Re: [WISPA] Remote Access
On 03/08/2012 02:43 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: We've currently got a customer using the a sonicwall SSL VPN Netextender to VPN into their internal network. However, Lately it hasn't been working to well for them. And they are getting a few mac's in the mix these days. And sonicwall says the software doesn't work with macs and there is no plan to. Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as pretty much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were looking for something that might be a little more user friendly. Anyone have any suggestions. The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like windows filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion. OpenVPN. http://www.thesparklabs.com/viscosity/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?
On 10/03/2011 03:02 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS... anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing Thank you in advance NO. Don't use WHMCS. It's horrible. Ask me offlist for more if anyone is interested. -- Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com @charlesnw on twitter http://blog.knownelement.com Building alternative,global scale,secure, cost effective bit moving platform for tomorrows alternate default free zone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News
Is there an official statement from ATT on the DSL bandwidth cap? I can't find one. I can just find the broadband reports blog post on it. On 3/16/2011 10:07 AM, Matt wrote: http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=bandwidth+capform=QBNBqs=nsk=sc=8-13 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote: And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would appreciate a device like this! I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response. He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning: (1) Multi-port models. (e.g. 6, 12 24 ports) Of course. (2) SNMP Web Interface Management with ACL firewall. Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure management network right? (3) Redundant power supplies with separate power cords. (e.g. UPS Blue UPS Red) Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power supplies be hot swappable? (4) Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port. (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs. UBNT, etc.) (5) Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable per port. Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch for example). That would make the most sense to me. (6) 1U shallow depth form factor. Naturally (7) Auto-Ping per port. What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something) (8) LED Status indicators per port. Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access. Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw). (9) Optional DC power source model for solar sites? DC power is a requirement I think. On every model. (10) Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model? Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will? What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller? Think you about covered it. One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done). From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNbBdHAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtz2UP/1UBbIBjHfM7T5Z0tzO2GtJY 27ztWSH8X826ii+0Q7msSBJxASHFP3wlQFQKP1KiHy/W4GxhJDXeFnFiZKeV+IFp GKsID3Xn7Og83ttVIMRKzX8DMhLwc31GoPkeEh7qix/a1JUACHgH9P9yZSOKCCmZ wD1msdvgop07Q6USTMiiMxe0OCbzzkQbIc0ERmdNjclvlZkJ0Ya0feLeEeag5LoQ 53wolRkpY6MA0lt0VH+3wXb1/mbQxklL9ezKDhmn9s/wwte8CqCL795aBfkVI4Z/ oZuw+00FI5gJGQpQti04MoO0lou6N1N7MEVsFMc6f895rscGXNmjViWTX6QKgplL a7ncy9dQpbc7XQOJSUrSHn5S4O3K/vgpnJ+pK+3TiPTd9YVhOOGUIMA3vwz5BeQ/ gGi8mWrtvaffAeEptQObfx1yf29Vk8qJbpwpXGo1eY+sE4rqeuBeYzPt06lyuSyc fU27hnc52xYulcTVeHXGPFBw+a97m+xbw6Rd7wqHTXEs8WWTFErUQ5+zQdYIMilG u8v95euKSPT7zicvIZubxjLgPwWTQIgSc2/kFkxDW5Z5j3l/JM/7MW72h8WfVN4w AjhVTJbP75VpkazJeLTfsBH8mdGyE21yY8fi35u7U9yh1jyy+OSvOtoeUfssG8CC 8587g27Ezu02NaT2E1cJ =r5jL -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Internet service in Austin TX
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I'm going to be relocating to Austin TX (northeast. Anderson Springs apartment complex). Anyone out there providing net access? I also will be keeping my small WISP in CA going, as I have many friends/colleagues back here. Very interested in mapping initiatives etc. I noticed that Austin has some great GIS resources and seems quite tech savvy. If no one is serving the area currently, I'll probably start another WISP up. - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNYtQ1AAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtPp8QAK52Y6s9YvNJlwESXmuac3HS 0kJwwlZkznlU2XVOnOTd5gtcZgTNBpW20dF26VjQuLaK/TJWc7Qpfm1jp6RrMQ4g DNxo8hJzbYDOskodhZ9sy3bW9r/LPT7owkDkX9lIZHdA0SffsA+WqMOe9W6C4CJA vYCxIm34D18ZqRUqnNe1SAYrL5HulGab0hTxzJP+98liHiK31eHErgdvtNUOpJyh N+PCGIYzpPZg7PSrGc0+8wMqWF3mTcDxM0XeMTfjwvcxZ2qOZiVm4tyfrExNdh4E 9HSEgw2btqMeHHDDfc3fpc0rD2ZrljidRu3dVj6Mqg1CfeoNPNeHudRnckEeNC1x NRN6O9QOAoBSdueCBG4pe4Lf1a9iUpQ9gz2DzDEY6v5hvQFiZg6vjmT/TNmaku0h lPFXpR6vF5+3B5sKCKpHNUunKqZkHsJ2MrBjwIZg2yNq08CqrlkNHd4SiDVPosS6 ix/QHxnQ6HxwEUEvdG0aZq27DJS5/YSQXZdfydxFLA4A1JA5qsbB3JwLZx7k/Rss 8W1/BAibJiI4/7MjqWMsVtTSAoUEv8Q3roA2hvDaJz+4hINLJnxPKNF7YATCuLM6 5/V/iH8dl20xbomkU5EV/Su/Zs39Zq10IH7kNxh5zIAEYgwWBam6s9eljApaqYyr e9yro9nRSSDpbOJZqkhY =pW3W -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: Cruzio peering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI - Original Message Return-Path: nanog-bounces+charles=knownelement@nanog.org X-Original-To: char...@knownelement.com Delivered-To: char...@knownelement.com Received: from s0.nanog.org (s0.nanog.org [198.108.95.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.knownelement.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EB102D86139for char...@knownelement.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:39:28 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=s0.nanog.org) by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from nanog-boun...@nanog.org) id 1Pnkni-0002DR-LN; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:40:10 + Received: from smtp.mompl.net ([63.249.90.196] helo=mompl.net) by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from jer...@mompl.net) id 1PnkmZ-000139-Rg for na...@nanog.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:39:00 + Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ASSP.nospam) by mompl.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from jer...@mompl.net) id 1Pnklh-0008Kg-ETfor na...@nanog.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:38:05 -0800 Received: from mompl.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=mompl.net) with IPv4:26 by ASSP.nospam; 10 Feb 2011 20:38:05 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mompl.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)(Exim 4.72) (envelope-from jer...@mompl.net) id 1Pnklh-0008Kd-20 for na...@nanog.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: 4d54bd24.8090...@mompl.net Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:37:56 -0800 From: Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101227 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nanog na...@nanog.org Subject: Cruzio peering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Assp-Version: 1.7.5.8(0.0.11) on ASSP.nospam X-Assp-Passing: relayPort X-Assp-ID: ASSP.nospam id-99085-02457 X-Assp-Intended-For: na...@nanog.org X-Assp-Envelope-From: jer...@mompl.net X-BeenThere: na...@nanog.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: North American Network Operators Group nanog.nanog.org List-Unsubscribe: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog, mailto:nanog-requ...@nanog.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog List-Post: mailto:na...@nanog.org List-Help: mailto:nanog-requ...@nanog.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog, mailto:nanog-requ...@nanog.org?subject=subscribe Errors-To: nanog-bounces+charles=knownelement@nanog.org A Cruzio employee kindly provided me with the following information regarding their peering and connectivity. I pasted it below (with permission) because I thought it might be of use to others: Cruzio maintains a backbone of wireless points of presence (POP) on various mountain tops overlooking the Monterey Bay, South San Francisco Bay, and Silicon Valley Regions. Cruzio wireless POPs are present on Mount Umunhum, Mount Allison, Loma Prieta and Black Mountain to name a few. Cruzio wireless POPs are fed from the Equinix San Jose facility. At Equinix, Cruzio is cross connected into a peering exchange to an aggregate of content providers which include Google, You Tube and several others. Non-peered connectivity is provided by Above.net who is also colocated in that facility. Cruzio leases dark fiber on the cable built and owned by Sunesys, which is also used by UCSC. This fiber cable links the Cruzio facility at 877 Cedar Street in downtown Santa Cruz with the Level 3 Sunnyvale facility 46 miles away. Connectivity to the Internet is provided by Level 3 and Cogent. A high-speed/high-bandwidth wireless link connects the Cruzio 877 Cedar facility with the Equinix San Jose facility via Mount Umunhum to provide a wireless failover to the fiber in event of a fiber outage. Cruzio wholesales ATT DSL. All DSL traffic is aggregated over ATT fiber to the 200 Paul Avenue facility where it is connected to the Internet through a variety of providers. While the fiber and new data center are being turned up and tested, Cruzio hosted servers remain connected over ATT fiber to the he.net Fremont 1 facility. Connectivity to the Internet is through he.net, who are themselves connected and peered to multiple Tier 1 providers. - -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNVq7WAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtwMQQAIaRTLjs4M6unu5YWtiI9ARP 6Uib14wpQOLkfgyiADf5B13a4WNLLi9aLDHkLfodVRHgEksjQudcULRHtgpGNr1l GPrp7N/MzqriiGA2v9P4MOt7/mfL/Y2sIlkZfDehfNMzVF7i2MgjfouuuBn4ZeJ6 w3uTe28oVCmWgIELBCKqnuOSLN1SSXPEnwh3Sb3vKoiRrvwgfuvmDXtevJokix/x sz3GHlPU09DZUGzwQ1YoV51W3vZ1BLJ6DgPBc4qjb8GcJYQQ8KlI3RIcbkqUNCeg MCurdFuGwEN2m8natPtMV8oeCDUcwx7EOV25tprK7EB9cjesvmZeaIyrw7JieAqn
[WISPA] Weird ubnt flash issue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok I got to tftp via the reset switch and flashed open mesh firmware on one ns2. It's happy. Attempts to flash it to another 3 ns2 boxes fail. I can tftp the image up. The LEDs blink. Then it reboots, I get a few ARP, Request who-has 0.0.0.0 tell 0.0.0.0 then nothing. Anyone seen this before? - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNUdCeAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt/oQQALuqJ4iK+JxCKpvmmAWBG6EY LZXBtfF5ItG44/ql2RW++BLefWrcWmbOHrw2PHKYljmC8fzheHAhBUZXUIcPvAZj Ry6979VdlJdbsS1reN2m2Z6Se36jw8VUILLWLFokjCuxOkpUSmk5X62G6I/p2j1A DCywRECDdpefuBIKzQbeF3pAYAkIWUsGXYbX09CE+xB14PfLGy/0OtJMlOS9R1NT DzC3EOI3z+0LbyOgHGmsOs7POOy2xN4GD2EUsx80gP0bUN/ie7X7k241HeJXG1Zh h9ebQnCLgaxhsFa6eom1N9nF8wJIHXHrVTRyznHqMiJd9M9Ra//oMNgRpQXJSO/X 2LHWeUsXNJ1fjvSeXUFtl6233kqwt5eYpTe7VqnxLzR21XHtm0buz/1Oind2pzK3 dykfxfYpF45mJggmY7enYxswi+rwdFW/8lRiT9iqVUq9YPViR8PAEP/cRm9YXZa/ 9OtGB5YsLo/bszpPFGjkdHqx2BJjMGdidAUJh+ng0qWxiTwlVmK0ePX27wlxIlcX cqUdxYc1L4/FYa0swUuCDz+V9FL7ixM7bSZGGmHAh5HtBbp2YhS1mDyiS3YxAZmY aD42rjzBKTRetXjYeV3XGVLbxgJflrSTPjTvWb+atc6+Zx7AgFP9OOaN5blE/TGy D8la0KdAOmR9MzMa2VQo =W46s -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments inline. jack On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Some serious enforcement is in order. Major fines for repeated offense... $100K or more for 2nd offense... Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place. Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ? I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS and database... Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage is that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system. Very true. What is going on with the 3.65 stuff? I still think we need some kind of license enforcement there... Why? WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was agreed that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand. Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Where does one see info about the violations? Is it happening on private lists or something? I don't recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it. There are also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix. H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and should be referred to the FCC EB. Coordination among entities... as I recall that was very vague in the RO. - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNUgaFAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAteVwP/iZ/0b6im8NQhJXXIJxR+0V9 3vhg+UegyqimJJkMPnwKBdSrW/i2FBVDc1LHftkn1aEOjj5GamoeiAnV6umG3VbF r23XC5vvUCr3drosgprLr3FHXi2wQE+D+ToYCB+YdU3bklvHD/AJ4hTZKfM6ZDJK Vo4cNflKC28o+D9qlwvjheFflhkxf1dBl7eAJe+wvxtHXqgE/tfOig+20wRXBQea ruyD40BWNLPOCqcjafHCto3zzgTMX03hqwKqT8a+bvdqOrAoAHsZUIv7RFhOY6Xv oVMJZMDgzrZUUCq+LHBgZZ33+Xr94uABqKz+1JMjwdCPUNe8POBOU7st6RkHPjkj l+J55/xlV7KMq3eS+pvGEVFY7Vt26oPo1AHhIvdutkrkYVtWmAvcmPQAReTmUfZQ QsdGv/U/mqms2Kd0ujSaGFvQk8kwC5Nl5Hi7nnObc5nbRao53z/KiB4PGycfIiw9 N5IcL8Cay+nl+OqYYX4VdIU2laWFQh7Vst5ZH+MXk3wXvGFb0TIKexLimAdXO66Z 3kHWXYZhEUAQ+QQQ6mJLKWAly1tlmyL3FqLrUQKNpISEWpysqOuxxpBw8jlwrdaj Xq9F36fRZvj8CqyImQdPQaFQq5NKdANMHTXS5b3G8cBNF1/NJQUJb/8ecwuK2iw6 FtnI80BWXzQwIe/bfPci =3Dzr -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Redboot help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it just me, or are the reset switches on the ns2 just about worthless? Anyone here got mesh over wifi working on an ns2? Looks like I'm going to have to go that route, as opposed to flashing with open mesh. Or is there a secret to making the reset switch work? Not sure why UBNT disables network access to redboot on the unit. That makes things really really difficult to work with. Then when I try to change it, I get the configs not validating error. On 02/04/2011 02:51 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: It should not matter. IIRC when the device boots it is pre-insert firmware here. ryan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redboot help You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or... On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine. I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy. ryan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a nanostation2? Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1 and now I get Config verification failed anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration. Help! I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go. And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface cause it only accepts the .trx files. Can anyone help? Thanks! - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNTJJYAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtAbgP/i31aYKceS2fcBb6KsggCuxx 34+ognFHSpMpAbDIEeoeB0gR0U37fuNQ6VxiUnq7NeQtiF6ooShyTvhtK4ufET5D XVecwkaijVwkotEHv0r87RQYEy2IiPzew0ViFjrZdPAv+sptrOwv8zsTP/9uNX/h 1HBfR51xB46WIhgfU6jcm3ARr0EcLY1ipnTdKRo8ajgwNcFsHS2SNJPkDRiaN42A IlKqEr0rciteeRBIwzTeA8PlTx7gzT4jydyR0tuSQnN3VAL8Kt1kqpSHaXyT/duZ buDOg0p6lZrmU61jYvnAPuMyJcAMfkFY1j0SRw/3lQVxwQC5WAY8SLhdFm+GibgD 9SBym000OJdd6QEkFHJ+CKIu7tqeQDAdhA35oWmYmbhQdPyARpilEy85Q7g9iMsE 5aFfrg8nvdewGzBT6TwJK3hBJDZ0R/ZdKfw9IGIpdeP8xfe0vIGEaxCgqJ2k7Wzb bQptbuZ6woMxZw52nE65R4q1PiCZ8Pnj+RoUI63thi4eCDpIkwpxGX4Fw5K1aGEQ mwv8FTSL2h/76rZH3mM5ssb1mkT/71thu8z3XVmgoLy3iVlhmmWxplB+u3Uv0JTA Xo+5xhY9tK4yZ761i+KYsj3yHACgtWllaXLdTXBU3vizWUDENkXoM6cgw7uXB8Au oimZRyXVDL1HtoKWkx08 =tiY9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] Redboot help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a nanostation2? Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1 and now I get Config verification failed anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration. Help! I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go. And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface cause it only accepts the .trx files. Can anyone help? Thanks! - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNTHdJAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt52IP/0+cH14wQhrGSdOoTBrh+xoT IbVNoEvsiipl0GD2iVX+gqNQEPMIoHDLiHP7d+pVlBrVRgsqClAQY8ad8EsWeCmb H83zF+8oUm6WQBtstC7EMUQC3jVUb5Zy11z2iAF+WZTsawzL14Ver7IjkZCywzQw Ssxt+UDneXB8O+mcrpTwHu9rUP98cRCjWty9ywaeZiQg/NpGn0dE1hhkM0LLJesb J4gO3PVaIn9476Kr/wDmBJ6fASaezQE8CCWFijYTVNHaBcyR3F9aEhbJMT6HOjrh Llh9CqMpX++q2Y5ymrY2EvXmrGzImysVmM8vQtawXH4iFDfuoDWdNOtEWG3R2UTd ORIf6KZKVdvv3pyFXEPnjV0H6mlpA+WS1wIzpM2ejmLmQTYlKthOACrw0SUUTeM+ +RjvzcKn3GpZvmymzciEjTFUqzgiskehbIzHZm7iTQfDL/qMwuDTR99WgxIlAQy2 Jd9OmdQ7SjMFqcyGwqluBHm5tg3tkWSP2wdXyRuhezAXafE8oRNM7byoLHQeOokv oO22ido4VXyYA9nz9WCPO377suywim8yBoxXZuFxrNFGI8KYDhhk+Aspz2uWYO8Y 0eeoQkheYcV+RhbTU9E+5hPbQbgr9rOuuAmlbDgFjUu5tQcDOtqNdTA5oShaxu7G 5b4YTk0ngcbkiztYvbYA =Mnv3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Redboot help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or... On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine. I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy. ryan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a nanostation2? Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1 and now I get Config verification failed anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration. Help! I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go. And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface cause it only accepts the .trx files. Can anyone help? Thanks! - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNTHqcAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtSksP/34glUH/pydfmOTDPxpjVf7F CxWHmk8b38FbhYHs8wCYsXj9ZEBKIOLi+IqlMHHB8PLMtnk5V1mEI/CJZVQtsHAD nqVQPxa80K5qFv/jBmEE463aV1t5bIzA823EkkvK56dpSSz8Tx0JkzfzuWVMuU90 sdzme55/UXoCvEsJ2SR35pS7tiloDmlpOEvZKMMQpIUSzCeCPU4mpeTJgisx6PGl /b65Sv660gQoN/CI8xVNtuozmSWdSybQ9nBw6fmzA1CgoXYVARin5p3c7KuerlIl 4KIDcAm3pzl4cx8wSMSbWQ7Bm5SxRV6Ap7eq6+DDY9U9OeEf2bAe5j+okO8C7j1z xIEIOitA+SBlLqPOXvTaa99SsFsnyPgq3MNunU1eAdvkdDUWEMNl3hoPnQDKA7+9 SgH09FLQl9SZpB9u2+zECPcp7t4xiuPzLrYd1naa58LrATBlvAny2zRQnPGsPWGG K0TplbakCCky2uBCnBvXWSh9ndCUxTO/dNli32KnVFrUXfiCUY2SfQLESp19y0PV 7ieoN1Gq1K7kuZQmBhbeJgraEtCh2TP3kRaO05bgWawrf2gdh2B7jJQ9P9ok+OBu e+uxgoX5YSpFKpeo/RLoDRww3N2QRzmCx/Q7a85fQkG2o1n4OWMWNkei5vaHrk4E Wwl7MLzegKVl8KeQB9Xr =R16e -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all learn. __ Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman
Re: [WISPA] new list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 H. The legalities of monetizing that write up are sketchy. :) A good idea though. I've considered subscribing to a bunch more lists and having some automated systems pick out anything interesting. I follow WISPA/NANOG. A few local lists (amazing how diverse socal/los angeles tech is). I was on c-nsp but that was crazy. On 01/24/2011 10:32 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + c-nsp + j-nsp). I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup. Then I'm going to monetize the writeup. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users
Re: [WISPA] new list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/24/2011 10:40 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. Of course. This is the sign of a mature and well run community. There is unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). That's unfortunate. It almost offends me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the country that has gone into building our trade association. Yes. I'm offended by it as well. The way I look at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the industry. Absolutely. Also WISPA operates this very list free of charge. It has a charter to keep things civil and productive. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LARGE MAILING LIST OUT THERE!! I have no problems with the charter, and would be concerned if you didn't have one. The difference being, that most of the accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position, hosting the webpages and accounting functions. Exactly. This is the same as any other trade organization/association. However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts, marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that we already do. Well I have to disagree. I think the lobbying/educational work is very tangible. It's produced amazing end products that everyone in the industry benefits from. :) To all those that support WISPAThank you very much! Our voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins our efforts. Join WISPA http://join.wispa.org/ As a team, we can accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in. I couldn't have said it better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNPgPsAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtsW8QAIACYOYsoo01RtqC5bqk6Uju EopA2JYxqvK+dosHxc9JF1Td5BVy8FSc0lMHLIHXo+bNEAzoymkBYcGn+dIuFha7 71ATmLD/cTWx1H8Otpv9J93MKSPy1zvafFTfzNA8rQ4u27ygW+qVTY2NvQEUFN5C IUrAcTFNnMYM+Wy3FWELLTg9WWlKrNELprJRdUSe0zo2Hg2Z+RcOHLPMaR41pFuS elwlvakSHNY2A6Rd3ZxyvfB8BkfZFbhzQnTgBhzFPv4v8BlOcwTbJZKAKw7mgNWc E5pUmb7y8oEKv6xXOmrcM6/qu/ccrWI1ruZbuToMIHZcxASEnds7GFajUPYc2be3 O62dq8o7CUi5J6+HqG80o9bBo4YOSOZF2AnNpd3dSmrv3gL/EqdkwvfIzkQxfrVo CgloZw5QDdhtZbJ0TWYH7BNwQvXirjRDTVpyk7AUpjsY+bOGukH3J9iID5AKGWMo iQzzOo13j6yElU/grQDBV8THEjUBZwKitKxKI5VNbIVfn+28WZSyczsFN+xXujkQ 4lUJ40dVQ0UOvGu1q5rI2wVi4+cb33kZYA8zS7N4+TRvpsq1PjMQHcPjQSm7sdtf qWauTfbM6dPUgE4WbxRCVQDvPLL5zudC+b1Ktz04bMBxNs1PBFvDjLHoOa4+SycQ vwj1C31QH2SZ3CQ+uSL6 =k2Uf -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2011 03:11 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No one is suggesting that we dont challenge big companies with vested interests. I'm suggesting the opposite. I'm suggesting that we challenge big company spectrum hogs to give back spectrum, if they can use innovative techniques to free it. So this is like ipv4. Ask for huge swaths of space back. That doesn't scale. It just delays the problem. Asking for spectrum back will help for a while, but it won't be sufficient. We need to do the innovative research/development and work with the FCC to get rules changed. People don't give things back, it's a fact of life. The innovation that results from scarcity, will ultimately flow back into the large spectrum holders. Then hopefully they won't need more spectrum, because they will be able to use what they have at a great density. - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNOHWtAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtQkgQAIJeY3+flLzAEfenL/3AlAon QcOKoOYg8kN6zh9AQ6Dw8vU3nKPP8/dgJttqVCFyRXAuaQsXUA4c6IMDiJtVn9Tw 0tBFDT585L/R8zLMnzcRKQ+bMGvlTj46tP2Wuwp9jBnyNEeH3LZS6nG59vJ1c5Nh 7ysHCLIRAZKqbNxybSkKMQBJwsxL9ObZlDszb2PV5YQatEG3qXfQCGhBFjnlN3at iyCvFluHfBxucpuZAPkbDnoX2tQkPwc+29wOtWBERnGPRxNErKKTC5pzDU0hiQim R6ZNGLRZhAowW8C1UdCtHODjk8OKqvYibT//O0y48Iq4XMgZvIy/hgpmFSwZenWd 9Pb/tbCwITdlaMZngLsKeKEHVEbnvcbEdvSADO9pnqdCARqvI+m0mTnyEb2Rod5/ Pi8mYqXrHXaIDadjIJxtkc858ULtIG4Lk0Y562VoDg51JfmW7QpCoA5yJFvP5gyC apCED1j1dd6ZxdsBGE0N9S8OwSvOv9ufDPDodhXl0HhgAqSq+48fbT/vSX+lW1rw 2E1+m9crVZbzfX1n/MK+DwodTZVyqCzBb1tr7r4IdAFYO/gLTBOdFe/uX5KCMNYe wB0+PVJgBODZm0RAVeKH2+ZC8IuWNa7J+gTNOwbQqM+peLFrRUg9GJuisMM2PNWt doW27++KiZC2Obs0WZB3 =t1gJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don't feed the trolls. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNL038AAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt4vsQALY+GnQXl8lfEUh/OBVqOdpi ys+fFVNeCotsgrS18XfmojJiQGoSsRJ9NEvlAqZpU074SeaY7G3pcG8ltYHz7pV3 Q/g28bgAOqxrAU9RgvRaIFQu1gYnatzwtJcMXAE4aqUi2J6bPnq7mhV9fZtm2H3v loUEi54hQknRC4YEKGJSUNtniF1Ry1AKqbWr/FL6k8TgvNLZq3a+PEKJCnquUgW5 1Wag/Uh4+pKyzeoFPrYaRhsCCME8YDM7ca+ypL7kaYcKr/essmCaElONn8l3kZ23 g7bKDq4enfpnDHywImiVajn4ZR6lk09TKUjfjy9i+h+qXCC4VD5jU4J4zVe2pXPM jloNlTn37g3un0+BdVQ4AwCAoRiWRor+64bHhNVfJUL/7OG3CTUZuLKlVGbYMh8A SHDNQ0Izbl6Ezky3o91sMXCy/yVyTniOZFQY27Nr4XGn068Sh7yh8qE57VcSH7HC V19W3Ov1qaSqoBYy5NAIia/leyEHbG9zGhI/r1ETYJsJEgO+9BMZB6dA+AV1CqM5 fFvwpwTk+xuGQttSJ+HpVgwDDFE5In/NF/3AF8V8mGWAfF6z6mjJNHvtute0fnCR v7iXSvMS+qBS6xbXMZnuDDH//doB+IlKNKwdug9Nv0dPHvuQq1HotrzDqIw9t7QF qhtMvXcinPOHgHeiR3g2 =aZoA -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already doing it. Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very soon. Currently only handing out ipv4. I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of course. So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel with prefix delegation and find out. Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice (pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik). Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time. Greg - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNL1LyAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt2QkP/31PZuaL5xY3f3QDt0/2eSkg 03pKgN5OJM9THHIjchyFQJuAwzoxc6g8CsqbfNQEWNaOqpgwSWPLJXv9YaJZ8KKK xxYeX70fsLTU1jYKVjbHE+vA+Hwq2VjgecDLrzI1m7/tIbUdHWlWscKYr65l6IJR Bd8pVRwokbvdr7XvOIeBL77cAC5DPzpFayP/YWZBGpOM2JT4BU5R3cru4KZSIswN IjGY64Ofc7YW5PIvQasDvSLTGikKj5hhCoKhALrHoazGy2oevBWZ1E86LvxbTJ04 JPIof8WihpKA/VJQAfo+7UirXAQnpGfb4O6FAiPrhlfR61Z5hPGxMbpVPTZhS+Vx PXR1+X+m2UJicdAs+O+bhN3BBRgaXb4Fj9fituyQW/2UcGvyD/iiAiWg9u2nDdfY muQ8lv/nx0wC8e5VscZ9cBMKkh7l2Z6QkKhfwrcyfwLFVG6KGTvpoNDYAU1UGTGU u1Zb7Gbht3awn18yu4693HWu5PCYEKJ4Sl29ew1avRpf80pFDzXyNnJ+YSjuo159 ZbUYTbKlFYOrdxK2k2lxe4sCOSRq0/B0n3y3Z4ummkyKlTJnnVQpz0rozus3fteT t+q2tJxkIJ61aAPUrcq3kl6UAc+KZ+SjHKeZwtbFt3J1gbFoHG3izdDOUrZaF4zW TLZ9++N8yZOW8Pko9Xb3 =i8uH -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 sample letter to grandfather earth satellite
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would like that as well. I chatted with a 3.65 gear vendor, and they said the telcos don't care. It's the cable companies that do. Here in the Los Angeles area, I've found that to be the case. The Sprint/ATT ground stations are up in the Santa Monica mountains. Rolling out 3.65 service in LA/OC won't bother them one bit. However the cable companies have lots of unidentified ground stations, and have had issues with people utilizing 3.65 gear. So they would only grant me PtP rights and not PtMP. If anyone wants more details about operating 3.65 in Los Angeles feel free to contact me off list. I plan to roll it out soon now that UBNT has released some gear for it. :) On 01/04/2011 10:45 AM, Ken Nye wrote: I was wondering if anybody has a letter they sent to the Grandfathered Earth Satellite stations to request a 3.65 waiver? I am in the SF bay area and I have a bunch of these stations in the area, and I want a well worded letter to send Thanks!!! ~Ken WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNI25HAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtGB8P/ikm8wuLzzqMvrzdjv7bWgYs 1iQygs7DlPT+IsJ1qmFV0Ns1EIWntBKjy3TdwJ4fqLg4n0TgE5nbKVv0tmQPaSeN CcPCS0k3yKZyrpf7KZsVklReFBCynkSq/qTWQY81qQHBFTWEJefI/Mbmctr95rKJ QtXso7Ts+KNnvFESqRAUTVzBFLk0FKNaEeeW20dloKQq/KjHjOOD8PpyTdv5pyzM hv+jBTm6fZMbye/4cs8/E0IUhRqte3uMj5Gf7CjYe3+B9g4wM/miQ+aTIgMzFJXV d17MFGfIrdVqyGI2r9A5VK8Sh57cQj8hLrbixM/kxmG6zskLex6Fi3YBKqH5gTNV h2ByMCZsDQFKVvrVa3HHu/tFlan6npqwbo7Wk5h1ymSJiA+nJzx1DTLmIGreYW7Z WyQNwCYFuUsSsZHQDl5HAs9ns34M0UXeXubpZozvUb6Xf+TGUHWYjniGQtek4H+1 Md3qFiiKCXwOIsI1JoImOErGaFkY+nzvNlkEMRQ/BR4OqChCRx2dXa5h7j0dZ6Ez ulAIDHqvnDwd2n1+pr4EPVWEhghmBsqE9JjP+mJUsEZvGeifU2EPQKl37egfYEKa pJWsMn64zQZz+RjEC6dPdI+GGI0VtcQlE+YQWz/NgPez0NfZcMyR9+j1czAjCfxG tJtMnKmzV4cuGR3xpxHQ =Ts8S -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The pricing better come WAY WAY WAY down if multiple people can access the same spectrum. The only way the current prices are justified is because the access is exclusive. On 12/30/2010 10:43 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Where do we start? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] More Spectrum!! Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on than this. If we can start to use other white space spectrum - or even scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused - we will have all the spectrum we need. Time to roll! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3348 - Release Date: 12/30/10 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNHNhMAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtSTEQALlhiB/7VdBbZrUrCFNLaSaV J84/lWx4ciaXgAtItE9pH1d4VcKzFozAdbkSJ12avL783+ej0R+9u+b4xtjAP69U UFRI/mHwviybyJ2KjreP0EOLWIK7bTgLf9I4jockaeAyRS3WJ1IfhVdFtEZPBup2 rhyq3qwR8THX3ECHR8m1ZTKCclvoJRxGfh5hUr4gOVtJh4iwq1ve4jGDSMhr8Pu6 +jCgmm29N0Kxk8ohBxCJrlCBGK/y/x5TdF75SMCDX4h1ZVfsBGWYWwIv5rgMw40r r0yeSStmdaQHf3omz4q7lkQRLNw4IJpNQmKV5Ik9gepPUqnUr3WojxrmW/MgFmLC TUzjvmwuYDCFImshhCcDxhJhZhHo/bMihVzJMoGyoElDUSQ7Ab6YleIVRTfaemzq VHElWTVkbCL8fKDUdasHhMByH6dXdEBirfk2mUYkkcj2xWCVxT3lYhpkxjllF9FG H57Mi48HSdxCL/RqTcPnlypquf3YnY9wyk1fhdfbOJIXrbMbzTXCQ6N1rVBKiCKi gErHiV+2tKXegzciWOmRY1cC1q/tGj0gfdLCFdrKsWvXTIfQHLVr6Snc/dp0QxYg kjEhBCeYkd9NWabTNPlEB7AgwFcSI9oe1r5RnWbAlfhRwfCt1uKPN7MuaD4dHmh0 sS7r+A9RtBM6ujR0EJ0m =a/VI -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixed Orbit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 peeringdb.com perhaps. On 12/30/2010 01:08 PM, Matt wrote: Are there any other sites similiar to fixedorbit.com to determine how well a host is peered? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNHPWAAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtackQAJymP6AMVd/cDSELSZ0/B59P onSBuIOKr5TXsh9nDOBYYT0N6Evh5WZJfyqaobKQ+GmnERqYAbzT7WfrXXzFLXVN RnuNP2d5qh1I0xAw3MFUiD3kC2JmIHl+MJgZd1eY0MoiMGW6a6UPgidyd99QuKS2 WTd0xjj4WTw1HRsNx25b0ZUNnPSbAMOJ1X9stSE2JG8OICBBCTTgUkLjFXW9xToM Ms4uhXoqcZdshU2yIqrqrpSq6pE39ApgHMlYd9gKZQjOrUHdBmMogUZb4EpznA6C vUQ95ZnKicOZj6yIYXCjjPSfx+JHMlum+mihMS1DDALFmZyarucH8Xz+lneAJinK XReKzalQ5iXWPXM/rjUcWWxS2lzDShIEH2KeX5JWJstFdYuH/VG0Sy/jMW8t/6lx qUn5rgGB9jMQ4cMY2aMdvJqYBTSBpoQyh3UyXzkXEIaElMrug11Tz/KqhC7OQtlw cu5CmMupIj1JDkCILr4VoHpXb6lWqc0p/eAGIIyM1QNPk2e2NTPNJmKjeRBhdTEg j8WH25KnMiWr+CEFSgnuBMxvXw0QNDHC7hVAWjQHlOQCSOKY0GtA62o0oSxfbYfO YbF1pUrX/v0dUaNpaibdnStRhQ5xrJ/WQmXBow46Fy8vrvSdh57ZCWRG6qbhKutA D+qF9k2zVSy+alEpw8IL =e4Dh -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much better outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together on backhaul etc. Form a strategic partnership. - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNG7b8AAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtDhsP/30tw5lT6t1l0IcBmmm9bs8e Qf06WQbo9IgGxGlcWOQyL3au/nQmPYuFV8d3JVp71nkGXjVKRKPrGvdG3dBjfjix xrnplevyRZ205ksgYa7dJK1IsUfTTDXVo5Yw/LdrnIG9M0Mn3hSy8QmnCr7H1wZD zy5BLXqyf/QyLEy4oD7CN9EXk553rVf6I0ElmLRmYStK9oIhL79b3HrkN9pBxpZ+ BtEtrEAZzjzcK8bLoY3KmvKqK+V98/oQU73CAXwME/GOpiyFCWv9AX7UZyysMrIZ 3z0p9G9PtcvhuCRhiehjFsdRZV+JvznO/gI00fnCHZWRHsHT0yb4W6AyqLsYEgsM lBMBw1iCG/UZ24luJamM90h0KfVQ48o8mkI3h4AI1vVN658UNJoVsvX4IUqH8BcN 3d1r/w9WKEPOaEVd7F4fR7aCuLipZzIZNsTLoA5DLPAMZFCGYDRC57sydTTqgyL6 QIzfbhbICnv7a7ko+n0s7MvHaI1D/PNi5ckXxdCef/Nw5de0cv7M1PM9fK9fHomz CZhkMJA0qPv0V7yQr6+dIOTZLf19DyHk5uVzQXIITN9bO55XTmGV7ZgYnPCMMtwe 2iQ1l/XzywcaKbOoV44rP8yhIRqTol14XKqIgICQuWyQos+m/qTI/lQ26E2g8SQr cu0HzLf7IWOhom6UWTha =py8H -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/20/2010 06:52 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 12/20/2010 07:56 PM, Jeromie wrote: While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed) wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be forcably broken apart for wired isps (IE, if you are a ILEC, you must have a separate business entity run the 2+, with set prices for everyone who wants to be a layer 2+ entity on that layer 1 network) with wireless getting a mix of this (unlicensed is not bound to layer 1/2+ split, with some licensed being (like cellular) and some licensed not being bound (like 3.65, sub 700) and opening more spectrum (that is a mix of bound and non-bound) and see where that takes us. Time to wake up and go pickup the kids. That's what I asked for too, separation of the ILEC services into wholesale lower layers and multiple providers of unregulated upper layers. You do realize that regulation and government action is required for that to happen. I thought you didn't want any regulation at all? Doesn't work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNEEBxAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtrB0P/RDCbBPr/+S7Bfg3zLITvKku i5j86w30KhbU32ZgL2XJg5kzlOIMBXi42LvFF8cAj7ZLrvqh5czZhWPbmJkyJtUZ zMgxXwC6ERao3esZEEEaso8XqPMbAmua3y3qrX3UCFC5ZDyhH+flkyLUlD7IYWcj OKpzg4sqTnys44fAO/EZSnabfOmlhvRSu+OxZp7O5POZWHHtQEOJLGuSJ/c8lEk0 yYObpBaFzd3yCi6HeDCpjym/9HA6qRXwv8U1zlR9VNf7h/mUoSFffWfxcjtxDecB IrbLUQfnNRTGASNIH5jWzwm4i0aPdJ0qjHa105XHw9UnlFEnYrVXMatFw8qt2KDr ZZKkU/pE8IEIC0rJt+azpSVatnpxQwNb9xHg+PnexDcJlhoYPSdofbUcgUcp++Jy aBWUuGw3/7W5wow/nzayEXGnpMJk9Tv7PmPLb7Z36uACEvH13qTSx/q/QNOHVBhp HAga2QpiAUK54aJYC5e/zV6VDR58xjYB8ggjpGn8YwgcjPnrprSkw3TBGXX56wfZ ckjZYGFUiFc9NmLWW5BZgJOPSvOSXF/g6wGnILpObdD6AnxMIkrJxOYfTRfuWm6e yotQ22mHZWhin7zPJ4xLQxqUx901MudQjfZSekHNdmuEVMziG2EJ4nVOh9dD640/ EOV4S3uf+uum21uRHqKG =sN91 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed) wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be forcably broken apart for wired isps (IE, if you are a ILEC, you must have a separate business entity run the 2+, with set prices for everyone who wants to be a layer 2+ entity on that layer 1 network) with wireless getting a mix of this (unlicensed is not bound to layer 1/2+ split, with some licensed being (like cellular) and some licensed not being bound (like 3.65, sub 700) and opening more spectrum (that is a mix of bound and non-bound) and see where that takes us. Time to wake up and go pickup the kids. Um. so you want the big guys to have to play by certain rules (be dumb pipes) but you wouldn't have to play by those rules as a small player? Why shouldn't that regulation be applied to wisps as well? Why shouldn't you have to share spectrum? Let's realize we are all in this together and come up with workable solutions. Let's be partners with the ISPs and not make it us vs them. . I have been doing a lot of thinking about how to make packet movement (in particular backhaul) somewhat more fair. I already discussed peering on the list in recent days. Have folks been following the NBN rollout in Australlia? It leaves a certain amount of rough edges on the implementation specifics (see the AUSNOG mailing list archives for several very detailed discussions). However it's a national l2 network. Pretty cool stuff. See I'm a layer3 and above guy, and have targeted very specific areas for my wireless deployment (currently in 4 locations in the greater la/oc area). I'm deploying an advertising network and giving internet access away. I'm going into areas that don't have a lot of existing wifi, running heavily localized advertising driven hotspots. So I don't have spectrum issues. However I face the same problems as many wisps at layer3 and above (namely getting bandwidth at a good price where I need it). So what would folks like to see? Would you like to see a layer1/2 natural monopolie run as a municipal utility, that would run an open access/co-op fiber network? How many here participated in the broadband forum meetings that were held prior to the Obama election? How many people here reached out to those folks and requested exactly this? I know I did (I went to the Los Angeles meeting). Don't get mad, get even!!! Hmmm... the above was a bit rambling... looks like rough pieces of a mind map for a blog post. :) Things to think about anyway. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:30 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, we LOST. You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get partial exemption. I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this. As far as I’m concerned it's come and arrest me, coppers and I will damn well NOT comply. And if we all did that. They'd just give up. But we're too chicken to stand up for ourselves, as a country, anymore, apparently. I don't know when people forgot that according to the Constitution, we tell the government what to do and where to get off, not the other way around. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNEEKgAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt19AQAJ37RZb/1ORF1XUr+Cb6O2xX M1Sp2QKxqPUfG+EaGGosLRchOrK8TyWrlxR8LR9qEYzFXbNO8VDg4DQlsl06p7FC rlrSDwXhFWHjJ7bx2EbSIhXC5JQoWsBRy1vS4D4FRdG5NqoTOEZbmCuFLhGM6FbG gd+lcawW1v4IcmK5clRceVqMC3Re/oPKGoMFSKLeQlv2eyXGz8qmyGT9h2XV+85j jzzVcjdypTzTVtPW3oT5d5FgPPLEfkTlCQN0POYTELyJGrEmVyYjgCKfttK90Jjy vgO5NPBISZzPV9K5iTt6znDiMda+es2olIn13FI20wAl6WZJCdKmId4zqHWnWm+O 8075XcuMoydANddR/0SPiJcoJo0pMI2yScTf4Iy79eVXQVKMFIbqS8uoZEnmJRXE /jxwXdzR69hxww91eTWEtDnbpBxyki10WCvPReCma2VE/9BoQKBIuol7qhMHg999 BPqgCW8U6g/lBrxNmwVNPGftngXi5UzyNqwfsksUxpV/OwNjU5/dr2v6DAdpRcPK 0w7N+Urkh7sUApFEc3hYTpYPBJTL2Rhjp3s5xt89cxjr/DimuhH0WyKCcIPsTQNv uwP9xq3YcpQ12wIJyZP6ODSwNV1Aabzdr+tZIHsTcfwrEpw6GIJaNtNsqxq6//2v PWBrSECldSImdr5ZqrDN =hM4B -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Peering, was Re: Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
On 12/19/2010 1:48 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Inline On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: All peering is good peering (until egos get involved). Peering with content providers may save you some money. Open peering with anyone sufficiently clued to have a ASN makes the internet and your provider community stronger. Of course. Peering is very good across the board. My point was that more significant advantages come from access to content network peering. I didn't mean access networks shouldn't peer with each other. The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the fabric. Agreed on a textbook template. Disagree that any talent is needed to run the fabric. Setup some basic port security on a L2 switch (one mac address, etc) and get rolling. You don't need route reflectors or anything fancy to get started. Actually, you don't even need a shared switch if there are only two participants. Fair enough. A bit of skill is required to keep it running, recruit new participants, troubleshoot issues etc. I've never built a peering fabric before, but plan to build one this year. Yeah it's a small subset for sure. In my experience if someone doesn't have the clue there are other ISP peeps in the area with clue and care to help. Perhaps our local small IX just has a good community. Oh of course. I didn't mean to belittle folks. I was just commenting on the fact that good network folks are hard to find. :) We run ~5 Mbps on average with peaks over 50 Mbps.This is on a IX with 15 participants, most of whom you've never heard of. We have people working from home with a VPN to work. Online backup with servers that consultants host with other local providers (and servers with us and clients on other providers), VoIP systems, video conferences with teaches from schools. All of these applications benefit from local peering. Absolutely. Peer early and often. :) Please, everyone, consider the locations you have in common with other providers. If you are in a datecenter or larger facility check out http://www.peeringdb.com Peering will help more than it can hurt. +1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 02:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the southland to build out the infrastructure. In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me rooms. Other areas of the country not so much. Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm7bAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtf7MP/R62xrf3a1v/G+mQMCzrA3xi HvbUg7OglDal1JvqFvSrEnIxvq6gmwlrII+XABVo/dlKIGkX9tx6OA8Ni0IOftrn hp6ba5tVdN3nSmkBCKhIK7BpaABHfYDmYlVnGLP7GCweBWClODGK6v0tSUmam//d oXFRtInH7XX+fNC0OQpFPWCJE5TLDRi54Py1Usui+2uYMvyNM1FvqzIgIgJwfgBb gTKRqI+cAzCWch3AlLbdxJhNcNEj4FLo+Fqi8IqNSOB7PbH28hF6Xt7MnuNnvFN8 LmEvHfilhVX2uH908zhvmk93UaJxI1b3SlOnGvstbN/FxBHOpTxjIJhzLyEoD1eO 3muxK9pI7n+XmetTbamBrNVPMGa3S55x8dDCpZiCe2raPukhbiYGEWPRYvslK3/D 1yc2KxZI7Oj7hG88qin9hIqjWOt1I/aoAAGezv0N1Rt/y0oRpP8jubNev+clMcB0 xQzoft8oibP1M+j3J8YvTcYG8fST889MpIrzNCDpKT2NDhpv9XKYDxL+uUvSwf+n Ar10XzASgyle4Ao+z+aIru4rUk44gdGeswbyWhGleAxz7GG+ZlE0NfqA5A6nKH5e JtE2lo+HiE9xDzzOmVVGWy68xHtLYjodQZOM8e0RfolIbtbNCBWUxWBc3PyRuCjv si2j+0ooCeAvT5ZIXe0o =TldW -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 09:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: You wouldn't connect to NetFlix, but to LimeLight, Akamai, or Level3. Sure. You are absolutely correct. Ideally you would connect to an open peering fabric that has all these players on it. That way you don't need to meet Akamai traffic commits, as they are already in a vast majority of the exchanges. This is where multiple WISPs buying bandwidth in aggregate helps out. Absoultetly. This is one of the core tenants of socalwifi.net model. Aggregation/collective bargaining power. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm9cAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtht8QAIR0ZTfD2eOK2hoSEpi+3t8l VGdnawVd9RribNymLclU/f/Upf1sxdRt4GJ23Ln0wMJD3RMxXh/F77F6DCQ8YMfR U97P7lrYw4SeMjts/mOSU8fk4nAb2WUJ04H0L6vztdIK96exC0yugJH9wpdtA2vU YWzGlu7mRJrN3S1XA7GMZcxmaNC7hH+TxYgqAar8w4feD2vDAbHnwXPYVZ+srnz6 wShXfa6qvq2sNhhkRYnHxQE5LlbxchUiYaiWKHItlSrv06LxVumor/larwfOU+eV 2WPf+UtTmYFFDKVGqWFL3JFdZrY5Bx+HIwdGEaRTa9xvkH6zgRZlo7dyhIK8ZAR+ uwIocXzRkIeTkN6KLJi6jGeEnXmzdOyuTRkS73NbTR2/dwDzxkYHTE9k2jofYl8l 9SaDflXkwl1mbJfTk41cr6Ca66tCJBq3FnfwWBqYUEj0IHqFa5S9j3dHiUi0ySWs VxQlYGTLCB1FGcwHH/ys2gXIeX/NQuoMbPFKY/K8LYe45ynR0JRwmTllxV2LqIhT K+SvtHw2tPaUlQBxyc02+lBKzvbispjk2iih+Vt7ow69HAsiJnluGMUl/LqlplHe gDIUeQUnaiOpwEJEFbS4mN+yum7Tzha4G6dLiyCXWk9f1h6vkgDDn3/UgXa0Sez9 kYyOygZMIOcuiBufQApc =H4YQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 01:01 PM, jp wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:56:11AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote: Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. I've peered in the past with an ISP because we both were part of a statewide frame relay network and it was just the cost of a PVC to do it. It's not about access networks peering. That's usually not worth the effort for the reasons you outlined below. It's about peering with the content provider networks. The current impediments to small ISPs peering are: 1. BGP skills and hardware. It used to be the only reliable thing for BGP was a big cisco decked out with overpriced ram. Now anyone can do BGP private peering with a PC running MT/vyatta/linux or an MT routerboard, or their cisco or their juniper. Still, few have BGP experience to do this comfortably. The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the fabric. You can get the talent in socal, but it's not nationwide. People could hire Butch or someone on guru.com to setup bgp, but they like to have the self sufficiency to DIY in many cases. I've probably met face to face all the people in my state who are proven BGP skillful and it's not a lot. Yeah it's a small subset for sure. 3. decreasing uplink costs. Used to be you'd do anything to save a precious megabit and peering was one such thing. I had a satellite receiver system for receive usenet to offload the bandwidth back in 97ish. Now it's just outsourced. We used to cache a lot more web traffic too. Now it's helpful but not so important. If there were an occasional megabit of traffic going to another local ISP, I wouldn't really consider it worth the effort of peering. I would suspect most of the traffic between WISPs is email and a little random p2p, and perhaps some vpn activity between employees and businesses that use different service providers. The peers despite the extreme minimalist financial investment should be more reliable than the uplink to make good sense as well. Again it's not about access networks. It's about content networks and access networks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCowSAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt4b8P/1q3iJwv42KpEFBWeBy6GFZv huZVjXh/XWPCLSjcJPpQPGeRFZx2/D6yw6oMP+XRMt0DxlS6/bHM2EXbK+rStTwI tyfNc4jTvEBdvIjLAbDnmGI1YNl0xcfrU+9Ch/YG/qV0i6sDkdFPw7W9Se6e4LQZ PW43mxT+stAxrtw42+xR+qJA1bmH5VfekM7oECasT/Lbd0NdrnMqeRdattLzMyaq D1pQRZ6v9cYSMOjKmdPS9EIF96TeqVe8MEfnVT7SD4oyaW6JAX5t3lh2x3+4NoOX zDcqKGR98CXkpgql66hCZpvTNSaQOp1iWOICpMFUG/47maUNc3PU7Sae5dwGgHOA 1d3jcH7MCbaCQB1rLeWx0OBHyz6TmYfbnekJxbceJyPIO1BK9aoe2pB4OpB9gcNK db44Us79VwmaxK2pAqxkjpp8NiTC7uNwOTbYCs38KVY96N/hvhAjdjI5pFH6ff+K mL8GEp7yWP/9MhYQJAakPtLQY8KDWo27pT+iYM+pUzmsz9cPAHNDGFMjCFdEucu8 ibh0nqkp4N3r5opP+qNkHaDG0Sb+B2/t7KZnMWpiBzcnaD+7gY6GEgffOrN5ydOZ RcJTOMRSe4eN4uBsAQY1rT94oXN3SC+ZpTMIZVkeYd0R43A2lGBLFXG93fAVfCtJ p2nENREpFic4Sth2ZvJ1 =9aVZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with freedom. Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and destroy small competitive providers. Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens. Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached. Um no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide best effort 911 service? I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's a two edged sword. Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. What would happen if we made a Save the Small Provider, the real Open Internet or Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the Save the INternet Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of view. On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what consumers can find and have access to. What preventing Google from doing that right now, and compromising our Free country? Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come from the amount of information that is collected and collated on individuals and used to target advertising. Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv). They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies. How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other large brands. There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when you move from the access to distribution layer. Most people that speak publicly in the operations community are at the access layer (running eyeball networks). Very few people from the content provider/distribution space speak publicly. I am limited in what I can say, as I'm bound by various NDA. However I can say that the content providers and eye ball networks are interested in working out a good deal for everyone because of all the interdependencies in the digital asset supply chain. (Comcast being the obvious exception). Now I am of the impression that we need to have some regulation. It needs to let us run our networks in the best way possible. That means everything from traffic shaping on our customer facing links, to whatever traffic engineering policies we deem necessary to improve the bottom line. Also WISPS do need to be recognized (at a national level) as wireline replacement. We should not be lumped in with the JOKE that is mobile broadband ^H^H^H toy broadband. What makes content providers a better steward of Freedom than Access providers? Take a look at the supply chain sometime. The market will dictate self regulation. It's only when people like Comcast get greedy and have a monopoly, that things get nasty. At that point it is my opinion that the market rapidly steps in and shuts out that player. ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCRuDAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt9LEP/3bsR6dcyXUVBTGIF6kM++pA 5pg+vEqL0G5d6i+XR1DvDs+SlfILOfdSWsv3oRFSN/AHmopznq/2lB4AR/9SMqZs fdntkaB2wiuQBbAFeZUhXxJkKo8i/3hFzFLfzKApfTA0I6NoD3uUpO4kbzLFjMsq 17SJAN2RX9RxhmNTayyPnpb4Fj+otX4/NukWMB2da04k6f04jP1ok5uuAQOFErMm O6yi+KOVycp432LecNrVsHXwYHLdR0flpqfy8++SZ1M04aluUhCU8d8MUrU4Y96d
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I use Proxmox and love it. OpenVZ is the way to go. It's an amazing piece of software. Combine it with Proxmox and you get everything VmWare offers for free. On 12/15/2010 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen. I'm not sure if any other methods are working their way into current releases. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCRvcAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtRLcP/RXR/z1/vecdETmNOVCdumED xKYggiHzMwWoXmENCCTPwfbDtPPOdsNnweN80rAdq+yXMfC0CeidlOTgHaKewemE ijrp4HN+/xsxcyZMz9ygFXHfXfDT7P0TEV4/hlV/+TXOeGaUYX4JqIY/4FPvc32f aprMy8qNfPRQtGClthFyVa6P/N4u+9g6aIg7Z9WyFglRqySj9P+aXFrXAY4UZc6n FyqfRKM86OJzcM56tTlPQH39dRRHUGjlgpVIF6A1PxD0Cl5lCvq0zBNHjDI7q/M3 DODPTsLsmmJKI29uGHu1gPhiOhAW463/MFut2vpL53IMK/+SY236otB3Wvg6bD4K cFoT5LZZYyW0nNSib7cjQYXbPODVGzz0lMADEy/mHK2Sgv8WCqMwDwbC4Lu3V9eX dcamhrGH5JVctVtZKMir65N89R4Y6hpl3uOlR1ZTXPkmPgZsdkCrUHDeWotVWqvr knACeKFdz3X4J4ztcygUkw73QjrnaYbOk/QMeK1vvGLXfWDgTvtgryQ/V4Z9bkKJ gbWBQXE9GEy9TOujmTOrAR05jS+lOhJgBU/9nBhIHFYbiP7tYZ5i7VY7dDfu6Xl4 r/F8iXVpeBq8jXERSxYeHTnREo8JGv3JixXK+CZynNu7KAL145nYN7RI9IMUPzuk z1PzNyuF4+tdmTc6fyCJ =zoVr -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm deploying it into an OpenVZ container today. I saw folks online get it to work (once they adjusted several quotas). I will see if it works. :) On 12/13/2010 06:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Doesn't work worth a darn in OpenVZ or KVM virtual environments. Still working on migrating containers around to free up a physical server to try VMWare. Should work on that as VMWare owns Zimbra. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNB7P2AAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtXTMQAJ0wuIOlgWcDPjedpZlskSVu Mao9FlTbpV+EQOkjcyLkvAb2bdVCHHv7beethz6q+xjDp4SUJT6ksKaFIHfY+hTN 23/9W4GyFXbpz7N49MvTLt+YXXHB1rcrdSnukPKRWB6bGCBb7goAcVZWy0VQiHvv 4o/TZNHsaYtLFl2yE+4OB/1yW8T666Jz89onqffuu9CaWqV8xYaZsukVBY47uWBK b3L/H4wnWcNvm/8Uoa5uCWoWnmPpIcHyQec8H8BSNcDYwRnQX0imF8vXMKp93t2y lr8HbECp6npQ01rJ/9m705S4PVN5x2JTb/tqVubmvR5cjBcI+rKdWn6PLM1j9meJ diWAkuEHHWSYaigSjujzzdVVP8qr1FxmYwaZ8M2wd2C9UJhX02CdDbNmwwzwJCV3 JshNT1yjRTh6tesDS/yiJW1Apq8bY6rZ8b+z04o48foSHlfFp2JPMS301/7aFQgP /1LDqGIFQoWnBYdbq1z2feu4BvV1oQ2xEwlZLl8NTOJ2xu8L7w+o9Ma9xsNsrdk6 r+BjdvScrgZYenQDOUqenFRto9o3OA2QI1uTQahcUSuXpEffBexyPjHN2IupucxY FHHQ1Aj/5yokbEIaz4SDgpJY0xkkAQA9Tg2wG4A2Sngefuy8Avw9AAwhVMJ9Ok1m SLxDsgK92RMSaV12Ha/r =W4TG -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
I presume the wireless interface is fully operational on the customer system? It's not disabled, and can see other networks in the area? On 11/22/2010 12:26 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Charles N Wyble (818)280-7059 char...@knownelement.com President CEO Known Element Enterprises WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS
On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote: I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow. I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each with a single feed. If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like to see performance on, let me know. Yes. pfSense. I'm running that here for dhcp/dns/vpn and terminating VLANs. I would like to know it's performance for full BGP feeds. And thanks for all the responses. The information has been very helpful. Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is I have no idea what I'm going to do. Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip. Hopefully Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Every email and website to be stored
URL is broken the irony is thick. Lol. Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored after the Coalition Government revived controversial Big Brother snooping plans. It will allow security services and the police to spy on the activities of every Briton who uses a phone or the internet. Moves to make every communications provider store details for at least a year will be unveiled later this year sparking fresh fears over a return of the surveillance state,,, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and-website-to-be-stored.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
Kurt, The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable in the white pages as well. I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too much with your post here. Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a- CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Every email and website to be stored
Yeah. I got to it via /. Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Worked on my phone. On Oct 21, 2010 9:30 AM, Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca wrote: URL worked here. Al -- At 11:44 PM 10/20/2010 -0700, Charles N Wyble wrote: --- URL is broken the irony is thick. Lol. Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored after http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and -website-to-be-stored.html -- END QUOTE - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
Or its a smear campaign that doesn't hold water. I've seen that a lot on this list. Usually I stay out of it, but this time I had to speak up to defend a friend and locally (to me anyway) run company. As evidenced by the reply no real effort was made by the op to resolve the issue. Its easier to just write a nasty email to a professional association list. Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: It's posts like these that keep a company honest. I wouldn't think that he damaged their credibility maliciously if what he has stated is accurate. You shouldn't have to dig around to find information or contact info on a company like that. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.comwrote: Kurt, The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable in the white pages as well. I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too much with your post here. Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a- CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
Brian, I think this is a wonderful idea. :) On 10/11/2010 07:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth
I agree. Lots of options. I suggest getting a list of who is in the meet me room at your closest carrier hotel. That's how I found a couple of fiber providers I didnt know about (socal Edison and Burbank dwp ). Some hotels have wireless meet me rooms for backhaul. Any way to backhaul from a carrier neutral pop over a wifi link or 3? I'm thinking a one time capex investment of say 1k (ubnt gear, solar backup, installation grounding, shieled cable) you could save a lot of opex every month. You would have a rental and cross connect fee per month of course. Actually it doesn't even have to be carrier neutral. Ive been surprised how many places offer colocation on towers. Att and tmobile have comprehensive info online. Lots of other fiber providers have facilities you can rent some tower space at. Wireless local loop seems to be the way to go. Carriers seem to be embracing it as a revenue stream. Might as well get something instead of nothing. Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Legacy loops (DS3/OC3) are some of the most expensive local loop transport circuits. There is no single way to find an alternate / less expensive local loop transport. The amount of options greatly varies on exactly where you are. It could be an alternate CLEC, Local Cable Company, Fiber Division of local Power Company, etc. If you send me (off list) the address of where you are, I may be able to suggest some alternate's. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 10/4/2010 11:56 PM, Roger Howard wrote: Thanks for your replies everyone, there's good feedback in this thread. Regarding Faisal's comment: Additionally, if you are paying in the range of $1500 to $3000, then it would also be worth-while to consider purchasing a 'Gig E' transport to a Carrier Neutral Faclility ( eg. 56 Marrietta in ATL, or Dallas, or VA etc), and then picking up Bandwidth of your choice either directly or in-directly) I am paying above that range, but most of it is for the local loop of our 20 meg fractional DS-3. Who would I go to to get a circuit as you describe, surely it would have to be my local phone company who is already charging me a lot more money for a lot less circuit? How can I get around this? Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth
On 10/04/2010 12:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote: What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person asks what you are paying right now. Hmmm. I've never been asked that. Usually they give me a rough quote right on the phone for 1/2/5/7 year contract length. Usually I'll say something like oh that's in the ballpark of what other vendors are giving me. Do you tell them, and if you do, won't they just undercut it by a little just to get your business? I wouldn't tell them. I would say it's none of their business. Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying for something before giving you a quote. They would probably up the price. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Whitespaces faq
Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host one. I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over and over. :) Who wants to work on a faq with me? -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks and contribute to the private wiki. Its certainly a well spent investment. Now that I'm in the process of Fielding the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join up. :) Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Charles, WISPA has a wiki open to members only. We felt we needed a secure place for secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new competition to enter the marketplace. Are you sure you want to make it public? Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision. I doubt if the members who invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate giving away the knowledge base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ. I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where they are today. The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye. It seems like a very small investment to make for the insurance of knowing that our hard work isn't subsidizing competition. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles n wyble Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host one. I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over and over. :) Who wants to work on a faq with me? -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step
On 09/27/2010 08:40 AM, John Scrivner wrote: There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. Well isn't this what whitespaces is supposed to prevent? Large amounts of exclusive spectrum already exists and is owned by monopolies. Now I think that licensed lite would be good. The FCC licensing system can facilitate coordination among providers. Maybe we can get that in whitespace ro 3.0? :) We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your channel space in your coverage area. Hmmm. So if the big money comes in and just buys up a bunch of licenses then what? You have to remember that the rules are a double edged sword. Anything that might help us protect against competition, can also be used by others to lock us out. Not a level playing field. Opportunity lost... Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
On 09/25/2010 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy? I'll be rolling this out very soon. I have a Ubiquity ns2, a linksys wrt54gl and two custom access points (based on nanostation). I plan to mesh them all and host a few different ssid/vlan. I'll post back with how it goes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
On 09/27/2010 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: So much easier on Mikrotik. I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality. LOL. Check out http://netshe.stasoft.net/node/28#main_features (I can't seem to find the other ubnt contest winner at the moment). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
On 09/27/2010 11:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I will need to check into VLAN support. ifconfig eth0.x might do the trick. http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/networkinterfaces has some info. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
On 09/27/2010 10:11 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up. wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap ifconfig ath1 up iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid add encryption and ect with iwconifg Here is a howto: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=12552 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
On 09/27/2010 11:58 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: This is for a public WiFi network that includes SSIDs for various agencies. Each agency's traffic is on it's own VLAN and terminates in different locations: - Public WiFi - City Offices - PD - Sherriff - County Fire - County Offices - Management Network Yeah I'm building something similiar to that: corporate prod network corporate guest network customer network honeynets WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
Awesome. It will definitely be prominently featured in the FAQ. :) On 09/27/2010 12:11 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I am working on a new Google Earth file with the TV contours that will be available. Have all the channels mapped, just looking to see if I can easily add other items like the border buffer areas and anything else that needs protecting. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles n wyble Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host one. I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over and over. :) Who wants to work on a faq with me? -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes
You have to hit show incumbents. If you just hit enter after putting in an address it doesn't show anything. The submit action appears to be the find address button which just finds you on the map. On 9/25/2010 1:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I search. Maybe they're working on it? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes
http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/ Kind of cool I think... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Whitespaces
Meeting is very soon. I'm jazzed. You all watching it live? I have a client today so won't be able to give it my full attention. Looking forward to a positive ruling!!! -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy pstn: 818 280 7059 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TVWS
So is there going to be a new report and order published? If so any idea on when it will be released? On 09/23/2010 08:54 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: I'm sure we will have much more detail in the coming 24 hours. Notes I took: No Spectrum Sensing mandated, but further development is encouraged Geo-location Database to be developed in the next few months Two channels reserved for microphone use Large users of microphones can apply for temporary license and inclusion in the Geo-location database Backhaul use will be further analyzed in the coming months. No mention of antenna heights in this oral proceeding Commissioners recognize the value proposition that unlicensed spectrum presents to economic development for US Manufacturers, integrators and end users. I believe I heard mention of an estimated 9 billion dollar industry being borne from this decision. Overall, the WISPA position is in line with most of the results. Only time will tell on the minute details of the final order as it is released to the public. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:* motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Bouterse *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM *To:* motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* RE: [Motorola II] TVWS I'm confused too. Sounded like a few people going through an intro and then they all voted for it. Maybe somebody who knows what actually happened in that short 30 minutes could explain? J Dylan *From:* motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:13 AM *To:* motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* [Motorola II] TVWS SO what we did get? Only the removal of spectrum sensing? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND
Hmm... looks like we need to keep up the good fight: Finally, it is important that we address additional proposals to set aside TV channels in rural areas for fixed licensed backhaul in the very near future. The ability of both new and incumbent wireless providers to provide 4G wireless services ubiquitously is dependent upon a robust wireless infrastructure that is too often lacking in rural areas. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
Make sure to comment to the fcc about this. Get involved and ensure your voice is heard. Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/23/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote: If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high locations around you your HAAT number could still be low. If however you are on a high mountain and the rest of the area all the way around your site is much lower, your HAAT figure will go up. Sites built on side hill locations with the hill rising above in part of the radius will greatly reduce the HAAT number. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/haat_calculator.htmlhttp://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/haat_calculator.html A subscriber's house is wherever it is, and under the new rule, they are just not allowed to subscribe if it is more than 76 meters AAT. This doesn't have to be on top of the high mountain. If you have RadioMobile, you can click around some potential sites and use its US-mode HAAT function. I found a lot of places that would be shut out. Try the hill towns in Berkshire County, MA, or just to its east, so see what I mean. Heck, these are so hilly and woody that the VHF channels look most attractive. (Not that they're available; only one upper-VHF is actually vacant there.) Only a handful of channels meet the white space criteria there to begin with. I have the FCC's contours showing in MapInfo so I can click anywhere on its map and see which contours I'm within. And of course for co-channel, I have to look for contours about 10 miles beyond. If a significant number of subscribers are shut out, not to mention the necessary access points to reach them, then we're stuck again on 900 MHz, which is pretty busy. So even with a white space access point to reach the low houses, we'd need the 900 too to reach the high houses. How silly. How is the HAAT determined? A HAAT value is determined by taking 50 evenly spaced elevation points (above mean sea level [AMSL]) along at least 8 evenly spaced radials from the transmitter site (starting at 0 degrees [True North]). The 50 evenly spaced points are sampled in the segment between 3 to 16 km (formerly 2 to 10 miles) along each radial. The elevation points along each radial are averaged, then the radial averages are averaged to provide the final HAAT value. Terrain variations within 3 km (2 miles) of the transmitter site usually do not have a great impact on station coverage. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height This item alone may be the show-stopper, the poison pill that makes it useless to WISPs in much of the country. In places where the routine variation in elevation is more than 75 meters, there will be houses (subscribers) that are more than 76 meters AAT. I notice this in the areas I'm studying, both in the east and in the upper midwest. In a place like Kansas, nobody is 75m AAT. But in the woody Berkshires of Western Massachusetts, the UHF space is needed to get through the trees, and a significant share of houses are 75m AAT. Also, if you want to cover a decent radius, the access point needs to be up the hill too. 75 meters isn't a mountaintop; it's just a little rise. It makes no sense to absolutely ban fixed use at a site that is 100m AAT if the nearest protected-service contour is, say, 50 miles away. A more sensible rule would be to follow broadcast practice, and lower the ERP based on height, so that the distance to a given signal strength contour is held constant as the height rises. Hence a Class A FM station is allowed up to 15 miles, and if it is more than 300 feet AAT, then it is allowed less than the 3000 watts ERP that apply at lower heights. Maybe the lawyers want to have more petitions to argue over. At 9/23/2010 04:07 PM, Rich Harnish wrote: 65. Decision. We decline to increase the maximum permitted transmit antenna height above ground for fixed TV bands devices. As the Commission stated in the Second Report and Order, the 30 meters above ground limit was established as a balance between the benefits of increasing TV bands device transmission range and the need to minimize the impact on licensed services.129 Consistent with the Commission's stated approach in the Second Report and Order of taking a conservative approach in protecting authorized services, we find the prudent course of action is to maintain the previously adopted height limit. If, in the future, experience with TV bands devices indicates that these devices could operate at higher transmit heights without causing interference, the Commission could revisit the height limit. 66. While we expect that specifying a limit on antenna height above ground rather than above average terrain is satisfactory for controlling interference to authorized services
Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz
SIP app on Android or iPhone? On 09/22/2010 10:09 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my installers could have to use out at customers. What would be a clincher is if it had the ability to also do 10Mhz Channels so when at a tower they could use it. Some of our towers are very rural and their cell phones don't work well. Any recommendations. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
I use pfsense as my edge and core router and am happy with it. Hoping to turn up the initial socalwifi nodes this weekend. These will back haul through pfsense. So I will get a better sense of how it scales. Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Tom - I think no matter what the solution is - it really comes down to the following: a. What you know and can do yourself. b. What you can obtain support for for free c. What you can obtain support for paid d. Overall ROI (free does not mean free ! ) I can see your point - we use pfsense in those cases where microtik would make sense - Why - because it is very easy - runs on basically anything that microtik would - and the gui is much more user friendly. PLUS - the cli makes complete sense - supports full BGP as well as many other routing protocols. We moved from using the more expensive options - like Cisco - and chose vyatta simply because their support is next to none. We had an issue @ 2AM - and had a call back by 2:15AM by 2:30 we were back up and running. Experience like that with Cisco - or Microtik - well we just have never found. Have you played with pfsense? have you played with vyatta? having used all 3 I can tell you microtik is for me the last choice. On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: I have to disagree. Except I'm arguing the opposite on Mikrotik's side. There is nothing free about Vyatta for a commerical WISP. Mikrotik is much much less expensive. Low Price is a major reason to use Mikrotik over Vyatta. I do not mean this as a negative comment about Vyatta, as Vyatta makes a good product and has a strong support team. Its understandable that good people tend to charge for quality support. My point here is that a Commerical ISP would be a fool to use Vyatta Free addition for any serious commercial application. There are many reasons for that. For example, having to wait 6 months for a bug fix is way to long, expecially if its a new BGP vulnerabilty that will crash your BGP within minutes. Or maybe its when you need to upgrade to the next version, and you learn that its not possible to upgrade the FREE version, unless you reload from scratch and reconfigure from scratch, which means lots and lots of long down time for core routers. I'd highly recommend that Providers use the PAID version of Vyatta, if VYatta being used for anything serious. Vyatta license is like $600-$900 per year, NOT $45 for life of next couple versions like MIkrotik offers. I'm just saying, lets keep it real Its not fair to compare a non-supported open source old version product (Vyatta) with a commercially supported product (Mikrotik). Vyatta is a premium product (based on support) and they charge accordingly. Mikrotik on the other hand is a value product. I'm not aware of any otehr product on the market that offers a more complete advanced router product for such a low price. Its insane how inexpensive Mikrotik is for what it delivers, in the router market. Many argue Vyatta Free edition is fine for a single client appliance. Maybe so. Although, a fast processor Routerboard costs under $100, and w/ Vyatta it will need more expensive PC like hardware which will far exceed teh Mikrotik License costs. So anyway you slice it Vyatta is more expensive. Where Vyatta can compete is on High capacity multi-Gig routers, but at a yearly reoccuring price. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik If you look at the two just from a cost perspective, the x86 for Vyatta is Free, RouterOS would be just $45 bucks for their license. FREE vs $45 bucks. Just saying that MT is SO cheap, I would not let that little cost to make a difference in the comparison. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik We use vyatta a great bit - if you want any advice for it - hit me up offlist. Microtik is $$$ vyatta can be - but their opensource is FREE really nice application. On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: Vyatta has a cool product line. Their open source version is free. They have a paid product that is much more full-featured. They make most of their money from their support contracts. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From:
Re: [WISPA] Off Topic Challenge (Regular Expression)
On 9/14/2010 8:57 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
I receive the following back from a web request a custom application
makes. I need some regular expressions that tear it apart into its
individual data fields. Everything between the equal lines is an
actual response sample. I need the name, number, address, city, state
and zip pulled from the entire text output - each with one regular
expression. I'm sure there is some talented people out there that can
do this in a few minutes. I figured I'd be lazy and ask before I
spent hours trial and erroring.
Thanks for your assistance and time
Vitelity Communications API. Unauthorized access prohibited. All
commands are logged along with IP and username.
x[[name=BREVARD WIRELESS
number=3212051100
address=123 WIRELESS DR
city=ROCKLEDGE
state=FL
zip=32955[[x
If it's on Linux just shell out to awk via a system call and assign each
response to a variable (probably inside an array):
char...@john:~$ cat testin2
[name=blah
number=11
address=1 a b c
char...@john:~$ cat testin2 | awk -F = '{print $2}'
blah
11
1 a b c
:)
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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page
I'll be happy to take Southern California. Not currently a WISPA member, but hope to become one very soon. I've been able to have a fairly healthy discussion with small groups of people from the public list. Jack Unger lives not too far from me. Please let me know how I can assist. Rick Harnish wrote: Here is the new webpage resource I am currently working on in my spare time. http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2867. I am still looking for additional volunteers to be a WISPA State Coordinator for the states that are blank. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page
Sorry. That was supposed to be off list. :( WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
Rick (and others wanting to be PCI compliant) Ping me off list about this. It's a somewhat complex subject and varies quite a bit. I've done a fair amount of PCI related work and would be happy to provide some guidance. While you all know I'm generally very keen to post to the list and help out, when it comes to security/PCI I'm extremely touchy, serious and specific. What I can say on list (in a generic sense that applies to all) is that 1) PCI is very prescriptive. That is it's greatest strength. It's also a pain when the auditor doesn't understand that you can use 128 or greater encryption, so using 256 bit is considered uncompliant (is that a word?) 2) Everything in it is good base line security. Most folks that post to the list seem to have a good handle on mature operational procedures. If you have Linux or Windows savyness and have followed the vendor security guidelines (IDS/IPS/AV/change default passwords/patch on a regular basis) you are a long way towards being PCI compliant. On 04/01/2010 11:21 PM, RickG wrote: Email from my brother: Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for our routers. http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347installation.html He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
On 04/01/2010 11:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: No experience just thoughts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard This is a good overview. Also the spec is freely available in PDF form from the PCI website. Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should do. The PCI standard is pretty prescriptive and covers good baseline security stuff. I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information. Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not? The standard applies to data being stored and processed. You need to encrypt the link between you and the processor for example. I can go into more detail off list if required. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Friendly reminder
Folks, Please consult a licensed electrician before making any sort of electrical modifications to your gear. WISPA is a great resource, but there are times when you need to consult a professional. Electricity is definitely one of those things. Failure to do so, could be the last thing you fail to do. Just saying. Be safe out there. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder
Josh Luthman wrote: Licensed is good. Someone you know with experience and knowledge is better. Very very true. Especially when you ask them to do a solid job. Yep. Did something happen recently? Nope. Just the recent thread on the list about switching stuff around. It seemed wrong to me, and looks like it is according to follow up posts. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. Justin Wilson wrote: I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow them to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high capacity transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk you can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if you have access to such things. I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they had access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg you could afford to up the subscriber speeds. Just my thoughts. Justin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Bret Clark wrote: Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of pricing. Thank you Bret and Mike for making my point. :) Yes there is fiber just about everywhere, but it comes down to accessibility. Then there is the finger pointing you have to deal with when there is a problem...funny...for some reason's it's never their problem initially until you prove within a shadow of a doubt it is! Hah! Yep. We build our own wireless middle mile and that actually helps us with cost control because we are responsible for the links, also we find that customers like the fact that we have zero reliance on any ILEC. Interesting. Is the purpose of the wireless middle mile to reach a carrier neutral facility? Very intriguing. I've considered doing that here in Los Angeles. Back haul to One Wilshire or something. I have friends with gear on the mountains. Hmmm Bret Mike Hammett wrote: Well yes, ATT, Sprint, Qwest, and Verizon have fiber almost everywhere. That doesn't mean they'll sell you a service that you can cost effectively use. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Chuck Bartosch wrote: In my experience, (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. Yeah good gear is a tad on the expensive side. Especially with people wanting free installs. What break down do you see of free gear with minimum contact, or buy gear up front and get refund do you see with the WISPs you work with. Or are other business models in play? If so what are they? I know there have been many threads on the list about leasing/financing. So getting good gear with excellent terms seems to come down to personal choice, more then cost. (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. Well that's no surprise. :) Perhaps some of the money could have been spent on funding lobbying for changes to access rules? If there is readily accessible fiber everywhere, (key words being readily accessible) then why does it seem to be such a problem for folks to access? As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which applications I'm familiar with. Ah... so if we had access to all the information/facts you did we would see things the same way. Hmmm sorry not buying it. There have been a substantial amount of threads on this list about middle mile issues being a huge problem. Cost/access/tower colo etc. Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIVERSIDE NEEDS YOU
Chuck Daddy Wy-Fi is in. What's the deal? Who do I have to talk to? What's the process? Chuck Profito wrote: ATT Wants to Dump Riverside Network on City One of the legacy muni-Fi networks will have new (or no) owners: Esme Vos writes at MuniWireless.com about the current state of the Riverside, Calif., network operated by ATT. The network was the first and only bid by ATT with MetroFi, which was unable to complete that network along with many others, and which shut down in 2008. In Riverside, ATT kept up much of its end of the bargain, hiring Nokia Siemens to complete the network, which Vos says only reached 77 percent of the city. (One expects there's no SkyPilot gear left in place, either, but I don't know that for sure.) The network has 20,000 daily users out of a population of about 300,000 (in 2000); the county has over 2.1 million residents. ATT wants to give the city the network at no cost, but the city is facing revenue shortfalls like the rest of the country (and most of the world). It's trying to get a federal grant. Of the networks originally built in part or whole by EarthLink, Kite, and MetroFi, only a handful remain in operation. Philadelphia recently moved to take over the remains of the network there from an interim firm that had been planning to build out a variety of access services. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Wallace wrote: Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? I strongly doubt that. The feds tend to take the law pretty seriously. Disclosure that isn't in accordance with written agreements would almost certainly be a federal offense. I'm not a lawyer, but everything I have read says that the feds are pretty compliant. This person probably is on various e-mail lists (maybe even on this one), and/or has access to various business registration databases (I presume you are registered with your city/county/state and the federal government or some combination thereof?) 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. I would contact your local FBI office. This seems quite suspicious. It could even be considered a threat. The feds really don't like it when people try to use them as an intimidation element. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Quite fraudulent. Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Absolutely. What info is this person asking for? When was it asked for? Did you record the phone number? Make sure to have all info in line before going to the FBI. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNUoAACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE+oWQCfXkzdCgZA2oRIxfxF7KicTcpC VGQAn21TY80CDVocZ4u7m2FGLOuYX0nu =UdNY -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDK wrote: I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. Sounds about right. When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. Interesting. How accessible is the conduit etc? Is the demarc at the edge, or does the phone company own anything inside? Just wondering if you can get access to the existing paths with just the HOA approval. The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the development. That's good. Is the power/phone is HOA property as well? Or a local utility company? Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and requirements are involved in stringing fiber? Most of what I have read is about right of way issues from cities. Presumably there are code requirements of some sort. Talk to guys like http://www.scte.org/ I would need to run about 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet undeveloped lots. Interesting. Would it be a loop? Passive or active? you should start a blog and keep track of what you find! :) Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of stuff? There is an organization that does a lot of the cabling standards and stuff bsci or bcsi or something. Having a hard time recalling the name right now. There is also scte. Search around for outside plant ... that is what has turned up a lot of good info for me. Of course I'm more of a hobbyist, and just intrigued by all the outside plant. :) Any input or experiences with this appreciated. Hopefully other far more experienced folks then I can share as well. :) - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNXIsACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE9ZsgCeLeHW9y1cUiW1dxuS1J7O1lJR BLkAnRMDHnkdoXCwOo6T0FY40gghvgms =Lusb -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_plant is a good starting point most likely. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNXK0ACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE+7XgCfZjvVQMs+bHyjWSRXs1fKX3RJ NxcAni51LCqToD2l8dhAl1RQvdhVmgBC =NE48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert West wrote: As a side note about all those twitter people, they should check out http://pleaserobme.com/ Heh... http://twitter.com/charlesnw/status/9481368790 :) Seriously though, twitter has an immense amount of practical uses. search.twitter.com and save results as an RSS feed is what I use the most. Now Foursquare on the other hand Tracks twitter users who post their comings and goings. I tweet a lot, and I will often post when I'm going out. However that doesn't mean the house isn't secure in other fashions. No need to case the joint as twitterers post where they are at all times leaving ample warning of them coming home so that you can rob their homes. Nice lesson to teach some people. Bob- In the coming months and years, folks who refuse to embrace the two way web will be left behind. It's taking the world by storm and enabling all sorts of new opportunities. Now with that comes some risks and those need to be mitigated. It's just like mounting access points on towers. You get substantial advantages, along with a fair amount of risk. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuHOKAACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE9/mgCgyoZfFc1G2Cg9ZCWdL68gx2m9 ntIAn0HntKpBYDeBAwhxCImgoQZbEcxS =c3r2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VPN solutions for mobility environments
Rogelio wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you provide any info on the open source solutions that you have been looking into? I have a network ops team that is well skilled on foss platforms, so the OPEX concerns aren't nearly as high for us as they might be for other organizations. I'm currently looking into it. I've got some inquiries in some other listservs and will post back what interesting things I find. Thanks. I appreciate that. We are in the process of deploying Zeroshell which uses OpenVPN. We have been happy with OpenVPN in other deployments already. Zeroshell also includes RADIUS/802.1x/OpenLDAP etc. It's a nice solution. In your case, you've got people to engineer and maintain an open source solution. Lots of other public safety places I have dealt with don't have that luxury. Yes I fully realize that, which is why I mentioned that fact in my reply. :) -- Charles N Wyble (818) 280-7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Initial 3650 research
I have done a blog post on my initial findings regarding 3650 and deploying in Southern California. It's quite long and has a number of external references. Hopefully it is of use to some of you. I will be turning out two more posts over the next week or so as well as updating this one with additional information. If anyone else out there has info on 3650 and exclusion zones, please let me know!!! :) Here is the post: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html Apologies if this is considered spam. -- Charles N Wyble (818) 280-7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Initial 3650 research
Gino Villarini wrote: Charled, your blog states that you intend to deploy 802.11y , but currently there isnt any gear available. Ubtn xr3 is 11a gear. Oh. Hmmm. Thanks for the information. I still have more research to do it seems. :) I'm re writing portions of the post in a way that I think will flow better, as well as adding some additional information. I'll post an update here when I have finished the update. I think its safe to say that a topic such as this is quite complex and will require a fair amount of page space to properly capture. We have sucesfully negotiated with the local earth station using a telecom law firm. Can you define local? What law firm did you use? Which earth station on the list was it? If it's ok with you would you mind leaving that info as a comment on my blog as well as replying here? Thanks! Charles Wyble gino -Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Initial 3650 research I have done a blog post on my initial findings regarding 3650 and deploying in Southern California. It's quite long and has a number of external references. Hopefully it is of use to some of you. I will be turning out two more posts over the next week or so as well as updating this one with additional information. If anyone else out there has info on 3650 and exclusion zones, please let me know!!! :) Here is the post: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html Apologies if this is considered spam. -- Charles N Wyble (818) 280-7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Matt Liotta wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote: Well there is a place WISPA could be useful. As an organization, go and work with the FSS owners to come up with a framework where WISPA members could more easily gain exceptions to the exclusion zones. Has anyone done this? I have been looking into the 3650 range for use in Southern California for a large scale (private) network that is currently in the design phase. I created a quick yahoo map of the base stations that I (and the sites I want to service) are within 150km of. A sparse page with a link to the map is at http://www.socalwifi.org/3650/ I plan to visit each site Saturday and gather info (pictures/contact info etc). I'll put that up on the site and change the yahoo map links to the respective info pages. I would love to work with anyone who has information or contacts regarding exclusionary zones and cooperation. Any research I do will be placed at the above URL, and I will blog about the process at http://charlesnw.blogspot.com. I'm a bit busy tomorrow with finishing the frame up of a couple other projects and delegating them to my software engineers (namely the services/software we plan to run over the network). I plan to begin research in earnest next week into 3650 / 802.11y. So while I'm not a WISP per se, I am very interested in many of the same issues that WISPs are. Charles -- Charles N Wyble (818) 280-7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners?
Rogelio wrote: Anyone here do solar installations, particularly in the central valley area of California? I'm also very interested in Solar solutions as well. I'm in the Southern California region myself. One client with a several hundred hundred radio mesh installation (over possibly 3000-ish homes) on the horizon wants to seriously look for solar solutions and partners. We are looking to deploy several hundred radios as well for a large scale private network, and want it to be resilient as possible. This includes power and back haul connectivity. Solar looks to be a good backup power option, and with the price of everything increasing perhaps a good primary option? -- Charles N Wyble (818) 280-7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] layered sec tools
Rogelio wrote: Having come from a networking / systems background, I'm putting together various security tools for wireless networks, and a quick google search shows me that you guys haven't discussed them on this list. http://www.packetfence.org/ http://freenac.net/ Hmmm. FreeNAC was a royal pain to figure out how to download. It's at http://freenac.net/en/community/downloads. Also Packetfence has some good documentation and howtos. Linux journal had one a few issues back. I wasn't aware of FreeNAC but I will definitely give it a close look for the SoCal WiFI project. Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario
Rogelio wrote: Matt Hardy wrote: I guess one question would be is it a Layer 2 or Layer 3 mesh? That would influence what options you have. Good question. Thus far, I've only played with layer 2 meshes. (MobileIP is, I believe, a layer 3 one, right?) Yes that is correct. (Layer 2 meshes, I have heard from others, are better, but I'm not exactly sure why this is the case, to be honest.) Well. It's completely transparent and application/protocol independent. Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] service layers examples and solutions
Rogelio, This is very similar to something I am putting together. See http://wiki.socalwifi.net for details. I'm in the process of deploying OpenLDAP/Kerberos/OpenVPN/FreeRADIUS. Numerous Howtos abound. I am planning on producing an end to end howto once the process is complete. I'll put it on the wiki. Charles Rogelio wrote: I'm looking at offering various service layers through wireless and was wondering if others here perhaps had any examples that they might share. Some of the ideas I'm kicking around are: basic: free, limited downloads, all p2p traffic blocked, have to reauthenticate every hour or so regular: nominal fee for more things premium: pay the most, get the most... Also, I'm looking for solutions that help tier out these service (e.g. RADIUS). Any advice in this department would be greatly apprecited. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] service layers examples and solutions
Ack! That should have been http://wiki.socalwifi.org Rogelio wrote: On 6/8/08, *Charles N Wyble* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very similar to something I am putting together. See http://wiki.socalwifi.net for details. I'm in the process of deploying OpenLDAP/Kerberos/OpenVPN/FreeRADIUS. Numerous Howtos abound. I am planning on producing an end to end howto once the process is complete. I'll put it on the wiki. I'm looking primarily for two pieces: (1) the levels themselves (and what each level gives user of that level) (2) technology that addresses the nuts and bolts of that level. In each case, I'm assuming that the business model works out. As a sort of focal point, I'm looking at something that might work in, say, an apartment building or larger office complex sort of environment. In other words, some sort of service that a building owner might consider putting some money into if he was going to cover his whole area with wireless and wanted to make sure that various users got what they paid for (or got very little for what they didn't pay for!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NASA Worldwind
I think you wanted http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ :) Cool site. Didn't know about it. I am also interested in GIS systems and using them to help plan wifi coverage etc. Charles Rogelio wrote: Has anyone here played with NASA's WorldWind? http://wiki.socalwifi.net I tried to get it going yesterday, but my video card wouldn't take it. I'm thinking that perhaps this would be a good compliment to Google Earth and MS Liv Maps for assessing wifi coverage in certain areas. (Any other Google Earth / MS Live replacements would be greatly appreciated!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
