Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup
Take my dialup, please! I'd gladly trade that in, in a big hurry! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup Bucks for Baud? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup My suggestion for Phase II of the Broadband Stimulus Program: http://tinyurl.com/kmd4hn Other potential program titles: Money for Modems? Bucks for Broadband? Wampum for Wireless? Any other ideas? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup
Darn, I was hoping to get $4500 for each of the clunker PM3's in the attic. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 02:14:04AM -0400, Robert West wrote: Take my dialup, please! I'd gladly trade that in, in a big hurry! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup Bucks for Baud? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup My suggestion for Phase II of the Broadband Stimulus Program: http://tinyurl.com/kmd4hn Other potential program titles: Money for Modems? Bucks for Broadband? Wampum for Wireless? Any other ideas? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollarsfor Dialup
Money for masochists. If you wrote an application you know what I mean. My suggestion for Phase II of the Broadband Stimulus Program: http://tinyurl.com/kmd4hn Other potential program titles: Money for Modems? Bucks for Broadband? Wampum for Wireless? Any other ideas? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com / WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup
My kids don't need any more future debt to pay for. Kthx Funny though thanks for the laugh. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup My suggestion for Phase II of the Broadband Stimulus Program: http://tinyurl.com/kmd4hn Other potential program titles: Money for Modems? Bucks for Broadband? Wampum for Wireless? Any other ideas? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We've got Cash for Clunkers - how about Dollars for Dialup
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: My suggestion for Phase II of the Broadband Stimulus Program: http://tinyurl.com/kmd4hn That really is a pretty awful idea from the WISP perspective. WISPs rarely have market recognition and name value. Ask most anyone about their broadband choices - you'll probably get some combination of cable modem, DSL, maybe fiber, maybe satellite, maybe cell-data card. So if a consumer suddenly is given lots of money to switch to a broadband provider, who will she call? She'll probably start with the people she's heard of - and in most markets, WISPs are not gonna be top-of-mind. Now let's say she has heard of her local WISP. She probably saw the news articles about the auto rebate program, and how the initial infusion of money was basically spent before the program officially opened. She wants to get on this now, before the opportunity disappears. Many WISPs need a bit of lead time to get a new customer installed - they often have to send a truck out to do the install, and some of them do a pre-qualification signal check before scheduling the install proper. Meanwhile, she can pick up that cellular data card RIGHT NOW, and be sure of getting her rebate. We won't even get into coverage issues and how WISPs rarely have 100% coverage, thanks to trees and hills and such. If the customer signs up for someone else's service, that company gets the money, which they may use to build out infrastructure (or maybe buy a fourth gold-plated Humvee, who knows). While this arguably is good for the customer, and for broadband penetration as a whole, it's pretty horrible for WISPs. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Sounds like standard hotspot functionality. Lots of ways to do that. For homegrown backend check out Mikrotik. Jeff Yette wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I know a provider in Florida that covers a bunch of Condos that uses Meraki's inside all the units to get good signals everywhere. I've never used them personally though. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Sounds like standard hotspot functionality. Lots of ways to do that. For homegrown backend check out Mikrotik. Jeff Yette wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
We are using Radius Manager 3 (http://www.radius-manager.com/?gclid=CNqwrZL8spwCFSMeDQodd2XJnQ). It's not the best, but it is the best we found for the price. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Jeff Yette wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
I know it works, but will the FCC come crashing down on me if they find out I have these in place? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
On Thu, August 20, 2009 2:51 pm, Jason Hensley wrote: I know it works, but will the FCC come crashing down on me if they find out I have these in place? As long as you're licensed (just a couple hundred bucks), and every 3650 endpoint is registered with the FCC (you have to register not just your towers, but also every customer in a PtMP setup, AFAICT), and you're within power guidelines, it shouldn't be a problem. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wiliboard grounding
I took the board out of a Deliberant AP2i wireless indoor router, just to experiment. It is one of the Wiliboards. There is no apparent grounding point on this board. Have any of you messed with these? How did you ground it? I soldered a ground wire to the metal shield on the RJ45 jack on the board, but wondered if there was a better way. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
* Jason Hensley wrote, On 8/20/2009 3:51 PM: I know it works, but will the FCC come crashing down on me if they find out I have these in place? FIrst you need to lite-license yourself and make sure you (your locations) are not in an exclusion zone. If so, then take 2. Otherwise, proceed and follow the rules. I also would use the Ligowave stuff as well even though I've used the MTK stuff. I'm disappointed in the Ubiquiti stuff (at least 900) and wouldn't want the same thing to happen there (3650) leon -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
Already licensed, so covered there. Will definitely register each one, covered there. Just making sure that the equipment I'm looking at won't cause problems with the FCC. Now, my preference would be to grab a Tranzeo starter kit, or to grab a Ligowave pair for this, but the ole' pocketbook is just a little tight right now and I've GOT to do something about my primary backhaul. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 On Thu, August 20, 2009 2:51 pm, Jason Hensley wrote: I know it works, but will the FCC come crashing down on me if they find out I have these in place? As long as you're licensed (just a couple hundred bucks), and every 3650 endpoint is registered with the FCC (you have to register not just your towers, but also every customer in a PtMP setup, AFAICT), and you're within power guidelines, it shouldn't be a problem. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
Any reason you're avoiding MT with 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wiliboard grounding
Use a meter to see if you continuity between the ground you made on the shield and the negative pin on the power connector. If it goes through, you're good. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wiliboard grounding I took the board out of a Deliberant AP2i wireless indoor router, just to experiment. It is one of the Wiliboards. There is no apparent grounding point on this board. Have any of you messed with these? How did you ground it? I soldered a ground wire to the metal shield on the RJ45 jack on the board, but wondered if there was a better way. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
I think that should read table, not cable. Josh Luthman wrote: I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
I think I listed all my reasons. No support from anyone on it MT doesn't get the channel right (small but on a bad day big) Poor bang/buck - Ligowave is best here IMO On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Any reason you're avoiding MT with 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Ruckus works great for this. Hit me offlist if you want more information. Honestly though... as a CLEC... shouldn't you be looking at VDSL instead of wireless? The Moto/TuT systems stuff isn't that bad price wise. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I think the Broadband Over Powerline is the best idea here given all the concentrated stray RF you'll be dealing with. In the long run, you'll have a lot less service calls too, I can bet. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
Guess you did not contact the right people for support on them. :) WE have quite a few of them up and running happily. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I think I listed all my reasons. No support from anyone on it MT doesn't get the channel right (small but on a bad day big) Poor bang/buck - Ligowave is best here IMO On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Any reason you're avoiding MT with 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I've seen equipment that will go through the meters as well as transformers. I cant remember the manufacturer but they're out there. But at what price. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I had to stop and think, doesnt BPL already pass through the meter? I think it's the transformer that give it the problem, the meter is just a pass-through, not much resistance whatsoever. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
That's why Ruckus blows away anything else. Beamforming on a packet by packet basis. Put the noise in the nulls :-D Easy to do with 4000+ antenna patterns in one AP. Price wise... the G units are $300ish... so compared to any other commercial grade wi-fi solution (by that I mean controller based... which I think would be a must... easy to manage if you have hundreds of AP's)... Ruckus comes out on top in my book (but admittedly I am blinded by the cool geek factor :-D Also, Flexmaster allows you to manage multiple controllers... so you could literally manage everything from one place. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Was going to say that I charged it almost a year ago and used it numerous times and it still comes on without complaining. So battery in it last a long time without re charging. They are. Not end user replaceable though. But for the price I paid if the battery stop taking a charge I will just replace it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:59:40 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
How accurate it? My Garmin is quite a way off Richard 2009/8/20 e...@wisp-router.com Was going to say that I charged it almost a year ago and used it numerous times and it still comes on without complaining. So battery in it last a long time without re charging. They are. Not end user replaceable though. But for the price I paid if the battery stop taking a charge I will just replace it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:59:40 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
I did post on this list, IIRC. Only Tom said he had one. Been a few weeks/months. On 8/20/09, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Guess you did not contact the right people for support on them. :) WE have quite a few of them up and running happily. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I think I listed all my reasons. No support from anyone on it MT doesn't get the channel right (small but on a bad day big) Poor bang/buck - Ligowave is best here IMO On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Any reason you're avoiding MT with 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Meter not the issue. Transformers are. You need one AP per phase (pair of power wires). It should go past the meter since the power companies are trying to go pole to inside. Direction through meter won't matter. Jeff Yette wrote: The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Looks like a winner so far. And cheap enough as you said. At that price I could do 2 so as to be able to find at least one when I need it. The Earthmate setup was big enough there was no way to lose all that mess. One for me and one for the employee who decides he doesn't want to put it where it belongs. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:05 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Was going to say that I charged it almost a year ago and used it numerous times and it still comes on without complaining. So battery in it last a long time without re charging. They are. Not end user replaceable though. But for the price I paid if the battery stop taking a charge I will just replace it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:59:40 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Which also means you're going to have to compete with Wi-Fi that the cable customers will install. If you go wireless... Ruckus will help with that problem. Also you can authenticate with LDAP, not just Radius or Active Directory Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Besides the Meter issue... its also a shared stream. So you get 10Mb across the whole building to share with all of your customers. That might be an issue, might not be. I thought BPL was dead ;-D I'd personally still vote for VDSL though Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Scan the building to see the noise then you can see if wireless is viable. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Nah, the Smart meter gives them incentive. They can save a buck by not having meter readers anymore and still gain a new revenue stream. I looked at the BPL map for Ohio, we used to only have a small test spot in Cinci but it's in all sections of the state now. But with that said, the electric companies are used to being a public regulated company. They make money in spite of themselves so their customer service for any internet service they may provide, I'm sure, will be as heavy handed and emotionless as the electric service. Shared stream is okay, isnt that what we do? As long as he has some sort of traffic shaping he'll be cool. But 10mb is a bit on the low side, I must say. Dude, you're a CLEC! Where's all your cheap fiber for this thing??? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Besides the Meter issue... its also a shared stream. So you get 10Mb across the whole building to share with all of your customers. That might be an issue, might not be. I thought BPL was dead ;-D I'd personally still vote for VDSL though Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
It's not all that bad as long as you live up with the 3 problems listed below. Pricing I think is within range if not less. We have 1 link up with it and it works as good as 2/5GHz does. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I think I listed all my reasons. No support from anyone on it MT doesn't get the channel right (small but on a bad day big) Poor bang/buck - Ligowave is best here IMO On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Any reason you're avoiding MT with 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Is this the unit? Winplus AC13268-72 Beacon GPS Tracker e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Sams is selling a thing called Beacon GPS tracking unit. It has no maps on it and no big fancy screen to break. It got a rubber edge. It's design for vehicle track on tracking of your hiking trailing. You need to plug it in to a usb port to download the track data. But that is superficial and unnecessary. The unit have a simple green lcd on which you can display current coordinates and height compass directions and satellite reception. I did an initial charge on it almost a year ago and used it a few times. I think the unit ran me about 85. Was looking to use it as a vehicle tracker to see how our service Van was used but it was to cumbersome to use that way IMO and no external antenna ended up getting a different unit with external antenna and gsm system so I can see real time live on a web app interface where the van is and driving speeds and where it's been without accessing the device in the van. This first unit I today just use to get gps coordinates and high info so I don't have to use laptop or a fancy flashy gps unit that costs a lot. It's about the size of a thicker flip phone so can easily be stored in your pant or breast pocket. Ohh you charge by USB cable and I want to say it came with usb sync/charge cable and car cigarette lighter adapter if not the later you probably own a few already or you can pickup a cheap one at any place that sell cellphones, pda's, mp3 players and in truck stops or even in many gas stations if you would end up forgetting it or if you simply just to have such a adapter in each car you and the business uses. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:23:50 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
BPL is not a good solution. Issues with corroded splices, line noise, and generally limited distance is part of why moto discontinued it. Wireless would be my last choice for so many reasons, mostly due to interference but there are other issues such as reliabilty, consistency, hidden node, bandwidh hogs, etc. IMO vdsl from moto or netsys is the highest reliabilty, highest bandwidth (up to 70mbps) solution. Drop it in, cross connect and drop the modem in their apartment at their prefered phone jack and get out. I have not had one vdsl modem or switch fail in over 4 years. I don't even think about them, they just work. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Yep, then drop a MT in front of the DSLAM and bingo you have a DSL hotspot :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings BPL is not a good solution. Issues with corroded splices, line noise, and generally limited distance is part of why moto discontinued it. Wireless would be my last choice for so many reasons, mostly due to interference but there are other issues such as reliabilty, consistency, hidden node, bandwidh hogs, etc. IMO vdsl from moto or netsys is the highest reliabilty, highest bandwidth (up to 70mbps) solution. Drop it in, cross connect and drop the modem in their apartment at their prefered phone jack and get out. I have not had one vdsl modem or switch fail in over 4 years. I don't even think about them, they just work. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
exactly Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Yep, then drop a MT in front of the DSLAM and bingo you have a DSL hotspot :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings BPL is not a good solution. Issues with corroded splices, line noise, and generally limited distance is part of why moto discontinued it. Wireless would be my last choice for so many reasons, mostly due to interference but there are other issues such as reliabilty, consistency, hidden node, bandwidh hogs, etc. IMO vdsl from moto or netsys is the highest reliabilty, highest bandwidth (up to 70mbps) solution. Drop it in, cross connect and drop the modem in their apartment at their prefered phone jack and get out. I have not had one vdsl modem or switch fail in over 4 years. I don't even think about them, they just work. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has a DirecTV dish hung off it. A huge wall of DirecTV bouncing all over. With all this RF concentrated in such a small place, what band should they be looking at as well as antenna choice. I think THAT would be hard part to see what would work reliably before sinking cash into the accessories for that MT board. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
We did recently do a 4400 unit hotel complex. Both outdoor APs aiming at the buildings along with a DSLAM system with APs attached to finish up the coverage areas.Average around 1000-1500 active users at once. Sometimes more up to 2k when they had a convention. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings exactly Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Yep, then drop a MT in front of the DSLAM and bingo you have a DSL hotspot :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings BPL is not a good solution. Issues with corroded splices, line noise, and generally limited distance is part of why moto discontinued it. Wireless would be my last choice for so many reasons, mostly due to interference but there are other issues such as reliabilty, consistency, hidden node, bandwidh hogs, etc. IMO vdsl from moto or netsys is the highest reliabilty, highest bandwidth (up to 70mbps) solution. Drop it in, cross connect and drop the modem in their apartment at their prefered phone jack and get out. I have not had one vdsl modem or switch fail in over 4 years. I don't even think about them, they just work. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also be a revenue stream if you can lease the converter and a router the end user. Easy to install. Plugs right into any electrical outlet in the apartment. No need to worry about sharing Time Warner's cable, the electrical is part of the building! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Yette Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we are in Time Warner territory so we competing in space where the apartments are wired with Coax that TW owns. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree to that. For what you are doing, the Mikrotik would be a no brainer to decide on. But that that, he's looking to install indoors with many apartments. All the cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, wireless routers, PlayStations, Wii consoles and the like all about as close as one could stand. Oh, and dunno the location but I've seen way too many of these apartment complexes where each and every balcony has
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
Same here, iPhone 3GS with MotionX GPS app for a few bucks. I love it and its always with me. I use it a lot more than the garmin eTrex that site on a shelf now (hey maybe you could ask me about selling it to you lol) I have not been too pleased with the compass though :) (oh yeah, or the ATT service) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? This might sound off-the-wall, but you could do a lot worse than pick an iPhone. The GPS in it works really very well, compass and all. In terms of ruggedness, one of my staff members dropped his iPhone from a tower 110' up. Stupid, I know, but he was trying to talk to the guy on the ground. Anyway, the phone survived the fall after he put the pieces back together. It does have a small dent. But he didn't even have to bring it back in to Apple tech support. Oh, if anyone was wondering, turns out that battery IS removable ;-). Anyway, we've been so pleased with the iPhone we bought every single staff member an iPhone last year-even the book keeper. Chuck On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Those DSLAMs work good; we have a couple. ADSL2 works great over the distances found on private properties. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 04:32:32PM -0400, Jeff Yette wrote: The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff, Are there any wires to each room? Like copper phone lines for xDSL? Do you have to pay for these wires? Obviously cat5 lines to each room is not going to get you a reasonable ROI. Wireless should be an option - several devices have been suggested. If you can simply get them to bridge and need a portal you can buy WISP router's platform. I believe you buy it and install it on your own hardware. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=Gatespoteq=Tp= Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Those DSLAMs work good; we have a couple. ADSL2 works great over the distances found on private properties. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 04:32:32PM -0400, Jeff Yette wrote: The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate meter. We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as APs back to a soekris router on our side where we can force the user through a portal page (acceptable use) ... this part we can do easily. It's the authenticated user management portion that is tough. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki hardware mentioned, but seem to remember they phone home to a central server, but a mesh system could work. At 01:16 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: Hi All - I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed before. Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out our service area (three small business communities) are many apartment buildings. It is easy for us to provide phone service to those units, but Internet is another story as the buildings are not wired for Internet. The cost of pulling wire is too expensive and too time consuming. We are looking for a way to place centrally located access points/wireless routers in these apartments to connect the tenants. Easy enough if we wanted a wide-open connection - but the tough part comes in trying to manager user accounts. We need away that would present a log-in page, and then upon entering valid credentials authenticated back against something like a radius service, they would gain access to the internet. To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. Thanks for listening Jeff Yette Sales Engineer Slic Network Solutions (www.slic.com) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
And MT has a RADIUS server piece that does authentication and is free. User Manager. But it is nasty to get going. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Jeff Yette wrote: To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the web authentication piece. If you're willing to roll your own, Mikrotik RouterOS has built-in hotspot functionality that can easily be configured to talk to your RADIUS server of choice. The ugly-but-functional version can probably be going in an hour; you'll want to make your own pretty login page and do some other cosmetic tweaks, but those aren't too difficult either. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
