Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

[Matt Brendle]

KPP if for nothing else it comes with better jumpers.  KPP has N connectors on 
antenna and jumper to match up to RP-SMA on Rocket.  YMMV

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 

Same radios but I had the opposite experience.  I had one at -35, maybe the RF 
armor requires both of those dumb machine screws to work.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Greg Osborn mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

UBNT to KPP straight up, kpp.  UBNT with armor vs KPP, we prefer UBNT
because of the extra horizontal separation required with KPP.  On a grainleg
platform, we've seen kpp sectors see one another at -30 or below, where UBNT
see one another in the -50's.  On a tower without standoffs and KPP, forget
it, you will have problems.

2.4 in 10mhz cw.


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Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:33 AM
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one obvious advantage with the KPP is that the connectors or all covered by
the shielding, so you eliminate any potential issues with water in the
connectors, and you can throw away that annoying cover on the Rocket over
the ethernet port.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
[wireless-boun...@wispa.org  ] on behalf of
Sam [w...@csilogan.com  ]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM
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Mathew, these are for 2. GHz Rockets.

I was wondering about the shielding as well. Unless you're in an area with a
ton of interference...  But as was mentioned, the KP omni with the shielding
is the same price basically as the same UBNT model without it. I'm all about
using stuff that's included at no additional charge :)


On 8/28/2014 10:00, Mathew Howard wrote:
> I haven't used any KPP omnis, but I have used several different brands of
dual polarity omnis and I haven't really seen any notable difference in
performance between any of them.
>
> Are you looking at 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>
> Is there really a lot of benefit to shielding the radio with an omni? it
seems somewhat pointless to me...
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
> [wireless-boun...@wispa.org  ] on
> behalf of Sam [w...@csilogan.com  ]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
>
> That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in
> performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible?
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>> I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover
>> for the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're
>> using stock Rockets with stock UBNT antennas.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  ]
>> On Behalf Of Sam
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
>>
>> I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance
>> antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their
>> experiences of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically
>> looking at 13 dBi omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector
>> antennas compare as well.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Thanks Faisal.

 

Your link was especially helpful.  I had been going by the AirMax DSCP/TOS 
mapping chart from 2012 and it seems the TOS I had set for voice is now 
considered Background.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

We are. 

 

There are number of things to check for

 

Not knowing much about your network setup 

 

Making assumption that your BH and AP's are not over loaded.

Making assumption that your MT's are not over loaded

Making assumption that your Queue mech. are not an issue...

Making assumption that there is no packet loss on the network path from 
customer to the VOIP Provider's (SIP & RTP proxy)

 

Basic fundamentals are as follows:-  (think of peeling an onion, starting from 
the core going outwards).

 

SIP Voice is two types of packets... SIP Signaling   and RTP (Real time Packets 
/ Voice or video)

Most providers will mark their outbound SIP & RTP with appropriate DSCP (qos) 
markings (feel free to google for info).

Most ATA's will mark outbound SIP & RPT with appropriate DSCP (802.1p qos) 
markings.

 

Most Wireless Radio Mfg, when they support QOS, they will respect these 
markings, and handle traffic appropriately, (unless they run into other 
issues,, e.g. high pps rates etc).

http://wiki.ubnt.com/AirMax_-_QoS_DSCP/TOS_Mappings

 

FYI, with UBNT qos handling varied with  Firmware Version...e.g. " BOLD - 
special mapping cases starting from v5.5.4 Before v5.5.4 DSCP 46 go to WME 
Video, DSCP 26 go to WME Best Effort."

 

 

--

Double Check the ATA's  QOS Packet Marking...to make sure that Default DSCP 
Marking is what you are expecting...

 

---

 

The other thing you need to check on is Jitter buffer  settings. you may 
want to enable it and set it for for something like 100 to 150, to see if it 
improves stuff.

 

-

 

FYI, the biggest problem with VOIP and Fixed Wireless, is  Packet Loss, and 
Jitter (this is more troublesome .. some packets arrive on time, other are 
delayed, and some are out of order)

 

==

 

 

Feel free to ping me off list if you need more info. or have questions.

 

Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>  

 

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From: "Matt Brendle" mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:56:33 PM
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number of 
Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.  Our 
basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and 
CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of 
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using 
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where 
the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would 
be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get 
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt – NC Wireless

 


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Correct.  I am not planning on assuming anything.  We have assumed the network 
from our NOC to the SIP servers was good in the past.  That is going to be step 
1 in my process.  I will verify good quality from there and work my way back to 
the CPE.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Matt Brendle 
mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number of 
Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.  Our 
basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and 
CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of 
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using 
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where 
the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would 
be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get 
our Support Calls down.

 

 

Besides the air side of the question, how is the network side ? How good is the 
connection from your network to the Vitelity SIP and media servers ? 

Although I would guess your issue is on the air side, good diagnosing starts by 
not assuming anything... 

 

Rubens

 

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Larry,

Thanks for the feedback.  I have a mix of ATAs deployed, but I am going to
make sure they all have the right DSCP flags set for Airmax to prioritize.
I will also take your advice on sniffing and include in my testing.  That
way I can make sure the flag isn't getting stripped off somewhere on my
network.

Anybody else with suggestions/info?  I welcome all input no matter how minor
or critical it may seem.

-Matt

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From: l...@mwtcorp.net [mailto:l...@mwtcorp.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:59 PM
To: WISPA General List; Matt Brendle
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:33 -0400
  "Matt Brendle"  wrote:
> So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the 
> number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would
expect.
> Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure 
> routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get 
> complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what 
> others are using successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure 
> to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success 
> stories and example setups that would be great.
> 

We've been doing VOIP across dsl, dedicated and wireless circuits for years.
It's a fairly simple engineering task that is very detail oriented. Jitter
is the killer. I have and am using Cisco, Force 10, Mikrotik, UBNT, Radwin
and MRV equipment. They all work but you have to look for any possible spot
where there can be congestion and plan a way through. Mikrotik's are
particularity difficult because they don't re-order packets. You make room
by throwing something else away. Like everything Mikrotik it takes some
middle to both edges thinking.

Regularly sniff your voice traffic and be sure that the dscp/tos codes are
there. Some switches/ providers will remove them. You can build an entire
network with a pristine voice channel in it to find your voip running best
effort. I have had that happen more than once.

Also remember adding bandwidth on one link can create two or more new
congestion points someplace else. details, details, details but once you get
it right it's something to behold.

> 
> 
> I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work 
> and get our Support Calls down.
> 
> 
> 
> Matt - NC Wireless
> 
> 
> 

Larry Ash
Network Administrator
Mountain West Telephone
123 W 1st St.
Casper, WY 82601
Office 307 233-8387

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Nope.  Public IP on the CPE.  CPE is set to router mode and then we are
doing DMZ to the ATA.  Customer router sits behind ATA so local QOS is being
handled by the ATA.

 

I am doing traffic shaping in the CPE, but with VoIP customers we disable
bursting.  Other than that I don't do any prioritizing.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:00 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

Is the VOIP traffic encapsulated in any way, such as EoIP, PPPoE, etc?

If so, AirMax will not be able to prioritize it correctly, assuming the
correct DSCP value is assigned to the traffic to begin with.

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> 

On 07/31/2014 11:56 AM, Matt Brendle wrote:

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number
of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.
Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers,
and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out
where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups
that would be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt - NC Wireless

 






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[WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number
of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.
Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers,
and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out
where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups
that would be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt - NC Wireless

 

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[WISPA] OID

[Matt Brendle]

So, does anybody know OID for PPS in UBNT and Mikrotik?  I have walked them but 
can’t figure out what would be PPS.

 

Matt Brendle

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Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear

[Matt Brendle]

Yep, I have used for both.  There is also another model we are trying out at 
tower sites that slides into a APC surge.  444-APC

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear

 

There's no difference between "APs" and "CPE".



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

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From: "Sam" mailto:w...@csilogan.com> >
To: wireless@wispa.org  
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:29:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear

One last question - the Wireless Beehive web page states these 
suppressors are for CPE. Have you found they work well on the tower for 
the Rockets as well?

Thanks
Sam

On 11/14/2013 08:10, Josh Luthman wrote:
> In that case I'd also go with WB.  Look at Matt's suggestion.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> I thought the same thing Josh. But our tower guys insist on additional
> surge protection. For example, they said:
>
> "We have a surge protector that we install on the Cambium (Orthogon) PTP
> radio product when the radios are mounted up the tower, but it is
> proprietary to Cambium since they have their own scheme for powering the
> radios over the Ethernet cable where standard Ethernet surge protectors
> will not work.  If the radio vendor is not following industry standard
> POE pinouts and voltage levels for the cable running up the tower,
> finding a suitable surge protector may be difficult unless they are like
> Cambium and OEM their own flavor of Surge Protector."
>
> So I was hoping to find something similar for the UBNT products...
>
> Sam
>
>
> On 11/14/2013 08:04, Josh Luthman wrote:
>  > Shielded cable and stock poe?
>  >
>  > Josh Luthman
>  > Office: 937-552-2340 
>  > Direct: 937-552-2343 
>  > 1100 Wayne St
>  > Suite 1337
>  > Troy, OH 45373
>  >
>  > On Nov 14, 2013 9:01 AM, "Sam"   
> 
>  >   
> >> wrote:
>  >
>  > What have you found to be the best surge protection for UBNT
> gear? I see
>  > where a couple of guys on one of the UBNT lists suggest a
> "Magic-Bullet"
>  > (http://magicsurge.com/catalog/) but I thought I'd ask what the
> people
>  > using this every day recommend.
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  > Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear

[Matt Brendle]

We had one site where shielded and UBNT poe didn't work.  Lost 3 CPE in a
month.  We tried a 444SS-SMT and haven't had problems since.

 

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=59

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Surge Protection for UBNT Gear

 

Shielded cable and stock poe?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 14, 2013 9:01 AM, "Sam" mailto:w...@csilogan.com>
> wrote:

What have you found to be the best surge protection for UBNT gear? I see
where a couple of guys on one of the UBNT lists suggest a "Magic-Bullet"
(http://magicsurge.com/catalog/) but I thought I'd ask what the people
using this every day recommend.

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz AP interfering with 2-way radio

[Matt Brendle]

I would try powering off the NBM2 and let them do a quick test.  First
thought would be they have something wrong with their handheld, like bad
mic, poor reception with rubber duck, etc.

 

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Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz AP interfering with 2-way radio

 

It might also be the Ethernet run causing interference.

 



On Thursday, October 31, 2013, Chris Fabien wrote:

We have a tower site where we agreed to allow a friend of the tower owner to
install a 2-way radio repeater. I believe it is using a frequency around 450
mhz. We installed their omni antenna on a 3ft stand off close to a UBNT
Nanobridge M2 radio which is pointing directly away from the omni - omni is
about 4ft behind the dish.  

 

They are complaining about loud noise/interference when using the repeater
from a handheld. From a mobile(vehicle) radio it works fine. What's the
solution to fix this? Move the antennas further apart? Their radio supplier
is suggesting that their omni should be installed at top of tower above all
our equipment. We were reserving the use of the top mast mount for future
needs, and don't want to do this. 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question

[Matt Brendle]

I just did a setup similar to this a couple days ago for a temp setup for
PGA tournament.  Even though I knew better, I forgot to turn off AirMax on
all AP-Repeaters and almost pulled my hair until I remembered it.

Matt Brendle - NCW

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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question

With just the rocket on it isn't acting as an AP?  You've got something 
misconfigured then.

Can you attach a screenshot of your MAIN Rocket tab as well as the 
WIRELESS tab?


On 10/11/12 10:02 AM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
> Not my choice on setup but his...  I'm thinking he's only going to have
> about 3 Pico's and the Rocket.
>
> Basically, I can connect to a PicoStation from my laptop.  With just the
> Rocket on, it isn't acting as an AP.
> The PicoStation's can connect to the Rocket without any issues.  So imho
> that tends to point to the Rocket.
>
> I've tried both 5.5 and 5.5.2 firmware without any luck.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question
>
> ?  What makes you think the Rocket is acting as a station?
>
> First, can you define a "few"?   The suggestion of what you want to do
> is almost certainly a bad idea and will result in poor performance unless
> you are only planning to feed the main AP with a meg or two.
>
> None-the-less.  If you insist on forging ahead with this what you need to
do
> is set the Rocket to AP-Repeater as you have done, and then input the MAC
> addresses of the PicoStations.
>
> You will then need to set the PicoStations as repeaters and put in the MAC
> address of the Rocket.
>
>
> On 10/11/12 9:46 AM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
>> My boss just picked up a Rocket M2 and a few PicoStation 2s for a free
> WiFi
>> access point situation.
>> Basically, it's going to be a star grid running WDS from the Rocket to
> each
>> Pico with AP access at each location.
>>
>> My problem is the Rocket doesn't seem to want to do AP-Repeater for some
>> reason, and is only acting as a Station.
>>
>> Any advice or has anyone run into this before.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
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