Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Chris Stratford]

I dont understand how that works?
How is the GIF resizing itself to work like that?
That example looks great!
but i dont understand it... :S
Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st wrote:
Hi Lori
I've put a working solution up on my blog:
http://www.accessibility1st.com.au
Hope this helps
Cheers
Jeff
On 11/1/05 2:37 PM, "Lori Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Terrence,
Forgot to add, that the reason it wont work, is that in Roger's both his
"borders are the same".
On mine, the left border, the shadow would be inside+right.
The right border would be inside+left.
Therefore, I cant use ONE image to do the borders.. I would need two.
Do you see what I am saying?
Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/

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[1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/
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Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

Hi Lori

I've put a working solution up on my blog:
http://www.accessibility1st.com.au
Hope this helps

Cheers
Jeff


On 11/1/05 2:37 PM, "Lori Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Terrence,
> 
> Forgot to add, that the reason it wont work, is that in Roger's both his
> "borders are the same".
> On mine, the left border, the shadow would be inside+right.
> The right border would be inside+left.
> 
> Therefore, I cant use ONE image to do the borders.. I would need two.
> 
> Do you see what I am saying?
> 
> Lori Leach
> ZenfulCreations
> http://www.zenfulcreations.com/
> 
> 
> 
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> [1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/
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Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[Kay Smoljak]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:22:26 -0500, Michael Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't have a test machine with IE 5 loaded, but again, given that I am
> saying [if IE]--no version specified--I think the chances of it being
> some kind of standalone quirk are slim. 

Personally I wouldn't trust the standalone versions to be accurate for
anything. I have a Virtual PC image with Windows 98 SE and IE
5.00.2614.3500 and Windows 2000 with IE 5.50.4134.0600 - but no 5.01,
unfortunately. If you'd like me to take some screenshots anyway just
send the link.

Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[Michael Wilson]

Kay Smoljak wrote:
Michael Wilson wrote:
I did a little more testing and things get stranger. IE 5.0.1 breaks
when I use:

Hmm... you said you're using the standalone IE versions, right? I'd
test in a "real" IE 5.01 before you write it off completely if I were
you... those standalone versions are very, very confused about their
identities :)
I don't have a test machine with IE 5 loaded, but again, given that I am 
saying [if IE]--no version specified--I think the chances of it being 
some kind of standalone quirk are slim. Not impossible though and if I 
were using some other condition, I might give it a little more weight. 
The "fix" I came up with is good enough, but if someone has a full 
install of IE 5.0.1 on Windows, I'd appreciate a hit to a test page just 
to see if that's the case.

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Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[Kay Smoljak]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:31:02 -0500, Michael Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did a little more testing and things get stranger. IE 5.0.1 breaks
> when I use:

Hmm... you said you're using the standalone IE versions, right? I'd
test in a "real" IE 5.01 before you write it off completely if I were
you... those standalone versions are very, very confused about their
identities :)

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Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Bruno Torres]

> > SO, question... is there a tracker that I can use that will still allow my
> > page to validate?

Well, I don't know if it will help, but I use Shaun Inman's Shortstat
(http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/shortstat_maintenance.php).
You need to have PHP on the server.
Shortstat saves the stats on mysql database and provides very useful
information. Here's an exemple: http://shortstat.shauninman.com/
I use it and like it very much. Hope it helps you.
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RE: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Lori Leach]

Terrence,

Forgot to add, that the reason it wont work, is that in Roger's both his
"borders are the same".
On mine, the left border, the shadow would be inside+right.
The right border would be inside+left.

Therefore, I cant use ONE image to do the borders.. I would need two.

Do you see what I am saying?

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/



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[1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/


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RE: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Lori Leach]

Terrence,

Thanks for your time, and for the reply.
I use Roger's box on another site I did, and it works fine.  It was actually
one of the first I tried...

I just cant seem to get the "borders/shadows" correct.

Oh well... I will just keep on trying.

Thanks so much again... you are all very helpful!

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/



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try Rogers other flexible box method


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Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

Hi Lori
I see your dilemma.

Terrance is right, the other one of Roger's should work.

Cheers
Jeff


On 11/1/05 2:14 PM, "Lori Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jeff,
> 
> I went back to this one one more time, edited my images, and coded it up.
> Here is what it looks like:
> 
> http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/box/box.htm
> 
> And remember, I need it to look like this one:
> http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif
> 
> So as you can see, I am missing the sides - how can I get them in there???
> Any help anyone can give is MORE than appreciated as I am very burned out on
> this particular design project!
> 
> Lori Leach
> ZenfulCreations
> http://www.zenfulcreations.com/
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> I would use Roger's one: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/flexible/
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[heretic]

Hi,

> SO, question... is there a tracker that I can use that will still allow my
> page to validate?

On some sites where I have no server log access, I use Nedstats
(http://www.nedstatbasic.net/service/) with my own rewritten version
of their code. Validates ok and gives reasonable info. It does require
a little graphic, though.

Ultimately, real server log stats will always be better :)

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Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Terrence Wood]

try Rogers other flexible box method [1]... I quickly tried it with 
you image and got the top corners working OK. I don't have time to 
complete an example just now but I expect the rest of it should come 
along with changing the some padding and margins.

The trick is to make sure your 'inner content' is clear from the 
gradient of your graphics.

[1] http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/
Terrence Wood.
Lori Leach wrote:
I have a design that am coding, and I need to make a "css rounded corner
box" with shadows INSIDE:
The box needs to look like:
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif
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RE: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Lori Leach]

Jeff,

I went back to this one one more time, edited my images, and coded it up.
Here is what it looks like:

http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/box/box.htm

And remember, I need it to look like this one:
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif

So as you can see, I am missing the sides - how can I get them in there???
Any help anyone can give is MORE than appreciated as I am very burned out on
this particular design project!

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/



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I would use Roger's one: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/flexible/

Cheers


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Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
DOM extreme tracker: http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/67/
Not to go into specifics (but still mentioning it here on list, as DOM 
does, in my mind, fall under the "web standards" category):

As Bert Doorn rightly pointed out off list, though, older, non DOM 
capable browsers will not process this script, skewing the results. 
D'oh! Blame it on the fact that I don't actually use this type of 
tracker, relying on server-side log analysis...so, in essence, this was 
an exercise in "DOMification", if nothing else, as the end result may 
not give the expected results the same way the old, kludgey script does.

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RE: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Lori Leach]

I knew that this list would have the answer I needed!
Now if I could just get past these darn inner shadow boxes, I will have had
a great day!

Thanks Patrick!

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/


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DOM extreme tracker: http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/67/



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Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Bert Doorn wrote:
I use the same eXtreme tracker on my own site.  I made some changes, it 
validates as xhtml1 Strict and still works.
However, the 

RE: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Lori Leach]

THANK YOU so much Burt, 

I will go take a look!


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I use the same eXtreme tracker on my own site.  I made some 
changes, it validates as xhtml1 Strict and still works.

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RE: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Lori Leach]

Jeff,

I did use this one, and of course it works well with THOSE images, but when
I change to cuts of my shadow box, it just turns ugly.
Thanks for trying to point me to some help.
I really appreciate it!

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/



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I would use Roger's one: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/flexible/


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RE: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Lori Leach]

I sure have tried this one...

Here are all the ones I tried:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/
http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/4corners/
http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/
http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/corners.html
http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/flexible/
http://www.saila.com/attic/sandbox/rounded-corners/

I just cant get the inner stuff to line up right --- that is why I am
looking for a example somewhere so I can see how another person did it.

Thanks for replying Neerav~

Lori Leach
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Have you tried http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/ ?


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Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Bert Doorn]

Hi Lori
SO, question... is there a tracker that I can use that will still allow my
page to validate?
I use the same eXtreme tracker on my own site.  I made some 
changes, it validates as xhtml1 Strict and still works.

Main things were the & issue, escaping forward-slashes, 
adding alt attributes to the images and putting the noscript 
content inside a div.

See site in sig (towards the end of the xhtml source).
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Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Neerav]

Have you tried http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/ ?
Not sure if it can do inner shadows, but its worth trying
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Lori Leach wrote:
I have a design that am coding, and I need to make a "css rounded corner
box" with shadows INSIDE:
The box needs to look like:
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif
I have tried about ten different css rounded box options to get it to work,
and it is just NOT working!
It needs to be fluid width, and exactly as it appears in the graphic.
Has anyone ever seen a rounded corner box with INNER shadow anywhere online
so that I may take a gander at how they did it??
Thanks for any help!
Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/
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Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st]

I would use Roger's one: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/flexible/

Cheers

Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
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Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au

On 11/1/05 10:59 AM, "Lori Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a design that am coding, and I need to make a "css rounded corner
> box" with shadows INSIDE:
> 
> The box needs to look like:
> http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif
> 
> I have tried about ten different css rounded box options to get it to work,
> and it is just NOT working!
> 
> It needs to be fluid width, and exactly as it appears in the graphic.
> 
> Has anyone ever seen a rounded corner box with INNER shadow anywhere online
> so that I may take a gander at how they did it??
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> Lori Leach
> ZenfulCreations
> http://www.zenfulcreations.com/
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[WSG] CSS Roundbox

[Lori Leach]

I have a design that am coding, and I need to make a "css rounded corner
box" with shadows INSIDE:

The box needs to look like:
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif

I have tried about ten different css rounded box options to get it to work,
and it is just NOT working!

It needs to be fluid width, and exactly as it appears in the graphic.

Has anyone ever seen a rounded corner box with INNER shadow anywhere online
so that I may take a gander at how they did it??

Thanks for any help!

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/


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Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[David R]

Lori Leach wrote:
is there a tracker that I can use that will still allow my
page to validate?
Server Logs.
IIS is configured to produce logs by default, not sure about Apache. Any 
questions? Raise it with your host... Most are capable of providing raw 
logfiles.

They have the advantage of providing EVERYTHING those trackers did, plus 
loads more besides But depending on how your server is configured, 
of course.

HTH
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Felix Miata]

Michael Wilson wrote:
 
> Tom Livingston wrote:

> >>  Felix Miata wrote:

> >>Flash, text in images, & fixed width that crumbles with zoom.
 
> > Thank GOD! Then *all* it would be is a blog.
 
> It doesn't come anywhere close to a "crumble" in my IE at default
> settings or when zoomed to the max. In Firefox (default 16px font size)
> I *can* break it, but it zooms up four times without it becoming an
> issue-that's pretty good. Even at font size set to 22px in Firefox and
> while zoomed four times, the site is still very usable--it's not as
> pretty, but I can use it. I would think we should recognize the overall
> achievements before we scrutinize the details of how it could be improved.

This is with no zoom, my normal 22px default:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/Images/turner1.png

This is at 145% zoom:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/Images/turner2.png
This is at 150% zoom:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/Images/turner3.png

The last two are so different yet so similar because they specify the
worst possible font on my system, helvetica, a bitmapped font, and no
valid alternates. With any scalable font I could have reached my default
size for the main content (#homecols dd) at around 135% or 140%. Plus,
they're using em for line-height instead of number, eliminating
line-spacing at zoom.

Looks to me like a typical tables-based layout made without tables.
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[WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

[Lori Leach]

Hi those who are smarter than I,

I want to put a "hit tracker" on my site -- well actually, I already have
one.  I have been using Extreme Tracker to keep up with stats.
However, a few weeks ago, when I posted something up here, a few of you went
to my site, validated my code and it was a mess  -- this was due to the ET
code.

It has been removed, and I tried to do it as a .js include -- now the page
validates, but the tracker is not working.

SO, question... is there a tracker that I can use that will still allow my
page to validate?

Thanks!

Lori Leach
ZenfulCreations
http://www.zenfulcreations.com/


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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Tom Livingston]

Well if I went to the right site (eds.com) it is much less blog-like. 
Very nice.


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On Jan 10, 2005, at 5:53 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
EDS converted their Internet site to a CSS based layout.
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

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EDS converted their Internet site to a CSS based layout.


> Hello all,
>
> I may be a little late with this, so forgive me, but I just read here
> http://web-graphics.com/ that http://www.turner.com/ just relaunched
> using a standards-based layout/construction, etc.
>
> It's a very nice, clean and useable... blog... I mean... site. Anyone
> else see a design trend in "standards-based" sites?
>
> However, in the end, and most importantly, a big company like Turner
> caring about standards is great news.
>
> 
> Tom Livingston
> Senior Multimedia Artist
> Media Logic
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Michael Wilson]

Tom Livingston wrote:
Thank GOD! Then *all* it would be is a blog.

 Felix Miata wrote:
Flash, text in images, & fixed width that crumbles with zoom.
It doesn't come anywhere close to a "crumble" in my IE at default 
settings or when zoomed to the max. In Firefox (default 16px font size) 
I *can* break it, but it zooms up four times without it becoming an 
issue-that's pretty good. Even at font size set to 22px in Firefox and 
while zoomed four times, the site is still very usable--it's not as 
pretty, but I can use it. I would think we should recognize the overall 
achievements before we scrutinize the details of how it could be improved.

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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Tom Livingston]

Thank GOD! Then *all* it would be is a blog.

Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
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On Jan 10, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Flash, text in images, & fixed width that crumbles with zoom.
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Darren Wood]

Tom Livingston wrote:
Hello all,
I may be a little late with this, so forgive me, but I just read here 
http://web-graphics.com/ that http://www.turner.com/ just relaunched 
using a standards-based layout/construction, etc.

It's a very nice, clean and useable... blog... I mean... site. Anyone 
else see a design trend in "standards-based" sites?

There does, indeed, seem to be a trend towards blog looking layout...my 
guess is that those types of layouts are the most usable; main content 
on the left - subnav/extra info on the right.
Left Nav is s first half of 2000. ;)

Not all web standards complient websites are blog looking...these are 
two recently launched ones:
http://www.jcbfm.com/ <-- Nature.com's ournal of cerebral blood flow
and metabolism

http://www.punbb.org/ <-- A completely semantic web standards complient 
forum application.  (very very tight!)

However, in the end, and most importantly, a big company like Turner 
caring about standards is great news.
I love watching all the big boys realising the error of their ways, then 
actually doing something good about it!  Go Web Standards!

Cheers
Darren.
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Felix Miata]

Tom Livingston wrote:
 
> I may be a little late with this, so forgive me, but I just read here
> http://web-graphics.com/ that http://www.turner.com/ just relaunched
> using a standards-based layout/construction, etc.
 
Flash, text in images, & fixed width that crumbles with zoom. :-(
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Re: [WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Chris Gandolfo]

No css in Mac Firefox 1.0, but degrades beautifully!!


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{Designer & Standards Advocate}
Twelve Horses North America

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:41:14 -0500, Tom Livingston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I may be a little late with this, so forgive me, but I just read here
> http://web-graphics.com/ that http://www.turner.com/ just relaunched
> using a standards-based layout/construction, etc.
> 
> It's a very nice, clean and useable... blog... I mean... site. Anyone
> else see a design trend in "standards-based" sites?
> 
> However, in the end, and most importantly, a big company like Turner
> caring about standards is great news.
> 
> 
> Tom Livingston
> Senior Multimedia Artist
> Media Logic
> mlinc.com
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[WSG] Big Name Site Goes Standards

[Tom Livingston]

Hello all,
I may be a little late with this, so forgive me, but I just read here 
http://web-graphics.com/ that http://www.turner.com/ just relaunched 
using a standards-based layout/construction, etc.

It's a very nice, clean and useable... blog... I mean... site. Anyone 
else see a design trend in "standards-based" sites?

However, in the end, and most importantly, a big company like Turner 
caring about standards is great news.


Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
mlinc.com
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Re: [WSG] list spacing

[Kornel Lesinski]

You can only set the padding and margin properties if the LI element is  
block or inline-block. Not inline, I'm afraid. (AFAIK!)
or you can set line-height on inline li element.
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[WSG] list spacing

[Dean | eCreate]

How do I set the spacing between items in an unordered (or ordered) list?

Thanks,

Dean

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Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[Michael Wilson]

David R wrote:
MSDN calls for , which is what I 
am using. And... since I'm just stating [if IE], this really shouldn't 
be isolated to IE 5.0.1.

Its preferable to use 

RE: [WSG] list spacing

[Pringle, Ron]

> How do I set the spacing between items in an unordered (or 
> ordered) list?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dean

Dean-

Set the padding or margins on the  tags. ex:

html


Item One
Item Two


css

foo li {margin-bottom: 1em;}



HTH

Regards,
Ron
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Re: [WSG] list spacing

[David R]

Dean | eCreate wrote:
How do I set the spacing between items in an unordered (or ordered) list?
Thanks,
Dean

You can only set the padding and margin properties if the LI element is 
block or inline-block. Not inline, I'm afraid. (AFAIK!)

ul (or ol) li {
   display: block;
   padding: 0.5em;
   margin: 1.5em;
}
HTH
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Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[David R]

MSDN calls for , which is what I 
am using. And... since I'm just stating [if IE], this really shouldn't 
be isolated to IE 5.0.1.

Its preferable to use 

Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[Michael Wilson]

Kay Smoljak wrote:
I've seen something similar when the conditional comment syntax wasn't
quite right. The way they handle GT and LT is a little odd... I'd
check what you have against MSDN.
Hi Kay
MSDN calls for , which is what I 
am using. And... since I'm just stating [if IE], this really shouldn't 
be isolated to IE 5.0.1.

I did a little more testing and things get stranger. IE 5.0.1 breaks 
when I use:


  @import url("css/iqmax.css");


If I change the method to:

  @import url("css/iqmax.css");


...it works like a champ.
I suppose this will work just dandy, but I'm still baffled as to why the 
previous method is causing problems. My only guess is that the problem 
is tied directly to something in my markup. I've used this same method 
several times recently (01), with no problems at all. Unless there is 
something screwy with my  syntax that I'm missing, I suppose it 
will have to remain a mystery.

01: http://www.iqmax.com/iqtray/memCardSync.htm
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Re: [WSG] Connditional Comment / @import Problem in IE 5.0.1

[Michael Wilson]

Andrew Krespanis wrote:
This may sound insane, but if the 

Re: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.

[Marilyn Langfeld]

Only thing you didn't mention is it's PC-only. Not good for us Mac folks!
Best regards,

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On Jan 10, 2005, at 4:24 AM, Johan Steenkamp wrote:

XStandard is very good - there is a freeware version. 

For my money the commercial version is worth it and not expensive compared to others commercial XHTML editors. 

Very easy to add custom mark-up to support styles and drag/drop image/file upload is neat. 

Johan

www.assetnow.com

Original Message
From: "Wong Chin Shin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Date: Sat, Jan-8-2005 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.

1) HTMLArea RC3 - pretty darned powerful. suspect support. It's been at 
RC3
since the stone ages and nothing much since then. I'm also not very 
sure
about the validity of the output code since changing font families will
churn out  tags by default (didn't try to explore changing this 
as I
moved to FCKEditor by then). Not easy to set up either.
2) FCKEditor - my choice right now. Support is pretty much a 
single-handed
effort by the author but it's one of the most active projects on 
sourceforge
right now. Visually very rich and it's one of the easiest to set up so 
far.
One thing I love is the provision of plug-ins to the variety of 
server-side
technologies like ASP, ASP.net, PHP etc.
3) TinyMCE - a little light on features, good to use if you're just 
letting
users access to the basic stuff.
4) XStandard - commercial-ware so I didn't really evaluate it much. But
since it's supposed to be fully XHTML-compliant I guess there's 
something to
be said for that.
5) http://www.intelimen.com.br/lib/editor/index.php - not evaluated yet
6) http://www.snippetmaster.com/index.php - not evaluated yet
7) http://kupu.oscom.org/ - not evaluated yet, from my first look it 
seemed
really basic and slow.
8) http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwebeditor - not evaluated yet
9) http://walter.sourceforge.net/ - not evaluated yet
One thing that you may want to watch out is whether they allow editing 
of
individual table CELL attributes. No, not for more abuse of table-based
layouts but it does have its uses sometimes. 
Wong


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:07 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.

Hi Everyone,

I am looking for a lean browser based text editor which creates valid
XHTML output.

Basically I would use a normal text area, but the site I am developing
requires the ability to add hyper links, paragraphs, and change the
text style.

I want something that will automatically run (i.e. I want to avoid
having the user manually install something)...

I have looked at xstandard (http://www.xstandard.com) and I'm pretty
impressed, but I found it to be really slow to load as it might be a
bit too rich on functionality for my needs...

Just wondered if anyone has any other recommendations for a nice simple
RTE???

Cheers,

Matt
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[WSG] Apology to Lea and others

[Ian Fenn]

Hello,

I received the email below from Russ.

All the other discussion groups I'm a member of allow members to openly
discuss their operation. Having accepted this as the norm, I sent an email
which was not a reply to a closed thread but the start of a discussion
regarding list policy. Given Russ's email, it would seem I have upset a few
people in doing so. Please be rest assured that no disrespect was intended
on my part. I appreciate the work that the moderators do. I was in fact just
making a comment which in my view would lead to the list becoming even more
valuable than it is now.

I'm sorry for any offence.

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-Original Message-
From: russ - maxdesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 January 2005 10:43
To: Ian Fenn
Subject: Re: ADMIN - thread closed ... OFFLIST

> I agree.

Ian,

You replied to a thread that has been officially closed by a core member.
This is against WSG mail list guidelines. The relevant section states:

"The list administrators reserve the right to unsubscribe any member from
the list. Reasons include: Repeatedly replying to threads that have been
closed"

Regardless of the guidelines, your comments showed a lack of respect to one
of our core members, Lea. She, like other core members help Peter and I run
the list, free of charge, trying to keep the list on focus, and generally
all they get is abuse.

If you have an issue, please do not post your comment to the list. It is
incredibly disrespectful to the core member and just adds to unnecessary
traffic. Instead, let Admin know about your concerns - offlist.

Please do not ever post to a closed thread again!

Russ


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Re: ADMIN - thread closed Re: [WSG] Web Standards Developer Job

[russ - maxdesign]

Before anyone else decided to comment on a thread that has already been
closed, here are a few things you should all know about jobs and closed
threads...

1. we asked all members for opinion on job posts to the list in our recent
survey. For those who may have forgotten, the results are here:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/summary.htm

The majority of members (not by a great margin, admittedly) thought that
posts should only be made to a specialised WSG jobs list.

2. The core group discussed options for job posts at length, and eventually
came up with a compromise that we felt all members would be happy with.
As you may recall, Peter Firminger (listsdad) recently informed all members
that jobs posts would be dealt with on the site in the near future:

"We are now looking at redesigning the WSG site. This will change the look,
make the structure more semantically correct, change the way the resources
section is presented and add a new "Jobs" section for advertising (standards
related) positions vacant."

So, as you can see, jobs will be posted to the website, but not to the list
- as per the request of the majority of members.

3. Finally, the guidelines state quite clearly NOT to reply to a thread that
has been closed. In fact, repeated offences are considered an unsubscribe
offence:
"The list administrators reserve the right to unsubscribe any member from
the list. Reasons include: Repeatedly replying to threads that have been
closed"

Please, respect core members if they close a thread. They are not the enemy.
They help Peter and I run the list, free of charge, trying to keep the list
on focus, and generally all they get is abuse.

If you have an issue, please do not post your comment to the list. It is
incredibly disrespectful to the core member and just adds to unnecessary
traffic. Instead, let Admin know about your concerns - offlist.

So, finally, this thread is CLOSED!
Russ

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Re: ADMIN - thread closed Re: [WSG] Web Standards Developer Job

[Joe Leech]

Ian Fenn wrote:
Quoting Daniel Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 

Seems like keeping developers employed in jobs that support web
standards would be important to web standards themselves.
   

I agree.
 

Me too.  Whose decision was not to allow job vacancies to be posted? 
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RE: ADMIN - thread closed Re: [WSG] Web Standards Developer Job

[Ian Fenn]

Quoting Daniel Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Seems like keeping developers employed in jobs that support web
> standards would be important to web standards themselves.

I agree.

All the best,

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Chopstix Media
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RE: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.

[Johan Steenkamp]

XStandard is very good - there is a freeware version. 

For my money the commercial version is worth it and not expensive compared to 
others commercial XHTML editors. 

Very easy to add custom mark-up to support styles and drag/drop image/file 
upload is neat. 

Johan

www.assetnow.com

> Original Message
> From: "Wong Chin Shin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Date: Sat, Jan-8-2005 7:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.
>
> 1) HTMLArea RC3 - pretty darned powerful. suspect support. It's been at 
> RC3
> since the stone ages and nothing much since then. I'm also not very 
> sure
> about the validity of the output code since changing font families will
> churn out  tags by default (didn't try to explore changing this 
> as I
> moved to FCKEditor by then). Not easy to set up either.
> 2) FCKEditor - my choice right now. Support is pretty much a 
> single-handed
> effort by the author but it's one of the most active projects on 
> sourceforge
> right now. Visually very rich and it's one of the easiest to set up so 
> far.
> One thing I love is the provision of plug-ins to the variety of 
> server-side
> technologies like ASP, ASP.net, PHP etc.
> 3) TinyMCE - a little light on features, good to use if you're just 
> letting
> users access to the basic stuff.
> 4) XStandard - commercial-ware so I didn't really evaluate it much. But
> since it's supposed to be fully XHTML-compliant I guess there's 
> something to
> be said for that.
> 5) http://www.intelimen.com.br/lib/editor/index.php - not evaluated yet
> 6) http://www.snippetmaster.com/index.php - not evaluated yet
> 7) http://kupu.oscom.org/ - not evaluated yet, from my first look it 
> seemed
> really basic and slow.
> 8) http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwebeditor - not evaluated yet
> 9) http://walter.sourceforge.net/ - not evaluated yet
> One thing that you may want to watch out is whether they allow editing 
> of
> individual table CELL attributes. No, not for more abuse of table-based
> layouts but it does have its uses sometimes. 
> Wong
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:07 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] XHTML complient in-browser Rich Text Editor.
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I am looking for a lean browser based text editor which creates valid
> XHTML output.
> 
> Basically I would use a normal text area, but the site I am developing
> requires the ability to add hyper links, paragraphs, and change the
> text style.
> 
> I want something that will automatically run (i.e. I want to avoid
> having the user manually install something)...
> 
> I have looked at xstandard (http://www.xstandard.com) and I'm pretty
> impressed, but I found it to be really slow to load as it might be a
> bit too rich on functionality for my needs...
> 
> Just wondered if anyone has any other recommendations for a nice simple
> RTE???
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Matt
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