[WISPA] Client Router selection
Wondering what routers are all of you using at client installs? What are the most reliable and so on? thanks in advance! Bo NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Client Router Selection
Wondering what routers are all of you using at client installs? What are the most reliable and so on? thanks in advance! Bo NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Update on the MUM meeting
For those interested... As we now have over 100 registered attendees for the MUM, we have upgraded our conference facility reservations to include room that can handle more than 175 people. THE SPECIAL PRE-REGISTRATION PRICE OF $50 HAS BEEN EXTENDED UNTIL ONE DAY AFTER EASTER (MONDAY THE 17TH)!!! DON'T MISS THE FIRST ANNUAL US MIKROTIK USER MEETING Come and: - learn and share your knowledge with other MikroTik users! - meet with support staff to help you plan your projects! - meet the sales staff and discuss projects! MUM (MikroTik User Meeting) details: REGISTER NOW FOR SPECIAL SAVINGS - $50 until April 17th! (price increases to $80 on April 18th) See MUM page for details: http://mum.mikrotik.com And the Training page for training info: http://training.mikrotik.com/course/view.php?id=34 No MikroTik account ID needed to register! Location: Dallas, TX, May 4-5th Registration Desk: May 3rd 4-6PM, May 4th 8-10AM Pre-meeting drinks: May 4th 6-8PM (free beer) Meeting Start: May 4th 9AM Meeting End:May 5th 5:30PM Other events included: RB112/500 raffles, 2nd night free beer, steak dinner (not included in price), demo lab tables, secure your router contest, and much more... John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re[2]: [WISPA] SR9 cards......
Hello Travis, Amen Brother Travis Trango's are good radios. I would also say Canopy fits too, but have no experience in it. Blair you are welcome to come on up and see our network, I'm in central Michigan north of Lansing. Hit me offlist if you want. Barry Monday, April 3, 2006, 10:04:26 PM, you wrote: TJ Hi, TJ I currently have 20+ Trango 900mhz AP's with omni directional antennas TJ that will push 2-3 miles NLOS without a problem. I think what you should TJ have said was I can't find a cheap enough solution to do what I want TJ instead of there is nothing available. With over 500 Trango 900mhz TJ CPE's deployed, the product works well thru heavy trees. :) TJ Travis TJ Microserv TJ Blair Davis wrote: Tony, I hope so. However, I am running out of time. Let me give you a little background. I have a 2.4GHz system running that covers most of my county. It is a mixture of 802.11 and TurboCell. The TurboCell provides back haul and service for long range clients, (3 miles), or for NLoS clients at short range. I use the 802.11 for short range, LoS clients (3 miles). This has worked well for us in the past, but, the increasing bandwidth demands are overloading our TurboCell back hauls, increasing noise levels are decreasing the usable range of our 802.11 AP's, (in one area we no longer deploy 802.11 CPE's at all, just TurboCell). I am now deploying a 5.8GHz Netstream system to replace my TurboCell back hauls. I am also looking into polled systems on 2.4GHz to replace my TurboCell CPE's and AP's. Netstream is my most likely choice here as well, but I am open to other polled systems on 2.4GHz as well. I have one PtP link using TurboCell with RF Linx 915UDC units to get thru a severe NLoS for a single user. This was a very expensive deployment and the average customer would not pay for it. I tested several 900MHz systems and found them wanting before settling on the RF Linx UDC's.. I now have several subdivisions, heavily tree infested, that want service. They will not accept large towers and antennas on each home, but they will accept a single large tower to serve the entire subdivision, so a 900MHz or less system for local distribution is the only reasonable option I can come up with. None of the existing 900MHz systems I have looked at will both provide 360deg coverage and adequate tree penetration using a single AP, and I can not justify 6 60deg AP's for a subdivision that might have 20 sign-ups total. Netstream using SR9 cards seems tailor made for this. Based on the expected ship dates for the SR9, I was expecting to begin testing the SR9/Netstream system in the next week or so and begin deployment by the end of this month. Now, it looks like I won't even be able to start testing until the end of May. Even getting a pair of the cards to begin testing with would ease my pain and that of the eagerly waiting customers I am really getting up against the wall here. My time is running out and I must find my answer soon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blair We have received samples and the cards are working well, UB wanted to make sure these radios are 100% before releasing 900Mhz is much more difficult then 2.4 or even 5Ghz. It will be worth the wait. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
I've had good luck with Linksys. Gotta change the lan ip to something non standard though. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bo Hamilton To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] Client Router selection Wondering what routers are all of you using at client installs? What are the most reliable and so on? thanks in advance! Bo NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
We have good luck with Linksys. If the customer is a larger business client or someone who needs higher reliability and better features we often load up Mikrotik on a Routerboard or WRAP board. Scriv Bo Hamilton wrote: Wondering what routers are all of you using at client installs? What are the most reliable and so on? thanks in advance! Bo NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
Sorry to answer my own post but I should also mention that if I ever have a larger enterprise client (like a college, hospital, etc.) that needs a bullet-proof routing solution I will likely sell them Imagestream. My next big router for my core will be an Imagestream. Everyone I speak to about them say they are the best out there at any price. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: We have good luck with Linksys. If the customer is a larger business client or someone who needs higher reliability and better features we often load up Mikrotik on a Routerboard or WRAP board. Scriv Bo Hamilton wrote: Wondering what routers are all of you using at client installs? What are the most reliable and so on? thanks in advance! Bo NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
The best at any price doesn't seem to fit here. You only choose a commodity router to save money. I don't know anything about Imagestream specifically, but I certainly looked into Linux-based routers. In fact, we even ran Linux-based routers initially before going Cisco. We didn't blindly go with Cisco like many companies either. We looked long and hard at what every major vendor had to offer and ultimately went with Cisco. Certainly there aren't any Linux-based routers that out perform high-end Cisco routers, but that wasn't the most important part. The ability to support features such as MPLS, find labor resources familiar with Cisco, and ultimately being able to finance the gear make Cisco the clear choice. -Matt John Scrivner wrote: Sorry to answer my own post but I should also mention that if I ever have a larger enterprise client (like a college, hospital, etc.) that needs a bullet-proof routing solution I will likely sell them Imagestream. My next big router for my core will be an Imagestream. Everyone I speak to about them say they are the best out there at any price. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: We have good luck with Linksys. If the customer is a larger business client or someone who needs higher reliability and better features we often load up Mikrotik on a Routerboard or WRAP board. Scriv Bo Hamilton wrote: Wondering what routers are all of you using at client installs? What are the most reliable and so on? thanks in advance! Bo NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
On Tue, April 4, 2006 12:24 pm, John Scrivner wrote: Sorry to answer my own post but I should also mention that if I ever have a larger enterprise client (like a college, hospital, etc.) that needs a bullet-proof routing solution I will likely sell them Imagestream. My next big router for my core will be an Imagestream. Everyone I speak to about them say they are the best out there at any price. Obviously, it depends on the customer. Chances are, anyone THAT big will have their own in-house IT staff, and will want to do things their own way. Chances are that means Cisco gear. If they want to pay for it, I can probably make it work... It'd have to be an awfully big customer to justify even an Imagestream, though, much less a Cisco. WRAPs and RouterBoard 200s can reliably handle traffic up to 15Mbps or so, and probably even more if the board is just routing (i.e. you're not also using it with a radio card to connect to something else). Plus, if you get those sekzi finished WRAP cases that Eje sells, it just looks so darn cool. If you were so inclined, you could probably make little stickers that say Cisco PIX, put one on the case, and most customers would be none the wiser. It's about the same size and everything... :) Heck, this email comes to you by way of an old Celeron 1.3GHz PC that's routing our whole network, over 25Mbps at peak times, that never goes over about 10% CPU utilization, running Mikrotik RouterOS. If it's good enough for WISPA, it's probably good enough for most of your customers. I'd love to have a Cisco in that role, but the only real differences would be: * Access to Cisco TAC for support * Paying about ten times the cost The money I save will buy me a LOT of mailing lists and forums posts if I ever need help. :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
All of our system routers are MikroTik OS on PC hardware. As well as our T1 interfaces. We are rapidly moving to deploying a small MikroTik at our towers as well. As to customer routers, we tend to use Netgear. But, if the customer provides another unit, we will set that up for them. David E. Smith wrote: On Tue, April 4, 2006 12:24 pm, John Scrivner wrote: Sorry to answer my own post but I should also mention that if I ever have a larger enterprise client (like a college, hospital, etc.) that needs a bullet-proof routing solution I will likely sell them Imagestream. My next big router for my core will be an Imagestream. Everyone I speak to about them say they are the best out there at any price. Obviously, it depends on the customer. Chances are, anyone THAT big will have their own in-house IT staff, and will want to do things their own way. Chances are that means Cisco gear. If they want to pay for it, I can probably make it work... It'd have to be an awfully big customer to justify even an Imagestream, though, much less a Cisco. WRAPs and RouterBoard 200s can reliably handle traffic up to 15Mbps or so, and probably even more if the board is "just" routing (i.e. you're not also using it with a radio card to connect to something else). Plus, if you get those sekzi finished WRAP cases that Eje sells, it just looks so darn cool. If you were so inclined, you could probably make little stickers that say "Cisco PIX", put one on the case, and most customers would be none the wiser. It's about the same size and everything... :) Heck, this email comes to you by way of an old Celeron 1.3GHz PC that's routing our whole network, over 25Mbps at peak times, that never goes over about 10% CPU utilization, running Mikrotik RouterOS. If it's good enough for WISPA, it's probably good enough for most of your customers. I'd love to have a Cisco in that role, but the only real differences would be: * Access to Cisco TAC for support * Paying about ten times the cost The money I save will buy me a LOT of mailing lists and forums posts if I ever need help. :) David Smith MVN.net -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Dish mount
I know this has been talked about before, but I can't find it. Where is the best place to get the DSS type Dish arms/mounts? I am looking to pay $6-$8 Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dish mount
I get mine from my local satellite installer - pack of 10 for $30. - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Dish mount I know this has been talked about before, but I can't find it. Where is the best place to get the DSS type Dish arms/mounts? I am looking to pay $6-$8 Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
there's an AP with EXT only ?Price diff ? John Seaman wrote: yes... the recently announced AP trade-in program applies to both the 5830 AP with integrated antenna as well as this new EXT version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victoria Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for shipment in about a week. It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from Radiowaves. Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street. - They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as a transition - They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs - Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace them I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP. That would be nice to hear about... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-( I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP. What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP. I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing. But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is a usable or non usable OFDM product. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's... On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150. This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
RE: [WISPA] SR9 cards......
Blair What price points are you looking at for this setup? For now we are looking at these more for a back haul where you can get 2.4Ghz into a an area that is otherwise hard to reach. We are working on a 900Mhz CPE design also and hope to have is ready by Q2 using a lower cost design but still need to do more testing. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR9 cards.. Tony, I hope so. However, I am running out of time. Let me give you a little background. I have a 2.4GHz system running that covers most of my county. It is a mixture of 802.11 and TurboCell. The TurboCell provides back haul and service for long range clients, (3 miles), or for NLoS clients at short range. I use the 802.11 for short range, LoS clients (3 miles). This has worked well for us in the past, but, the increasing bandwidth demands are overloading our TurboCell back hauls, increasing noise levels are decreasing the usable range of our 802.11 AP's, (in one area we no longer deploy 802.11 CPE's at all, just TurboCell). I am now deploying a 5.8GHz Netstream system to replace my TurboCell back hauls. I am also looking into polled systems on 2.4GHz to replace my TurboCell CPE's and AP's. Netstream is my most likely choice here as well, but I am open to other polled systems on 2.4GHz as well. I have one PtP link using TurboCell with RF Linx 915UDC units to get thru a severe NLoS for a single user. This was a very expensive deployment and the average customer would not pay for it. I tested several 900MHz systems and found them wanting before settling on the RF Linx UDC's.. I now have several subdivisions, heavily tree infested, that want service. They will not accept large towers and antennas on each home, but they will accept a single large tower to serve the entire subdivision, so a 900MHz or less system for local distribution is the only reasonable option I can come up with. None of the existing 900MHz systems I have looked at will both provide 360deg coverage and adequate tree penetration using a single AP, and I can not justify 6 60deg AP's for a subdivision that might have 20 sign-ups total. Netstream using SR9 cards seems tailor made for this. Based on the expected ship dates for the SR9, I was expecting to begin testing the SR9/Netstream system in the next week or so and begin deployment by the end of this month. Now, it looks like I won't even be able to start testing until the end of May. Even getting a pair of the cards to begin testing with would ease my pain and that of the eagerly waiting customers I am really getting up against the wall here. My time is running out and I must find my answer soon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blair We have received samples and the cards are working well, UB wanted to make sure these radios are 100% before releasing 900Mhz is much more difficult then 2.4 or even 5Ghz. It will be worth the wait. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 4:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] SR9 cards.. It seems that the delivery date on the SR9 cards from Ubiquiti Networks is now the 2nd
RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion, since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also based on a similar chipset) Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't operate in 5 GHz -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX? Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will be available with Aperto and Airspan. What do you know Charles? George Charles Wu wrote: Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion, since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also based on a similar chipset) Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't operate in 5 GHz -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX? Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dish mount
Brian, There is a local provider that you can get them from. Hit me off list, this address or on my cell tonight or tommorrow at my office. Blair Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I know this has been talked about before, but I can't find it. Where is the best place to get the DSS type Dish arms/mounts? I am looking to pay $6-$8 Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
Neat trick... considering... There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile. Because there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests. Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability tests, there cannot be any WiMAX 5.8 GHz products certified as having completed the tests and declared interoperable. And, unless a product has been through the interoperability tests and declared interoperable, it cannot use the WiMAX brand name. Nope - no _5.8 GHz_ (license-exempt is assumed) WiMAX products. PERHAPS by year end... but I suspect it will be longer given that the vendors are going to be VERY busy selling all the 3.5 GHz (licensed, non-US markets) gear they can make AND getting Mobile WiMAX out will consume the available interoperability testing facilities and the attentions of the Mobile portions of the WiMAX industry. 5.8 GHz WiMAX is kind of an afterthought at the moment for the WiMAX industry. Thanks, Steve On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:37, jeffrey thomas wrote: George, Yes there is. Airspan and Aperto both have products and are taking orders now. - Jeff On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:16:46 -0700, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX? Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks George --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I guess we do not count
Here is a copy of a report from Reuters regarding the latest results on
FCC Form 477 totals. As you can see we are not even mentioned. I guess
those of you who decided we should not fill out the form got what you
wantedobscurity and no credit.
Broadband lines jump 32 pct in new US FCC report
Monday 3 April 2006, 4:29pm EST
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WASHINGTON, April 3 (Reuters) - The number of U.S. subscribers to
broadband high-speed Internet service jumped 32.3 percent to 42.9
million lines in the year ended June 2005, the Federal Communications
Commission reported on Monday.
The number of broadband lines jumped 10.4 million lines over the
12-month period, 5 million of which were added during the second half of
that period, the FCC said in a new report.
The United States ranks 12th in the world for broadband subscribers,
according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
U.S. officials say other countries have subsidized service and people
live in concentrated areas that are easier to serve.
Given the geographic and demographic diversity of our nation, the U.S.
is doing exceptionally well, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said in an
opinion piece published in the Financial Times newspaper on Monday.
U.S. cable and telephone companies are engaged in a fierce battle to
offer customers a suite of communications services.
The majority of broadband connections, 61 percent, were via cable modem
service offered by companies like Comcast Corp. (CMCSA.O: Quote
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while more than 37 percent were digital subscriber lines (DSL) offered
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DSL is less expensive than cable Internet service but offers slower
download speeds. The vast majority of cable customers receive between
2.5 megabits per second (Mbps) and 10 MBPS in at least one direction
while most DSL customers get between 200 kilobits per second and 2.5
Mbps, the FCC said.
The FCC last August eased regulations on DSL service for residential
customers and last month took steps to lift some rules on business
customers for Verizon Communications (VZ.N: Quote
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Other companies, like ATT, plan to apply for similar relief for their
business services.
To give more Americans access to broadband, we need to encourage this
kind of infrastructure investment, not discourage it with burdensome
regulations, Martin said.
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Re: [WISPA] I guess we do not count
John Scrivner wrote: WASHINGTON, April 3 (Reuters) - The number of U.S. subscribers to broadband high-speed Internet service jumped 32.3 percent to 42.9 million lines in the year ended June 2005, the Federal Communications Commission reported on Monday. These figures were collected almost a year ago: between April and June of 2005. The data is almost a year old. When the data recently collected is published next year, you may be included. Government calculators are slow. Regards, Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
I'm noticing more and more WISP's selling their wireless broadband service as DSL or Wireless DSL. I know that 75% of the people who call our sales number have a difficult time understanding what Wireless Broadband is. They already know what DSL is and that is what the majority of them ask for so I would be interested in hearing everyone's opinions on the pros and cons of a WISP labeling their wireless broadband service as DSL, wDSL or Wireless DSL instead of Fixed Wireless, WiFI or Wireless Broadband. If the masses are more familiar with the term DSL then I think we would generate more sales leads by advertising our (WISPs') broadband as DSL instead of Wireless Broadband. I'm sure the local telco would just love to see all of us selling DSL. Are there any legalities to this? Does wireless broadband qualify as DSL or a form of DSL in the eyes of the law? Is it legal for a WISP to sell their wireless broadband service as DSL? Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky http://www.KyWiFi.com http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com Phone: 859.274.4033 A Broadband Phone Internet Provider == Wireless Broadband, Local Calling and UNLIMITED Long Distance only $69! No Taxes, No Regulatory Fees, No Hassles FREE Site Survey: http://www.KyWiFi.com == -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
Indeed. Alvarion is not expected to request wimax certification until they determine a WIMAX approved QOS mechanism, at least thats what I have heard as well. - Jeff On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion, since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also based on a similar chipset) Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't operate in 5 GHz -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX? Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
George, I am sure there will be others, but likely the first will be Airspan ( May is Beta ) and Aperto ( shipping in June ). Redline likely will have product as well, but based on the fact that both Aperto and Airspan have considerable experience with QOS PTMP, I would think they will have the only great product out there. As well, on the CPE front, there are a number of taiwanese ODM's expected to announce sub 300 dollar integrated CPE. - Jeff On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:28 PM, George wrote: Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will be available with Aperto and Airspan. What do you know Charles? George Charles Wu wrote: Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion, since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also based on a similar chipset) Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't operate in 5 GHz -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX? Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping product ( and are taking pre orders ) that will comply with the testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion, yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet. - Jeff On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Steve Stroh wrote: Neat trick... considering... There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile. Because there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests. Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability tests, there cannot be any WiMAX 5.8 GHz products certified as having completed the tests and declared interoperable. And, unless a product has been through the interoperability tests and declared interoperable, it cannot use the WiMAX brand name. Nope - no _5.8 GHz_ (license-exempt is assumed) WiMAX products. PERHAPS by year end... but I suspect it will be longer given that the vendors are going to be VERY busy selling all the 3.5 GHz (licensed, non-US markets) gear they can make AND getting Mobile WiMAX out will consume the available interoperability testing facilities and the attentions of the Mobile portions of the WiMAX industry. 5.8 GHz WiMAX is kind of an afterthought at the moment for the WiMAX industry. Thanks, Steve On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:37, jeffrey thomas wrote: George, Yes there is. Airspan and Aperto both have products and are taking orders now. - Jeff On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:16:46 -0700, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX? Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks George --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
We find we can NOT sell our service as Wireless Broadband As soon as we market it to customers as DSL or just plain High Speed Internet, we start scoring. Too many in this area have been educated against Open WIFI being BAD... The cable we install to the radio is a line, right ? It carries digital signals, right ? It allows our customer to become a subscriber, right ? DSL... ;) KyWiFi LLC wrote: I'm noticing more and more WISP's selling their wireless broadband service as DSL or Wireless DSL. I know that 75% of the people who call our sales number have a difficult time understanding what Wireless Broadband is. They already know what DSL is and that is what the majority of them ask for so I would be interested in hearing everyone's opinions on the pros and cons of a WISP labeling their wireless broadband service as DSL, wDSL or Wireless DSL instead of Fixed Wireless, WiFI or Wireless Broadband. If the masses are more familiar with the term DSL then I think we would generate more sales leads by advertising our (WISPs') broadband as DSL instead of Wireless Broadband. I'm sure the local telco would just love to see all of us selling DSL. Are there any legalities to this? Does wireless broadband qualify as DSL or a form of DSL in the eyes of the law? Is it legal for a WISP to sell their wireless broadband service as DSL? Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky http://www.KyWiFi.com http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com Phone: 859.274.4033 A Broadband Phone Internet Provider == Wireless Broadband, Local Calling and UNLIMITED Long Distance only $69! No Taxes, No Regulatory Fees, No Hassles FREE Site Survey: http://www.KyWiFi.com == -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Router selection
Thanks everyone for all the great posts Bo On 4/4/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of our system routers are MikroTik OS on PC hardware. As well as our T1 interfaces.We are rapidly moving to deploying a small MikroTik at our towers as well.As to customer routers, we tend to use Netgear. But, if the customer provides another unit, we will set that up for them. David E. Smith wrote: On Tue, April 4, 2006 12:24 pm, John Scrivner wrote: Sorry to answer my own post but I should also mention that if I ever have a larger enterprise client (like a college, hospital, etc.) that needs a bullet-proof routing solution I will likely sell them Imagestream. My next big router for my core will be an Imagestream. Everyone I speak to about them say they are the best out there at any price. Obviously, it depends on the customer. Chances are, anyone THAT big will have their own in-house IT staff, and will want to do things their own way. Chances are that means Cisco gear. If they want to pay for it, I can probably make it work... It'd have to be an awfully big customer to justify even an Imagestream, though, much less a Cisco. WRAPs and RouterBoard 200s can reliably handle traffic up to 15Mbps or so, and probably even more if the board is just routing (i.e. you're not also using it with a radio card to connect to something else). Plus, if you get those sekzi finished WRAP cases that Eje sells, it just looks so darn cool. If you were so inclined, you could probably make little stickers that say Cisco PIX, put one on the case, and most customers would be none the wiser. It's about the same size and everything... :) Heck, this email comes to you by way of an old Celeron 1.3GHz PC that's routing our whole network, over 25Mbps at peak times, that never goes over about 10% CPU utilization, running Mikrotik RouterOS. If it's good enough for WISPA, it's probably good enough for most of your customers. I'd love to have a Cisco in that role, but the only real differences would be: * Access to Cisco TAC for support * Paying about ten times the cost The money I save will buy me a LOT of mailing lists and forums posts if I ever need help. :) David Smith MVN.net -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
