Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-05 Thread George

Mark Nash wrote:
Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - heard 
you guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).


Hi Mark

I was waiting for the wind to start. Was supposed to be about 8pm. At 8 
pm I was outside looking up and seeing stars and the moon, wondering 
when is it gonna hit us.


At 12.30 it was a little windy, some gusts, but not like earlier in the 
week.


I think it was Tuesday night that we got a howling wind storm, probably 
the worst all season. It knocked out a temp mast I had on my house I was 
using for testing.


We've had about 6 high wind storms this winter.
It's been the 2nd rainiest winter I can remember since moving to the 
coast in 90. Usually it's 50's to 60's and sunny in the afternoon most 
days. This year there has been hardly any sunny days.


Anyways, didn't really have any damage from wind, but the electrical 
outages have been a pain.


George

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RE: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Mark,

I have used a 6 gallon portable gas tank that is normally used with a
small outboard boat motor. You can purchase from a boat dealer and it
even included a fuel gauge in the filler cap. Works like a charm. Just
make sure that you position the can above the engine.

Should allow you to run 10-12 hours on a full tank.

- Cliff


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Thanks Travis. I know that the Coleman is not 'computer-friendly' but I
haven't had a problem yet with it powering our equipment...just the
problem with the UPS. 

How'd you rig you gas can...that IS the big problem with these
smaller-wattage generators is the tank size. Got photos?
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:50:36 
To:WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Hi,

Is your generator a "computer friendly" type? We have both a Honda and 
Yamaha 1000 generators that deliver clean power (you can plug 
electronics into them directly without problems). Those will charge the 
UPS. The other thing we did was hook up a 5 gallon gas can with fuel 
line directly to the fuel line on the generator. It was about $10 worth 
of parts (including the 5 gallon can) and the generator will now run for

24-26 hours straight on 5 gallons of gas.

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

> Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - 
> heard you guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).
>
> I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.

> They keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at 
> the site.  I put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many 
> different UPS events without having a SNMP server).  I get notified 
> that the site is on battery power...buys me time to get to the site 
> with a generator.
>
> My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's 
> the scenario I want:
>
> 1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get 
> geared up.
> 2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES 
> CHARGE ON UPS.
> 3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
> 4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
> batteries.
> 5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.
>
> Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips 
> because I think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had 
> power down at a site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site 
> was a last priority because the problem was past any homes with humans

> in them. Shuttling gas to a generator twice a day for 3 hours of 
> driving for 2.5 weeks got very very very old very very very quickly.
>
> I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power 
> sensitivity level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the 
> generator.  So I think I need cleaner power.
>
> Recommendations?
>
> (power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta 
> go and take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the 
> UPS...customers down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).
>
> Mark Nash
> Network Engineer
> UnwiredOnline.Net
> 350 Holly Street
> Junction City, OR 97448
> http://www.uwol.net
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Joe Laura
If you plug something into the surge only outlet on the UPS then when the
power goes down intermapper or whatever you use will let you know
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS


> Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - heard
you
> guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).
>
> I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.
They
> keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at the site.
I
> put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many different UPS events
> without having a SNMP server).  I get notified that the site is on battery
> power...buys me time to get to the site with a generator.
>
> My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's the
> scenario I want:
>
> 1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get geared
> up.
> 2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES CHARGE
> ON UPS.
> 3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
> 4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on
> batteries.
> 5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.
>
> Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips because I
> think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had power down at
a
> site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site was a last priority
> because the problem was past any homes with humans in them. Shuttling gas
to
> a generator twice a day for 3 hours of driving for 2.5 weeks got very very
> very old very very very quickly.
>
> I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power sensitivity
> level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the generator.  So I
> think I need cleaner power.
>
> Recommendations?
>
> (power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta go
and
> take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the UPS...customers
> down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).
>
> Mark Nash
> Network Engineer
> UnwiredOnline.Net
> 350 Holly Street
> Junction City, OR 97448
> http://www.uwol.net
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Julius Igugu
Try adjusting the frequency (speed) of the generator. This may get it to 
work with your APC Smart UPS.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS


Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - heard 
you guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).


I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power. 
They keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at the 
site.  I put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many different UPS 
events without having a SNMP server).  I get notified that the site is on 
battery power...buys me time to get to the site with a generator.


My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's the 
scenario I want:


1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get geared 
up.
2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES CHARGE 
ON UPS.

3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
batteries.

5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.

Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips because I 
think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had power down at 
a site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site was a last priority 
because the problem was past any homes with humans in them. Shuttling gas 
to a generator twice a day for 3 hours of driving for 2.5 weeks got very 
very very old very very very quickly.


I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power sensitivity 
level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the generator.  So I 
think I need cleaner power.


Recommendations?

(power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta go 
and take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the 
UPS...customers down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Travis Johnson




Hi,

We just took the side panels off and got the size of fuel line we
needed. We went to Ace Hardware and purchased 4 feet of hose and a
connector. We just unhooked the line from the existing tank and hooked
it to the line going into the 5 gallon can. We put a couple flat
washers on the bottom of the line in the can to keep it on the bottom,
dropped the line thru the normal can opening, and then set the can on
top of two cinderblocks. Two pulls on the generator (to fill up the
line with fuel) and it starts and runs. :)

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

  Thanks Travis. I know that the Coleman is not 'computer-friendly' but I haven't had a problem yet with it powering our equipment...just the problem with the UPS. 

How'd you rig you gas can...that IS the big problem with these smaller-wattage generators is the tank size. Got photos?
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:50:36 
To:WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Hi,

Is your generator a "computer friendly" type? We have both a Honda and 
Yamaha 1000 generators that deliver clean power (you can plug 
electronics into them directly without problems). Those will charge the 
UPS. The other thing we did was hook up a 5 gallon gas can with fuel 
line directly to the fuel line on the generator. It was about $10 worth 
of parts (including the 5 gallon can) and the generator will now run for 
24-26 hours straight on 5 gallons of gas.

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

  
  
Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - 
heard you guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).

I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.  
They keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at 
the site.  I put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many 
different UPS events without having a SNMP server).  I get notified 
that the site is on battery power...buys me time to get to the site 
with a generator.

My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's 
the scenario I want:

1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get 
geared up.
2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES 
CHARGE ON UPS.
3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
batteries.
5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.

Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips 
because I think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had 
power down at a site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site 
was a last priority because the problem was past any homes with humans 
in them. Shuttling gas to a generator twice a day for 3 hours of 
driving for 2.5 weeks got very very very old very very very quickly.

I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power 
sensitivity level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the 
generator.  So I think I need cleaner power.

Recommendations?

(power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta 
go and take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the 
UPS...customers down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



  
  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Mark Nash
Thanks Travis. I know that the Coleman is not 'computer-friendly' but I haven't 
had a problem yet with it powering our equipment...just the problem with the 
UPS. 

How'd you rig you gas can...that IS the big problem with these smaller-wattage 
generators is the tank size. Got photos?
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:50:36 
To:WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Hi,

Is your generator a "computer friendly" type? We have both a Honda and 
Yamaha 1000 generators that deliver clean power (you can plug 
electronics into them directly without problems). Those will charge the 
UPS. The other thing we did was hook up a 5 gallon gas can with fuel 
line directly to the fuel line on the generator. It was about $10 worth 
of parts (including the 5 gallon can) and the generator will now run for 
24-26 hours straight on 5 gallons of gas.

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

> Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - 
> heard you guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).
>
> I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.  
> They keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at 
> the site.  I put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many 
> different UPS events without having a SNMP server).  I get notified 
> that the site is on battery power...buys me time to get to the site 
> with a generator.
>
> My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's 
> the scenario I want:
>
> 1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get 
> geared up.
> 2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES 
> CHARGE ON UPS.
> 3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
> 4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
> batteries.
> 5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.
>
> Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips 
> because I think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had 
> power down at a site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site 
> was a last priority because the problem was past any homes with humans 
> in them. Shuttling gas to a generator twice a day for 3 hours of 
> driving for 2.5 weeks got very very very old very very very quickly.
>
> I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power 
> sensitivity level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the 
> generator.  So I think I need cleaner power.
>
> Recommendations?
>
> (power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta 
> go and take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the 
> UPS...customers down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).
>
> Mark Nash
> Network Engineer
> UnwiredOnline.Net
> 350 Holly Street
> Junction City, OR 97448
> http://www.uwol.net
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Mark Nash
Correct.
-Original Message-
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:47:59 
To:"'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Are you saying you don't have solar/wind power at this site and you
constantly shuttle gas?

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - heard
you 
guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).

I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.
They 
keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at the site.
I 
put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many different UPS events 
without having a SNMP server).  I get notified that the site is on
battery 
power...buys me time to get to the site with a generator.

My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's the

scenario I want:

1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get
geared 
up.
2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES
CHARGE 
ON UPS.
3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
batteries.
5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.

Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips because
I 
think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had power down
at a 
site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site was a last priority 
because the problem was past any homes with humans in them. Shuttling
gas to 
a generator twice a day for 3 hours of driving for 2.5 weeks got very
very 
very old very very very quickly.

I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power
sensitivity 
level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the generator.  So I

think I need cleaner power.

Recommendations?

(power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta go
and 
take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the
UPS...customers 
down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax 



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Re: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Is your generator a "computer friendly" type? We have both a Honda and 
Yamaha 1000 generators that deliver clean power (you can plug 
electronics into them directly without problems). Those will charge the 
UPS. The other thing we did was hook up a 5 gallon gas can with fuel 
line directly to the fuel line on the generator. It was about $10 worth 
of parts (including the 5 gallon can) and the generator will now run for 
24-26 hours straight on 5 gallons of gas.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - 
heard you guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).


I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.  
They keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at 
the site.  I put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many 
different UPS events without having a SNMP server).  I get notified 
that the site is on battery power...buys me time to get to the site 
with a generator.


My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's 
the scenario I want:


1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get 
geared up.
2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES 
CHARGE ON UPS.

3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
batteries.

5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.

Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips 
because I think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had 
power down at a site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site 
was a last priority because the problem was past any homes with humans 
in them. Shuttling gas to a generator twice a day for 3 hours of 
driving for 2.5 weeks got very very very old very very very quickly.


I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power 
sensitivity level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the 
generator.  So I think I need cleaner power.


Recommendations?

(power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta 
go and take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the 
UPS...customers down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax




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RE: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Are you saying you don't have solar/wind power at this site and you
constantly shuttle gas?

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Generator --> UPS

Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - heard
you 
guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).

I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.
They 
keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at the site.
I 
put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many different UPS events 
without having a SNMP server).  I get notified that the site is on
battery 
power...buys me time to get to the site with a generator.

My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's the

scenario I want:

1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get
geared 
up.
2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES
CHARGE 
ON UPS.
3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
batteries.
5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.

Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips because
I 
think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had power down
at a 
site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site was a last priority 
because the problem was past any homes with humans in them. Shuttling
gas to 
a generator twice a day for 3 hours of driving for 2.5 weeks got very
very 
very old very very very quickly.

I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power
sensitivity 
level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the generator.  So I

think I need cleaner power.

Recommendations?

(power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta go
and 
take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the
UPS...customers 
down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax 



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[WISPA] Generator --> UPS

2006-02-04 Thread Mark Nash
Winds in my area knocked power out early this morning (GEORGE R - heard you 
guys had 100mph gusts on the Oregon coast...how'd it go?).


I power all my WiPOPs with an APC UPS (Smart-UPS 700) and grid power.  They 
keep the sites up for 2-3 hours depending on equipment load at the site.  I 
put in a SNMP card (AP9617 - can e-mail upon many different UPS events 
without having a SNMP server).  I get notified that the site is on battery 
power...buys me time to get to the site with a generator.


My goal is to have a generator that I can plug the UPS into.  Here's the 
scenario I want:


1: Power out. I get notified that UPS is running on batteries.  Get geared 
up.
2: Hook up generator to UPS.  (here's the important part) BATTERIES CHARGE 
ON UPS.

3: UPS Battery gets fully charged.  I get notified 'fully charged'.
4: Fuel in generator runs out.  I get notified that UPS is running on 
batteries.

5: Get fuel to site within 1-2 hours & restart generator.  GOTO 3:.

Site never goes down and I don't have to make unnecessary trips because I 
think the generator might be low on fuel.  Last year we had power down at a 
site down for 2.5 weeks.  Problem was that the site was a last priority 
because the problem was past any homes with humans in them. Shuttling gas to 
a generator twice a day for 3 hours of driving for 2.5 weeks got very very 
very old very very very quickly.


I've got a generator now (Coleman 1850W).  Even with the power sensitivity 
level set to low on the UPS's, it they won't run on the generator.  So I 
think I need cleaner power.


Recommendations?

(power just came back up to my site...got notified by the UPS...gotta go and 
take the equipment off the generator and plug it into the UPS...customers 
down for 60 seconds while the Trango backhaul boots).


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax 




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