Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] failing Canopy 900
I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Hi Brian, See this thread Balancing your RF levels to get the best RF performancehttp://motorola.canopywireless.com/support/community/viewtopic.php?t=2827start=0postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=power+balance in the Canopy forums: *http://tinyurl.com/28re8d* Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Thanks, I read it and yes, my SMs are balanced, or were, until the AP died. Brian Dylan Oliver wrote: Hi Brian, See this thread Balancing your RF levels to get the best RF performancehttp://motorola.canopywireless.com/support/community/viewtopic.php?t=2827start=0postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=power+balance in the Canopy forums: *http://tinyurl.com/28re8d* Best, -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Getting the sticker.
Hi Rick: 1. a yagi of equal or higher gain has to be on the module certification. If it is not, contact the module vendor to get it added. 2. for your combination, submit to a lab to get a DoC. You will need a new DoC for every SBC/module/enclosure combination. 3. Your sticker has to have some information on it with respect to the module inside and the DoC compliance. I'll have to look that up. -Hal Harold Bledsoe Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x205 (office) 404.693.0660 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Getting the sticker. Anyone understand the full process of getting something certified at the FCC ? I.e. I'd like to send in an RB112 with SR9, pigtail, LMR jumper, and Pac Wireless Yagi to get certified as a combination. And, every other combination I use. As I understand the rules, that would allow me to call that combination legal, as well as giving it a separate product name that I (or anyone I subcontracted) could resell it as, and then put this sticker conscious crap to silence. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Sorry! Didn't read your post carefully enough. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Travis Johnson wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Equipment leasing only addresses one part of an operator's fixed costs. What about the rest? What about the operators who can't get a lease because of their lack of capital? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Small business owners have many resources for help. The local university, small business development centers, SCORE.org, and many others. There are finance companies that can help with the leasing - or sometimes the manufacturer can help you find one. For every problem there is a solution. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Matt, he said he got rid of a useless partner, thus no loss of manpower and added capital. Raising funds is not easy and requires a lot of paperwork and letting a stranger into your life in a very personal way. Since he is at the break even point and has straightened out some issues my best advice is still to simply keep going and the profit will happen. As for the volume thing, that method rarely works and you must make a profit on every subscriber, no matter how many you have. You are not Santa Claus and there is no free lunch, so basically, if a subscriber will create a loss for you, simply do not accept them. If you get enough customers that are losing you money you go broke. If you accept fewer customers who make you money then you survive. I know it hurts the pride to walk away from a customer but in the end, if you go broke, you'll be walking away from a whole bunch of them and maybe your house, car, and family as well. Given those choices I'll choose to walk away from the customer. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Lonnie, This is not a true statement if your CPE is costing you $150 (which seems a little low after antenna, pigtails, misc. hardware like zip ties, weatherproof, mounts, etc.) you are breaking even on the equipment. Then you still have the truck roll, insurance, gas, employee, etc. which could be $50 to $100 per install... so really you are out 3-4 months or longer... which means for a quickly growing company you are in trouble because you aren't profitable for 3-4 months. :( Travis Microserv Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
True to a point Travis. But in your earlier post, you claim to be profitable immediately, which isn't necessarily so since you lease. The lease is a liability, therefore, you may have a positive cash flow, but until you pay off the equipment, you are not automatically profitable. There is a difference in cash flow and profit and it is easy to confuse the two. For me, being profitable on a subscriber after 3-4 months is preferable to a 2-5year lease. Not everyone feels that way, thus there are different business models. Travis Johnson wrote: Lonnie, This is not a true statement if your CPE is costing you $150 (which seems a little low after antenna, pigtails, misc. hardware like zip ties, weatherproof, mounts, etc.) you are breaking even on the equipment. Then you still have the truck roll, insurance, gas, employee, etc. which could be $50 to $100 per install... so really you are out 3-4 months or longer... which means for a quickly growing company you are in trouble because you aren't profitable for 3-4 months. :( Travis Microserv Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
True... what I meant was I am profitable on that customer from day 1... because I factor in the monthly cost of the lease per subscriber... so the customer is installed at no cost to me, and I start making money from their first payment. Travis Scott Reed wrote: True to a point Travis. But in your earlier post, you claim to be profitable immediately, which isn't necessarily so since you lease. The lease is a liability, therefore, you may have a positive cash flow, but until you pay off the equipment, you are not automatically profitable. There is a difference in cash flow and profit and it is easy to confuse the two. For me, being profitable on a subscriber after 3-4 months is preferable to a 2-5year lease. Not everyone feels that way, thus there are different business models. Travis Johnson wrote: Lonnie, This is not a true statement if your CPE is costing you $150 (which seems a little low after antenna, pigtails, misc. hardware like zip ties, weatherproof, mounts, etc.) you are breaking even on the equipment. Then you still have the truck roll, insurance, gas, employee, etc. which could be $50 to $100 per install... so really you are out 3-4 months or longer... which means for a quickly growing company you are in trouble because you aren't profitable for 3-4 months. :( Travis Microserv Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Travis, I don't make untrue statements. Please don't say that. I said we charge a $150 install fee and $30 a month, bringing the total cash flow to $150 + $30 +30 = $210. The Client side gear is $184 Quantity 1 and that leaves a small fee for my install guy who is an employee. I'm maybe 3 months to profit if you figure his costs, but who cares about a month here and there. We are talking an employees time and that is his job. It is a cost of doing business and I do not apportion it to each install. The bottom line is that I get ALL of my cash money returned on the customer's second monthly payment then after that it is profit. If we make that 4 months we are still WAY better than a Telco ROI, but you have to be an accountant to get that picky. We are quite profitable as a WISP and we can now even afford a 30 mbps fibre. The old over priced T1 days are LONG gone. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, This is not a true statement if your CPE is costing you $150 (which seems a little low after antenna, pigtails, misc. hardware like zip ties, weatherproof, mounts, etc.) you are breaking even on the equipment. Then you still have the truck roll, insurance, gas, employee, etc. which could be $50 to $100 per install... so really you are out 3-4 months or longer... which means for a quickly growing company you are in trouble because you aren't profitable for 3-4 months. :( Travis Microserv Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Important and interesting FCC info about 5.47-5.75 GHz certification
I am cross-posting this on all the major WISP lists since it drives home how serious the FCC is taking 5.4 GHz product certification and I would encourage sharing this information with any WISP discussion groups that have U.S. relevance (e.g. the brand specific Part-15 lists, DSL Reports, etc.): A search of FCC-authorized Part 15 certification test firms lists 142 firms in the United States alone. There are also a good number of international firms available for public contract to perform FCC certification tests. However, I've learned that for the purposes of 5.4 GHz compliance the only lab that will be able to certify systems is the FCC lab itself in Maryland. While I do not know if this is something that may change over time, the clear message it should send to us all is that the FCC is taking 5.4 GHz compliance extremely seriously. This is all about the strict DFS mechanism designed to keep UL 5.23-5.35 and 5.47-5.725 GHz systems deployed in the U.S. from interfering with the secret military radars. (If any are wondering why also 5.25-5.35 GHz, it's because the grandfathering for current systems ends firmly on July 20 this year.). Accordingly, all WISPs, even the least inclined to follow the rules to the letter, are thus well-advised not to equivocate on 5.4 GHz. From Alvarion's side, we usually use one of the many authorized contract firms in California and the process to gain legal system certification has historically been routine and not especially onerous. On this one though, the testing is so tricky and in-depth (expected to drill deep into the hard coding to make sure no 'creative' aftermarket coding can occur), that we are already processing visas for a team of our programmers to supplement our domestic product management folks just for the purposes of this certification. For those interested in what exactly will be tested, here is a link to the FCC documents (a general overview presentation and a detailed document) that explains the testing requirements: October 2006 TCB Workshop 1 Dynamic Frequency Selection Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) Equipment Authorization (DFS) Equipment Authorization Andy Leimer OET: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/feb06/Feb_06-Dynamic_Frequ ency_Selection_DFS-AL.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-96A1.pdf Scroll down to the Appendix COMPLIANCE MEASUREMENT PROCEDURES FOR UNLICENSED-NATIONAL INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE DEVICES OPERATING IN THE 5250-5350 MHz AND 5470-5725 MHz BANDS INCORPORATING DYNAMIC FREQUENCY SELECTION Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
I just called for the info, but I need something now and might order the ubnt one if I get someone to ship it today. So, as long as my center is 912-917 I'd be fine with the ubnt one? I think that will do. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Ubit has two - one centered on 912 and one centered on 917. Be sure to order the appropriate one. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just called for the info, but I need something now and might order the ubnt one if I get someone to ship it today. So, as long as my center is 912-917 I'd be fine with the ubnt one? I think that will do. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] need FOX5300
Anyone have any used Trango FOX5300s that they want to sell. I need one or two for a job. – reply off list please. Thanks. _ Don Annas 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 fax HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 attachment: image001.jpg -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Yup, I ordered the 912. With the 917, the interference on 928 would have still bothered me. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Ubit has two - one centered on 912 and one centered on 917. Be sure to order the appropriate one. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just called for the info, but I need something now and might order the ubnt one if I get someone to ship it today. So, as long as my center is 912-917 I'd be fine with the ubnt one? I think that will do. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????
Brian, Umy original point still stands. The parameters of the environment have changed and its time for the military to adapt to forces outside of its control instead of trying to maintain an untenable status quo. I am a little concerned that the military/industrial complex has so much control over existing spectrum. The fact that this stuff has been in use since the 60s is especially disturbing. What good is a highly beneficial technology when it is locked away from the rest of the world? I'm not talking nuclear bombs here - its communication. I wonder what other national secrets are out there now that could be doing the world a lot of good but instead they are collecting dust from disuse. Gotta love the propensity of government and industry to manufacture artificial scarcity to protect their own interests. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Most Radar systems are built with extremely sensitive receivers and extremely high gain antennas that can detect things like a double echo which means it can receive the signal that was generated by itself and then bounced back to the antenna not once but multiple times. In many cases is also designed to sit there in a passive mode to detect other signals and not give out it's own position which gives an enemy an easy target to attack. Some of it is used to direct weapons to it's proper targets, some if it as navigation aids for military aircraft the just like civilian air travel. Do you want to let WISP's be responsible for disabling some of that technology? Please do not get this list started thinking that WISP's and or the manufacturers are much smarter in radio engineering than a government agency who has spent billions of dollars in research and construction of radio systems that are partially responsible for the incredibly cheap radios we have today. Most of what we use on the air today has been in use or manufactured in one form or another by the government since the 60's. You haven't heard of it because for most of those years it was considered part of a national secret and any of us who did know about it are not allowed (including the manufacturers) to say a thing about it. RF Engineering, complex radio systems and digital modulation techniques have been around for much longer that you realize, where do you think many of the geniuses who built this stuff got their experience in the first place? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? I think everyone is missing the real problem with 5.4ghz. How big of a piece of crap is our military radar that a $49 minipci wireless card and a homemade pringles antenna can render it useless??? ;^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com J. Vogel wrote: Fair enough. I might have been a little on the touchy side myself there. In the context of what I had been reading, particularly a comment about how the use of 5.4 was going to require someone to install another phone line just to handle complaints from the DoD, coupled with the current excitement around the list that some WISPs have *gasp* been using un-certified gear, it appeared to me that your question might have been motivated by suspicion in that regard. Thanks for the clarification. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FYI: Trango 5580 issue
Fix is on the way.. Don, I just received an ETA on this problem. We believe to have found the issue and are in the process of fixing the problem. We have a firmware as soon as tomorrow. The firmware will be considered Beta and will still need further testing. If initial testing is fine I can send you the firmware but it will still be consider Beta until we have fully tested it. Sincerely, Tino Soria Applications Engineer Trango Broadband Wireless -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Because it's a notch, it attenuates the paging frequencies while letting the 902-928 band go through with little to no attenuation. You could use it on any frequency within 902-928. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI: Trango 5580 issue
Thanks! On 2/20/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix is on the way.. Don, I just received an ETA on this problem. We believe to have found the issue and are in the process of fixing the problem. We have a firmware as soon as tomorrow. The firmware will be considered Beta and will still need further testing. If initial testing is fine I can send you the firmware but it will still be consider Beta until we have fully tested it. Sincerely, Tino Soria Applications Engineer Trango Broadband Wireless -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. The downside is that a Bank won't share that vision, and they will provide zero value for the CPE. However, when the CPE is leased, and someone was willing to lend you money for it, and has claim to it, all a sudden the bank recognizes the value of the boorrowed money. Expecially when they can re-finance it to shave off a few points. My view is, what good is an asset if no one will lend against it? My view is... If you've made cash flow possitive,you are over the hard part. If you stay on your same path, you'll be able to finance your self with cash receivables and cash flow. Once you've reached that state their is no dire motive to have to grow and get financing. When you reach that state, traditional banks will lend you money. My advice is to be realistic on how close you are to be able to self fund on receivables. If you are no where near that, than you are one of those companies that ran out of money before you got there, and you ahve no choice but to look for financiors, sell, or wait it out without growth. At thios stage of the game, waiting it out usually means the competition passes you by. But if you are cash flow possitive, and you still have energy to keep at it, you may do better in the long run, staying away from the investors. Persuing the investment will take lots of time to document and justify, and you will loose productivty during that time. Good luck with your ventures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs.
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Ham-80211] Re: 2.4 GHz remote broadcast
somebody slap that guy! On 2/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh brother! marlon - Original Message - Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ham-80211] Re: 2.4 GHz remote broadcast Steve wrote: Are all forms of Ham communications on 5.2 5.4 limited to 1W eirp or only high-speed data/video?Short answer: Max achievable EIRP is 946.4 Kilo-watts for Part 97, or obviously the minimum necessary to carry out the communications, just like any other thing in ham radio.Nothing overlaps at 5.2 GHz... more so 5.6 5.7 see these links:http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/pwr.html http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/allocations.html Awesome resource, thanks! These were VERY amusing to read, especially the EIRP! 900 MHz (non spread spectrum i.e 802.11g) 1500 watts (per 97.313) 14 dBd yagi 37.8 Kilo-watts What sort of surplus amplifier hardware is available for 900MHz and at what sort of prices, please? I hate to think of the price tag on a 1.5KW 900MHz amp! 2.4 GHz (non spread spectrum i.e. 802.11g) 1500 watts (per 97.313) 24 dBi partial parabolic 376.8 Kilo-watts Generating 1.5KW on 2.4GHz is not within the reach of the average Ham, even 150W may be tough, though that still equals 37.7KW EIRP! :-) The 3.3GHz transverter http://www.ubnt.com/sr3_faq.php4 is interesting for many reasons: 1. It interfaces with the Atheros Linux MadWiFi driver. 2. It takes a consumer off-the-shelf 2.4 GHz 802.11 hardware and puts it on the 3.3GHz Ham band. 3. 100W x 25 dBi dish = 31.6 Kilo-watts EIRP!! Questions: 1. What is this device likely to cost? 2. Are amplifiers available surplus and what are they likely to cost? 3. Same question re. high gain 3.3GHz antennas and the associated cables/waveguides? 4. Distance and signal toleration in bad weather? It is so much fun to learn new things in Ham radio! -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
An asset is something that you own. I consider anything that is not paid for to be a liability. An asset that you own can be enjoyed and can make money for you. If it is paid for in a mere two to three months is this not a worthy investment, especially if it can provide a profit for years to come? Lonnie On 2/20/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. SNIP My view is, what good is an asset if no one will lend against it? SNIP Good luck with your ventures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
RFlinx's arguement was that a bandpass filter to allow the use of the top channel closest to 930, was pointless because the paging gear would kill it anyway. So they decided on a design that would sacrifice the top channel in favor of a filter that would not degrade the receive strength of the desired signal, and maximize the attenuation of the undesired interference. In theory, I have a lot of respect for their approach. However, I sure like the $164 price of the filter that you found. The question is whether the sacrificed anything in the design, or if they are jsut willing to sell it cheaper. For example, as 3 pole design is cheaper but less capable than a 4,5,8 pole design. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] PacWireless Die Cast Enclosure with Antenna
Hello Paul, I don't think anyone responded to this... The 5.8GHz version will be available within 1-2 weeks. Look for a press release to be sent out within the next few days. Regards, Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul hendry Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:41 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless Die Cast Enclosure with Antenna Ola, Has anybody used or seen the 19db 5.8GHz version of the PacWireless die cast enclosures? PacWireless sell the 2.4 and dual-band version on there site but no sign of the 5.8GHz only version. These look like they could be a great cpe solution and nowhere near as butt ugly as the RooTennas ;) Paul Skyline Networks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Jack, Is there a technical difference between a notch filter and a bandpass filter? Is it possible the 930 notch only attenuates 930, and does not help with the other potential harmful interferers such as the upper 800s, and the higher than 930 stuff? I'm jsut trying to get an idea of whether a WISP really needs an assortment of filters in their tool chest to try what helps best, in absense of a spectrum analizer. It also may matter depending on what unlicensed radio type. For example the Ubiquiti 900 card has excellent filtering built in, for the noise a bit farther away, but not good for the close in adjacent noise. Maybe the inexpensive 930 notch filter is ideal for use with the Ubiquiti 900 card? Up on a tower, the noise may not just be the close in paging. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Because it's a notch, it attenuates the paging frequencies while letting the 902-928 band go through with little to no attenuation. You could use it on any frequency within 902-928. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Lonnie, I do not controdict your comment. I have chosen your same path. I have zero financing, and own in full a half million dollars worth of hardware that is installed. I was just pointing out the compromise. I now have a $10,000 a year property tax bill. The bank laughs at me, when I try and use the installed equipment as colladeral for future funding. The only value that the installed gear has to me, is it enables me to serve clients and generate revenue. Meaning its better for me to own my company, and continue to receive my revenue that I have enabled to have come in. But I truly believe a company will appraise for more, if the gear is leased instead of owned. The truth is a leased radio generates the same amount of cash as an owned one. But just like a car, the second it is driven off the lot it loses half its value on day one. Nobody ever puts fair value on used gear, they don't look at it as a revenue enabler. However, when you lease, you have acheived finance and capitol, which is hard to come by, freeing up the buyer's capitol and borrowing capabilty. And showing a business model that is cash flow friendly optimizing survival. So if you are building to sell, lease the gear. If you are building to own, pay cash, and save every point you can. Because if you plan to stay owner, why do you have to justify anything to anyone at your expense? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... An asset is something that you own. I consider anything that is not paid for to be a liability. An asset that you own can be enjoyed and can make money for you. If it is paid for in a mere two to three months is this not a worthy investment, especially if it can provide a profit for years to come? Lonnie On 2/20/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. SNIP My view is, what good is an asset if no one will lend against it? SNIP Good luck with your ventures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
An asset is something that you own. Maybe in accounting terms, but in real world, anything that makes you more money than it costs you is an asset, even if its not paid off. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match, you only win bigger... Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential buyer. And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. We're building to sell. Major network - owning all pieces. Banks have allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for 18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral nonetheless... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Lonnie, I do not controdict your comment. I have chosen your same path. I have zero financing, and own in full a half million dollars worth of hardware that is installed. I was just pointing out the compromise. I now have a $10,000 a year property tax bill. The bank laughs at me, when I try and use the installed equipment as colladeral for future funding. The only value that the installed gear has to me, is it enables me to serve clients and generate revenue. Meaning its better for me to own my company, and continue to receive my revenue that I have enabled to have come in. But I truly believe a company will appraise for more, if the gear is leased instead of owned. The truth is a leased radio generates the same amount of cash as an owned one. But just like a car, the second it is driven off the lot it loses half its value on day one. Nobody ever puts fair value on used gear, they don't look at it as a revenue enabler. However, when you lease, you have acheived finance and capitol, which is hard to come by, freeing up the buyer's capitol and borrowing capabilty. And showing a business model that is cash flow friendly optimizing survival. So if you are building to sell, lease the gear. If you are building to own, pay cash, and save every point you can. Because if you plan to stay owner, why do you have to justify anything to anyone at your expense? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... An asset is something that you own. I consider anything that is not paid for to be a liability. An asset that you own can be enjoyed and can make money for you. If it is paid for in a mere two to three months is this not a worthy investment, especially if it can provide a profit for years to come? Lonnie On 2/20/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. SNIP My view is, what good is an asset if no one will lend against it? SNIP Good luck with your ventures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Rick Smith wrote: actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match, you only win bigger... Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential buyer. And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. We're building to sell. Major network - owning all pieces. Banks have allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for 18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral nonetheless... Rick, you've been around the block, your a smart guy, don't think there is a whole lot your missing. The only advice I would give you, is if you do another partnership, clearly define your partners exit in agreeable terms before you enter into an agreement. Like you will be the owner and he will be leaving and here is what he is getting and how he is going to get it. Also watch that you don't make the next guy the major stakeholder if he decides to drag you into bankruptcy. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Tom - Please see my answers inline. Tom DeReggi wrote: Jack, Is there a technical difference between a notch filter and a bandpass filter? Yes. A bandpass filter is designed to pass (with only a dB or two of attenuation) a band of frequencies - hence the name bandpass. Everything outside the bandpass frequency range is significantly attenuated. A notch filter is designed to notch out (attenuate) a rather narrow frequency range that contains a loud, interfering signal (like paging). Is it possible the 930 notch only attenuates 930, and does not help with the other potential harmful interferers such as the upper 800s, and the higher than 930 stuff? Yes, exactly correct. A 930 MHz notch filter only notches out the 930 MHz frequency range and not the upper 800 MHz frequency range where the cellular band stops (at 885 MHz). Frequencies way above 930 are also not notched out. This is OK for most WISPs because the interference closest to the 902-928 MHz band is paging at 929 and 930 MHz. I'm jsut trying to get an idea of whether a WISP really needs an assortment of filters in their tool chest to try what helps best, in absense of a spectrum analizer. A spectrum analyzer and the knowledge about how to use it is the best interference reduction tool. The next best tool is a good pair of eyes hooked up to a brain that can recognize paging and cell sites (which are often co-located together). When a WISP knows what these sites look like, the WISP can drive around within a half-mile or so of their prospective AP location and use their eyes to spot potential paging and cell sites that would cause overload problems. It also may matter depending on what unlicensed radio type. Yes, some radio receivers are better than others in terms of receiver selectivity. More filtering in the receiver makes a receiver that is less likely to be overloaded by nearby paging and cell sites therefore less likely to need an external filter. More filtering also makes the receiver more expensive. The manufacturer of a PCMCIA card that costs maybe $20 to make can not afford to spend $75 to include a good receiver filter; also there may not be enough room on the card for the filter components. For example the Ubiquiti 900 card has excellent filtering built in, for the noise a bit farther away, but not good for the close in adjacent noise. Maybe the inexpensive 930 notch filter is ideal for use with the Ubiquiti 900 card? Yes. Most low-cost receivers would benefit significantly when used with an external (correctly selected and designed) bandpass or notch filter. The best use of the notch filter is when there is nearby paging but not nearby cellular. Up on a tower, the noise may not just be the close in paging. Up on the tower, the poor receiver gets hit with everything - in-band noise from other network sites and out of band noise from paging and cellular and other nearby transmitters. For best results, a WISP needs the spectrum analyzer to know what's really out there before choosing an AP site. Once a site is chosen, it's necessary to design around the noise through proper antenna system selection. While a selection of filters would help, a better method is to understand the sources of noise, know how to detect and measure it, then know how to design around it. These are the techniques that I've been writing about and teaching about since 2001 and practicing since 1993. With practice, anyone can get good at reducing noise, thereby maximizing WISP performance and reliability. jack Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Because it's a notch, it attenuates the paging frequencies while letting the 902-928 band go through with little to no attenuation. You could use it on any frequency within 902-928. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are
[WISPA] 5.8 4FT Quickfire Dish
Guys, our sales rep at Walker and Associates told us he had some new antennas in stock that they were trying to move. I don't have a use for them, but he says they are priced to move as they got stuck with them on a Sprint stocking order. He quoted me $750 ea for Part Number QF4-52-N 4FT QUICKFIRE 5.250_5.850 GHZ Manufacturer PRODELIN CORPORATION. I'm not sure how many he has but if anyone can use em and if that's a good price let me know and I'll be happy to forward you his contact info. You may be able to beat him down a littler lower, he sounded desperate to sell em. _ Don Annas 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TriadTelecom.com http://www.triadtelecom.com/ _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 attachment: image001.jpg -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Plus, one really should count the payback on NET per customer revenue not gross. That customer does have a bandwidth cost, tech support cost, billing cost, tower capacity cost etc. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Lonnie, This is not a true statement if your CPE is costing you $150 (which seems a little low after antenna, pigtails, misc. hardware like zip ties, weatherproof, mounts, etc.) you are breaking even on the equipment. Then you still have the truck roll, insurance, gas, employee, etc. which could be $50 to $100 per install... so really you are out 3-4 months or longer... which means for a quickly growing company you are in trouble because you aren't profitable for 3-4 months. :( Travis Microserv Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat $150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that good they would be dancing. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :) Just a thought. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things like CALEA that come along at change the cost equation. I've heard from a number of people who's business plans can't support CALEA. I am rambling a bit, but my point is that fresh capital could be just the thing a break even business needs. How else do you punch through to the next level? -Matt Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
You put THAT radio on a channel as far away from the noise as you can. Also, you may want to put in a REALLY good notch filter. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Remember that the tighter the filter the more loss you'll have going through it too marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: [WISP] Important and interesting FCC info about 5.47-5.75 GHz certification
Thanks Brian. I am very familiar with how it all came down (and I know who you are following!) and with you being an actual participant and not just a witness I appreciate you sharing the 'inside' information that reinforces the overall message: this is serious business and no playing around with illegal gear is going to be tolerated. I'm suppose I've been coming down very hard on the topic because I'm trying to influence quick change about an entrenched attitude among many WISPs. I am deeply afraid for the WISP industry if this band is treated as cavalierly as so many have treated 5.8 GHz with respect to the rules. What really has me worried is that 5.25-5.35 GHz is already a band where lots of abuse occurs and this band gets fully rolled into the 5.4 rules come July. Having sat on the panel yourself, do you think I am over-stating the seriousness of this? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brian Magnuson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: RE: [WISP] Important and interesting FCC info about 5.47-5.75 GHz certification Patrick, I sat on the NTIA (National Telecommunications and Industry Association) standards committee in 2005 and early 2006. The FCC is forced into this because of the DOD (Department of Defense). We had a difficult time keeping the DOD happy due to the nature of the highly classified radar patterns. The FCC will not allow ANY TCB (Telecommunications Certifications Body) to certify the 5.470 to 5.725GHz for a year or until they become comfortable with a specific TCB. The testing requires a $250,000 investment in equipment with 180 separate test covering 30 different wave forms. The only testing lab I know of is Elliott Labs http://www.elliottlabs.com in Fremont California that has the required test equipment. After they complete the test then the radios are shipped to Washington DC where the FCC will perform the same test all over again to compare the results. This whole process takes about 3 months if you are lucky. I'm following 2 in process currently. Regards, Brian E. Magnuson President Cascade Networks, Inc. DBA Last Mile Gear 1324 Vandercook Way Longview, WA 98632 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +1 (360)442-4440 Fax: +1 (360)414-5991 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISP] Important and interesting FCC info about 5.47-5.75 GHz certification I am cross-posting this on all the major WISP lists since it drives home how serious the FCC is taking 5.4 GHz product certification and I would encourage sharing this information with any WISP discussion groups that have U.S. relevance (e.g. the brand specific Part-15 lists, DSL Reports, etc.): A search of FCC-authorized Part 15 certification test firms lists 142 firms in the United States alone. There are also a good number of international firms available for public contract to perform FCC certification tests. However, I've learned that for the purposes of 5.4 GHz compliance the only lab that will be able to certify systems is the FCC lab itself in Maryland. While I do not know if this is something that may change over time, the clear message it should send to us all is that the FCC is taking 5.4 GHz compliance extremely seriously. This is all about the strict DFS mechanism designed to keep UL 5.23-5.35 and 5.47-5.725 GHz systems deployed in the U.S. from interfering with the secret military radars. (If any are wondering why also 5.25-5.35 GHz, it's because the grandfathering for current systems ends firmly on July 20 this year.). Accordingly, all WISPs, even the least inclined to follow the rules to the letter, are thus well-advised not to equivocate on 5.4 GHz. From Alvarion's side, we usually use one of the many authorized contract firms in California and the process to gain legal system certification has historically been routine and not especially onerous. On this one though, the testing is so tricky and in-depth (expected to drill deep into the hard coding to make sure no 'creative' aftermarket coding can occur), that we are already processing visas for a team of our programmers to supplement our domestic product management folks just for the purposes of this certification. For those interested in what exactly will be tested, here is a link to the FCC documents (a general overview presentation and a detailed document) that explains the testing requirements: October 2006 TCB Workshop 1 Dynamic Frequency Selection Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) Equipment Authorization (DFS) Equipment Authorization Andy Leimer OET:
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Jack and Brian, I noticed this thread just a few minutes ago. I didn't see mention of what polarity the OMNI in question is. Most, if not all, 900 paging is VERTically Polarized. That is why the integrated antenna Canopy products all use HORIZontal polarization out of the box. So one would naturally want your omni to be HORIZontally polarized. This little trick all by itself should get 25 db or so rejection of the unwanted 929-930 stuff. I also agree with Marlon that sectorizing could help (depending on the direction of the offending signal) Basically selecting an AP operating frequency as far away from 929-930 as possible (preferably 906 Mhz) and facing THAT sector toward the offending signal, should help since the AP's receiver selectivity will maximally attenuate the out of band signal. The Subscriber Modules in that sector would all have their backs to the offending noise, so the front-to-back ratio of the antenna is buying them 20+ db rejection. Of course if the Subscriber Modules in another sector (and another channel) are facing the noise, the problem may pop-up there. It's all about angles and SM antenna pattern at that point. Maybe this will help. Hope so. Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 21:30 Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Remember that the tighter the filter the more loss you'll have going through it too marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)
[WISPA] Clearwire buys wireless spectrum for $300 million
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2007/02/19/daily14.html Clearwire is buying all of ATT's spectrum in BellSouth's 9-state area for 300M .. and talk of an IPO to raise $500 million all your base are belong to clearwire! -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and we don't have much of either. Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us 5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today ? Look at it this way. If you're building to sell, you're building fast and furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that comes along. At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to just buy you out instead of marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT to switch. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Oh, I've been in the partnership thing, got screwed, and was lucky enough to figure out how to negotiate for 100% ownership of the company that I built and my deadbeat partner didn't help with. So, now here I stand, smarter for the experience, but also looking at a pool of vultures ready to hand me money but wanting 75% equity. lol. yah. Came out of meetings today with a whole bunch better group of people, and my stance is to never own less than 51%. At least this group respected that. Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Rick Smith wrote: actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match, you only win bigger... Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential buyer. And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. We're building to sell. Major network - owning all pieces. Banks have allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for 18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral nonetheless... Rick, you've been around the block, your a smart guy, don't think there is a whole lot your missing. The only advice I would give you, is if you do another partnership, clearly define your partners exit in agreeable terms before you enter into an agreement. Like you will be the owner and he will be leaving and here is what he is getting and how he is going to get it. Also watch that you don't make the next guy the major stakeholder if he decides to drag you into bankruptcy. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
I agree, if I had the capital to keep going. :( NEED to bring in financing, and I've done all that work by myself. Need people to help grow it faster / further, and that all takes $$$ too. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Caveat (before the explanation...how do you like that): I am deploying Tranzeo CPEs, and these guys are a Tranzeo reseller. Look at RidgeviewTel at http://www.dboss-online.com/. I'm in a growing mood right now, but I don't want someone else to own my network for a long time. Their system will do your billing, and if you send your billing through them (which will allow them to take their CPE lease payments off the top), they will keep sending CPEs to you. You have to give up some control, and let them make some money on the arrangement, but it works for a growing phase when you can't backroll it yourself. I'm leasing CPE (making payments, really) for 12 months then I own it. At one point, when I want to slow things down, I'll go back to purchasing the CPEs then 12 months later I don't owe anything for the CPEs. I've currently got their billing in place. I've also signed up for their WISP services (being implemented now), which will give me 1st level telephone tech support (reboot your router, [EMAIL PROTECTED], help with e-mail client, etc), as well as 24-hour NOC monitoring, provisioning (bandwidth management), billing integration (auto-shut-off of non-payinig account), installer scheduling, and a slew of little details. I'm hoping this, along with a local support backup dude, will finally give me that fishing vacation without my cell phone. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I agree, if I had the capital to keep going. :( NEED to bring in financing, and I've done all that work by myself. Need people to help grow it faster / further, and that all takes $$$ too. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the same. Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and ruins your focus. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees. Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested. I need to get a feel on realistic projections. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not others. Are you in a rural area? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Couple questions for you: 1) How did you get funding ? 2) How many customers are you up to so far ? 3) How many installations per month / week / day ? 4) How did they find you ? Advertising methods... I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a meeting of the minds tonight. I figured no better place to get the answer than existing WISPs. Offlist, if need be. This will be private for me only, just for information. thanks R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless Die Cast Enclosure with Antenna
Hi Ben, I'm jumping here. But I'm looking for specifics on a Rootenna solution for a Mikrotik RB532A and RB112. Do you have one that I can purchase or a solution with other parts you can specify? Thanks. BTW. I got a few of those 5GHz metal grids with the HD bracket and they are nice. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] PacWireless Die Cast Enclosure with Antenna Hello Paul, I don't think anyone responded to this... The 5.8GHz version will be available within 1-2 weeks. Look for a press release to be sent out within the next few days. Regards, Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul hendry Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:41 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless Die Cast Enclosure with Antenna Ola, Has anybody used or seen the 19db 5.8GHz version of the PacWireless die cast enclosures? PacWireless sell the 2.4 and dual-band version on there site but no sign of the 5.8GHz only version. These look like they could be a great cpe solution and nowhere near as butt ugly as the RooTennas ;) Paul Skyline Networks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Yeah I disagree. If I shut down its because I get tired, not because I get run out. There becomes a point, when the only big cost is roof space, and a big company tends to pay more for roof rights. When I'm debt free, not sure how someone can run me out. I can just give it away, and still survive. Maybe not yet, but in a couple more years, thats where I'll be. I'm already on my Gigabit backbone plans, fiber isn't necessarily a killer either. I agree that Wireless was meant to be a transition product, but once its in place, not sure it will get wiped out. Even for a redundancy play it has a life of another 10-20 years. And anyway you slice it the big boys will never be able to offer personal service. I could stay in this business for quite awhile if I want to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Same direction I'm headed, but the big catch is debt free -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... Yeah I disagree. If I shut down its because I get tired, not because I get run out. There becomes a point, when the only big cost is roof space, and a big company tends to pay more for roof rights. When I'm debt free, not sure how someone can run me out. I can just give it away, and still survive. Maybe not yet, but in a couple more years, thats where I'll be. I'm already on my Gigabit backbone plans, fiber isn't necessarily a killer either. I agree that Wireless was meant to be a transition product, but once its in place, not sure it will get wiped out. Even for a redundancy play it has a life of another 10-20 years. And anyway you slice it the big boys will never be able to offer personal service. I could stay in this business for quite awhile if I want to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Telcos cannot cover the sort of area we as a WISP can cover. Sure they can take the low hanging fruit, but I see it is similar to the gold rush days. The first guys cashed out big, and the well financed guys bought the best fields and made a mint. A LOT of gold was recovered by very ambitious and patient people who went over the grounds that were too barren or difficult for the big guys. We are those patient guys. We work harder and the rewards are not as large as the early days, but we are doing just fine. To put it in perspective, I know a lot of people who work harder and make less money. In that respect we are doing OK. I provide high speed Internet to people who cannot even get a phone line from the Telco. Sure they rode into town with ADSL and denied me faster than a T1 for 2 years while they converted about 2/3 of our dialup users to ADSL, but we have a higher potential for the people the Telco simply CANNOT service. We now have a 35 mbps fibre and the world looks bright. The silver lining to losing the dial up customers is that without the Telco coming in we would still have a T1. The other thing we all have going for us is that we can embrace new technology right away and not wait 10 years for it to become a commodity item. If you are willing to take advantage of new technology you will succeed. The market is there. You just have to go after it. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and we don't have much of either. Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us 5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today ? Look at it this way. If you're building to sell, you're building fast and furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that comes along. At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to just buy you out instead of marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT to switch. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:49:32 -0500, Rick Smith wrote Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and we don't have much of either. I'd agree with you, if you take the first impression too. Problem is, I don't really know this. Nor do I think it strongly either. Several reasons: 1. We're far enough down the food chain that the telco / cableco wars are going to result in a lot of blood on the ground and it won't much be our blood. 2. Three years is really an eternity when it comes to how rapid change has been will be and lots of perspectives have been adjusting. Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us 5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today? Well, I said 2 years ago that I am willing and able to take on ANYONE and can find a way to get myself enough market share to survive against ANYONE...except the government. They're the only people we can't survive. Look at it this way. If you're building to sell, you're building fast and furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that comes along. At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to just buy you out instead of marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT to switch. If I had 1000 customers today, and was asked to take a half million dollars and walk away... I don't believe I would. I know that seems a bit crazy, but at this point in my life, going to work for someone else... is about as attractive as eating cow pies. However, I think ALL of us should be diligently looking for ways to get beyond just that 'net connection. Video, tv, ( we're all aware of VOIP, of course ), and ... well, what else? We should be building our networks with the idea that there's a future beyond surfing. We can be competitive, especially if we team up in numbers. / Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
