Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: customer's location via speakeasy! grin Maybe I'll see if Butch can come up with something that will choke people back after 10 minutes of anything over say, 2 megs, then slow them down down down till they stop using the net for an hour or two. Wonder how hard it would be to set up the MT boxes to do that? Not too hard for TCP for sure...For other protocols, it can probably be accomplished, but I've never tried that. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology
Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology By kpaul, Section BSU Posted on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:46:47 AM EST By Anthony Romano MUNCIE, IN - The wireless world will be watching Ball State's Office of Wireless Research and Mapping (OWRM) closely as it becomes among the first to test and deploy WiMAX technology in the United States. Using a six-month experimental license granted by the FCC, the OWRM is partnering with Alvarion and Digital Bridge Communications to test WiMAX technology on equipment at 3.5GHz, a frequency used outside of the United States. Testing is being done at this higher frequency because there is currently no equipment available for testing at 2.5 GHz, a frequency that will be used to provide broadband services such as cell phones and Internet in the United States in the coming months. The goal is to find out as much about this technology as possible, and then begin sharing the information with others who are anxiously awaiting for 2.5GHz WiMAX technology to arrive, said O'Neal Smitherman, Ball State's vice president for information technology. Researchers from OWRM are putting the WiMAX technology through a variety of tests in order to find out more about connectivity, throughput, capacity, signal strength and penetration inside the home under variables such as weather, trees, elevation and distance. Smitherman says several telecommunications companies have already expressed interest in the test results because of valuable information it will provide in the future development of broadband services to more rural and underserved areas of the country. Through testing and deployment over the next 90 days, we will be able to examine the performance of the WiMAX platform based on the IEEE 802.16 standard, as well as have an opportunity to fine tune our GIS mapping capability using real data, said Smitherman. This will give us the data needed to accurately predict and map signal coverage anywhere. Digital Bridge Communications, a provider of broadband wireless services to rural and underserved communities, will assist the OWRM in the testing and deployment of true WiMAX technology. Equipment being used for testing comes from Alvarion, the world's largest manufacturer of wireless broadband. Afterimage GIS, a company that specializes in RF modeling, design and market analysis will also assist in the study. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Check with your CPA on that. The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the sole proprietor tax schedule. (It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation). - Peter Tom DeReggi wrote: Zero. When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a repayment of loan? The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed wether they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?
I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps. Sounds like they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 2.6 G licenses inexpensively. Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in NLOS environments? Thanks - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help
Marlon, You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage. And, yeah, people do like. Mario Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We don't put everyone on Postini. We charge those that want the filtering $1 per month. Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high to just include automatically. Instead, we make money on spam. I'd say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take Postini. We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini. No one wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially. Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Postini Partner Reseller http://wispa.spam-virus.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to keep billing per bit. It's, by far, the most effective way to compete against cable and dsl. It's also a good way to push the hogs over to competing services. Our average user is running at about 1.7 gigs per month. This includes all of my servers and the mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month. So I'll bet that the average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help
Can you explain this in more detail? I am not quite following you on this. Thanks, Scriv Mario Pommier wrote: Marlon, You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage. And, yeah, people do like. Mario Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We don't put everyone on Postini. We charge those that want the filtering $1 per month. Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high to just include automatically. Instead, we make money on spam. I'd say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take Postini. We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini. No one wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially. Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Postini Partner Reseller http://wispa.spam-virus.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to keep billing per bit. It's, by far, the most effective way to compete against cable and dsl. It's also a good way to push the hogs over to competing services. Our average user is running at about 1.7 gigs per month. This includes all of my servers and the mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month. So I'll bet that the average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?
If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps. Sounds like they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 2.6 G licenses inexpensively. Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in NLOS environments? Thanks - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?
It is not WiMax but a similar proprietary fixed wireless platform which takes advantage of OFDM, higher power and exclusive use of bandwidth in 2.5 GHz. It was created before there was WiMax. I have never used the product but have heard others speak favorably of it. Scriv Gino A. Villarini wrote: If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps. Sounds like they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 2.6 G licenses inexpensively. Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in NLOS environments? Thanks - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?
Sure is NextNet, Both of us are in the same hut. The DC injectors say NextNet Wireless and so do the ODU's when I climb past them Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps. Sounds like they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 2.6 G licenses inexpensively. Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in NLOS environments? Thanks - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Daytona, FL referral
I have a customer in Daytona, FL that needs better than DSL upload speeds and QOS if possible. If anybody on the list is covering that area please contact me offlist. Thank you. Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?
I heard from a customer that they have issues with distance. One of his neighbors was attempting to use their service, but it wasn't working correctly, even though it was fully LOS. As best I can tell, they're more money around here, less bandwidth, and have trouble beyond 12 miles??? Then again, that's rumor, of course. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps. Sounds like they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 2.6 G licenses inexpensively. Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in NLOS environments? Thanks - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member!
Aren't the current WISP dues like $250 ish / year? (that really isn't that much) --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member! It also means that at some point organization will have to be established with committees to handle recruiting new, paid members; vendors; etc. Vendors need to get ROI - pay back on the membership fee. Vendors need member support, just as members need Vendor support. If you have a favorite vendor, why not ask them to join WISPA? It's your org and you need to help it grow and thrive as well. (It's not just the Board who's unpaid job it is to do all the heavy lifting). I have been on the Board at 2 ISP associations (names withheld on purpose :). Members always complain about the dues. My suggestion was that we reduce the dues based on hours spent working for the ORG. So if you were active on 2 committees, perhaps your dues were reduced by 50 or 65%. Just a thought to bat around. Same with a vendor. Some vendors cannot cost justify $1000 per year. For instance, a DSL modem company would have to move 1000 modems or more to ROI the membership fee. Just some early morning ramblings. - Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Mac Dearman wrote: Welcome Jeff - J.C and whole ImageStream gang! I don't know what the rest of you guys/gal's think, but to me - - WISPA is gaining ground, industry recognition and respect amongst our peer's. When we have quality vendors (such as we have) coming on-board it tells me that we will soon have the tools in the arsenal to really make a huge difference in the industry that we are a part of. The future looks very bright - indeed. Mac Dearman -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary Check with your CPA on that. The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the sole proprietor tax schedule. (It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation). I think you are on the mark here... according to what I picked up through my Business Planning coursework, the IRS has fairly consistently applied a reasonableness test to the salary of a CEO who is also a majority shareholder. But reasonable is a fairly broad term. Zero would not be reasonable in any case, but $10,000 or more might meet the reasonableness standard for companies with limited revenues. On the other hand, if your company is turning $1MM in sales, you better be paying your full time CEO substantially more than $10,000 because the IRS will see right through that ploy. In addition, if you try to pay the CEO through an incentive program (dividends or stock options) in lieu of salary, the IRS will treat the capital-gains as real income and will tax the CEO at the higher personal rate. You have to provide a balance of salary and other non-salary incentives in order to get the maximum tax advantage. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help
Postini has what is called, non-account bouncing and it will allow those accounts not in the Postini data base to be passed through. Another benefit is that Postini will filter all non-accounts for viruses using two filtering engines, McAfee and Authentium. If McAfee finds an email clean, it will be also be scanned by Authentium. With non-account bouncing, you can also see those email accounts via reporting and see how much data they pass on to your system. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Postini Partner Reseller http://wispa.spam-virus.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you explain this in more detail? I am not quite following you on this. Thanks, Scriv Mario Pommier wrote: Marlon, You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage. And, yeah, people do like. Mario Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We don't put everyone on Postini. We charge those that want the filtering $1 per month. Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high to just include automatically. Instead, we make money on spam. I'd say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take Postini. We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini. No one wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member!
Vendors pay $1000 per year and get to advertise directly to list members. We seem to have much better luck showing vendors the value of paid membership than the very people we serve most, namely the WISP operators. We are getting some new operators from time to time and we appreciate each and every one of them. What is important for us all to understand is that we will really start to see much more opportunity for the collective once we see a higher number of operators joining the organization formally. If you are a WISP and you use this list or other WISPA provided resources then please go to http://signup.wispa.org and signup to become a member of the organization. It takes about two minutes of your time and $250 once a year. We will send you the invoice and directions for your next steps once you signup for membership. WISPA belongs to all of you (WISP operators) so please show your support. Signup today. Thanks guys, John Scrivner President WISPA Charles Wu wrote: Aren't the current WISP dues like $250 ish / year? (that really isn't that much) --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Welcome Imagestream - WISPA's Newest Vendor Member! It also means that at some point organization will have to be established with committees to handle recruiting new, paid members; vendors; etc. Vendors need to get ROI - pay back on the membership fee. Vendors need member support, just as members need Vendor support. If you have a favorite vendor, why not ask them to join WISPA? It's your org and you need to help it grow and thrive as well. (It's not just the Board who's unpaid job it is to do all the heavy lifting). I have been on the Board at 2 ISP associations (names withheld on purpose :). Members always complain about the dues. My suggestion was that we reduce the dues based on hours spent working for the ORG. So if you were active on 2 committees, perhaps your dues were reduced by 50 or 65%. Just a thought to bat around. Same with a vendor. Some vendors cannot cost justify $1000 per year. For instance, a DSL modem company would have to move 1000 modems or more to ROI the membership fee. Just some early morning ramblings. - Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Mac Dearman wrote: Welcome Jeff - J.C and whole ImageStream gang! I don't know what the rest of you guys/gal's think, but to me - - WISPA is gaining ground, industry recognition and respect amongst our peer's. When we have quality vendors (such as we have) coming on-board it tells me that we will soon have the tools in the arsenal to really make a huge difference in the industry that we are a part of. The future looks very bright - indeed. Mac Dearman -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min. Takes that shape memory right out of them. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
I've got a roll of it I'll give you REAL cheap (it's been sitting in the warehouse for over a year now) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
We just deployed on two water towers, and ran 25 pair cables on both. We have 8 port patch panels (from Skywalker) and a total of 14 cables on one tower. We have deployed AP's and backhauls to almost fill up the boxes. It works great. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 5:10 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/technology/google/index.htm Google leaders stick with $1 salary According to the search engine's latest proxy filing, Eric Schmidt, Larry Page and Sergey Brin each turned down a raise. By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com senior writer March 31, 2006: 4:38 PM EST NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Google's co-founders and chief executive officer were offered a raise this year by the company's compensation committee, but the three turned it down and are sticking with their current annual salary of $1. The search engine company made the disclosure in its proxy statement, which was filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. CEO Eric Schmidt and co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin first requested that their salary be cut to $1 in the second quarter of 2004, just before the company's initial public offering. Prior to that, Schmidt was making $250,000 a year while Page and Brin each earned a salary of $150,000. In Friday's filing, Google (Research) said that due to our continued strong performance, the leadership by Eric, Sergey and Larry throughout the year, and below-market cash compensation levels, the Committee determined that an increase in cash compensation opportunities was merited, and we offered Eric, Sergey and Larry an increase in salary and bonus for 2006. The company added that Schmidt, Page and Brin turned the offer down because their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests. According to the filing, Schmidt owns about 12.45 million shares of Google, which are worth about $4.86 billion based on the company's most recent stock price. Brin owns about 31.6 million Google shares and Page owns a little more than 32 million shares. So their stakes are each worth more than $12 billion based on current stock prices. Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check with your CPA on that. The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the sole proprietor tax schedule. (It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation). - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you are on the mark here... according to what I picked up through my Business Planning coursework, the IRS has fairly consistently applied a reasonableness test to the salary of a CEO who is also a majority shareholder. But reasonable is a fairly broad term. Zero would not be reasonable in any case, but $10,000 or more might meet the reasonableness standard for companies with limited revenues. On the other hand, if your company is turning $1MM in sales, you better be paying your full time CEO substantially more than $10,000 because the IRS will see right through that ploy. In addition, if you try to pay the CEO through an incentive program (dividends or stock options) in lieu of salary, the IRS will treat the capital-gains as real income and will tax the CEO at the higher personal rate. You have to provide a balance of salary and other non-salary incentives in order to get the maximum tax advantage. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
do you have enough room to tape them dudes in place? works well for me. On 12/15/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min. Takes that shape memory right out of them. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
Short term solution , kinda costly though, is use jb weld while the piggy is plugged into the card on your work bench and the next day you will have a permanantly affixed pigtail on that card. Im pretty positive the piggy won't be coming loose. I did this to a couple of cm9's a year ago and no problems. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
I have used hotglue to keep the connectors in place. I wish I could say it gets done everytime, but I don't think it does. It really isn't hard to get the glue off of the board if you need to switch a card. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails do you have enough room to tape them dudes in place? works well for me. On 12/15/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min. Takes that shape memory right out of them. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --
RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Yeah...66 blocks or 110? Charles, if Brian doesn't want your cable, I may be interested...give him dibs, though... ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
What sources are you using to piece this kit together? Brian Mike Delp wrote: We just deployed on two water towers, and ran 25 pair cables on both. We have 8 port patch panels (from Skywalker) and a total of 14 cables on one tower. We have deployed AP's and backhauls to almost fill up the boxes. It works great. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
Ditto on the hot glue. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Rick Harnish wrote: I have used hotglue to keep the connectors in place. I wish I could say it gets done everytime, but I don't think it does. It really isn't hard to get the glue off of the board if you need to switch a card. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Google is a C Corp, not an LLC or an S Corp. Big difference. Frank Muto wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/technology/google/index.htm Google leaders stick with $1 salary According to the search engine's latest proxy filing, Eric Schmidt, Larry Page and Sergey Brin each turned down a raise. By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com senior writer March 31, 2006: 4:38 PM EST NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Google's co-founders and chief executive officer were offered a raise this year by the company's compensation committee, but the three turned it down and are sticking with their current annual salary of $1. The search engine company made the disclosure in its proxy statement, which was filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. CEO Eric Schmidt and co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin first requested that their salary be cut to $1 in the second quarter of 2004, just before the company's initial public offering. Prior to that, Schmidt was making $250,000 a year while Page and Brin each earned a salary of $150,000. In Friday's filing, Google (Research) said that due to our continued strong performance, the leadership by Eric, Sergey and Larry throughout the year, and below-market cash compensation levels, the Committee determined that an increase in cash compensation opportunities was merited, and we offered Eric, Sergey and Larry an increase in salary and bonus for 2006. The company added that Schmidt, Page and Brin turned the offer down because their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests. According to the filing, Schmidt owns about 12.45 million shares of Google, which are worth about $4.86 billion based on the company's most recent stock price. Brin owns about 31.6 million Google shares and Page owns a little more than 32 million shares. So their stakes are each worth more than $12 billion based on current stock prices. Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Can't get the attachment on the list... Offlist, maybe? URL, maybe? Thanks! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
StarOS has the ability to run a VDS tunnel from any two StarOS V3 devices. That will enable you to run a 128 or 256 bit AES encrypted tunnel. If memory serves me correctly, Lonnie is able to get 15mbps or more out of that type of setup? If you're worried about interference, try x2 or x4 cloaking on the 5GHz bands. I'm getting ready to install a dedicated T1 replacement, the customer was worried about security. The ability to encrypt with AES won them over. I should have said 3 WAR boards, not RADIOS, sorry about the confusion. The amount of radios you use is up to you, but you would want atleast 4 radio cards for what you're trying to do. On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this NOC war with one antenna and radio at 5.8GHz to connect with the middle POP war dual 2 radios 2 antennas at 5.8GHz and finally the customer POP war and what about security the guy ask me to doit secure meaning not easy for the folks. (he knows total security its an utopia a Guajiro dream!!) Lonnie Nunweiler escribió: My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap. Even a couple of subscribers will make it pay. At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to point to main and the remote end. If you want some local service at that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Your choice. The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use. This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either end. You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each end and potentially the middle. Lonnie On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
[WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!
Wind storms came through last night. Power out at 6 sites this morning, various power companies. Started at 6 this morning...Put in 2 generators, purchased 8 marine batteries and patched them into my APC UPS units. 2 sites now still running on batteries, 2 on generators. Will be a late night I think... George, I would imagine you guys had it worse out there on the coast... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
Hate those things, don't know why anyone uses them. I'm up here in the great white north (Canada) and we can on ocations see temps as low as -40. I try and avoid the ufl;s but when I have to use them we always glue them down to the board to prevent them from coming off, I don't trust them at all. Erik Tom DeReggi wrote: T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
How many feet do you have? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 I've got a roll of it I'll give you REAL cheap (it's been sitting in the warehouse for over a year now) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] salary
Google is a PUBLICLY TRADED C Corp... even a bigger difference. :) Travis Peter R. wrote: Google is a C Corp, not an LLC or an S Corp. Big difference. Frank Muto wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/31/technology/google/index.htm Google leaders stick with $1 salary According to the search engine's latest proxy filing, Eric Schmidt, Larry Page and Sergey Brin each turned down a raise. By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com senior writer March 31, 2006: 4:38 PM EST NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Google's co-founders and chief executive officer were offered a raise this year by the company's compensation committee, but the three turned it down and are sticking with their current annual salary of $1. The search engine company made the disclosure in its proxy statement, which was filed Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. CEO Eric Schmidt and co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin first requested that their salary be cut to $1 in the second quarter of 2004, just before the company's initial public offering. Prior to that, Schmidt was making $250,000 a year while Page and Brin each earned a salary of $150,000. In Friday's filing, Google (Research) said that due to our continued strong performance, the leadership by Eric, Sergey and Larry throughout the year, and below-market cash compensation levels, the Committee determined that an increase in cash compensation opportunities was merited, and we offered Eric, Sergey and Larry an increase in salary and bonus for 2006. The company added that Schmidt, Page and Brin turned the offer down because their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests. According to the filing, Schmidt owns about 12.45 million shares of Google, which are worth about $4.86 billion based on the company's most recent stock price. Brin owns about 31.6 million Google shares and Page owns a little more than 32 million shares. So their stakes are each worth more than $12 billion based on current stock prices. Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help
How would one go about implementing Marlon's idea in MT? Just started using it and any tips are appreciated. - Marshall On 12/14/06, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: customer's location via speakeasy! grin Maybe I'll see if Butch can come up with something that will choke people back after 10 minutes of anything over say, 2 megs, then slow them down down down till they stop using the net for an hour or two. Wonder how hard it would be to set up the MT boxes to do that? Not too hard for TCP for sure...For other protocols, it can probably be accomplished, but I've never tried that. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
Hi, We use a standard hot glue gun... then you can get it back off if you have to, but it holds until then. :) Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: Short term solution , kinda costly though, is use jb weld while the piggy is plugged into the card on your work bench and the next day you will have a permanantly affixed pigtail on that card. Im pretty positive the piggy won't be coming loose. I did this to a couple of cm9's a year ago and no problems. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help
And how would I do that? Last I knew, Postini wanted to get paid too. grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mario Pommier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help Marlon, You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage. And, yeah, people do like. Mario Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We don't put everyone on Postini. We charge those that want the filtering $1 per month. Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high to just include automatically. Instead, we make money on spam. I'd say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take Postini. We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini. No one wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially. Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Postini Partner Reseller http://wispa.spam-virus.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to keep billing per bit. It's, by far, the most effective way to compete against cable and dsl. It's also a good way to push the hogs over to competing services. Our average user is running at about 1.7 gigs per month. This includes all of my servers and the mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month. So I'll bet that the average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
