Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium
Tycon power have 24v to 48v dc to dc poe converters as well power converters that would do the trick for you. /Eje Sent from Samsung tablet Original message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: 04/06/2013 11:30 (GMT-06:00) To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium That's my issue. DC sites are all 24v. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 6, 2013 12:11 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi Josh I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a real technical need Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum Thank you Ya...better. Different voltage though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrancesco@**level7.itpaolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi all I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is using them with success. Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti will implement that sooner or later... Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the improvements :) Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-**8776432 web: http://www.level7.it __**_ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/**mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] interference from ships
Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen don't offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the ship and not somewhere else. If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to check with them what it might be. Dont forget to shut down your own AP while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships Plug the damn hole! - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :) Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it? http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/ On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a few days for repairs. http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20 to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of power output would cause it to come in at about -50. Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first drilling ship to visit our area. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
The metal cap adds a whooping 1.2dB really not worth bothering with IMO. Only reason they provide it is because people where used to the Andrew dish that basically requires it the Andrew dishs suffers greatly without the metal cap. For some time now the bigger Pac (Laird) grids all are shipping with a much more heavy duty L bracket then the old ones. I had a FCC certification lab test out one of the 24dB's about 2 years back and according to them the unit did measure in very close to 24dB. The linked feedhorn and grid is a Pac 5GHz grid so if used on 2.4GHz I'm amazed that you get the gain out of the solution consider the feed is NOT designed for 2.4GHz. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Oh I do not do ANY 2.4 ghz links other then APs for houses or small groups of houses (IE Picos now). (ok I have 3 users left on 2.4) The Pacs with the cheap metal clip on tip are CRAP. I can not express the horribleness of those enough. The ones like I linked, are great, and are on par with 2ft solid dish's (obviously not the same gain, but they do not bounce in the wind or act funny or lose the tip and really start going wonky) and the links stay with in 2db as the wind blows. The others drop 10db or more in mild wind. I have been replacing the feeds with the ones from that link and it makes all the difference. The mount from the old one is the standard Pac mount that they use on pretty much everything. This one, is the same but made of thicker metal. Both work well, and the units are better with the new feeds. Add a bullet and its a very nice link that works great. I have about a dozen of the old ones left that will be replaced with NanoBridges as I move everything over to AirMax. Yup wasted time/money on the cheap grid, now buying the better one. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Those are 5 gig. I decided NOT to go the cheap route on any 5 gig systems out here. I'm looking for 2.4 gig grids that are of good/great quality. I've been paying around $100 for a 24dB grid and it doesn't bother me a bit. Here's a tip for you guys that go dirt cheap on everything and then complain about the time you spend. My network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut. We have over 600 wireless subs and a couple of hundred other customers. I take care of it all with the equivalent of 2.5 people! Don't go too cheap. It'll cost you time and reputation in the end. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same feeds as the linked one. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable product? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big links. I use the Pac grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if anything, they work about the same in the field on receive. Regards Michael Baird An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating
Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.
All, instead of just bitching here why not go to Googles product ideas and submit a idea to remove the background or at least give an option to remove it. Or vote on some of the hundreds of ideas that suggested the very same. http://productideas.appspot.com/#e=127061 / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control. I do the same thing here as well. Add Google as the search and delete Bing from the list. Started out as a Just Because We Hate Microsoft but now that the Bing reviews are out, looks like the best choice anyhow. Bob- How's come Bing Crosby hasn't come back from the dead to sue Microsoft for use of his name? Hey, if Spike Lee can sue the Spike cable channel, Bing can sue Bing It's not just a search engine, it's a search engine trying to profit from the good name a reputation of an early to mid 20th century crooner. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Probably talking about the built in one with FF. Exactly. Or, in Google Chrome, the address bar doubles as a search box - which is one less thing for customers to mess up. Heck, Internet Explorer 7 and 8 come with one built-in, and the first thing I always do when working on a customer's computer is switch it from Live/Bing to Google, unless they specifically ask otherwise. (I've been tempted to point those search boxes to our in-house Google referral link, so we get a percentage of any ad revenue, but that's kinda shady and probably against Google's TOS anyway.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...
They are nice sure, but consider how expensive the connectors are I go with regular connector. Even if that means I have to do two crimps and have to mess with the center pin. Not crimped a cable in the field for years thanks to PoE occasionally need a jumper and mostly just use premade jumpers and in the rare instances build a custom length. Don't even have connectors or coax spools in the install van any longer. But have a variety of different length of coax cables. The stripper tool is great. Crimper you can use just about any crimpers and the deburring tool I got one don't use it, don't need it for center pins you crimp. Or just use a $5 file. Tessco got all the brand parts. We got the crimp handles and dies if you want to save some. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400... I am looking for the following: EZ-400-NMH-D Connector CCT-01 Tool (cutter) ST-400EZ tool (cable Prep tool) DBT-U (deburr tool) HX4 Tool (crimp tool) Separately or in a kit... Does anyone have a favorite Vendor? I saw one vendor selling a kit for LMR400/600 with all of the above parts. They wanted over $1000 for it! The 'EZ-Crimp connectors look like the way to go, but other advice is appreciated. ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Small ISP Wins US $2.6Million in Spam Case
--Small ISP Wins US $2.6 Million in Spam Case (May 6 7, 2010) A US District Court in California has awarded Asis Internet Services nearly US $2.6 million for spam messages sent over the Internet service provider's (ISP) network between November 2006 and May 2008. The ISP has approximately 1,500 customers; the spam caused Asis to lose business and incur costs associated with fixing the problem. The judge awarded Asis US $865,000, but tripled the damages because of aggravated circumstances. The defendants, the principals of a business called Find a Quote, were found to have violated 2003's CAN-SPAM Act. http://www.scmagazineus.com/california-isp-wins-26m-judgment-against-spammer s/article/169696/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/06/spam_judgment/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products
Unless your set on a Linux platform smartermail is a excellent platform, fairly affordable and very good functionalities and features as close to enterprise type software without being considered enterprise. If you're looking for Linux only solution then qmail-toaster is an excellent Opensource platform with excellent functions and capabilities, easy to install and maintain. Qmail-toaster is what we tend to install on our Linux virtual servers for our clients. / Eje Follow us on http://www.twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products Hi All, I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be similar). They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me your success/horror stories with in-house products. At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house looks the only solution. Suggestions are very welcome ;) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtPvv4IS7HY Some people have too much time on their hands. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven Barnes Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funnies Guys and Gals it's been a long week and I need a good laugh. Anyone got a Friday funny worth its weight? Steve WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies
Alright what do you call it? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:45:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies Hey wait no one asked me about my joke :( On 4/16/10, Francois D. Menard fmen...@xittel.net wrote: Mr. Tattam down under would not be happy. This software saved our rear-ends 15 years ago. We should still honor this guy. Regards, F. On 2010-04-16, at 9:24 PM, John Scrivner wrote: And don't forget Trumpet Winsock! ryan Wash your mouth out with soap when you say that! It is a dirty word! How about those AT modem commands too! Hahaha! Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as never to share contact information such as address and phone number. He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies things on it for her. We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
I would have to agree. Have had routers doing lot of work that had uptime over a year (one that almost hit 500 days but lightning got the better of one ethernet port). The ones I seen problems it tend to be bad PC hardware or lack of memory. One router I saw would experience issues where vlans would die and ip's assigned to the vlan interfaces would go invalid. Turned out the unit had to little ram for what was going on on it (vlans, dns proxy, queues, lot of firewall rules, layer 7 firewall rules, dhcp servers and vpn server) installed more ram and unit ran flawless since (had 256MB to start with, 512MB improved but would occasionally still have issues and need reboot, 1GB and no issues after running for months). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:12:38 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? Hi, I would like to be the first to say that the article about Skybeam seems a little over dramatic. The quote that their Mikrotik routers had to be rebooted every few days would indicate to me that they had hardware problems, not software (Mikrotik) problems. I have Mikrotik routers on my network that have been up over a full year without a single reboot or issue. The only reason it's only a year is due to software upgrades. With over 200 Mikrotik routers on my network (several moving over 100Mbps of traffic and 10,000pps daily and one moving over 400Mbps and 100,000pps), I can tell you Mikrotik is one of the most solid, reliable packages available. Yes, you are locked into their interface and CLI. Yes, it does have some bugs and issues at times, but overall the best routing package I have seen. Travis Microserv Glenn Kelley wrote: Josh Largest difference I have seen is in regards to load (and cost) Freeware community editions ... well cost is pretty low - especially if you have vmware already running, xen running - or a good pc or server around. that being said Mikrotik from experience can choke on DDOS attacks above 100K pps on a dual xeon - with vYatta you don't see much of a load. A good study on this is with SkyBeam: http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/casestudies/Vyatta_Skybeamcase.pdf might be worth asking them directly I'm not far from you if you want an in person overview :-) - thinking of hamfest I'm out in Court House - about an hour and 1/2 On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: So who has used Vyatta and Mikrotik? Differences? On 4/3/10, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: vyatta overview: http://www.vyatta.com/products/index.php PFSense overview: http://www.pfsense.org On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I love Vyatta. I love PFSense... I love a bunch of other applications that can do this as well... BUT it might be worth asking what the job that you want the router to perform. While some may bash vYatta - Keep in mind - when the reload happened - they specifically did that for their own Support Contracts ... folks that paid them - but yes - a major release required a reload. I can tell horror stories about having to do this w/ Cisco Vax 7200's 2650's and such as well. IOS updates do not always go as well as they advertise... Why I do like vYatta is the simple fact they provide both the CLI and GUI - (command line interface and graphical user interface)... Here are a few reasons why folks in this board should consider vYatta community edition: (free) 1. Load Balancing 2. BGP (Full ) 3. vLAN - do vlans out to the radios 4. PPPOE - if you wanted to use it 5. Parental Controls 6. Speed Control / Traffic Shaping - You can do this right on your router. 7. SQUID - cache things vs hitting the web all the time for the same content (like windows updates, youtubes, etc ) I resell vYatta paid version for those interested - but for most the community center is just fine. The paid edition will give you all of the aforementioned with the ability to obtain paid support - and this is based upon the following: 1. what type of contract you have purchased 2. severity of the request - (ie everything down vs just a feature request) that being said - WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO ? If you have a simple setup - and just need full BGP - you might also want to check out another Open Source Project called PFSense. PFSense is full FreeBSD - runs on most any x86 hardware. I can help any of you with this as well. The PFSense book is a great place to start - and is written for someone who has never done routing... one last thing about pfsense... Its a full bsd license - you can even rebrand it. I have a bunch of PF systems out in the field as CPE for firewalling and such - all running under our logo and skin when a client logs in. a simple 1U rack mount makes that an awesome option
Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
Had very good luck with Trendnet's web managed rack mount switches (supports vlan) both gige and 100mbit ones. Cost less then $200. Have both 52 ports, and 26 port units with gige up link ports. One some of the 5 and 8 port switches seen some 100FD issues with long ethernet runs, RB450/RB450G works great as 5 managed port switches and very affordable. /Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 02:37:33 To: Tom Sharplestsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? I agree all HP here have a great night - and holiday weekend. On Apr 3, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Tom Sharples wrote: We run HP Procurve switches here exclusively. Anything else seems like junk by comparison :-) Let's talk sometime next week. Thanks! Tom S. Quick ? do you have a good switch that supports vlanning ? And yes - PF I think is ruled out (although vs 2 might work) Feel free to chat me up off list - I have a feeling we might be able to help each other out... I have a local government client asking some video questions and noticed the solutions you offer :-) On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Tom Sharples wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower
Add a few more pipes of different lengths and sizes and you will get a nice wind organ ;) instead of a wind chime :) /Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:49:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower I find the whole thing very interesting at least :) On 4/3/10, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: It took a few minutes to get my recording stuff together. I was going to make a digital recording of the sound to embed here; the wind is up. Guess what? No sound! The wind is NOW coming from the SE (it's warming up!) and straight into the pvc pipe. If it is the pipe, then it must take a cross wind to generate the tone. I hadn't thought about the bottom of the antenna. The sleeve which covers the N connector IS over an inch in diameter. I guess the next trip up the tower will include jamming some plumbers putty into all open pipes! LOL I am glad to be able to provide a little entertainment this Saturday morning. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower Try a second member in the center to properly brace it completely vertically, wrap all of the pot metal joints with eletrical tape and hope it disappears LOL... Also look at the bottom of the antenna mount where the coax comes out - this is roughly 3 times the size of the coax cable that is bouncing around there.. On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Wind through that short piece of pvc was my first suspect. But, Bernouli effect asside, wouldn't a single pan flute create a single tone? There are 4 distinct tones! It really does play this eerie melody. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower When I ran a tower construction company, the crews used to tape over the ends of pipes when they were on top of the truck going to a job site. They said the noise from the wind blowing through them would drive them crazy while going down the road... Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower A while back, the amateur community talked me into putting a ham antenna on my highest tower. It is a dual band 2 meter 70 cm DC grounded unit (as per my specs). I built a mount which offsets the stick a couple feet from the tower. A piece of 1 inch PVC through which I passed a piece of poly rope is attached with stainless hose clamps near the top of the stick to lasso the 17 foot stick to keep it from swaying. A couple times this winter when I was outside, I heard this eerie melodic 4 part tone. It sounded like someone blowing across Pan flutes. Now that spring has sprung, every time the wind blows, there is this tune again. While I questioned my sanity this winter, I do think it is coming from the amateur antenna. Although the sound is somewhat melodic and not objectionable, I fear this summer with windows open in the house, it will keep me up at night. I have this fear it will be like when I first put that tower up and put a 10 foot by 20 foot flag at the top to raise awareness in the community. It snapped so loud it would wake you from a sound sleep. One of my best nights was when that flag finally came down. Since everything was done per my requests, and I want to maintain my stead with the amateur community, how does one keep that stick from making those noises? I am hoping someone here has encountered something similar and has a resolve. Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process and possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal itself is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are not saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify that you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the cards. If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with a need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are allowed to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against any outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured. If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end secure connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured by either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured (no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis). You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers that process and store credit cards is secured. Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if any kind of breach would happen. The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data and process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the machine. Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers are safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards on scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card info to the people that have to have access to it. There are different levels and types of PCI compliance depends on how you process credit cards. Worst case scenario is if you have a regular credit card terminal or process credit cards across the network on a e-commerce type software (be it home written or professionally developed) and even worse if you store credit card details. Once you start filling out the questioner things will more than likely become a bit more clearer for you. If you store and process credit cards on computer than you need to as well have a company that is doing a PCI scan of your server to ensure hacker proof status. It will look for port vulnerabilities and web application security issues. https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/saq/index.shtml For most people a self assessment is enough (except for server scanning where an approved company needs to be used). If your company process a LOT of credit cards per year no external auditor needs to be hired (not even my company reaches the level where an external auditor is required but we have to file twice annually because of our volume while most WISPs I would dare to say would only be a level 4 which is the lowest level and would only need to file once a year). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PCI Compliance Email from my brother: Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for our routers. http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta llation.html He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
True on this but still since I assume it still uses your merchant account you still fall under the PCI regulations BUT the trusted merchant would provide all PCI compliance documentation for you in this case and only thing you have to worry about is whom is provided remote login access to this merchant and what information they have access to and ensure firewall and antivirus protection on the machines that are used to login to said merchants website (if you have access to anything credit card related there) to avoid keyloggers that might steal login information and then use this information to login and steal credit card details or create fraudulent charges or reversals. No matter how it's done if you business have a merchant account PCI compliance comes back to you to ensure end to end and any and all interactions where access to credit cards processing or credit card numbers can be done. Of course lot easier when nothing is on any of your own systems like in your case and if all you can access through the hosted service web pages is statements and reports even less you need to worry about but still might have to file (unless they file for you). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance All the better to have a completely hosted service with a trusted merchant. We have no CCRD information or even a card reader. We take no CCRD payments over the phone, by email, postal mail or store CCRD information for recurring invoices. All of our invoices are sent via email with an online payment URL to make CCRD payments or direct payments from their bank account or mailed in checks. Nonetheless, PCI worries are not on our watch. Frank Muto - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process and possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal itself is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are not saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify that you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the cards. If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with a need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are allowed to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against any outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured. If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end secure connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured by either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured (no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis). You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers that process and store credit cards is secured. Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if any kind of breach would happen. The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data and process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the machine. Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers are safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards on scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card info to the people that have to have access
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
Any firewall configuration that locks down all unnecessary ports and service especially those that is a major threat and any ports that are open has to have secure software with no remote exploits known. Web applications are extensively tested to ensure that no sql injection, cross site scripting and other remote exploits can be done as well prohibits/limit data enclosure of any type. Say if you are running with a sql database any error messages should NEVER disclose anything database releated not even so much as possibly hinting what type of database or sql query that might been executed. Things that does not prohibit PCI compliance but are flagged as possible PCI compliance issues are silly things like robots.txt files (could provide information disclosure on where administration pages etc are located). If a web page that looks like it handles logins can be access without SSL cert it will be flagged and could possible give you a PCI compliance failure. Most of the things to become PCI compliant involves securing servers, access to servers and whom can access the data on the servers. Ensure servers and web apps are patched and secure, that minimal data information can be retrieved from server or web application. That you have written policies stating whom is allowed to do what, not using manufacture default passwords, each user has their own username/password and finally written policy what to do in case of a breach. Most of this is all obvious security measures anyone should do but you have to answer a ton of questions and sign that you answered them truthfully and an external audit of the servers been done and passed. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance That would satisfy the firewall. Though I have to wonder what firewall config satsifies for compliance. On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, no storage. I'm thinking an RB750? On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No experience just thoughts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should do. I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information. Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not? On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Email from my brother: Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for our routers. http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta llation.html He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
You don't fit in there is nothing you need to do or provide besides maybe your consulting services. It's their merchant service provider and them that needs to ensure communication between the terminal and them is encrypted all the way. You just provide them with the road and it's their responsibility to use the seat belt in the car driving down yours and all other road owner to get from a to b. The big thing is for them to secure the physical access to the terminals and prevent outside internet access to the terminal (would keep them on a separate network segment preventing any access to that segment that wasn't a request initiated from that network). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:43:34 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance Attached is the PowerPoint that BK corporate sent him. Interesting. I have some self interest in this because I have a few fast food restaurants on my service. I want to know, as their ISP how I fit into the picture. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Any firewall configuration that locks down all unnecessary ports and service especially those that is a major threat and any ports that are open has to have secure software with no remote exploits known. Web applications are extensively tested to ensure that no sql injection, cross site scripting and other remote exploits can be done as well prohibits/limit data enclosure of any type. Say if you are running with a sql database any error messages should NEVER disclose anything database releated not even so much as possibly hinting what type of database or sql query that might been executed. Things that does not prohibit PCI compliance but are flagged as possible PCI compliance issues are silly things like robots.txt files (could provide information disclosure on where administration pages etc are located). If a web page that looks like it handles logins can be access without SSL cert it will be flagged and could possible give you a PCI compliance failure. Most of the things to become PCI compliant involves securing servers, access to servers and whom can access the data on the servers. Ensure servers and web apps are patched and secure, that minimal data information can be retrieved from server or web application. That you have written policies stating whom is allowed to do what, not using manufacture default passwords, each user has their own username/password and finally written policy what to do in case of a breach. Most of this is all obvious security measures anyone should do but you have to answer a ton of questions and sign that you answered them truthfully and an external audit of the servers been done and passed. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance That would satisfy the firewall. Though I have to wonder what firewall config satsifies for compliance. On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, no storage. I'm thinking an RB750? On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No experience just thoughts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should do. I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information. Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not? On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Email from my brother: Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for our routers. http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta llation.html He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?
Bridged or routed ? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:06:29 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas? We have been plagued with an ongoing issue in our Mikrotik backhauls. It happens about once a month and only on three radios that feed each other, all other sites work fine. Site A is my head end, it is a Mikrotik 433 with an XR5 chip that feeds about five miles to another site to Site B. Site B has the same equipment that goes through a managed switch then passes on to Site C about 7 miles further. What happens is we are suddenly paged that all three are down. Sometimes Site A stays up, most times not, we can get into Site A since it's the head end and we reboot it, it comes right back up. Site B and C stay down, we have to drive to Site B and reboot it, it comes back up but Site C stays down. We have a remote reboot for it from a redundant feed so after rebooting it C reconnects to B and they are all up. This will happen three or four more times in a single day or not at all again for a month, it's totally unpredictable. The boards are up but not communicating, it also takes down the other 2.4 Mikortik AP's at Site B and that has to be rebooted. We normally run arp -d to clear up any residual, it sure appears to be traffic related and we are on a bridged not routed network. The only similarities is it's only this feed, it usually happens in spurts of a day or two then stops for a long time, it always happens during the working day leading me to believe it's coming from a day user. We run Wireshark but see nothing, we torch the towers and they don't show much unusual. We're thinking it might be a deluge of traffic between Site B and C and are thinking of putting a PC at the C tower to run diagnostics there. This is very manpower heavy as we have to send people two places and average down time is one hour to do this. We are going to turn our network into a routed network this Summer but that doesn't help now. Any ideas would be appreciated. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Just a reminder part-15 rules states we have to accept all interference from any legal source. We are not allowed to interfere with other services (licensed). FCC will not do anything to anyone that is running legal equipment. If someone running legal equipment interfere with you it's more of a civil matter where the best chance is building a case against someone for deliberately trying to interfere and preventing you from doing business. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:30:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! I dont necessarilly agree with that, and I dont think the FCC would either. What I do know is they dont want to go out of their way to harrass WISPs and take action that will result in Consumers loosing their broadband, unnecessarilly. (although they cant say that out loud.) To get action from the FCC, the complainer needs to provide proof that the alledged violator is in fact in violation, and proof that it is causing harm. It cant just be a theory or allegation. I recognize there are budget cuts, shortage of time, and higher priorities, but also I dont believe there are really all that many complaints that actually are backed with real proof, and really getting harmed. The FCC has enough man power to respond to legitimate critical complaints, where there is a good reason to investigate. However, I agree engaging an Attorny and having him send a letter is probably a quicker way to get an initial response. The second both sides start to have to spend money at lawyer rates, people get real quickly, on how important it is or isn't to have the illegal radio isntalled or removed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! This is really the only way to handle this. Send them a cease and desist letter because they are interrupting your service and serve them certified mail. Then go after them with a lawyer. Unless the entity that is receiving interference is the FCC or works for them, I would say you have no chance whatsoever to get any action from the Commission. Part 15 is not allowed to interfere and must accept any interference that is does receive. A simple clarification from the FCC. Don't call us.We'll call you -B- Tom Sharples writes: There is another approach to consider - sue them for tortuous interference : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference which has nothing to do with RF interference, but rather refers to intentionally disturbing or destroying your business relationship with your customers. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Only if over the EIRP of 36dB. One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel = 40dB. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10
Re: [WISPA] test
Fail --Original Message-- From: ~NGL~ Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test Sent: Mar 20, 2010 16:09 test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?
Been a while since I applied for ours but then it took almost 2 months before I got the paper license, never so a e-mail notice about the approval but I had by chance seen the issuance of the license about 3 weeks after I applied when I logged into the FCC website and saw it been approved about a week before. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately? They took the payment immediately! Not so sure about the license... Marco On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: How long is the FCC taking these days for a new license? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors
More than likely this is a connector or cabling issue. Since your running up a tower I assume the cable run is of considerable length. When you start running 150-200 ft of cabling a single crimp that is not the best can result in TX drops it could be that only one of the two (usually only 2) teeth on connector don't have connection with the cable. But it could also be that your taking RF interference on the cat5 cable itself. If you are not using shielded cable and there is a lot of other strong RF source on the tower this could be a problem as well. Shield Cat5 and proper grounding on the shield as well ferrit beads on the cat5 cable in and out of the injector can make a world of difference. Also noticed that on some switches a slightly bad cable can cause a lot of trouble or just little trouble. Once case we ran across ourselves where we had problem getting a trouble free connection on a 220ft run with one switch and some of the equipment up to (had a RB532 there which didn't have problem per say but did experience TX and RX errors). Ran a new cable still problems with one of the units. The old switch had gotten Ethernet ports blown by a hit on the tower that killed almost every electronic on the tower not just for me but for the two others that had equipment on it, the new switch didn't work well changed to another switch of similar kind still problems, finally changed to a RB450G and is now actually running problem free. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors I have a tower running 3x120 sectors, MT AP's RB532's. Ethernet down tower to a switch. I noticed that on one of the RB532's I have 861 TX errors and 861 TX drops in 5 days of uptime. I replaced this AP 5 days ago and the previous board showed the same errors. I have moved the Ethernet cable to a different port on the switch. Is it possible I have a bad Ethernet cable? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the datasheet for it eiter. The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until earliest end of April. / Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Eje, Got an ETA on Powerbridges? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Not sure if I should take offense to this or not. I assume you are aware what conjecture is and that the statement about unproven proposition is not directly related to my e-mail? Because if it is then you need to withdraw this statement. As you might be aware WISP-Router whom I represent is one of Ubiquiti's US distributors (one out of 4). When I say something about Ubiquiti I tend to know what I'm talking about because I had word from the horses mouth. Find anything that I said in my message that is unproven based on anything that been posted on the Ubiquiti forum. You will not be able to find anything. Same info I just gave is on the forum from either Ben or Mike. Also I had a very long working relationship with Ubiquiti (we started out selling their SR2 and SR5 cards when that was their only product and was recipients of cards from the first mass production run). Ubiquiti say product supposed to be available by end of month that means most of the time product is available for pickup in China at the beginning of the following month then you have 1-2 weeks before you have product if they are shipped airfreight, economically not feasible for most of their products. PowerBridgeM5 will probably weight wise be around same weight as a PowerStation so airfreight cost would be about $10-$12 per unit at least. So products will be sea freight which means 4-6 weeks after they are ready from MFG until they are in Distributors hands. First mass production run have always been very limited qty. Order 1k unit and get maybe 200 to 500. Order 2k and you might get 500. Now on the other hand if you just threw out a big word without truly understand it's meaning well so be it. / Eje Gustafsson WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. If you really want to know first hand information on Ubiquiti you should join a forum at ubnt.com, most things on here are conjecture. On 3/4/2010 1:03 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the datasheet for it eiter. The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until earliest end of April. / Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Eje, Got an ETA on Powerbridges? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish
Got about 400 of the 30dB in just today (haven't yet been received into inventory because we are still checking over to ensure we got everything we were supposed to - three 40ft containers full of Ubnt gear). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish The 30db RocketDish5 has been out for a few months, it's in stock most everywhere. Regards Michael Baird How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month? Unless you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due out mid-month. We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating design flaw in the assembly their great! On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused. I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if anyone is interested. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish Andy, They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions. Regards Michael Baird Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information would help. Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator Precision Data Solutions, LLC atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 http://www.pdswireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win
Grids are that and therefore only good for CPE installs or sites where no other units needs co located. They don't belong on a back haul because it's to important. Good panels or solid dishes should be the only antennas used for a back haul. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:02:03 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win Grids are RF sieves. They spew RF to the sides, and the back. They have a lot of forward gain, so work well in most cases. You'd be better off putting a panel, or better yet a solid dish at that site. Start with one. If it doesn't work a lot better, change the other. You can also try offsetting one of the antennas from the pole -- in front or behind the other laterally. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days the rats win On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly.It was just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad. Somewhat intermittently, but still REALLY bad.I had already tried new radios at each end.So far, no luck.I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... No luck. I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no luck. After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was self interference. Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the radio with signal. So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on this link, figuring it would reduce the self interference. So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a new antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old antenna, which is an ancient Equinox.Cool. But no fix for the link's issues. So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and put it back up.It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine.Could see perfectly. Drove to the hill site, put a mount on the pole, and installed another antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well. Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, we switched the antenna cables over. No signal. Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can literally SEE the building and pole from the other end. I re-aimed my end, swapped again. No signal. Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a working antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours before). No signal. I changed the dipole on my end.No signal. I changed the whole antenna. No signal. Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf. No signal. Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64. I grab another grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the other end. -89 is the best we can get. So the other end is the problem, right? Check the antenna taken off the far end. Works fine. Mind you, we're 4 miles apart. We can see the other end standing on the ground. We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are no buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions.The land slopes away from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt is about 1 degree.There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at either end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the hillside end. So, what's wrong? I don't know, and I can't figure it out.Nobody has stuff pointed at the higher end. The other end is 270 degrees shielded by heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky behind the hillside site. Nothing to point to.No reason for anyone to build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be pointing that way. I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical. They are. Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link comes up. I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly. But, the antennas are obvious visually aimed. And the replacement on the low end is HIGHER than the original.Almost 4 feet higher.The low end antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization.The upper antenna
Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG
Those asian registration things are scams nothing else. Over the last 3-4 years I probably received well over a 100 such messages. Majority of those in regards to WISP-Router but also on some other domains that I'm listed as contact for. I have yet to see a single one of these claims of registration come through. For a long time now I just binned those e-mails the first one of course I responded to but also started investigate and came to the conclusion it was just a sales scam trying to get me to pay for the domains and registrations in question (my guess if I had nothing would gotten registered). So far so good no wisp-router.ca registered or any other of the domains that someone supposedly trying to register. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG I replied about three months ago to this and stated that we held the trademark for our company name. I sent the same email to Qwest who put Washington Broadband in their listings as a name, never heard from the China group or Qwest again, go figure. Forbes On 2/24/2010 8:35 AM, Jack Unger wrote: A musician friend of mine had the same thing happen regarding his domain about 4 months ago. An email from China said that someone wanted to register his domain .cn. I looked into it and then advised him not to reply. At that time it looked like some kind of a registration scam from the email sender themselves. I'd like to hear what others think. jack David Hulsebus wrote: I got an e-mail from them asking about our domain registration, and someone in China wanting to register the portative.com.cn, .net.cn, etc.. domains. They said they will not approve if I reply and didn't authorize it. Question. This is the first time I've heard of this, is it legit? Thanks, Dave Hulsebus WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHZ Farm GOS..Was: That black magic
One company I talked to that want try to co locate on one of the grain bins we are on confirmed their equipment was a slow bandwidth frequency hopper that used the entire band. Seemed they had no configuration options to set what frequencies used. It didn't provide lot of bandwidth but was a constant steady data stream. Told them I didn't think that would work on that close proximity unless they could avoid using certain frequencies that we used. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:34:01 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHZ Farm GOS..Was: That black magic I too would believe the systems are FCC certified. I have no details other than to say I avoid 900 MHz like the plague. They seem to use the entire band. They are appearing everywhere in my area. The repeaters or aggregators are atop poles, bins, grain legs. It is cool technology (ever seen a huge combine turn itself around at the end of the rows and start back the other way?) While they usually aren't on all the time, disking, planting, cultivating, spraying, and combining times shoot holes in the usability. I have seen some that are on whenever the machinery key is on. It's not the small farmers, but the big family and corporate farmers who use them, including some of my customers. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900MHZ Farm GOS..Was: That black magic Are the 900 MHZ systems the farm operations are using FCC Certified? Anyone have some details on them? I have been on towers where such systems exist. Interested in any info others have on them. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog ³My posts are my opinions.² From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:50:08 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] That black magic We see some of the same interference issues. It was actually much better when all the cordless phones were 900, verses meters, farm operations, etc... Yes it's NLOS, if I went up another 40 ft I would have LOS. With NLOS we only have about 25 yards of trees to deal with 100 yards or so from the house, but no dirt. He's 1.35 miles from the tower, the AP is 150 above his GL. We do use a Cushcraft 906 antenna on his end and an Antel 120 deg, 3 deg electrical down tilt on the tower that puts out 34.8 EIRP. A filter we changed out a couple of years ago dropped our output a bit more than a db. Now that the beans are gone, his signal stabilized and improved from a fluctuating -75 to -83 back to a -70 This is an older CCU3100 WaveRider system that doesn't run OFDM, but DSSS. I tried a panel antenna instead of the yagi and it improved the fluctuation some, but didn't improve the signal like going up 10 ft did. So I think you are correct that the changes in multipath from a little wind and lots of hardened leafs and beans reflected the signal more than when they had enough moisture to absorb more than reflect. Dave Mike wrote: 900 MHz doesn't work well around here. The farmers have deployed GPS navigation systems using those frequencies. Was the bean path you had NLOS? I'm curious what effects it had. I have seen a four foot change in elevation work like black magic. I think the beans get to blowing in the breeze and because there are hundreds of thousands of little hard points that randomly diffract the signal it fades. I saw this on a knife edge diffraction path as well as a distant, path where the CPE had to be mounted low to clear large branches of an oak tree 20 feet overhead. The next field over was a bean field one year and caused fits for a couple weeks, I believe because of the low angle. Is it that OFDM can survive in a multipath environment until the individually randomized signals number in the thousands? Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hulsebus Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] That black magic Mike, Interesting you mentioned soy beans. I have a customer (900-WaveRider) who was installed for 5 yrs next to a corn field. The crop was replaced with soy beans this past year and a month before harvest, as the beans dried out, we started having signal fluctuation issues. We raised the antenna 10 ft and the problem went away. It was their first issue in 5 yrs. Dave Mike wrote: I need to do a reality check with those of you familiar with knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium. First, I should paint the scene: I have a corporate farmer almost 16 miles away who
Re: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS
I have not answered. #4 neither option applies. Didn't file because didn't have the time to get the data required and been slacking on it since. Intention been there to do it but time been short. Many times my filing been late in the past and then I just had to do a export of my customer data and tally up the ZIP codes. Consider my subscriber base not a major changer but I should file just as soon as I start there always seems something more urgent pooping up delaying it yet again. My personal opinion is that if they are to get data of this kind they need to provide some form of tool/website to get the data. Many of my addresses does not resolve correctly because they are rural routes and I have to manually try to map their location to get the right area. But we are talking about the government that don't believe in making anything easy and put the cost entirely on the citizens or businesses so I'm not surprised. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS Yesterday I created a quick 4 question survey about government form 477 that all WISPs are supposed to file with subscriber counts. 50 people have filled it out so far. If you haven't yet, it takes 60 seconds or less. please go to http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3RZTC9F The questions are -Is your customer base increasing/decreasing -how many subs do you have -did you file form 477 -would you like help if you didn't quick results so far are Customer base = 46 increasing, 4 decreasing total customers =65,074 from 49 WISPs = 1,328 subs per WISP File form 477 = 21 yes, 10 late, 18 no want help filing = 13 yes, 3 no Will do more in-depth look tonight A Quick note. of the 4 with decreasing customer bases. 3 of them have under 500 subs. If it doesn't already exist, I think it would be a great idea to have a (guide) for 0 - 500 subs. Things like Bandwidth - general prices, pros/cons. T1, Cable, DSL, etc Marketing ideas, assistance, etc what people use to run the business. Forms, procedures. I am not on the board for WISPA, but I think this would be a good value to be provided to members. Of course, some of the recommendations will change for larger WISPs. - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
And do you believe the same goes for Open source applications? There are more open source being distributed this way then where large for profit companies use it for distribution. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I think you said it best here: Some of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. So as an ISP we should get clobbered with connections and network issues on our wireless network to take care of the budgets of all these legal places? Most of these make 10X the profit I do in a year, let them figure out a better way. Afterall, the customer is wanting their content. I limit the crap out of torrents. It is a poorly implemented application for most networks...for wireless networks for sure. I don't care if the government wants to distribute welfare checks across torrents on my network. It will work, although slowly. If the government want's to tell me how I can control my network and makes it law, I will do something else. I am not trading the big corp software support problem for my own at 10X the less profit. Hell, I was squirrel hunting when I started my ISP and I still got a pocket full of shells. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it is done. ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. ISO downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. Other adoptions BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing popular content with their torrent system Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to distribute hundreds of video recordings of live shows. Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute hundreds of demos and live videos. Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 radio programs. For example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only platform to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their music, videos etc. In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available for download using BitTorrent NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/) VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative Commons license using Mininova. Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent support Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. Some of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly when a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't mind to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version is available as well. So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay you to get access to data what they access is after all really not your responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they have good access and get what they pay for which means control and maintain network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is good for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and very upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it in a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign it but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep waters. I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle it and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data transfers is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to be happy. Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate Bay. So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album). And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is ready to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the times faster downloads. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I never said it was good to block it. I think blocking it is bad. Not sure where you got that impression. My stance is if you can support it, charge them for it. If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely. Once again... I have played Wow. I played it last week for the free trial. Instead of waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted and got the patch in minutes instead of hours. Blizzard's other games - Starcraft, Warcraft 2 and 3, Diablo 1 and 2 - are all HTTP only. The only Blizzard files obtained via torrent are the Wow patches and hi def trailers/movies - http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_UStag=patches Every *nix distro I've obtained (Ubuntu, Fedora, Centos, DSL, Knoppix, Gentoo, maybe more) I've done HTTP. Who cares if Nine Inch Nails distributes their music via torrent? No one uses it anyways - they all use Napster/Kazaa/Limewire. So why choose torrent over HTTP? I just don't see Grandma Bonnie Emailer or Little Timmy MP3er or Greasy Gary Gamer (except that one half Wow example) using torrents. I just don't see the average user installing utorrent to get their blog videos, mp3s or latest content, it's easier to click one link in the browser, save it and use it. I also want to mention that 300GB/mo transfer at home is not high at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it is done. ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good speed. All I do
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean it's used or frequently used. Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to that conclusion. So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then regular web traffic. Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents 8% of Swedes do peer to peer. I would expect the American population to have a smaller figure. Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote: May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow. The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that require a certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share bandwidth usage is easy to handle. Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with more dedicated bandwidth so less overselling. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a month have to be told. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to be happy. Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate Bay. So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album). And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is ready to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the times faster downloads. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I never said it was good to block it. I think blocking it is bad. Not sure where you got that impression. My stance is if you can support it, charge them for it. If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely. Once again... I have played Wow. I played it last week for the free trial. Instead of waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted and got the patch in minutes instead of hours
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service. Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file sharing out to the internet. There is even on the last page a table where all important information such as bandwidth allotment, # of e-mail accounts, monthly cap limits as well charge per GB over usage is denoted by hand depending on service level purchased. We say we will charge you $5/GB over your monthly 10GB limit. But we have never charged this at this point. We have people going way over 10GB but they have not created any issues on our network. No don't believe in unlimited internet and will not be like the mobile broadband providers calling their service unlimited but in small print you can read it's not unlimited and that they can charge or cancel your service for over usage. But reason they call it unlimited is because they have their limited plans that offer say 500MB or 5GB then their unlimited (which really isn't unlimited) I am still amazed that FTC have not slapped them on their hands for this IMO false advertisement. But I guess it comes down to it affects so very few people that for most people it really seems unlimited. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Eje, I always respect your opinons but let me play devils advocate. I agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network you will be cut off and fined. -RickG On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean it's used or frequently used. Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to that conclusion. So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then regular web traffic. Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents 8% of Swedes do peer to peer. I would expect the American population to have a smaller figure. Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote: May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Yes you can if you want to. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I have a MT firewall. Can you run Butch's QOS on MT APs CPE? On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Not sure of the capabilities of StarOS but Ubnt and Tranzeo can't help you limit connections. You may need to invest in some Routerboards or something more expensive. You said you had Butch's QOS application - do you already have some Mikrotik stuff in place? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but you cant fix a large network overnight. Especially in this weather! Thanks for your input! On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow. The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that require a certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share bandwidth usage is easy to handle. Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with more dedicated bandwidth so less overselling. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a month have to be told. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to figure out that you're
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
There are a lot of legal use of torrents. Many games use it for updates (WoW especially comes to mind), many Linux software solutions as well (MikroTik use it, Fedora use it and most other distros can be gotten by Torrent provided by distro owners). This is not the only fileshare app that is used for legal distributions. Napster is another protocol after all Napster gone legal and people are using it to download songs and videos they paid for. Blocking fileshare apps these days can't really legally be blocked anylonger. Throttle them sure but to a reasonable level, people downloading to much a good AUP should handle if they download 24/7 and use a large amount of bandwidth. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Josh Luthman Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Sent: Feb 14, 2010 00:02 Can you put up another link for him specifically? Charge him a large install fee to drop the pps on your AP and a bit more monthly for the bandwidth. Ubnt NS5M come to mind. On 2/14/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Even though our AUP TOS does not allow it, I have a customer demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I being over zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!
Tooo funny.. Sent it to Ben at Ubnt after all he is one mentioned by name in there.. lol -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:50 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It! I hope you enjoy Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13) Hitler on Canopy OFDM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
Got a default route on the MikroTik pointing to your riverstone box?
/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:43:14
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
{provider} ---[ static 0.0.0.0/0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ]--- {riverstone ASBR}
---[10.0.4.1 OSPF Backbone 10.0.4.2]--- {mikrotik} --- x.x.x.x/24 public
addresses
I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work
fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF
and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a
traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from an
external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the
route bi-directional, if that's the right term.
This is what I have in the Riverstone:
325 : ip add route default gateway provider gateway IP
362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network
default
363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network all
365 : ospf create area backbone
367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
368 : ospf start
-Paul
On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been
running a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've
long outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack
running v4.5 that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing
subscribers over to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
So, here's what I got:
The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the
higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for
us still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and
there is no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has
the default route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I
need to have those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
Having a hard time following exactly what you are doing...can you
attached a network drawing with the routes? We use Riverstones and
Mikrotiks in our backbone with no problems at all and I have quite a bit
of familiarity with Riverstone networks (I once worked for them :).
Bret
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Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package
Just what I was going to suggest. Good tool especially for people not very Linux skilled and even for those that are. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package Webmin should do it.. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package We have two Ubuntu servers running Bind9 I am looking for a web based control panel to manage both at the same time setup dns management for other domains. Kind of like reselling web hosting Any recommendations that people are willing to share - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package
There is dhcp servers that can utilize either radius for ip assignment or ldap. With MikroTik it's easy to setup the internal dhcp server to get lease info from a radius server. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:20:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package Now I just need to find a dhcp server that can use mysql Yet a good one does not exist. Blake Covarrubias wrote: I assume you want this. http://downloads.powerdns.com/documentation/html/recursion.html Although I would take the advice of the documentation's author and utilize dnscache for recursive queries. -- Blake Covarrubias On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: How do I configure forwarders in powerdns? Maybe I am having a slow day but I just cannot figure this out and am tired of looking. I am hoping you know off the top of your head. Thanks Jon Auer wrote: Webmin can handle this with plain old Bind (4/9). We used it before switching to PowerDNS with a database backend and our own control panel. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote: We have two Ubuntu servers running Bind9 I am looking for a web based control panel to manage both at the same time setup dns management for other domains. Kind of like reselling web hosting Any recommendations that people are willing to share - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Yeah I got a kick out of that article and to see the discussion re FCC and net-neutrality and FCC probes in anticompetive behavior and application prohibitations for the Iphone et all. Then to find out that this rebellion was planned but FCC worked to stopped it. Stay safe. Don't get out of bed. It's dangerous to drive, dangerous to walk on the streets, dangerous to operate your electronics and irresponsible to talk on the cellphone someone that might need to make an important phone call to might not be able to.. So just stay in bed, don't touch that cellphone, landline phone OR your laptop... Ohh there might be dangerous lights emitting from your TV so do not turn it on either. Now where did I put my foil hat. Darn weather radars and satellite signals are getting to me today Might need more foil / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and declare... to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern. Such BS. Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern? I'm now off to cover myself in bubble wrap. One can't be too safe, ya know. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up? Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality
On issue here is Carters dream in the 70's that every American should have a house or right to have a house of their own. This was for much laying dormant but Bush era brought this back. To own a house is not a right. It's a privilege, not everyone should or are suitable to own a house the idea a house for every American is seriously flawed. This was what started the housing boom in the 70's out in California that quickly spread across the nation. Creating over time hyper inflated prices but was a slow progress but was once again flared up during Bush era and the push was one once again raising house prices even yet higher and in a push for this idiotic loans was designed to make this happen. Balloon loans that was design to get you in a house, sell that house after 10 years to get you into a bigger house since you now was supposed to have a better job, bigger family and your current house would be worth lot more. There are two fundamental flaws with this thinking. 1) the new house you buy will obviously be much more expensive as well and this Balloon loan was design to pay minimal principal on your current home until 10 years ahead. 2) it assumes your salary does not only keep up with inflation but advancing a head of it not taking into consideration of cyclic economic down turns, layoffs and failures. Loans created with a rose tinted glasses on never looking at worse case scenarios or even any bad scenarios. Then you have the other kind of loans like Lending Tree and Quickbooks started offer among others. Lower your monthly payment plans, in the fine print you discover that your only paying interest and NO principal. That sure helps people get out of debt. Even worse yet was some loans that Countrywide extended where the payment people made on their loans didn't even cover the full interest so the loan only grow. Bank of America ended up paying a steep fine over these loans (BoA bought Countrywide in 08). The current and past credit rating system in general is at fault at large. To get credit you have to have credit and the more credit you have the more credit you can get. Of course this is slightly better than it once was when a collage kid could get $10k credit card credit with no steady income. What makes sense to me on a credit system is. You have a steady income, no credit then your credit is good. The more you earn and the less credit you have the better your credit rating is. Once you start getting open credit your rating goes down. Ohh well. Just me being sensible I guess ;) Dang it. Stop talking politics guys back to wireless now lol / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act I think the paragraph Housing Advocacy groups and Predatory lending speaks pretty much for itself. CRA failed miserably in those areas because of the simple fact that after all CRA was all about to provide equal financing opportunities to low to mid-income and minority groups. So the pressure was on to provide financing to these groups and this back fired because the low in-come group had hard time paying the loans for a house they really couldn't afford. When you make less then 30k in the household can you really afford a 50k house and all expenses associated with said house? Figure just principal, 15 year loan you're looking at $277/mo. The Department of health and human services figure a 3 person household requires in the lower 48 $18k per year to scrap by. By my book that $277/mo + interest + insurance + maintenance is t much for this family to afford on a regular loan. In a 2002 study exploring the relationship between the CRA and lending looked at as predatory, Kathleen C. Engel and Patricia A. McCoy noted that banks could receive CRA credit by lending or brokering loans in lower-income areas that would be considered a risk for ordinary lending practices. Look where we are at today billions of dollar spent on TARP to save the banks that did these loans to low and middle income families. Fannie Mae and Freddie MAC brought back from the brink of complete meltdown by even more billions of dollars. A house is not a RIGHT it's a PRIVILEGE and not everyone can nor will be privileged enough to be able to afford a house. A house is not just a loan payment to have and up keep. It's also insurance and maintenance. Anyone owning a house knows that there is never an end to maintenance required once one thing is fixed another will appear some might not require immediate attention but some if immediate or soon attention is given will result in expensive fixes and repairs. The older house the more issues and a lot of the low to medium income families that is all they can afford the older houses in most areas. On top of this unfortunately a lot of the low income people are employees that are expendable in many companies so when things start to go hard they are often the first ones to get laid off. The high income guy is probably the person that makes the decisions and he relies on other high income people and mid level income people to make things happen. It's always the poor guy that get the shaft I'm afraid. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010
[WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement
Thought this might be found interesting by some http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
*shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What
Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement
Agreed. I know this might not necessary have a direct precedence for the US market but I know in the past on some things like this the US courts, judges, attorneys and the like has looked at what other countries have done and taken a serious look on the reasoning why they went a specific direction so this case even if it's in Australia cannot be anything but a good thing for us in the US. Now if it been a different country like say China or India then well I would almost dare to say the US court system might do the opposite just cause. But consider the historical information both court system wise as well country origin and laws I believe this is a good thing and should be to the US ISP's favor. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement Very good! I've always had the thought that if I, as a provider of access to the internet am responsible for how the users behave.. I would like to stretch that out and hold everyone responsible for other things such as if a burglar uses the highway to come to your house to rob me, they should compensate me, the telco that he used to plan the crime should compensate me, the cell phone provider he used for his buddy outside to call to warn him if someone was coming into the house should compensate me. The problem is, they are just looking for everyone else to blame for their issues and want us all to police and be responsible for their property. It's this sort of thing that has to be held off or else we become the Big Brother society that many want us to be. I know, I know. We are almost already there. It's been Frog Soup (look it up) but we're seeing more of it happening more openly and I applaud this court for actually having the testicular fortitude to say NO. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement Thought this might be found interesting by some http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up? Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Need to upgrade from your 2 by 4 to a 4 by 4? ;) One thing I forgot to say in my rant is consider anyone over the above of 18 is registered to vote in Sweden the percentage SHOULD be lower than in a country where you have to actually register your intent to vote to be allowed to vote and yet around 85% vote there vs 65% here. ;P At times I wonder how many knows how and what they need to do to register to vote (I would hope everyone that are allowed to register to vote knows). But even further how many actually knows right now (no matter registered to vote or not) where they should go to vote? In Sweden once your 18 and upon the next election you get your voting card sent to you by mail which shows when and where you are expected to vote. I still get the vote card even after living 10 years here in the US (ashamed to say that I have not voted the last 2 elections but then I have very minimal clue what going on political back in Sweden).. FYI for anyone not knowing yes I'm still Swedish citizen and not a US citizen so am not allowed to vote in the US elections (I'm a legal alien ;) so anyone that meet me can claim they meet an alien... lol ) Alright back to my corner.. Drats said my last post was my 1 a year off topic now I consumed 2 years worth of non topic posts... / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 00:06 -0600, Eje Gustafsson wrote: I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of themselves. I agree. It is absolutely shameful to see the turnouts. It is MORE shameful that this is pointed out by you (don't be offended, it's not intended that way). It is, however, reality that too many Americans are unwilling to participate in politics in any way other than complaining. FWIW, I have NEVER missed the opportunity to vote in ANY election (all the way down to the local ones). The fact that sometimes a higher percentage of active voters differ in their opinion does not mean my vote doesn't count. It just means that I should work harder to teach people how to think. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the fun of meeting up with you guys. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. Look at the 2008 President election StateMargin Missouri 0.14% NC 0.32% Indiana 1.04% NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% MT 2.25% Florida 2.82% Ohio 4.59% (your state) These states represented 88 electoral votes States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented another 64 electoral votes. Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT count. I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase over previous election. There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm original from there) In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a registered voter. In the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or king with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn out to vote. So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that are today glad they voted to show the color of their state. North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had voted. Alright of my soap box. Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article I have not voted to this day, to be honest. It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Josh How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly matters? I, in NJ had the same issue until recently. Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up! On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.com wrote: From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers. Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of open-architecture networking. This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet. These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it. They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users
Re: [WISPA] test
What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791 097 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Maybe not strange, but happy: http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm This wouldve been nice as a child: http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml This is kinda funny: http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html -RickG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That would be SOS in morse. So there! That's one I actually knew I had a strange childhood. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test ha ha heres a test ... _ _ _ ... wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real fast ;-) On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests. I didn't even know there was going to be a test.. This sucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] test
In the speed texting championships you are not allowed any spellaids or predictive text program. The fastest texters all recorded their speed texting on 12 key phones. I could see allowing a competition between a qwerty keyboard and morse. But spellaids and predictive text programs wouldn't be fair. I still believe morse would win because keys are smaller and harder to find on a qwerty then double/triple tapping a one out of 12 keys. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Rigged. There is no Blackberry keyboard - just that awful 12-key thing (not t9 autofill, but a total of 12 keys). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791 097 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Maybe not strange, but happy: http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm This wouldve been nice as a child: http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml This is kinda funny: http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html -RickG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That would be SOS in morse. So there! That's one I actually knew I had a strange childhood. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test ha ha heres a test ... _ _ _ ... wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real fast ;-) On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests. I didn't even know there was going to be a test.. This sucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Syslog
Syslog is udp by default. This is what MikroTik expects it to be. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Syslog Does anyone know if MT sends out syslog information on TCP or UDP? I know it's port 514. I've figured out how to have rsyslog listen to UDP 514, but not TCP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Syslog I'm looking to setup a syslog server. Like most things open source, there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been abandoned for years. I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL. I'd like a GUI of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things. It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to figure out. oh, and Linux based. Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Not much, probably if you need multiple omnis you would install sectors. But if you need antenna diversity and use omnis this is one of the easier way to do it since you just need one standoff bracket. However when doing need to be wary of downtilt antennas especially for the omni tilted down and ensure you have no weep holes or similar that now end up at the top of the antenna. But with directional antennas on the client it seems base station diversity is not any greater advantage. It's good for roaming mobile users (laptops, pda, cellphones) that might not have direct LOS to the base station. On Direct LOS there is no reason to use diversity unless you are doing a mimo setup using a 2 chain radio. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge
Yes you can do route the publics over a internal private ip network but of course you do not want/need to nat. Drawback (advantage) is that people on the outside can not traceroute through your internal network because you use private ips but that don't prohibit them from reaching the public ips on your inside internal network. This is sent from a machine with a public of 12.x.x.158 in between the location I'm at and my core router (connected to my upstream) I have 2 routers with ONLY private ips. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge I hear ya. If not by bridging, what other option could be used to move the public IP? I NAT everything, public IP's big mega mucho $$ for me, hate it. Can you route the public through a network that is all NAT? Just for future knowledge Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:45, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Before I start tearing into things and make a mess for myself, can one have a public IP behind a transparent bridge? Yup. I can vouch for Josh Luthman's instructions. Heck, I have the whole turn a pair of Mikrotik radios into transparent bridges instructions down to a one-pager, suitable for the field techs to use. While many on this list preach that bridging is bad (and they're often right), the ability to turn a pair of boards into an easy drop-in replacement/upgrade for older bridging-only gear (Trango 5800, I'm looking at you) is a powerful one. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Collections
Small claims works great for LLC and partnership type companies as long the cost is less then $2000. In the past we have done so with great success the hardest part can be to figure out the address to have the Sheriff or Police serv them the court papers. But once served and they don't show up it's a slam dunk win. We also had no problem winning a reasonable fee for court filing and time to do it. However as a Incorporation you do not have this option any longer. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:50:38 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collections Can't you just save them all up and go to small claims court? Make one trip and don't share any money with anyone. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:29:44 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Collections What do you guys pay for people to do collections? I was complaining about people that owe me money to someone I know and she volunteered herself to do the work. I guess she used to work for a collections company and was quite effective. I'm assuming a percentage of what she collects, but what percent? 25%, 50%, 75%? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Skype To FCC Request Net Neutrality
http://gigaom.com/2010/01/14/skype-to-fcc-keep-internet-open-neutral/ If this already been posted my apologies but can't recall seeing anything about this today. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?
We among many others carry this one. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8eq=Tp= Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings. Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard Canopy units can handle. Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the data wires. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24eq=Tp= We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik? Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection seems a better idea than competing products. Thanks, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600 I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing. I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build. http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has this surge suppressor installed. I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago. When I opened the enclosure there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board was fine. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Josh Luthman wrote: I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly use are Canopy 12-24v Nano/Locostations 12-25v MT 4xx 10-28v Cordless drill battery 18-22v Having a mobile POE priceless Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Look at the picture better. It says patent pending. Zoomed in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Sorry. Guess great minds think alike ;) lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:06:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Oh well, Eje beat me to it, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:34 -0600 Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades
Talk about inflated numbers on people reached on the 3G networks. T-mobile supposedly upgrading or soon will be in our area to EDGE (currently only getting GPRS). While ATT in our area only supports currently EDGE with no indication of 3G available in near future (my understanding there are currently not even on the road map for 3G in our area) and here they are talking about finishing upgrade to HSPA7.2 and work towards HSPA+ Ohh well. My Blackberry got wifi and supports UMA so don't care that much about 3G or HSPA. Got a 3G wifi AP for when I'm on the road so don't pay hotel wifi rates. Guess faster speeds those times are nice. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jack Unger Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades Sent: Jan 6, 2010 11:58 Article - http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2010/01/Carriers-AT-T-T-Mobile-Network-Upgrades-AT-T-T-Mobile/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems
Works nice for me but on our server that is. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Matt Larsen - Lists Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems Sent: Dec 30, 2009 17:43 We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement inspection. Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case. Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified products. Life stinks. So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. / Eje On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
Man what are you guys doing talking business on christmas. Shame on you guys. ;) Merry Xmas to ya all. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:34:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I Have to say, From what I've done with UBNT gear, Its been working really well. And its all very priced very well. MT has some major competition with them in the picture. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I actually prefer it that way, though I haven't used AirMax yet. Then you don't have to worry about leaving a CPE stranded if you forget to change the setting. I can't wait for stable firmware and stocking to take advantage of this. I'm seriously considering leaving MT wireless for UBNT wireless (retaining MT for everything else). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the client end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same. Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the client, just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows automatically. Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little more mature. We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client that are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. The big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to have. Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!! George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 in AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax option, only if it's in AP mode. So, if you are not in AP mode on the 5M then AirMax isn't an issue. Have you tried setting the 5M as the AP the NS5 as the client? That's if you are doing this on the bench.. :) Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5 as well. All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: In the Advanced tab you'll see Enable AirMax. If it's not checked then it's off. If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer units from the old, at least I haven't been able to. But I've been connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but I've only been using 20mhz channels. Are you doing 20mhz or 10? Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can connect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How do you turn off TDMA? -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm confused. Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a NanoStation 5M? The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA. Sucks. I heard that the older could run TDMA but it's too much for them to be stable. At least that's the story. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation
Yes a NSM5 can talk with a MikroTik 11n unit. Currently they have some issues with the M5's talking with Legacy (802.11a) equipment a new firmware should be forth coming shortly. The latest solved a lot of the problems but not completely. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation I have not used any UBNT M series units yet so I have a couple of questions. Is an NS M5 compatible with Mikrotik 802.11N or does it have to be used with the Rocket M basestation? Can it be used with Mikrotik 802.11A? LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers (reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small metal button inside you pop and it starts to get warm. After a while they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just boil it and it gets soft again and once it gets cool it's ready to use just pop the button again. You could find them before in wild life stores but they seemed to be numerous dollars there but been a while since I looked for them so might be lot cheaper today.. /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some transmission fluid. 20 in a box, 89 cents each. Says will last 7 hours. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot I like the hand warmer idea. I see em for less than a buck per regularly. Thanks for the tip. mg At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote: Yeah, you are an id10t! Yikes. It's only internet guys! NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work. Oh, they act like they will, but they wont. Safety first, and last. If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last thing you do in this business or any other. We get in enough jams just doing what we have to do. Lets not compound the problem. OK, having said that. I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year. EVERY car. When I have to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all, can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist. Right where you'd check your pulse. That does an amazing job of warming the blood going into your hands. Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands stay. You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll help keep your feet warm. I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too much air and they get really hot! I ended up with blistered skin on my legs from a couple of them. If they start to feel too hot, they are. I'd have never guessed that that could have happened! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh 28 degrees while holding onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot Really glad you're OK! I have never been able to keep my fingers decent - they freeze at 50! On 12/16/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm an idiot. Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon. 300 foot tower. Drive to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat, all good. No gloves. Figures. Where are the gloves? The NEW gloves? Home. All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves. Did I go up? Certainly, because I'm an idiot. I can now almost feel my fingers. Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph. Just had to share my utter stupidity. Never again. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had to buy 4 or 5 to get them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
Don't forget the towel.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The universal answer to all questions. I had all but forgotten it... Thanks! now, if I could just remember -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice roflol Now THAT's funny! So long and thanks for all the fish! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice 42 is the answer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Thats right! And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too! Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming. Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some thinking on this list. :) Not all here think the government is the answer. -RickG On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government. Just like REAL health care. Just like REAL education. Just like REAL science. Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise thinking on this list.I have learned. All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend 7 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in one package. -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas was on the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment that is still on its way hopefully should be in no later than next week because we want to ship as many out we can before we close for inventory between Christmas and new years. Hopefully we will just be closed for no more than 2 days there but could be longer depending how the count will go. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Any idea if you have antennas on that shipment, the 16-120s in particular Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had to buy 4 or 5 to get them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The tax payers and isn't a tax payer allowed to comment/argue what the monies are being used for? Can just look at for example Kansas where the government done a poor job in managing the monies. 8 years ago toll free numbers was removed. This year education gotten almost $500 in reduction, might not have monies to pay government payroll. Was talks last year that they might not be able to payout tax refunds (monies where the tax payers paid too MUCH). Anyone paying taxes have the right to bitch, whine and gripe about the government on anything they do that cost monies. Now if I or others might want to hear it here or in another place that is a different matter. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free or low cost. - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation. - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the government. - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in government subsidies per year. - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural Electric Administration. - use VA health services. - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire. - call the police and fire department when they need help. - send their kids to public schools. Amazing. Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
As little as 1v with enough currant will kill you. It's not voltage that kills but rather the currant. It takes 200ma to stop your hear but to get that much to the hear you have a lot of resistance to overcome and with only a small amount of voltage you need a lot of juice. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:30:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! 24 volts won't kill you. 25 volts will; with enough current. :-) At 10:00 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: By low, I was talking about 24 volts. I know the electric company calls 120 volts. My point was I'm not taking a bucket near any electrical power lines, period. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: More people die every year from low voltage than from high. Or so I've been told. But that may not be quite right: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/98-131/epidemi.html#fig1 Still, far too many deaths from ALL voltages. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! Not near high power lines. With that said, your comments are very good advice and well taken. It wasnt long ago that a co-worker at the electric company I was at was killed up in a bucket. We should all take high power seriously. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: You mean to say that you've never ended up with the bucket or boom in a place that you didn't expect it to get? I sure have! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day! One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket I'll assume you meant bucket truck. The day we bought our bucket truck and brought it home, I took a 3/8 drill bit to about 3 places in the bottom of the bucket to let water out. That's not a good idea. You now give a place for electricity to run through your body if you happen to move between a ground source and an electrical line. I've thought of doing that to my truck, but it's really not hard to just dump the buckets. I've worked for several electric companies and understand the reasoning behind this. But, if you dont use a bucket near high power lines then its not an issue. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
If you want call our sales team and they can send you a dead 433 board and you can take the slot of it (all you would need is to pay shipping). However to do that you would need a air rework gun. Done it numerous times, takes about 15-20 min to take the bad one off, remove the working one and solder the good one back. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:05 I have a 433ah I dropped a month or so ago from about, oh, a hundred feet... Hitting guy wires all the way down to boot.. Broke one of the ears off the mini pci card nearest the top edge. That slot is now dead for all intents and purposes but the card is still working fine. Anyone know of a source for surface mount mini pci slots that can be used for replacement? Not to worry, I can solder, we're old school. Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color?
When it comes to trademark a color it is very strict and very limited if memory serves me right. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:05:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color? Imagine, if you will, some nut job (me) who had too much money (not me) and went about trade marking colors for different uses like some people squat on domain names. Could be a mess. Interesting but still a mess. I bet there are safeguards someplace for that. Has to be. I want to trademark the smell of bread. If you want to make bread that smells like bread, you need to pay me a royalty for every loaf. I bet it could partially fly, or at least get me on the Howard Stern show. (gag) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color? Deere has Deere green. Ridiculous as it seems it's true. On 12/9/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was looking through some invoices and just caught that UPS has a trademark on the color Brown. HUH? I guess in the context of a package delivery company it would stick but man, what about shades of brown? So I was thinking, as I randomly do, if I use every primary color in different versions of my logo and trademark them all, wouldn't that leave any other wireless company with no colors to do a darned thing with? Just seems silly to trademark a color. Can I trademark cats? Or smells? Or maybe the smell of a cat? Who would want to. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability
Believe it's all in this shipment that is due in. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West To: e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Sent: Dec 9, 2009 22:23 Yeah, UBNT said you're getting some late this week, first of next. Hope you have some sectors by the end of the year, have to spend a little more, so says the accountant. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Rocket5's are on their way. Shouldn't be long now. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Sent: Dec 9, 2009 21:52 If anyone is interested, I was on the hunt for some UBNT Rocket 5 M's today and Ben over at UBNT steered me to invictuswireless.com. Never heard of them before but they had some. By some good mistake their site says both that it is in stock and temporarily out of stock so I think no one is ordering but they told me they had them so I clicked and they've shipped. How long has it been since anyone begged for Nano2s??? Man, everyone has scads of them in stock now. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
Ahh well then you got the equipment. We got plenty of un-repairable boards one of these days will have to send them of for recycling. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West To: e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:55 Can do. I started using Chip Quik for removing SMD's a couple of years ago and gave up the air gun. Still have it, just really liked the Chip Quik. Started using it to remove power surge damaged lan chips from motherboards and now use it for lots of other things. Was a god send for removing laptop power jacks. I've even used it to replace bad flash chips on various boards as well as replace some integrated ram on a laptop. I'll give them a call. Thanks a bunch! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? If you want call our sales team and they can send you a dead 433 board and you can take the slot of it (all you would need is to pay shipping). However to do that you would need a air rework gun. Done it numerous times, takes about 15-20 min to take the bad one off, remove the working one and solder the good one back. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source? Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:05 I have a 433ah I dropped a month or so ago from about, oh, a hundred feet... Hitting guy wires all the way down to boot.. Broke one of the ears off the mini pci card nearest the top edge. That slot is now dead for all intents and purposes but the card is still working fine. Anyone know of a source for surface mount mini pci slots that can be used for replacement? Not to worry, I can solder, we're old school. Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind! - RMA on a Mikrotik 411 board, anyone?
Of course it matters who it came from :( because the dist have to pay to send the board back to Latvia and if it's surge damage then we pay to bring the board back again all for a $79 board and it takes generally 3-4 months at best to get them fixed (or returned not fixed because it was deemed surge damage). I'm sure streakwave don't want to pay for the shipping on a board they didn't sell (make any money on) and neither do we. On our invoices you will have the board serial number. If you had the system I'd you could retrieve the key and see whom it was bought from. But I would dare to assume you don't have the key.. Call our RMA line or send a e-mail to r...@wisp-router and the girls will look up your serial number if it came from us and if that is the case take care of your rma. But if the board worked for 4months I would think MT will not warranty it. Now if it was new unused they might. /Eje CTO, WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:48 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! - RMA on a Mikrotik 411 board, anyone? Turned out to be The 411 card. HUH? I hear ya say. I dunno either. I attacked the cables first thing, replaced the pig tail, the short extension of lmr-400 from the pac grid to enclosure, cat5 to router. Man! Still dead! So I connected my laptop directly into the 411 board and no response. Reset, still nothing. Lights up, gives me one beep but never completes the boot, no cute beep beep of satisfaction. Got it here at home, no manner of resetting gets it, can't get in via serial. Could go with the jtag but I don't want to deal with putting the pins on it. Bummer. Only 4 months old, this one is. Now where did I buy the thing? is what I'm asking myself. MT says to RMA through the distributor but I pick these things up from whoever has the UBNT stuff in stock at the time, I just add to the order. The invoices don't list the MAC ID or serial number, not that I can see. Could be Streakwave, Wlanparts or Wisp-router. I think I bought a few things form Jeffs Soho, might have just been 433's Anyhow, any tips on the RMA on these things? Does it really matter who gets the hit? I'd vote for Streakwave, they're closer. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! The last time I experienced that, it was a bad cable end, where the wind had shaken the last 18 inches of 400 size cable - the distance from the last clamp to the N connector, and the N connector had literally shaken apart. The entire braiding had broken loose and the compression on the foam inner had crushed until the whole cable began creeping out of the connector.It was cold, and even the shrink wrap had cracked, and the tape wrapped over that was just slowly stretching... -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wind! Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. I was monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83. Up and down. I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it now before it gets worse. I go out, first end solid as can be. I even shake the heck out of it, all good. I guess the other end is messed up. Go out, also solid. Look at the laptop, still bouncing. Using pac 28dbi grids with 411 boards R52h cards on both sides. First grid is at 60', second at 100' No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye. It's only 4 miles out. Link is normally -72. Maybe junk being tossed up in the wind? That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think. Just sharing. Weird. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability
Rocket5's are on their way. Shouldn't be long now. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Robert West Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability Sent: Dec 9, 2009 21:52 If anyone is interested, I was on the hunt for some UBNT Rocket 5 M's today and Ben over at UBNT steered me to invictuswireless.com. Never heard of them before but they had some. By some good mistake their site says both that it is in stock and temporarily out of stock so I think no one is ordering but they told me they had them so I clicked and they've shipped. How long has it been since anyone begged for Nano2s??? Man, everyone has scads of them in stock now. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EEI 100' Monopole Cell Tower
I have a trylon section 1 2 that I don't need. Anyone need or want I will part with them cheap. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Stuart Pierce Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: spie...@avolve.net ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EEI 100' Monopole Cell Tower Sent: Dec 8, 2009 21:18 I've come across a good deal on a tower if anyone wants information on it, $15K for this and never erected. I'm looking for Trylon 96'er towers and of course who has the least expensive ones and the closer the better for shipping. spie...@avolve.net Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!
80+ and sunny here ;) To bad it will not last long. Can see why Gino lives here in the Carribbean. Talk about Gino should past by him shortly ;) (Alright so I'm on vacation on a Disney Cruise to the eastern Carribbean) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:33:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! It's snowing here! Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] It's too darn cold! It's cold. I spent all day and most of the night working on a tower and my feet are frozen. Time for new boots and the rest of the winter gear.. Anyone have winter gear that they swear by and not AT? I use steel toed boots (lesson learned the hard and painful way) and usually buy whatever looks good, clothing wise, from TSC. Everything is pretty much worn out, time for crap to keep me warm. Ideas so that I don't freeze to death? And gloves! Man, I never have found gloves I could wear AND use my hands at the same time. So as usual Who loves what and who hates what? Thanks. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance
I would say the problems is lawyers. When a skilled good doctor that is nationally renowned as a OB can't make a living as a OB alone yet he is always busy but end up doing plastic surgery on the side because his malpractice insurance is so high (yet never had to use it) but he has to carry it. On the prices I seen the clear opposite. The insurance companies have allowed prices what the doctors can charge. If you don't have insurance you can end up paying full premiums which sometimes can be twice as much as health insurance allowed fees. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:26:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance I believe it is the doctors/hospitals causing the issues with high insurance. Here as a good example... True Story: I have two friends that have children that needed/had the same operation. Friend 1 had insurance, Friend 2 did not. They went to the same doctors and same hospitals. Friend 1 with insurance was charged around $40,000 total for the child's surgery. Friend 2, that did not have insurance, told them up front, and the cost was around $15,000 total. There were no complications in either case. I also made a trip to the emergency room a few years ago. I was charged $10 for 1 Tylenol. So something smells awful fishy here. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:17:43 -0600 The answer to your first question is our government currently limits where insurance companies can offer their coverage. Open up the entire country to all health insurance companies and you'll see competition increase and prices decrease. This is economics 101, but our elected officials can't seem to get their arms around it...or simply choose not to. Your second question/point is correct. Creating a government option will discourage competition resulting in a single payer system. With a single payer system it is my opinion the cost will go up and the services provided will go down. Without competition I see this as the only outcome. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being
Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMappingPrograms...
On top of it the samsung units play nice together. Got samsung led TV, samsung blueray and a samsung soundbar. And wireless subwoffer. Turn on the TV and sound and tv comes on, select blueray source and blue ray comes on. Don't matter if you use the blue ray remote opr the tv remote. Ahh the relif and ease to make all the cool stuff work ubiquisily. Out of the box on top of everything (getting spoiled with old age) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:33:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for MappingPrograms... We've moved to Samsung monitors. And the home TV is Samsung too. I LOVE these units. Much much better on the eyes than anything I've ever used short of a good quality CRT. marlon - Original Message - From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for MappingPrograms... I have a pair of 48 Vizio LCDs mounted on the wall for various infrastructure monitoring using the RGB inputs and a dual output card in a Dell desktop. They work pretty well but they both had issues with dim picture after about 3 months... Replaced the power outlet to them and the warrenty replaced both displays. So far so good for the last year or so. Makes it MUCH easier to monitor at a glance critical systems without having to use up more of my primary PC's desktop (tri monitor setup)... Picture attached - we usually have a number of telemetry monitoring applications up... On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Tell that to Alvarion. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:36:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Shipment is supposed to arrive tomorrow. Cleared customs thursday last week. Was put on truck from CA friday. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:15:28 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Hey, I have LOTS of UBNT stuff made from unobtanium. Works very well when I'm able to find it. That's quality, boy! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Rfantennadesign.com /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:15:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't find the new one. Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, the most troublesome I have used. They were even heavier than the pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep them pointed properly in high winds. They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with. 2 out of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months later.The price was very cheap, however. And, they did appear to have roughly the gain they claimed. I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done. THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas. Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox... They raised the prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from them except j arm mounts. Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company, and I recall they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than Pacwireless. I no longer recall the name they operated under. Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :) The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good. We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless totally suck.They're weak, clumsy, and even look strange. THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a few bucks. We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some had the beam off to the side, or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water right past the shrink wrap. A couple of temporary installs we used just filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself. Still, we keep using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative. If one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent installs. I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it and it's been fine ever since... the temp install has now made it through several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST big rain this summer. -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4
Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna
Or change the clients channel first before you change the AP... Also in WDS slave mode the client will automatically follow the AP / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds. He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came up with the idea of using wds to get them service. It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds client will not change automatically. You have to go out and manually change the client's channel. A real pain. LaRoy McCann Robert West wrote: I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection on the Nanostation and how are you using them? I have never utilized it but last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to their service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me. Was concerned though about creating headaches. I have enough already. Any thoughts? Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
At one point I was desperate and used some cat3 keystones with cat5 cabling worked fine for some of the short runs I did but one of the runs was almost 100ft and I had to force the network card into 10mbit mode to be able to get any communication going through that link (it would auto neg at 100 but I could get and data through). 6mo later we replaced the computer and couldn't get data com going on the new computer for a long while until I finally remembered that I had used the cat3 keystones and replaced them and things was working again. A Pain in the rear will never do that again. Might be able to make it work NOW but later when equipment is replaced and it isn't working will you remember what you don't and get it working quickly again? Not worth considering in the long run if you ask me. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:06:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+ on cat 3? Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an animal exists, I could use it, which is why I asked. We may be in game of semantics here. Can you get 100Mbps? I suppose a short cable on the bench might do it but not in the field reliably. In my experience, in order to get a reliable connection over cat 3, I had to lock down the switch ports to 10Mbps. I would never claim to know it all but I've been around the block a time or two. The windings are to cancel out EMF which can cause errors that affect speed due to transmission retries. The speed capability of a cable is due to the quality of its wire rating - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable Obviously, by utilizing more that 2 pair, you can do some interesting things. -RickG On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. Can easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much effort. No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made. Most phone line isn't clean like a network cable you would run. Who knows where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure. If it was the best option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its face. There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in the home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. That was in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. I never saw them used though. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references to the standard being 10Mbps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable Any examples? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] T1 pci card
Your not saying what you plan to use the card with. Digium have some nice T1 cards at affordable price and some other are listed on Asterisk supported hardware that are affordable. But none of those are supported by MikroTik or Imagestream. If your using a DIY router running linux you could make those work. Since I know a lot ot people use MikroTik I assume that is what your doing but last I checked there was no new affordable cards supported by MT unless you consider $1k affordable and those cards are since discontinued and only new card I could find that supported that is still sold new is disgusting expensive ($2k+ for single port). /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jason Wallace Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T1 pci card Sent: Nov 18, 2009 10:13 Anyone know where (if?) I can get a PCI card to connect to a T1 for less than the $400 or so I have found on my own? I'd like to Integrate some of my equipment and eliminate a cisco 2610 that's really doing nothing but converting my T1 to an ethernet port. It's no worth $400 to do this however... Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Would be nice if we choose what post to reply to especially when the post is. 7+ days old to begin with and been discussed in detail over that time. Especially when input is just personal opinion and not a solution to a problem. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:06:47 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Shouldn't be any extra time on billing, tracking, analyzing, the billing system that does all of the other automation in the company should do that as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Marlon, With thousands of wireless users, I think our unlimited eat all you want is working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors (DSL, wireless, cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly. You are brining in $1k extra per month... but it would be interesting to see how much extra time is being spent on that system... including the billing, phone calls, tracking, analyzing, etc. You would be better off to just upgrade those higher usage customers to a more expensive monthly plan, and stop worrying about billing for overage. You would make more profit each month by doing so. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html We've done this for years. Brandon Checkalets built the software that we use. We bill on usage. Lowish base price, but relatively high overage fees. We bill out about $1k per month in overages. Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. We have lost a few customers due to this. But they are net negative customers so I don't mind. After all, there are two main goals in business. One, turn a profit, two, make sure your competition doesn't. Loosing someone that's pulling 20+ gigs per month certainly isn't helping my competition's services at all! We just compare the billing mechanism to things people are already paying as they go. Stuff like gas, food, electricity, cell phone minutes, clothes, water, tires, um, everything else in life! If they are really sharp I'll explain how the all you can eat all of the time only works if there is a monopoly with artificially high prices for everyone else. marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I don't want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I think they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new applications. I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding the network. Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your customers responses? What are your tiers? Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy? We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the letter saying we are doing it and why. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Middle next week or at worst end of. Next week. Keep an eye on our twitter page for updates (twitter.com/wisprouter) . /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:18:01 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; n...@brevardwireless.comn...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I have been hearing 'bout that '1-2 week period' for about 10 weeks now. Ryan On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Wlanparts has it. I also got an email from Ben over at Ubiquiti who says ...the big volumes haven't landed yet...There are some that have hit over the past couple of days, but the big volumes will be hitting in that 1-2 week period. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Where from? Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 The boat has arrived..! Shesh I was able to order so much that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Yes a rb450g works great. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:36:24 To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
That is my take on it and what the author of the article hints about. Cisco started in on the server market earlier this year where HP is big. HP now get more serious about networking and expand product offering. 3com is also pretty successful in China so would assume buying 3com will give HP access and control of 3coms Chines channel as well. HP hitting back against Cisco and 3com might not be the last acquisition in the close future. The fight might just have finished round 2. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:42:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln Market share? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
This article very nicely outlines possibilities behind the move. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2009/tc2009_678209.htm / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
