[WISPA] VOIP solution ?
List, I got a Customer with 70 locations(retail chain) that what to implement a private VOIP system to their main office PBX, basically they want to create virtual extensions of their Main Office PBX. We have tested Asterisk in house and other low end solutions like the Sipura adapters for other projects, but we really need a tested solution for this project. Already got Cisco and 3com quoted, any other I should look at ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango Atlas Probe on Wispermapper
Anyone has a probe ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up
I need to chime in. it seems Airaya is using common AP PCBs with their own firmware, but I doubt that Firmware truly breaks 11a protocol. I have yet to see a regular 11a or 11b PCB that has custom firmware that breaks the 11a PHY MAC. I do have seem custom PCB like the Trango, WaveIP and Alvarion, that they use 11a chips but they implement their own PHY MAC but thats on custom PCB with 11a RF chips only. I doubt that Airaya can modify 11a PHY MAC on a off the shelf PCB. Anyone with more info? Input ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Thanks for the list. I've passed it on to Mike at Airaya for comment. One of MY big selling points on the Airaya gear is that it's NOT 802.11a like the others (Tranzeo, MT, StarOS, etc.) that you're likely thinking of. It uses the 802.11a CHIP to keep costs down but they've put their own firmware on the radio. I'm running these units in a rotten environment and they work better than my Trango distribution system at the same tower sites. Fewer ping losses, higher speeds etc. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Glaves To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Im not stuck in the 1950s. Im not looking for vacuum tubes and 100lb power supplies to justify my purchases. I could go to a number of other vendors and get the same 802.11a setup for $700 or less. The pictures speak volumes and it seems a fair number of the subscribers on this list got a lot of information on the product from the pictures alone. Others asked for my list and I sent it. I dont need Airaya suing me, so Ill let their hardware do the talking. I know for a fact I have cost them a number of future sales based the responses Im receiving from other members who were considering their product for future deployments. I sent you the same list of 15 or so items so you can make your own call. Here is one that I really love: https://secure.airaya.com/proddetail.asp?prod=AI108-4958-O-050 http://www.connectronics.com/airaya/index.html http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.346/it.A/id.2395/.f Notice where it says AES encryption? Its listed on every PDF and vendor page I have seen for the unit. It was a deciding factor in my selection of this unit. It will be a really great feature when it is actually implemented. You get WEP for now. Would have been nice if there was an asterisk there telling you AES Support Coming in Quarter 3 2006. Matt From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Times are changing. If you want devices with lots of chips and blinky lights you'll have to pay extra. Everything it done at the board level these days. And everyone is using the same basic chip set these days. Airaya writes their own mac level firmware for them. I have 4 links. 2 of the original version (prior to what you've got there) give me a little bit of trouble on a tough link (fresnel zone). The new radios haven't skipped a beat though. I love my Airaya radios. They've been a great value. I'm curious, you've not said why you don't like them. Is there something about the performance? Software? Setup? Gotta be something other than what's in those pics. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Glaves To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Hey Folks, Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a few folks responded that I should check out Airaya. I decided to give them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our vendors. In short, I hate them J If youre interested in why, feel free to hit me off list.. We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share with this list. I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges.
RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up
The only diff is that tranzeo are way less expensive so... it isn't that bad Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Yes, the Tranzeos are very similar on the inside. I can post / send pics if anyone is interested. Had a tower go down that demolished a TR-5a and a TR-6000. - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:59 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Looks like a dlink or netgear 5ghz ap... the tranzeos would be similar Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up That's an Atheros chipset on the PCB but what type of PCB is it? The model # in the pics looks like 8WAPD15_5A1 but Google.com doesn't turn anything up on it. Looks like a homebrew solution IMO. -Shannon - Original Message - From: Matt Glaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Hey Folks, Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a few folks responded that I should check out Airaya. I decided to give them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our vendors. In short, I hate them :-) If you're interested in why, feel free to hit me off list.. We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share with this list. I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges. http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG thanks, matt _ From: Matt Glaves Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM To: 'wireless@wispa.org' Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000 I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to know plenty of you are using it successfully - although I sure wish I could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call. Leave a message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back Anyway :-) I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on reliability and real world throughput would be great. Thanks, Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up
No picat5 ;-( got any ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry at Mutual Data Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up Hello G.Villarini, They used to be Accton pcb assemblies. Radiolan is similar( same?) equipment. Find any PICAT5's yet? Funny how they all disappeared. Barry Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 4:59:58 AM, you wrote: GV Looks like a dlink or netgear 5ghz ap... the tranzeos would be similar GV Gino A. Villarini, GV Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. GV [EMAIL PROTECTED] GV www.aeronetpr.com GV 787.273.4143 GV -Original Message- GV From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On GV Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC GV Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:49 AM GV To: WISPA General List GV Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up GV That's an Atheros chipset on the PCB but what type of GV PCB is it? The model # in the pics looks like 8WAPD15_5A1 GV but Google.com doesn't turn anything up on it. Looks like a GV homebrew solution IMO. GV -Shannon GV - Original Message - GV From: Matt Glaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] GV To: wireless@wispa.org GV Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:46 PM GV Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up GV Hey Folks, GV Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a GV few folks responded that I should check out Airaya. I decided to give GV them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our GV vendors. In short, I hate them :-) If you're interested in why, feel GV free to hit me off list.. GV We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I GV cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share GV with this list. I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges. GV http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG GV http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG GV thanks, GV matt GV _ GV From: Matt Glaves GV Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM GV To: 'wireless@wispa.org' GV Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000 GV I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying GV their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to GV building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to GV know plenty of you are using it successfully - although I sure wish I GV could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call. Leave a GV message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back Anyway :-) GV I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for very GV short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally use GV Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar GV capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on reliability GV and real world throughput would be great. GV Thanks, GV Matt GV GV GV -- GV WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org GV Subscribe/Unsubscribe: GV http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless GV Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ GV -- GV WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org GV Subscribe/Unsubscribe: GV http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless GV Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WTB: Breezecom Pi-Cat-5
Looking to buy Breezecom Pi-Cat-5 regulated POE, looking for the dual regulated outputs that are switchables between 5,9 and 12 vdc Offlist with pricing Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Stupid Trango question ?
Mike, I'll assume you wouldn't mind a thread like stupid Motorola? jeje Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Inverso Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Stupid Trango question ? Hello All: I have renamed this post as 'Stupid Trango Question rather than Stupid Trango. I'm sure you can guess why. And, there are no stupid questions. Victoria, if you are referring to the M5800S-SU-EXT or the M5830S-SU-EXT, neither can be used as a stand alone unit. There is not an internal antenna in either unit, so you must use some type of external antenna. Best regards, Michael Inverso Sales Manager, US South Region Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stupid Trango ? That really depends on which one you have. The old one's, no, the new ones, yes. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] Stupid Trango ? Can an EXT be used as a cpe only, without the dish? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
Technical guy I think Anton is more of a Rocket Scientist ... jeje Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options We are running FreeBSD boxes w/ Gigabit Ethernet NICs I don't know all the details, since I'm not the technical guy running the tests, but I believe we are using standard 1500-byte packets w/ standard MTUs, etc On a 100 Mb FastE link (benchmark) we get the following 1 Way TCP Max: 94.0 Mbps 2 Way BiDirectional TCP Max: 92.7 / 92.4 Mbps On a GiGE link, due to Linux kernal processing issues, we max out at about 400 Mbps of raw TCP throughput -Charles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options Charles Wu wrote: In an attenuated lab setup, running TCP (w/ Iperf), we see the following results with the Spectra @ the 300 Mbps data rate 1 Way TCP Max: 143 Mbps 2 Way BiDirectional TCP Max: 98.1 / 105 Mbps What TCP settings did you use to achieve the above? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] looking for 38 ghz antennas
Need a pair of 2 38 ghz antennas, DMC slip fit thanks Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
Tad less wit 2 footers about $17k Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options The Spectra would be around $20k with external antennas. A licensed product is going to be at least that, and probably $5k more. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally Less than 45Mbps licensed. Hi Matt,I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the OrthogonSpectra?-Charles---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Matt LiottaSent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options-MattBobby Burrow wrote: I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles.We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding ~25Mb per hop.Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 50Mb-100Mb per hop?Thanks,Bobby BurrowEast Texas Rural Netwww.etxrn.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
Yeah, I got tha info too, they were going to shake down the licensed market... got info that it would be before next year. Maybe q3 /q4 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options A Trango sales person mentioned to me that they were thinking about offering a licensed product. If the price is like the rest of their products that could change things quite a bit. -Matt G.Villarini wrote: Charles, Ill chime in here cause you can get a Spectra for $15 to $16k wheras a Licensed link goes from $20k and up... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally Less than 45Mbps licensed. Hi Matt, I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the Orthogon Spectra? -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options -Matt Bobby Burrow wrote: I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles. We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding ~25Mb per hop. Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 50Mb-100Mb per hop? Thanks, Bobby Burrow East Texas Rural Net www.etxrn.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] VPN and router choices
I have had good luck with Netgear FVS 318. they can establish up to 8 ipsec vpn tunnels. About $99 street... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VPN and router choices Bo, make sure that you're that you're not mis-interpreting VPN support with VPN services. Most of the $20-$100 routers will allow IPSEC (the good stuff) and PPTP to pass through the device. But, the only way I know of to get any of these to act as a VPN client or server is to upgrade to opensource firmware. For example, the WRT54GL will act as PPTP client or server and can act as an openvpn client when you use DD-WRT. See wrt54g.net for info on how to do this. But, keep in mind that this configuration voids the warranty and any support. Also, the device has 200mhz processor with 8MB RAM and 4MB flash. So, it's no powerhouse. You might look into linux boxes (to do an SSH VPN, IPSEC with FreeSwan, or OpenVPN for an SSL-based VPN), a Cisco PIX, or a SonicWall. I warn you that VPN is not an easy thing. PPTP is fairly simple (and it works with win98 clients with no 3rd party software). But, it's also proven to be insecure. VPN appliances are not cheap (probably $500-$1000 for one that can handle any sort of load). But, you might be able to use a soekris board with a linux firmware that supports some VPN technology. Those are still cute and tiny (with plenty of horsepower), but cheaper. Luck to ya, Brian Whigham Yonder Networks Bo Hamilton wrote: Hello list, Im looking at setting up some VPN's and I have looked at many routers that claim ease of use. Linksys, NetGear, D-Link and so on. I was wondering if someone could tell me what is the easiest router for setup. Also, does one have to have a VPN server( i.e Windows or Linux) or does the router take place of this for remote connections. The senario I have is one central office with 2 satalite offices that connect to central. The central office having the main VPN router. I want to have the two seperate locations seen in the network neighborhood. Would this be a router to router VPN? If so what are the easiest one's to configure. Im new to the VPN world so go easy on me. :) Thanks in advance, Bo Hamilton NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
Charles, Ill chime in here cause you can get a Spectra for $15 to $16k wheras a Licensed link goes from $20k and up... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally Less than 45Mbps licensed. Hi Matt, I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the Orthogon Spectra? -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options -Matt Bobby Burrow wrote: I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles. We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding ~25Mb per hop. Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 50Mb-100Mb per hop? Thanks, Bobby Burrow East Texas Rural Net www.etxrn.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus
What are the hardware requierements? We are trying to choose between the soft pkg or the hosted application Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus Hi, We have been running Rodopi for almost 8 years now. It works great and we have never had a problem. Travis Microserv G.Villarini wrote: Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus
Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Independent Installer Contract?
Hey List we are going to draft a Install Subcontractor Contract and we are looking for existing ones to grab some ideas Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?
I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are looking for some expert helpat a reasonable rate, Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?
Well basically, we have a Server with [EMAIL PROTECTED], 3 FXO cards for 3 POTS lines, and VOIP deskphones. We are having issues with the Asterisk not finalizing calls on the POTS lines. Call goes in, we receive call, call is finished, calling party hangs up, asterisk doesn't hang the call. It happens randomly on all 3 cards. Any takers? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list? I'm sure we can solve your problem for you, but it may be easier --and cheaper-- just to ask the question on the list. Anyway, our Asterisk support is $125/hour. -Matt G.Villarini wrote: I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are looking for some expert helpat a reasonable rate, Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now
Rick, The orthogon software upgrade pertaining to the 5.4 gzh band only applies to the Gemini 5.4 capable unit only wich is for the Euro Market, non US based gear has been certified yet for 5.4 ghz From the Orthogon release notes: 1.1 Support for the 5.4GHz Hardware Variant The Orthogon Systems OS-Gemini product range has a new frequency variant to compliment its existing 5.8GHz product range. The new 5.4GHz hardware variant operates between 5.470 to 5.725GHz (defined as the ETSI 5 GHz band B), utilising 11MHz channels widths and variable base 12MHz raster. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now Mac, As far as I know, the hardware/software has to be contention based to be allowed to use the spectrum. I would doubt if many consumer devices will be allowed to operate in this spectrum. I can tell you that Orthogon has already released the firmware upgrade for the Gemini product to be used for the 5.4 Spectrum. http://www.orthogonsystems.com/support/software.html I just sent an email to them about the release date for the Spectra upgrade. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now Marlon, Please excuse my ignorance, but is this spectrum going to be turned loose to every wireless consumer grade appliances known to man or is this going to be something that is going to be released for the WISP? I know that I am dreaming here!! Thanks, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4228 318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now Hi All, I talked to the FCC the other day. 5.4 is at the grammatical checking stage. All of the hard work is done. Should see product soon. They (the FCC) has extended the certification of the existing rules (5.4's rules also affect new 5.2 gig gear) for the current crop of 5.2 gig gear. Only till around June though. The new rules should be well in place by then. For those that haven't seen the latest from the NTIA (that's who was holding things up). http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/press/2006/5ghz_020806.htm laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WiNog
Anyone has passes for the 2 full days, with conferences, hotel stay , transportation, airfare, meals and limo ride ? Charlie... please help me out! Jeje Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] WiNog Jory Give me a call 773.326.4614 x534 and I'll try to work something out for you -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WiNog Does anyone have a source for some passes that wont cost me $395. I will only be able to attend for one day Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo
Tranzeo, 50 Mbps ? I dont think so Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Can anyone share experiences with the Tranzeo 5824F series? Looking for a BH solution that supports QoS and is upwards of 50 Mb and reliable. Ive looked at this, Ceragon and Waverider. Any insights are much appreciated. Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks
John, I hope you didn't have too much Churrasco and Vino ... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks WOW! Boggs is here! And Victoria! and Jack Unger! What happened? I went to Argentina and you guys all came to WISPA to hang out? I guess I need to run off to the other side of the planet more often. Now don't leave just cause I am back OK! :-) Welcome gang. Glad to see all of you. Scriv Roger Boggs wrote: Thanks Tom - and all others. Good to hear from all the old names/faces. I've learned more about copper cable crimpers here in the last two days than I have from any other wireLESS list I've been on in the last two years! :-) At 11:22 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote: Its always good to hear a chime in from one of the original early guys in the game, now and then. Lots of stuff happening here in WISP land. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT?
Title: Message Yeah, we are finding out this right nowway too much ice last December I skied Vail, way better Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT? East Coast Snow =( Go Rockies -- east coast is WAY too icy -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT? Hey folks, I up in Killington VT doing some skiying Who the wisp servicing the area with Trango stuff? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT?
Hey folks, I up in Killington VT doing some skiying Who the wisp servicing the area with Trango stuff? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] bandwidth
AFAIK, they are not shipping to US only international cause the FCC has not defined the DFS mechanism yet... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Motorola 5.4Ghz gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these frequencies? Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the United States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band. As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the 5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25 GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a February 2005 FCC order http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-43A1.pdf. From Joanie Wexler... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] bandwidth
You know that gear doesn't comply with fcc... and they are also selling it overpriced ... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Buy from someone that imports 5.4 moto from overseas and resells. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth AFAIK, they are not shipping to US only international cause the FCC has not defined the DFS mechanism yet... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Motorola 5.4Ghz gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these frequencies? Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the United States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band. As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the 5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25 GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a February 2005 FCC order http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-43A1.pdf. From Joanie Wexler... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/262 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik - Longest 2.4ghz Shot
Robert, care to share about this link in PR, we are a local wisp and we havnt heard of it. Were in PR are you guys shooting from ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert maier Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - Longest 2.4ghz Shot Working for another company at the time I thought we were hot when we got a 32 mile link going using cm9 802.11 karlnet software stuff this was out in Nebraska going from one center silo to two end silos all PTP, then came the 50+ link down in the caribbean still works great to this day goes from Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands mountain top to mountain top. Rob Maier JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest 2.4ghz shot using Mikrotik and SR2s or CM9s does anyone have working ? Curious JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 yagi
Canopy has an N Male, we used yagis from here: www.m2inc.com Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 yagi Looking for a 900mhz Yagi. What are good ones? Preferably less than $100 each. I'd like to order tomorrow and from someone in the midwest so I get it next day by shipping next day? Does anything fit the bill? Also, what connector does Canopy have? I don't see it on the spec sheet. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] service contract prices
Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All,I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings.They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network.I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware.I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future.My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept. Just need some help with the numbers.The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too. I believe that the contract price should be tied to cpe deployed.Too low and any repair work, device failures etc. will kill me. Too high and I'll loose the deal. What's standard in the industry? As I'll be using Trango I'll hopefully be giving them 8 to 9 megs of throughput (all sites are within 1/8th of a mile) from building to building. I'll likely only contract for 6 megs though.thanks,Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] service contract prices
1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All,I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings.They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network.I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware.I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future.My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept. Just need some help with the numbers.The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too. I believe that the contract price should be tied to cpe deployed.Too low and any repair work, device failures etc. will kill me. Too high and I'll loose the deal. What's standard in the industry? As I'll be using Trango I'll hopefully be giving them 8 to 9 megs of throughput (all sites are within 1/8th of a mile) from building to building. I'll likely only contract for 6 megs though.thanks,Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators.AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division Sometimes your right hand doesnt know what the left is doing Not the case with smaller guys like Trango, which only serve a handful of markets Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? What are they doing at the FCC?? Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me? On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I
RE: [WISPA] service contract prices
Ohh and you like Trango even tough they pulled the plug on Distis like EC ? .. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone can offer then 10megs #3 - Ease of replacements You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory solution out there you can get your hands on. JohnnyO On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All,I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings.They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network.I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware.I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units. As well as battery backup units all installation work etc. Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future.My question is, what do I charge for this? I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before. Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept. Just need some help with the numbers.The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too. I believe that the contract price should be tied to cpe deployed.Too low and any repair work, device failures etc. will kill me. Too high and I'll loose the deal. What's standard in the industry? As I'll be using Trango I'll hopefully be giving them 8 to 9 megs of throughput (all sites are within 1/8th of a mile) from building to building. I'll likely only contract for 6 megs though.thanks,Marlon
RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?
Surely they know, but there isnt much they can do when the Cell div. pulls x100 more $ than the Canopy Div. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? They know cause I've told them :-). There are issues in the 700 band too. EVERY filing has been against unlicensed. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? The Cellular Sector is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band You got to understand that MOTO is huge organization not like other Manufacturers. And The Cellular Division is pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators.AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division Sometimes your right hand doesnt know what the left is doing Not the case with smaller guys like Trango, which only serve a handful of markets Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing? What are they doing at the FCC?? Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me? On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to say nice things. But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices 1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Need coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors. Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices Why 3 APs ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices Hiya Johnny, This is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons. #1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event of a failure #2 - You can provide them up to 36meg
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
Turn off connection tracking under firewall Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme Thought I'd share my test results on NStreme. I am happy with John Tulley's (Mikrotik's) attitude, in the sense that they are constantly trying to improve their product, and listening to comments from users of their product, and attempting to make sure users are not misinformed about the features of their product. They are smart guys, that have a lot of skin in the game, and experience beyond many in this industry. I think Mikrotik is on to something, in their attempt to make a better protocol to enhance Wifi, and commend them on their guts to do so. However, with that said, I was rather disappointed with the results of NStreme in my testing. I think its still needs a lot of work. I used the same test bed I've been talking about the past few days (originally with Trango), 10 miles, -47db rssi on Mikrotik w/Range5, one radio per 532 MB, 2 ft quickfire dish. My goal was to test how Mikrotik handled packet loss, when it was thrown at it at different speeds. I used three primary tools for testing performance. Mikrotik's included Btest/bandwdith tester and Iperf TCP and IPerf UDP. I was surprised to see that Mikrotik's Built-in BTest program actually performed (on Average) pretty darn close to the results that I got with Iperf. It was hard to tell that at first because BTest is a bit jumpy with sparatic speeds, but the average reading was pretty close if an eye was kept on it. Iperf was more accurate in getting precise results. The most useful test is Iperf UDP. The reason is that Iperf will show you at what point (speed) you start to get packet loss and how much. All of Mikrotik's performance tests, leave out packet loss in their results, so you can't see the effect or choke points. In a real world enviroment, with lots of subscribers and over subscription, its likely that a link will get hammered from time to time, and nice to know what will happen from a packet loss point of view when limits are reached. But the biggest help of Iperf UDP, is to detect the MAX speed possible from the radio, and at what trade off of packet loss. The Iperf UDP speed results is what should be utilized for configuring bandwdith management tools. Tke note: That Iperf purpose is to see what point packetloss will occur, and it ALWAYS occurs with any connection which is pushed beyond its limits. no inteligence at other layers is applied to slow tranmittingto reduce packet loss. My goal was to compare Nstreme to not using NStreme. (used new version 9.12) The majority of the time the Station side, negotiated at 54 mbps, however on the AP-bride side negotiated speed could jump around from 48mbps to 6 mbps. but usually around 36 mbps (QAM16) majority of the time. I was watching the negotiated rate at the same time as testing to look for modulation change. It didn't change often. To be clear tests were done with WDS mode, and all default auto settings. Polling was turned off since a PtP link. And best fit, was tried on and off, however, that would not have much effect, as Iperf was sending consistent size packets of 1470 bytes. Often people will see better speeds and less packet loss when testing with smaller packets, but to get menaing ful results its important to test a full packet size. Mikrotik reported a Tx CCQ of 93-98% and noise floor of -101, in status of WLAN.. In Iperf you set the speed at which you want to send data to the link, and then it reports the speed transfer at and at what packet loss. I ran the tests several times for each speed, so I had a good average to consider. I was stunned by the results. Using NStreme Throughput (mbps) / Packet loss. 6M / .12% 8M / 1% - 2.4% 10M / 1.2% - 8% 12M / 4% 13M / 8.3% 15M / 21% 18M / 35% In summary, NStreme could perform well without packet loss at about up to 8mbps. Using Standard Wifi 10M / .73% 12M / .36% 13M / 1.8% 18M / 2.2% 19M and up- started to see high packet loss Without NStreme, I could push almost 18mbps at the same packet loss Nstreme's 8mbps. And at 12mbps, I got very low packet loss. So in summary, Standard Wifi doubled the throughput of NStreme. Unless there is some hidden tuning commands for NStreme, its not cutting it yet, over default Wifi. Using Mikrotiks BTest, I got about 8M (4mbps in each direction) with NStreme, and about 12M (6-7mbps one way, and 5-6mbps in the other.). Likewise I tried Iperf TCP, which produced results very similar to Mikrotik's average. Note: understand that this enviroment may have some noise considerations, tested to be around -80db with Trango. I tested the Mikrotik using 5.3Ghz, but
RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)
What redline antenna was used? A sector a panel ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) We proposed a spectrum analysis for a client. This analysis was to be performed with a hand-held spectrum analyzer at the height that the equipment was to be mounted. Our offer was rejected. However, we were asked to provide the climber for the other party's analysis. Their analysis was performed as follows: 1. Using a 'nice' spectrum analyzer a. the analyzer remained in their truck b. the antenna from a 5.8Ghz Redline system was hauled about 140' c. the original RF cable used was RG6 for 140'(duh?) d. the next 140' of RF cable used was LMR400 e. we know that we shoot directly through one of the sites surveyed with 5.8Ghz P2P link, and have 5.8 P2Mp links at two other locations surveyed f. all analysis showed no RF interference (go figure!) I'm not an RF engineer, so would someone help me to explain why there was no 5.8Ghz interference shown at these locations even though I know there to be other 5.8Ghz equipment hitting the towers tested. What is the RF cable loss at 140' of using LMR400 as described above? Also factor in about 4 connectors to adapt the RF cable from the analyzer to the antenna. Is this a valid analysis, or am I wrong to comment to this customer that I feel this analysis if flawed? Ammunition that anyone is willing to supply would be appreciated as well as advice for me to keep my mouth shut. :) - Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)
140 are 15 db loss plus 2 for the connectors.. the effective gain on the antenna would be 11 db ... run your calcs Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) Gino, It was Redline's 2' panel. - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) What redline antenna was used? A sector a panel ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) We proposed a spectrum analysis for a client. This analysis was to be performed with a hand-held spectrum analyzer at the height that the equipment was to be mounted. Our offer was rejected. However, we were asked to provide the climber for the other party's analysis. Their analysis was performed as follows: 1. Using a 'nice' spectrum analyzer a. the analyzer remained in their truck b. the antenna from a 5.8Ghz Redline system was hauled about 140' c. the original RF cable used was RG6 for 140'(duh?) d. the next 140' of RF cable used was LMR400 e. we know that we shoot directly through one of the sites surveyed with 5.8Ghz P2P link, and have 5.8 P2Mp links at two other locations surveyed f. all analysis showed no RF interference (go figure!) I'm not an RF engineer, so would someone help me to explain why there was no 5.8Ghz interference shown at these locations even though I know there to be other 5.8Ghz equipment hitting the towers tested. What is the RF cable loss at 140' of using LMR400 as described above? Also factor in about 4 connectors to adapt the RF cable from the analyzer to the antenna. Is this a valid analysis, or am I wrong to comment to this customer that I feel this analysis if flawed? Ammunition that anyone is willing to supply would be appreciated as well as advice for me to keep my mouth shut. :) - Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Generator -- What model?
Well, what's worth a Generator without a Automatic Transfer Switch ? We use this one on some POPS... its great http://cableorganizer.com/generators/generac-generators-centurion.htm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generator -- What model? Where do you get your generators? It's not like they need a ton of juice. Small ones maybe? Can they be had pretty cheap? My noc is small and requires not too much power. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] M5580 feedback and Dish mounting help
Jejeje the 60x60 cpe trango antenna! Canopy anyone? Now on a serious note, the real problem I forecast with this is on 5.3 ghz and OFDM where you cant use a dish Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] M5580 feedback and Dish mounting help The Trango M5580 is a great product and been working well from a stability perspective and price point, and glqd to have it as an option. However, there are several challenges to deal with. There are two negatives that creates a third. 1) 8 db int antenna, so 7 db less than Fox5800. 2) No longer supports RF Threshhold command. The range drops down to two miles, giving you a -74 signal, more easilly able to survive the noise using DSSS. However when upgraded to OFDM, I'm concerned about the low gain of the radio being able to survive the noise with adequate singal to noise threshold. I'm guessing the range will be more like 1 mile to have high enough signal to support the high modulations. Unless of course the dish install is used. This is where we make a savings. Using a inexpensive M5580 w/ dish apposed to Fox-D. The foxes without the dish was convenient because we could mount lower, on the side of the wall or under eves. Now we are in most cases goingto be required to mount on the roof or on the side of the house at the peak. I hate drilling down into the roof, for water proof liability reasons, but its likely that may have to start happening. What we are finding is that most of the houses we are targeting, we are finding that the peaks are taller than our 30 ft ladders can reach, and often taller than our 40 foot ladders can reach. We are also finding our underserved area, are larger homes with very steep peaked roofs, causing safety issues. We often will carry a 20 ft section of ladder with hooks, and lift it onto the peak as our method to climb. But when the edge of the roof is up 30 feeet, its scary pulling the ladder up, to lift onto the roof. Clearly a two man job, that takes care. What we are finding that we are doing instead, is we are finding a way up to the peak of the roof, and then we straddle the peak so we can safely manuver to the side edge where we mount a Pole (with M-mount and contilever mount), and have DSS dish extend over the roof line. Its can be difficult hangling down over the edge to mount the bottom cross bar to stablize the pole. So my question is, how are people optimizing this process? I know some one makes a pre-made kit in steel, for this type of mount, without needing to cut 2x4s. Whats the best place to find these mounts, and what thickness do they need to be to adequately support the Fox Dishes? I need to make the determination if we can cost effectively still mount to the side of the house easilly for these installations, or if we have to lower ourselves to Cable TV standard, and screw through the roof :-( And at what point we are better off staying with Fox5800 SUs, apposed to the timely and more costly install requirements. Any suggestions to speed this mounting process is helpful. ( at heights higher than 40 feet, for DISH mounting ) One of the guys at The Trango show had some suggestions on this, but I misplaced the info I got from him on part numbers. I was consodering upgrading to a bucket truck, but most cost effective bucket trucks wont get us up to the 45 feet peak height requirement in most cases. (walk out basements, with Step peaked roof, and multiple stories are common here and killers of the quick install) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
One thing is that Wimax wont certify gear in the 700 , 900 or other bands and the other is that Manufacturers release gear in those band with the same specs of Wimax, just without the Wimax logo... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! On that note, If I didnt hear it from 3-4 manufacturers directly, and ODM's then I would'nt believe it myself. Still doesnt change the fact that wimax sadly looked over 900mhz ( not that a wimax phy or mac would work well in 900 mhz ) - Jeff On Jan 21, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Richard Munoz wrote: AFAIK, Jeff does not promote hype, just facts. -Richard M. Not more Hypemax! Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Because in 6 months, you will be able to buy a Wimax Cpe for 200 bucks. - Jeff On Jan 18, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 1/19/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas
Use 2 Pac Wireless single pol. 3footers ? $500 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday. 2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths. The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of less than a 2 ft dish. The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain not decrease it. So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told, its in engineering now for a redesign. Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi ($350) - best value to day. Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more db. Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.) Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180) Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32 dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if you can live with Single Pol. Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless. There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value. Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it. Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter (2.5) left from Teligent and simliar companies. But yet maximizes the available DB able to get from an antenna for a link. I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid! How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it should be able to get. Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view, really sweat. It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around $450 but its only single pol now :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic antennas have been around $1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves. Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact me off list. I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet. 2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350. It would be nice if someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Nop, just regular sm's Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Are you using advanced sm's too? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Mmmm they sold the company to Motorola? ...ducking... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ? To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 13/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
I did with the Atlas PTP Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Mmm let me guess, he started with wavelan or probably lucent Orinoco ended up with Trango and / or Canopy before he sold out... for Millions! I started with Raylink... ended up with Canopy Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Charles, What equipment did you use to build up your WISP? Also what did you start with and what did you end up with? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Hi, I would recommend that you do some research on the terms dynamic range and front-end compression as it relates to your particular hardware / radio platform. Understanding those terms / concepts will give you the understanding you need to make your homebrew system work Otherwise, if you want to just plug and pray your network -- you're better off probably just buying quality name brand products that have enough built-in safeties to let one just mindlessly deploy -Charles P.S. -- although I happen to have an understanding of Rf theory, HAM stuff, and Radio engineering, when I ran my WISP, I found that in the long run, it made better business sense to subscribe to a lazy WISP plug-and-pray mentality due to the fact that I liked knowing that I could focus my core efforts on sales, marketing and customer service. From a deployment side, I could just put some stuff up and have the ability to blame all my system mishaps on my friendly manufacturer / vendor =) --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. -Matt Jason Wallace wrote: List, When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only see each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading the receiver when transmitting with this setup. -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
I bet she's a handful... I got 2 boys...5 and 1 years old... oh man and I thought wisp was thought business Jeje see you at Winog Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices Hey Charles ... long time no see ... any winog on 2006 ? Hi Gino Been Extremely Busy: http://www.winog.com/austin_2006/kaili_wu.jpg Now that she FINALLY sleeps through the night, I'm able to start actually concentrating and focusing at work again, and yes, WiNOG this year will be from March 13-15, 2006 in Austin, TX -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Since when kismet scans and shows proprietary wireless protocols ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Hays Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:11 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP I've never played around with Kismet...does it show Trango? - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP Hello Brett, But it does show up in Kismet. Barry Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:52:01 AM, you wrote: BH I still rest better at night knowing my network doesn't show BH up in every teenager's copy of Netstumbler.. BH - Original Message - BH From: Blair Davis BH To: WISPA General List BH Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43AM BH Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP BH The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held BH hostage'to the one manufacture As some of us have already BH discovered. BH And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary BH system', don't think you are 'safe'. You arenot. BH Blair BH Kurt Fankhauser wrote: BH I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a BH technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I BH think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with BH the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point BH of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was BH designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be BH using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject BH to someone doing this to you. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
With the 12K you can put 2 38 ghz links and have lots of spare change Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Agreed, but if you can do it for 2 grand why spend 12? If the ebay radios are reliable, then skip the fiber in my opinion. Might as well take the 10 grand that is left over and install another 25 subs. ;) George wrote: I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers. You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge technology deployment. It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but we all know fiber/wireless is the end game. If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader. My opinion. George John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters
Here are some 6 ports units http://cgi.ebay.com/Net-To-Net-DNE4500-6DC-Ethernet-to-DS3-T3-Converter_W0QQ itemZ5837756909QQcategoryZ86726QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:15 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters I just ordered 2 of those PCOM links. I will report how they do for us. I need some DS3 to Ethernet Converters. What is my best source on these? Thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIP Vivato
Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] VoIP - Alternativa para Redução de Cus tos em Telecomunicações
Title: VoIP - 2006 Its not Spanish its Portuguese Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] VoIP - Alternativa para Redução de Custos em Telecomunicações OOPS! I allowed this post to flow through my moderation. I dont speak Spanish (very good) so I thought it was a reply to a post. I normally would not have allowed a post like this through. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying? I buy 11 db yagis for around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging even for 900 mhz. $295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same gain, but that's obvious. Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, no crap-outs... Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices is 295 each for connectorized. Cheaper then some roll your own. A. Huppenthal wrote: I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I want to research on behalf of the list. google: motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack. I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it. I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 432631 Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50 $26,250 Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid at all costs. The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius. HOLY CRAP! Unless I am reading something wrong... http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f A. Huppenthal wrote: I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s for 1/2 the price. Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs at the *first* WISPA meeting. In fact, I'd likely talk about it at ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules (FCC and others through a louder voice). I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-) Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead. Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier. 432679 900 Mhz Access Point9000AP $1,895 427612 900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP $2,395 498606 900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna) 9000APC$1,855 487642 900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External antenna) 9001APC $2,355 432631 Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50 $26,250 452650 Bulk Pack 100 900 MHz Subscriber Modules BP9000SM-100 $47,500 459676 Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules BP9000SM-500 $222,500 460660 Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized BP9000SMC-50 $24,250 467696 Bulk Pack 100 900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized BP9000SMC-100 $43,500 483635 Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized BP9000SMC-500 $202,500 433674 900 Mhz Subscriber Module 9000SM $725 430697 900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES 9001SM $975 499667 900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External antenna) 9000SMC $685 472614 900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized (External antenna) 9001SMC $935 435698 900 Mhz 60
RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
Hey Charles ... long time no see ... any winog on 2006 ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee / margin to compensate) In the meantime, either 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge loss) 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new flavor of the month and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k worth of boat anchors -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Yeah, I still can imagine why there are some wips still homebrewing gear that ends up more expensive that wisp-engineered products on the market like canopy, trango ect... We were in a same spot with some 11b gear deployed in some areas... last august we decided to just cough up some cash and change all those subs (100+) to Canopy best money spent, never looked back Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Go get some Canopy client radios for $260 each, complete - check the performance, ease to install and setup. We did homebrew for quite a while and it has its downside as we're seeing. Just my opinion. You get a nice spectrum analyzer built-in, 2 minute setup, 2 minute test once its placed. Audible signal strength - no pc needed on the ladder. There are lots of solutions. 5.2 / 5.7 ghz Moto stuff runs thousands of subscribers. I'm not affliated with Moto/Canopy and don't ask me to sell you anything. Best wishes. Mark Nash wrote: Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.uwol.net - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Mark, Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with Compact Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I had about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] canopy
All Motorola Canopy 900 mhz integrated units are Horizontal... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy the integrated 900 units are horizontal Someone confirm this. I was under the impression all Canopy 900 integrated units were verticle also, and NOT hortizontal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking through antennas. This antenna http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 sectors? It costs $525 for 3. With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the gain. Brian G.Villarini wrote: Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are horizontal...both the ap and sm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] canopy
Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
They're in a semi nlos situation, plus lots of noise we are pulling 200 mbps Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 Hey Gino, Are you using the Spectra's in a NLOS environment? If so, what sort of obstructions are there and what kind of throughput can you get? Looking to get a pair for a link but a bit expensive if they can't deliver. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 11 October 2005 02:38 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 They only thing I haven't opened yet is my set of Orthogon Spectras ... too expensive .. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 Ahhh you've never cracked one open to see what's inside? Ask Gino, you have to take everything apart and see what makes it tick. :) George Matt Liotta wrote: That's good to know if for no other reason than to use better coax jumpers. It is really annoying that Trango uses RP-SMA connectors as opposed to N. -Matt G.Villarini wrote: That's a easy mod, I have done it myself... Trango gear has a 2 mcx jacks on the pcb ... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 09/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
Change to Motorola Canopy ! ducking ! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about 300 yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU mode. The radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a quality of 24/29. All speed enhancement features enable, and encryption turned off. Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6 mbps, and the TX was 9.1 mbps. I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP to SU) This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real throughput (for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario. Then through in longer range links, interference, hidden node (or CTS/RTS to cure), retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you know real throughput can be much less than 10 mbps. Asumming of course Turbo Mode won't be used to hog up channels. My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset, or the WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher processing speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate? For those interested My business decission question is: 1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and... 2) Trango has fixed its short range packet loss problem (which they have) 3) Trango has new low pricing on Fox-D2 CPE (dropped $100 or so) 4) Trango has better testing tools 5) Trango avoids all the problems of 802.11 standard and home brew that cost ISPs aggrevations (accept large packets 1600b, pre-assembles, consistent availabilty, security, better remote management, ARQ, etc), What reason would there be to use anything but Trango broadband, even for small community projects? 802.11 Atheros gives you... 1) Mesh designs 2) Relay radio designs, multiple antennas/links per single unit, with only a $50 cost per radio card added. 3) HotSpot, compatible with laptops built-in config. 4) Built in VLAN switch, when used with Mikrotik RB532daughter card. 5) OMNI support, when 6 sector design not needed. 6) One radio to stock, that supports ALL Freqs, for easy on the fly adaptabilty (pending antenna swap). #2 was good to reduce roof top colocation costs, by not needing to discuss the need to install two radios with a landlord for roof top approval. My recent interest, was for #4 and #5 for a small multi-building / multi-tenant complex. I reduce AP costs, by using only one AP w/ OMNI (OK for short range), apposed to Trango sector model. In a worse case scenario, where a Trango 60 degree, would cover all MTUs based on edge of complex placement, Mikrotik 802.11 would still save about $400 on the AP side. On the MTU side, I would normally pay $385 for 802.1q VLAN switch (24 port) for EACH building, apposed to $99 additional for Mikrotik RB daughter card (total of 9 ports including RB532). Many complexes have less than 8 subscribers per building. But if we use an example of a 4 building project, the savings for a VLAN switch would add up quick to around $1100, and adding simplicity with maintenance of only one device (the CPE/Router/VLAN combo) instead of two devices (VLAN switch and CPE Router). It also reduces costs for remote reboot devices, as the Mikrotik has a hardware watch dog, where as a typical VLAN switch would not. We use WDS to accomplish VLAN support. We use VLAN support for several reasons. 1) it protects end users from seeing other end users for security. 2) It allows us to more easilly centrally bandwidth manage and route via VLAN (per customer), apposed to paying attention to IPs and MACs which may have the need to change over time, or may not be known in advance. 3) Prevents customer's misconfigurations from effecting other users' links or router configs. Because the traffic doesn't cross paths, it can't conflict. The misconfigured client only gets effected. I will say, after all the time it has taken me to order, deploy, figure out how to configure, and wait for equipment stalling reocurring revenue, I'd argue I would have saved by just deploying Trango and VLAN switches to the project. Another problem, is that if VLAN is used, its no longer possible to use a Trango sector for both VLAN and non-VLAN customers at the same time, because large VLAN packets would get their would be no VLAN device on the Non-VLAN custoemrs to untag In summary... 1) If Trango would add a third external connector option to their 5830AP line, like the 900APs, it would drastically reduce the justification of home brew wifi, making it much more affordable to use Trango for these type projects. It still wouldn't fix the VLAN cost reductions,
RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
That's a easy mod, I have done it myself... Trango gear has a 2 mcx jacks on the pcb ... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 Sounds like you just want an external antenna jack on the Access5830. If so, you might consider doing something similar to what the LastMileGear guys do with the Canopy 5.7 gear. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about 300 yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU mode. The radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a quality of 24/29. All speed enhancement features enable, and encryption turned off. Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6 mbps, and the TX was 9.1 mbps. I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP to SU) This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real throughput (for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario. Then through in longer range links, interference, hidden node (or CTS/RTS to cure), retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you know real throughput can be much less than 10 mbps. Asumming of course Turbo Mode won't be used to hog up channels. My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset, or the WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher processing speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate? For those interested My business decission question is: 1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and... 2) Trango has fixed its short range packet loss problem (which they have) 3) Trango has new low pricing on Fox-D2 CPE (dropped $100 or so) 4) Trango has better testing tools 5) Trango avoids all the problems of 802.11 standard and home brew that cost ISPs aggrevations (accept large packets 1600b, pre-assembles, consistent availabilty, security, better remote management, ARQ, etc), What reason would there be to use anything but Trango broadband, even for small community projects? 802.11 Atheros gives you... 1) Mesh designs 2) Relay radio designs, multiple antennas/links per single unit, with only a $50 cost per radio card added. 3) HotSpot, compatible with laptops built-in config. 4) Built in VLAN switch, when used with Mikrotik RB532daughter card. 5) OMNI support, when 6 sector design not needed. 6) One radio to stock, that supports ALL Freqs, for easy on the fly adaptabilty (pending antenna swap). #2 was good to reduce roof top colocation costs, by not needing to discuss the need to install two radios with a landlord for roof top approval. My recent interest, was for #4 and #5 for a small multi-building / multi-tenant complex. I reduce AP costs, by using only one AP w/ OMNI (OK for short range), apposed to Trango sector model. In a worse case scenario, where a Trango 60 degree, would cover all MTUs based on edge of complex placement, Mikrotik 802.11 would still save about $400 on the AP side. On the MTU side, I would normally pay $385 for 802.1q VLAN switch (24 port) for EACH building, apposed to $99 additional for Mikrotik RB daughter card (total of 9 ports including RB532). Many complexes have less than 8 subscribers per building. But if we use an example of a 4 building project, the savings for a VLAN switch would add up quick to around $1100, and adding simplicity with maintenance of only one device (the CPE/Router/VLAN combo) instead of two devices (VLAN switch and CPE Router). It also reduces costs for remote reboot devices, as the Mikrotik has a hardware watch dog, where as a typical VLAN switch would not. We use WDS to accomplish VLAN support. We use VLAN support for several reasons. 1) it protects end users from seeing other end users for security. 2) It allows us to more easilly centrally bandwidth manage and route via VLAN (per customer), apposed to paying attention to IPs and MACs which may have the need to change over time, or may not be known in advance. 3) Prevents customer's misconfigurations from effecting other users' links or router configs. Because the traffic doesn't cross paths, it can't conflict. The misconfigured client only gets effected. I will say, after all the time it has taken me to order, deploy, figure out how to configure, and wait for equipment stalling reocurring revenue, I'd argue I would have saved by just deploying Trango and VLAN switches to the project. Another problem, is that if VLAN is used, its no longer possible to use a Trango sector for both VLAN and non-VLAN customers at the same time, because large VLAN packets would get their would be no VLAN
RE: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M
IIRC, Next web is a Axcellera shop nice price tag for a unlicensed WISP. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric DaVersa Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; isp-investor@isp-investor.com; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M Some good industry news this morning adds some substance to WISP valuations. We do work with both of these companies so theres some personal reward here. Of course that places us under confidentiality and limited in commentary. grin -Eric Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23 mln Wed Oct 5, 2005 06:56 AM ET Oct 5 (Reuters) - Covad Communications Group (DVW.A: Quote, Profile, Research) , a provider of integrated voice and data communications, on Wednesday said it agreed to acquire Internet provider NextWeb Inc. for about $23 million in cash and stock. Covad also said it would assume $1.7 million in net debt under the deal. Our acquisition of NextWeb accelerates Covad's entry into the emerging wireless broadband market, Covad Chief Executive and President Charles Hoffman said in a statement. The deal, which includes $4 million in cash and $19 million in Covad shares, is expected to close by the end of the year. Covad said a portion of its shares to be issued would be restricted from sale in the open market for a period of time. Privately held NextWeb is California's largest fixed-wireless service provider for business. Shares in Covad closed at $1.05 on Tuesday on the American Stock Exchange. (Reporting by Renu Pariyadath in Bangalore) Eric DaVersa Vice-President, Business Development NetLogix OFFICE: 858.764.1998 CELL: 858.245.6702 FAX: 858.764.1982 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M
100 customers paying $49.95, wet-11 CPE's NOT!!! :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M G.Villarini wrote: IIRC, Next web is a Axcellera shop . nice price tag for a unlicensed WISP. Gino A. Villarini, Anyone know how many subs and what the annual revenue of Next web is? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3' and larger 5.8Ghz dishes
Pac wireless Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3' and larger 5.8Ghz dishes Any leads on where to get 3' and larger 5.8Ghz dishes without having to spend thousands of dollars? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] u seen this ?
http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=36FamID=80ProdID=216 seems like a qos device Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
When I sleep, my legs are relaxed too...jeje Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is this thinking correct? It is not that the circulation is cut off. Veins (the blood vessels that move blood back to the heart) do not have the ability to move blood without the muscles around them moving. The veins in your body have valves every so often that assist in moving the blood back to the heart. The problem described in the article is not a result of blood flow being cut off. Rather, the problem described is one where the muscles in your legs are inactive, and therefore, do not force the blood back up to the heart. This results in a lowered volume of blood for available for the heart to pump. In this situation, your heart will automatically reduce the flow of blood by slowing down. As stated in the article, usually, this reduction in blood flow will result in the victim fainting, which, for someone on the ground, is a good thing, because a victim that is prone (horizontal), gravity can get the blood (at least some of it) back into the system, and the blood volume will increase. HOWEVER, since the vicitim is strapped into an upright position on a tower, this does not occur, and gravity keeps the blood in the legs. The thing to learn, for a tower climber, is that it is not a good idea to let your legs rest by hanging from your positioning gear with your legs completely inactive for extended periods. By extended here, I mean 2-4 minutes. When I climb, I will sometimes relax by allowing my legs to dangle below me for a few seconds. For me, this is not a very comfortable position, but it is nice to remove the pressure on my feet for a few seconds. I find this article especially interesting, because when I was in college, I was a pre-med student, and my love was circulatory system studies. :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] winog
Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)
Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the American way. Congrats again! George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] winog
Any info on the backhaul bash would be appreciated... who won ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mabry Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] winog WISPA: Good morning, You are missing out on some very useful information from seasoned Operators on a wide range of gear. It has been nice to hear the success stories from the Canopy and Trango operators. I have enjoyed the comparison sessions on the Backhauls and 900 MHz gear. Good advanced information from what I have seen in the WISPNOG session. There appears to be good number in attendance. There has been no shortage of FREE delicious food. Park City is beautiful. Good Job - Charles Staff. WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Best regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] winog Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
