Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
I took it to mean that you guys should move to higher, safer ground. Build a new city, give the ocean it's due and shift two steps north :-). A thought that makes imminent sense to me. As I sit here with an office right beside a creek. 5ish feet below the banks. And with insurance at $1600 per year for JUST the flood part, no flood insurance. However, I freely admit that it's a less than ideal spot for an office and I expect to totally loose my investment if we ever go over the creek banks (hasn't happened since they totally redid the water ways here nearly 50 years ago). Everything that matters to keeping the isp up and running is located out of the flood zone. Everything here can be moved in a couple of hours. Everything left can be lived without if need be. It would be a helluva financial hit though. And I'm sure there would be no help from anyone (nor should any be required). After all, I'm taking a risk that's quite clear to anyone that bothers to look. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message ----- From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > Hi all, > > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 > > From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > To: "WISPA General List" > > > > And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in > > New > > Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are > > pretty > > upset > > with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over > > this > > move. > > Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a > spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less > focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more > oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is > clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline > communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, > wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust > laws were intended to keep in check. > > BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation > of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., > independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent > any > sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans > tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about > some > of their most recent actions here: > > http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame > > I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans need
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Many of us from far away have watched the debacle in New Oleans with a morbid fascination. Many find themselves frustrated with the corruption, incompetence, and dirty politics that have marked the aftermath of both hurricanes to pass through the area this summer. Thus, many people find themselves with a wish that it never happened... or, that it never happen again, even if it means erasing even the vestiges of NO and starting over.Even if your viewpoint doesn't match the one described above, certainly I'm sure you can relate to the wishful thinking about erasing the whole event. Still, for those of you who stuck around, or went back, and are now actively engaged in rebuilding, renewing, restoring or replacing what was... That attitude may be more than a little discouraging. As for me... courage, man. My prayers and wishes are with ya, keep up the good fight. Mark North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. > Superior Wireless > New Orleans,La. > www.superior1.com > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > Sascha, > > Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. > > New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's > communications systems. > > They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from > the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get > their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let > the communication companies do their own thing. > How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > > > Hi all, > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 > > > From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > > To: "WISPA General List" > > > > > > And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New > > > Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty > > > upset > > > with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over > > > this > > > move. > > > > Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a > > spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less > > focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more > > oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is > > clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline > > communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, > > wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust > > laws were intended to keep in check. > > > > BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation > > of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., > > independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any > > sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans > > tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some > > of their most recent actions here: > > > > http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame > > > > I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs > > reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all > > competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down > > the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a > > widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who > > clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a > > well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. > > > > --Sascha > > > > -- > > Sascha Meinrath > > Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President > > Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media > > www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipe
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > Sascha, > > Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. > > New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's > communications systems. > > They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from > the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get > their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let > the communication companies do their own thing. > How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > > > Hi all, > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 > > > From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > > To: "WISPA General List" > > > > > > And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New > > > Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty > > > upset > > > with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over > > > this > > > move. > > > > Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a > > spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less > > focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more > > oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is > > clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline > > communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, > > wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust > > laws were intended to keep in check. > > > > BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation > > of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., > > independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any > > sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans > > tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some > > of their most recent actions here: > > > > http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame > > > > I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs > > reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all > > competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down > > the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a > > widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who > > clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a > > well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. > > > > --Sascha > > > > -- > > Sascha Meinrath > > Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President > > Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media > > www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
We'd come out ahead, thats for sure. Rick Smith wrote: How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: "WISPA General List" And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > Hi all, > > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 > > From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > To: "WISPA General List" > > > > And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New > > Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty > > upset > > with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over > > this > > move. > > Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a > spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less > focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more > oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is > clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline > communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, > wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust > laws were intended to keep in check. > > BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation > of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., > independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any > sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans > tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some > of their most recent actions here: > > http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame > > I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs > reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all > competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down > the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a > widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who > clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a > well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. > > --Sascha > > -- > Sascha Meinrath > Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President > Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media > www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 > From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > To: "WISPA General List" > > And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New > Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty > upset > with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over > this > move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Two sides to every story. Should BST donate the Building? Absolutely and without politics. But just like in the LUS case, Bill Oliver threatened to close the Cingular Call Center in Lafayette if the muni fiber network was built. The Call Center received state and parish tax incentives, btw. And BST is suing again in the LUS case. Is BST really that scared of a wi-fi network? Or is it another knee jerk reaction to any competition? BST has lost many millions this hurricane season. Without a merger partner to dance with, maybe they are all cracking under the pressure from ATT, VZ, W-Fi, Cablecos, and VoIP. (TW just added its 1M VoIP customer with 75% of customers being triple-play, although if they take TW's Digital Voice offering they have to be triple-play since you can't get stand alone RR - you have to get Basic Cable). Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. Mac Dearman wrote: Well, IMNSHO I think the mayor and town council need their arses kicked. This is just about as low as they could sink. I understand that communications are vital, but its not that they arent being supplied right now. If I were BellSouth - - I would abandon all of it until they started to act right, butthen thats the most depraved city in the nation - - - - - its worse than Washington D.C.! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Joe Laura wrote: And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Hi all, > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 > From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > To: "WISPA General List" > > And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New > Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset > with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this > move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in "playing well with others" and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
You & JohnnyO are down in this area. Do either of you know who the city is working with to contract their NOLA service ambitions? Is anyone close enough to have the scoop? All I can surmise is that it doesn't seem like it'll be bellsouth! Rich - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Well, IMNSHO I think the mayor and town council need their arses kicked. This is just about as low as they could sink. I understand that communications are vital, but its not that they arent being supplied right now. If I were BellSouth - - I would abandon all of it until they started to act right, butthen thats the most depraved city in the nation - - - - - its worse than Washington D.C.! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Joe Laura wrote: >And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New >Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty >upset >with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this >move. >Superior Wireless >New Orleans,La. >www.superior1.com >- Original Message - >From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" >Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:26 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > > > >>What else would the city expect under the circumstances? >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "WISPA General List" ; >>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:48 AM >>Subject: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation >> >> >> >> >>>BellSouth withdrew its offer to donate one of its buildings to the New >>>Orleans Police Department in the wake of that city’s announcement of a >>>city-owned Wi-Fi Internet access network, according to the Washington >>>Post. >>> >>>The Post report, based on conversations with city officials, said the >>>offer was “angrily” rescinded by BellSouth's head of Louisiana >>> >>> >operations, > > >>>Bill Oliver, just hours after the city announced a plan to build a Wi-Fi >>>network for businesses and residents. >>> >>>http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/BellSouth_NewOrleans_WiFi_110505/ >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Peter >>>RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist >>>We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate >>>813.963.5884 >>>http://4isps.com >>> >>>ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 & 10 >>> >>> >>>-- >>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: >>> >>> >12/5/2005 > > >>> >>> >>-- >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
Well, IMNSHO I think the mayor and town council need their arses kicked. This is just about as low as they could sink. I understand that communications are vital, but its not that they arent being supplied right now. If I were BellSouth - - I would abandon all of it until they started to act right, butthen thats the most depraved city in the nation - - - - - its worse than Washington D.C.! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Joe Laura wrote: And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation What else would the city expect under the circumstances? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation BellSouth withdrew its offer to donate one of its buildings to the New Orleans Police Department in the wake of that city’s announcement of a city-owned Wi-Fi Internet access network, according to the Washington Post. The Post report, based on conversations with city officials, said the offer was “angrily” rescinded by BellSouth's head of Louisiana operations, Bill Oliver, just hours after the city announced a plan to build a Wi-Fi network for businesses and residents. http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/BellSouth_NewOrleans_WiFi_110505/ Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 & 10 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > What else would the city expect under the circumstances? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" ; > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:48 AM > Subject: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation > > > > BellSouth withdrew its offer to donate one of its buildings to the New > > Orleans Police Department in the wake of that city’s announcement of a > > city-owned Wi-Fi Internet access network, according to the Washington > > Post. > > > > The Post report, based on conversations with city officials, said the > > offer was “angrily” rescinded by BellSouth's head of Louisiana operations, > > Bill Oliver, just hours after the city announced a plan to build a Wi-Fi > > network for businesses and residents. > > > > http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/BellSouth_NewOrleans_WiFi_110505/ > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter > > RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist > > We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate > > 813.963.5884 > > http://4isps.com > > > > ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 & 10 > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation
What else would the city expect under the circumstances? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation BellSouth withdrew its offer to donate one of its buildings to the New Orleans Police Department in the wake of that city’s announcement of a city-owned Wi-Fi Internet access network, according to the Washington Post. The Post report, based on conversations with city officials, said the offer was “angrily” rescinded by BellSouth's head of Louisiana operations, Bill Oliver, just hours after the city announced a plan to build a Wi-Fi network for businesses and residents. http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/BellSouth_NewOrleans_WiFi_110505/ Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 & 10 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
