Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

[Chadwick Wachs]

That was part of my "assumption" but every time I make an assumption
I'm hoping to see a resurgence in smaller ISPs as a result of repealing net
neutrality.

On Dec 10, 2017 3:50 PM, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Net Neutrality never applied to anything other than mass-market
> consumer-facing services.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *From: *"Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net>
> *To: *wireless@wispa.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:44:34 PM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers
>
> What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being over
> turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and DSL
> companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this will have
> little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend on changing
> our policies) but I may not be thinking about the bigger picture enough.
> Perhaps my bandwidth and upstream fiber providers will raise rates or
> charge premium fees for fast lanes to middle mile access.
>
> How far reaching could this go? My hope was there is more competition in
> data centers for bandwidth so we won't see the games the last mile (cable &
> telco) providers might play with customers and content providers.
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[WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

[Chadwick Wachs]

What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being over
turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and DSL
companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this will have
little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend on changing
our policies) but I may not be thinking about the bigger picture enough.
Perhaps my bandwidth and upstream fiber providers will raise rates or
charge premium fees for fast lanes to middle mile access.

How far reaching could this go? My hope was there is more competition in
data centers for bandwidth so we won't see the games the last mile (cable &
telco) providers might play with customers and content providers.
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[WISPA] Service request in Mauston, Wisconsin

[Chadwick Wachs]

Looking for a provider who has coverage in Mauston, WI. Ideally 100x100 
Mbps but slower options are possible as well.

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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

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Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port).

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones <d...@nglconnection.com>, wrote:
> Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
> the adaptors for it yet?
>
> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net> wrote:
> > > Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 
> > > degree sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 
> > > degree “smart” antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector 
> > > and the other 2000 AP uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 
> > > degree horn but we keep the 120 up as a fail over antenna for our other 
> > > APs - otherwise it would get changed out to a 60 as well.
> > >
> > > On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman 
> > > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>, wrote:
> > > > If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink 
> > > > improvements of the epmp 2000.  It'd be a big mistake to not.
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, 
> > > > I don't think this mistake can be made =)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy 
> > > > > > tower and the 2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is 
> > > > > > working. Get your antenna width as small as possible. A 120 degree 
> > > > > > sector is not your friend in a noisy environment. We are using 60 
> > > > > > degree horns and that has really helped with the noise as well 
> > > > > > since the radio can’t hear as much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com>, 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in 
> > > > > > > noisy environments.
> > > > > > > What have your experiences been?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > Argon Technologies Inc.
> > > > > > > POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

[Chadwick Wachs]

Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well.

On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>, 
wrote:
> If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink 
> improvements of the epmp 2000.  It'd be a big mistake to not.
>
> I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I 
> don't think this mistake can be made =)
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net> wrote:
> > > 2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower 
> > > and the 2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your 
> > > antenna width as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your 
> > > friend in a noisy environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has 
> > > really helped with the noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much.
> > >
> > > On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
> > > > environments.
> > > > What have your experiences been?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marco C. Coelho
> > > > Argon Technologies Inc.
> > > > POB 875
> > > > Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> > > > 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

[Chadwick Wachs]

2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much.

On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho , wrote:
> I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
> environments.
> What have your experiences been?
>
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> POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

[Chadwick Wachs]

We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly document
what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
http://www.auwireless.net/blog/

This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to start a WISP.
It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a mistake. One
of our future challenges we will face is we built a fairly flat network.
That works fine when we are small but as we grow, it is not going to scale
with us.  Think about where you want to grow and don't box yourself in with
hardware or topology decisions early on that you will regret. But, don't
over spend early on. Much of this stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after
a year or so.

Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different vendors in our
RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in our
budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best hardware because
that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest testing. Most
vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear for this purpose.

This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the community and
forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest finding
yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you make good
decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for decades and has
made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not embarrassed to
share and advise us.


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse 
wrote:

>   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
> within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a solid business
> model that I can build and expand eventually. I am taking my time I want to
> do this right and address all potential pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be
> known from a technology and provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind
> enough to offer up their suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain
> this kind of detail?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?

[Chadwick Wachs]

+1 for PRTG. Can't live without it.


On Jan 20, 2017 6:25 AM, "John Thomas"  wrote:

> PRTG?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> Subject: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> Date: 1/18/17 6:35 pm
> To: a...@afmug.com
>
> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each
> time. Any alternatives or suggestions?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

[Chadwick Wachs]

I walk away from those people because there is usually no convincing them.
If the offer of free Internet does not work, I find a different site that
works. The only site we pay for is our tower and that only services a small
percentage of our customers. The rest are antenna sites on buildings and
residences. Everyone but one building owner has welcomed us with open arms.
That one has a cell site on his roof and wanted the same income.  I'm
better off being away from that interference anyway.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/11/17 15:56, Tim wrote:
> > Free internet
> > Warranty on all equipment
> >
> > Would not do a per sub.  The trust factor is to high risk.
> >
> >
>
> How do you guys handle people that have been poisoned by what cell
> companies pay? Like if someone says they need at least $2,500/mo from
> you because that's what they would get from Verizon/AT/Sprint. I
> usually want to say if a cell company wanted to be at your site they
> probably would have by now, but I say something like they have a bigger
> subscriber base than we do and we're only looking to target X customers
> in this area vs. thousands of mobile devices.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Is ePMP 1000 Lite AP discontinued?

[Chadwick Wachs]

I was just looking for them too. What is the part number? I thought they
might be listed as the PtP link but then you get a dish you probably don't
want... And does the part number come with the GPS puck?

On Jan 9, 2017 3:35 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> They are still available.  People are using them for smaller installs and
> PTP links.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> Was going to use these + RF element horns for a micro-cell deployment,
> can't seem to find them in stock. I know the 2000 AP is out now, did that
> replace the 1000 AP?
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Re: [WISPA] Installation sub-contractors - where to find them...

[Chadwick Wachs]

The fact they need access into people's homes makes this a no-go...  But I
like your outside the box thinking (no pun intended)!

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Stuart Pierce <spie...@avolve.net> wrote:

> lol, look who wants work release in the local jail, no really.
>
> On Fri, November 25, 2016 5:37 pm, Chadwick Wachs wrote:
> > We have been looking to add another wireless installer or two. We have
> > been sub-contracting that work out and found our current people through
> > some word of mouth. I have reached out to a few local independent
> > satellite dish installers in the area but they either don't return calls
> > or are not interested in microwave installs.  Other than full time staff,
> > where does one go to find independent installers for hire? Our work for
> > them is pretty simple so very little training is needed beyond climbing
> > ladders and running wire.  Or, does anyone in the Colorado area have some
> > recommendations for local installers looking for some extra cash or side
> > work?
> >
> > Thanks,
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[WISPA] Installation sub-contractors - where to find them...

[Chadwick Wachs]

We have been looking to add another wireless installer or two. We have been
sub-contracting that work out and found our current people through some
word of mouth. I have reached out to a few local independent satellite dish
installers in the area but they either don't return calls or are not
interested in microwave installs.  Other than full time staff, where does
one go to find independent installers for hire? Our work for them is pretty
simple so very little training is needed beyond climbing ladders and
running wire.  Or, does anyone in the Colorado area have some
recommendations for local installers looking for some extra cash or side
work?

Thanks,
Chad
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[WISPA] 3.65 Ghz License

[Chadwick Wachs]

We are considering the purchase of a 3.65 license from an existing license
holder who is not using it. We would be using it for a handful of backhauls
to get off of crowded 5GHz space.  However, I'm not sure if this is a smart
move (buying a 3.65 license) and wanted some insight from those who have
much more knowledge on where the FCC is going with this and what the likely
value of a 3.65 license will be both today and next year (?) when the
licenses are potentially opened back up.

It looks like these licenses, at least in my area, are selling between $500
and $2000.  It sounds like $1,000 tends to be about the sweet spot for the
few that have sold around here.
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Chadwick Wachs]

Netonix switches.

On Nov 2, 2016 12:43 PM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
> and an uplink to the internet.
>
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
> directly to the wall.
>
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
> this switch needs to have:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
> injector to power unit.
>
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>
>
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
> building max.
>
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Re: [WISPA] ePMP vs Mimosa for 50Mbps+ Speed plans.

[Chadwick Wachs]

We are doing 25Mbps plans (slowest) up to 100 Mbps plans using ePMP.  Feel
free to contact me off list.

Chad

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We have deployed 5Ghz ePMP on some remote sites with omni antennas and
> been happy overall. I am considering what our next step should be for our
> major 5Ghz sites.
>
> These are ubnt M5 gear currently selling up to 15 Mbps. Most of these
> towers will be fiber fed soon and I would like to start offering at least
> 25-50 meg speed plans. I think either ePMP or Mimosa should be capable...
>
> I am interested to hear reports from operators using either platform to
> offer these or higher speeds. Mimosa seems a bit of an immature product
> line with maybe higher capacity, ePMP seems mature and stable.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

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Due to the tower shape, only 30' sections would dangle. However, I used a
water tight rubber grommet at the top (designed for this conduit) to
squeeze and hold the cable in place. Also put a tight 90 degree turn in the
conduit at the top to increase some friction.  Cable was also secured
outside with ties incase the rubber grommet allowed slippage.

Seems to be solid. Don't know about a full 100' dangling section though...

On Sep 21, 2016 7:38 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

> Cool, Thanks for completing the loop.
>
> The one concern I would have is that inside the 100ft section, the
> Ethernet cable would be 'dangling' without any support..
> How did you manage to secure that ?
>
> Regards.
>
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> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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> *From: *"Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:10:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?
>
> Wanted to circle back on this with results.  Bought a 100' section of
> metal lined LiquidTight at Home Depot (3/4" since I only needed 2 cables).
> The 100' section was exactly the right length to get from the antennas all
> the way to my cabinet in the machine room so now the cables are protected
> in the cable trays down below as well.
> Used hose clamps to attach the conduit to the tower every ~6 feet. Since I
> had to make 2 90 degree turns on the way down, the flexible conduit was
> great.  I did pull my two Ethernet wires through the conduit while it was
> on the ground - figured that would be much easier - and it was. Cable is
> Ubiquiti Carrier Shielded (the double shielded version).  I also added the
> ends with the grounding cable and grounded both the top and the bottom of
> the Ethernet to a good ground.
>
> Been up for about two weeks now with no Ethernet issues at all. Did not
> put Ferrites on these two cables like all the rest of mine have.  I still
> get an occasional Ethernet packet drop or error on the Ferrited cables. So
> far, solid on the two cables in the LiquidTight.
>
> Yes, fiber is still a better long term solution but this was fairly
> inexpensive and quick and is working great.  Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
>> my bad, i was answering late in the evening, i was thinking PVC when you
>> said EMT.  EMT will work too since it's metal but it's hard to work with on
>> a tower.  the 3/4" liquidtight that you linked to will fit 3 cables.  we
>> usually run 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" (i can't remember which at the moment) and you
>> can fit 13 cables in it.  we run it up to a box on the tower and then use
>> 3/4" to run from the box to the individual APs or backhauls.  we run the
>> conduit first and then drop the ethernet cables down from the top.
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting... Certainly easier to run.  Because I have to make two 90
>>> degree turns (damn "H" shaped tower), I think I'll pull my Ethernet through
>>> it on the ground and then run it up the tower with cable in it.  I'm
>>> guessing that cutting it and putting 90 degree elbows (with cable pull
>>> windows) on it is a bad idea from an RF standpoint?
>>> My local HD has this in stock:
>>>
>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-4-in-x-
>>> 100-ft-Liquidtight-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-6203-30-00/202262413
>>>
>>> That looks what you describe.
>>>
>>> I have to ask - from a physics(?) standpoint, what keeps RF out of the
>>> Liquidtight but not EMT?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you do conduit you need to use liquidtight with the metal inside.
>>>> EMT will do nothing to stop the RF from bleeding.
>>>> We've done it on several towers with great success.
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to
>>>>> solve the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on
>>>>> each end of the Ethernet cable

Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

Wanted to circle back on this with results.  Bought a 100' section of metal
lined LiquidTight at Home Depot (3/4" since I only needed 2 cables).  The
100' section was exactly the right length to get from the antennas all the
way to my cabinet in the machine room so now the cables are protected in
the cable trays down below as well.

Used hose clamps to attach the conduit to the tower every ~6 feet. Since I
had to make 2 90 degree turns on the way down, the flexible conduit was
great.  I did pull my two Ethernet wires through the conduit while it was
on the ground - figured that would be much easier - and it was. Cable is
Ubiquiti Carrier Shielded (the double shielded version).  I also added the
ends with the grounding cable and grounded both the top and the bottom of
the Ethernet to a good ground.

Been up for about two weeks now with no Ethernet issues at all. Did not put
Ferrites on these two cables like all the rest of mine have.  I still get
an occasional Ethernet packet drop or error on the Ferrited cables. So far,
solid on the two cables in the LiquidTight.

Yes, fiber is still a better long term solution but this was fairly
inexpensive and quick and is working great.  Thanks for the suggestion.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> my bad, i was answering late in the evening, i was thinking PVC when you
> said EMT.  EMT will work too since it's metal but it's hard to work with on
> a tower.  the 3/4" liquidtight that you linked to will fit 3 cables.  we
> usually run 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" (i can't remember which at the moment) and you
> can fit 13 cables in it.  we run it up to a box on the tower and then use
> 3/4" to run from the box to the individual APs or backhauls.  we run the
> conduit first and then drop the ethernet cables down from the top.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting... Certainly easier to run.  Because I have to make two 90
>> degree turns (damn "H" shaped tower), I think I'll pull my Ethernet through
>> it on the ground and then run it up the tower with cable in it.  I'm
>> guessing that cutting it and putting 90 degree elbows (with cable pull
>> windows) on it is a bad idea from an RF standpoint?
>>
>> My local HD has this in stock:
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-4-in-x-100-
>> ft-Liquidtight-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-6203-30-00/202262413
>>
>> That looks what you describe.
>>
>> I have to ask - from a physics(?) standpoint, what keeps RF out of the
>> Liquidtight but not EMT?
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>>> If you do conduit you need to use liquidtight with the metal inside.
>>> EMT will do nothing to stop the RF from bleeding.
>>>
>>> We've done it on several towers with great success.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
>>>> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
>>>> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
>>>> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>>>
>>>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
>>>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
>>>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
>>>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops
>>>> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do
>>>> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are
>>>> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites
>>>> on the cables that are in the conduit.
>>>>
>>>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
>>>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
>>>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
>>>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone having issues with EPMP APs easily dying?

[Chadwick Wachs]

Been through some pretty nasty electrical storms and my tower is on the top
of a mountain and very poorly grounded - no issues with three ePMP 1000 GPS
and 2000 APs up there.  We have 4 more deployed lower down on houses and
they have all been solid. Half have Ethernet surge protectors on them, the
other half do not.  All are into Netonix switches.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Nick Bright  wrote:

> No, but I have a GIGE-SS-HV on every one of mine.
>
> On 9/19/2016 2:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> See way too many failures on Epmp Aps during storms.. Other radios survive
> while Epmp APs die
>
> Anyone else seeing this?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

Interesting... Certainly easier to run.  Because I have to make two 90
degree turns (damn "H" shaped tower), I think I'll pull my Ethernet through
it on the ground and then run it up the tower with cable in it.  I'm
guessing that cutting it and putting 90 degree elbows (with cable pull
windows) on it is a bad idea from an RF standpoint?

My local HD has this in stock:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-4-in-x-100-ft-Liquidtight-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-6203-30-00/202262413

That looks what you describe.

I have to ask - from a physics(?) standpoint, what keeps RF out of the
Liquidtight but not EMT?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> If you do conduit you need to use liquidtight with the metal inside.  EMT
> will do nothing to stop the RF from bleeding.
>
> We've done it on several towers with great success.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
>> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
>> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
>> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>
>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
>> that.
>>
>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops
>> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do
>> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are
>> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites
>> on the cables that are in the conduit.
>>
>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

You are right, fiber IS the best long term solution. Not a possibility just
yet but will be down the road.  So, maybe I re-phrase. :-) Is conduit a
workable shorter term solution with shielded cable inside or will it not
provide the RF protection the Ethernet needs? It will certainly make
pulling the fiber and DC easier when we go that route.

Problem with fiber today is we are on a "H" shaped antenna tower and have
antennas on both legs of the "H" which requires two fiber runs and two
Netonix switches. Not in the budget just yet.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Fiber and DC to Netonix.  Shielded cable to your radios hopefully with
> minimal distance.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sep 8, 2016 9:03 PM, "Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve
>> the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each
>> end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add
>> a couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.
>>
>> This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
>> running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
>> term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
>> it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
>> that.
>>
>> Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops
>> at the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do
>> have longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are
>> longer than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites
>> on the cables that are in the conduit.
>>
>> Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
>> stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
>> power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
>> Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
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[WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Chadwick Wachs]

With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to solve the
FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on each end of
the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I need to add a
couple more antennas so I am considering conduit.

This is not my area of expertise but from what I read, it sounds like
running conduit up the tower (only 75' for my antennas) is the best long
term solution?  My plan was to buy some 3/4" EMT in 10' sections and clamp
it to the tower from bottom to top and run my shielded cables inside of
that.

Is that the route to go?  I am guessing I want to keep my service loops at
the top of the conduit pretty short or I negate what I just did. I do have
longer loops at the bottom in the building so my Ethernet cables are longer
than my antenna ground wires. I'm planning on not putting Ferrites on the
cables that are in the conduit.

Tower has 5 FM stations on it, a 900mhz paging company and two UHF DTV
stations - along with some other 5 Ghz stuff.  The FM stations are "lower"
power (250 - 400 watts) but it sounds like those are the culprit for
Ethernet issues (other than AM which is no where near this tower).

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

[Chadwick Wachs]

I bet that's fun to climb. I had similar issues on a tower with 4 lower
powered FM stations (100s of watts) and I was using shielded cable. Added
ferrites to each end and it cleared up 99% of my issues. Get a single link
error every now and again. That's a change from dozens a day and a 1000BT
link that would only train up at 100BT at best.

Fiber is a better solution. Someday. Getting off the tower is the current
goal.

On Aug 4, 2016 2:47 PM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

> We're 60 feet away from the shack.   The antenna excites the tower to the
> point of shocking you if you touch the steel with 40' of the antenna array.
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Jeff Evans  wrote:
>
>> Besides Mike's fiber, I'd be suspect of the equipment in the shack if
>> you're near the transmitter.
>> A problem is more likely there imo.
>>
>>
>> Quoting Josh Luthman :
>>
>> > I thought we were missing something ITT.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Mike Hammett <
>> wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> *clears throat*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >>
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> The Brothers WISP 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> --
>> >> *From: *"Marco Coelho" 
>> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> >> *Sent: *Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:18:59 PM
>> >> *Subject: *[WISPA] FM Radio interference
>> >>
>> >> I have an existing tower that has a FM transmitter on it.  I believe
>> they
>> >> are just under 10,000 Watts.
>> >> Since we have been one that tower, I could never link up Ethernet that
>> >> runs up the tower to the equipment on the bottom at 100BT.  I've tried
>> >> ferrite rings on both ends, all cables are shielded and grounded.
>> Always
>> >> had to go to 10BT to get a link.
>> >>
>> >> I moved our radios 35 feet away from the bottom their antennas and
>> still
>> >> cannot link at 100BT.
>> >>
>> >> The new radios require 1000BT too use them to full advantage.  Ideas?
>> >>
>> >> I'm considering conduit all the way up the tower.  I don't want to put
>> >> switches at the top.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there

[Chadwick Wachs]

Going with faulty boards. Had a link with good signal then it died and we
could never get the 60 GHz radio to recover. Tried a couple factory Ignite
power bricks with the same result.  Either real bad firmware or a bad radio
module.  Going back for repair.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Almost sounds like a low voltage issue or faulty boards internally.
> On Jun 20, 2016 10:48 AM, "Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Update to all on this.  We are running MCS1, the latest public firmware
>> and contacted Ignite support. They are responsive.  We did get the 60 GHz
>> radios to link up once - for about 30 minutes. Then, the 60 GHz radio on
>> the client end died. Can't open the 60 GHz aiming tool and the dashboard
>> acts like the radio is off.
>>
>> We have been through a number of reboots to get the 60 GHz radio to wake
>> back up. No dice. Ignite is aware of the issue, acknowledges I am not the
>> only one who has seen this but so far no solutions.  Last night, the 5 GHz
>> link between these two radios died at 3am (not a production link).  We lost
>> all wireless and ethernet access to the client radio until a reboot.
>>
>> After rebooting, the 5 GHz would not pass any traffic until the 60 GHz
>> radios were turned off in the interface on both ends.  Both ends are on big
>> UPSs so I don't think power is the issue, I think there is buggy firmware.
>> While I have *some* time to deal with testing firmware and trouble
>> shooting, I don't have unlimited time to do this.
>>
>> It is back running on 5 GHz. It is aimed well - we did get a solid 60 GHz
>> signal but we never got the 60's to link back up after one mysteriously
>> stopped.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aiming takes patience, the scopes aren't perfect but a huge help.  We
>>> found that turning off auto MCS and using fixed lower rate helped a
>>> lot.  Make sure you have the newest firmware, I believe there are more
>>> updates coming out soon as well.  IgniteNet support was responsive and
>>> very helpful when we had questions.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> wrote:
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>>> up
>>> > and running with no luck. Looking for some help / suggestions from
>>> anyone
>>> > who has been successful getting links up. The 5 GHz link is working
>>> but 60
>>> > never trains up. I bought the spotting scopes and each end is dead
>>> center.
>>> > Good old fashioned up/down/left/right aiming methods do not seem to
>>> work
>>> > either and IgniteNet is lacking in the support department.
>>> >
>>> > Anyone want to contact me off list if you have any suggestions on what
>>> > worked for you?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Chad
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Re: [WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there

[Chadwick Wachs]

One end is brick (the end that is having issues) and the other end is off a
Netonix.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
wrote:

> How are you powering them? Power brick or switch?
> On Jun 20, 2016 7:35 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>
> Are there the only two radios you have ? maybe there is a physical
> hardware issue with one of the radios..
>
> we have seen something similar with on another link we were working on for
> another WISP.  No conclusions yet, but one radio is definitely doing hokey
> stuff...They have spares, will be trying another pair (the radios linked up
> on the bench, but would not link nor go thru the alignment process on a
> 400m link).
>
> Regards.
>
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> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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> *From: *"Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 12:47:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there
>
> Update to all on this.  We are running MCS1, the latest public firmware
> and contacted Ignite support. They are responsive.  We did get the 60 GHz
> radios to link up once - for about 30 minutes. Then, the 60 GHz radio on
> the client end died. Can't open the 60 GHz aiming tool and the dashboard
> acts like the radio is off.
> We have been through a number of reboots to get the 60 GHz radio to wake
> back up. No dice. Ignite is aware of the issue, acknowledges I am not the
> only one who has seen this but so far no solutions.  Last night, the 5 GHz
> link between these two radios died at 3am (not a production link).  We lost
> all wireless and ethernet access to the client radio until a reboot.
>
> After rebooting, the 5 GHz would not pass any traffic until the 60 GHz
> radios were turned off in the interface on both ends.  Both ends are on big
> UPSs so I don't think power is the issue, I think there is buggy firmware.
> While I have *some* time to deal with testing firmware and trouble
> shooting, I don't have unlimited time to do this.
>
> It is back running on 5 GHz. It is aimed well - we did get a solid 60 GHz
> signal but we never got the 60's to link back up after one mysteriously
> stopped.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Aiming takes patience, the scopes aren't perfect but a huge help.  We
>> found that turning off auto MCS and using fixed lower rate helped a
>> lot.  Make sure you have the newest firmware, I believe there are more
>> updates coming out soon as well.  IgniteNet support was responsive and
>> very helpful when we had questions.
>>
>>
>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>> > I have been trying for a couple days to get a new PTP60-35 60 GHz link
>> up
>> > and running with no luck. Looking for some help / suggestions from
>> anyone
>> > who has been successful getting links up. The 5 GHz link is working but
>> 60
>> > never trains up. I bought the spotting scopes and each end is dead
>> center.
>> > Good old fashioned up/down/left/right aiming methods do not seem to work
>> > either and IgniteNet is lacking in the support department.
>> >
>> > Anyone want to contact me off list if you have any suggestions on what
>> > worked for you?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Chad
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Re: [WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there

[Chadwick Wachs]

Update to all on this.  We are running MCS1, the latest public firmware and
contacted Ignite support. They are responsive.  We did get the 60 GHz
radios to link up once - for about 30 minutes. Then, the 60 GHz radio on
the client end died. Can't open the 60 GHz aiming tool and the dashboard
acts like the radio is off.

We have been through a number of reboots to get the 60 GHz radio to wake
back up. No dice. Ignite is aware of the issue, acknowledges I am not the
only one who has seen this but so far no solutions.  Last night, the 5 GHz
link between these two radios died at 3am (not a production link).  We lost
all wireless and ethernet access to the client radio until a reboot.

After rebooting, the 5 GHz would not pass any traffic until the 60 GHz
radios were turned off in the interface on both ends.  Both ends are on big
UPSs so I don't think power is the issue, I think there is buggy firmware.
While I have *some* time to deal with testing firmware and trouble
shooting, I don't have unlimited time to do this.

It is back running on 5 GHz. It is aimed well - we did get a solid 60 GHz
signal but we never got the 60's to link back up after one mysteriously
stopped.



On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
wrote:

> Aiming takes patience, the scopes aren't perfect but a huge help.  We
> found that turning off auto MCS and using fixed lower rate helped a
> lot.  Make sure you have the newest firmware, I believe there are more
> updates coming out soon as well.  IgniteNet support was responsive and
> very helpful when we had questions.
>
>
> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net>
> wrote:
> > I have been trying for a couple days to get a new PTP60-35 60 GHz link up
> > and running with no luck. Looking for some help / suggestions from anyone
> > who has been successful getting links up. The 5 GHz link is working but
> 60
> > never trains up. I bought the spotting scopes and each end is dead
> center.
> > Good old fashioned up/down/left/right aiming methods do not seem to work
> > either and IgniteNet is lacking in the support department.
> >
> > Anyone want to contact me off list if you have any suggestions on what
> > worked for you?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chad
> >
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[WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there

[Chadwick Wachs]

I have been trying for a couple days to get a new PTP60-35 60 GHz link up
and running with no luck. Looking for some help / suggestions from anyone
who has been successful getting links up. The 5 GHz link is working but 60
never trains up. I bought the spotting scopes and each end is dead center.
Good old fashioned up/down/left/right aiming methods do not seem to work
either and IgniteNet is lacking in the support department.

Anyone want to contact me off list if you have any suggestions on what
worked for you?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Chadwick Wachs]

We had a contract with CL for a 100/100 fiber line ($1400 / month) and the
contract did allow us to resell it. We made sure that was the case prior to
signing the contract.  However, after 4 months of delays installing the
circuit in a building where they already had fiber, we cancelled.  They are
great at selling the product, not so great at delivering it.  But, pricing
was pretty competitive in our area.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Tim Way  wrote:

> Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting
> a proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on
> it? In particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but
> for miles and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink
> would convert that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be
> willing to extend from there outwards into areas that are completely
> without non satellite or cellular service.
>
> Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I
> would need to be a CLEC to make that work.
>
> Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others
> have experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at
> CenturyLink.
>
> Thanks,
>
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