Re: [WISPA] TDWR Interference screenshot

[Philip Dorr]

Here is a copy of the radar image from an email in case you haven't found
it yet.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:51 PM, ralph  wrote:

> Back a few years ago the Las Vegas TDWR was affected by what turned out to
> be a video link or something about 40 miles away. WISPA helped locate the
> interference and for a good while images of the RADAR screen showing the
> interference were floating around.
>
>
>
> I used to Google for it all the time when I needed an example. I can no
> longer locate it.
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> Does anyone have a copy of that image they could send me?
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> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Philip Dorr]

Wouldn't setting RP filter to strict fix the spoofing issue?  If not, why
not?

/ip settings set rp-filter=strict

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

> Sorry, src-address-list, not dst-address-list.
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> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
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> *Sent: *Friday, October 21, 2016 12:17:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick
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>
> /ip firewall address-list
> add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="My IPs"
> add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="Downstream
> customer X IPs"
>
> /ip firewall filter
> add action=drop chain=forward comment="Drop spoofed traffic" disabled=no
> out-interface="To-Upstream" dst-address-list=!"Public-IPs"
>
> That was largely composed off of the top of my head and typed on my phone,
> so it may not be completely accurate.
>
>
> You should also do it on customer-facing ports not allowing anything to
> come in, but that would be best approached once Mikrotik and the per
> interface setting for unicast reverse path filtering. You would then said
> customer facing interfaces to strict and all other interfaces to loose.
> They accepted the feature request, just haven't implemented it yet.
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> *Sent: *Friday, October 21, 2016 11:23:24 AM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick
>
> There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can
> be used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks:
>
> https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/
>
> Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring:
>
> https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/
> https://radar.qrator.net/
>
>
> Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming
> and shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is
> serious, people. Take it seriously.
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Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL

[Philip Dorr]

Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would kill
the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire.
On Nov 6, 2014 2:43 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
wrote:

  Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet?

 On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines...  somewhere near New
 Jersey. It's been a while.



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 *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL

 Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger
 batteries.  The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm
 afraid of asking too much of the little charger.

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Philip Dorr]

No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas City
WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC and three
WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We have to deal with
residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, Hospital APs, and now him.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?





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 “The one clear rule,” Wilder says of FNF’s philosophy, “is that the
 Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
 sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody’s got a right to use it on the
 same terms.”







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?



 Interesting

 The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
 exposed. “Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that’s Rosedale
 Ridge,” he says. “Out there 3.7 miles.”

 Summer is coming..  :-)

 -B-








 On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

 http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

 A bit more insight.

 Phil



 On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
 noobs waiting to happen..



 I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Philip Dorr]

Sorry if it sounded like I was saying that he IS causing problems, he is
not not causing any issues that I know of.

Though Timewarner/Comcast ARE causing problems ALL over the KC metro area
on both 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz.  On just one AP I can see 50+ cable APs, amd my
phone (dual band) is able to see about the same number on the ground.  Even
worse is in some of the caves that have offices, the office APs are hard to
use because of the cable provider interference.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

  I am a little confused...

 How is he asking for help to add interference to existing Wisps?

 Unfortunately with Part 15 it is what it is.

  And not helping or supporting his efforts also goes against what WISPA is
 all about.  Wireless Internet Service Providers Association  He is
 providing wireless Internet service.  Just because he is doing it for free
 does not mean he does not have a valid project.

 Just saying..

 -B-






 On 2/27/2014 9:35 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas City
 WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC and three
 WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We have to deal with
 residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, Hospital APs, and now him.


 On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netwrote:

  LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?





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 “The one clear rule,” Wilder says of FNF’s philosophy, “is that the
 Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
 sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody’s got a right to use it on the
 same terms.”







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?



 Interesting

 The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
 exposed. “Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that’s Rosedale
 Ridge,” he says. “Out there 3.7 miles.”

 Summer is coming..  :-)

 -B-








 On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

   http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

 A bit more insight.

 Phil



 On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
 noobs waiting to happen..



 I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Dynamic Spectrum Brokarage?

[Philip Dorr]

Rivada Networks, a U.S. communications technology company, announced on
Thursday it had obtained a patent for its bandwidth trading platform.

I don't think they know the difference between the USPTO and the FCC.



On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Interesting concept:



 http://www.cnbc.com/id/101362152?



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Re: [WISPA] Something to do on a Sunday

[Philip Dorr]

The press conference just started
On Oct 14, 2012 1:27 PM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think I was more nervous than he was !Stud.
 On Oct 14, 2012 1:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I got home about 10 seconds before he set off.  Got to see everything
 start to finish.  Absolutely amazing.

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Cool.

 Thanks!

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 *Subject:* [WISPA] Something to do on a Sunday

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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQfeature=share  Live
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Re: [WISPA] anybody else seen this?

[Philip Dorr]

Mess with your DNS servers and turn off any file/video hosting sites?

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/111543-google-amazon-facebook-and-twitter-considering-nuclear-option-to-protest-sopa

 any good ideas on how to support it as an ISP?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Termination Kit

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We currently use AMP Lightcrimp Plus, but are looking at using Belden
FiberExpress Brilliance in the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQtiUTY-6zs
http://www.graybar.com/documents/belden-fiberexpress-installation-guide.pdf

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 We are looking to trench some fiber to a new tower a few hundred foot
 away.  Was wandering how cost effective to cut and terminate our own
 fiber for this would be?  Its close enough for cat-6 to reach but was
 thinking just dropping fiber instead to avoid needing arrestors.  What
 fiber does everyone recommend and what connector kit?  If its to
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Re: [WISPA] Android App

[Philip Dorr]

It is likely the chipset is a Broadcom with both WiFi and Bluetooth on
the same chip.

Both my N1 and G2 use the bcm4329 Linux module.  Of course both are made by HTC.

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 Android is Linux.  The chipset is probably Atheros.  I'm sure it can be
 done, but how difficult it will be is another situation.

 I expect you'll need to root the phone and replace the driver and then write
 your own application that understands 5/10/40 channels.

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 My research says its a limitation on the chipset, however it was not
 100% exhaustive so there might be one out there. 2.4 noise is why we
 no longer use
 it for any thing except the most rural of PtP shots, often with much
 dirt blocking any expected noise sources. Maybe Ubnt will make a BT
 Wifi SA ?

 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  I have a few WiFi analyzers on my Droid and they are very useful when
  setting up a clients router to make sure they aren't on my Channel.  None
  have 40Mhz, 10Mhz or 5 Mhz width ability.  Is there one out there or is 
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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The Digital Loggers Web Power Switch III is ~$120.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

 Kevin,

 On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a 
 Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a 
 router or switch.

 If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based) 
 and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350 
 value).

 Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all 
 your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that much.

 On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
 are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
 Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
 something that was:

 Remote on/off per port
 Auto-ping reboot per port
 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail
 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v
 The one we are working on is 24v output only
 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable
 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
 transformer.

 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
 mid-May.

 Kevin

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 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to be 
 able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per port 
 with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping” 
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

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 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

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 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


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 Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Monitoring AC Current

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What about using a Hall Effect current clamp?

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
 Use a bridge regulator on the shunt.  Then meter the output of the bridge.

 Almost exactly what I am looking at doing now.  Have PacketFlux 10 amp
 shunt on order.  Will feed that into isolation transformer then with
 diode, capacitor and resisters convert that to a DC voltage.  Am
 hoping with resistive voltage divider I can convert it to 0 - 300 mv
 since I have other plans for the other 12-30 volt inputs.

 I want to monitor and graph current on a 120V AC line.  Not DC current.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection

[Philip Dorr]

Have you tried changing the hardware retries for the client?

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 I see the association go away not matter what else is going on.

 On 12/18/2010 6:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Ping across, see if it works all the time.

 See where the issue is first.

 On Dec 18, 2010 6:28 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 I have a new customer that is giving us fits.
 AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9.
 11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems.
 I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65
 both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the
 performance was great.
 I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night
 last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and
 CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2
 seconds for it to come back.
 The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals
 from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link.
 Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender

[Philip Dorr]

It requires GPS (which most people not in caves have) and about 60k
connection both ways per conversation (up to 3 conversations).
It creates an IPSEC VPN out to Verizon that the voice traffic goes over.


On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:


 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone using one of these?  What are actual bandwidth requirements and
 usage?


 Are you referring to this?
 http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html
 I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For
 calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps).
 The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC),
 so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage
 somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has
 wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance.
 I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a
 femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for
 CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite
 for this statement.
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Philip Dorr]

instead of the dedicated hardware you could use the AirView utility in
a Ubuquti M series product.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 http://ubnt.com/airview

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 On 12/1/2010 3:17 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
 I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she
 knew was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had
 and still did not work.
 One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
 deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
 I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure
 out.  I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop
 did not see any other APs.

 On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
 I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

 Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.

 Think x10 camera or other similar system.

 Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month


 Help.
 I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a
 customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list of
 available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
 Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine,
 customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop in
 and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them DOA
 seems unlikely, but ...
 I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved it
 to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same thing.
 Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
 Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
 I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
 Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
 What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3
 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless
 networks?

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT GPS

[Philip Dorr]

Is it even for sale yet?

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone test this yet?
 http://www.ubnt.com/rocketmgps


 
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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

[Philip Dorr]

You can still bridge,you just cannot switch outside the groups.
software hub vs hardware switch.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:
 thanks Scott.

 Does that mean that you can't bridge ports together that don't exist in the
 same switch group?

 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a
 switch or any or all can be routed.
 The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically
 connected, so data just bypasses the router.

 On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
 Fair enough.  I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and
 the
 point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in
 that
 like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got
 ANSWERED
 ;)

 You get what you pay for.  In the Mikrotik router game for port density
 there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not
 with
 the horsepower that's out there now.

 I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to
 include a switch:

 2 for backhauls
 3 for APs
 1 for UPS
 1 for remote power control unit
 1 for laptop access when technician is there

 I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add
 a
 router at every tower.  I've got 20 towers and I know others have way
 more
 than that.  20x$1400=$28000.  20x$400=$8000.

 There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access
 points,
 and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go
 for
 the higher end models.

 I just looked at the docs for the RB1100...

 It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch
 groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability

 The two questions I have:

 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports
 can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group?
 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this?



 - Original Message -
 From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?


 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
 Well That's not what I said.  You took that leap.
 :-)  I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86
 systems.  I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the
 comparison was made.  If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then
 I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.  Fair enough?

 What I said was that we need port density.  That was no joke.
 I agree.  I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with
 more than 5 ports, too.  Of course, the response was deadly silent.

 Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but
 not
 the
 horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply.
 My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a
 low cost managed switch that you can vlan.  You can buy Cisco switches
 off the secondary market for peanuts these days.  That gives you the
 physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may
 want/need.  If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800
 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100
 (and more power, too).

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Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?

[Philip Dorr]

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote:
 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this?

 This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason),
 there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic.  This
 would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair
 of devices) that may not rely on the same power source.  I have not seen
 a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower
 configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there.


It can be useful if you are using the device as a transparent
bandwidth manager.  Then when the device needs to be powered down, for
whatever reason, then traffic will still flow.



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Re: [WISPA] Copper GigE Distance

[Philip Dorr]

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know copper GigE states a 100m(350') distance limit but is there
 much elbow room in there?  With shielded Cat-6 could I get 425'
 stable?

 Anyone know of a GigE version of this?

 DMC-300SC 100BASE-TX to 100BASE-FX Multimode SC Media Converter
 http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=596

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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Philip Dorr]

We have full routes on two RB1000, it takes a couple of minuets with
high CPU before it finishes loading routes.  As soon as there is a
path for traffic then it starts flowing without much, if any, delay on
traffic.  I have not tried printing the routes at the terminal.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing tables on a MikroTik router?  If
 so, what kind of hardware are you running.  I'm testing a single feed on
 a P3 800.  It loads the routes fine, and seems to handle the routes in
 stride (all 328659 of them), until you start poking at the routing table
 like...

 /ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path=1234

 An AS that yielded 500 routes took 1-2 minutes at 100% CPU to complete.
 Is this normal these days, or is significantly greater hardware in
 order?  I used to have a full feed on a Cisco 3640.  It took 5-10
 minutes to load all of the routes after a reload, and it was almost
 impossible to log in, high packet loss, etc. during that time.

 So, should it take 10 seconds on real hardware, or is this type of query
 always slow?

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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

[Philip Dorr]

HTML5 is better than either java or flash.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 My experience is the total opposite and I think the world agrees with me.
 Youtube videos, games, ads, etc.

 On Oct 2, 2010 6:22 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net
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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

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But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at
1000Mb.  Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data,
but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available.
To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to
802.3af.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 I wanted to follow up on this.
 I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss
 problems have gone away.  Must be a problem with incompatibility to a
 MikroTik.

 RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a
 negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe
 UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E
 capable.


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

[Philip Dorr]

input power in the secondary port and use the main port to power
the second radio

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Eh?  What ya mean???


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:14 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

 It works perfectly fine if you power through the secondary port.

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was skeptical of the poe passthrough sicne I first saw it and this is why.
 On repeaters, it would be so tempting to just run one wire but I've
 stuck with two. It will be interesting to see if it gets fixed. Thanks
 for sharing!

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 Today I finally figured out an Issue I’ve been having with a
 NanoStation5M.  I have a customer who wanted service,  was in  trees
 but had a hot signal out at the road.  Dug a 4 foot hole, put in 2 10
 foot sections of rigid conduit and 5 bags of concrete.  Ran an
 underground line of Cat5e, double shielded and flooded cable with
 ground wire to his house.  That was 5 months or so ago.  At the
 beginning of August, he called me and said his neighbor wanted
 service.  Same trees so I took the AirGrid down, put up a Nano5M and
 plugged a Nano loco2 into the secondary port and shot it at a second
 Nano Loco2 at his place.  Replaced my weird Airgrid



 Worked perfectly, everyone happy.  2 weeks ago I get a call, neighbor
 not working.  I go out, no power light on the Nano at the pole.  I
 figure, bad crimp…….  Take it down, make up a new wire to connect the two, 
 fires up.
 All good.  2 days later, same issue.  I reset it all to defaults,
 reconfigure, all okay.  2 days later, same thing.  I downgrade
 firmware to 5.2.  Couple of days later, no signal again.  I’ll also
 add I was getting some “weird”  lag at the AP that this setup was
 feeding off of.  So I was fighting two battles.  Then today, I find
 that the PoE Pass Through check box is empty.  DUH!  I check it,
 apply, comes back empty.  I do it again, same issue.  I go out and I
 can connect my laptop through the secondary port but it will not give any 
 voltage.



 I checked my lag time issue at the AP.  GONE!



 I then checked in the UBNT forums.  It’s an issue.  After 20 days
 PoE on the secondary Nano port starts to die.  Replaced it with
 another Nano5M, working fine but looks like I’ll be coming up with
 another MacGyver solution to service this dude……….



 Just so ya knows.



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

[Philip Dorr]

Nothing, it will constantly stay on.  Of course you cannot turn off
the second radio.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:

 Are you serious ? What if the poe checkbox gets unchecked ?

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 Date:  Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:37:58 -0500

input power in the secondary port and use the main port to power
the second radio

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
wrote:
 Eh?  What ya mean???


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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

 It works perfectly fine if you power through the secondary port.

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was skeptical of the poe passthrough sicne I first saw it and this is 
 why.
 On repeaters, it would be so tempting to just run one wire but I've
 stuck with two. It will be interesting to see if it gets fixed. Thanks
 for sharing!

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 Today I finally figured out an Issue I’ve been having with a
 NanoStation5M.  I have a customer who wanted service,  was in  trees
 but had a hot signal out at the road.  Dug a 4 foot hole, put in 2 10
 foot sections of rigid conduit and 5 bags of concrete.  Ran an
 underground line of Cat5e, double shielded and flooded cable with
 ground wire to his house.  That was 5 months or so ago.  At the
 beginning of August, he called me and said his neighbor wanted
 service.  Same trees so I took the AirGrid down, put up a Nano5M and
 plugged a Nano loco2 into the secondary port and shot it at a second
 Nano Loco2 at his place.  Replaced my weird Airgrid



 Worked perfectly, everyone happy.  2 weeks ago I get a call, neighbor
 not working.  I go out, no power light on the Nano at the pole.  I
 figure, bad crimp…….  Take it down, make up a new wire to connect 
 the two, fires up.
 All good.  2 days later, same issue.  I reset it all to defaults,
 reconfigure, all okay.  2 days later, same thing.  I downgrade
 firmware to 5.2.  Couple of days later, no signal again.  I’ll also
 add I was getting some “weird† Â lag at the AP that this setup was
 feeding off of.  So I was fighting two battles.  Then today, I find
 that the PoE Pass Through check box is empty.  DUH!  I check it,
 apply, comes back empty.  I do it again, same issue.  I go out and I
 can connect my laptop through the secondary port but it will not give any 
 voltage.



 I checked my lag time issue at the AP.  GONE!



 I then checked in the UBNT forums………….  It’s an issue.  After 
 20 days
 PoE on the secondary Nano port starts to die.  Replaced it with
 another Nano5M, working fine but looks like I’ll be coming up with
 another MacGyver solution to service this dude……….



 Just so ya knows.



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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

[Philip Dorr]

According to that website channels 5-13 and a couple others, that are
only 2 channels wide, are available here, but unless the local TV
channels completely changed on the DTV switch 5 and 9 are in use.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
  According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
 Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.

 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 8 Channels around here for me...

 http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net  
 wrote:
 That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
 channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
 people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
 just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.

 Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
 has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
 contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
 just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  
 wrote:
   That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
 you're going to have to find several channels together.

 With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
 or will you need to pick 3 or 4?

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net    wrote:
 It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.



 Josh Luthman wrote:

 I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
 search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
 wrong?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net
 wrote:


 Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
 Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
 have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
 jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
 results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
 bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
 back to the default. Any ideas?

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
 char...@knownelement.com    wrote:


    http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/

 Kind of cool I think...


 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!

[Philip Dorr]

It works perfectly fine if you power through the secondary port.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was skeptical of the poe passthrough sicne I first saw it and this is why.
 On repeaters, it would be so tempting to just run one wire but I've stuck
 with two. It will be interesting to see if it gets fixed. Thanks for
 sharing!

 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 Today I finally figured out an Issue I’ve been having with a
 NanoStation5M.  I have a customer who wanted service,  was in  trees but had
 a hot signal out at the road.  Dug a 4 foot hole, put in 2 10 foot sections
 of rigid conduit and 5 bags of concrete.  Ran an underground line of Cat5e,
 double shielded and flooded cable with ground wire to his house.  That was 5
 months or so ago.  At the beginning of August, he called me and said his
 neighbor wanted service.  Same trees so I took the AirGrid down, put up a
 Nano5M and plugged a Nano loco2 into the secondary port and shot it at a
 second Nano Loco2 at his place.  Replaced my weird Airgrid



 Worked perfectly, everyone happy.  2 weeks ago I get a call, neighbor not
 working.  I go out, no power light on the Nano at the pole.  I figure, bad
 crimp…….  Take it down, make up a new wire to connect the two, fires up.
 All good.  2 days later, same issue.  I reset it all to defaults,
 reconfigure, all okay.  2 days later, same thing.  I downgrade firmware to
 5.2.  Couple of days later, no signal again.  I’ll also add I was getting
 some “weird”  lag at the AP that this setup was feeding off of.  So I was
 fighting two battles.  Then today, I find that the PoE Pass Through check
 box is empty.  DUH!  I check it, apply, comes back empty.  I do it again,
 same issue.  I go out and I can connect my laptop through the secondary port
 but it will not give any voltage.



 I checked my lag time issue at the AP.  GONE!



 I then checked in the UBNT forums.  It’s an issue.  After 20 days PoE
 on the secondary Nano port starts to die.  Replaced it with another Nano5M,
 working fine but looks like I’ll be coming up with another MacGyver solution
 to service this dude……….



 Just so ya knows.



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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

[Philip Dorr]

Antarctic

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Is that an African or English swallow?

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:09 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

 What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

 Totally agree.

When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its
 first hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.

 Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300 miles
 8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the time you blink.

The median advertised download speed is 7Mbps. The reality is just over
 4Mbps.

 Because Farmville needs that last 3Mbps.  You can watch Netflix at full 
 definition at those speeds.  A hotel asked what their bandwidth was and we 
 figured it to be just about 4Mbps - a hotel with dozens or hundreds of people.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
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 On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Talk about trash articles. This was terrible.  I hope next time they
 do
 one of these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a couple 
 of guys with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to copy 300gb 
 files from one computer to another over a standard 10/100 network.  Pigeons 
 would come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop with 10 pigeons why 
 not 100 then he could gripe about fiber being slow as well.  Sheesh

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?


 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
 -are-faster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Philip Dorr]

on the interface that has the same IP subnet as the VPN

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 If this was asked earlier in the thread I missed it. On which interfaces 
 should arp-proxy be enabled? Just on the local net or on the public 
 interface(s) as well?

 Greg
 On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Butch Evans wrote:

 On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 22:51 -0400, Francois Menard wrote:
 Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the
 same subnet as the subnet to which access is sought for ?

 No...I said that IF you are using IPs that are part of an existing
 subnet, then you WILL need to use proxy-arp to make it work.


 its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed
 relationship between the VPN client and the VPN server ...
 thus the need for Proxy-ARP in that case ?

 I really don't understand the question you are asking.



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Philip Dorr]

If you are using the same IP subnet on the VPN and the Ethernet you
need arp set to proxy-arp

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Trying to connect remotely via windows based laptop, PtPP protocol.  Setup
 the PtPP server with all the stuff, can connect just fine and get out to
 the internet but not into the private network.  Missing something simple
 here.



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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

 What type of VPN? Could you give a bit more info on the network layout?

 I could probably shoot you over a config if I had that info.

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 On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the
 tunnel in relation to the other interfaces?


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 wrote:

 Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
 Anyone have a script of a step by step?


 I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
 Throwing in the towel yet again.


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Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

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DA5W-29-DP-FEED

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
 I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.  Anyone
 have a part number for them?

    
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 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
 mailto:ch...@uplogon.com wrote:

     We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic dishes serving
     as a PtP link.  We are going to be upgrading the radios connected to
     these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity.  Does anyone
     know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes from single
     pol to dual pol?  Would sure be easier than hauling up a whole new dish
     setup.  If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy just a
     feed horn?  Thanks.


 I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.

 We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you describe.
 There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a few
 inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a smaller
 hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a rasp, and
 basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the new
 feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something, and
 already had a suitable small notch in the center.

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Router Types

[Philip Dorr]

Most likely it is the last 4 numbers of the serial number

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I could be wrong, but I think when I checked that once it was an
 incorrect guess.

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 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Jerry Richardson
 jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 It's the last 4# of the MAC address I think

 - Jerry

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 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:15 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Router Types

 Was that all that was in the essid? Qwest, 2wire, and a few others now
 do that. They place the default essid and key on the bottom and gamble
 that no two with the same las 4 digits land near each other.

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I havent done it in quite sometime, so today I fired up my laptop with
 netstumbler while driving around. I picked up a bunch of AP's with numbers
 such as 0171 6043, 1163, 0320, etc. Does anyone know what they are?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Off Topic Challenge (Regular Expression)

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to remove trailing [[x add a sed regex

cat test | awk -F = '{print $2}'|sed 's/\[\[x//'

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.com wrote:
 On 9/14/2010 8:57 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:

 I receive the following back from a web request a custom application makes.
  I need some regular expressions that tear it apart into its individual data
 fields.  Everything between the equal lines is an actual response sample.  I
 need the name, number, address, city, state and zip pulled from the entire
 text output - each with one regular expression.  I'm sure there is some
 talented people out there that can do this in a few minutes.  I figured I'd
 be lazy and ask before I spent hours trial and erroring.

  Thanks for your assistance and time

 
 Vitelity Communications API. Unauthorized access prohibited. All commands
 are logged along with IP and username.

 x[[name=BREVARD WIRELESS
 number=3212051100
 address=123 WIRELESS DR
 city=ROCKLEDGE
 state=FL
 zip=32955[[x

 If it's on Linux just shell out to awk via a system call and assign each
 response to a variable (probably inside an array):

 char...@john:~$ cat testin2
 [name=blah
 number=11
 address=1 a b c

 char...@john:~$ cat testin2 | awk -F = '{print $2}'
 blah
 11
 1 a b c


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Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

[Philip Dorr]

how about Ubiquti with Openmesh

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however
 but open to some ideas for sure
 On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

 Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the
 town from both sides, and a mesh through out town?

 Greg

 On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote:

 Hi All,

 I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have

 two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11

 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most

 customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the

 tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in

 the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for

 AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84.

 I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that

 is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the

 ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles

 away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will

 likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg

 sectors.

 Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have

 wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but

 they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are

 typically -100 to -104 noise.

 Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater

 situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees,

 under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with

 trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable

 service, as there is DSL in this town.





 

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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

[Philip Dorr]

probably a mikrotik router or two

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whats the .001 unit?

 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 Works fine.  I’m now 99.999% UBNT!







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Taking the plunge



 All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT.   I have
 a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns.
 They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower that due to
 contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am considering
 taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket
 and Airmax 120 sector.  It will take time to physically switch all my
 clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before
 the snow flies.



 Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax till
 everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you
 get it on?



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Philip Dorr]

Would a RB1000 and HP Procurve work?

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote:
 Yikes $40k again. I am trying to come up with a sub $12k solution.

 On 09/11/2010 02:39 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 No I haven't. But I will look into it now. Let me know how your talk
 with the sales guys goes?

 On 09/11/2010 02:38 PM, Jon Auer wrote:

 That makes sense.
 BGP over a VPLS VC shouldn't be any different than BGP across a
 Ethernet cable AFAIK.

 Have you checked out the Alcatel-Lucent SR series routers? I'm
 supposed to be talking to one of their sales reps next week. They nare
 really trying to gain market share and i hear hey have some good
 deals.

 On Saturday, September 11, 2010, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.net   
 wrote:


 I am thinking its time to use a switch as a switch and a router as a
 router. I am thinking about using this for the MPLS backbone and put in
 actual 7200/7300 routers at locations where full BGP needs to be
 offered. What I haven't yet worked out is whether two routers can
 establish a BGP peering session over a VPLS VC.


 On 09/11/2010 01:25 PM, Jon Auer wrote:


 Beware of the TCAM size on that box.
 IIRC it hasn't been able to take full internet routes since 2008
 because of that limitation.

 On Saturday, September 11, 2010, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.net  
    wrote:



 After many days of searching it looks like I found something in the sub
 $20k range. The ME-C6524GT-8S appears to do it all.

 On 09/08/2010 04:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:



 Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
 switches...
 You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
 RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
 greater you aren't going to find that.

 The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
 should be able to get it for $30-50K.

 Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
 known to do.
 Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
 the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
 reflector to the customer and vice versa.
 Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
 router/route reflector.

 Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
 the most straightforward solution to me.

 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.net 
       wrote:




 I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T 
 ports
 with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
 suggestions?

 For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
 support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP 
 connections
 to customers from this ring of backhauls.

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

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If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
 use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
 ethernet connection.




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 From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com
 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

 Hi all

 I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
 them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
 impedance is not the right one.

 Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the
 same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
 impedance the RX card would show to the TX card

 Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
 installations?

 Thank you


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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Philip Dorr]

I think we are seeing high uptime (possibly 99.9%), but we have signal
fade in the morning when there is dew (down for a couple of seconds
every 5 minutes for about a half hour).  We are planning to move about
5 miles closer so that we can get better uptime.

The link is WQJT540 (39 06 02.9 N, 094 34 52.3 W) to WQJT544 (38 39
15.0 N, 094 17 54.4 W)

We have a -38.5 dBm RSL and a 36.34 dB SNR.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 That's a pretty incredible claim. What sort of reliability are you seeing?
 Are you using space diversity and dual links?  Phillip without making me
 sleuth what is the geography? I would be comfortable doing this in the
 desert or from mountaintops, but would worry about ducting and other fading
 most places.

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203
 m...@aweiowa.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:57 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

 If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact
 link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex.

 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you
 use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?    Want to do full duplex 100 M
 ethernet connection.




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 From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com
 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

 Hi all

 I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
 them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
 impedance is not the right one.

 Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the
 same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
 impedance the RX card would show to the TX card

 Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily
 installations?

 Thank you


 --


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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet to Fiber Adapters

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you could get a DC to DC converter that works off of 24 volts (or make your own)

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:35 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had a feeling you were going to say that. Let us know if you find those.

 On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 wrote:

 This looks good, but uses 7.5 volt power.  I need something that uses the
 24 volt power that is in the box.

 RickG wrote:

 These work well for the price.

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156005nm_mc=OTC-Frooglecm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-Trendnet-_-33156005
 -RickG

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 wrote:

 I know there are folks out there using fiber up the tower.
 What are you using for media converters?

 Scott Reed wrote:
  I have a tower that it looks like the only option is to run fiber to
  the
  RB433 as there is an FM repeater station just below us.  All my RBs are
  running at 24VDC.  What Ethernet to Fiber adapters are folks using that
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Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7

[Philip Dorr]

Put a static IP on the computer and access the Mikroik devices via MAC

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
    I just get sick of configuring units, such as mikrotik, and switching
 devices and then having to wait until DHCP times out.  Pretty annoying when
 you have 50 Mikrotik boards to configure.  Takes longer for me to wait on
 DHCP than to drop the config file on it.
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 From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:39:25 -0600
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7

 LOL.   if you have a Deliberant radio you might want to look into increasing
 it to 5 minutes because that's how long they take to boot up.  I tried
 looking into it a while ago, but did not find anything that easily.

 Had to tell my customers to wait 5 minutes to startup the computer once they
 booted up the radio.

 Mark

 On 08/20/2010 09:42 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:

 Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 I know a good majority of you deal with
 the annoyance of waiting on Windows to timeout when there is no DHCP server.
  Anyone found a fix for this? Registry setting?  Very annoying waiting on
 windows to timeout DHCP when you know it will not get one.  Sure a static IP
 shortens this time, but can be a pain in itself.  Looking for a hack to
 shorten the windows DHCP timeout down to something sane.

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Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

[Philip Dorr]

Host a Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, ect) Bittorrent seed box?

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 Already do takes 1-2Mbps at peak times.

 Travis
 Microserv


 Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Host a server for speedtest.net





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 Ya we currently have over 200Mbps of available outgoing bandwidth
 available and we already do hosting and co-location. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 Josh Luthman wrote:

 Servers...game servers, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers...?



 Maybe help the community with content distribution.



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        As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers what are
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Re: [WISPA] POE Switch

[Philip Dorr]

With a humidity of 40-80%, when you step outside and you start
sweating very quickly (60+%) or just want to get back inside quickly.
Of course the humidity drops once you get about 80 feet off of the
ground, so it is bearable to work on a tower,but not comfortable.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
 Like 98 with a heat index of 116 or something like that, course I am not
 there, but sounds like it sux.





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 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:03 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Switch



 Define Missouri heat, for us?  Wasn't aware it was that hot there.

 On Aug 11, 2010 10:01 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

 We use the 12 and 8 port Mid-Spans (non-poe compliant) on our towers,
 work great. We have some at 400 foot in the MO heat ! lol   We sell them
 at www.wlan1.com, think we have some in stock as well.   What's nice, is
 that they come with a great warranty, and so far, never have had any
 issues with them..  (knock on wood right)


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Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP

[Philip Dorr]

Was that even legal? I thought the 900 MHz spectrum that we are
allowed was 902-928.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Before smartmeters (BC) we had 3 integrated 900's on the same tower at
 906, 914, and 930 without issue.

 It's really about your available spectrum. You need a minimum of 9MHz
 spacing.

 75'of cable should not be a problem other than loss is loss. I would
 put the AP on the back of the antenna



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 Sent Mobile

 On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

 I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help.
 How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed?
 Can they be the same polarity?
 Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft?
 Anything else I should consider?
 Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

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The fiber on one tower is Chromatic technologies, Inc. Optical Fiber
Cable 700 series shielded cable, but usually it is just normal fiber
that is inside conduit.  The media converters are whatever we can buy
and still cheap (TP-Link,TRENDnet,etc). We put our own ends on the
cable to fit whatever modules we buy (used to be SC, but now mainly
ST).  We use a Lightcrimp Pluss kit to put the ends on the fiber.

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 What type of fiber and media converters are you using?

 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com
 wrote:

 We would use fiber+120VAC

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  Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Philip Dorr]

I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
per square meter once it reached earth.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category,
 many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

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 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

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We would use fiber+120VAC

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 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

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It is ran up the side of the tower and cable tied about every five
feet or less. On the bottom end of the cable we have a PolyPhaser
PLDO-20US20A to protect the equipment at the bottom from lightning
strikes. I do not know exactly what guage/brand/type of wire, but it
has 3125 07:08 ROHS printed on it and then a number of feet and is
able to be directly buried.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM,  lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 How do you run the 110 up the tower?
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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 We would use fiber+120VAC

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Philip Dorr]

Nothing.  The USB port on the rocket is a USB host, not a USB device/client.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
 I also have never tried to connect a netbook to the rocket usb

 hmmm what can u do with that ?

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 On 8/5/2010 8:28 PM, RickG wrote:
 Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
 tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a spare Ethernet cable
 last night. No help.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com  wrote:

 One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
 You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
 cable.

 If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
 loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
 one?  Did you recrimp the ends?


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 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

 Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
 noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
 installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
 the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com  wrote:

 Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
 loss?

 There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular

 radio

 scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?

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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Philip Dorr]

Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods
one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached
to each leg of the tower.  When you have guy wires are't you supposed
to do the same between them?

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
 We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle
 about 10 ft out in each direction.


 Cameron


 On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at
 least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

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 Toledo, IA   52342
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 Behalf Of Mark Dueck
 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

 I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.

 We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
 single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
 (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
 like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
 grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
 all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
 legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
 goes directly into the limestone.

 Any suggestions?

 On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
 Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
 jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
 away.
 Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
 If
 its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
 static.

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 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection

 I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
 cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
 a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
 try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Philip Dorr]

I do not know exactly what guage/brand/type of wire, but it has 3125
07:08 ROHS printed on it and then a number of feet.  It is ran up the
side of the tower and cable tied about every five feet. On the bottom
end of the cable we have a PolyPhaser PLDO-120US20A to protect the
equipment in the building from lightning strikes.

The Armored fiber says Chromatic technologies, Inc. Optical Fiber
Cable 700 series ==62.5/125== 6F PN 200032.  03/01 and then the
number of meters on it. and is cable tied with the AC.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 What is used to run AC up the tower?  What kind of current can it hold?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 wrote:

 I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every
 20' or 30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that the
 fiber is supported every 30'.  I would think that regardless of what type
 it is you would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight support limit
 that could easily be exceeded with the amount of cable required to go up a
 tower.

 Justin Wilson wrote:

 This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.

 1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
 2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about
 conduit?
 3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
 4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?

 Pics? Lessons learned?

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Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script

[Philip Dorr]

If it is a HTTP interface then you might be able to use curl to talk
to the device.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 Well yeah, I know that.  What I would like to do is  if this and this or
 this then do that.  I can write Awk code or something to do that, but I have
 never talked to a digital logger with its native language.  Have you?

 Friendly Regards,

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  -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:37 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script

 It's built in.  Just have it ping the device (or a device on the far side of

 a link) and set the auto ping to cycle that outlet.
 marlon

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 Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:59 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script


 Does anyone have a way to control a Digital Loggers Ethernet switch they
 would share?  I want to be able to say create a batch file or small
 executable to power cycle certain ports.

 Thanks,  Mike





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue

[Philip Dorr]

Those that we have had the Ethernet go dead, but the wireless still
works, we replace the Ethernet chip on and they work fine.  Since
using shielded CAT5E, we have not lost any radios that had shielded
cable and a Ubiquti PoE supply.  If we lose one and it has unshielded
wire, then we replace the wire with shielded wire and the radio with a
repaired radio (or a new radio if we do not currently have a repaired
radio).

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I've had two NS2s go bad ever (been 9 months since I started using them).
 One doesn't turn on at all and the other one is unable to do Ethernet
 link/activity (powers on, wireless works).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote:

 I have a box full of them that have the same issue.  Ben told me to use
 shielded cable for client installs.
 Not that I haven't had a MT get hit a time or 2 but it seems every time I
 see a cloud in the sky I loose an ns2.
 Hopefully they'll get this fixed but for now I'm sticking with the $130 MT
 CPE over the ns2.

 Jim


 On 7/14/2010 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I had that a week or two ago.  Michael asked me to just go ahead and RMA -
 I did.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

 Yes powered up and working fine from wireless side, no link on Ethernet

 Mark McElvy


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:14 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue

 Is the unit still powering up from the POE ??



 And you just can't talk to it?







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue



 Curious if other have seen issue with bad Ethernet ports on NS2's. I
 have a customer with a strange setup and he has blown the Ethernet port
 on 3 NS2's so far. Setup is a PS2/Client to the Internet  on a 50ft mast
 on a hillside, Ethernet runs 150ft down a hill to power and is plugged
 into a NS2 in AP mode transmitting down the hill to the house where
 there is another NS2 as a client to the NS2 on the hill. The issue is
 with the AP/NS2 up the hill keeps blowing the Ethernet port. It is on a
 10ft Ethernet cable and the LAN ports of the two POE's (NS2/AP and
 PS2/Client to the Internet) are connected together with a crossover. Any
 thoughts on why just this one radio would blow the ether port?



 Mark McElvy


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Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

[Philip Dorr]

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Alan Bryant
a...@gtekcommunications.com wrote:
 As public IP addresses are limited and at times hard to come by, we
 are trying to use them as efficiently as possbile, however, we
 basically have a /24, 2 /22's, and a /23 allocated to us right now. I
 have decided upon a subnet for every AP that includes some room for
 growth, but not a lot. What I am not sure of is how to add a new
 subnet to an AP once it runs out of space. Do I just point a new
 subnet to that AP and I'm fine having multiple subnets on the AP? Do I
 need to renumber to make the current subnet larger?

Just add a new subnet (and appropriate routing) and you should be able
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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

So it could work on a licensed or ham radio link that is pumping out 50+ watts?

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
 I've tried it a couple of times and never had enough signal to make it work.

 If you have a -70 signal at the first receive antenna then you're basically
 going to transmit at -70 or so (instead of + 1 or 3).  Running the calcs it
 looks like a receive signal of -132 at 2 miles.

 Remember, at 2.4 gig you gain 6 db every time you halve your distance.  So
 at 1 mile it would be -126, half mile would be -120 and 1/4th mile you'd
 still only see a receive signal of about -114.

 Near as I can tell this only works well if you have a LOT of power.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater


 Ok I have never even thought about doing this.  Does it actually work?  This
 sounds WAY to simple.

 A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg  pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged
 into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away.  What kind of signal
 would you have on the back side at the house?

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the
 two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on
 a remote location.

 (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though)


 Rubens


 On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I
 have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I
 was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a
 TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet
 up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

 I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not
 many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

 How does everyone you get around this?

 Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box,
 pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 So with two 2.4 24 dbi Grid with 30 pig tail, what distance of cable would 
 you need in between them for the best match?

 Same with 5.8.  Reason I ask is I have 2 locations that have no chance of 
 electrical power but need to get around a woods to.  Both are very short 
 distances to tower but heavy woods for straight line of site.  I actually 
 have some Grids lying around not being used that I could play with.

 Secondly I am a computer and network expert and I know what a wave is and can 
 measure one on an oscilloscope but have no idea how to convert that to 
 meter/feet/inch.

300 / frequency in MHz = size in meters

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike
 Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:03 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter.
 If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found.
 (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater.  I DO 
 find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it.
 :-)

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero 
 impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - 
 http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif

 The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed 
 line's impedance (a perfect match represented by the point marked 1.0 in 
 the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain 
 distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on 
 the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw 
 a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance.
 To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move 
 down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move 
 around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be 
 the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer 
 diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If 
 you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength 
 around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going
 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on 
 the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go
 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in 
 other words you return to where you started.

 Greg
 On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote:

 The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me.  Two times in many
 years
 I have done just that with limited success.



 The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in
 SW Florida.  It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as
 well as
 the
 techs.  Cell phone coverage was the pits.  What I did was point a Yagi
 at
 a
 known cell tower a few miles away.  The feed line penetrated the
 building and fed a half wave dipole.  One of the benefits of that
 particular time
 in
 my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer.  The dipole
 was
 cut
 very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was
 cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater.  In
 that way
 any
 matching errors to the feedline were negated.  It gave cell phones in
 the building a couple bars and made usage possible.



 The second one was for a customer here in Iowa.  They live down in a
 bowl and couldn't see my tower 2 miles away.  They have a campground.
 Cell phones don't work well at all in the bowl.  There is a pasture
 which has a hill that rises up from the bowl.  From that hill you can see my 
 tower.
 They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a
 panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which
 termed the entire property into a hot spot.  It works well.



 We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together
 with a short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a
 multiple of ¼
 wave
 again.  One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the
 campground.
 It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn't work most of the
 time before.



 If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them
 with minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way.  I
 would be curious to see the results as I haven't done it with
 frequencies over 800 MHz.  I wouldn't look for any magic results but
 reasonable results 

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

[Philip Dorr]

since when?  I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware
they added second ethernet port.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant.  However,  Last thing I really 
 want to do is learn another radio system.

 Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater

 Get a Deliberant AP Duo.  $350 and no hassle.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Repeater

 I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have 
 one and I am looking for a better option.  When I started my wisp I was 100% 
 Tranzeo.  At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has
 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE.  I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a 
 POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between.

 I would like a similar layout for other locations.   Issue I see is that not
 many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE?

 How does everyone you get around this?

 Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, 
 pigtails, 2 LMR cables.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernet when forced to 100Mbps full duplex

[Philip Dorr]

Just guessing, but could they require a crossover cable when both are
forced?  According to Wikipedia Auto-MDIX requires the speed and
duplex setting to be set to auto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-MDIX

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a BulletM2 and a NanostationM5 back to back (the bullet's ethernet 
 port is connected to the NanostationM5's secondary port. The NanostationM5 
 is doing POE pass through and powering the BulletM2. The NanostationM5 the 
 BulletM2 is connected to is the far end of a pair of NanostationM5's acting 
 as a backhaul.

 I've had some intermittent problems on the network and I wanted to rule out a 
 flaky ethernet cable or connection so I decided to disable auto negotiate on 
 the ethernet port and to force 100Mbps full duplex to see if the problem 
 could be exacerbated to help locate it. When I force the BulletM2 and 
 NanostationM5 to 100Mbps full duplex connectivity between them is lost. I 
 thought good, I've got a bad cable so I replaced the cable. Still no good. 
 Tried another. Still no good. The units are close together and connected 
 together with a 6' cable. After trying various cables I still can't get 
 forced 100Mbps full duplex to work. With 100Mbps full dup forced there is no 
 connectivity, not even ping.

 If I revert to auto negotiate they connect fine.

 I'm assuming they are connecting at 100Mbps and probably full duplex because 
 if I run a speed test from the BulletM2 to the far NanostationM5 (data path 
 is from the BulletM2 through the ethernet cable to the close NanostationM5, 
 then across the wireless connection (AirMax, no ptp ack) to the far 
 NanostationM5) I'm seeing speeds of 95Mbps both directions with a combined 
 speed of double that so it seems like things are running very well in both 
 directions simultaneously.

 Is there any way through SSH or scripting to get the UBNT gear to report what 
 speed has been negotiated on the ethernet port using auto negociate?

 Could this be a bug in the firmware?

 Thanks!
 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?

[Philip Dorr]

The HTC EVO 4G was released today.  The demand for it brought down
their activation system.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
 Yes it is, Sprint owns Clear and they are releasing a phone (HTC 4G)
 some time soon. The times I used it, it was not very good at all. High
 ping, low bandwidth, but these were all the 'pro' install cabled to a
 indoor AP.

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Isn't it Clear's wimax service?

 On 6/4/10, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi guys... it's been a while!

 So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like
 me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space
 ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network?

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Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config, license)?

[Philip Dorr]

If downtime is a option the you can boot the system of a live Linux
distro and make a DD backup of the HDD.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've googled and searched and can't find an answer to this. I posted to the 
 MT forum, but I thought I'd try here too. Thanks!

 I would like to know if it's possible to back up the entire RouterOS install 
 including the license on an x86 installation. I have a computer on which I 
 was using for RouterOS but have swapped it out for an RB750. I want to use 
 the computer for other things (perhaps Astaro or Untangle) but I don't want 
 to lose the RouterOS license, and I would also like to have the computer 
 ready to go back in service with RouterOS should the RB750 fail (I lost one 
 to lightning before adding lightning protection). Understand I am not trying 
 to pirate RouterOS or do anything which is contrary to the terms of the 
 license. I just want to use the machine for something else, with the 
 possibility of reverting back to RouterOS if the RB750 which replaced it 
 should fail. If I didn't live in the jungle of South America I'd run down to 
 Best Buy and pick up another SATA hard drive and use that for the other OS. 
 But I only have one drive so I'm looking at imaging the drive with RouterOS 
 on it and keep tha
  t image safe so I can use the hard drive for something else. Should this 
 work? Any advice would be appreciated.

 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results

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I prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_(1980_video_game) and
its deriviatives

I remember having Battlezone, Tempest, Asteroids, and Centepede
installed on my Windows 3.1 computer.  I need to see if I can find the
disks they where on (hopefully they are not 5.25 inch, dead 3.5 inch
disks, or lost/trashed)

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:39 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28arcade_game%29
 I bet your thinking of Joust:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joust_%28video_game%29
 Both were hours of fun!

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:
 So I took a survey and 39 of you responded with your answers.  The first
 choice was Galaga and the Second Centepede.  I appreciate your help, we
 will be integrating them into the Regional Meeting happening July
 21/22.  Thanks for your help in guiding our decisions.

 1st Choice    Game    2nd Choice

 2      Pacman                   3
 11    Galaga                     1
 2      Gorf                        0
 2     Donkey Kong           1
 2     Centepede                5
 1     Asteroids                  3
 2     Asteroids Deluxe      0
 1     Dig Dug                    1
 0     Space Invaders         1
 0     Lunar Lander            0
 2     Missle Command      2
 1     Zork                         0
 2     Ms. Pacman             0
 3     Frogger                    2
 2     Donkey Kong          2
 1     1942                        3
 1     Defender                  1
 2     Zaxxon                     0
 1     Tron                         1

 Other notes:  Zork was never a stand up game (oops), Galaxian (pre
 Galaga), Tempest (I remember that one, the flapping wings right?)

 Anyway, thanks for your help and filling out the survey, made for an
 interesting Friday.

 Forbes


 
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Re: [WISPA] ack settings

[Philip Dorr]

Airmax is up to V5.2-RC as of two days ago

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:

 Airmax is up to 5.2.beta8, legacy is up to 3.5.xxxrc something.

 -- Original Message --
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Fri, 14 May 2010 17:30:39 -0400

What is beta 8?

I've never changed the ack timeouts.  I've always used dynamic (MT APs
and NS2 CPEs).

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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continue that counts.”
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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
wrote:
 I've been doing Auto Ack since beta 8 came out and it seems to be setting it
 just right but I use UBNT for the AP as well.  Before that I was setting
 them a little more than the center of the CPEs average distance with no
 issues.

 However, with the UBNT on both sides we can also set the AirMax priority so
 that the clients further out have lower priority thus the closer ones won't
 suffer.  With the setting of the two it's been smooth.

 Bob-




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Data Technology
 Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] ack settings

 I have MT for access points and mostly UBNT for client units.

 Just wondering about the proper way to set the ack on the CPE.  I have
 always just set it for a little further than the customer on the UBNT
 side and left the MT side to dynamic.  This was set differently for each
 customer.  One might be set at 1 mile and one might be set at 5 miles.

 I read something the other day that said the ack should be set at the
 furtherest customer plus about 10%.  I read this to mean that all
 customers should be set to the furtherest distance, is this correct?

 Also searching came up with the fact that the auto ack setting on UBNT
 is more of a problem that a help.

 Just looking for suggestions and input on how everyone is setting the
 client units.
 And do I leave the access point set to dynamic or should I set it
 statically as well?


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Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests

[Philip Dorr]

Wouldn't you saturate your upload 3Mb/s before you could reach even 1Gb/s?

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net wrote:
        Wow, I knew our connections were fast - now I need to figure out
 what to charge!  Just downloaded the entire Internet in less than a
 second :)  Not a very accurate tool!

 * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
 * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
 * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
 * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:26 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests

 I didn't find speedtest mini to be that accurate, although it's be over
 a year since I last tried it.

 I actually found ajaxometer to be much better.
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ajaxometer/

 On 05/13/2010 06:24 PM, Michael Baird wrote:
 We are a speedtest.net host, so customers who head to speedtest anyway
 are redirected to a local httpd on our network, geographical
 competitors
 get sent to our network as well which has the side benefit of a little
 advert for us.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

  From time to time I get customer complaints when they use various
 offsite

 speed tests. Does anyone know of good speed test software that I can
 set up
 on my network?




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

[Philip Dorr]

both? A lazy rebel?

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 I just ignore.

 This is why I'm always in trouble.

 Screw em.  I'm either a rebel or lazy.  You decide.





 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules


 Isn't that how it goes though? How much time and/or expense does it
 take to run your business for work that has nothing to do with your
 service? With all due respect, just because Quickbooks can do it
 easily doesnt mean it should be imposed on a business owner. And
 when you get down to it, when your dealing with anything in software 
 hardware, etc, it's never easy. The bottom line is that I want to
 simply provide great internet access to my customers. Instead, I spend
 about half my time dealing with crap such as this. Gimme a break!

 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:00 PM, David Sovereen
 david.sover...@mercury.net wrote:
 Quickbooks can spit them out for you easily and automatically. Sure, it
 will take some time to collect TINs the first year it's in effect, but
 after that, the work is only incremental and highly automatable.

 Dave

 MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:


 http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/

 It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a
 year.

 Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck. Ebay
 purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.

 That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say I quit.

 Frankly, we should all just quit. For a week. Or a month. Call up the
 White House and say you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit.
 When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will
 realize
 it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns business
 and economics.




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Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

[Philip Dorr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISM_band

In the United States of America, ISM uses of the ISM bands are
governed by Part 18 of the FCC rules, while Part 15 Subpart B contains
the rules for unlicensed communication devices, even those that use
the ISM frequencies. Part 18 ISM rules prohibit using ISM for
communications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15_(FCC_rules)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII


On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 900 and 2.4 are ISM


 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:30 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:

 Not exactly correct.

 You do not want to run under the ISP service!  It does not allow data.
 It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that
 communicate


 There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using
 illegal 1
 watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post
 Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a
 repeater
 with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued.
 When he got
 caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got
 deeper and
 deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM.
 Since he
 had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a
 day.
 Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little
 easier on
 the wallet.  Anyway, the provider went out of business.

 You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The
 Company was
 Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

 Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and
 generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum
 is
 available than just ISM.

 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 On 4/24/2010 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Whats the diff?



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Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

[Philip Dorr]

HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than
unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of
1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave
oven.  HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz.

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the
 2.4ghz band???

 And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment
 certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt
 transmitter and un-intentionally cause us interference and there is nothing
 we can do about it because a HAM is a licensed user and we are UN-LICENSED.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of ralphlists
 Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:27 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

 Not exactly correct.

 You do not want to run under the ISP service!  It does not allow data.
 It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that communicate


 There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1
 watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post
 Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a repeater
 with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued.  When he got
 caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got deeper and
 deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM.  Since he
 had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a day.
 Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little easier on
 the wallet.  Anyway, the provider went out of business.

 You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The Company was
 Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

 Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and
 generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum is
 available than just ISM.

 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 On 4/24/2010 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Whats the diff?



 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

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 787.273.4143






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

[Philip Dorr]

49MHz is not an ISM frequency

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Patrick Shoemaker
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote:
 Thanks for the clarification.

 When you say does not allow data, do you mean spread spectrum
 communications? For example, isn't the little slice of unlicensed
 spectrum at 49 MHz an ISM band? There are plenty of devices that use
 that for non spread spectrum data transmission. Or is this another
 case of using the term ISM too loosely?

 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 ralphlists wrote:
 Not exactly correct.

 You do not want to run under the ISP service!  It does not allow data.
 It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that communicate


 There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1
 watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post
 Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a repeater
 with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued.  When he got
 caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got deeper and
 deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM.  Since he
 had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a day.
 Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little easier on
 the wallet.  Anyway, the provider went out of business.

 You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The Company was
 Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII

 Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and
 generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum is
 available than just ISM.

 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 On 4/24/2010 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Whats the diff?



 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Philip Dorr]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:
 So, I have a friend that tried that once.

 It can be pretty hard to get decent speed with bittorrent on a stock system.
 Lots of different clients, all requesting different data. Plays havoc
 on drives. Need plenty of cache. RAID0 disk array, etc.

A RAM Disk should work.  Rather easy to setup in Linux to test with.

 On top of that the linux distributions didn't seem to have that much
 demand, relatively speaking (FTP mirror sites across peering seem to
 perform better for me).
 To actually get enough demand to drive the throughput we wanted we had
 to resort to unmentionable yet far more popular content.

Get a Linux Distro, like Ubuntu, on release day.

 But yes, quite fun to take something common and tune it to perform at
 uncommon loads.

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Torrents will fill capacity much better.  Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
 etc.  Share the wealth!

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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 that counts.”
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 I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
 a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
 see if it's up to snuff.

 Thanks in advance.

 Marco

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Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

[Philip Dorr]

Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin
rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start
charring around a HDD and screwdriver.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into
 to keep things private.  Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the
 boot order and put an admin password on the bios.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

 Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found
 http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and
 the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that
 pc did.  Still wont stop the Zune.


 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

 Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and
 such.  There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks
 down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows
 vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings.  But none of
 them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's.  You will need a account with OpenDNS and
 install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right.  There
 are ways you can bypass this for your use.  But knowing the teacher you are
 on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings.  As
 the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way.

 I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my
 clients.  Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com
 Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

 Hi All,

 Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden from having email
 addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from having myspace,
 facebook etc. sites.

 If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on.

 If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can
 delete things from.

 I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might
 bite them in the butt later.  The days of people eventually forgetting the
 stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.

 Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used a hotmail email
 address to get it.  He had permission to use neither of them.  I finally
 found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been
 saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got

 the password out of him and when I had time to check on it.  (I didn't know
 that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and

 work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)

 So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted

 information.  I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had
 no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden
 from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address.

 They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue.  However
 they flatly refused to provide me with any information!  They had NO
 proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify that the child was over

 18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account
 information!  go get it from your teen is basically what I was told.

 WTF is this???  Absolutly amazing.

 So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these
 days?

 thanks
 marlon



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

[Philip Dorr]

It is in the forums

http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19866
http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19867

Be careful using it in production environments, it is a beta and may have bugs.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:
 Michael,

 Do you have a link to the firmware? It is not listed at their website.

 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:12:14 -0400

Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you
upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums.

Regards
Michael Baird
 I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working
 great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but
 poor signal, dropped packets,  low throughput. Replacing them with
 regular units fix the issue. What gives?

 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com  wrote:

 After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and
 the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated
 antenna series.  We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of
 them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where
 distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem.  We
 just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some
 short range backhauls.

 Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we
 set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at
 -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night.
 Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to
 install the other one.  It would not see or connect to the other Nano
 Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more
 generous 5.7/8 frequency range.  Gradually turning off the WDS, then the
 WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary
 beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a
 pretty foul mood over the new gear.  I'm about to RMA all of it and go
 back to just bullets and Rockets.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti made no points today

[Philip Dorr]

It could be the same board minus the voltage regulator.  And the new
production line will have the regulator.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Scott Carullo
sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
 If its the same board why is it a completely different power
 configuration?

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
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 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti made no points today

 Hmm Interesting..

 My first Airgird , I assembled it wrong, I put the Radio in the center at
 90deg of what it should have been, and was not able to see any signal from
 the Rocket M5's.
 It had an accident, fell flat on it's face on concrete and broke the
 Radio..
 The 2nd Airgrid I tested was the smaller one, that was able to see the
 signal from the Rocket M5, but was very very sensitive to allignment... We
 were testing at 8.8 miles...

 Also tested the Nanobridge very sensitive and difficult to align, very
 narrow beamwidth... We don't have a clean LOS on this link (we do have two
 Rocket M5's working with 2ft Dishes, working very well...), however the
 Nanobridge could hear the Rocket M5 w/ 16db 90deg (smaller sector), but the
 Pannel was having trouble hearing the NanoBridge...

 For testing, I switched to the lower band and turned up the power, and was
 able to establish a link... since we were testing, I did not leave it
 up...plus chalked off poor link in the normal 5.8 band due to not a clean
 LOS and interference... Need to do some more testing at a 2-4 mile link to
 get some conclusive answers.

 Some of the folks on the UBNT list have reported the NanoBridge they
 recieved working on lower band but not working properly on the higher side
 of the band...

 I would suggest that you do some testing at distance greater than inside
 the office to something less than 4 miles... to get an idea of what exactly
 is going on

 The btw, the board inside the Airgird is the same board as what is inside
 the Bullet M...

 Faisal

 -- Original Message --
 From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:01:21 -0700

After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and
the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated
antenna series.  We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of
them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where
distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem.  We
just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some
short range backhauls.

Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we
set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at
-50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night.
Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to
install the other one.  It would not see or connect to the other Nano
Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more
generous 5.7/8 frequency range.  Gradually turning off the WDS, then the
WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary
beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a
pretty foul mood over the new gear.  I'm about to RMA all of it and go
back to just bullets and Rockets.

Forbes


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released

[Philip Dorr]

No, and the 2.4GHz cannot and will not analyze 5.8GHz

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I have not played with the M series yet.  Will the 5.8 units analyze 2.4 as 
 well?

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released

 UBNT Beta 5.2.4 was released yesterday.  (Stop the eye rolling.!  J )





 I'm cautious with the Betas so I'm trying the new UBNT AirOS Beta firmware on 
 a couple of unused AP radios out in the field.



 The Beta has the AirView Spectrum Analyzer in it now.  Works darned good, 
 looks just like the software for the little AirView devices we use.  This one 
 lets me set the channel scan from 4900 to 6400, gives you the ability to 
 control whatever range you want to monitor.  Nice and smooth.  Downfall is 
 that if you do a spectral scan it takes the radio out of whatever mode you 
 have and it drops the use of the antenna for anything other than the 
 analyzer.  Expected and understandable, however.  No problem with that.



 It now has the ability to set Static Routes.  It's about time!  I will be 
 playing with that little feature, off network of course, for the next couple 
 of days.



 And I can now manually set the time zone and date.  I would have thought that 
 to be a no brainer from the get go but it's finally included.



 Still waiting for VPN functions.  I can always dream.



 Anyone trying it?  Let me know if you find any issues, I'm waiting for a bit 
 to see what shakes out before I jump in 100%.







 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] monitoring product (was Re: Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released)

[Philip Dorr]

You could use APRS weather stations nearby your tower or even put up your own.

http://aprs.fi/

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:
 We have a setup for this. I use a carpc
 http://www.mini-box.com The VoomPC-2-Car-PC is the one we use currently.
 Put debian linux on it, with a davis weather station and usb link. Then I
 have a perl script that collects data from the weather station, and have
 SNMP running to gather other data from each site. Has Cacti running on them
 for data collection and well as syslog. Each carpc has an 80 gig HD and
 gig of ram.I have a few that have 802.11 cards or USB sticks on them for
 some basic stuff like freq monitoring etc.. All done with linux.. Best of
 all its 12 volt and these work well in harsher environments.

 Thanks
 Ryan

 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote:

 This makes me think about a cool product someone needs to produce. Some
 sort of device that could be deployed at a wireless colocation site that
 would simply listen on a variety of bands and collect weather information.
 The device would make all this data available via some reasonable API;
 possibly SNMP. Then a monitoring system to collect this data and graph it
 historically. This would allow the operator to have a much better view of
 the environment for which their network is operating in.

 -Matt

 On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:00 AM, John Scrivner wrote:

  I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
  each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower
 location.
  How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

[Philip Dorr]

Actually it is a Ubiquti radio and the power supply does not need to
be 48 volts, 9-48 works fine for the Gateworks board (Avila GW2348-2).
 We had moisture get in the ethernet jack and burn the pins when it
was using 48 volts, so we switched to a Ubiquti 15 volt adapter and
have not had any problems yet.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Patrick Cole z...@amused.net wrote:
 I would steer well clear of that UBNT bridge for something as critical
 as you describe.  At the price point it just screams disaster.

 I've not used the Ligowave MIMO radios however I have used the LigoPTP 5-N
 and I was a little disappointed.  The lack of QoS is a definite negative.

 We had one of the endpoints on the link burn out and die within 2 months.

 I also had major problems with the encryption on them, which support
 never seemed to be able to resolve.    When they try to link up,
 it could take like a minute and other times it might take 20 minutes
 before the link establishes with encryption on.  Unacceptable in
 a carrier network.

 They do however perform at the advertised 70Mbps real world throughput
 in a 40MHz channel and the PPS performance is good.

 If you crack open the 5-N you actually see it has a Mikrotik badged
 radio in it.

 I have a pair of Proxim Tsunami QB-8100 bridges on the way for
 testing.  I didn't get much feedback from the list about how these
 go, but having looked through the manual, they seem extremely
 configurable and excellent QoS features; they even have the ability
 to inspect the contents of PPPoE frames and match on the IP packet
 inside.   I will let you know how they turn out.

 Pat

 Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:45:23AM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:


 OK I just got off the phone with a salesman that was discouraging me away 
 from UBNT rockets for this link. I will be running 4 towers through this 
 link with 270 clients.  His concern was that they had learned of a 20,000 
 packet per sec limit compared to Ligowave @ 75,000 packets.  Now I am 
 looking at going to VOIP and the Packet count is going to be huge.  Is this 
 a legit concern. How can you find Rocket Packet ability.

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Re: [WISPA] Bit Cap Thresholds, etc

[Philip Dorr]

Even at 56Kbps, if a client was using all of their bandwidth 24/7 they
could do ~15GB in a 30 day month.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:02 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Marlon,

 Out of curiosity, do you know your total capacity available to each of
 your subs? Can they ALL actually get 10gigs/month if they ALL tried to
 do it? To be honest, I have not taken the time to figure out this
 number for my network which is part of the reason I shy away from
 going to by the bit pricing even though I've been a long proponent of
 it.

 -RickG

 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:24 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Bit Cap Thresholds, etc


I have a few questions for those of you who sell bandwidth by the byte:

 1. What is the threshold you use, ie, 3Gb in 30 days, or do you have
 different packages?

 10 gigs per month for wireless.  20 gigs for fiber customers.

 Business users that pay more get more.  However, the ones that insist on
 allowing radio on the computers etc. usually end up paying even more yet.
 We try to set a level above what they use in a normal month then cut them a
 little bit of a break on the normal billing amount.

 2. Is this total bytes in  out or just in?

 Total.  Combined.  WE pay for it both ways.

 3. What do you charge for overages?

 $5 per gig.  If they go over by more than 10 gigs we'll normally work to cut
 them some kind of a break.  Again, the expectation is that it's got to more
 than pay for the additional costs.

 Don't forget the costs of AP wide slowdowns for everyone else.  If that
 starts to happen and you loose the easy customers you have to add ap's to
 the tower.  That costs both money AND spectrum.

 We've started an overbuild with additional bands for our heavy sites.  We
 charge more for the install and the service, but that gives the gamers/high
 end customers someplace to go.  AND we make SURE that service from that
 system is the BEST in the area we're in.

 4. Have you considered just throttling back customers like the satellite
 guys do?

 Yeah.  But there is no money in that.

 It's also not what our service is based upon.  Our service runs as fast as
 we can make it go.  Up to 10 mbps in both directions for as little as $35
 per month.  Those who pay more are paying for reliability not speed.

 The other thing to think about is human nature.  People do what people do.
 To them, by and large, if they want to download a 100 meg windows update
 they will do it no matter what.  If they want a 700meg WOW demo, they'll go
 get it.  If you slow them down they'll use the system much longer.

 So instead of getting them on and off the air in, oh say 10 minutes, they
 might be there for 2 hours.  The chances of another high capacity project
 happening on the network go up a LOT when the users are on the air for a
 longer period of time.

 make sense?
 marlon


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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Philip Dorr]

to find some other hamfests you can use http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
 May. Anyone else going?
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Philip Dorr]

Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
 not first taken?

 funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.


 Im with you MDK


 On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:

 The really big wave of mass stupidity.

 I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
 fingers on
 ANYTHING.    There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
 expensive,
 cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
 know
 absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.

 Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
 is not
 a disaster of Biblical proportions.     You can't.    Absolutely
 everything
 they try to do for us is so horrible it's beyond insane.




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Re: [WISPA] Using the 2nd port on a PS2?

[Philip Dorr]

The secondary port on the PS2 is just another ethernet port, it does
not have any POE (in or out, AFAIK).  You can use it to align the
antenna better using a netbook and the web UI alignment tool.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Has anyone found anything useful to do with the 2nd port on a PS2? I'm 
 finding very little information on that port on the 'net. Does it share the 
 PS2's POE?

 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

[Philip Dorr]

We use two fiber transceivers and a jumper on our ethernet when we
want to have electrical isolation.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've seen a telephone (copper pair) optoisolator which had a short piece of 
 fiberoptic cable inside. Each circuit on both sides of the cable had their 
 own highly isolated power supplies. This was the only thing that worked in 
 the Amazon region to stop phone equipment from getting wiped out during the 
 intense electrical storms. The beauty of this device was it didn't require a 
 first class ground system to work, in fact it didn't require any ground. A 
 ground would just present up a difference in potential between the phone line 
 and ground and encourage destruction. The telco side of this thing would just 
 float at what ever potential the telco's lines were presenting and the on 
 site equipment on the other side of this thing never saw that potential. Has 
 anyone seen such a thing for Ethernet?

 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] Protecting Radio Equiment from Coronal Mass Ejections

[Philip Dorr]

A CME will/should only affect objects larger than ~20 meters. It may
not effect the equipment, and the tower should already be grounded.

The only way to preotect the equipment diffrently, would be taking it
off of the tower.

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:32 AM, St. Louis Broadband
li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 Sorry for the Scifi thread but we know that this has happened in the past
 when we had very few birds in the air and were not as dependent on this
 equipment.

 Since we are now witnessing the Sun going into a Solar Maximum and some
 amazing filaments that NASA seems to be concerned about, I have a question
 about protecting radio equipment.

 I recently saw a video of a fellow protecting his vehicle by removing the
 battery and bolting both the +/- cables together grounding the vehicle.

 Is there a way to ground a tower and equipment attached to the tower this
 way?
 Of course a big faraday cage is what we would need...lol, but that is not
 too rational.
 Is there a way to create some sort of drop dead switch to protect the gear?

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Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

[Philip Dorr]

My brother got on my email!  I need to log out/lock the computer when
I step away.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
 Philip,

 I don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic with your comment to
 vote them out of life but IMO your comment is both ridiculous and
 irresponsible. I ask that you try to contribute in a more responsible
 fashion to this list.

 jack


 Philip Dorr wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
 wrote:


 On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:



 And to add, I thought the Broadband Stimulus was to make more broadband
 available. The telco's have everything already handed to them and have not
 done it in years. Now the gov't wants to make this available only to one
 provider in a given area? Who do you think will get that? WTH? I think we
 need to vote every elected person out of office now! Oh wait, money talks!


 They just get replaced by someone else who does the same thing for
 essentially the same reasons (ie, our political system doesn't reward them
 for taking care of folks like us, essentially). So what's the point of
 bothering to vote them out of office?


 Instead we should vote them and the companies that pay them out of life.



 Chuck




 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:50:17 -0500



 As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete with
 me.
 As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant
 afford all this?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:


 FCC to propose revamping Universal Service Fund
 AP


 By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology
 Writer – Fri Mar 5, 5:25 pm ET

 WASHINGTON – Federal regulators trying to bring high-speed Internet
 connections to all Americans will propose tapping the government
 program that now subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural areas.

 The Federal Communications Commission will include a proposal to
 revamp the Universal Service Fund as part of a national broadband plan
 due to Congress on March 17. Although the proposal itself has been
 expected for months, Friday's announcement offered the first solid
 details.

 The FCC said it envisions transforming the Universal Service program
 over the next decade to pay for high-speed Internet access instead of
 the traditional voice services that it currently finances. The
 proposal would create a Connect America fund inside the Universal
 Service program to subsidize broadband, and a Mobility Fund to expand
 the reach of so-called 3G, or third-generation, wireless networks.

 It's time to migrate this 20th-century program, said Blair Levin,
 the FCC official overseeing the broadband plan, which was mandated by
 last year's stimulus bill. We need to move the current system from
 the traditional networks to the new networks.

 The Universal Service Fund was established to ensure that all
 Americans have access to a basic telephone line. Today, the program
 subsidizes phone service for the poor, funds Internet access in
 schools and libraries and pays for high-speed connections for rural
 health clinics. But its biggest function is to bring telephone service
 to remote, sparsely populated corners of the country, where it is
 uneconomical for the private companies to build networks.

 Funding for the $8-billion-a-year program comes from a surcharge that
 businesses and consumers pay on their long-distance bills. That
 revenue base is shrinking, placing the Universal Service Fund under
 mounting pressure even as the FCC seeks to use it to subsidize
 broadband.

 The agency's plan will lay out several options to pay for the
 proposals it outlined Friday, including one that would require no
 additional money from Congress and one that would accelerate the
 construction of broadband networks if Congress approves a one-time
 injection of $9 billion.

 Either way, Levin stressed, the proposal would not increase the annual
 size of the Universal Service Fund, but rather would take money from
 subsidies now used for voice services.

 The FCC would also seek to save money by subsidizing no more than one
 broadband provider in an areas. Some critics of the program have
 complained that wireless companies now overlay landline systems with
 new networks considered duplicative.

 Levin said Connect America would not favor one technology over
 another, be it cable, DSL or wireless.

 The FCC proposal also envisions revamping the multibillion-dollar
 intercarrier compensation system, the Byzantine menu of charges that
 telecom carriers pay to access each other's networks and connect
 calls. Any changes to the Universal Service Fund would also require
 changes to intercarrier compensation because rural phone companies
 tend to rely heavily on both

Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

[Philip Dorr]

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote:

 On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:


 And to add, I thought the Broadband Stimulus was to make more broadband 
 available. The telco's have everything already handed to them and have not 
 done it in years. Now the gov't wants to make this available only to one 
 provider in a given area? Who do you think will get that? WTH? I think we 
 need to vote every elected person out of office now! Oh wait, money talks!

 They just get replaced by someone else who does the same thing for 
 essentially the same reasons (ie, our political system doesn't reward them 
 for taking care of folks like us, essentially). So what's the point of 
 bothering to vote them out of office?

Instead we should vote them and the companies that pay them out of life.


 Chuck



 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:50:17 -0500

 As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete 
 with me.
 As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant
 afford all this?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
 FCC to propose revamping Universal Service Fund
 AP


 By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology
 Writer – Fri Mar 5, 5:25 pm ET

 WASHINGTON – Federal regulators trying to bring high-speed Internet
 connections to all Americans will propose tapping the government
 program that now subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural areas.

 The Federal Communications Commission will include a proposal to
 revamp the Universal Service Fund as part of a national broadband plan
 due to Congress on March 17. Although the proposal itself has been
 expected for months, Friday's announcement offered the first solid
 details.

 The FCC said it envisions transforming the Universal Service program
 over the next decade to pay for high-speed Internet access instead of
 the traditional voice services that it currently finances. The
 proposal would create a Connect America fund inside the Universal
 Service program to subsidize broadband, and a Mobility Fund to expand
 the reach of so-called 3G, or third-generation, wireless networks.

 It's time to migrate this 20th-century program, said Blair Levin,
 the FCC official overseeing the broadband plan, which was mandated by
 last year's stimulus bill. We need to move the current system from
 the traditional networks to the new networks.

 The Universal Service Fund was established to ensure that all
 Americans have access to a basic telephone line. Today, the program
 subsidizes phone service for the poor, funds Internet access in
 schools and libraries and pays for high-speed connections for rural
 health clinics. But its biggest function is to bring telephone service
 to remote, sparsely populated corners of the country, where it is
 uneconomical for the private companies to build networks.

 Funding for the $8-billion-a-year program comes from a surcharge that
 businesses and consumers pay on their long-distance bills. That
 revenue base is shrinking, placing the Universal Service Fund under
 mounting pressure even as the FCC seeks to use it to subsidize
 broadband.

 The agency's plan will lay out several options to pay for the
 proposals it outlined Friday, including one that would require no
 additional money from Congress and one that would accelerate the
 construction of broadband networks if Congress approves a one-time
 injection of $9 billion.

 Either way, Levin stressed, the proposal would not increase the annual
 size of the Universal Service Fund, but rather would take money from
 subsidies now used for voice services.

 The FCC would also seek to save money by subsidizing no more than one
 broadband provider in an areas. Some critics of the program have
 complained that wireless companies now overlay landline systems with
 new networks considered duplicative.

 Levin said Connect America would not favor one technology over
 another, be it cable, DSL or wireless.

 The FCC proposal also envisions revamping the multibillion-dollar
 intercarrier compensation system, the Byzantine menu of charges that
 telecom carriers pay to access each other's networks and connect
 calls. Any changes to the Universal Service Fund would also require
 changes to intercarrier compensation because rural phone companies
 tend to rely heavily on both funding sources.

 The FCC's latest proposals will be part of a sweeping national roadmap
 for bringing universal, affordable broadband connections to all
 Americans.

 Although the plan is due on March 17, the agency has already begun
 releasing details, including a proposal to make more wireless spectrum
 available for mobile broadband connections by letting television
 broadcasters and others voluntarily cede some airwaves.

 

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

[Philip Dorr]

APC Makes Serial cables for their UPSs.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB
 port.  No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS.  sigh

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM
 To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

 On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a
 routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram.
 I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules,
 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I
 have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem
 averages around 50 Meg.

 If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new,
 not, yet available, RB1100.

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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Philip Dorr]

One of the comments in the thread for that post said that the sysadmin
did not ignore the hostages, he left them so that they did not cause
problems.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 The weird sense of duty really good sysadmins have can border on the
 sociopathic, but it's nice to know that it stands between the forces of
 darkness and your cat blog's servers.

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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Philip Dorr]

Do you know the test strength of the rope?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:
 As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
 WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.

 If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.


 ROPE FOR SALE

 I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
 roll,
 all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.

 This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
 special
 yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)

 Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.

 Did I mention it was NEW old stock?

 Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
 can
 he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
 INSANE!

 We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.

 Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
 can
 deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
 Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
 also

 Rope is located in southern Missouri.

 Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.

 Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.

 Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773

 *

 Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
 storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute
 failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
 rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
 that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
 such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
 way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
 NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
 prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.

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Re: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

[Philip Dorr]

That is almost asking to win a Darwin award.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:
 My other favorite picture is when someone puts a ladder in a bucket,
 elevates it then climbs further... truly Darwinian..

 On 3/3/2010 6:50 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
 OK...  I think this is self explanatory.

 I looked real good in the other pictures but I don't see Marlon
 anywhere  ROFLOL!

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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

export to file
edit the file and change the MAC to the original
import from file

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
 question many times.

 Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?

 On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
 get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...

 On 3/2/10, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
 Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and sets
 it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
 WordPad, save the file and then import it.

 Greg Ihnen wrote:
 Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way
 it
 would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
 anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
 x86
 hardware) that won't work in the RB750?

 Thanks!
 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 Greg,

 Yes there is

 /ip address export file=ipaddr86
 /ip route export file=iprout86

 Then...

 /import file=iproute86.rsc
 /import file=ipaddr86.rsc

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 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
 world.

 The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
 me
 there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
 the
 routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a
 destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
 modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With
 that
 one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
 it
 all
 works.

 But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
 then
 configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if
 I
 take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load
 that
 and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't
 work!
 The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't
 know
 if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just
 have
 to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.

 What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an
 RB750.

 Thanks to all who replied.

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:


 Did you set the correct default route on the 750?

 Greg Ihnen wrote:

 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The

 modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port
 (Eth1
 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't
 access
 or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem
 but
 not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea
 what
 this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have
 at
 another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on
 Eth1,
 manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but
 nothing beyond it.

 Thanks in advance.

 Greg




 

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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already 
 overwrote it?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 export to file
 edit the file and change the MAC to the original
 import from file

 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
 question many times.

 Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?

 On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
 get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...

 On 3/2/10, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
 Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and sets
 it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
 WordPad, save the file and then import it.

 Greg Ihnen wrote:
 Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way
 it
 would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
 anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
 x86
 hardware) that won't work in the RB750?

 Thanks!
 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 Greg,

 Yes there is

 /ip address export file=ipaddr86
 /ip route export file=iprout86

 Then...

 /import file=iproute86.rsc
 /import file=ipaddr86.rsc

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
 world.

 The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
 me
 there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
 the
 routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a
 destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
 modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With
 that
 one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
 it
 all
 works.

 But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
 then
 configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if
 I
 take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load
 that
 and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't
 work!
 The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't
 know
 if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just
 have
 to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.

 What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an
 RB750.

 Thanks to all who replied.

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:


 Did you set the correct default route on the 750?

 Greg Ihnen wrote:

 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The

 modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port
 (Eth1
 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't
 access
 or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem
 but
 not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea
 what
 this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have
 at
 another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on
 Eth1,
 manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but
 nothing beyond it.

 Thanks in advance.

 Greg




 

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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs

Example for a 5 port Routerboard
00:0C:42:13:02:B7
...
00:0C:42:13:02:BB


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device

 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already 
 overwrote it?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 export to file
 edit the file and change the MAC to the original
 import from file

 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
 question many times.

 Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?

 On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
 get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...

 On 3/2/10, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
 Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and 
 sets
 it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
 WordPad, save the file and then import it.

 Greg Ihnen wrote:
 Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That 
 way
 it
 would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
 anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
 x86
 hardware) that won't work in the RB750?

 Thanks!
 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 Greg,

 Yes there is

 /ip address export file=ipaddr86
 /ip route export file=iprout86

 Then...

 /import file=iproute86.rsc
 /import file=ipaddr86.rsc

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
 world.

 The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
 me
 there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
 the
 routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route 
 with a
 destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
 modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. 
 With
 that
 one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
 it
 all
 works.

 But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
 then
 configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But 
 if
 I
 take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and 
 load
 that
 and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't
 work!
 The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I 
 don't
 know
 if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I 
 just
 have
 to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.

 What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an
 RB750.

 Thanks to all who replied.

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:


 Did you set the correct default route on the 750?

 Greg Ihnen wrote:

 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. 
 The

 modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN 
 port
 (Eth1
 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I 
 can't
 access
 or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the 
 modem
 but
 not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any 
 idea
 what
 this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I 
 have
 at
 another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP 
 on
 Eth1,
 manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem 
 but
 nothing beyond it.

 Thanks in advance.

 Greg




 

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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Philip Dorr]

Me...

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Who looks at the sticker on an installed router :(

 On 3/2/10, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote:
 it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs

 Example for a 5 port Routerboard
 00:0C:42:13:02:B7
 ...
 00:0C:42:13:02:BB


 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device

 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already
 overwrote it?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 export to file
 edit the file and change the MAC to the original
 import from file

 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
 question many times.

 Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?

 On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template
 and
 get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...

 On 3/2/10, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
 Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and
 sets
 it on the new device.  You can just delete the
 MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
 WordPad, save the file and then import it.

 Greg Ihnen wrote:
 Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue?
 That way
 it
 would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is
 there
 anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to
 the
 x86
 hardware) that won't work in the RB750?

 Thanks!
 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 Greg,

 Yes there is

 /ip address export file=ipaddr86
 /ip route export file=iprout86

 Then...

 /import file=iproute86.rsc
 /import file=ipaddr86.rsc

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
 world.

 The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for
 pointing
 me
 there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look
 at
 the
 routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route
 with a
 destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53
 (the
 modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10.
 With
 that
 one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes
 and
 it
 all
 works.

 But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750
 and
 then
 configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above.
 But if
 I
 take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and
 load
 that
 and then set everything right (including the routes) it still
 won't
 work!
 The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I
 don't
 know
 if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I
 just
 have
 to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.

 What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on
 an
 RB750.

 Thanks to all who replied.

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:


 Did you set the correct default route on the 750?

 Greg Ihnen wrote:

 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my
 first. The

 modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN
 port
 (Eth1
 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I
 can't
 access
 or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the
 modem
 but
 not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have
 any idea
 what
 this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I
 have
 at
 another location, edited the config so it was no longer using
 DHCP on
 Eth1,
 manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the
 modem but
 nothing beyond it.

 Thanks in advance.

 Greg




 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- but not forWISP's that's for sure.

[Philip Dorr]

What if all the wispa members put in $200 (or $2000) to buy the space?

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Yup.   Auction = huge dollars, the kind none of us have.



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 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:33 PM
 To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org
 memb...@wispa.org; Motorla List Beehive motor...@afmug.com
 Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not
 forWISP's that's for sure.

 This plan also looks real bad for white spaces ---

 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless

     By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward

 WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national
 broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next
 decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

 transfers
 is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
 fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
 things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
 available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
 happy.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
 majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
 that needs to be supported.

 Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
 http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors

 MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.

 *nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.

 These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask,
 without
 answer, for other examples.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

  I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.
 
  We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
  the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
  sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
  APs.
 
  On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
   Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
   under oath saying you torrented?
  
   On 2/14/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
   We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But
 allowing
   means no 24 hour downloading.
  
   Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via
 torrent.
  
   Bob-
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
   Behalf Of RickG
   Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
  
   Even though our AUP  TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
   demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
   being over
    zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
   -RickG
  
  
  
 


 
   
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

/government to
 step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or
 especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and
 very
 upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it
 in
 a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign
 it
 but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep
 waters.
 I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle
 it
 and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps
 shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data
 transfers
 is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
 fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
 things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
 available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
 happy.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
 majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
 that needs to be supported.

 Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
 http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors

 MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.

 *nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.

 These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask,
 without
 answer, for other examples.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.

 We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
 the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
 sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
 APs.

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
  under oath saying you torrented?
 
  On 2/14/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
  We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But
  allowing
  means no 24 hour downloading.
 
  Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via
  torrent.
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
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  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
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  Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
 
  Even though our AUP  TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
  demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
  being over
   zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.

We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
APs.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
 under oath saying you torrented?

 On 2/14/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But allowing
 means no 24 hour downloading.

 Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via torrent.

 Bob-



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 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents

 Even though our AUP  TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
 demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
 being over
  zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Philip Dorr]

I also get TV shows from the UK and anime, with English subtitles, a
couple of days after it airs in Japan.

The reason I get My Linux ISOs via bittorrent, is that I get them on
release day and the HTTP/FTP servers go down.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
 majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
 that needs to be supported.

 Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
 http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors

 MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.

 *nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.

 These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, without
 answer, for other examples.

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 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.

 We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
 the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
 sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
 APs.

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
  under oath saying you torrented?
 
  On 2/14/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
  We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But allowing
  means no 24 hour downloading.
 
  Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via torrent.
 
  Bob-
 
 
 
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  Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
 
  Even though our AUP  TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
  demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
  being over
   zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Philip Dorr]

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/2217239/Windows-Patch-Leaves-Many-XP-Users-With-Blue-Screens

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 Had the same problem with my windows XP64 workstation.  boot rfrom cd into
 repair consol and roll things back a week

 Steve Barnes wrote:

 For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
 our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
 safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
 computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer work.
 Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found no fix but
 a windows reload.

 This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


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Re: [WISPA] Google to run small ISPs out of business? WAS: is Google our next competitor?

[Philip Dorr]

That is almost 3 years old, and I still have not received my installation kit.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 It is official

 Google has already started !

 As shown on the official Google TISP website:



 Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?

 Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
 broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP self-
 installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
 spindle, wireless router and installation CD.


 http://www.google.com/tisp/

 One thing I will say - they sure have a sense of humor !


 
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Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

[Philip Dorr]

Android 1.6 and newer can do VPN natively and with a app you can do VNC

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:14 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
 Droid can do RDP and VPN

 John

 Brad Belton wrote:
 I used to remote desktop from my Sprint Touch phone (and earlier models
 too).  However, a year or more ago I saw one of the guys here running remote
 desktop on his iPhone and was blown away how much better it worked than my
 HTC Touch.  I punted the Touch for an iPhone and couldn't be happier with
 everything across the board.  The iPhone is hands down the best phone I've
 ever had...and it isn't even the newer S model.

 There are two iPhone apps that I downloaded to run RDC a year or more ago.
 There may be more today.  WinAdmin  RDP.  I forget which was free or maybe
 neither was free, but I prefer WinAdmin over RDP on the iPhone.

 Best,


 Brad


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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:53 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

 Do any of the mobile phone platforms support VPN at all from the phone
 itself?  Any have a Remote Desktop client?


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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

[Philip Dorr]

Only a half hour drive for me to KC, so I am in. :-)

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Sounds like a road trip.  Weekend party with Eje in KC.

 Who's with me?



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the
 fun of meeting up with you guys.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM
 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 I feel as if I could have written that same post.  I'm much
 saddened.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 I like Ham  Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City.

 Pulled pork is my favorite!

 :-)

 -B-
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 I would love for it to be during HAM.

 Right around the corner from me.

 On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so
 much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort
 of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more
 people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us
 WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
 that our members would all like to go to.    They are going to do it on
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.    Those are strong
 positives.

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
 the project.    Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.    We
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing
 on our own.

 All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so
 that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to
 happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to
 get a show put on.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Philip Dorr]

5% Truman

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
 President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
 20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?



 Marco

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
 need him?!!!  :)

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

 You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.

 Now he's really pissing me off.

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 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
 things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
 the
 net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
 attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
 connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
 attempt to hack into our networks.
 -RickG

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com
 wrote:

  From NewsMax:
 
  Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
 
  Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
  By: Bradley A. Blakeman
 
  Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
  U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
 today.
 
  Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
 Web
  from the United States to foreign powers.
 
  Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
 of
  Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
  working
  for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
  Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
 of
  open-architecture networking.
 
  This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
  Internet.
 
  These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
 worldwide
  computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
 and
  how we communicate in it.
 
  They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
  (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
  servers would allow users to communicate with others.
 
  The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
  identifier
  and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
 to
  computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
 process
  of communication became know as the information super highway, aka,
 the
  Internet.
 
  Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
  sharing,
  cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
 set
  off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
  the
  U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
 
  The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
  management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
  service the Internet.
 
  Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
  Assigned
  Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
  Department
  of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
  addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
 
  In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
  person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
 
  For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
  States
  to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
  international body such as the United Nations or even the International
  Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
  telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
 behalf
  of all nations.
 
  The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
  Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and
 a
  dependent form of international communications, that it would be
 dangerous
  and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
 
  Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
  administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
  some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration
 has
  agreed to give greater representation to foreign 

Re: [WISPA] power

[Philip Dorr]

Then turn the transmit power down on you CPEs, don't create multipath

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Having a radio screaming at an ap also tends to affect other cpe's by
 desensitizing your ap. Just what I have experienced in my deployment.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:

 That's not a good idea.  You will create multipath interference,
 which will
 have an overall negative impact.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower.
 I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away
 running
 high -70's.
 If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their
 throughput?
 What about using an attenuator and padding it down some?
 Thanks! -RickG

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen
 n...@brevardwireless.com wrote:

 Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to
 -65 range.
 Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around
 there. As
 its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other
 interference.

 Nick Olsen
 Network Engineer / Customer Support
 (321) 205-1100 x106

 

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 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] power

 Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
 level
 is?
 I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
 population.  Use
 a
 pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
 Check
 your
 polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
 radio.  My
 grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] power

 OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters
 around
 by
 using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the
 AP.
 Today,
 I
 installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
 from
 the
 AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the
 power, he
 got
 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
 trial
 basis
 or is there some kind of method to it?
 -RickG





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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Philip Dorr]

I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course
there wold have to actually be more than our current two party
majority system.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I have not voted to this day, to be honest.

 It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

 Josh

 How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
 matters?

 I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.

 Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!


 On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
 
  Now he's really pissing me off.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
  continue
  that counts.”
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
  (USA) give
  things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
  case of the
  net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
  used to
  attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
  everyone
  connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
  or
  attempt to hack into our networks.
  -RickG
 
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-
  access.com
  wrote:
 
  From NewsMax:
 
  Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
 
  Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
  By: Bradley A. Blakeman
 
  Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
  investment of
  U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
  today.
 
  Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
  the
  Web
  from the United States to foreign powers.
 
  Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
  genius work
  of
  Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
  working
  for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
  Projects
  Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
  the idea
  of
  open-architecture networking.
 
  This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
  the
  Internet.
 
  These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
  worldwide
  computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
  world
  and
  how we communicate in it.
 
  They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
  (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
  network of
  servers would allow users to communicate with others.
 
  The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
  identifier
  and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
  computer to
  computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
  process
  of communication became know as the information super highway,
  aka, the
  Internet.
 
  Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
  sharing,
  cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
  administration
  set
  off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the
  Internet by
  the
  U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
 
  The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
  management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers
  that
  service the Internet.
 
  Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
  Assigned
  Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
  Department
  of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the
  DNS, IP
  addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
 
  In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet
  protocols, a
  person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
 
  For years, the international community has been pressuring the
  United
  States
  to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want
  an
  international body such as the United Nations or even the
  International
  Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
  telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
  behalf
  of all nations.
 
  The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
  Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful,
  pervasive, and
  a
  dependent form of international communications, that it would be
  dangerous
  and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.