Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON
Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday. Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can squeeze you in. There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception. Will find out more details when we get there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Sam Tetherow wrote: I am, I get in early Tuesday afternoon and am staying at the Best Western up the street. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Peter R. wrote: Gino Villarini wrote: Any special activities from WISPA on the Tuesday preeciding ISPcon ? Im about to book my flight Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 I'll be in Tuesday night. Staying at the Rosen Center Hotel. Who's up for meeting for dinner? Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM service using a Barracuda? The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so the prices should be competitive. Barracuda Networks used to do 100 mailboxes for $100 per month, I think. John JohnnyO wrote: www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and email addresses. I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the larger mail / hosting outfits. Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain. Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this. Regards, JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Next gen of wi-fi is planned for summer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070516/ap_on_hi_te/wi_fi_alliance_2;_ylt=AjCZXQffVxPE_rY5h5gTVTQE1vAI The next generation of wireless Internet products certified by the Wi-Fi Alliance is expected to hit shelves this summer, even though a final standard for the technology isn't due for another year, the industry group says. *http://tinyurl.com/32h2kg* -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
will do, no problems here... Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON
I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;) Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except tuesday, which is poker night. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday. Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can squeeze you in. There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception. Will find out more details when we get there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Sam Tetherow wrote: I am, I get in early Tuesday afternoon and am staying at the Best Western up the street. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Peter R. wrote: Gino Villarini wrote: Any special activities from WISPA on the Tuesday preeciding ISPcon ? Im about to book my flight Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 I'll be in Tuesday night. Staying at the Rosen Center Hotel. Who's up for meeting for dinner? Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON
Sam, Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?) AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told is not that nice. Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of alternatives. - Peter Sam Tetherow wrote: I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;) Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except tuesday, which is poker night. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday. Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can squeeze you in. There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception. Will find out more details when we get there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON
Howl at the Moon (Piano Bar) is right down there. Good times. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON Sam, Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?) AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told is not that nice. Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of alternatives. - Peter Sam Tetherow wrote: I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;) Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except tuesday, which is poker night. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday. Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can squeeze you in. There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception. Will find out more details when we get there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON
I'm at the Best Western just up the street (I think Google put it .8 miles from the Rosen, still stumblin' distance). No clue if it has a pool, I'm a nerd and a business owner, I'll probably be in my room with the curtains closed staring at an LCD trying to figure out what is causing interference on a backhaul 1200 miles away ;) Yeah, Adobe's was the place. My flight lands at 12:45 so I'll probably be checked in around 2:00. I'll see what I can scope out in the afternoon. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Cell: 402-376-4752 Peter R. wrote: Sam, Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?) AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told is not that nice. Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of alternatives. - Peter Sam Tetherow wrote: I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;) Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except tuesday, which is poker night. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday. Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can squeeze you in. There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception. Will find out more details when we get there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON
Got to love google :) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=howl+at+the+moon+orlando,+flie=UTF8z=11om=1 Sounds like a cool place and looks to be only about 10 blocks away. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dylan Bouterse wrote: Howl at the Moon (Piano Bar) is right down there. Good times. Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I wasn't told. $2500 later it isn't worth a dime. I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to be resold. They told me it wasn't policy to do this. I look at it as this is how they are protecting their margins on new sales. No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Oh, he did mention that it is still a functioning server if I wanted to use as such. Anyway, end of thread for me. I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. Stay with it for 3 years or you lost your investment. Thanks for the headsup on this guys. Now we know. I hope I stuck to the facts with no rumor or bad info. Ross - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cornett Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I wasn't told. $2500 later it isn't worth a dime. I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to be resold. They told me it wasn't policy to do this. I look at it as this is how they are protecting their margins on new sales. No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Oh, he did mention that it is still a functioning server if I wanted to use as such. Anyway, end of thread for me. I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. Stay with it for 3 years or you lost your investment. Thanks for the headsup on this guys. Now we know. I hope I stuck to the facts with no rumor or bad info. Ross - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
their 2 concerns I noted are their margins and their liability of customer data being passed onto the buyer and puting a companies data at risk and be sued.. They fear being sued because of the data that this box captures, they made the box, so they are liable for it. Kind of like a gun manufacturer, match manufacturers, knife manufacturers...and so on...get their paranoid view yet, when it can all be managed by wipeing or replaceing a hard drive... oh well... They will not budge on this. I told them I would inform the industry and it will impact their future sales I am certain. Ross - Original Message - From: Brandon Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cornett Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I wasn't told. $2500 later it isn't worth a dime. I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to be resold. They told me it wasn't policy to do this. I look at it as this is how they are protecting their margins on new sales. No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Oh, he did mention that it is still a functioning server if I wanted to use as such. Anyway, end of thread for me. I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. Stay with it for 3 years or you lost your investment. Thanks for the headsup on this guys. Now we know. I hope I stuck to the facts with no rumor or bad info. Ross - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
John, This is probably the only opportunity the small guys (WISPs) will have to compete on an even playing field with the big guys for spectrum that supports WiMax products. The first step is a favorable ruling from the FCC and then the filing of a standard application for a Part 101 license. We are told that the equipment cost per subordinated path will be less than $500 and FCC certified equipment will be available ninety days after a favorable FCC ruling WSI would be please to discuss technical details, business strategies and the enormous opportunities of concurrent coordination with any WISP off list. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Mike, If we support your request for declaratory ruling what steps would be required for us to get our own licensed multipoint Part 101 based network deployment in our areas? What equipment is available now if any? What are the costs? How do you make money on this type of deal? I want to understand the logistics of actually using this in my network if we get the go ahead to do so. Many thanks, John Scrivner michael mulcay wrote: Concurrently coordinated networks are Licensed Carrier Grade, which means we no longer have to take second place to the big guys. Wireless Strategies Inc (WSI) decided to focus on carrier grade backhaul where we believe the GPM is higher and the COS lower than for the home subscriber market. The $500 number was for 802.16 based CPE and was a conservative number. My guess is that 802.16 product prices will end up similar to 802.11 prices. We budget conservatively and plan for a Part 101 license to cost about $2500 with another $2500 for the Prior Coordination. For this we have enough spectrum (60MHz at 6GHz) to serve hundreds of clients. The throughput is 134Mbps burstable to 268Mbps. I agree that asking the FCC for a rule change or a waiver would be difficult, especially to get the FCC allow one foot antennas. That is why NO RULE CHANGE OR WAIVER IS NEEDED. We engineered paths in a city that could support legacy and concurrently coordinated networks, applied for and have received licenses. To remove any uncertainty that an antenna system with radiating elements (it is the radiating elements that can have any type or size of radiator), is allowed UNDER EXISTING RULES, we sent a Request for a Declaratory Ruling to the FCC asking for confirmation that any antenna system, and specifically an antenna system with radiating elements, that meets all the present regulations is allowed. I would be pleased to send you individual copies of the request. Our concern is that the big guys will make a land grab for spectrum before the small, and often under funded, operators have staked their claim. For most investors to put money into network construction they want all perceived regulatory uncertainty removed. This is why we are asking the FCC to remove any uncertainty. Mike 831-659-5618 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless I talked to Mike for quite a while the other day. I think this idea warrants some discussion. On the one hand, the idea that we can use the cheap, arguably underutilized 6 gig band for licensed ptmp links has some draw for me. It's also an idea that the FCC has already hinted at a year or three ago (SPTF maybe???). On the other hand, any licensed bands seem to almost always wind up in the hands of people that don't deploy with it. At least not broadband. And, as our tower sites get ever more loaded with the access points needed to service customers, many of us will likely eventually move to licensed bands for backhaul. It would be a shame to not have licensed ptp only spectrum available. Well, it could easily become a shame laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: michael mulcay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Guys, As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of us. To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas -- to reuse
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda owners here. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Cisco? *ducking and running away in a serpentine fashion* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't match, quite a few other things. The spam accepted tells what got determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and subsequently, placed in the users Junk-Mail folder available via web mail or IMAP. It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are spam and about 1 false positive a month. I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no control. Zack On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda owners here. The costs vary, of course. If you're a very small outfit (with only a few hundred email addresses), outsourcing is probably more cost-effective. Larger outfits may benefit from doing things in-house. I once crunched the numbers, and our Barracuda is saving my boss several hundred a month over Postini (and that included a WISPA-specific discount), but we're juggling a few thousand email addresses. Sometimes it's the other way around, of course. Really, the only way to be sure of what's going on for you is to talk to a couple vendors and see what's best for your company. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device
Mac what are you doing on this list? Did you get lost? (laughing spilling coffee on the keyboard) Bo On 5/15/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're interested in one, talk to Mac Dearman. His company is a Barracuda reseller, and Mac's just a generally swell guy regardless. :) David Smith MVN.net [Mac says:] OK David - What are you up to? Are you in jail again and need bail money? :-) Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL
If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds of 15 Mbps Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these stories, so take it with a grain of salt. On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been against BPL due to RF pollution. That said, a technical evolution could resolve some of those issues. I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if anyone here has worked with them. Does anyone else have a internal BPL system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher class than what you'd get at Best Buy? I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about 25). That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak of 25. Is that sort of speed par for the course? Is that per circuit or gross? 8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is attractive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL
oh, yeah, I fat fingered that 15 into a 25. That's why I came here, to see if anyone knows anything. They have the same story on the Moto web site. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds of 15 Mbps Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these stories, so take it with a grain of salt. On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been against BPL due to RF pollution. That said, a technical evolution could resolve some of those issues. I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if anyone here has worked with them. Does anyone else have a internal BPL system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher class than what you'd get at Best Buy? I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about 25). That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak of 25. Is that sort of speed par for the course? Is that per circuit or gross? 8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is attractive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please contact them if you haven't yet. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL
Telkonet has an in-house BPL (isn't this like HPNA?) solution. Now there is paint that can keep the RF from leaking outside the walls. Zack Kneisley wrote: If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds of 15 Mbps Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these stories, so take it with a grain of salt. On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been against BPL due to RF pollution. That said, a technical evolution could resolve some of those issues. I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if anyone here has worked with them. Does anyone else have a internal BPL system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher class than what you'd get at Best Buy? I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about 25). That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak of 25. Is that sort of speed par for the course? Is that per circuit or gross? 8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is attractive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan. Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to hold emails or to send very large files. Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around. But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] online doc sharing
Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Would ThinkFree work? http://online.thinkfree.com/ Or Talk Write http://www.talkandwrite.com/english/index.php Or Active Collab: http://www.activecollab.com/ OpenOffice.org? HyperOffice or Kimbra if anyone is using it. BTW, these are great tools that you can offer your clients for stickiness. Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Try google docs and spreadsheets. Free and easy... David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing OK, what is that? Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant grin I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the trick for us. And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the use of the designated recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, (or authorized to receive for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of it or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments and contact the sender by reply email or telephone (800) 945-3294. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
OK, what is that? Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant grin I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the trick for us. And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Subversion is a Revision Control System, used by Code monkeys (software developers) to store code. Its pretty good at fixing conflicts in text documents. I did some googling, it does not work as as well for word documents conflicts since they are binary data. Conflicts happen when the document changes more than expected between developers. If you do not expect much parallel changes to the documents it would probably work fine. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: OK, what is that? Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant grin I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the trick for us. And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
I meant, Zimbra - Comcast is using it. (See here: http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/05/open-source-or-free-web-apps.html) Dylan Bouterse wrote: Kimbra? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing Would ThinkFree work? http://online.thinkfree.com/ Or Talk Write http://www.talkandwrite.com/english/index.php Or Active Collab: http://www.activecollab.com/ OpenOffice.org? HyperOffice or Kimbra if anyone is using it. BTW, these are great tools that you can offer your clients for stickiness. Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that you have to find someone that knows how it works. :( A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though, would work perfectly with MS Word. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
George Rogato wrote: David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan. Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to hold emails or to send very large files. Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around. But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail. George Do any of you offer Blackberry open source like open x-change or funambol? -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
David E. Smith wrote: Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that you have to find someone that knows how it works. :( A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though, would work perfectly with MS Word. David Smith MVN.net intermedia.Net, 1and1.com or a free trial: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsserver/sharepoint/V2/techinfo/trial.mspx -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MTU BPL
The Motorola Solution I have used is 10-14Mbps total. Works like a hub in capacity. Have later technology should be out real soon now ;) (new chip set) that will take to 35-50Mbps. Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL Telkonet has an in-house BPL (isn't this like HPNA?) solution. Now there is paint that can keep the RF from leaking outside the walls. Zack Kneisley wrote: If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds of 15 Mbps Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these stories, so take it with a grain of salt. On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been against BPL due to RF pollution. That said, a technical evolution could resolve some of those issues. I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if anyone here has worked with them. Does anyone else have a internal BPL system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher class than what you'd get at Best Buy? I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about 25). That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak of 25. Is that sort of speed par for the course? Is that per circuit or gross? 8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is attractive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet that aren't met by Google Docs? Thanks, Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Can't use anything public like that. We're working on sensitive data and the parties involved don't want anyone from outside the involved companies to have access to it. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing Try google docs and spreadsheets. Free and easy... David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing OK, what is that? Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant grin I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the trick for us. And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the use of the designated recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, (or authorized to receive for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of it or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments and contact the sender by reply email or telephone (800) 945-3294. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Can't use that either. HAS to be inhouse. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing David E. Smith wrote: Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that you have to find someone that knows how it works. :( A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though, would work perfectly with MS Word. David Smith MVN.net intermedia.Net, 1and1.com or a free trial: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsserver/sharepoint/V2/techinfo/trial.mspx -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Law enforcement stuff. Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet that aren't met by Google Docs? Thanks, Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing
http://www.docushare.com/ Also have a 30-day free trial. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing Law enforcement stuff. Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet that aren't met by Google Docs? Thanks, Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:LeBoeuf;Cliff FN:Cliff LeBoeuf ORG:Computer Sales Services, Inc. TEL;WORK;VOICE:(985) 879-3219 ADR;WORK;PREF:;;1162 Barrow Street;Houma;LA;70360;United States of America LABEL;WORK;PREF;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:1162 Barrow Street=0D=0A= Houma, LA 70360 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:2 URL;WORK:www.cssla.com www.triparish.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-TEXT;CUSTOM1:Computers - Copiers - Internet PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAeAB4AAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wAAR CABQAEsDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD0/U7ybXRqGt6xqFzZ6HaSy29vbW07RLME J+Z8dWOG74xjivKNS+JfhW0vJIU811U9ftRqT4x3MsHwd0xYm2iS8ugw9eDXzb4X0G/8Ta5b aVpMXm3U5wATgKByST2AFU207I56dOM4KUlds97u/jB4Wtxxa3szekUxP65xSwfFbTJ0WWDw v4hkgIz5i5I/Q17F8K/gdoPhGzhnvYVvNU2/PO4IOeenJA4OOPxzWnLolj4y8Sz2qhP+Ef0a cRNaiMgS3abSZC2QWC7ioU5XIJOSFwcz7l+xp/yr7jwu1+Kmn3kZls/CviKeFfvPHlgPyNJF 8X/C7KfNs7+B16xyyMGH5Zr6qkXRNFSKKdrS1EhCr5rBdx/GvL/iN4A8OeP/AB9Y6Y1vCJdK j8++Kq4ZxKD5abgwGPkLHqfu9MnJzPuHsaf8q+48ks/ixpeoFhpnhnX7wL94wktj8iaWP4ue G/NaG507UrOZeClxIVIPvzX1NbaXoXhvT1Hl21pboMb5DgAfjWH8Qvh14e+IHh17W8gj3uhk tbqInMblTtcYIyOc46GjmfcPY0/5V9x5v8M9W8P+PZLu00DVNY0nXrRBIypdttdT/EvOGHqC MjIrvtM+IsNnaC28SYj1eB3iuBCnyZViARk9wAfxr5i+BWg33hH9o220W9OJrdrmEsOkihXA YdeDtzXo/wAQmI8a6wAf+XhqunHn0ZyYuqsKlOK30MX41/8AJH9I/wCv27/9BNbX7GvhJIdD vvEdwgaS6kCQkg8KhZT+uaxfjX/yR/SP+v27/wDQTXqH7JskT/BnS1jZS6Szq4HUHznIB/Ai s5bs66H8OPog/aA+J1v4Q0a4sLWV/wC0nQDauOCcYB5z05P1HrTP2UNVXVvhcZXk8y6S+nFw TgHezbz+e8H8a8B/a2a5T4pX0c8cyQyLDJCWUhZF8pASD3wwIrnvgX8S734e+ICyzGTS7khL m0kY+WQSuXUAgCQAYyc8HGPRGp6j+03ovxBHie4uLGO51Dw5cOkkMdrCZDGwXBVwBnqCc8jk d66j9kXxFea7/wAJSNZleXVIpLfe0gAbYI/LQYAHQR4/U8mvV/CfxH8LeLkiitb2KO4lOEtb sqryH/Z5Ib8CayPHnhiHw5K/jbwxCLTVNPR3uYIV2xXsRADecq4L7Fyy88EUAcP+1BpfjyYw
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
straight from Barracuda - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please contact them if you haven't yet. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
I have it on a 3 year amort so I would have to have at least $500 for it I can still shoot it and keep it on my shelf as an asset...If I sell it I loose the depreciation from the books...LOL - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
What part of the CALEA stuff requires an NDA? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Law enforcement stuff. Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet that aren't met by Google Docs? Thanks, Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for others. There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the WISPA lists. If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the list members and support our industry at the same time. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Frank, you are right on Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no other vendor or wireless member has come close to. You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you fully understand the ramifications of your blatant advertizing post, which aside from being sneaky also bashes a WISPA member. So the two things you need to do, is apologize to Frank and buy a membership or do not post any more advetizing baloney again. If you don't apologize to Frank, you will be quickly removed. I regret having to take this approach, but you Dee know the rules and this is where the rubber hits the road. George Frank Muto wrote: As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee. George Rick Harnish wrote: I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for others. There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the WISPA lists. If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the list members and support our industry at the same time. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Board Applications Available for Review
Peter, The WISPA Board Election is scheduled for June 15, 2007. Unfortunately, I will not be attending ISPCON this year as my daughter is graduating that Friday night. I will however be attending the Digital Cities Convention in Chicago Tuesday and Wednesday. I hate to miss ISPCON, but it just won't fit in my family schedule this time. I believe John Scrivner, Matt Larsen, Tom DeReggi and Mac Dearman will be there, I'm not sure about any others. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Board Applications Available for Review 11 great candidates. Just a quick thank you to the Board members for bringing WISPA along this far. Lots of forward thinking from the candidates. When's the vote? How many candidates will be at ISPCON? Rick Harnish wrote: The election for the WISPA Board is coming up in a few weeks. We have 11 applicants for 7 Board positions. These applications can be reviewed at http://nominations.wispa.org http://nominations.wispa.org/ . Election instructions will be made as the election approaches. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop acting like one. Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion. Apology not accepted. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] routers
Hi, Does anyone have a source for generic 802.11b firewall/routers that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock. Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] routers
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: Does anyone have a source for generic 802.11b firewall/routers that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock. Depends on what you mean by cheap and by firewall. For a router with real firewall capability you can go with Mikrotik RB133C at less than $100 with case, power supply and RouterOS. If you want something cheap that is not really a firewall, then I've always liked the Trendnet routers available all over the place. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] routers
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: Does anyone have a source for generic 802.11b firewall/routers that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock. Depends on what you mean by cheap and by firewall. For a router with real firewall capability you can go with Mikrotik RB133C at less than $100 with case, power supply and RouterOS. If you want something cheap that is not really a firewall, then I've always liked the Trendnet routers available all over the place. Err that should be RB150 (not 133C). The RB150 is 5 ethernet ports and no mini-pci. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run
We need to have Ron run a new Ethernet run at Waltonville. Is there a big enough opening in the outdoor case there to terminate the Cat 5 before we send it up with Ron? Can Ron terminate Cat 5? We need to know these things before we send him up the tower obviously. This needs to be the first thing done tomorrow. Scriv begin:vcard fn:John Scrivner n:Scrivner;John org:Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. adr;dom:PO Box 1582;;1 Dr Park Road Suite H1;Mt. Vernon;Il;62864 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:618-244-6868 url:http://www.mvn.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run
John Scrivner wrote: We need to have Ron run a new Ethernet run at Waltonville. Is there a big enough opening in the outdoor case there to terminate the Cat 5 before we send it up with Ron? Can Ron terminate Cat 5? We need to know these things before we send him up the tower obviously. This needs to be the first thing done tomorrow. Um, wrong 'wireless' list, boss. :D David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
