For that I am sorry to Rick and this list for making this a public issue for discussion. I still hope we see an apology from Rick. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: Rick, This comment from you causes nothing but ill will and is uncalled for. I want you to apologize on the list right now and mean it. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005
