Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end. They should have said let¹s talk in a couple of months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to extend the contract. I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18 months into the contract. Just means the contract was extended. Happens a lot. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Sales Lead
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
Could a squid caching server accomplish the same sort of bandwidth savings, maybe more due to the fact it is caching ALL the content not just Akamai? I've never use used a web cahce always had the bandwidth and the problems were not worth it When we had Mikrotik redirecting to squid we saved about 20 - 30 percent overall bandwidth. That was on a 50mbps circuit. Not only that it sped up popular sites quite a bit. The downside, so many sites gave trouble it just was not worth it. To much tech support. To enable it manually just for select sites will likely not be worth the time. I really wish websites were all proxy friendly. We could save some bandwidth and improve end user experience. Video streaming could even use encrypted cached chunks to save bandwidth through a proxy cache. Disk space is cheap. Could easilly put together a box with 4+ TB drives. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. What would be nice is if you could just drop your own Squid box in on your network with a wide file size caching limits, open only to your IP pool, give Akamai your IP pools and the IP of the proxy and they just tell all devices on your network to proxy through it. No expense to them but everyone still saves bandwidth. Think about it, every high school and college could throw one in as well. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Then you aren't talking to the right people, or they changed their policy. http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/index.aspx Maria Azada Comcast- Enterprise Business Services Direct: 847-585-0409 Cell: 773-447-8487 Azada, Maria [maria_az...@cable.comcast.com] I haven't spoken with her in quite some time, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:05 AM, David Sovereen wrote: Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Eric Rogersecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
The CO may not have the right gear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I was looking at a netbook (and actually uBid borked my auction). 8.9 screen, 8 GB SSD HDD, 2GB RAM, wifi and LAN. Not sure I really need more than that for installs\tower climbing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I've been using Netbooks for half a year now, they are so much more handy to carry than a full-sized unit. I have all the diagnostic tools I need on it, the screen is bright in the sun and it lasts the whole day, easily, on one charge. My installer lost one and it was $300 to replace, not $5-800 like a full-sized one. Since all they are is for diagnostics I don't need the power of a full-size laptop. The Costco brands are not bad, I have a Samsung and it runs great. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/2/2010 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
Who is the local power company in your area ? (Pretty much all power companies have a side division which deploys and operates a fiber network.) Most of them provide services carrier to carrier as such don't advertise too much... The power companies have right of way and as such can bring fiber service to anywhere... (these days the alternate Cell Carriers are big clients of the Power/Fiber companies... since the local ILECS, pretty much refuse to provide them with reasonable cost, high capacity circuits). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/2/2010 12:04 PM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
have you used any of those minis? I would suggest borrowing one for a week first. I get more use out of my Droid then the netbook. There are Android tables that would do better for a pure install type device, namely with the touch screen vs kb and can be cheaper then a net/mini. Net/Minis really are extremely low end hardware for the price. Most people I know can not stand the small screen (constantly scrolling) and small keyboard. The performance of the Atom is abysmal at best, even for its clock speed. The missing out-of-order window really effects perforce if a modern OS. For the price of the netbook/minis I just get a $350~400 wal-Mart de jure from HP or Acer. I run Gentoo Linux with VirtualBox from Sun with the same WinXP I've had for years (I have added win7 to that since the beta days). What is great about using a vbox vm is I have a full backup of the OS and can fire it up on any hardware I want with out it knowing there was a change. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
Are these laptops and netbooks actually capable of pushing 100mbps? Or are you just verifying the gigabit link works? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I've been using Netbooks for half a year now, they are so much more handy to carry than a full-sized unit. I have all the diagnostic tools I need on it, the screen is bright in the sun and it lasts the whole day, easily, on one charge. My installer lost one and it was $300 to replace, not $5-800 like a full-sized one. Since all they are is for diagnostics I don't need the power of a full-size laptop. The Costco brands are not bad, I have a Samsung and it runs great. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/2/2010 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 The CO has to support it. It is a form of metro Ethernet. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:04:33 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:04 -0500, Matt wrote: We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? It's Opt E MAN... https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 We were in the same situation (ATT fiber with a DS3 for ~10 years), but they did let us upgrade from our DS3 to Opt E MAN without pulling any new fiber. Maybe they don't have that capability in your CO? -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
The EEE Seashell 1008AH is fast eth and is not readable for beans in sunlight, not sure about the others. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I'm not for sure, hard to find much out about anyone who has actually tested that. I believe I have found what I'm looking for though in the Acer Aspire One AO721. GigE, hell of a price, and lots of nice features. If we go with that one, I'll test out that GigE performance and report back. On 9/2/2010 12:33, Josh Luthman wrote: Are these laptops and netbooks actually capable of pushing100mbps? Or are you just verifying the gigabit link works? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I've been using Netbooks for half a year now, they are so much more handy to carry than a full-sized unit. I have all the diagnostic tools I need on it, the screen is bright in the sun and it lasts the whole day, easily, on one charge. My installer lost one and it was $300 to replace, not $5-800 like a full-sized one. Since all they are is for diagnostics I don't need the power of a full-size laptop. The Costco brands are not bad, I have a Samsung and it runs great. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/2/2010 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
i like my small toshiba, and before that an hp mini - both are good Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? The EEE Seashell 1008AH is fast eth and is not readable for beans in sunlight, not sure about the others. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
NewEgg has a Hannspree model based on the Intel Atom processor. Ref: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834237001 Bobby On 02/09/2010 11:44 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: The EEE Seashell 1008AH is fast eth and is not readable for beans in sunlight, not sure about the others. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.netwrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I use netbooks up on the towers now. Great for simple configs and tests but I put a full size laptop back in the van because the keys and screen are too small to do any serious work on for any length of time. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? I was looking at a netbook (and actually uBid borked my auction). 8.9 screen, 8 GB SSD HDD, 2GB RAM, wifi and LAN. Not sure I really need more than that for installs\tower climbing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
Oh, make sure if you get a net book that is has a REAL mechanical hard drive in them. Some have a solid state drive and not only do they use more power but they die quicker. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I use a refurbished eeepc that was 179 bucks. I use the Linux OS that came on it and it works great. I really like having multipe profiles that I can switch bewtween rather than configuring the IP every time. Screen is a little tough to see but I know what I'm looking at so I can make out enough to click the right thing. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? I use netbooks up on the towers now. Great for simple configs and tests but I put a full size laptop back in the van because the keys and screen are too small to do any serious work on for any length of time. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? I was looking at a netbook (and actually uBid borked my auction). 8.9 screen, 8 GB SSD HDD, 2GB RAM, wifi and LAN. Not sure I really need more than that for installs\tower climbing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
There are ATT sales reps that aren't lazy? Where? I'll take contact info :-) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end. They should have said let’s talk in a couple of months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to extend the contract. I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18 months into the contract. Just means the contract was extended. Happens a lot. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:52:38AM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. This is because it can take 6 months to put in facilities, so 8 months is reasonable planning. You should keep this schedule in mind too when shopping for a potential replacement. If you think you are going to be switching, you could have ATT and perhaps Comcast or someone while doing the ARIN/BGP setup, then drop ATT after setting up BGP. It would satisfy the application requirements and the renumbering would make it easier for you to drop ATT. Talk to your sales guy toward the end of the month when he's probably trying to get some extra business. The obviously don't want to trade a current connection for something cheaper, but perhaps if you mentioned you want more bandwidth for the same money, or triple the bandwidth for a little bit more money, the idea of them getting the same or more money is appealing. With ATT there is also likely a period for you to cancel the contract. Like they need 60-90 days notice or it self renews or other stupid things. Be aware of that. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
RIP should work just fine, however, there are things that need to occur and work for RIP to work. Same thing with OSPF. So what looks like a RIP issue can actually be a multi-cast issue, or some other configuration issue that may go unnoticed. Something could change, etc. So that's the issue you have. Too many times people will say its an OSPF issue, or RIP issue. When they never troubleshoot why the protocol is acting the way it is. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by ATT fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the ATT incumbent local exchange companies. Then I put in the address of the ATT central office, got the same results. Do they have anybody actually running this company? - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyble To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan Of particular interest is http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
SSDs typically have lower power consumption than HDDs and, as a consequence, laptop manufacturers are starting to embrace them as optional replacements to standard HDDs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, make sure if you get a net book that is has a REAL mechanical hard drive in them. Some have a solid state drive and not only do they use more power but they die quicker. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). Jeff ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3101 - Release Date: 09/02/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. This an excerpt from his published statement: Recent events have highlighted questions on how open Internet rules should apply to 'specialized' services and to mobile broadband -- what framework will guarantee Internet freedom and openness, and maximize private investment and innovation. As we've seen, the issues are complex, and the details matter. Even a proposal for enforceable rules can be flawed in its specifics and risk undermining the fundamental goal of preserving the open Internet. Accordingly, the FCC's Wireline and Wireless Bureaus are seeking further public comment on issues related to 'specialized' (or 'managed') services and mobile broadband. The information received through this inquiry, along with the record developed to date, will help complete our efforts to establish an enforceable framework to preserve Internet freedom and openness. So, people, get your commentary in. If you're wondering how to approach it in an informative way, this link here might help. I'll give you specific permission to quote, copy, whatever... It's written simplistically, but addresses almost all aspects of net neutrality.If you have ideas that might improve this, let me know. http://hubpages.com/hub/Network-Neutrality-an-ISP-POV Honestly, people do not understand that there really truly cannot be perfect net neutrality, and that the way people define the term is widely varied. I've discussed this with numerous customers, and once they grasp what is being asked for and what is being proposed, and that the legal framework simply doesn't fit the service, they're never in favor of it. We need to blanket our country with this kind of informative statement. Thanks ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen several times. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:13:32 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by ATT fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the ATT incumbent local exchange companies. Then I put in the address of the ATT central office, got the same results. Do they have anybody actually running this company? - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyble mailto:char...@knownelement.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan Of particular interest is http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen several times. Just got another full OC3 quote for one of these locations. 20K$ monthly plus change. The port part of this was only like 5.6K$ monthly and the rest was loop. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
We send our crews out with the Linux ASUS EeePCs. They have been good performers with quick booting. Order extra keyboards as they seem to be the weak link on these. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send in more posts to keep them from producing rules that put WISPs and other competitive ISPs out of business. It looks as if this latest statement was hastily produced as a way to take what Verizon and Google agreed to and rapidly turn it into rules. Julius is enamored of the deal, for the deal's sake, whatever the deal is. He has a hard-on for FiOS and thinks Google is a deity, so their collective opinion trumps 310 million Americans' interests. Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network for other offerings, but the types of services that IT managers need for business communications (links between their buildings, etc.) are apparently to be banned from open provision. This is just a little gotcha that Verizon snuck in, an exmaple of the type of idiocy that this proceeding, and the neutrality movement, has begotten. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service request
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Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Thus my question... - Original Message - From: L. Aaron Kaplan To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Why not! Point of a routing protocol! J Regardless, RIP is outdated, and if possible you should work on moving off of that! --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr mailto:jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active Directory partitioning replication, over a decade ago...still in use today with several hundred servers. No need to mention the old ccMail system with over 300 post office databases sitting on Novell servers for which I another guy wrote a series of batch files apps nested 8 levels deep, to replicate directory changes between the post office databases...before ccMail had a directory update app that worked. That was fun. Good stuff for a laugh and a nod for those who understand us older guys and our older protocols. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites. On smaller sites, we have some StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
Could you give us all a link to these provisions? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send in more posts to keep them from producing rules that put WISPs and other competitive ISPs out of business. It looks as if this latest statement was hastily produced as a way to take what Verizon and Google agreed to and rapidly turn it into rules. Julius is enamored of the deal, for the deal's sake, whatever the deal is. He has a hard-on for FiOS and thinks Google is a deity, so their collective opinion trumps 310 million Americans' interests. Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network for other offerings, but the types of services that IT managers need for business communications (links between their buildings, etc.) are apparently to be banned from open provision. This is just a little gotcha that Verizon snuck in, an exmaple of the type of idiocy that this proceeding, and the neutrality movement, has begotten. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network for other offerings, but the types of services that IT managers need for business communications (links between their buildings, etc.) are apparently to be banned from open provision. This is just a little gotcha that Verizon snuck in, an exmaple of the type of idiocy that this proceeding, and the neutrality movement, has begotten. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. Ok, RIP works, and is stable if it is left alone. No routing loops, so backup routes. As long as someone does not decide to audit your network you should be ok. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them are these proposals, from the new Further Inquiry: (E) Limit Specialized Service Offerings: Allow broadband providers to offer only a limited set of new specialized services, with functionality that cannot be provided via broadband Internet access service, such as a telemedicine application that requires enhanced quality of service.19 (F) Guaranteed Capacity for Broadband Internet Access Service: Require broadband providers to continue providing or expanding network capacity allocated to broadband Internet access service, regardless of any specialized services they choose to offer. Relatedly, prohibit specialized services from inhibiting the performance of broadband Internet access services at any given time, including during periods of peak usage.20 end quote -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
EXACTLY! Not for big time BS but for quick, down and dirty diag and config. Was up with one this afternoon. Works just fine for its purpose. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? I've been using Netbooks for half a year now, they are so much more handy to carry than a full-sized unit. I have all the diagnostic tools I need on it, the screen is bright in the sun and it lasts the whole day, easily, on one charge. My installer lost one and it was $300 to replace, not $5-800 like a full-sized one. Since all they are is for diagnostics I don't need the power of a full-size laptop. The Costco brands are not bad, I have a Samsung and it runs great. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. On 9/2/2010 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
The ones I have looked into have been an actual ,lie. The SSD use more power. The manufacturers lied about the power consumption in order to sell their equipment. My real life use of the things testify to that as well as many deaths of the SSD drives. They have a read/write limit. They are just glorified flash drives. Needs improvement. Look it up, such a shameful lie -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? SSDs typically have lower power consumption than HDDs and, as a consequence, laptop manufacturers are starting to embrace them as optional replacements to standard HDDs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, make sure if you get a net book that is has a REAL mechanical hard drive in them. Some have a solid state drive and not only do they use more power but they die quicker. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field? Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGeheel...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
CHEAP is territorial - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. Scott - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me. Friendly Regards, Mike From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday! Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
You got that right. Location, location, location We'll screw you for all we can get unless you can get it cheaper kinda BS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers CHEAP is territorial - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Consider yourself lucky...in theREAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. Scott - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me. Friendly Regards, Mike From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday! Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
