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Re: [WISPA] NOC

2008-10-22 Thread Josh Luthman

For a picture from 1999 I'd expect CRTs...

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> Not bad but the CRT's are not impressive. I figure there should be
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Blair Davis





Shielded cable for anything over 20ft above ground.  flooded cable for
buried lines.

Nope.  no Ethernet failures.

Jim Patient wrote:

  Do you use shielded cable for your CPE installs?   Have you lost any 
ethernet chips?

Blair Davis wrote:
  
  
My NS2's work great!

I just want an NS9!!

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


  I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios 
have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.  
I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.  

The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity 
"new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any 
stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the 
states is going to be beta.  

Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy 
if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy 
replacement.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Chuck McCown wrote:
  
  
  
We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
Canopy but they have their place.

  


  
  


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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 3

It has a working name of "NanoStinger".  I am being coy.   It is a private 
label project I am doing for Charles.  Same parts as all superstingers.  Just a 
custom case made for the Nano.  It is essentially a regular 2.4 high gain flat 
panel.  Only 14" square.  Only one mount.  Quick and easy to deploy.
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

  I'm just waiting to see how many Nano's get completely busted. They use the 
regular mounting, but then it's a HUGE panel that just fits over the Nano and 
has a pigtail that you plug into the external port. Not sure I really 
understand the concept, when you could just use a regular 2.4ghz antenna and do 
the same thing. 

  So, it's not really a Stinger, more of an external antenna with pigtail that 
slips over the top of the Nano. And did I mention it's a HUGE square flat 
panel? ;)

  Travis
  Microserv

  Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 
Dang, so the rumor IS true.  What a great idea... ;-)
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

  I saw Wu running around with something like this at WiMax World .. might
wanna ask him ;-)

-drew

Chuck McCown wrote:
I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2...
- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

  I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.

The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
"new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
states is going to be beta.

Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
replacement.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Chuck McCown wrote:

We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x 
products,
you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement 
for
Canopy but they have their place.

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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Travis Johnson





I'm just waiting to see how many Nano's get completely busted. They use
the regular mounting, but then it's a HUGE panel that just fits over
the Nano and has a pigtail that you plug into the external port. Not
sure I really understand the concept, when you could just use a regular
2.4ghz antenna and do the same thing. 

So, it's not really a Stinger, more of an external antenna with pigtail
that slips over the top of the Nano. And did I mention it's a HUGE
square flat panel? ;)

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

  Dang, so the rumor IS true.  What a great idea... ;-)
- Original Message - 
From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti


  
  
I saw Wu running around with something like this at WiMax World .. might
wanna ask him ;-)

-drew

Chuck McCown wrote:


  I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2...
- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti



  
  
I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.

The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
"new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
states is going to be beta.

Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
replacement.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Chuck McCown wrote:



  We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x 
products,
you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement 
for
Canopy but they have their place.



  


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Re: [WISPA] NOC

2008-10-22 Thread RickG

Not bad but the CRT's are not impressive. I figure there should be
LCD's in their place. -RickG

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a NOC...
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 3

Sorry, forget which list I am on at times.
AF09 == AnimalFarm '09
Motorola Canopy Users Groupie bash in January.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ben Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti


> AF09?
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> On 10/22/08, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am sure he can make AF09... right Gino?
>> Is Ubiquity going to be there?
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>> From: "Ben Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
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>>> Hey Gino!!!
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>>> Snow should start falling soon :-). You coming out this year?
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>>> Regards,
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>>> On 10/22/08, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Ben!

 How you've been? Long time ! still in Utah?

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 Hi Guys,

 The loco/bullet products will start shipping within a few weeks.

 Regards,
 Ben Moore
 Ubiquiti Networks



 On 10/22/08, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>
> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has
 any
> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to
 the
> states is going to be beta.
>
> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
> replacement.  :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that
 option.
>>
>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x
 products,
>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement
 for
>> Canopy but they have their place.
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 3

Dang, so the rumor IS true.  What a great idea... ;-)
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti


>I saw Wu running around with something like this at WiMax World .. might
> wanna ask him ;-)
>
> -drew
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> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2...
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
>>
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>>> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
>>> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
>>> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>>>
>>> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
>>> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
>>> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
>>> states is going to be beta.
>>>
>>> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
>>> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
>>> replacement.  :^)
>>>
>>> Matt Larsen
>>> vistabeam.com
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
 connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
 I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

 They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x 
 products,
 you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement 
 for
 Canopy but they have their place.



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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Drew Lentz

I saw Wu running around with something like this at WiMax World .. might 
wanna ask him ;-)

-drew

Chuck McCown wrote:
> I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2...
> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
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>> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
>> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
>> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>>
>> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
>> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
>> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
>> states is going to be beta.
>>
>> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
>> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
>> replacement.  :^)
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> 
>>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>>>
>>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products,
>>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for
>>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread David Hulsebus

We use shielded cable for all our outdoor POE installs. We also use an 
APC ethernet surge protector after a grounded 12V, PacWireless POE 
injector. I throw away all  the non-grounded injectors and power 
supplies when they come out of the box - from any supplier. I have 30 
NS5's in use and have lost one due to an ethernet issue since last fall. 
The router it was attached to survived. The customer lost a well pump, 
and a few other things as a result of a lightning strike about 200 ft 
from the house. They lost the tree it hit too. I'm surprised that we 
didn't loose the rf side with so much energy in the air that close. I 
haven't had any experience with the NS2 or PS2.


Jim Patient wrote:
Do you use shielded cable for your CPE installs?   Have you lost any 
ethernet chips?


Blair Davis wrote:
  

My NS2's work great!

I just want an NS9!!

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios 
have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.  
I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.  

The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity 
"new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any 
stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the 
states is going to be beta.  

Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy 
if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy 
replacement.  :^)


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Chuck McCown wrote:
  
  
We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.

I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
Canopy but they have their place.


  





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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Jim Patient

Do you use shielded cable for your CPE installs?   Have you lost any 
ethernet chips?

Blair Davis wrote:
> My NS2's work great!
>
> I just want an NS9!!
>
> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios 
>> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.  
>> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.  
>>
>> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity 
>> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any 
>> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the 
>> states is going to be beta.  
>>
>> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy 
>> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy 
>> replacement.  :^)
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>   
>>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
>>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>>>
>>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
>>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
>>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread John Scrivner

Please close this thread. The alleged infraction did not happen within
WISPA resources and is no longer a thread worthy of this dialog as it
would appear all viewpoints have been discussed about this several
times for several years. In essence the discussion of alleged spam is
now filling my inbox with more useless space than any spam I received
today.
Thank you for closing this thread,
John Scrivner


On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Mark McElvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I sorry, but by your definition ALL email is spam if you did not
> specifically ask for it. If I emailed you directly I would be spamming
> you unless I called and asked first.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Paul Dowling
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
>
> The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we didn't
> ask
> you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail.  Just because
> you
> politely ask to
> send spam doesn't make it right.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>>
>> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You
>> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to
>> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or
>> >click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole
>> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
>>
>> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended
>> to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a
>> mailman list.  It is not "double opt-out" at all.  It is a
>> confirmation message.  The reason I configured it that way was so
>> that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed.
>>
>> --
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>> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE   *
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Mark McElvy

I sorry, but by your definition ALL email is spam if you did not
specifically ask for it. If I emailed you directly I would be spamming
you unless I called and asked first.

Mark


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Behalf Of Paul Dowling
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we didn't
ask
you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail.  Just because
you
politely ask to
send spam doesn't make it right.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>
> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You
> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to
> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or
> >click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole
> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
>
> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended
> to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Blair Davis





My NS2's work great!

I just want an NS9!!

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

  I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios 
have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.  
I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.  

The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity 
"new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any 
stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the 
states is going to be beta.  

Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy 
if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy 
replacement.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Chuck McCown wrote:
  
  
We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
Canopy but they have their place.

  

  
  



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Task management

2008-10-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott

A company that I work with occasionally has produced this:

http://todoz.com
 


ryan

Mario Pommier wrote:
> Customer is looking for a good Task Management Solution.
>
> I've found these two online solutions:
>  -- http://www.same-page.com
>  -- https://www.teamworklive.com
>
> I wouldn't mind installing a Linux server solution for this in my 
> datacenter, but I don't know of one.
>
> Any thoughts are appreciated.
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> Thanks.
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[WISPA] OT: Task management

2008-10-22 Thread Mario Pommier

Customer is looking for a good Task Management Solution.

I've found these two online solutions:
 -- http://www.same-page.com
 -- https://www.teamworklive.com

I wouldn't mind installing a Linux server solution for this in my 
datacenter, but I don't know of one.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

>Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with 
>something that relates to what I do.  I'm even more open to that 
>sort of thing on our Sales@ or Info@ addresses.  What I ask is that 
>I be removed as soon as I tell them I don't want their emails.

The thing that has ALWAYS been troublesome to me is getting off 
these lists.  It is the reason, frankly, that I approached it as I 
did.  Either way, I'm not going to continue in this argument or 
discussion (whatever term you want to apply).

I will say again to all on this list...if you want off the list I 
created, you have but to ask.

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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:

>The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we 
>didn't ask you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited 
>e-mail.  Just because you politely ask to send spam doesn't make it 
>right.

I understand your position.  I'm not trying to justify any action on 
my part, either.  I don't even feel the need to do so.  I recognise 
that the email both frustrated and angered you.  In truth, I even 
agree with your position to a point.  I simply felt like this was a 
better approach than sending the message with the advertisement 
first.  If you disagree, that is your right.  Consider this my 
public apology to you (and others) if you are or were offended by 
this approach.  As the original message stated, anyone who requests 
it either by following the link in the message OR by sending me a 
direct email WILL be removed and will NOT be seeing further email 
from me on this subject.

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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

I would agree with you Jeff.

Associations such as WISPA are a fine balance of Vendors and WISP's, without
either of them the association would just be a casual 'watering hole' -:)

Getting annoyed at a particular vendor or even a particular person is
understandable, but a public 'lashing out' against a Vendor Member(s) of
Association, over a Email Ad's,  on the list is a bit over the top.
 
Just my two cents.

(it takes less time to hit the delete key than the write emails)

-:)

Faisal Imtiaz
SnappyDSL.net

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with something
that relates to what I do.  I'm even more open to that sort of thing on our
Sales@ or Info@ addresses.  What I ask is that I be removed as soon as I
tell them I don't want their emails.

I've been on two lists for years that I can't seem to get rid of, and one of
them is my alma mater...go figure.  

Regards,

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

Apparently there's the widely accepted terms and then each individual's
term, which can vary quite widely.


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From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

> The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we didn't 
> ask you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail.  Just 
> because you politely ask to send spam doesn't make it right.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>>
>> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You 
>> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to 
>> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or 
>> >click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole 
>> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
>>
>> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended 
>> to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a 
>> mailman list.  It is not "double opt-out" at all.  It is a 
>> confirmation message.  The reason I configured it that way was so 
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick

Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with something
that relates to what I do.  I'm even more open to that sort of thing on our
Sales@ or Info@ addresses.  What I ask is that I be removed as soon as I
tell them I don't want their emails.

I've been on two lists for years that I can't seem to get rid of, and one of
them is my alma mater...go figure.  

Regards,

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

Apparently there's the widely accepted terms and then each individual's
term, which can vary quite widely.


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From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

> The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we didn't ask
> you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail.  Just because 
> you
> politely ask to
> send spam doesn't make it right.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>>
>> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You
>> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to
>> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or
>> >click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole
>> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
>>
>> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended
>> to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a
>> mailman list.  It is not "double opt-out" at all.  It is a
>> confirmation message.  The reason I configured it that way was so
>> that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett

Apparently there's the widely accepted terms and then each individual's 
term, which can vary quite widely.


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From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

> The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we didn't ask
> you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail.  Just because 
> you
> politely ask to
> send spam doesn't make it right.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>>
>> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You
>> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to
>> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or
>> >click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole
>> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
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>> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Paul Dowling

The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail.  Obviously we didn't ask
you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail.  Just because you
politely ask to
send spam doesn't make it right.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>
> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You
> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to
> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or
> >click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole
> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
>
> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended
> to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Moore

AF09?



On 10/22/08, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am sure he can make AF09... right Gino?
> Is Ubiquity going to be there?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ben Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
>
>
>> Hey Gino!!!
>>
>> Snow should start falling soon :-). You coming out this year?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/08, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Ben!
>>>
>>> How you've been? Long time ! still in Utah?
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Ben Moore
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:10 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> The loco/bullet products will start shipping within a few weeks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben Moore
>>> Ubiquiti Networks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/08, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
 have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
 I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.

 The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
 "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has
>>> any
 stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to
>>> the
 states is going to be beta.

 Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
 if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
 replacement.  :^)

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com

 Chuck McCown wrote:
> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that
>>> option.
>
> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x
>>> products,
> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement
>>> for
> Canopy but they have their place.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott

That is the standard config for mail-man. I think there are well over 10 
digits of this software installed around the planet in this method.

ryan

Butch Evans wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:
>
>   
>> I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You 
>> click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to 
>> verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or 
>> click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole 
>> domain in our spam filter for the entire network.
>> 
>
> There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended 
> to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a 
> mailman list.  It is not "double opt-out" at all.  It is a 
> confirmation message.  The reason I configured it that way was so 
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote:

>I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You 
>click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to 
>verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or 
>click on a link.  Double opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole 
>domain in our spam filter for the entire network.

There was no spam sent.  In fact, the original message was intended 
to ask your permission to do so.  The unsubscribe is normal for a 
mailman list.  It is not "double opt-out" at all.  It is a 
confirmation message.  The reason I configured it that way was so 
that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed.

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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I am sure he can make AF09... right Gino?
Is Ubiquity going to be there?

- Original Message - 
From: "Ben Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti


> Hey Gino!!!
>
> Snow should start falling soon :-). You coming out this year?
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
>
>
> On 10/22/08, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ben!
>>
>> How you've been? Long time ! still in Utah?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Ben Moore
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:10 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> The loco/bullet products will start shipping within a few weeks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben Moore
>> Ubiquiti Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/08, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
>>> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
>>> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>>>
>>> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
>>> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has
>> any
>>> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to
>> the
>>> states is going to be beta.
>>>
>>> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
>>> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
>>> replacement.  :^)
>>>
>>> Matt Larsen
>>> vistabeam.com
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
 We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
 connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
 I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that
>> option.

 They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x
>> products,
 you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement
>> for
 Canopy but they have their place.


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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Moore

Hey Gino!!!

Snow should start falling soon :-). You coming out this year?

Regards,
Ben



On 10/22/08, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben!
>
> How you've been? Long time ! still in Utah?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ben Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> The loco/bullet products will start shipping within a few weeks.
>
> Regards,
> Ben Moore
> Ubiquiti Networks
>
>
>
> On 10/22/08, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
>> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
>> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>>
>> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
>> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has
> any
>> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to
> the
>> states is going to be beta.
>>
>> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
>> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
>> replacement.  :^)
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that
> option.
>>>
>>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x
> products,
>>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement
> for
>>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Gino Villarini

Ben!

How you've been? Long time ! still in Utah?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

Hi Guys,

The loco/bullet products will start shipping within a few weeks.

Regards,
Ben Moore
Ubiquiti Networks



On 10/22/08, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>
> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has
any
> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to
the
> states is going to be beta.
>
> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
> replacement.  :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that
option.
>>
>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x
products,
>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement
for
>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Moore

Hi Guys,

The loco/bullet products will start shipping within a few weeks.

Regards,
Ben Moore
Ubiquiti Networks



On 10/22/08, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>
> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
> states is going to be beta.
>
> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
> replacement.  :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>>
>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products,
>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for
>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown

I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2...
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti


>I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios
> have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.
> I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.
>
> The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity
> "new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any
> stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the
> states is going to be beta.
>
> Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy
> if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy
> replacement.  :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>>
>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products,
>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for
>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios.   The NS2 radios 
have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use.  
I'd love to see an NS9 at some point.  

The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity 
"new product releases" - they are vaporware for a while.  No one has any 
stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the 
states is going to be beta.  

Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy 
if properly deployed.   So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy 
replacement.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Chuck McCown wrote:
> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>
> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
> Canopy but they have their place.
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread reader

I was told not count on any of this stuff being available for 6 to 12 
months...







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> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
>
> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Not meaning to sound like an ad here...
>>
>> Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?
>>
>> I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
>> without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
>>
>> Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved 
>> their supply line issues...
>>
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[WISPA] OSBridge Needed

2008-10-22 Thread Scott Vander Dussen

Looking for an OSBridge 5GXT HPN radio needed for upcoming deadline (highgain 
is out of stock) - please email me scottvelociter.net offlist if you have 
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Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?

2008-10-22 Thread Paul Dowling

I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You click a link
to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your
unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link.  Double
opt-out?!?!?!  I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for the
entire network.

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> I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list.  You click a
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>> Spam is different from UCE (unsolicited email).
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>> But I don't normally buy from companies that send me junk mail.
>>
>> On the other hand, how do they get ahold of any of us these days?
>>
>> Tough call sometimes.
>>
>> Of course, they can always PAY for ads on wispa's lists.
>> malron
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>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:22 PM
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Sharples

We've been testing the nanostations with the idea of loading our own code 
onto them. Look good so far other than some minor bugs. They provide an SDK 
altho with very limited support (actually none) for the SDK itself. So if 
you're Linux conversant and have time to experiment and test it's an 
interesting option. They are mechanically very light duty (one of our 
customers dropped one and it broke) so not something we'd want to use in an 
industrial setting.

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> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>
> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products,
> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for
> Canopy but they have their place.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
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>> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
>> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
>> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
>>
>> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> Not meaning to sound like an ad here...
>>>
>>> Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?
>>>
>>> I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios
>>> without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
>>>
>>> Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved
>>> their supply line issues...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Jeromie Reeves

A WiMax bullet would be incredibly sweet. Lets hope they move in that direction.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am more excited about the "Bullet".  I think that is an extremely
> disruptive device and would love to see how this begins to change up the
> game. As a CPE, I see great things for this .. how long before the
> "WiMax Bullet" is available from UBNT?
>
> -d

I have and use NS2/5's as all my CPE gear now, thats why I am excited
to see the Loco/Bullet. The Loco/Bullet
are new PCB's (well the bullet is for sure, maybe not the loco) so I
want to get my hands on a few (or people who have) and see how they
perform.

> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA
>> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
>> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>>
>> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products,
>> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for
>> Canopy but they have their place.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
>>
>>
>>
>>> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
>>> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
>>> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
>>>
>>> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not meaning to sound like an ad here...

 Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?

 I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios
 without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.

 Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved
 their supply line issues...


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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread jp

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:30:23AM -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
> 
> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?

As far as I'm concerned the present nanostations are beta. One recent 
AirOS version didn't let you download the configuration, the next 
version breaks wpa2-aes. I've had zero trouble getting nanostations for 
a couple months. I have had plenty of trouble deploying them and 
figuring out their quirks. I'd like to see some software improvements as 
well.


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> >
> > I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
> > without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
> >
> > Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved their 
> > supply line issues...
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Drew Lentz

I am more excited about the "Bullet".  I think that is an extremely 
disruptive device and would love to see how this begins to change up the 
game. As a CPE, I see great things for this .. how long before the 
"WiMax Bullet" is available from UBNT?

-d
Chuck McCown wrote:
> We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
> connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
> I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.
>
> They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
> you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
> Canopy but they have their place.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
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>   
>> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
>> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
>> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
>>
>> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not meaning to sound like an ad here...
>>>
>>> Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?
>>>
>>> I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
>>> without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
>>>
>>> Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved 
>>> their supply line issues...
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown

We have tried the full sized nanostations.  They have an external SMA 
connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain.
I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option.

They do what they say they will do.  But just like all 802.11x  products, 
you have to know how to apply them.  They will never be a replacement for 
Canopy but they have their place.

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> They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
> gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
> fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
>
> Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Not meaning to sound like an ad here...
>>
>> Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?
>>
>> I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
>> without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
>>
>> Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved 
>> their supply line issues...
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] NOC

2008-10-22 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net

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Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Jeromie Reeves

They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
gear to wisps  =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)

Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not meaning to sound like an ad here...
>
> Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?
>
> I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
> without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.
>
> Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved their 
> supply line issues...
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[WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett

Not meaning to sound like an ad here...

Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti?

I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios 
without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49.

Post reviews if anyone gets any of these.  I wonder if they've solved their 
supply line issues...


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[WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008

2008-10-22 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net

Just a FYI, I got this from Mikrotik..   I wanted to make sure I sent it 
out to everyone..

The tranzeo timestamp issues comes from tranzeo implementing a timestamp 
check that is not included in the 802.11 standard for ap to client 
communications.

The timestamp check is included in the standard for the adhoc (IBSS) 
wireless mode (which is not commonly used and Mikrotik does not support) 
-- and there is are reasons that it is included in adhoc mode and not in 
ap to client mode.

The standard requires clients to accept the beacon timestamp 
unconditionally in ap to client mode.  Tranzeo has added a specific 
check because they said they thought it is logical that the check be 
applied to ap to client mode.  Good standards implementations do not add 
things to a standard.  These standards are made by IEEE committees of 
engineers that are very specific on what they include and don't 
include.  If a company wants to change a standard, then they need to 
join the committee and, through peer review, get a new standard approved.

We have made a work-around for their violation of the standard.  But 
rather than somebody saying thank you, the old saying of 'no good deed 
goes unpunished' is proven again.  We make many work-arounds for 
incorrect standards implementations and extension by companies such as 
Microsoft, Realtek, and now Tranzeo.  We do that to help our customers, 
but in reality, the vendors that do not follow the standards should fix 
the problem.

In summary, it is very unfair that we are blamed for problems made by 
another company that does not implement the standard correctly.  Many 
people in this business don't do it just for money, but because they 
like making things (be it WISP or equipment for WISP).  Rants without 
basis kind of put a wet blanket on the whole party.

For those that would like to research this, here a clear reference from 
the 802.11 standard that is pertinent:

 From 802.11-2007, 11.1.1.1 TSF for infrastructure networks:
... A receiving STA shall always accept the timing information in Beacon
frames sent from the AP servicing its BSS. If a STAâEUR^(TM)s TSF timer 
is different
from the timestamp in the received Beacon frame, the receiving STA shall 
set
its local TSF timer to the received timestamp value.

Tranzeo decided to assume that receiving a beacon with timestamp less 
than in previous beacon indicates that the AP has restarted (the 
standard has another method to handle restarted ap units).  This check 
is not in the standard and this a tranzeo addition to the standard that 
has cause the disconnect problem that Ryan has suffered from.

Regards,

Mikrotik

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D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> Oh don't think I have not tried to shame them into this MULTIPLE times... :)
>
> Damian! Get on it!
>
> ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue 
> Oct 10th, 2008
>
> Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor
> Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have
> asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last
> WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as
> yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik
>> Users Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue
>> Oct 10th, 2008
>>
>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>
>> (Please pardon my extensive use of () and "" in this here email, I am
>> not so good with the typin' stuff!
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>> A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a
>> "random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs."
>>
>> First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it)
>> Then it was "tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda" (no that is not it
>> either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although "not as often")
>> Then it was "you must have some power issue with the boards browning out
>> on the routeros board you are using" (nope, not that either)
>> Someone even threw in "Pl

Re: [WISPA] NOC

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 3

Looks like Tim Hogard's basement to me.

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Subject: [WISPA] NOC


> Here's a NOC...
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> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/images/media/photos/73764g2_hires.jpg
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[WISPA] NOC

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett

Here's a NOC...

http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/images/media/photos/73764g2_hires.jpg


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