[WISPA] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controllers

[Gino Villarini]

Packetflux EOL the Generator controllers

WE are interested in buying any quantities,  offline

tHanks



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Re: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

[Jon Langeler]

Are deployments with them going good? Working as expected?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> Streakwave has them now too.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2016 1:58 PM, "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>> I don’t have one, you? 
>> 
>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Lisa Slusher 
>> <li...@wavonline.com>
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>> Gino Villarini
>> 
>> President
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>>  
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>> Anyone has in stock? 
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>> Gino Villarini
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Re: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

[Darin Steffl]

Streakwave has them now too.

On Aug 31, 2016 1:58 PM, "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> I don’t have one, you?
>
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Lisa Slusher <
> li...@wavonline.com>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 2:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11
>
> Wav Wireless has stock! Give your Sales rep a call today.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
> *Lisa Ann Slusher*
>
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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> Anyone has in stock?
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> *Gino Villarini*
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> President
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Re: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

[Gino Villarini]

I don’t have one, you?

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Lisa Slusher <li...@wavonline.com<mailto:li...@wavonline.com>>



Gino Villarini


President
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Wav Wireless has stock! Give your Sales rep a call today.
Thanks,
Lisa

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Subject: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

Anyone has in stock?



Gino Villarini

President

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Re: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

[Lisa Slusher]

Wav Wireless has stock! Give your Sales rep a call today.
Thanks,
Lisa

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Subject: [WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

Anyone has in stock?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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[WISPA] wtb 11 ghz link - Mimosa B11

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone has in stock?



Gino Villarini


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[WISPA] WTB: Mimosa B11

[can...@believewireless.net]

Does anyone have a single B11 radio they are willing to sell?
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Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Gino Villarini]

Bob, thanks

I was able to get the license modded to support a mimosa link that we had in 
stock



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of Bob Moldashel <lakel...@gbcx.net<mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>>



Gino Villarini


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Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 10:36 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link


Gino,


What kind of bandwidth are you looking for?  I have a new, in box Dragonwave 
Airpair 170 Mb Full Duplex if you are interested


-B-

On 8/2/2016 12:17 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Need a quick cost effective link in 11 ghz:

Used Trango or Saf, anyone?



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Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Bob Moldashel]

Gino,


What kind of bandwidth are you looking for?  I have a new, in box 
Dragonwave Airpair 170 Mb Full Duplex if you are interested



-B-


On 8/2/2016 12:17 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Need a quick cost effective link in 11 ghz:

Used Trango or Saf, anyone?

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Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Gino Villarini]

Mimosa wont do fdd with paired channels

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Jeremy Austin <jhaus...@gmail.com<mailto:jhaus...@gmail.com>>



Gino Villarini


President
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Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 1:07 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Just a single 30mhz channel

11 Ghz is usually paired channels, a high and low, right?

Mimosa B11 can do 20 Mhz. Won't be the most efficient though compared to AF11 
or other >256QAM radios.

What's your link length?

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Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Jeremy Austin]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Just a single 30mhz channel
>

11 Ghz is usually paired channels, a high and low, right?

Mimosa B11 can do 20 Mhz. Won't be the most efficient though compared to
AF11 or other >256QAM radios.

What's your link length?

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Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Gino Villarini]

don’t have the freq space for mimosa

Just a single 30mhz channel

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net<mailto:li...@mtin.net>>



Gino Villarini


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Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

Mimosa
Trango
Cambium (Yes i have heard of deals on their 11ghz line)



Justin Wilson
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http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
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On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Need a quick cost effective link in 11 ghz:

Used Trango or Saf, anyone?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



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Re: [WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Justin Wilson]

Mimosa
Trango
Cambium (Yes i have heard of deals on their 11ghz line)



Justin Wilson
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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Need a quick cost effective link in 11 ghz:
> 
> Used Trango or Saf, anyone? 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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[WISPA] WTB 11 ghz link

[Gino Villarini]

Need a quick cost effective link in 11 ghz:

Used Trango or Saf, anyone?



Gino Villarini


President
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[WISPA] WTB: Trango Giga IDU

[can...@believewireless.net]

Does anyone have a Trango Giga IDU that aren't using?



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[WISPA] WTB: Tiltek TA-952 Omni antenna.

[Scottie Arnett]

Hey Guys,

We are needing a Tiltek TA-952 Omni antenna. We will take new or used. If you 
have one for sale, please coneact me offlist.

Thanks,
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[WISPA] WTB Canopy 5.4ghz

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Looking for some 5.4ghz Canopy either new or used. Gonna be making a 1/8
mile shot and 5.4 is only option. If anyone has any BH or AP/SM's preferable
P10's contact me offlist.

 

thanks

 

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WAVELINC
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[WISPA] WTB - Alvarion 900 AU

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I am looking for a used Alvarion 900 AU. If interested in selling 1-2 to
me, contact me off-list.
- Cliff



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[WISPA] WTB

[chris cooper]

Looking for a CCU 3100.  If you have one to sell, please hit me off
list.

Thanks
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[WISPA] WTB: Trango Atlas Units

[Gino Villarini]

We are looking to buy Trango Atlas Units, offlist

 

thanks

 

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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Scott Carullo]

I am accumulating RB450Gs with bad eth ports.  Some ports work fine router 
works no problem.

Is it the same deal for these cause I need them fixed ;)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
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 If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I
 will buy them from you.
 
  
 
 $5/board if you don't want it back
 
 $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
  
 
 Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
 direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
 Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Blair Davis]

But, can it be repaired cost effectively? 

I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris
and pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear.

How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards?

Butch Evans wrote:

  On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote:
  
  
Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol

  
  
I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs.  We can repair
ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations,
etc.), Canopy...  

  
  
I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be 
any more resilient to close lightning strikes? 

  
  
Not really.  The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not
necessarily your work).  Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired.
It doesn't matter if it powers up or not.  

  







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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[RickG]

Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other
componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put
back into service?
-RickG

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 But, can it be repaired cost effectively?

 I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris and
 pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear.

 How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards?

 Butch Evans wrote:

 On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote:


 Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol


 I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs.  We can repair
 ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations,
 etc.), Canopy...



 I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be
 any more resilient to close lightning strikes?


 Not really.  The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not
 necessarily your work).  Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired.
 It doesn't matter if it powers up or not.





 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[jp]

I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even 
for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber 
base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the 
upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less 
expensive than a service call + rb411. I've not bought a single 411 
because I've heard of this problem. I do buy lots of 433ah's though.

I've got some radios out in the field that close to 10 years old now. I 
do expect 5-6 years out of a radio on average, even if I pay for it in 
1-3. Our guys can only handle so many service calls and miles of travel 
a day. We use mostly Trango and Alvarion radios, and 100ish MT routers. 
We dispose of a couple of each type of radio, and maybe 1 RB a month for 
about twice as many subs.


On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 10:26:28AM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a
 switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but
 the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have not
 seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about
 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
 Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol
 
 I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
 Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS of 
 RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread
 would 
 not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
 routerboards 
 or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it
 be 
 any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start using
 them 
 or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they
 do 
 not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be
 just 
 statistics...
 
 Opinions?
 
 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102
 
  Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
  
  If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports,
 I
  will buy them from you.
  
   
  
  $5/board if you don't want it back
  
  $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
  
   
  
  Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
  direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
  Please contact me off-list for further details.
  
   
  
  Regards,
  
  Chuck Hogg
  
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  
  http://www.shelbybb.com
  
   
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Chuck Hogg]

While I don't disagree, we are in the process of switching CPE's to Moto
SM's.  I've too got MT boards out there since I installed them over 3
years ago, and I have 411 boards that are in service since they first
came out.  The problem is that they are much more sensitive to
lightning/ESD.

Really, in the summer/spring months with more electricity is when it's
10-20 a month.  I over-exaggerated it over the course of a year.  June
we had 5 and July we had 23.  Only good news is that I can repair them
relatively cheaply, but the service call/aggravation is lost $$. I just
can't afford 700 SM's and 3 months of downtime getting them installed
with my small crew.

Regards,
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Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even 
for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber 
base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the 
upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less 
expensive than a service call + rb411. I've not bought a single 411 
because I've heard of this problem. I do buy lots of 433ah's though.

I've got some radios out in the field that close to 10 years old now. I 
do expect 5-6 years out of a radio on average, even if I pay for it in 
1-3. Our guys can only handle so many service calls and miles of travel 
a day. We use mostly Trango and Alvarion radios, and 100ish MT routers. 
We dispose of a couple of each type of radio, and maybe 1 RB a month for

about twice as many subs.


On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 10:26:28AM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has
a
 switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well,
but
 the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have
not
 seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about
 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
 Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now
lol
 
 I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
 Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS
of 
 RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread
 would 
 not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
 routerboards 
 or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it
 be 
 any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start using
 them 
 or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and
they
 do 
 not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be
 just 
 statistics...
 
 Opinions?
 
 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102
 
  Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
  
  If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet
ports,
 I
  will buy them from you.
  
   
  
  $5/board if you don't want it back
  
  $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
  
   
  
  Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
  direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
  Please contact me off-list for further details.
  
   
  
  Regards,
  
  Chuck Hogg
  
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  
  http://www.shelbybb.com
  
   
  
  
  
  


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
 But, can it be repaired cost effectively?  

All repairs are $30 for qty over 20.  We charge $35 per board for under
20 per order.  For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective.  For most
other boards, it is.  There is very little that we cannot replace on
these SBC.  I am in the process of gathering the required chips, but I
have the ethernet chips for nearly all the routerboards and I have the
power controllers and supporting electronics as well.  With a few
exceptions, I either have in stock, or on the way, everything that is
needed to repair about 90%+ of any problem they would have.

 How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards?

I have not checked on the cost for that part.  I would imagine that we
would be able to replace this part, but I have not tried working on
these cards, yet.  The problem with the radio cards, is the rf shield.
Getting it off is not a problem, but getting it back into place without
changing the rf properties is a bit more challenging and I do not have
the proper equipment to guarantee that we have not changed the
properties of the card (and therefore the FCC certification).

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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 12:17 -0400, RickG wrote:
 Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other
 componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put
 back into service?

While this is certainly possible, it is very unlikely.  It would be more
likely that the discrete components would be weakened than the ICs,
but even that is an unlikely event.  We do extensive tests on these
prior to shipping them back, so we would be likely to catch this sort of
problem.

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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Blair Davis]

The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do
it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client
.

Butch Evans wrote:

  On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
  
  
But, can it be repaired cost effectively?  

  
  
All repairs are $30 for qty over 20.  We charge $35 per board for under
20 per order.  For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective.  For most
other boards, it is.  There is very little that we cannot replace on
these SBC.  I am in the process of gathering the required chips, but I
have the ethernet chips for nearly all the routerboards and I have the
power controllers and supporting electronics as well.  With a few
exceptions, I either have in stock, or on the way, everything that is
needed to repair about 90%+ of any problem they would have.

  
  
How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards?

  
  
I have not checked on the cost for that part.  I would imagine that we
would be able to replace this part, but I have not tried working on
these cards, yet.  The problem with the radio cards, is the rf shield.
Getting it off is not a problem, but getting it back into place without
changing the rf properties is a bit more challenging and I do not have
the proper equipment to guarantee that we have not changed the
properties of the card (and therefore the FCC certification).

  







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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 23:03 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
 The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do
 it myself.  but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client

I will look for it.

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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Chuck Hogg]

The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a
switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but
the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have not
seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about
10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol

I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?

Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS of 
RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread
would 
not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
routerboards 
or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it
be 
any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start using
them 
or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they
do 
not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be
just 
statistics...

Opinions?

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
 If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports,
I
 will buy them from you.
 
  
 
 $5/board if you don't want it back
 
 $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
  
 
 Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
 direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
 Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
  
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck Hogg
 
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 
 http://www.shelbybb.com
 
  
 
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[jree...@18-30chat.net]

OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate.

Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue  when it first came up.
The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really
thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board
failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was 
released.

Jeromie

Chuck Hogg wrote:
 The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a
 switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but
 the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have not
 seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about
 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
 Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol
 
 I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
 Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS of 
 RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread
 would 
 not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
 routerboards 
 or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it
 be 
 any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start using
 them 
 or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they
 do 
 not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be
 just 
 statistics...
 
 Opinions?
 
 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102
 
  Original Message 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

 If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports,
 I
 will buy them from you.

  

 $5/board if you don't want it back

 $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.

  

 Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
 direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
 Please contact me off-list for further details.

  

 Regards,

 Chuck Hogg

 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com

 http://www.shelbybb.com

  




 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Josh Luthman]

How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433?

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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate.

 Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue  when it first came
 up.
 The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really
 thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board
 failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke was
 released.

 Jeromie

 Chuck Hogg wrote:
  The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a
  switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but
  the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have not
  seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about
  10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol
 
  I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
  Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS of
  RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread
  would
  not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
  routerboards
  or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it
  be
  any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start using
  them
  or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they
  do
  not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be
  just
  statistics...
 
  Opinions?
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports,
  I
  will buy them from you.
 
 
 
  $5/board if you don't want it back
 
  $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
 
 
  Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
  direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
  Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
 
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Chuck Hogg]

Again, different chip.  It uses a chip with a switch built into it,
unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate.

 Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue  when it first
came
 up.
 The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am
really
 thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious
board
 failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke
was
 released.

 Jeromie

 Chuck Hogg wrote:
  The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433
has a
  switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well,
but
  the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have
not
  seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow
about
  10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
  Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now
lol
 
  I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
  Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS
of
  RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this
thread
  would
  not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
  routerboards
  or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would
it
  be
  any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start
using
  them
  or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and
they
  do
  not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could
be
  just
  statistics...
 
  Opinions?
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet
ports,
  I
  will buy them from you.
 
 
 
  $5/board if you don't want it back
 
  $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
 
 
  Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
  direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
  Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
 
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

  
  
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Josh Luthman]

433 and 493 using the same chip then?

On 8/1/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 Again, different chip.  It uses a chip with a switch built into it,
 unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

 How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
 jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate.

 Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue  when it first
 came
 up.
 The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am
 really
 thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious
 board
 failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke
 was
 released.

 Jeromie

 Chuck Hogg wrote:
  The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433
 has a
  switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as well,
 but
  the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have
 not
  seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow
 about
  10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now
 lol
 
  I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
  Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS
 of
  RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this
 thread
  would
  not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
  routerboards
  or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would
 it
  be
  any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start
 using
  them
  or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and
 they
  do
  not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could
 be
  just
  statistics...
 
  Opinions?
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet
 ports,
  I
  will buy them from you.
 
 
 
  $5/board if you don't want it back
 
  $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
 
 
  Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
  direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
  Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
 
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Chuck Hogg]

Looking at the pictures, it is a different chip. I would have to confirm
when I get back to the office to be sure.  Same manufacturer, slightly
different model it appears.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

433 and 493 using the same chip then?

On 8/1/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 Again, different chip.  It uses a chip with a switch built into it,
 unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

 How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net 
 jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

 OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate.

 Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue  when it first
 came
 up.
 The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am
 really
 thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious
 board
 failure in 5 years. The rest were easy to spot where the magic smoke
 was
 released.

 Jeromie

 Chuck Hogg wrote:
  The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433
 has a
  switch chip built in.  We could probably repair the 433/450 as
well,
 but
  the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive.  I have
 not
  seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow
 about
  10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Scott Carullo
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now
 lol
 
  I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?
 
  Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had
LOTS
 of
  RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this
 thread
  would
  not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other
  routerboards
  or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would
 it
  be
  any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start
 using
  them
  or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and
 they
  do
  not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could
 be
  just
  statistics...
 
  Opinions?
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
  If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet
 ports,
  I
  will buy them from you.
 
 
 
  $5/board if you don't want it back
 
  $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
 
 
  Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to
a
  direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
  Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
 
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


  
  
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[WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Chuck Hogg]

If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I
will buy them from you.

 

$5/board if you don't want it back

$20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.

 

Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
Please contact me off-list for further details.

 

Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com

http://www.shelbybb.com

 




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Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

[Scott Carullo]

Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol

I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others?

Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411.  I have had LOTS of 
RB411 eth ports blown.  Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would 
not have started.  Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards 
or just the RB411?  I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be 
any more resilient to close lightning strikes?  I'd gladly start using them 
or whatever else might work.  I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do 
not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just 
statistics...

Opinions?

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
 
 If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I
 will buy them from you.
 
  
 
 $5/board if you don't want it back
 
 $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you.
 
  
 
 Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a
 direct lightning strike.  They must be bootable, but without link.
 Please contact me off-list for further details.
 
  
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck Hogg
 
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 
 http://www.shelbybb.com
 
  
 
 
 
 


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[WISPA] WTB Working or non-working Motorola Canopy PTP gear.

[Jesse Preiner]

If anyone has any working or non-working Canopy PTP gear laying around
that they would like to sell, please let me know.  
 
Thanks!
 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB Working or non-working Motorola Canopy PTP gear.

[Steve Barnes]

I am having TERRIBLE signals on 4 of my towers and at least 3 backhauls today.  
On space weather there was talk of a big solar flare or sunspot that might 
cause problems today anyone having like problems?

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jesse Preiner
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WTB Working or non-working Motorola Canopy PTP gear.

If anyone has any working or non-working Canopy PTP gear laying around
that they would like to sell, please let me know.  
 
Thanks!
 
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[WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I am looking for Trango FOX5300 (5.3ghz only) units. Please reply 
off-list with quantity available and asking price.


thanks,

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RE: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3

[Mac Dearman]

Travis,

   I am not sure if what I have is even compatible with what you are looking
for, but I have 15 brand new - never powered up Trango M5580M-FSU. If it is
something that you could use - - drop me a line  - - CHEAP - -I mean CHEAP
:)


Merry Christmas Bro.,
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 Hi,
 
 I am looking for Trango FOX5300 (5.3ghz only) units. Please reply
 off-list with quantity available and asking price.
 
 thanks,
 
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Re: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3

[Travis Johnson]

Yes, I can use them... what's the price? :)

Travis

Mac Dearman wrote:

  Travis,

   I am not sure if what I have is even compatible with what you are looking
for, but I have 15 brand new - never powered up Trango M5580M-FSU. If it is
something that you could use - - drop me a line  - - CHEAP - -I mean CHEAP
:)


Merry Christmas Bro.,
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Hi,

I am looking for Trango FOX5300 (5.3ghz only) units. Please reply
off-list with quantity available and asking price.

thanks,

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RE: [WISPA] WTB Trango 5.3

[Mac Dearman]

Dang it - - that was supposed to be off list :)

 

Mac

 

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Yes, I can use them... what's the price? :)

Travis

Mac Dearman wrote: 

Travis,
 
   I am not sure if what I have is even compatible with what you are looking
for, but I have 15 brand new - never powered up Trango M5580M-FSU. If it is
something that you could use - - drop me a line  - - CHEAP - -I mean CHEAP
:)
 
 
Merry Christmas Bro.,
Mac
 
 
 
  

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I am looking for Trango FOX5300 (5.3ghz only) units. Please reply
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[WISPA] WTB Trango 900mhz

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I am looking to purchase some Trango 900mhz AP's. Please reply off-list 
with price.


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[WISPA] WTB DS3 - Ethernet Converters

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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[Dawn DiPietro]

YAY Rich got it.



John Scrivner wrote:

Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose? Do 
they want both UNII and this new system to fail? Why is this something 
they even considered? Why give them their own band if the intent is to 
also overlap another unlicensed band? What sort of crack are they 
smoking here?


What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich? I wonder 
why Kris Twomey missed this earlier? Was the upper 5.8 overlap added 
later? I think it would be a good idea for someone to find the 
language which discusses this overlap so we can discuss what we would 
want to do about commenting to the FCC.


Hey Ken or Dawn DiPietro, next time why don't you just tell us why you 
think WISPA needs to be involved? I told you before that I thought 
this was outside our existing bands and you never replied.

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:


Howdy,

I was an active member of the ASTM DSRC sandards formulating 
committee for roughly 2 yrs (2000-2001).  This is all familiar stuff, 
and I appreciate seeing the URL to see how the effort has proceeded.


John wrote:

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.




Yes, and no.  Most of the DSRC rules deal with the band above the 
existing UNII band, true enough.  But DSRC is intended to be 
populated by DUAL-BAND units (spoken to briefly in this FCC order).  
In fact, one of the issues petitioned was to recommend action to SAVE 
the DSRC band from being destroyed by malicious wifi usage by 
dual-band units ... which the commission has apparently rejected for 
the moment according to this order.


Rick Smith raises the concern for usage in the neighboring DSRC band:

yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands 
but makes

926 and above useless.   See ... ?




Yeah, that is a valid concern.  They're contemplating a lot of 
outdoor units (like one in every American car).  FYI, when I left the 
activity ASTM was recommending DSRC use a 10MHz wide 802.11a variant 
with limited power, and road-side units of limited height.  They're 
not trying to do multiple miles. When DSRC applications are broken 
into short-medium--long range, they're talking about 10-30 feet 
(short, like electronic toll collection and pay-at-the-pump), 300-600 
feet (medium, like road signage), and 1000 feet (long, for emergency 
traffic light control).


So, just as sufficient wifi energy can impact an adjacent band, 
proximity to a busy roadway can potentially impact the high wifi 
channels.  However, the intent of DSRC to promote unlicensed wifi 
outdoors in the 5.8 UNII band via dual-band usage may be more 
troubling to wisps than bleed-over from DSRC band usage.


Rich

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)


Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.

Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:


potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like 
to know
your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this 
for me

some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you see
something he did not though please forward it along.
Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED 
SHORT-RANGE COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND 
(5.9 GHZ BAND), AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S 
RULES TO ALLOCATE THE

5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into 
this in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[John Scrivner]

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs 
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like to 
know your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this 
for me some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you 
see something he did not though please forward it along.

Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE 
5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE


And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this 
in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
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RE: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[Rick Smith]

potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like to know
your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this for me
some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you see
something he did not though please forward it along.
Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:

 All,

 Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

 WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
 AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
 COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
 AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE
 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

 And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this 
 in further detail.
 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro

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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[John Scrivner]

Actually I am able to use the entire 900 MHz band here. Selectivity of 
tuners has never been an issue the FCC seems very willing to consider 
when adjacent uses are being suggested. As I understand it the systems 
being proposed are low power vehicle communications. I am not trying to 
say I am all for them having more spectrum. In fact I think that 
vehicles and WISPs should be able to add those bands together with the 
existing UNII bands and anyone make use of all of it but that is not an 
option currently. The proposal, as I remember it, was for vehicles to be 
allowed to use this space for low power vehicle communications. Our 
attorney, Kris Twomey, told us it is of little to no concern to WISPs. I 
could not find anything regarding this that was terribly important to 
WISPs. If I am wrong then please tell me how I am wrong and why it is 
important for WISPs to take a stand of any kind in this proceeding and 
then we will consider it. I promise I have not made my mind up yet on 
this and I would be glad to take a stand if one is needed. I welcome 
others feedback.

Thanks,
Scriv

Rick Smith wrote:


yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands but makes
926 and above useless.   See ... ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band frequencies. I
was told this has nothing to do with existing frequencies we use for our
networks.
Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:

 


potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of John Scrivner

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs 
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like to 
know your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into 
this for me some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. 
If you see something he did not though please forward it along.

Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



   


All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE

5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this 
in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
  

 


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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[Rich Comroe]

Howdy,

I was an active member of the ASTM DSRC sandards formulating committee for 
roughly 2 yrs (2000-2001).  This is all familiar stuff, and I appreciate 
seeing the URL to see how the effort has proceeded.


John wrote:
Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band frequencies. 
I was told this has nothing to do with existing frequencies we use for our 
networks.


Yes, and no.  Most of the DSRC rules deal with the band above the existing 
UNII band, true enough.  But DSRC is intended to be populated by DUAL-BAND 
units (spoken to briefly in this FCC order).  In fact, one of the issues 
petitioned was to recommend action to SAVE the DSRC band from being 
destroyed by malicious wifi usage by dual-band units ... which the 
commission has apparently rejected for the moment according to this order.


Rick Smith raises the concern for usage in the neighboring DSRC band:

yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands but makes
926 and above useless.   See ... ?


Yeah, that is a valid concern.  They're contemplating a lot of outdoor units 
(like one in every American car).  FYI, when I left the activity ASTM was 
recommending DSRC use a 10MHz wide 802.11a variant with limited power, and 
road-side units of limited height.  They're not trying to do multiple miles. 
When DSRC applications are broken into short-medium--long range, they're 
talking about 10-30 feet (short, like electronic toll collection and 
pay-at-the-pump), 300-600 feet (medium, like road signage), and 1000 feet 
(long, for emergency traffic light control).


So, just as sufficient wifi energy can impact an adjacent band, proximity to 
a busy roadway can potentially impact the high wifi channels.  However, the 
intent of DSRC to promote unlicensed wifi outdoors in the 5.8 UNII band via 
dual-band usage may be more troubling to wisps than bleed-over from DSRC 
band usage.


Rich

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)


Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band frequencies. 
I was told this has nothing to do with existing frequencies we use for our 
networks.

Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:


potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like to 
know

your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this for me
some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you see
something he did not though please forward it along.
Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE

5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this in 
further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[Rich Comroe]

John wrote:
In fact I think that vehicles and WISPs should be able to add those bands 
together with the existing UNII bands and anyone make use of all of it but 
that is not an option currently.


Got that right (that it's not an option currently).  DSRC may be using a 
wifi variant (narrowed 802.11a), but the DSRC usage is not intended to be 
the same traffic as consumer wireless internet that wifi typically 
carries.  DSRC has a variety of functions, mostly related to highway traffic 
for the safety of the public.  As such, DSRC traffic requires various 
priorities, the most stringent demanding lower latency than could be 
achievable unless the channels are dedicated to DSRC functionality. 
Unlicensed functions for any purpose are contemplated to take place on 
UNII channels as they are designated for today,  and the DSRC channel access 
layer for safety functions may be totally different than 802.11 MAC.  We 
were headed that way when I left that committee's work (it was one of the 
few things that I'd contributed to their effort that stuck) and from my 
reading of the FCC order, I think it's still that way (discussion of control 
channels).   As such there's a sensitivity of DSRC members that dual-band 
units not be able to operate using standard 802.11 MAC on the DSRC channels 
which could put the dedicated DSRC safety functions at risk.


Rich

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)


Actually I am able to use the entire 900 MHz band here. Selectivity of 
tuners has never been an issue the FCC seems very willing to consider when 
adjacent uses are being suggested. As I understand it the systems being 
proposed are low power vehicle communications. I am not trying to say I am 
all for them having more spectrum. In fact I think that vehicles and WISPs 
should be able to add those bands together with the existing UNII bands 
and anyone make use of all of it but that is not an option currently. The 
proposal, as I remember it, was for vehicles to be allowed to use this 
space for low power vehicle communications. Our attorney, Kris Twomey, 
told us it is of little to no concern to WISPs. I could not find anything 
regarding this that was terribly important to WISPs. If I am wrong then 
please tell me how I am wrong and why it is important for WISPs to take a 
stand of any kind in this proceeding and then we will consider it. I 
promise I have not made my mind up yet on this and I would be glad to take 
a stand if one is needed. I welcome others feedback.

Thanks,
Scriv

Rick Smith wrote:

yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands but 
makes

926 and above useless.   See ... ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band frequencies. 
I

was told this has nothing to do with existing frequencies we use for our
networks.
Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:



potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of John Scrivner

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs 
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like to 
know your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this 
for me some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you 
see something he did not though please forward it along.

Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:




All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE

5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this 
in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[John Scrivner]

Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose? Do 
they want both UNII and this new system to fail? Why is this something 
they even considered? Why give them their own band if the intent is to 
also overlap another unlicensed band? What sort of crack are they 
smoking here?


What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich? I wonder 
why Kris Twomey missed this earlier? Was the upper 5.8 overlap added 
later? I think it would be a good idea for someone to find the language 
which discusses this overlap so we can discuss what we would want to do 
about commenting to the FCC.


Hey Ken or Dawn DiPietro, next time why don't you just tell us why you 
think WISPA needs to be involved? I told you before that I thought this 
was outside our existing bands and you never replied.

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:


Howdy,

I was an active member of the ASTM DSRC sandards formulating committee 
for roughly 2 yrs (2000-2001).  This is all familiar stuff, and I 
appreciate seeing the URL to see how the effort has proceeded.


John wrote:

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.



Yes, and no.  Most of the DSRC rules deal with the band above the 
existing UNII band, true enough.  But DSRC is intended to be populated 
by DUAL-BAND units (spoken to briefly in this FCC order).  In fact, 
one of the issues petitioned was to recommend action to SAVE the DSRC 
band from being destroyed by malicious wifi usage by dual-band units 
... which the commission has apparently rejected for the moment 
according to this order.


Rick Smith raises the concern for usage in the neighboring DSRC band:

yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands but 
makes

926 and above useless.   See ... ?



Yeah, that is a valid concern.  They're contemplating a lot of outdoor 
units (like one in every American car).  FYI, when I left the activity 
ASTM was recommending DSRC use a 10MHz wide 802.11a variant with 
limited power, and road-side units of limited height.  They're not 
trying to do multiple miles. When DSRC applications are broken into 
short-medium--long range, they're talking about 10-30 feet (short, 
like electronic toll collection and pay-at-the-pump), 300-600 feet 
(medium, like road signage), and 1000 feet (long, for emergency 
traffic light control).


So, just as sufficient wifi energy can impact an adjacent band, 
proximity to a busy roadway can potentially impact the high wifi 
channels.  However, the intent of DSRC to promote unlicensed wifi 
outdoors in the 5.8 UNII band via dual-band usage may be more 
troubling to wisps than bleed-over from DSRC band usage.


Rich

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)


Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.

Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:


potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like 
to know
your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this 
for me

some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you see
something he did not though please forward it along.
Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE

5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into 
this in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[Rich Comroe]

What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich?


I personally advocated DSRC be a different technology than wifi, and that 
this was desirable to keep usage separate.  What can I say?  I worked for 
Motorola at the time, and we proposed Canopy!  I left the activity when the 
committee went 802.11a, as my company wasn't prepared to support DSRC 
products to that standard.  I actually had initial success selling the Moto 
concept, but it became clear after the Atheros 802.11a chips arrived to 
committee for testing that Motorola had no integrated chip solution planned 
for Canopy.  802.11 manufacturers (Atheros, Intersil, etc.) advocated the 
common technology to promote lower cost through volume.  They were obviously 
trying to sell their solutions as we were trying to sell ours.  Many users, 
however, saw value to commonality with wifi as a bridge.  This needs 
further explaining.


For the safety of the driving public, there's lots of things that become 
possible were vehicles able to talk to other vehicles as well as road-side 
units.  But it's a chicken and egg situation.  If transmitters are there 
every 500 feet along every roadway and highway, people will want DSRC 
trasceivers for their cars.  Likewise if the cars all had DSRC transceivers, 
one can imagine public funding for adding all the roadway and highway 
transceivers.  What comes first?



Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose?


As drivers add transceivers to their car visors for automatic toll 
collection, paying for gas, purchasing at McDonalds (all things that were 
beginning to appear around 2000), adopting a wifi-common technology that 
might grow privately financed commercial mobile wifi-usage in UNII in a 
common OBU (OnBoardUnit) that can also operate DSRC was considered 
attractive.


To be clear, DSRC is not contemplated overlapping in the UNII band.  Mobile 
based UNII band applications in the UNII band in a device that is hardware 
common with DSRC applications is what's contemplated.  They contemplate 
every Burger King wanting to add a 5.8GHz wifi AP for their drive-thru line 
But that definitely contemplates a growth in outdoor mobile usage of the 5.8 
UNII band.  But usage of the UNII band is not within the DSRC standard ... 
the UNII band rules already exist (and permits just about anything within 
mask and power limits) ... just the operation on DSRC channels above the 
UNII band is the focus of the DSRC standard.  DSRC functions are public 
safety specific ... UNII usage on DSRC channels is not allowed.  It wouldn't 
make any sense to do high priority DSRC functions on UNII channels.  But 
it's the commonality of a combination unit that spans upper UNII and DSRC 
that some hope will entice every motorist into wanting an OBU (DOT hates 
trying to mandate equipment for all new vehicles, something that the public 
will want on their own is much preferred).  Hope that makes sense.


Rich

- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)


Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose? Do they 
want both UNII and this new system to fail? Why is this something they 
even considered? Why give them their own band if the intent is to also 
overlap another unlicensed band? What sort of crack are they smoking here?


What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich? I wonder why 
Kris Twomey missed this earlier? Was the upper 5.8 overlap added later? I 
think it would be a good idea for someone to find the language which 
discusses this overlap so we can discuss what we would want to do about 
commenting to the FCC.


Hey Ken or Dawn DiPietro, next time why don't you just tell us why you 
think WISPA needs to be involved? I told you before that I thought this 
was outside our existing bands and you never replied.

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:


Howdy,

I was an active member of the ASTM DSRC sandards formulating committee 
for roughly 2 yrs (2000-2001).  This is all familiar stuff, and I 
appreciate seeing the URL to see how the effort has proceeded.


John wrote:

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing frequencies 
we use for our networks.



Yes, and no.  Most of the DSRC rules deal with the band above the 
existing UNII band, true enough.  But DSRC is intended to be populated by 
DUAL-BAND units (spoken to briefly in this FCC order).  In fact, one of 
the issues petitioned was to recommend action to SAVE the DSRC band from 
being destroyed by malicious wifi usage by dual-band units ... which the 
commission has apparently rejected for the moment according to this 
order.


Rick Smith raises the concern for usage in the neighboring DSRC band:

yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands but 
makes

926

Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[John Scrivner]

Thanks for the thoughtful and informative post. It sounds like you have 
a rich background in this particular proceeding!:-)

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:


What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich?



I personally advocated DSRC be a different technology than wifi, and 
that this was desirable to keep usage separate.  What can I say?  I 
worked for Motorola at the time, and we proposed Canopy!  I left the 
activity when the committee went 802.11a, as my company wasn't 
prepared to support DSRC products to that standard.  I actually had 
initial success selling the Moto concept, but it became clear after 
the Atheros 802.11a chips arrived to committee for testing that 
Motorola had no integrated chip solution planned for Canopy.  802.11 
manufacturers (Atheros, Intersil, etc.) advocated the common 
technology to promote lower cost through volume.  They were obviously 
trying to sell their solutions as we were trying to sell ours.  Many 
users, however, saw value to commonality with wifi as a bridge.  
This needs further explaining.


For the safety of the driving public, there's lots of things that 
become possible were vehicles able to talk to other vehicles as well 
as road-side units.  But it's a chicken and egg situation.  If 
transmitters are there every 500 feet along every roadway and highway, 
people will want DSRC trasceivers for their cars.  Likewise if the 
cars all had DSRC transceivers, one can imagine public funding for 
adding all the roadway and highway transceivers.  What comes first?



Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose?



As drivers add transceivers to their car visors for automatic toll 
collection, paying for gas, purchasing at McDonalds (all things that 
were beginning to appear around 2000), adopting a wifi-common 
technology that might grow privately financed commercial mobile 
wifi-usage in UNII in a common OBU (OnBoardUnit) that can also operate 
DSRC was considered attractive.


To be clear, DSRC is not contemplated overlapping in the UNII band.  
Mobile based UNII band applications in the UNII band in a device that 
is hardware common with DSRC applications is what's contemplated.  
They contemplate every Burger King wanting to add a 5.8GHz wifi AP for 
their drive-thru line But that definitely contemplates a growth in 
outdoor mobile usage of the 5.8 UNII band.  But usage of the UNII band 
is not within the DSRC standard ... the UNII band rules already exist 
(and permits just about anything within mask and power limits) ... 
just the operation on DSRC channels above the UNII band is the focus 
of the DSRC standard.  DSRC functions are public safety specific ... 
UNII usage on DSRC channels is not allowed.  It wouldn't make any 
sense to do high priority DSRC functions on UNII channels.  But it's 
the commonality of a combination unit that spans upper UNII and DSRC 
that some hope will entice every motorist into wanting an OBU (DOT 
hates trying to mandate equipment for all new vehicles, something that 
the public will want on their own is much preferred).  Hope that 
makes sense.


Rich

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)


Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose? Do 
they want both UNII and this new system to fail? Why is this 
something they even considered? Why give them their own band if the 
intent is to also overlap another unlicensed band? What sort of crack 
are they smoking here?


What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich? I 
wonder why Kris Twomey missed this earlier? Was the upper 5.8 overlap 
added later? I think it would be a good idea for someone to find the 
language which discusses this overlap so we can discuss what we would 
want to do about commenting to the FCC.


Hey Ken or Dawn DiPietro, next time why don't you just tell us why 
you think WISPA needs to be involved? I told you before that I 
thought this was outside our existing bands and you never replied.

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:


Howdy,

I was an active member of the ASTM DSRC sandards formulating 
committee for roughly 2 yrs (2000-2001).  This is all familiar 
stuff, and I appreciate seeing the URL to see how the effort has 
proceeded.


John wrote:

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.




Yes, and no.  Most of the DSRC rules deal with the band above the 
existing UNII band, true enough.  But DSRC is intended to be 
populated by DUAL-BAND units (spoken to briefly in this FCC order).  
In fact, one of the issues petitioned was to recommend action to 
SAVE the DSRC band from being destroyed by malicious wifi usage by 
dual-band units ... which the commission has apparently rejected for 
the moment according

[WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

[Dawn DiPietro]

All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED SHORT-RANGE 
COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND (5.9 GHZ BAND), 
AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO ALLOCATE THE 
5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE


And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into this 
in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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