Re: [WISPA] VoIP Vendor Recommendation
s.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless> ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless> ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless> -- Joey Craig */Network/RF Engineer/* */Firenet1.Com/ <http://www.firenet1.com/>* */Phone: (662) 510-0764/* */Mobile: (662) 404-1118/* ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT
it depends on your budget and on your goal there are various around but the main question is how much you think you want to pay such a service for small and simple installations radius manager could be a solution there are also many online "cloud" solutions for MT > I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for > MT hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service. Ours > needs to be replaced > > thanks in advance > > - > Scott M Piehn > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Mimosa....anybody tested it?
Dear allm do you have any feedback about Mimosa? Regards Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] New Ubiquiti Rocket5ac PtP
Hi All I am curious to hear from you what is your feedback about the new Ubiquiti point-to-point link in noisy environments Did you already swapped old link with the new technology with the same channel width? Regards -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
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Re: [WISPA] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea
Hi Gino What's difficult in doing that? I do not see anything that is not already available Just asking to understand :) Regards Paolo Hybrid technology roams between long range shore based comms and SAT. I wonder who’s tech is behind this? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carnival-corporation-unveils-cruise-industrys-first-hybrid-wireless-network-at-sea-2014-11-03 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea
Probably: 1) where available use some wifi like thing or 2) where available use Mobile Networks (HSPDA) or other Radio Networks (e.g. LTE/WiMAX) or 3) where not available the above use Satellite For the routing part, it depends on who did the network engineering That's it Not difficultŠ just wondering what gear they are usingŠ specially for the land to sea links Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/4/14, 9:57 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi Gino What's difficult in doing that? I do not see anything that is not already available Just asking to understand :) Regards Paolo Hybrid technology roams between long range shore based comms and SAT. I wonder who¹s tech is behind this? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carnival-corporation-unveils-cruise-indu strys-first-hybrid-wireless-network-at-sea-2014-11-03 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
1) squid could solve 2) fake DNS reply (that would also break the Internet but it will speedup on your side) Regards I don't know, but I am interested in devices that could cache Windows update and Apple updates... But it HAS to be transparent to the end users. I'd be willing to dedicate hardware and disk space to this iOS and Windows update can often cause major traffic loads... And, if these updates were stored on a local server at my head end, I'd be able to unrestrict traffic to them... making updates run faster... looking better in the eyes of my clients... -- On 10/30/2014 5:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Quick question, Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two entirely different classes of products. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: It can work on networks not behind a NAT. http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Wright ch...@velociter.net mailto:ch...@velociter.net *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of these caches running. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Wright ch...@velociter.net mailto:ch...@velociter.net *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put one of these in? PC Blaze Broadband On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.lc mailto:t...@way.lc wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: So the last booth I visited at Wispa in Vegas was the Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more, but at $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as I would need to purchase 4 of them for my current locations that I serve. Are there any other solution I can look for to do similar functions that may be more cost effective? __ _I am also a little leery at the fact that I have left them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent an email from earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a concern if it takes a while to get sales support if tech support would be any different. So I was wanting some feed back from some actual users of their product or other similar products._ __ _Thanks_ _Heith_ _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ _ _ __ __ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ __ _ _ _ _Wireless mailing list_ _wirel...@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org_ _http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...
Hi Sam we have some operators in Italy using WiMAX in licensed and unlicensed. In licensed it works well, in unlicensed it woks not so well I have heard some marketing guy saying things like it works till 20 miles and it gives you a lot of bandwidth which is technically wrong but it's a good commercial white lie. the reality is it works till 20 miles OR it gives you a lot of bandwidth meaning that yes you can do 20miles but at lower efficiencies (=bandwidth) or you can have high bandwidth if you have near customers with a good signal. WiMAX does not do miracles Lately I have heard that some WISP/operators are abandoning WiMAX and moving to LTE or dual stack WiMAX/LTE because frequencies are usually technology independent and LTE seems more supported by some vendors and the new marketing magic word. The problem is that devices are really expensive so you must have some really good reason to convince the customer to buy that thing or you must be sure that the customer will never abandon you. So the WiMAX is not working in the WISP unlicensed business because if you have clean channels you can give the same service with unlicensed 5Ghz and at lower prices. Indeed for the unlicensed market there are two options: 1) the channels are empty/clean and you can do whatever you want even with a 5Ghz device 2) the channels are dirty/noisy and WiMAX does not work well there Regards Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and 5.x GHz. Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly) thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP. Thanks Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.
Roger I have experience with VoIP but no experience with US VoIP rules. Anyway, the rule is always the same: who owns the customers? If you are a RESELLER (how powerful are words!) then you resell the service, i.e. it sounds like you are not selling the service but re-selling, i.e. you are just the guy in the middle between the service provider (them) and the customer. So, RE-selling does not sound like what you want to do, i.e. the customer sign a contract with you, whatever is your provider if you are connected to them or to others. So I would say to the salesman if he is so sure that the contract that you are going to sign makes YOU a service provider and not just another of their zombie-resellers... Personally we want to be the operator who will sell the service and not the reseller who will just get revenues from the contracts. That is RESELLING somebody else (not you) providing the service, and you finding customers for them. Regards So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with freeswitch, and it works great. I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax. etc. I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911 is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better pricing and charge what I like to the customers. Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't sound right, surely it can't be that easy? Thanks, Roger ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
Hi Brett That's essentially what we got from them too. They said that this was fixed in 6.2 and later. There were two related bugs apparently. it looks like OSPF and BGP still have isses.. in the past for sure OSPF was not working very well and it looks like it has still some bugs here and there wondering if one day they will fix that code, but I already know the answer: new routeros version = new (old) bugs Paolo, We can't use BGP. While we could in therory use BGP from the edge to the next hop router, what about the hop after that? And after that? In my case, in the past I did the same and it worked to isolate some pieces of the network. It looks like with a smaller OSPG graph OSPF and BGP talk better, but not sure if it applies for your topology We can't reasonably switch over to BGP for the entire network, so there has to be a demarcation of BGP/OSPF somewhere in the network. I'd like it to be on the edge as that's the only place we need BGP running. well I have solved a lot of issues rethinking OSPF and making it simpler. For sure, who is running only BGP is having much more stability (this is what I have heard) Thankfully we haven't seen any issues yet. I've been testing 6.7 on older MIPSBE boards (RB450G, RB493G, etc). Hopefully they'll remain stable. The bugs may be related to the newer boards (CCR, 2011, etc). great to hear, I still have no real case where 6.7 is deployed in my network so no feedback on this specific configuration. Please in case let us know :) For sure 6.x is not a good candidate for my whole network, for example I see they changed openvpn in 6.x and other feature were not working well (for me!) I've thought about switching the edge to another vendor (Vyatta, or BSD), but that's a last resort and I'll only go there if necessary. I was running OpenBSD on the edge and it was working nice, but again it's the OSPF whole thing which could not be working in your case, giving you some strange issues For example with OSPF, I was seeing part of the network disappearing, route flapping etc. Why? it's the mikrotik ospf! As said, if you simplify your OSPF topology (graph) it will give you less issues I'm going to upgrade one edge router from 5.24 to 6.7 today and test it out. Let's hope I don't find any bugs. Thankfully it's a simple setup with a BGP default route + OSPF, no LCD, no MPLS, etc. Let us know :) The main question with mikrotik is why at each release they introduce new bugs or same isses of the past... hum... Describe the OSPF poisoning your referring to. The issue we see is that over time OSPF doesn't always redistribute the default route learned by BGP. It works most of the time, but it's not always reliable. Cycling the BGP peer fixes it. Here's what Mikrotik wrote back about it: Well what I have seen in the last years on mikrotik OSPF is: a) default route disappearing b) why this XYZ route is not spread across the whole network? c) why part of the network is disappearing etc... By the way: are you sure that upgrading the whole network with YOUR configuration and routers, something else will not appear on 6.X? Personally I would just solve the edge issue and keep everyhing as it is Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
Hi Brett Hi Paolo, It was pretty bad in early releases of 6, so I've stayed far from it. me too... :( (hey 6.x is still beta not stable) I've recently found a serious issue with 5.26 where the default route from BGP occasionally fails to be redistributed into OSPF, obviously causing issues for the rest of the network. hum... I am running 5.26 on powerpc (OSPF + BGP) and I never had this issue but maybe it's because I have a different configuration Just an idea: for that specific link try to use ONLY BGP (i.e. eBGP + iBGP) so that you have the full route on the second layer routers and you can use whatever you want there the only issue that I see is: and if the poisoning is arriving from te OSPF core? Again I suggest you to use iBGP it will help a lot Especially when it happens on all of our edge routers at the same time. it's often the poisoning issue of OSPF :( The solution from Mikrotik Support was to use 6.2 or greater. well I was using 6.x on my border and after some time the interfaces were disappearing, and doing strange things. I had to reboot and I do not like to reboot the edge... I've been testing 6.7 on a RB450G and so far it's been working without issues. I haven't tested BGP yet. Do you (or anyone) have any recommendations for/against using 6.7 on a MIPSBE RouterBoard (not Power PC) for BGP with a default route, and running OSPF? Nothing fancy, no filtering, etc. Any known stability issues with this basic configuration on 6.7? well I am still away from 6.x for its stability issues. On CCR 6.7 has some flapping issues with the interfaces, people report to turn on the LCD display to have better stability etc. So, maybe it's because CCR is a new product, but what I see is that 6.x is still out of control (well... the routeros in general is out of control) Another option: you could run your edge on openbsd, it works great (I used it for years). Not sure about the performances, I mean 1Gb traffic -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
I agree with you, Faisal The main problem with the CCR (see the forum) is that 6.x is still buggy and not everything runs in multicore/SMP So not sure if the CCR is TODAY the best choice for some tasks. I have tested also 6.x on some RB1200 and RB1100 and after sometime it shows some strange behaviour. The winbox looses some menus, some features are no more there (e.g. interfaces) etc I do not like to reboot my edge router I hope they will fix soon all the issues with the 6.x and CCR but today I am not sure it could go in production in my network, still waiting to see better maturity Just my 2 Euro Cents ;) Personal Opinion I believe the CCR is a greatly suited as a Tower Router or (Customer network facing Router, bridge, traffic shaping, filter rules etc) However I believe at the present x86 (i3/i5/i7) based MT are more suited for Internet Facing Edge routers (doing Multiple Full BGP Tables etc, very little to no filter rules...) Depending on Traffic load and (smaller) network design , it is quiet possible to use either one as a 'all in one' but in the long run it would be better to break out into two separate boxes. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Mikrotik with: 1) Radius integration (PPPoE could help you) 2) scripting integration (no PPPoE just fixed per IP policies) Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 tel:660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)
are already on the poles and have access to the power company secondary, we may plug in a unit along with our other devices in the box on the pole. This will allow us to deliver “hardwire” connectivity to at least half the houses on that transformer. So in a lot of cases it will be useful. __ __ 3. We do MDUs. Same rationale as #2, but equipment closets instead of poles. __ __ Yes we know all about the transformer issue. It will eliminate some potential users, but we are on a lot of poles and in a lot of closets. In some cases we can access both legs of the single phase line anyway. __ __ We can send the customer to many places both local and online to get their home unit. __ __ Here is the only rub: __ __ All the units I have tried require the two units to be “married” You can have many units on a “network” but their security requires the users to press a button to synch the with the master one. This is actually setting an AES security key And you have to press a button on the master each time you add a remote. I am calling them master and remote here, but the units are identical. I’m using the term to differentiate between the home unit and the one on the pole. Someone did tell me of a set they tried that “just worked” __ __ In most of my applications, the AES security does not matter- remember the core system is an open WiFi network anyway. I would rather users be able to use a simple, easy to obtain unit. With the newer paired units having that preset, it may knock out some flexibility. These may be what the person referenced above may have had. __ __ What I really want to see a manufacturer come out with is a manageable unit we can put as the “base”. Similar to a WiFi AP, we could do authorizing (similar to MAC authentication or like DOCSIS cable modems are remotely activated with the CMTS) of remote devices on the same line. Customer plugs in, calls up, gives address of his unit and we authorize it. If they don’t pay, they get shut off. __ __ Of course we could stock and ship units that were preset with our AES code, but it would be a nightmare keeping all that straight as well as an investment in equipment we wouldn’t want to make. __ __ As I said, there is lots of potential in Home Plug AV right now, and even more if the equipment becomes a little more flexible. I’m just putting the ideas out there. __ __ Anyone else using them or planning to use them in novel ways. __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)
Hi Ralph if you are interested in running the last mile on powerlines (because maybe you have a power company or you are doing a partnership with them) there are some vendors that could help you with the powerline modem (to put in the house) + the access part. Obviouly your problem would be to have fiber (or even wireless licensed backbone) as close as possible to the customer and have thousands of customers ready to embrace the technology ;) Paolo Hi Paolo- The long runs are what generated so much interference. The new Homeplug stuff is a lot more last mile because of it having to be on the secondary of the final transformer. I'm not at all promoting bringing the old BPL back, but am certainly interested in using it on the secondary in the applications I mentioned (marinas, MDUs, pole to home, etc). -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PPPOE with External Radius -- Routing Issue
Hi Mark, 1) if it goes out with the mikrotik IP, then probably you have some NAT rule doing it 2) remember that if you assign an IP to the pppoe client then it will go in the routing table or the PPPoE SERVER but it will not propagate unless you use a dynamic routing protocol (ospf,iBGP) or you are using the same IP address of the router (e.g. the same /24 of the router which is by itself already in the routing tables of your net) Regards Paolo We are setting up PPPOE using Mikrotik routers at our towers. We have an external radius and the plan is to have username/password authentication, radius assigned IPs, and PPP protocol from Ubiquiti client equipment to the Mikrotik router at each tower. We setup these parameters in the radius server to do this: radcheck table: Cleartext-Password password radreply table: Framed-IP-Address desired ip address Framed-IP-Netmask desired net mask MS-Primary-DNS-Server desired ip of the dns MS-Secondary-DNS-Server desired ip of the second dns Mikrotik-Rate-Limit rate limit like 1M/1M The Mikrotik router (currently version 5.21 RB750UP) has the PPPOE service running and radius authentication to our external radius server. We used http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Pppoe_with_external_radius as a starting point, but it assumes dynamically assigned IPs from a local pool not IPs assigned from the radius server. We set up our Ubiquiti client equipment as routed with PPPOE and entered the PPPOE username and the password. The Ubiquiti client equipment connects to a Ubiquiti access point that is bridged and then to a Mikrotik router at the tower. The tower then connects to backhaul radios to get back to our main tower and our core router. The good news is that this mostly works! The Ubiquiti client connects wirelessly to the access point and via PPPOE to the Mikrotik. It gets the IP address and the DNS set in radius. I know that because it shows in the Ubiquiti user interface and I see it in the Mikrotik logs. And the Mikrotik does the rate limiting beautifully. We can also browse the web through the connection. From a client user perspective it all works. But there is one big catch that we are missing. All outbound connections are using the IP of the Mikrotik router instead of the assigned IP address. So the Ubiquiti client equipment has the right IP but the connection is using network address translation through the router. We need the assigned IP to be accessible through the Mikrotik router so it shows as the IP address of the Ubiquiti client connection and so we can login to the Ubiquiti client radio from our network. Now the Ubiquiti client radio is hidden behind the Mikrotik router. What needs to be changed on the router or the radius to fix this? Thanks, Mark ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PPPOE with External Radius -- Routing Issue
@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] CCR switches?
Hi All I see that the CCR switches have been announced and they are running routeros Now I am wondering the differences between the switches and a RB2011, i.e.: 1) the CCR switch sees all ports are a unique thing and it cannot route 2) it's just a marketing strategy, the CCR switches are just the usual routers but with faster speeds 3) there are some limitations on the CCR switches etc... I am just confused. There are towers where an equivalent of a RB2011 with more ports would be nice but I am still wondering if the CCR swich is the right product Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] CCR switches?
I am talking about this (for example) CRS125-24G-1S-IN sorry for the confusion Hi All I see that the CCR switches have been announced and they are running routeros Now I am wondering the differences between the switches and a RB2011, i.e.: 1) the CCR switch sees all ports are a unique thing and it cannot route 2) it's just a marketing strategy, the CCR switches are just the usual routers but with faster speeds 3) there are some limitations on the CCR switches etc... I am just confused. There are towers where an equivalent of a RB2011 with more ports would be nice but I am still wondering if the CCR swich is the right product Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti radios failing?
Hi Jason well it looks like Ubiquiti is failing again. Our first surprise was the cable around 1-2 year ago (we had to replace something like 20 reels of cable) and now we have to replace units. As far as I know there is no mailing list to read something like yes we have a problem on these units do not install them but if you are aware please send me the right pointer. It would save us a lot of money just checking the serial numbers instaed of doing the installation twice (or 3-4-5-6 times). Now we have to monitor which unit is failing which is not, then reorganize the logistics with the customer, stay at the phone with the customer to explain that have to fix a failing unit (the custoer will think we are taking excuse for some reason) and then finally go there and HOPE that the new unit is not broken Now, I hope mikrotik will release new products and we will see if it's time to switch to mikrotik. Regards Paolo Do a little searching on the UBNT forums. There were a few batches of the AirGrid HP's that had this issue. I installed about ten of them. I then replaced 10 of them with grid/bullets and scrapped them. On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:55 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: dear all lately we are having some strange issues with some airgrids. We see that: 1) the signal on some radios is droppiing around 10dbi 2) it works in one direction but not the other (eg. tx=ok but rx not working) Is that happening to you too? Regards -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it http://www.level7.it/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ubiquiti radios failing?
dear all lately we are having some strange issues with some airgrids. We see that: 1) the signal on some radios is droppiing around 10dbi 2) it works in one direction but not the other (eg. tx=ok but rx not working) Is that happening to you too? Regards -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti radios failing?
on both sides we have ubiquiti we have various scenarios: ptp or ptmp example1: airgridm5 connected to rocketM5 access point, we saw that it went down 10db example2: airgridm5 not even connecting to the rocket (smoked radio? but it was new out of the box), on the same customers we put a mikrotik and it's working nicely example3: airgridm5 (smoked radio? but it was new out of the box) not even connecting to the rocket on the same customers we put a mikrotik and it's working nicely. Or we have only TX or RX on the airgrid example 4: point-to-point grid on one side and nanobridge on the other side. Still not RX or TX Does it sound familiar? Are these PTP, or connected to one particular AP? What type of AP? On 10/15/2013 11:54 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: dear all lately we are having some strange issues with some airgrids. We see that: 1) the signal on some radios is droppiing around 10dbi 2) it works in one direction but not the other (eg. tx=ok but rx not working) Is that happening to you too? Regards -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] SAF, Alcoma or SIAE?
Hi guys I was wondering which one you prefer in terms of: 1) user interface (for example I hate when the device must restart the whole configuation everything I modify one parameter, i.e. Ubiquiti) 2) stability 3) speed-VS-features Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Why can't I get better than 76 dbm?
not sure if this can help, we has some issues with some nanobridge. The typical symptom is that there is around 10db difference between the value of horizontal and vertical rx/tx In your case it's 5db but it's still a lot, it does not look like the perfect link setup So my advice would be to take two new brand new devices, if you are sure that the rest is ok, and do the whole process again At that distance with max power you should be around -50 or -55 so you are loosing a lot Note: instead of using 40mhz try 20Mhz and I also see that airmax is disabled. Power is max - 25 dbm Alignment was done by 3 people 1 on each tower and 1 watching the computer while communicating vis cell phone. LOS is not a problem as we can see each tower from either end. There is another set of Tranzeo 5 Pluses on the same towers. Theyare not on the same channels. NGL *From:* Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 8:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Why can't I get better than 76 dbm? Assuming you have power turned up as high as DFS allows, you should have much better signal. It is either not aimed properly, non LOS from trees, obstructions, multipath reflections, bad feedhorn, really bent dish? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:55 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: __ If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?
Hi all anybody using this switch? http://tinycontrol.eu/en/kontroler,poe-switch,168,368 Do you like it? Any feedback is appreciated Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alternatives to Ubiquiti hardware after death of the SDK program?
Hi Matt Nothing you've mentioned needs the SDK to be done. I do not agree, but it's their product and if they want to kill their business I cannot stop them. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alternatives to Ubiquiti hardware after death of the SDK program?
Hi Matt, I will do some examples: 1) autoprovisioning with our central billing 2) more intelligence for example in the firewall 2.a) limit the rate of the ping packets 2.b) auto download the list of authorized network to ssh into the device 2.c) upload new rules into the CPE to deliver new services or in case we need to fix some features 3) a simple task such as 'set this network on the ethernet interface, which is taken from the pppoe dynamic IP via this rule' does not sound so easy, we do it with mikrotik with a script We were doing it with mikrotik, they have a flexible script and API. As I noted in my previous email, ubiquiti: a) still miss IPv6 b) they do not support multiple SSID So looking at new possibilites, I guess it has a sense. Regards, Paolo Why don't you start by telling the community what exactly you can't do now that there is no SDK? Maybe it's a simple work around Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/17/13 3:54 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: Hello all, We're being forced to look at alternatives to UBNT now that they've killed off the SDK program, and I imagine some of the larger WISPs that rely on the ability to heavily customize feature-sets feel the same way. Any suggestions as to where we should be looking? Thanks, Tom S. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] free public wifi
Hi All well I will not touch the legal aspect (here in Italy it's illegal but many municipalities are doing it. Anyway, technically there are some issues to consider: 1) how the users are going to get the credentials (e.g. if you provide on screen scredential, if you send them on the mobile phone, etc.). This usually impacts your costs 2) if your billing platform has a pay as you go for the accounts. This depends on which commercial/free solution you are adopting, some platforms do not even consider that you could give it for free and they charge accordingly to the number of accounts 3) what internet you are providing to end users: are you providing the full internet or just a filtered (e.g. no p2p) internet. Are you providing just email and facebook or you want also youtube/multimedia? 4) if you provide private or public IPs to the end users. Public IPs are precious nowadays 5) the service that the users expect. If they think it's the same stuff I have at home well at home you pay 20-30$/months so for sure a free (=paid with taxes of the municipality) connection means a lower level of service (speed, etc) 6) how many CONCURRENT users you think will connect which means bandwidth and hotspot density. 7) if the price includes also the maintenance. Who is going to pay when the service is not working? who is going to fix the devices? 8) who is going to give support if the user cannot log into the internet? are you considering your support guys? 9) are you going to give 24H internet or just 1H/day internet and for how many days? 10) who is going to pay the electrical power fees? are they giving you also the power to run the devices or you have to find your own power plug? (not so silly question belive me some people think microwaves work by magic) On the business model: I would say, there are many models: 1) you want something they have (e.g. towers or places) and you trade 2) you are offering free internet for 1h and then you charge for extra hours per day 3) you want to advertise your service (e.g. fixed internet) and you do it for free So at the bottom line, consider ALL the paranoid details and then add this and that to the overall cost. The bad surprises occur if you sign a contract and then you realize it was not detailed enough to provide the service Then once you have the costs, figure out which one best fits for you and them Just my 2 Euro cents :) Paolo There are a couple of ways to do it. You can provide it either by how much bandwidth you will be providing to the installation, or by how many concurrent users you will be providing service for. If they/you choose bandwidth system, I would charge what you would charge any other commercial account for that level of service, plus something on there for the upkeep. Concurrent users I would price based on XXX Kbps per user, on the same commercial structure. Based on what they/you expect the usage to be. Thank you, Jon Turlington mailto:j...@ndemand.com ADS Manager NDemand, Inc. http://www.ndemand.com/ Phone: 713-559-9651 Fax: 713-559-9700 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Terry White *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:04 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] free public wifi I have been asked by our city to provide free public wifi in a lake/ park area. has anybody ever done this and charged the city or county to provide the service. If so how much did you charge? Terry White United Services (800) 585 - 6454 twh...@ueci.coop mailto:twh...@ueci.coop WildBlue http://www.unitedsky.net/WildBule/index.html DIRECTV http://www.unitedsky.net/DirecTV/index.html United Sky http://www.unitedsky.net/UnitedSky/index.html Your Local Satellite Professionals ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Termination of AirOS™ SDK Licensing Program
Hi Matt this is what we are doing actually due to the lack of an SDK but we are missing many features that we added to our infrastructure due to the fact that the configuration file basically does what you can do via the web interface. Unfortunately the web interface does not do enough for our needs. Regards, Paolo Why not just upload a stock configuration file??? You shouldn't need the SDK to provision your radios. On Apr 10, 2013, at 17:00, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Not sure if you received this email but it's quite annoying that we cannot modify AirOS in order to improve the user's experience What we were doing was very simple: - In routeros we can have a script in order to preconfigure the CPE for customers - In airos we had to crosscompile to preconfigure the CPE with our scripts (for example to download some rules, etc) Now Ubiquiti is closing the SDK and not providing us with any tool to give intelligence to the CPEs or any external API. Not sure where the WISP future is, but feeling that ubiquiti is not in My future :( Regards Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Termination of AirOS™ SDK Licensing Program
Not sure if you received this email but it's quite annoying that we cannot modify AirOS in order to improve the user's experience What we were doing was very simple: - In routeros we can have a script in order to preconfigure the CPE for customers - In airos we had to crosscompile to preconfigure the CPE with our scripts (for example to download some rules, etc) Now Ubiquiti is closing the SDK and not providing us with any tool to give intelligence to the CPEs or any external API. Not sure where the WISP future is, but feeling that ubiquiti is not in My future :( Regards Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
Hi Matt well, for sure the classical telco is -48V but lately I did not see any WISP product running in the 48V arena. Maybe I should check mikrotik but I do not rember any new mikrotik product running at 48V. by the way: does the ubiquiti titanium works with -48V? I see 48V and I am assuming +48 but in theory it should run also the -48, but always a good idea to ask :) Regards Paolo How does that lock out other vendors? They have started using 48 volts on all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard! Sent from my iPad On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Exactly... UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their customers... Very apple-ish... h Robert was at apple... On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Josh I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a real technical need Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum Thank you Ya...better. Different voltage though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later... Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :) Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
Hi Mike do you know any good DC-Dc isolated converter? Or maybe it could be easier to find some +24V to +48V converter Thank you Paolo It's best to get an isolated DC-DC converter to move from +48 to -48. The Titanium is 802.3af compliant, which I believe is +48v. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 6:01:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium Hi Matt well, for sure the classical telco is -48V but lately I did not see any WISP product running in the 48V arena. Maybe I should check mikrotik but I do not rember any new mikrotik product running at 48V. by the way: does the ubiquiti titanium works with -48V? I see 48V and I am assuming +48 but in theory it should run also the -48, but always a good idea to ask :) Regards Paolo How does that lock out other vendors? They have started using 48 volts on all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard! Sent from my iPad On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Exactly... UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their customers... Very apple-ish... h Robert was at apple... On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Josh I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a real technical need Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum Thank you Ya...better. Different voltage though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later... Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :) Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
Hi all I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later... Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :) Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
Hi Josh I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a real technical need Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum Thank you Ya...better. Different voltage though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later... Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :) Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
do they comply with -48V ? For example do they run with: http://www.digitalloggers.com/poe48.html Thank you The Titaniums will run on any 802.3af equipment. So I'd say they are becoming more standards-based. Now the AirFiber power is another story. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?
Hi Ralph regarding the DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager, it works with just one tariff profile. If you have multiple hotspots or things like that, it's not very flexible. Also take into account that a customized portal, it's not difficult to achieve if you store the portal (the code) on the mikrotik. But obviously the plan management would be complex if all those portals have different plan (or you have to reverse the revenues on somebody) Therefore if it's just different portals all with the same tarif plan, you can use that product just simply customizing the hotspot html code on the mikrotik, but you would have the code spread all over the routers which does not sound a good idea Paolo We have multiple hotspots, each with a customized portal. Anyone using DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager for their hotspots? How about the Gatespot system that Butch sells? (I spoke on the phone to a couple of Gatespot users already but I don’t think they used customized portals) I don’t think Mikrotik User Manager even does multiple portals, but please let me know if you are using it for that. What do you think of them? Know of any others? Ralph Brightlan.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] City teams up with local WISP to provide hotspots
Hi Jay that's the point: in most cases free=paid with my taxes So, the question is if we really need that type or market, i.e. a service that is paid with my taxes. I am not talking about essential services nor I am talking about high prices An example of an essential service to me, would be a service that helps the poor people to get a school degree or decent health And regarding the price, it's few bucks if you REALLY need it NOW and HERE. Otherwise the user con wait to be home to see if somebody posted something on facebook Therefore personally I am against any form of free=paid with my taxes. Some collegues and we offer free limited hotspot access in order to get access and more attention from potential customers. But that's MY investment not the investment of my taxes :) Just my 2 Euro cents Paolo We did free public wifi for about 10 city properties back in 2006 or so. Made some good money installing and configuring / supporting the project ; but as soon as the grant money behind it ran out , so did the free access. The city kept one hot spot out of about nine - and it's in the most illogical place (behind a city building) I think they kept it so the police dept could pull in there and do some things We had it at public ball parks, the civic center, lots of public areas. We could have offered to keep it live or move it to a paid model, but as part of the grant they were awarded they were required to purchase the equipment - so we didn't even own the SMs at the sites, just the access point they were delivered from. - Original Message - *From:* Ralph mailto:r...@brightlan.net *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:33 AM *Subject:* [WISPA Members] City teams up with local WISP to provide hotspots Just thought the group would be interested. We run this Muni WiFi and have struck a deal with the City and the downtown merchants to to provide this. http://thedecaturminute.com/2013/02/26/free-wi-fi-hotspots-coming-soon/ Brightlan (Georgia) http://brightlan.net Full WISPA member! ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Trango and 17Ghz
Hi all does trango works on 17ghz ? if so which model? Any european distributor in the list? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ubiquiti airfiber on the same tower...
Hi All I was wondering what is your experience on Airfiber. In particular my question is if the following scenario could work or not work in your opinion/experience On tower at LocationA there are two Airfiber pointing at the same direction LocationB and LocationC, more or less. On the tower at LocationA, the two airfibers are mounted at let's say 1-2 meters distance (horizontal and vertical) and 10 degrees of difference in the 2 directions LocationB and LocationC. LocationB and LocationC are two other towers both pointing at LocationA. I am wondering if at 24Ghz I could see some interference or not , in this situaitons Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Mikrotik cloudrouter..
Hi all anybody using this device for BGP and/or towers? Just wondering the stability of ROS6 and this device... I did not test any of these ones, and I am not sure that it's ready to put it into production Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Mikrotik the dude
Dear All some years ago we installed the dude. It was a very beta version and it had the side effect to clear the settings into the router. I was wondering if the never version of the dude is stable and if you are using it. Thank you in advance for any feedback you will provide me Regards Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Again on Ubiquiti NEW cables
Hi Josh I thought you were using it, and that your feedback on the new cables were positive Thank you I always hated it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 6, 2012 1:47 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi Josh thank you for the info by the way I miss the gel into the cable. If it was there I was safe now :( Regards Paolo New cable feels as good if not better than Apex or some Belden (aka super high price) cable. Shielding is just as good before. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrancesco@__level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All as we said in the list the old cables are not good, so I was wondering if you can tell me what is your feedback about the NEW UBIQUITI cables I would not like to install cables and then reinstall them again for the 3rd time... Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-__8776432 web: http://www.level7.it _ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/__mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Again on Ubiquiti NEW cables
Hi Josh sorry for the misunderstanding :) well I hated it too but now I am thinking that with the GEL now I had not to fix all the mess around the network :( Thank you! I meant the gel idea. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 6, 2012 4:56 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi Josh I thought you were using it, and that your feedback on the new cables were positive Thank you I always hated it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 6, 2012 1:47 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrancesco@__level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi Josh thank you for the info by the way I miss the gel into the cable. If it was there I was safe now :( Regards Paolo New cable feels as good if not better than Apex or some Belden (aka super high price) cable. Shielding is just as good before. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrancesco@__level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrancesco@ mailto:paolo.difrancesco@__le__vel7.it http://level7.it mailto:paolo.difrancesco@__level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All as we said in the list the old cables are not good, so I was wondering if you can tell me what is your feedback about the NEW UBIQUITI cables I would not like to install cables and then reinstall them again for the 3rd time... Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-__8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/__mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/__mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-__8776432 web: http://www.level7.it -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
[WISPA] Again on Ubiquiti NEW cables
Hi All as we said in the list the old cables are not good, so I was wondering if you can tell me what is your feedback about the NEW UBIQUITI cables I would not like to install cables and then reinstall them again for the 3rd time... Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Again on Ubiquiti NEW cables
Hi Josh thank you for the info by the way I miss the gel into the cable. If it was there I was safe now :( Regards Paolo New cable feels as good if not better than Apex or some Belden (aka super high price) cable. Shielding is just as good before. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All as we said in the list the old cables are not good, so I was wondering if you can tell me what is your feedback about the NEW UBIQUITI cables I would not like to install cables and then reinstall them again for the 3rd time... Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
Hi all any feedback (positive or negative) regarding the new TOUGHCable CARRIER ? Just for curiosity: Anybody thinking of a class action ? It's not only the value of the cable or smoked devices itself, it's also the service interruption Thank you I just saw our first failure a couple weeks ago, it was consistent with photos I've seen of other ubnt toughcable failures. The jacket has turned from the original grey color to a translucent green, and hairline cracks then develop across the diameter of the cable. Almost like the plastic has shrunk, imagine alligator skin. In this failure, the POE was soaked and the radio had a blown eth port. Complete new install for the customer, except the roof tripod. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: Steve do you know specifically what failed yet? Did random holes just appear in the sheath? Is yours the black or green? I'm worried because we've been recommending this shielded cable to all our customers esp. in lighting-prone areas like OK. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? I had my fist 3 cable failures this week. Blown radios and POE's. I know that I don't get any credit for labor but I also don't want any new cable that will fail in a year. I think I will just have them replace the radios and go one with Life. Not sure how I would ever get rid of 10 boxes of new UBNT cable. I would put it out. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:40 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? Yes. As stated the green stuff is crap. Ive got boxes of radios with dead ethernet ports. Forget new cable, I want my radios fixed! We used the cable in short runs 15ft, and are finding more and more places it was used as those sites fail. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All, it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface. It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same site, now I have another cable failing on a second site... Any comment? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
Hi Rick first of all thank you for taking care of the issue. I will try to contact Ubiquiti in order to see what they can do for me Thanks to all WISPA members for the info :) I just heard about these problems last week at WISPAPALOOZA from Matt Villarreal. It sounds like a serious issue and one that should be addressed by the manufacturer. While Ubiquiti is a great partner for WISPA and the industry, they do need to take responsibility for products developed and pushed to market without proper testing. I am BCC copying Ben Moore to see what they intend to do about this problem. It will be interesting to know how many reels of this defective cable were sold, whether the defective coating has been corrected and whether replacement cable will be shipped. It would be the best interest of everyone if class action can be avoided. Let’s come to the table and come to a satisfactory conclusion for all. I will await Ben and Ubiquiti’s response before taking any further steps. */Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way__/* Respectfully,** ** *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? Hi all any feedback (positive or negative) regarding the new TOUGHCable CARRIER ? Just for curiosity: Anybody thinking of a class action ? It's not only the value of the cable or smoked devices itself, it's also the service interruption Thank you I just saw our first failure a couple weeks ago, it was consistent with photos I've seen of other ubnt toughcable failures. The jacket has turned from the original grey color to a translucent green, and hairline cracks then develop across the diameter of the cable. Almost like the plastic has shrunk, imagine alligator skin. In this failure, the POE was soaked and the radio had a blown eth port. Complete new install for the customer, except the roof tripod. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com mailto:tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: Steve do you know specifically what failed yet? Did random holes just appear in the sheath? Is yours the black or green? I'm worried because we've been recommending this shielded cable to all our customers esp. in lighting-prone areas like OK. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? I had my fist 3 cable failures this week. Blown radios and POE's. I know that I don't get any credit for labor but I also don't want any new cable that will fail in a year. I think I will just have them replace the radios and go one with Life. Not sure how I would ever get rid of 10 boxes of new UBNT cable. I would put it out. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:40 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? Yes. As stated the green stuff is crap. Ive got boxes of radios with dead ethernet ports. Forget new cable, I want my radios fixed! We used the cable in short runs 15ft, and are finding more and more places it was used as those sites fail. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All, it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface. It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same site, now I have another cable failing on a second site... Any comment? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing
Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
Hi Tom yes I am talking about the outdoor shielded cable the connectors are the ubiquiti one but it seems that the cables are taking water from some hole in the cable or something like that Thanks to all for the answers Are you talking about their outdoor shielded cable? If so, we've been seeing some fabrication / connector mechanical stability problems at our end. Haven't had them out long enough to see what you're seeing. Is the vinyl jacket failing or do you know what the exact problem is? What RJ-45 connectors are you using? Tom S. On 11/1/2012 4:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi All, it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface. It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same site, now I have another cable failing on a second site... Any comment? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
Hi Josh yes we used the green cables then we noticed it changed to a new color I will try to contact ubiquiti, but the cables are installed around the places so I really don't know how to remember if they are green or whatever they are By the way, it's quite annoying that we get the devices burned by these damn cables Thank you The green level 1 and 2 stuff is junk. Get a receipt and they'll ship you their new cable. The labor is all at a loss :( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 1, 2012 7:52 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All, it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface. It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same site, now I have another cable failing on a second site... Any comment? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
Hi All, it seems that lately the Ubiquiti cables that we installed some time ago, are filling with water and burning the ethernet interface. It happened with one cable on one site, then another cable on the same site, now I have another cable failing on a second site... Any comment? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
Hi Cameron and All thank you for the hint.. What about worldpay? By the way I am not sure if the PCI-DSS certification would be a way to go or better to stay without it till the volume/month will be more than 10K/month. Comments in this last statement? Square is convenient, but expensive as far as those things go. And I'd bet if you used it with a Euro based system, it would cost even more for the conversion if it would even work. You might be better off negotiating a deal with IP Pay or Pro Pay, or even Authorize. Cameron On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Not sure if this works in Europe. https://squareup.com/ On 10/17/2012 07:55 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi Mike I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I guess they gave up :( Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly with them... Thanky ou I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal? Hi Chuck first of all thank you for your considerations. Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to start with the process they were telling me why do you want this? your volumes are so low, stay with paypal... But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg problem... At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of issues... Thank you Paolo: In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all. Google Checkout might be the best alternative. I used to use AlertPay as well, but it got bought out by Payza. Then there's moneybookers that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill. Here's one thing I came to realize. If you are willing to pay the $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a full blown merchant account. They are almost as easy to get accepted as Paypal without the hassles. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All I am looking for a new paypal like system for European merchants. The ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway. I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I wanted to see if there could be an alternative Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax :+39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza:(+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web:http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto
[WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
Hi All I am looking for a new paypal like system for European merchants. The ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway. I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I wanted to see if there could be an alternative Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
Hi Chuck first of all thank you for your considerations. Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to start with the process they were telling me why do you want this? your volumes are so low, stay with paypal... But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg problem... At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of issues... Thank you Paolo: In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all. Google Checkout might be the best alternative. I used to use AlertPay as well, but it got bought out by Payza. Then there's moneybookers that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill. Here's one thing I came to realize. If you are willing to pay the $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a full blown merchant account. They are almost as easy to get accepted as Paypal without the hassles. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All I am looking for a new paypal like system for European merchants. The ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway. I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I wanted to see if there could be an alternative Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
Hi Mike I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I guess they gave up :( Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly with them... Thanky ou I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal? Hi Chuck first of all thank you for your considerations. Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to start with the process they were telling me why do you want this? your volumes are so low, stay with paypal... But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg problem... At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of issues... Thank you Paolo: In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all. Google Checkout might be the best alternative. I used to use AlertPay as well, but it got bought out by Payza. Then there's moneybookers that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill. Here's one thing I came to realize. If you are willing to pay the $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a full blown merchant account. They are almost as easy to get accepted as Paypal without the hassles. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi All I am looking for a new paypal like system for European merchants. The ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway. I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I wanted to see if there could be an alternative Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] which one is better for short links?
short (for me) is less than 10km How short of a link are you looking at? Run the numbers first, bigger doesn't always mean better and you might find yourself having to turn down the radios so you're not screaming at each other. On 09/23/2012 11:43 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/23/2012 06:17 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Hi All, I have noticed that lately many collegues are using Ubiquiti Nanobridge M5 (the one with small parabolic dish) and the product is nice for the signal (more or less). Unfortunately, I do not see in the *same price range*, the same product from Mikrotik. The only thing that I see is SEXTANT 5HnD which is declared to be 18dBi (much less that the 23dBi DECLARED by Ubiquiti) Antenna gain is almost entirely a function of size; with a dish, it's pretty straightforward. The NM5 has 326 and 400 mm dish versions, for 22 and 25 dB nominal gain. The Sextant is 250 mm; the SXT is 140 mm. Smaller dishes means less directivity and lower gain, but also less wind load and visibility. Neither one is better in that regard; they're just different. And they tend to price out a bit better than buying a radio and dish separately, but not by much. What I do not like of Ubiquiti is that compared to mikrotik it has much less features, for example no mac-ping/mac-telnet or multiple SSID (ok you can have multiple SSID if you use the CLI and the linux command line and maybe it will be implemented in the future) Therefore, I really wonder if those 18 vs 23 are real or just what you think from your field experience. Those features are just software and have nothing to do with the gain of the antenna. It's like comparing horsepower of a car's engine with the comfort of the seats. Personally I don't think the radio unit itself should do more than pass along Ethernet frames transparently, and respond to management, but since everybody's working from a Linux kernel and that already has lots of other capabilities, people expect their radios to also be routers. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ubiquiti next product.... another router?
Hi all I see that Ubiquiti is launching a new product, a router. Well, personally, I do not think that it's a good idea, hard market and I really do not see a real reason why I should buy the Ubiquiti router instead of other well knows products From my perspective the value or a core/edge router is not only in the number of packets, it's more into the number of bugs and instabilities. A new product has less or more bugs/instabilities than others working since years in my network? I am not sure that I want to restart thinking new workarounds for a new brand. Comments? -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?
Hi Jack you are right about the two points, but also it's not a problem of education but sometimes honesty and trustness I will do an example: I turned on some graphs for a customer who was complaining all the time about speed. The issue was that his upload was always full and therefore that was limiting the user experience So I explained that and he did not want to believe. So I turned on some graphs to show that the bandwidth was there, and the issue was him not using it in the right way. After some time, he was looking at the graphs all the time and complaining everytime the graph (average on 5mins) were under the maximum value (i.e. if the offer was 6Mbit the graph had to be always 6mbit, whatever server he was using). So after all the calls for the my internet is not going at full speed I said ok you know what, I am turning off that feature unless you pay us an extra fee. I was tired of spending my time for no money at the phone with a customer who does not understand 5 min AVERAGE. Moreoever he was saying it's not full speed, I will not pay the bills So after turning the graphs off he was complaining that I was hiding some nasty thing because he had no more graphs. So the lessons that I lernt were: 1) trustness: users tend to NOT believe us, even if you give them an accurate, bullet proof explanation. They are not engineers and they simpply say I did not understand but if I pay for 6Mega I want 6Mega, because with the other WISP I am sure it will go ALWAYS at full speed (that is the big lie of telecommunication, but who cares...) 2) education: you can spend as much time as you want explaining numbers to them but they will keep only the part they like most of those explanations and use those parts against you (to pay less, to complain, to waste your time, etc.). I am not saying we will stop trying to be polite and explicative with our users, I am just saying that it's an hard path even if you explain with full honesty why or what Just my 2 Euro cents Two points - 1. Customer education. I think it's the job of each WISP to educate their customers that the Internet is a huge network with multiple hops needed to get anywhere. Yes; I know it seems stupid to us to have to do this but much of the public is just not aware so we need to help them understand. 2. Local and Beyond Local Testing - As part of our customer education, we need to set up a local (at our NOC) speed test and a beyond our NOC speed test link. That way, we can train the customer to a) check approx. throughput to our NOC, and b) check approx. throughput beyond our NOC. jack On 8/21/2012 12:22 PM, Bret Clark wrote: We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for. We use QoS to control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios of 3:1. Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate (not in our favor)...but of course customers take the results as gospel. AAA! It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads. Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing? Thanks, Bret ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033jun...@ask-wi.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?
that is a common situation, but another one is: Sir, you had to have some virus or p2p application... no, you changed something now it's working well, so you are not telling me all the truth, it's working good now only because I called to complain... We did nothing but they keep not believe us. Sometimes I feel that the more you tell the truth the more they will not believe you Maybe I could have better success with yes, you are right we catch all the packets coming from complaining users and we give them higher priority by hand, so the more you call us the faster you go... hum... unfortunately they do not pay us to spend time at the phone or that could be a good approach :) For us this is the biggest one. I will have customer call, speedtest says 384K. Look at the radio and we are pushing 2.04M in on a 2M connection. Ask your kids to turn off all their devices and try again. Oh, wow, I am getting the full 2M now. What did you change? Then the long explanation about shared bandwidth on their connection. Has to be the same for businesses, though it is kind of hard to have all the other kids turn off their computers. On 8/21/2012 3:33 PM, Larry Weidig wrote: Bret: We have found that the tests are “fairly” accurate (well speedtest.net anyhow), *_BUT_* only in controlled environments. Your end user is probably running these tests when their Internet is “slow”. Viola look I am right it is slow, xyz speed test says so! What he does not realize is that Johnny intern in the warehouse has set his computer up to grab torrents for him while he picks stock and then just dumps the off to flash before heading out. Ok, that is just one example, but all sorts of other traffic can come into play. We tell our customers that we are not at all interested in speed tests unless we have a support person on the line watching their link for other types of traffic as well during the test. We also host their speedtest.net mini (free) on own of our own servers so that we can eliminate any Internet oddness causing problems with the results. The mini however only seems accurate up to about 25-30 Mbps in our experience at which point the results are only ballpark at best. Ookla claims mini is good until about 50 Mbps, but that has not been our experience. Just what we have experienced with speedtest results. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bret Clark *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless? We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for. We use QoS to control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios of 3:1. Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate (not in our favor)...but of course customers take the results as gospel. AAA! It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads. Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing? Thanks, Bret ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5212 - Release Date: 08/20/12 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...
It's interesting that the stock tanked after they basically met or exceeded street expectations. Hi Greg in some cases, not saying this is the case, it can happen that the more success has a product the faster the company will be out of the market. This can happen in situations where the company has a product that is destroying the market for everybody, itself too. So if a market killer (i.e. a product/service that kills the market) has an unexpected success it can also mean the end of the company. I will do an example: let's say that for the nature of the market, the number of sold items will be 1 million. All companies are selling at 100$ then one company steps in and sells at 10$. The market goes from 100millions to 10 millions so basically if your company can survive with only 10 millions this year that will mean it's nice, but what about next year? If the product is very good and there is no new cool feature next year in the next product, nobody will buy it and next year the market will be around zero. No margin to survive next year in this market Well I hope that is not the case for UBNT let's wait and see :) just my 2 Euro cents Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] [OFFTOPIC?] ASI (video) to IP and vice versa
Hi All, I know it could be off topic, but I was wondering if you are using ASI over IP (for the broadcasters) and what you are using Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] EOIP/GRE Performance
* Nick Olsenn...@flhsi.com wrote: [snip] The cable connections are normally 50Mb/s down, 5Mb/s up. If I run a bandwidth test inside the tunnel, I can only get 25-30Mb/s down. Outside the tunnel, It does the full 50Mb/s. This is the same for every cable connection we have. They are all terminating back to a RB493G in our rack sitting on GigE. I can even run multiple bandwidth tests to all of the locations and get an aggregate of200Mb/s but no more then 25-30 to any single endpoint. And ideas? Does the latency increase on your throughput tests inside the tunnel? Are you considering fragmentation/MTU issues? I would vote for the fragmentation/MTU -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Cable companies agree to nationwide Wi-Fi roaming deal, , Read more: Cable companies agree to nationwide Wi-Fi roaming deal - FierceWireless http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/cable-companies
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/cable-companies-agree-nationwide-wi-fi-roaming-deal/2012-05-21?utm_medium=rssutm_source=rss anybody can comment on this? is it real 2.4Ghz or some form of licensed-picocell ? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE and home router question
using pppoe in production since years (mikrotik/airos) no problem if well configured One issue we had some years ago with airos but the bug is gone in the last versions are you sure it's a pppoe issue and not something else, like link or other things? Regards Paolo We have recently started switching over to PPPoE on our network and are having a devil of a time with home routers disconnecting and reconnecting. Have any of you using PPPoE found any particular router that works best on your wireless network? Phil ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Email server for ISP
why Zimbra? The reason why I Asked is that it looks more like an enterprise environment more than an ISP product (I hope I expressed the concept) The point is that maybe it's too difficult to use for an average user who only wants to download the emails. Question: does it have any API to be controlled by external softwares? Comments are welcome! I am moving all of my boxes to Zimbra. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/8/2012 11:18 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All I am wondering what you are using to give email boxes to customers. In particular: 1) POP3/IMAP/SMTP, etc 2) spam/virus filtering 3) APIs so that it's possible to automate the processes (e.g. email box creation) 4) web interface Any suggestion is welcome WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Remore relay (or similar)
Dear All I am looking for some device to remotely reboot some device. The requested features are: 1) din mountable 2) ethernet aware 3) inputs to measure AC and DC (so that you can know if power is there or not) 4) high temperature range (e.g. -10C, +50C) 5) ability to put some labels on the interface (so that you can put the label do not reset this or routerA etc on the web interface and you know what you are doing) 6) autoping 7) remotely reset via a mobile phone call (sim card) or text messages from a list of phone numbers (the list can be updated via web interface, or any available interface) Suggestions are welcome :) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Email server for ISP
Dear All I am wondering what you are using to give email boxes to customers. In particular: 1) POP3/IMAP/SMTP, etc 2) spam/virus filtering 3) APIs so that it's possible to automate the processes (e.g. email box creation) 4) web interface Any suggestion is welcome -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Modus Mail - any feedback?
Hi all do you have any good/bad experience with this product? I am quite curious to hear your feedback about it. thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How to control your mikrotik zombies ;)
Hi all I need to do update some parameters into the customer CPEs and it would be boring to do it for hundreds of them. Therefore I was wondering what is the best way to write a script to tell to a linux box to log into the cpe and do the following: 1) read some firewall parameters 2) add some firewall parameters 3) check the configuration etc I have the IPs and passwords, I jut find it boring to do it by hand. About the API, the CPEs are different versions of mikrotik so I don't know if it's a good idea to start thinking about the API. Any example Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA
Dear All I am not from USA and I am very curious about free wifi access in the metro area in USA. I was wondering: 1) is there any metro free wifi access (NY, LA, etc) 2) I know some time ago some private effort has been done (I guess by google) but I also remember that those networks miserably failed 3) would anybody of you complain (as member of your local community) if your local municipality would offer wifi free using your taxes? And would you complain as WISP if they would use your taxes to give wifi for free? 4) do you see any business in giving 1 hour (or time limited) wifi for free to users in order to push them to buy more hours? What is the average amount in terms of hours per day of your customers on the hotspots? Any information is really appreciated -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA
Hi Josh thank you for your nice reply. :) I hope that also other WISPs will express an opinion about this topic. Regards, Paolo 1) Typically cities try, get bids and the company drops the idea. It doesn't offer a good return on investment. 2) Yep, many many times 3) I would. I'd lose customers and I'm paying for it to happen! 4) There are several success stories involving this, I don't have one myself Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Dear All I am not from USA and I am very curious about free wifi access in the metro area in USA. I was wondering: 1) is there any metro free wifi access (NY, LA, etc) 2) I know some time ago some private effort has been done (I guess by google) but I also remember that those networks miserably failed 3) would anybody of you complain (as member of your local community) if your local municipality would offer wifi free using your taxes? And would you complain as WISP if they would use your taxes to give wifi for free? 4) do you see any business in giving 1 hour (or time limited) wifi for free to users in order to push them to buy more hours? What is the average amount in terms of hours per day of your customers on the hotspots? Any information is really appreciated -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Rocket M5 Throughput
Hi Travis what should be the expected throughput in your opinion? Turn AirMax on. Travis On 10/24/2011 1:36 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What is the best real TCP throughput up/down anyone is getting on a PtP ubnt connection? We have two rocket M5 approx 1.5 mi, CCQ 97-98%, 40mhz channel width, airmax off. Displayed TX/RX rate is 270/270. Real TCP throughput via iperf radio to radio is 40-45mbps. Are there some config changes needed perhaps? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Rocket M5 Throughput
secondary lobe? did you try to calculate the expected signal? Ok tried 20mhz, throughput drops about 10mbps to about 30mbps. My signal is at least 20db better than noise (signal -59 noise -85+). ACK is set auto with distance of 2 miles (actual distance is approx 1.5mi). cable not an issue. any thoughts? *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom DeReggi *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 3:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT Rocket M5 Throughput You probably either have 1) noisy channels, 2) incorrect ACK distances, 3) not optimal firmware version, 4) Or some third party factor effecting testing, such as testing devices that cant generate that much traffic or buffer sizes of routers. The first thing to try is switch down to 20mhz channel and see if the speed tests stays the same or higher, or if it drops proportionally. I bet the 20Mhz channel will perform better. Dont rely on CCQ on its own. Its one indicator, but does not mean you have a clean channel for sure. Also remember, the Eth port is limited to 100mb, and if there is cable quality issues such as due to distance, it could autoadjust to half duplex. Test laptop to PC, isolating RF path, just for grins. It is very rare to find 40Mhz of clean spectrum for Dual polarity, and even the slightest packet loss and delay can drastically reduce TCP throughput. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:*Patrick D. Nix, Jr mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Monday, October 24, 2011 3:50 PM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] UBNT Rocket M5 Throughput Problem is when I turn airmax on the speed really goes in the toilet. Best I can get is about 20mbps. According to ubiquiti airmax needs to be off up to 15km links, anything over that airmax needs to be on. Do you have good success with short airmax ptp links? *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 2:45 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT Rocket M5 Throughput Turn AirMax on. Travis On 10/24/2011 1:36 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What is the best real TCP throughput up/down anyone is getting on a PtP ubnt connection? We have two rocket M5 approx 1.5 mi, CCQ 97-98%, 40mhz channel width, airmax off. Displayed TX/RX rate is 270/270. Real TCP throughput via iperf radio to radio is 40-45mbps. Are there some config changes needed perhaps? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rack Mount POE Injector
one of the major issues is that 99% of poe switches are not thought for the wireless site they are more for the datacenter, therefore they do not consider the temperature as an issue or they are fan-based. Technically speaking the best would be a managed PoE industrial switch operating at 24V output, but that costs a huge amount of money, unfortunately. Regards We have had a couple of converters go out on us too... There was thread on the Forums, something like ..'they have taken feedback from the field and redesigned them...for better life'... There is no easy answer.. POE switches are easier to manage.. but reliability is also needed. FWIW, Shireeninc , has POE converters which are more reliable, a bit more expensive though..! http://www.shireeninc.com/cat5-power-extractor-module/ Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 10/10/2011 3:16 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: We have been having issues with the ubiquiti converters failing and even killing radios. On 09/15/2011 04:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: U can try something like this... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1U-Rack-Mount-Passive-Power-Inserter-POE-16-Port-/150645886056?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item231331cc68#ht_500wt_1314 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1U-Rack-Mount-Passive-Power-Inserter-POE-16-Port-/150645886056?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item231331cc68#ht_500wt_1314 Ourselves, for something with that many ports, etc we would opt for a standard 802.3af POE switch, and use the Ubiquity 802.3af to passive POE converters. Allows for more granular management, remote power reboot, traffic management etc etc. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/15/2011 6:38 PM, Matt wrote: Looking for a rack mount POE injector that supports Ubiquiti at 24 volts. Anyone know of anything? Would like around 16 ports. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?
Hi so if I correctly understand, your feedback regarding stabiliyt and support is very positive but it needs some personalization. right? We use it. While there are some modifications necessary to make it work really well, but the stability of the software and the responsiveness of the support is what makes all the difference for us. Marty Howard LiteWire Support http://www.LiteWire.net *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Paolo Di Francesco *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2011 3:02 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing? Dear All just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS... anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ma...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260992domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=379279007domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-address=1rID=242260992aID=379279007domain=litewire.net this sender from my allow list /You received this message because the sender is on your allow list./ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!
@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza! Hi All, We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees. If you want to go, sign up now! If you miss it, you won't be able to say that you were there! :-) Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Sales Manager, ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3935 - Release Date: 10/03/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 2012.0.1809 / Virus Database: 2085/4537 - Release Date: 10/04/11 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3937 - Release Date: 10/04/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?
Dear All just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS... anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
Hi Ed I was looking also for something that sends one report email in case of failure when multiple nodes are down. If 50 nodes are down and part of the network is cut out, I will receive 50 emails. I would prefer one email that summarize what went down and what when up, i.e. the state change when occurs. anybody has found something with this approach? Thank you Have been using the Dude as my production monitor for over 3 years, works great. Monitoring DS3 and wireless backhauls, Metro-E, wireless and DSL subs. Also Routers, switches and server services. Ed Spoon Manager of Internet Services triparish.net http://triparish.net / cajun.net http://cajun.net Member: FISPA / WISPA Ph: 985-879-3219 / Fax: 985-876-6789 Computer Sales Services, Inc. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: hum.. I don't know... I tested the dude a couple of years ago and it had the bad habit to reset the configuration, but maybe it was the unstability of the version Do you have it in production without any issue? Thank you Dude. It e-mails, creates sounds, and even tells you where the problem is! *--- **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_** **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com//* *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 9:48 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? We use PRTG, The latest one. We watch the web client for down devices, And the important stuff alerts us via email and text message. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 *From*: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it *Sent*: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? Hi all I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have implemented to see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net. Nagios or similar? any hint would be appreciated :) thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
Hi all I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have implemented to see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net. Nagios or similar? any hint would be appreciated :) thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
hum.. I don't know... I tested the dude a couple of years ago and it had the bad habit to reset the configuration, but maybe it was the unstability of the version Do you have it in production without any issue? Thank you Dude. It e-mails, creates sounds, and even tells you where the problem is! *--- **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_** **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com//* *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 9:48 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? We use PRTG, The latest one. We watch the web client for down devices, And the important stuff alerts us via email and text message. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 *From*: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it *Sent*: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? Hi all I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have implemented to see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net. Nagios or similar? any hint would be appreciated :) thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord
Hi All, I have put on the table some RB1200 and I have noticed that sometimes when we move or hit those boxes they turn off. The power cord, looks wead and not so stable. So I was thinking it's only one defective unit, then I noticed it's the same on the units we received. Do you have a similar behaviour from RB1200? Solutions or workarounds? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Unlicensed 17Ghz Link (around 2-3 miles)
Hi All, I am looking for some pros and cons regarding a new link (between 2-3 miles) in the unlicensed European 17Ghz . I was thinking about IDU/ODU products so that if I have to move from the 17Ghz to 7Ghz or 10Ghz, I have only to take a new ODU. My goal for this link is 100Mbps with at least 99.9% Do you have comments regarding the IDU/ODU approach? And regarding the following products, what Pros and Cons do you have in mind? - Trango - Dragonwave - SAF - Ceragon - Alcoma - NEC (Pasolink) Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?
Dear members do you have any suggestion for mikrotik/ubiquiti devices with native fiber interface? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?
I am interested for the outdoor on the tower thank you Router application? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface? Dear members do you have any suggestion for mikrotik/ubiquiti devices with native fiber interface? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik or ubiquiti with fiber interface?
hum, I am looking for something to be mounted on the pole/tower any hint is appreciated Thank you On 29 March 2011 13:17, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Dear members do you have any suggestion for mikrotik/ubiquiti devices with native fiber interface? There are a number of vendors who produce x86 boxes that are designed to run Mikrotik and have SFP ports. http://store.wispgear.net/Complete-Systems-Mikrotik/c30_36/p324/MikroCore-1088-4X-Copper-GbE-+-4X-SFP/product_info.html -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
Hi anybody using this new thing: RouterBOARD SXT 5HnD MikroTik RouterBoard SXT 5HnD is a low cost, high speed 5GHz wireless device. Dual chain 802.11n and Nv2 TDMA technology help to achieve even 200Mbit real throughput speed. Complete with a ready to mount enclosure and built-in antenna, this is the perfect CPE. Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
one vendor in Europe claiming it will be available from next Monday. As of yesterday, none of my vendors had it in stock. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi anybody using this new thing: RouterBOARD SXT 5HnD MikroTik RouterBoard SXT 5HnD is a low cost, high speed 5GHz wireless device. Dual chain 802.11n and Nv2 TDMA technology help to achieve even 200Mbit real throughput speed. Complete with a ready to mount enclosure and built-in antenna, this is the perfect CPE. Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
I would love to see a gear with fiber ethernet not copper ethernet, it would help very much on the crowded towers (i.e. solving interferences) I would happly pay 100USD more for such a device I don't mind that problem on a $90 CPE, but from the higher end gear, that's a problem. MT has bigger and bigger RouterBoards available for PtPs, APs, etc. where you need that kind of data. UBNT hasn't figured that out yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/14/2011 1:01 PM, richard sterne wrote: There is a problem with the 200Mbit real throughput speed. The ethernet is One 10/100 Ethernet port. Details at http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=108 Thoughts Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Pacific Wireless Radome availability in Europe
Hi all maybe somebody can point me out a reseller/distributor in Europe that has some of: HGR-06 600mm Diameter Radome Cover for Parabolic Dish Antenna any hint appreciated Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
Hi Gino, what is missing from SAF compared to DW and Trango? I will take a look to the documents, but you know manuals don't tell the whole story ;) Thank you WE are happy with SAF, DW and Trango all have diff pricepoints, overall winner on dollar/ value is SAF Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops We are looking at upgrading our network and adding a handful(7) 11ghz licensed hops. What gear out there can use both horizontal and vertical at once to increase throughput? We are currently considering Exalt. Short coming of 11 ghz and longish 25 mile hops is throughput. We do not need a lot of bandwidth at the start but would like to be ready to if needed. This will replace a couple DS3 circuits. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link
Hi All, I was wondering if somebody of you is working at those frequencies, on moutain top or heavy-rain The point is that I am curious to know your experience at those frequencies when it's not downtown but a more country, hill or mountain environment where clouds, rain and other weather evil things can happen. The distance is around 4-5 mile, with 100Mb/1Gb bandwidth desired. what do you suggest? Any hint about a brand? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
well, why not? :) I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story. Why would you do that? for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator inline. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
It should all be 50 ohms, but you would need a big attenuator inline. so, there should not be a impedance problem, right? a big attenuator...hum...what about a loong cable? ;) Bye -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
well, just using the usual things for non usual situations. I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables). In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job. Thank you I must be missing something. I can't fiure out why you would connect two radios together for any reason other than to bench test. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable well, why not? :) I don't know if the attenuator would change the impedance story. Why would you do that? for bench testing I could see using a section of Coax with an attenuator inline. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
anybody using multiple ubnt sr71-15 with/without any inteference issue? Thank you in advance That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:47:22AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] POE Switch
Hi all, I saw this interesting switch which is has NON stardard POE, i.e. good for 12-24V devices: http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP-SW8_POE_Switch_Spec_Sheet.pdf It seems a good idea instead of multiple POE (but also a single POE, is a single point of failure...) Anybody using it? Comments? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
