Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] public subnet
Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across my entire network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house NAT) I would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things start to look wrong. RickG wrote: OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a couple of customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer tower. Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the net with the public ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the same tower although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the both WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is running 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and mine is a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is that the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops before. Any thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] public subnet
Mmmm. bridging CPE, make sure its not proxy arping. Check your RIP, if its turned on, on both the wrap and Csico, should be seen. Where is the IP that is doing NAT located, on the RB450? The only way I had that work correctly was to drop all chain rules and tell NAT to source 10.0.0.0/8 when going out dst interface. I have 2 routers at the core one for BGP etc upstream, the other for NAT and in building hand-off (couple lans's and wireless, then the BH's to the rest of the network + the hotspot). RickG wrote: I agree but traceroutes run perfectly. Just to be clear, here is the setup: Inet-RB450G(Firewall)-WRAP/StarOS-CPE-Customer Device (Cisco). The subnet is 204.62.63.76/30. RB450G has the subnet defined in the filter rules as chain forward. The wireless interface on the WRAP has 204.62.63.77 assigned. The CPE is in bridge mode so its on a private IP. The Cisco has 204.62.63.78 assigned to ether1. All with a 255.255.255.252 subnet mask. I tested with my laptop in place of the router. One strange item I noticed. I'm running RIP and it does not see the WRAP with 204.62.63.77 assigned. Any other ideas? -RickG On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across my entire network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house NAT) I would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things start to look wrong. RickG wrote: OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a couple of customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer tower. Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the net with the public ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the same tower although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the both WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is running 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and mine is a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is that the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops before. Any thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
SShhh, don't tell him that, hes a StarOS guy =) Along the same, my primary site went down last night, cycling every 30~45seconds. -15F reported at the site this morning. RB433 is spec'd for -4FW T F Time to replace it with a few NS's and a RB450/750 in better temp controlled case. To bad they do not make a RB790 with POE =) jp wrote: I don't think an rb14 can handle the power need of multiple XR cards. I'd suggest unless you have a good reason besides saving $100, either use routerboards or stick to manufactured radio systems from a reputable and reliable manufacturer. You pay more money or give up a little flexibility, but it gives YOU more time to gain customers, sleep, etc... I love tinkering as much as the next guy, and I have a a variety of MT links, but I stick to familiar and trusted components despite the alluring variety of parts out there. Far Far outnumbering MT radios on my network are brand name radios from folks like Alvarion, Trango, and others. If I built all my radios and APs, I'd be out of business in a hurry as I'd be working full time tinkering instead of running an ISP, or hiring staff to build radio equipment instead of installing and taking care of customers. On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:49:59AM -0800, MDK wrote: It's 2:30 AM... I just drove up to the house, and walked VERY fast inside. After all, weather.com says that it's 12 degrees and an 8 MPH wind. In their head, maybe.Outside of the little valley I live in, the wind's more like 25 mph. There's no snow on the ground. I don't make a habit of staying up late, but last night, I was doing one of those let's just have some fun looking around sessions on EBAY. Next thing I knew, it was nearly 3AM. Without shutting anything down, I just crawled into bed. At 8:45 my cell phone rang... I didn't answer it, but I did get up. Looked at my computer and Peer Monitor says... nothing is connected.Now, I have had some issues with one of the dist points a few miles outside of town.It had randomly locked up 3 times last week. Each time, I thought I had found the problem and not worried about it. The first time for instance, it was extremely dense fog, and I found the ventilation fan running in the box. Thinking I had sucked in too much damp, I just shut it off and rebooted. The locked up system is a mini-itx board and RB 14 adapter card W/4 radios... Obviously, I was wrong. Something was wrong. It had run since Friday, but now it's Sun AM and PM says I've been off for 3 hours. It's died 2 other times since the fog incident, so... Houston, we have a problem... I quick yanked on some clothes and drove up the mountain to the site, used the step ladder to get to the box lid and looked in. Restarted and everything went off just fine. But, it's now done this several times. And that's not good or right. I look in the van. Spare mini-ITX board, licensed. Spare RB14, 2 spare radios, including an XR5, just like what's up there.Anyway, morning zips by, and I have an appointment in the afternoon to switch a family friend's computer out for her. So, I go to do that and she's not home. That's odd. I could have sworn she said she'd be there at 2... I wanted to be home, nice and warm and setting up the new board so I could change in in daylight tomorrow. So, I go to the workshop and do some stuff I've been putting off and ... fall asleep, waiting for an OS install to finish. When I wake up, it's after 5. Must have slept at least 15 min... Sheesh. So, I get up, drive over to house, start the project. 30 min later, my phone beeps. Text message... Site's down.ARRRGGH. 25 minute drive to the site and I reboot it.Go home, pull out the parts and start to assemble the whole thing. It goes down again . Drive back up, restart. This time, nothing will coax it into running. Finally, I pull everything out, and take it home. Now the phone's going nuts. I just put 60 customers down. I take it home, cause it's COLD out there on the hillside... and everything runs flawlessly. Just to be judicious, I grab a config backup off of it, 'cause it's changed lately and my last backup is a few weeks old. I haul it up the mountain, put it back in place... No run. So, I go home, grab the spare mini-itx, use the backup config and haul it up the mountain. Won't boot. Doesn't even beep.Power comes on, but no beep. Haul it down the mountain, back home (this is .7 miles of rocky pasture I drive through at idle in 1st gear, then 5 miles of paved road. Takes 20 min round trip) with all the parts. Runs flawlessly. Haul it back up the mountain, plug it in, boots, but locks 5 to 60 seconds after booting. Inspect EVERYTHING (it's dark, so had to do it all by flashlight) again. I see nothing. So, I grab the spare RB14, switch the radios over and plug it
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Jayson Baker wrote: I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. What exactly are you referring to? On the older 802.11a/b/g devices I see Multicast Rate. But on the Rocket/Bullet/Nano N-series (M series) I don't see Multicast Rate, just Allow all Yup the M's I have do not allow you to set a fixed rate. I should have been clearer in that I meant that the AirMax stuff was different then the AirOS stuff. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:20 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. Jayson Baker wrote: IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until we started doing this. Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it over EoIP. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing requirements of securing the data stream for non OTA channels. Jayson Baker wrote: I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing requirements of securing the data stream for non OTA channels. Jayson Baker wrote: I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
I will need to test that. The setting lets you use any valid modulation for the RF mode your in. I will also test with my B5M's. Jayson Baker wrote: IIRc, multicast is limited at the 6Mbps modulation on WiFi Tell me I'm wrong, please. But I've read it a couple times--compeltely forgot until we started doing this. Before, when we were watching IPTV off our fiber headend, we were doing it over EoIP. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: You can change the multicast rate on the non airmax units. Mine are enroute so have not tried with the airmax gear. I have not heard back about the units. At 130 ea, a Roku with the same features as the low end unit, will be more cost effective. I am still researching about the licensing requirements of securing the data stream for non OTA channels. Jayson Baker wrote: I seem to remember the low-end ones were around $130/ea. Not sure about the others. Price will vary based on where you buy and in what quantity I assume. Remembered that standard 802.11 will only multicast at around 1Mbps. So that's why we were having the problem with the multicast over AirMax equipment. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.comwrote: Did you get any pricing for the Amino STB's? I would like to know more about your setup. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mushroom Truffle BBNA
I would not know. After discovering how the device/service works I went with a BGP bonded setup that is half the cost, even tho the data lines cost more. Jeff Broadwick wrote: I'm not sure they've figured out their voice issues. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mushroom Truffle BBNA Understand that what they do is have a co-lo where they have lots and lots of BW (one hopes). Then, tunnel out across the links at your end into the colo, and bond the tunnels. You then look like their IP's to the world. http://mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1009 NGL wrote: Has anyone had any experience with the Mushroom Truffle BBNA Router? http://www.mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1000 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mushroom Truffle BBNA
Understand that what they do is have a co-lo where they have lots and lots of BW (one hopes). Then, tunnel out across the links at your end into the colo, and bond the tunnels. You then look like their IP's to the world. http://mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1009 NGL wrote: Has anyone had any experience with the Mushroom Truffle BBNA Router? http://www.mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
I run everything client in as a router (no nat) and have a central nat server. no pesky nat tables at the client end, or my end (MT, 1gb ram, 1.2ghz p3) and never sees more then ~15% cpu. AP's run in bridged mode for that few extra cycles, with a MT behind em. Mark Stephenson wrote: If the CPEs are bridged and customers own the router, how do you protect your network from people entering invalid or duplicate Ips or other nasty things that they might do? Thanks, Mark On 11/17/09 9:56 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get installed and love the service. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. Dumb question: What are you left with if you lose your insanity? :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
That seams reasonable. Did I understand you correctly earlier in that you can not talk about the license process due to NDA, or due to not being directly involved? I will be contacting Avail Media and checking into their offerings. Jayson Baker wrote: We got OK to do it over MT equipment in unlicensed bands. Their concern was that A) they didn't want it going over any sort of public network (i.e. WiFi Hotspot) and B) encryption remained in-tact from the headend to the STB. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless. My question is when you all are saying wireless, do you mean unlicensed 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz, or do you mean wireless technology in general? My company utilizes 2.5 and 3.65ghz, which are the same frequencies we'd be looking to use to deploy IPTV. -- Blake Covarrubias On Nov 15, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried numerous times. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
?There is no way they can make you take them all, i know of hundreds of CATV systems that only have ONE non OTA channel in order to qualify as CATV and charge in the 25~35 range. Check the FCC CATV DB and you can locate them too. I do not want hundreds of channels or VoD right now. Also, you cna get 32 channel ASI cards for about $1000, and a ASIIP box for about $2000. I am looking at other methods of providing the IP stream, preferably to purchase it directly. Then the headend becomes a caching IP stream box. I understand what is being said about needing to maintain the encryption from start to finish. I will ask about this and find out whos encryption this would be. If you have some specific contacts that said no to wireless, I would like to talk with them if that is possible. Mike Hammett wrote: A couple racks of equipment to provide a couple hundred channels and enough VoD just takes money. Usually when you want one channel from a content provider, they make you offer them all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video delivery service is not bound by the same CATV must carry rules. Why do you say 500k for a real system? As if it costing less makes it not real? Or do you mean some industry we decide this is what/how you will do it setup? Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried numerous times. Expect to dump about $500k into a real system to do IPTV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XR2 radio firmware
The atheros driver contains the radio firmware. Thats part of what the 'driver' is. The firmware is (in part) what decides if you can do 5/10/20/40 etc modes and the driver is how you interface into those features. Josh Luthman wrote: Not to my knowledge. The only software you can change is the driver (Atheros). Kind of like a PCI video or sound card in a PC. On 11/16/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: Is there firmware on the Ubiquity radio cards that can be updated via Mikrotik? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Well thats exactly what I had in mind. Its the licensing portion that is getting me. Now, the requirement for enc to the STB, is not that big a deal, unless they can mandate what type and such. I also know that some places are doing a IP feed over there digital channel @19mbit (2sd 1 hd, iirc). In order to dump that to a IP network takes just a receiver and Ethernet connection. Jayson Baker wrote: Interestingly enough, I've had a project lying on my desk for a couple weeks now which requires streaming live content to a large group of people in a neighborhood (think of it as a neighborhood association wanting to broadcast their meetings to their residents). I don't know why I didn't see the similarity between this post and that project. I just spent the last couple hours working on this, and now have a Linux server streaming the content out over the wireless network multicast without any issues. Taking a deeper look... We have ASI-input cards from Linear Systems. They take 4 ASI streams... maybe 32 each? I can't remember. A quick look on eBay found some Moto C-Band receivers that output 32 ASI streams for under $1000. An entire receiving, encoding, streaming headend for under 100 channels could be built for probably under $25,000. I don't know what you're after, but if there is some serious interest in putting effort into something like this, we might be on board. Jayson On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Blake, In general the IPTV principles being discussed would apply to any broadband wireless system either license-free, licensed, or licensed-lite. jack Blake Covarrubias wrote: I've read the responses from others who are running IPTV over wireless. My question is when you all are saying wireless, do you mean unlicensed 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz, or do you mean wireless technology in general? My company utilizes 2.5 and 3.65ghz, which are the same frequencies we'd be looking to use to deploy IPTV. -- Blake Covarrubias On Nov 15, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried numerous times -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
That is why my target is to just qualify for being a CATV operator (and my target spots are the same, less then 15 channels, all but one is OTA). Using multicast, all say, 20 channels will head out, no extra use per TV and no VoD. (for the wireless network). This also assumes its a dedicated sector for iptv or has the margin to support both. The DSL network OTOH, can support 2 to 5 channels per link, so as long as you have the BW into the ATM and then out to the remote dslams, your ok for making it a pure VoD channel setup. Only stream the ones needed when needed and it will reduce per CPE use with a over all higher network use. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: We successfuly transmitted all of our programming over MikroTik wireless links without any problems. Including HD. I have one doubt. Let's say that one SD/HD channel takes 1Mbps (just to make math simple) and let's say that the number of total available channel is 50. (the total number or channel is not a real problem to me, but let's say the number is very high, 50 or 100) Multicast can help a lot (if it's broadcast not video on demand) but my doubt is about the number of simultaneous IPTV channels per sector antenna (i.e. per radio channel). If you have 20 customers on the same sector, each one of them watching a different TV channel you need 20Mbps per sector + the normal internet traffic. Let's say 30Mbps per sector. Or you can think to use a second sector IF the area is not so crowded. So the more successful is the service, the more problem you have on the radio channel (access network). So my concern is not on the backbone, it is on the access network. Another point is: what happens when you experience interference in the area? Web surfing can be acceptable with some interference, but IPTV is a pain. Personally I would feel safer in licensed frequencies, but this is my feeling, comments are welcome also about this. Other doubt: one user means maximum one channel per user? Or the same user can watch multiple IPTV channels at the same time? (e.g. I have 2 tv, so I put two IPTV boxes kids watch Disney, I watch football) Any wireless operator that is massively using IPTV wants to comment? Thank you WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
This is pretty easy to do. I had a small app I tried out a few years ago. It would test a connection out and do a few link diagnostics. It also checked a webserver and would display notices, etc, for reporting downtime, repair schedules and what not. Overall, it was not much of a hit with people. I have toyed with the idea of bring it back and adding twitter updates and the likes. It would be pretty easy to add a bw/$ display to it, depending on the bw manager setup. I can see about rustling it up again. Mike Hammett wrote: Daily, maybe even hourly bandwidth web based usage history and a running meter down in the system tray? Then they can yell at the kid for using 5 gigs in the afternoon, who cares if he was there to use it or not Just like he left the TV on and it used power for two hours. They get billed either way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and a friend shows up... decides to go down the street but leaves it running till mom and dad gets home at 6:00 PM? Then mom and dad decide to rent a movie. To me, I am counting on over-selling the bandwidth and that is where the profit is. My dynamic is changing and the only thing that makes sense is to pay if you use it ... more than normal. I am looking for pros and cons of metered/tiered billing. I have heard from many as to why they wouldn't and don't, so who is billing tiered and/or metered? The questions still stand. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 Fat-fingered from my phone! On Nov 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in. I find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can be delivered. BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an non-subsidized all you can eat service company in a competitive market that actually makes money (bottom line). On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years, and even tested it for a bit. Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess. I, myself, being a fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an unlimited plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan. I have unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc. If I could pay for unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too! We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could activate it at anytime. We tried selling it about a year ago, and people just didn't understand the concept. People aren't used to it--most people got online when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and don't remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages. Nobody knows what ISDN with 300 hours is. We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo. This makes us the fastest in the area, and the cheapest. We have local sales, support and installations. We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we offer three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps. If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e. normal use) you'll always see the 12Mbps. But once you fire up a torrent or Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you get your guaranteed minimum. Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again going to 6Mbps. We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this structure. I'm hoping that the big guys do go to pay-per-use plans. Just one more way we can advertise and win against them. Tired of counting your bits and bytes? We're unlimited Look at Cricket wireless--they've just exploded with customers on their unlimited-everything service. Just my 2 cents Jayson On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited plan on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet access for $9.95/mo extra. People don't want to guess what their internet bills are going to be from month to month. Would you
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing (time of use billing)
Oh my that is insane kw/h pricing. Happen to know what there buy back rates are? Here I pay .07 kw/h with a buy back of .02 kw/h. I have thought of doing time rates, but for now I turn down p2p, etc, during peek times and kick it up at off peek. This worked well till the major push over to encrypted connections Tim Sylvester wrote: Talking about electric billing in this thread made me think of time-of-use billing and tiered billing rate schedules for electrical usage. PGE has multiple rate schedules. The standard consumer rate schedule starts at $0.115 per KWh and grows to $0.44 per KWh for usage over 300% of the baseline. They also have time-of-use billing schedules which start at $0.087 per KWh during off-peak times in the summer and move up to $0.297 per KWh during peak times. Has anyone considered tiered usage billing or time-of-use billing for Internet access? It would be complicated to implement and also difficult to explain to customers. If Bit Torrent users are the biggest consumers of bandwidth on a network you could benefit by encouraging them to use the network during off hours. Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video delivery service is not bound by the same CATV must carry rules. Why do you say 500k for a real system? As if it costing less makes it not real? Or do you mean some industry we decide this is what/how you will do it setup? Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried numerous times. Expect to dump about $500k into a real system to do IPTV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Josh Luthman wrote: You have to spend a lot of money getting the rights from the channels - this is painful. I expected this part to take some time. In all honesty the target sites (one no longer has a coax corp, the other has ONE non OTA channel, so as to qualify as a CATV sys) is you start with one channel (but prefer a small set). An alternative is to resell service from a company that already has this. I believe you must use the feed from that particular company, but I could be wrong. Do you mean you have to have their wireless feed? Or, do you need their IP feed? It is 'simple' to setup a IP feed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:50 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video delivery service is not bound by the same CATV must carry rules. Why do you say 500k for a real system? As if it costing less makes it not real? Or do you mean some industry we decide this is what/how you will do it setup? Mike Hammett wrote: Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless. The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried numerous times. Expect to dump about $500k into a real system to do IPTV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
NetFlix has a dynamic codec and bandwidth sensor. I have a few customers that stream. They all have asked why it starts out nice and slowly starts to look worse. I explain that they start out at 10mbit and lose X% bandwidth over Y Time till they are at the 2mb account they have paid for. One upgraded and they others have not. They all signed up before I did bit billing so they have not been hit with a insane bill, yet. Nick Olsen wrote: I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams. When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935) Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is good for making the videos load faster. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I can find a 'prepackaged' setup with more. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out the fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could get it at my house 20 miles away. The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you cannot just roll your own Middleware handles billing, authentication, licenses, guide, etc. I must be missing something. It seams to me that billing and authentication are simple and can be handled by the system that I pretty much have in place now. I am not sure what licenses such software would need to deal with. A guide is pretty easy too, unless there is some form of 'Intellectual Property' BS going on with rolling your own guide capabilities. Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think you'll be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about HBO. You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before to negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. Yea thats what I figured. Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, you pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their headend, their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that is it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already used to. What I have looked into with them is they have a may not cross public right of way clause making is useless for anything except MDU's, or is that only with dish network label setups? Will check it out. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google
I agree and disagree with you. NAT is good and works well for most home users. I have issues with consoles and NAT, wherein I have many users who want to game together, and xbox doesn't let that happen nicely. I hand out 1 public to those who need it, more for those who want to pay. As for network redundancy and the failover. That works just fine with publics, better if you have your own ASN. I agree that having your own ASN raises costs and there is a pretty step learning curve to using it and using it well. There are trade offs to both methods and you found one that works for you. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I believe that we have fixed this by using the StarOS policy routing to split up some of our subnets to SourceNAT through a different IP address on our NAT server. If we are going to get into the public vs. privates discussion, well I have used NAT for customer IP addresses from day 1. I used to use publics, but it was a tremendous pain in the ass, and would be very difficult to implement on my current network design (routed subnets at every single location) so I have no interest in giving each customer their own public IP address. There are about 160 private subnets on the access points in my network, so I have no intention of switching to publics anytime soon. I also loathe PPPoE and have worked with a couple of people who tried to convert to it and converted back as soon as they could because it just didn't work as well as advertised. YMMV, but I'm just fine not using it. NAT has been very beneficial to my customers as a whole, since they are not directly exposed to the Internet and we have far fewer virus/trojan/backdoor issues because of it.We do have a few folks who need a public IP, and route several subnets of public IP addresses out to towers where public IP addresses are needed. That is fine with me, because we charge extra for the IP addresses. Just another reason for power users to move up the pricing ladder if they want the extras. Not using publics has also been a godsend as far as maintaining flexibility between backbone providers and utilization of secondary links in the event of failures. Sometime in the next month, I'm switching my primary backbone to go through a new provider that is delivering 50meg for the same price that I was previously paying for 15. Moving traffic to that backbone will be as simple as changing one line in a policy routing statement. If I was using publics, I would still be stuck with the previous provider. I don't like being hostage to outside network providers if I can avoid it. In addition to my primary backbone link, I also have backbone links with two other neighboring WISPs and the ability to route traffic to the Internet through them in the event of an outage on my network between my APs and my NOC. They can do the same thing through my network.Just last week, a set of rolling power outages took out two towers that were the redundant paths to five APs on the far eastern side of my network. OSPF figured it out and routed them out through my neighbor's network until the towers came back up and it switched back. Same thing happened on his network last month, and we handled the majority of his traffic until his backbone link was back up. That is not a very simple thing to implement with public IP addresses, but it was pretty easy to make it happen with privates. So yeah, I have my reasons for using NAT. Switching to publics is a rhetorical answer, not a useful one. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Mike Hammett wrote: I believe Matt has around 5k subs, maybe I'm wrong. At 5k subs, his cost per year per IP address is $0.45. That's under $0.04/month. I'd consider that a reasonable expense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google RANT So, as with so much that goes on the lists, not just this one, oh, you aren't doing it my way so the fix is do it my way. What a bunch of baloney!! There are lots of ways to do almost everything we do as ISPs. What really needs to happen is for people to read the post, think about what the real question is and then, if and only if, the can pose a solution to the real problem, post a suggestion. But, since the only posts I have seen to Matt's is give everyone a public address, I have a few questions: So, who is going to buy Matt a block of IPs to fix this non-NAT issue? I ask, because I do as Matt does and if that is the fix, I need someone to buy me a block as well. But the issue isn't really NAT, is it? The real question is how does he deal with the current issue on his current
Re: [WISPA] Link stability
Was that the best the link would do before the wind? It might seam odd, but have you tried cross pol at one end? Ive got a dish here, the bunp on the feed is 180* off from the specs, made for lots of fun. No no, the paper says this is right, it just isn't lined up half hour later sure, lets flip the feed -- whiskey tango foxtrot! Jeromie Mark McElvy wrote: Aligned and re-aligned. I suppose there is a possibility I am catching side lobes. We climbed to realign back in the spring when we had some 70 mph gusts move things. Could not get any better than -85. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link stability Hi, According to my path calculator, this link should be -55 on each side. Are you sure it was aligned when it was first installed? Travis Microserv Mark McElvy wrote: I have a wireless backhaul link that is not as stable as I would like. It is a 15.5 mile shot that has been up for 3 years. MT/CM9/32db dish on both ends. On a clear day I am only seeing a -83 on each end. All the radio equip was replaced April 08 due to lighting, still have the original 3ft LMR-400 and antenna. I seem to remember the signal being in the -70 range prior to the lightning replacements. Right now the link is down with random reconnects with a -92 and then it will drop again. Weather is misty thick and overcast. I kinda of have a twofold question, could the weather be attenuating the signal enough to drop the connection? I think yes. Second, could I have a weakened/damaged antenna causing the general drop in signal? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStation Loco2 (can i use 2 for bridge?)
you will need to use WDS to make a true bridge. Works fine. I would go with a 5ghz radio, if for no other reason then that 99% of 'war drivers' are using 2ghz radios. You could drop to 5mhz channels and get away from that for a while but 5/10 mhz channels are coming to war drivers. Next reason would be that while not much, interference from 2.4ghz hardware (remember that is a I S M band) is enough to make me use 5ghz for all links out doors. Do not forget to turn the power WAY down on the first install and turn up slowly, that is just way to close for full power. Scott Carullo wrote: I need a 2Ghz bridge from one building to another, about 10 yards. Can I use two nanostation loco 2 radio to do this? I am unfamiliar with the ubiquity radios... Is there something better I should use? I want cheap but more importantly I want to forget its there (reliable). Speed is not important, 5mb throughput more than enough. I usually use Mikrotik but the rb411 board itself is more than the loco2 if it works. Thanks for info. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK
Yea but what does it mean for us? Everything I have seen makes this look like the FCC is only interested in the cell carriers. Maybe a trade can be done, some existing cellular spectrum is given over in exchange for the new spectrum? Id kill to have some cellular spectrum. http://ctia.org/media/press/body.cfm/prid/1866 The cell industry wants 800mhz more spectrum available to them. http://moconews.net/article/419-t-mobile-usa-requests-that-airwaves-once-set-aside-for-public-safety-be/ T-Mobile wants the shared commercial/public saftey spectrum that failed to sell to be taken away, sold, and possibly the proceeds used to build the public safty network in another spectrum. Chuck Profito wrote: HEY, SOMEBODY NOTICED!! BUT THEY MAY NOT REMEMBER US. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2fc5e1ac-b3a2-11de-ae8d-00144feab49a.html?nclick_c heck=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
I talked to US Cellular once about 5 years ago. IIRC their fee was $2000 + $750/antenna and you have to rent ground space from the land owner ($1800/mo) for 10x10. Cameron Kilton wrote: I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
How is that legal!? And does apply to all antennas or to towers? And how do they define a tower? plants face on desk Tim Sylvester wrote: In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13/Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Our kids should get together. Liam (6) and Grayson (3) both 'give the world internet' with various toys (talkie talkies). Its bad mojo to leave a radio/poe on the table with them around. They learned what magic smoke is and why its bad to let it out (RB133C + StarOS POE) =\ D. Ryan Spott wrote: Nah, she is not screwed up. My 6 year old has already told me she wants to 'play antenna' like daddy when she grows up. She also wants to drive the bucket truck as her car when she learns to drive! ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:14 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I corrected it;) What really blows my mind is that she does not want book learning she wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that she know the meaning of either. I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job that does not pay too well. And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. Gawd, I screwed her up...lol. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Rural-Urban. 7kft mountains with 3kft valleys. Highest tower is currently 1300ft over the valley and links 3 towns + rural. Working on access to a new site 30 miles away (los), 5kft elevation, would link in 4 new towns and adding around 2200sqmiles (about twice the current coverable area). In town its average tree/building density of a suburban area (100ft trees, 35ft houses). Range on the pops is 2 to 6 blocks, depending on trees, houses, etc. Most have los to a primary site, very very few run off another pop. MT is the core hotspot controller. I am working on a new hotspot page for user self registration and signup so no more 3AM calls. I have a mix of hardware but have standardized on MT, StarOS and Ubiquity in my network. I am building a new tower to test out the newest gear from Ubiquity. Jeromie Robert West wrote: What equipment are you using and what's the range and terrain are you dealing with? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When they act up they get upgraded) Mark McElvy wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Thats the point of the mpops. There are few places where I can not find some part of my network (or some other open wireless). I carry a PS2 and a bullet5 with 19db panel. Inverter in the van, spare battery + 200ft 10/3 cord, 10ft pole + tripod + cinder blocks. I can run down the block and drop a relay to get to my worksite if its REALLY that important. I pull the current info for a site before heading to it so I have it. 99.9% of all issues lately are due to A) the AP feeding the pop is down (legacy hardware) B) power has been pulled at mpop. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Depends on what you want to do with the cable, condition of the cable, etc. I did some tests with coaxial ethernet and were very impressed. Now only I could have got the local plants that went down for some larger scale testing. sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
10mhz channel, 24mbit air rate, 9.6mbit UDP, 9.3 TCP from MT to MT via MT-BS5-BS5-MT. This is a 15 mile link. It should move more data but I am CPU limited at the far end with a RB133C. UBNT AP-CPE test says 15mbit. Looks like the BS5's are not enabling compression. Mark Nash wrote: Can you verify on your AP that those features are actually functioning? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG Mmmm. My Bullet 5's have ff/comp settings. I wonder if that is a mistake? Mark Nash wrote: According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff comp: Nanostation 5 Nanostation Loco 5 Bullet 2 HP Picostation 2 HP All powerstations All others do not, including: Nanostation 2 Nanostation Loco 2 Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???) Bullet5 Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key. Not sure about OpenWRT. I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression fast frames, some don't. Is this accurate? Any success stories using the WRT firmware on these products? It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products. This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
Mmmm. My Bullet 5's have ff/comp settings. I wonder if that is a mistake? Mark Nash wrote: According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff comp: Nanostation 5 Nanostation Loco 5 Bullet 2 HP Picostation 2 HP All powerstations All others do not, including: Nanostation 2 Nanostation Loco 2 Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???) Bullet5 Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key. Not sure about OpenWRT. I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression fast frames, some don't. Is this accurate? Any success stories using the WRT firmware on these products? It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products. This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill
The real shame here is that is has nothing to do with cyber-security. There is no inbound service attack that is not better dealt with by shutting off the attacked network then by turning off everyone else. Don't forget its dirt simple to go X failed Y times, block traffic from X for Z hours with any well designed daemon. DDos's would be the only attack that would be 'better' stopped by turning off everyone else (and there are ways to deal with them too that is better imo). For bank networks, power, water, etc, they should not BE on the public internet, or at least not advertised! There is no need for the back end servers running the bank to be linked to the WWW portal in such a way that a DDoS on the WWW takes out the CC processor. bah! why rant here, anyone who can pass a Net+ exam know this. How about we demand that our public servants pass entry level education for any bill they want to propose or vote on? And a healthy watch of 'Mr Smith goes to Washington'. Extra points for anyone who knows that movie with out the help of the Internet! =) John J. Thomas wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was released. Jeromie Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullets
Will they cover damage caused by power issues? I can not see them doing it. As far as I have been able to find, no, the caps/plugs are not sold. RickG wrote: Since they've only been out since December, I'd assume all Bullets are still under manufacturers warranty? But, while on the subject - Is it possible to get the end caps and plugs? -RickG On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:11 PM, jree...@18-30chat.netjree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Anyone have some dead bullets they will sell? I am in need or 2 or 3 (mainly the end caps) Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bullets
Anyone have some dead bullets they will sell? I am in need or 2 or 3 (mainly the end caps) Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullets
My bad, I thought I had Ubnt in the topic. Ubiquiti Bullets, need 2 end caps and extra seal, or 3 end caps. Jeromie Josh Luthman wrote: We talking copper or Ubiquiti..? On 6/26/09, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Anyone have some dead bullets they will sell? I am in need or 2 or 3 (mainly the end caps) Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2 set of bullet5's and 2 hp2524's + LACP = Problems?
Are the bullets in WDS mode, if not you will have proxy ARP for one direction and not the other. This will really mess with routing/link protocols. Fire up wireshark and post a short capture (starting before adding the links to right after adding them). If you add just one link or the other, does it still behave the same way. Ryan Ghering wrote: Hello all, I got an issue that I haven't delt with before. note we HAVE done this scenario before just with diff radios and it worked. The Setup.. we have a 3/4 mile long radio shot to one of our towers that we wanted to increase bandwidth to as well as give it some redundancy. So we bought 2 links of bullet5's and 2 pac wireless 2 foot dual pole dishes. ( and yes the output DBM is set to EIRP max with the dishes. ) We get the link up the radios work awesome. -28 to -30 dbm strength. in 54mbps mode. Speedtest on both links shows 26 mbps per radio. I add in the switches which one is set active for the LACP link on ports 22 23 and 24 port 22 is the old backhaul which is a simple cisco 1242 bridged radio link port 23 and 24 are the bullets. ( same on both switches btw ) the other switch is pretty much in default mode, as per HP's config example. I enable the switch ports for the bullets to allow them to link up the lacp and it works fine for a moment then the arp flood from hell happens. Devices all over my network stop responding for long periods of time.random customers stop passing traffic. Nothing I do gets me past this point. A more in depth look at the network for this link for you. Border-Router - Extreme layer3 switch - Core router - HP2624 Switch - Packetshaper 4500ISP - Extreme layer3 switch - hp2524 (lacp) - Cisco + Bullet5's --- Cisco + Bullet5's - HP2524 (lacp) - Canopy CMM - Various AP's. I don't need the Cisco backhaul anylonger however it would be nice to maintain as backup. (Which BTW is linked up at 54mbps as well.) Also I can't seem to ping any devices in the LACP link after they connect. Anyone have any ideas why this is going on? and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Plains.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall
A RB450 should work well. You can load linux onto them if you have some special requirement or application (if so check that it will compile on mips setup). Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote: Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro. I'm looking at either implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525. Which would be the best way to go? Something with a nice GUI would be good Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New ZBot variant for Outlook
Maybe if people did not use Outbreak Express and Internet Exploiter it would not be such a problem. Charles Wyble wrote: Ah. I've been seeing a lot of those. I knew they were malware or some other nonsense. Thanks for sharing. Bleh e-mail is going to die off soon, or usage models of it will switch to white list only. It's getting to be ridiculous. David Hulsebus wrote: FYI From SANS Newsbytes 6-2-09 --Spam Spreading ZBot Masquerades as Outlook Update (June 22, 2009) Spam masquerading as a Microsoft Outlook security and stability update actually infects computers with ZBot, a Trojan horse program that steals sensitive information. The malware contains a list of financial institution and social networking sites; if users visit any of these sites on infected machines, the malware steals login and credit card information and sends it back to a server controlled by the attacker. Earlier variants of ZBot infected computers through drive-by downloads. http://www.scmagazineus.com/Fake-Microsoft-critical-update-spam-propagating-trojan/article/138823/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New ZBot variant for Outlook
I agree. And we would still see a drastic fall in spam/exploits/malware The FF team does a better job of patching for stuff then MFST does. Im not saying they are perfect by any means, just better. The add-ons for FF that make life so much better, like NoScript, Flash Block, Ad-Block and AdBlockFilterGSet make FF pretty tight. The primary issue with OE/OL/IE is that for the longest time they automatically ran VBScript embedded in email. Now the major issues are known holes that are months old and end users. Josh Luthman wrote: In reality if 75% of the world used Firefox those explots would be targeting Firefox :) On 6/23/09, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Maybe if people did not use Outbreak Express and Internet Exploiter it would not be such a problem. Charles Wyble wrote: Ah. I've been seeing a lot of those. I knew they were malware or some other nonsense. Thanks for sharing. Bleh e-mail is going to die off soon, or usage models of it will switch to white list only. It's getting to be ridiculous. David Hulsebus wrote: FYI From SANS Newsbytes 6-2-09 --Spam Spreading ZBot Masquerades as Outlook Update (June 22, 2009) Spam masquerading as a Microsoft Outlook security and stability update actually infects computers with ZBot, a Trojan horse program that steals sensitive information. The malware contains a list of financial institution and social networking sites; if users visit any of these sites on infected machines, the malware steals login and credit card information and sends it back to a server controlled by the attacker. Earlier variants of ZBot infected computers through drive-by downloads. http://www.scmagazineus.com/Fake-Microsoft-critical-update-spam-propagating-trojan/article/138823/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New ZBot variant for Outlook
Mine do. I set everyone up with the listed ones. FF is also more secure 'out of the box' Josh Luthman wrote: I don't think we want to include addons in this as the majority of users don't use any addons at all, or do they? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I agree. And we would still see a drastic fall in spam/exploits/malware The FF team does a better job of patching for stuff then MFST does. Im not saying they are perfect by any means, just better. The add-ons for FF that make life so much better, like NoScript, Flash Block, Ad-Block and AdBlockFilterGSet make FF pretty tight. The primary issue with OE/OL/IE is that for the longest time they automatically ran VBScript embedded in email. Now the major issues are known holes that are months old and end users. Josh Luthman wrote: In reality if 75% of the world used Firefox those explots would be targeting Firefox :) On 6/23/09, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Maybe if people did not use Outbreak Express and Internet Exploiter it would not be such a problem. Charles Wyble wrote: Ah. I've been seeing a lot of those. I knew they were malware or some other nonsense. Thanks for sharing. Bleh e-mail is going to die off soon, or usage models of it will switch to white list only. It's getting to be ridiculous. David Hulsebus wrote: FYI From SANS Newsbytes 6-2-09 --Spam Spreading ZBot Masquerades as Outlook Update (June 22, 2009) Spam masquerading as a Microsoft Outlook security and stability update actually infects computers with ZBot, a Trojan horse program that steals sensitive information. The malware contains a list of financial institution and social networking sites; if users visit any of these sites on infected machines, the malware steals login and credit card information and sends it back to a server controlled by the attacker. Earlier variants of ZBot infected computers through drive-by downloads. http://www.scmagazineus.com/Fake-Microsoft-critical-update-spam-propagating-trojan/article/138823/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall
As much as I love Mikrotik they do not have Snort. It is a very valuable tool. That said, you can do like i do and run Snort on a dedicated ethernet port on one of your existing servers and mirror everything to it. That combined with MT's firewall abilities is great. I have been working on dynamic firewall rules in MT from snort and some log monitors but have not done much. The MT API is wonderful, if I can just wrap my brain around it. Jeromie Patrick D.. Nix, Jr wrote: Basically just wanting to protect our servers 8 servers total (3 email 2 DNS 1 Web 2 offsite backup) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall How may users behind it? How much throughput? Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D.. Nix, Jr Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:30 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro. I'm looking at either implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525. Which would be the best way to go? Something with a nice GUI would be good Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.76/2183 - Release Date: 06/18/09 05:53:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LACP + Wi-Fi = ghettofabulous big wireless pipes?
Yes that will work. I am not sure if the link layer fault detect will work correctly so you might need to run Spanning Tree also. Something that can be a issue is if say you have 4 links and one is running 24mbit modulation and the rest are 54, your going to have issues with the slow link. If possible I would use a radio board that can take all your radios and bond them, presenting you with a single ethernet with the bonded capacity. Rogelio wrote: I've got several outdoor Wi-Fi radios that I would like to configure in a PtP configuration on multiple 802.11a channels. My question to the list is, Can I use LACP on each end (via a network switch) to aggregate those PtP connections into one virtual connection? e.g. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk389/tk213/technologies_configuration_example09186a0080094470.shtml So, instead of using ethernet to each switch, I'm connecting an ethernet cable from my switch into the 100 Mbps LIM of the radio node, creating a PtP link across an area, then coming out that other radio's 100 Mbps LIM via ethernet into another LACP-friendly switch. So, on each port, there is something like... switch-ethernet-radio- 5 GHz PtP link-radio-ethernet-switch Any feedback on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
I sell (and use) HP PSC printers. The white with light grey, not the dark gray ones (I do not knwo why the dark ones are such POS's). Never touch a Lexmark (or Dell Home/SOHO AIO series, same brand). Lately I have been pushing the Brother HL-2170W. Fast PPS with inexpensive refills. BW only (they have a color version). Ethernet and Wireless built in, $130 NIB. Mike Hammett wrote: I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
What do you mean lack of? There is a client list, Station MAC Signal, dBm Noise, dBm Tx Rate Rx Rate Idle (sec) 00:16:xx:xx:xx:xx-62-9636M54M15 00:18:xx:xx:xx:xx-69-9636M1M15 and per station info, scan mode (in client and ap modes) and many other tools. Yes, Its not as easy as a MT to check, but not to hard, namely for those really micro pops. Blair Davis wrote: I have a NanoStation running as an AP right now. Works fine, but the lack of AP type tools like sig streanth, client list and so on make it very hard to use. I'll be switching it out for a MikroTik soon. Josh Luthman wrote: I would avoid Engenius. Heard a lot of good things abot the Ubnt stuff, especially the bullet. On 4/25/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Engenius and ubiquity Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
It makes a great CPE drop in replacement. It also works well if you use 12v POE switch's, hard to find reasonably priced ones tho. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm still up in the air about the bullet. By the time you add antenna and power supply, the cost goes up. But then again, most of us have antennas and power supplies to spare. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: I would avoid Engenius. Heard a lot of good things abot the Ubnt stuff, especially the bullet. On 4/25/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Engenius and ubiquity Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?
If you deploy a fiber only network, or a coaxial only network (100% IP) are you forced into being a common carrier? The way way I read it, no you do not. The way a partner reads it, Yes, you do/can be. I know many people here have talked about doing/have done fiber/coax deployments. Where did you land and was there anything special that made it happen?? Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
A 6yo and 3yo (both in may) can do a box of 2000 in about the same amount of time. The things they do with tools in less time is truly scary. Daddy we fixed the door! Uhm, what was wrong with it? Our keys don't fit it now Yes, you do not have any keys for the door No, Grayson put glue in it The key hole was filled with 'Liquid Nails' in less then 5min. Moral Oral says you should never leave a loaded gun in your toolbox. D. Ryan Spott wrote: My 6YO daughter disagrees with the no adhesive seals... She really, really liked daddy's stickers. I occasionally peel evidence of this off the rear window of my truck. Now she plays with daddy's zip ties did you know a bag of 300 can be zipped together by a 6 year old in less than 30 minutes?! ryan Steve Barnes wrote: Ryan, so right on. I have had to drill this into my installers. It's a seal not an engine block, you don't need to torque it down. However you have to get it tight enough that ice sitting on top wont open it up. You also have to admit that the new no adhesive seals are better. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be torqued down no more! Use this method.. no tools required: *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes through the cover. *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should spring back with just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and you can use a nut-driver. ryan David Hulsebus wrote: The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else experienced this? They are the TR5a-2024f series. Thanks, Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com Steve Barnes wrote: Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a problem. Tranzeo are good units. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community A few responses here: 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer units do not seem to have this same problem. 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com 3-dB Networks wrote: So are you looking
Re: [WISPA] Using ADSL to transport 802.11 user traffic
Are you looking to put a ethernet port in each room, or total wifi coverage, or both? Zhone and VDSL primarily are geared for ethernet in each room. Its pretty easy to do a total wifi coverage. I have used a mix of HomePlug and HPNA to reach key points for AP placement. Each site is different and has a mix of options. Using some HPNA brands you can get the cost down to $50/port or so. Using various WiFi cpe out there (meraki, open-mesh) you can get even lower with volume pricing. You do not have to use the open-mesh units in a mesh btw. I find a homeplug + open-mesh unit to make a great AP setup. Rogelio wrote: I'm looking to bring wireless access into several hotel environments and am hoping to leverage the existing phone lines for transport, rather than having to run new ethernet lines. I have heard of others using ADSL equipment, particularly Zhone, to do so. They say that they just cross connect the regular 66 block with a new filtered block and then the guest rooms don't have to have individual filters for the modems. Has anyone else done this sort of thing? And if so, what has been your experience? I'm hoping to cut the cost of cabling so that I can use cheaper access points, rather than more expensive ones with multiple radios and have to worry about meshing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
I would upgrade your AV before tossing AngryIP out. =-) Give the windows port of nmap a go. Steve Barnes wrote: We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds and ends IP scans. Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version wont let me exclude it. Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might Try that you like. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NWR:cellular phone question
In addition to unlocking it, you flash it to recover locked features. If you have a free and clear phone its easy enough to get them unlocked. Flashing a phone can be a pain, mostly in finding a flash that is not also locked or that has the features that you want. Most phone manufactures are not releasing unbranded flash packs for phones that have been sold to only one cell co. John Valenti wrote: Like Jack suggests, you really need to check with Verizon. I'm pretty sure there might be potential features that Sprint has turned on for that phone, that would prevent Verizon from working with it. For instance, I had an older Verizon phone that didn't include location features and Verizon refused to turn it on. (even though the phone I was using was even older and didn't include location tracking either) Eighteen months ago Verizon said they were moving to a more open system, but I don't think they have moved very far in that direction yet. On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Same band means yes. Just unlock the phone. On 2/9/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Why not ask Verizon? w...@aol.com wrote: Anyone know if you can take a Sprint cdma phone and have Verizon activate it for use on their cdma system? Walter WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
I got rid of my full sized 96 GMC Suburban (7~13mpg) and got me a 05 Dodge Caravan (19~30mpg). It handles a 35ft extension ladder + a boot of gear = ) Josh Luthman wrote: What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
PT Cruiser?!! I shudder. I would go for another Caravan. The only thing I wish mine had was 4wd. I am likely getting a S10 blazer for the rough work. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: We use an old Dodge Caravan. These have drip rails on them to fasten standard ladder racks to, and carry ladders on a rack nicely. We can put our 28 footer on it ok. It overhangs the front bumper a little, but it's ok. I have two of them, and in the last 3 year's we've racked up about 75,000 miles between them. We're now in the same place you are... ONe's got 210K miles and the other isn't far behind. I'm not sure what to replace them with. We now have a bucket truck, so I'm thinking we're going to switch to a less boxy rig. Perhaps a PT Cruiser or Jeep Cherokee. Although, Im still open to finding another manual transmission Dodge Caravan.The Caravans are hard to beat. Especially the 4 cyl manual. Even loaded with ladders and junk and driven most of the time with the foot near the floor, they manage to get 20-24 mpg. And they just keep on chugging. Should you break something, they're really cheap to fix. And Ive been off road, through deep snow, mud, fields, you name it. The only thing the offroading adventures have done is bend the oil pan :( Bad enough to wrinkle and spring a leak... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Advanced Cybernetics Group?
They are the host company for SkyNet, you have found a advanced node. 2953 Bunker Hill Lane Suite 400 Santa Clara CA 95054 www.advancedcybernetics.com (The building looks like the same from the movie too) Jason wrote: Anyone know who they are and what they make? I saw a MAC id pop up in a site survey that started with 00:12:CE, which was new to me. When I ran it through some of the mac lookup databases it was registered by Advanced Cybernetics Group. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
Using Google hosted email is ok, but, has some drawbacks. Namely the SSL cert and funky IMAP support. If it could be better integrated into a website (IE, into my.foo.com instead of google.com/a/my.foo.com) I would love it. Maybe that can be done with a better understanding of the Google API? While on the topic on Google Hosted, anyone using the GrandCentral Beta? Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it working for you. Currently we are running our email services on an out of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a Barracuda SF for spam protection. It is causing more problems than it's worth. If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or something like that but of course people don't like to change their email addresses. Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Instructions/diagram for framing and pouring concrete pad?
When I do this we would make a 2x2 frame with plywood on each side and pre-drill the holes. This would sit over the concrete form with the J's bolted in place. lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I agree... Total PITA lining up rod. We use sleeve anchors or threaded rod and Hilti epoxy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:45:02 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Instructions/diagram for framing andpouring concretepad? I thought about that too. It can be hard to get the lined up in the right spots and still get a nice finish though Certainly a better way to go though. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Instructions/diagram for framing andpouring concretepad? To hold the box down, I would embed j-bolts in the concrete, not drill holes for any other fastener. Much more secure and less likely to get water in it that will break out the concrete around an anchor. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Bob's right. I've always put in my own sidewalks and such. I also poured my own slab for an addition to our house I'd add to what Bob said: If this is in an area that will freeze you might want to consider digging your foundation down below the local frost line to help prevent this pad from moving. They don't do it with transformers etc. out here so it's probably not needed. But.. I'd at least dig down a couple of inches into the ground and frame up your sides with 2x8 boards. Use screws not nails and/or make sure you STAKE it very well. Concrete is amazingly heavy and blow outs suck. Rebar adds very little strength from what I'm told. But it will keep parts from moving when the pad cracks (and it probably will). 1/2 rebar should be fine. As Bob said, keep it away from the edges and top. I don't know that it needs to be 8 though. I always use rebar for my sidewalks and it doesn't crack at the bar. I'd also attach a ground wire to the rebar. When I did the pad for the house I ran ground rods AND a ground to the rebar. The more the merrier. Don't forget to leave at least SOME slope to the pad. You want the water to run off not pool up at the bottom of your box. You can build up the center of the pad with gravel (smash it down well) or rocks (I like rocks) to save on the amount of concrete you need. Have fun! marlon - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Instructions/diagram for framing and pouring concretepad? John if all it is supporting is the nema cabinet just frame out the size you want making sure the sidewalls are real strong because you don't want a blowout of the wall. Lay out two levels of No. 4 rebar in a square configuration. Rebar should be minimum of 8 inches from top, bottom and sides. Use 4 small bricks or pavers to keep the lower level off the ground. Tie the two levels together. Pour, float, edge, dry, pull forms, mount box. It is not necessary to fill the center with rebar as there are no stresses against the center. If you are running any conduit inside or up thru the base make sure your stubs are metal. Nothing worse than breaking off pvc flush with the pad top! :-) No real structural issues here. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:05:31 To: Motorola Canopy User Groupmotor...@wispa.org; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Instructions/diagram for framing and pouring concrete pad? I'm looking for a instructions or template on how to pour a small concrete pad as a base to a 4 x 2 x 2 NEMA box that I have. I would like for the pad to be up about 6 off the ground. Does anyone have a template or instructions for this? Thanks, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly.
