Re: [WISPA] Local County Fair
We had this problem too for 3 years in a row. Last year I didn't take a computer in just a posterboard with some info on the services. This year I decided not to go because no one signed up last year and attendance at the fair has been declining. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Local County Fair Being a very Rural WISP 90% of my clients and potential clients will attend the local County 4-H fair. For years I have had a booth in the commercial building. I setup a really sharp booth (trade-show type) and a fancy computer that I sell in my shop and 2 small systems as WIFI demo units. What I end up with is from 12 noon to 9:00 in the evening I have to have staff there to baby sit the 4-H kids who are board and want to sit and play on YouTube, Facebook, and MySpace. The last 2 years we have not sold a single computer, and have setup few wireless clients. It is great PR. People ask questions when they can get to you through all the Kids. Anyone else do anything like this. What do you do. Is there a good Kiosk system that you can put up to help people get info. I need a better plan that I don't have to baby sit 9 hours a day. I don't have the time to do this myself this year (have my own kids in 4-H with horses and other animals). Any Ideas. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA Website Updates
If you haven't noticed, WISPA has a new website. It is a great improvement over the previous one and I would like to thank Frank Muto and the Web Design Committee for their work in this accomplishment. Hamrick Design from Columbus, OH did the actual design and upgrade work. WISPA would also like to thank him. There is still more work to do updating some of the pages but I think most will find that this sight is much easier to navigate. If you have a chance, go to the website and review it. Let us know what features and content you would like to see added. Matt Larsen's group at Inventive Media, are working on a radius authentication process to allow current members to log in and access protected information. This is not completed yet, but I would like to set a target date of July 1st to complete this members only library. You will also notice that WISPA has joined the Twitter revolution. The Board is encouraged to use Twitter to keep our members updated. The updates also show up on the right sidebar of the webpage. If you follow wispaboard on Twitter, you can receive instant updates to your cell phone. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Local County Fair
I think that would be a better idea... redirect those domains to a splash screen saying that the connection is for demo purposes only. Maybe allow something like Hulu to go through, so that you could show streaming speed (not YouTube, obviously), but keep the social networking sites blocked. Also, I'd suggest posting a sign asking people to limit their time to 10 minutes since it's a demo, and require that children be accompanied by a parent or guardian. After all, you don't want them to discover that YOU are letting their precious snowflakes view adult content on the demo machines - that would be a business killer. InLine vickie edwards, MPA | Grant Specialist InLine Connections Solutions Through Technology 600 Lakeshore Pkwy Birmingham AL, 35209 205-278-8106 [p] 205-941-1934[f] vedwa...@inline.com www.InLine.com All Quotes from InLine are only valid for 30 days. This message and any attached files may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the message recipient. If you are not the message recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Local County Fair Or just block myspace, facebook, twitter, etc. on those computers On 5/19/09 6:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: You might try just doing free wifi hotspots for people around the fair. Force them to a splash page that tells them you are giving the wireless away and that you can provide it to their homes (for a fee) as well. Beyond that, you might try getting a flyer in all of the fair stuff etc. I'd also not be afraid of keeping the kids off of the computers. At least make them have a parent with them. That'll keep the crowds down so that the adults will be able to get to you etc. have fun! marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Local County Fair Being a very Rural WISP 90% of my clients and potential clients will attend the local County 4-H fair. For years I have had a booth in the commercial building. I setup a really sharp booth (trade-show type) and a fancy computer that I sell in my shop and 2 small systems as WIFI demo units. What I end up with is from 12 noon to 9:00 in the evening I have to have staff there to baby sit the 4-H kids who are board and want to sit and play on YouTube, Facebook, and MySpace. The last 2 years we have not sold a single computer, and have setup few wireless clients. It is great PR. People ask questions when they can get to you through all the Kids. Anyone else do anything like this. What do you do. Is there a good Kiosk system that you can put up to help people get info. I need a better plan that I don't have to baby sit 9 hours a day. I don't have the time to do this myself this year (have my own kids in 4-H with horses and other animals). Any Ideas. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: 888-293-3693 x4352 Fax: 574-855-5761 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Local County Fair
Or just block myspace, facebook, twitter, etc. on those computers On 5/19/09 6:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: You might try just doing free wifi hotspots for people around the fair. Force them to a splash page that tells them you are giving the wireless away and that you can provide it to their homes (for a fee) as well. Beyond that, you might try getting a flyer in all of the fair stuff etc. I'd also not be afraid of keeping the kids off of the computers. At least make them have a parent with them. That'll keep the crowds down so that the adults will be able to get to you etc. have fun! marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Local County Fair Being a very Rural WISP 90% of my clients and potential clients will attend the local County 4-H fair. For years I have had a booth in the commercial building. I setup a really sharp booth (trade-show type) and a fancy computer that I sell in my shop and 2 small systems as WIFI demo units. What I end up with is from 12 noon to 9:00 in the evening I have to have staff there to baby sit the 4-H kids who are board and want to sit and play on YouTube, Facebook, and MySpace. The last 2 years we have not sold a single computer, and have setup few wireless clients. It is great PR. People ask questions when they can get to you through all the Kids. Anyone else do anything like this. What do you do. Is there a good Kiosk system that you can put up to help people get info. I need a better plan that I don't have to baby sit 9 hours a day. I don't have the time to do this myself this year (have my own kids in 4-H with horses and other animals). Any Ideas. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: 888-293-3693 x4352 Fax: 574-855-5761 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
Seriously, wireless technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's ability to educate the general public about what wireless is. Steve Barnes wrote: I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana. I got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was down. My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand that we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a tech help her out. The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the radio to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows a connection to their router at the house. Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working. Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now nothing. Tech: Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are aware of. Client: not that I know of. Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and Router. Client: How am I supposed to do that. Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units. Client: I can't get to them right now. Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or via the Ethernet cable. Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car. Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car. Client: I'm on my way to Chicago. Tech: So your not at home. Client: No, 75 miles from home. Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier. Client: No I have your service. You guys said that if I bought a router I could use it anywhere. Tech: Anywhere in your home. Client: What good will that do me in Chicago. Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to your location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most. That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month. Client: That's really great that's not what I want. How do I get a contract that will cover the whole country. Tech: Verizon or sprint. Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so bad. Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
*Slams head on desk* Does it make any logical sense for those two little rabbit ear antennas in your house to be able to reach Chicago? On 5/20/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Seriously, wireless technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's ability to educate the general public about what wireless is. Steve Barnes wrote: I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana. I got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was down. My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand that we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a tech help her out. The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the radio to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows a connection to their router at the house. Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working. Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now nothing. Tech: Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are aware of. Client: not that I know of. Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and Router. Client: How am I supposed to do that. Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units. Client: I can't get to them right now. Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or via the Ethernet cable. Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car. Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car. Client: I'm on my way to Chicago. Tech: So your not at home. Client: No, 75 miles from home. Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier. Client: No I have your service. You guys said that if I bought a router I could use it anywhere. Tech: Anywhere in your home. Client: What good will that do me in Chicago. Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to your location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most. That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month. Client: That's really great that's not what I want. How do I get a contract that will cover the whole country. Tech: Verizon or sprint. Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so bad. Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Thanking Marlon and multipath experience
I admit that most of you can dance around me in the field of RF. I'm more of an installer and management type. Today I had a Nano CPE with a -48 dbi signal which, as you know, is amazing; it should be it was a block away from the tower. The problem is the customer had long outages and erratic service. Aiming away from the tower kept the great connection but still crappy pings. Marlon suggested Multipath as a possibility and advised to turn the radio to B only and reduce the power on the radio. I had heard of Multipath but never experienced it. We changed both settings and while the signal stayed at -48dbi the time-outs and erratic pings went away. 90% of our system is two or more miles from towers, so we never had this problem before. This particular town is the only place where the towers are on buildings all within ½ mile of nearly everyone It answered a lot of problems for others in town we have been battling supposed interference with and I just wanted to publically thank Marlon for exposing me to a side of RF I hadn't even thought of. This is what makes WISPA worth it to me. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
You have to remember, Only 8% of the worlds Population has common sense. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers are great *Slams head on desk* Does it make any logical sense for those two little rabbit ear antennas in your house to be able to reach Chicago? On 5/20/09, Jack Unger wrote: Seriously, wireless technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's ability to educate the general public about what wireless is. Steve Barnes wrote: I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana. I got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was down. My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand that we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a tech help her out. The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the radio to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows a connection to their router at the house. Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working. Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now nothing. Tech: Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are aware of. Client: not that I know of. Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and Router.. Client: How am I supposed to do that. Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units. Client: I can't get to them right now. Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or via the Ethernet cable. Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car. Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car. Client: I'm on my way to Chicago. Tech: So your not at home. Client: No, 75 miles from home. Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier. Client: No I have your service. You guys said that if I bought a router I could use it anywhere. Tech: Anywhere in your home. Client: What good will that do me in Chicago. Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to your location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most. That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month. Client: That's really great that's not what I want. How do I get a contract that will cover the whole country. Tech: Verizon or sprint. Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so bad. Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
Even if that figure was pulled from thin air it is so easily believable. How sad is that?! On 5/20/09, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: You have to remember, Only 8% of the worlds Population has common sense. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers are great *Slams head on desk* Does it make any logical sense for those two little rabbit ear antennas in your house to be able to reach Chicago? On 5/20/09, Jack Unger wrote: Seriously, wireless technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's ability to educate the general public about what wireless is. Steve Barnes wrote: I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana. I got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was down. My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand that we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a tech help her out. The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the radio to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows a connection to their router at the house. Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working. Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now nothing. Tech: Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are aware of. Client: not that I know of. Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and Router.. Client: How am I supposed to do that. Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units. Client: I can't get to them right now. Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or via the Ethernet cable. Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car. Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car. Client: I'm on my way to Chicago. Tech: So your not at home. Client: No, 75 miles from home. Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier. Client: No I have your service. You guys said that if I bought a router I could use it anywhere. Tech: Anywhere in your home. Client: What good will that do me in Chicago. Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to your location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most. That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month. Client: That's really great that's not what I want. How do I get a contract that will cover the whole country. Tech: Verizon or sprint. Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so bad. Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
On 5/20/2009 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Even if that figure was pulled from thin air it is so easily believable. How sad is that?! nod Conversely, MOST business owners have common sense. I wonder what the ratio is for politicians? Rk - ducking for cover! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
Put another way, common sense is an oxymoron? Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
Or put another way - common sense is no longer common. It's uncommon. Rick Kunze wrote: Put another way, common sense is an oxymoron? Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Website Updates
Great work guys. The website looks great. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:47 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Website Updates If you haven't noticed, WISPA has a new website. It is a great improvement over the previous one and I would like to thank Frank Muto and the Web Design Committee for their work in this accomplishment. Hamrick Design from Columbus, OH did the actual design and upgrade work. WISPA would also like to thank him. There is still more work to do updating some of the pages but I think most will find that this sight is much easier to navigate. If you have a chance, go to the website and review it. Let us know what features and content you would like to see added. Matt Larsen's group at Inventive Media, are working on a radius authentication process to allow current members to log in and access protected information. This is not completed yet, but I would like to set a target date of July 1st to complete this members only library. You will also notice that WISPA has joined the Twitter revolution. The Board is encouraged to use Twitter to keep our members updated. The updates also show up on the right sidebar of the webpage. If you follow wispaboard on Twitter, you can receive instant updates to your cell phone. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service Limits
I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information? John Mike Hammett wrote: If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in John Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom, they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to flow through Ashburn or Dallas. -Matt On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Just download a file via http from our web server at http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip and then http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to just one of the servers please (they take same route). If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then the data is not too useful for me... Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
Hello Mike, Have to step in here and disagree. Private property. If they don't want you they can keep you out one way or another. This may not sit well with some, but it is the proper thing to do. The market will always sort these type of issues out themselves without third party or government intervention. This is no different than comparing any property amenity. Property A has XYZ vs. Property B doesn't. Some will find the XYZ amenity important and opt for Property A over B. If enough people do then you can bet Property B will find a way to add XYZ or a comparable amenity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Service Limits I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information? John Mike Hammett wrote: If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in John Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom, they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to flow through Ashburn or Dallas. -Matt On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Just download a file via http from our web server at http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip and then http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to just one of the servers please (they take same route). If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then the data is not too useful for me... Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
When I was at EarthLink we had a study commissioned by an organization and these types of customer mentalities were going to be the norm due to the choice of words in marketing the product. The general perception by the masses was that if it was wireless they would expect their laptops to work anywhere. The general consumer just doesn't have the experience or the understanding of the network architecture and with the ubiquitous term wireless they lump that in with many things. There is no differentiation to the average public. Sad but this is a reality all WISP's will come across more often than not if their service gains mass adoption and the term wireless is used heavily in their marketing. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers are great *Slams head on desk* Does it make any logical sense for those two little rabbit ear antennas in your house to be able to reach Chicago? On 5/20/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Seriously, wireless technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's ability to educate the general public about what wireless is. Steve Barnes wrote: I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana. I got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was down. My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand that we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a tech help her out. The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the radio to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows a connection to their router at the house. Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working. Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now nothing. Tech: Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are aware of. Client: not that I know of. Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and Router. Client: How am I supposed to do that. Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units. Client: I can't get to them right now. Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or via the Ethernet cable. Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car. Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car. Client: I'm on my way to Chicago. Tech: So your not at home. Client: No, 75 miles from home. Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier. Client: No I have your service. You guys said that if I bought a router I could use it anywhere. Tech: Anywhere in your home. Client: What good will that do me in Chicago. Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to your location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most. That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month. Client: That's really great that's not what I want. How do I get a contract that will cover the whole country. Tech: Verizon or sprint. Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so bad. Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
I have tried to get service to potential customers in Bishop Ranch. They make it almost impossible. Have to use their contractors to install the dish and run the cables, no access to telco rooms, etc. They are bastards. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Service Limits I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information? John Mike Hammett wrote: If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in John Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom, they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to flow through Ashburn or Dallas. -Matt On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Just download a file via http from our web server at http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip and then http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to just one of the servers please (they take same route). If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then the data is not too useful for me... Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
Glad you said MOST, my experience over the years, is there is a Zillion Business People, but not that many that stay in business for very long. They are the 92% crowd. Rick Kunze wrote: On 5/20/2009 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Even if that figure was pulled from thin air it is so easily believable. How sad is that?! nod Conversely, MOST business owners have common sense. I wonder what the ratio is for politicians? Rk - ducking for cover! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
This is an interesting conversation, the next question is, say you have a MDU, 200 condos. The condo complex upon being built agreed to have you as the internet provider. Now, lets say you want to use the existing cable system (the privately owned coax in the building to EVERY condo). no prob, you drop in a headend and start going, now the cable company wants to come in and offer cable TV. now that normally is not an issue, but if they have their own headend (and they won't tell you, you will have to know if they offer it in the area prior), in many cases there is no agreement with the cable co and the building owners, its just an amenity. So, if you have a contact with the condo, can you tell them that the cable company has to provide a filter coax tv service with no DOCSIS ? MOst cases the cable company will just say screw you. But its the same thing with a tower lease. But then is this worth fighting with the prosperity owners? Jerry Richardson wrote: I have tried to get service to potential customers in Bishop Ranch. They make it almost impossible. Have to use their contractors to install the dish and run the cables, no access to telco rooms, etc. They are bastards. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Service Limits I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information? John Mike Hammett wrote: If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in John Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom, they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to flow through Ashburn or Dallas. -Matt On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Just download a file via http from our web server at http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip and then http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to just one of the servers please (they take same route). If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then the data is not too useful for me... Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
