RE: [WSG] dl question
Hi Joe Just curious - why a separate dl for each property - surely this is just one list of properties? Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Taylor Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 12:05 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] dl question To clarify, when people use a definition list for something other than actual definitions and terms, they usually use the dt's and dd's to represent the relationship of the items within the dl. For example - markup for a list of properties for sale: dl dtPhoto of Property/dt dtAddress of Property/dt ddPrice of Property/dd ddBeds and Baths/dd /dl dl dtPhoto of Property/dt dtAddress of Property/dt ddPrice of Property/dd ddBeds and Baths/dd /dl dl dtPhoto of Property/dt dtAddress of Property/dt ddPrice of Property/dd ddBeds and Baths/dd /dl dl dtPhoto of Property/dt dtAddress of Property/dt ddPrice of Property/dd ddBeds and Baths/dd /dl In this case the dt's handle the terms, or way we identify a property - by a picture of it or by address. The dd's handle the attributes of the property: bedrooms, baths, price etc. You can apply this principle to almost any information - sometimes a tabular layout works even better - it just depends on your needs. The dl used in this examples works great on crappy cellphones since its elements stack. Joseph R. B. Taylor /Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Fax: (866) 301-8045 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart Foulstone wrote: A dl is a LIST of definition terms and their description. dt is a definition term to be described (not title). dd is description of the definition term. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 On Mon, August 4, 2008 4:20 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was under the impression a dl could only contain one dt and one or many dd's. But I have just come across a piece of code that uses multiple dt's in the one dl Upon further investigation, it seems this is legitimate practicebut does it make sense?!?! Semantically, isn't the whole point of a dl to use definition data tags (dd's) to describe a definition title (dt)!? Does it make sense to have multiple definition titles in the same dl?! Or does it make more sense to have a seperate dl for each dt?? __ Christian Fagan Fagan Design fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings
I have no problem with elementary questions about Web standards. But there are perhaps too many posts about how to write basic HTML mark-up and elementary CSS. This is especially true when the 'poster' has apparently not even tried to validate it (and, therefore, not seriously tried to solve the problem themselves). Should we not, at least, expect a list contributor to know the basics of HTML and CSS, for example. At the other end of the scale, there are sometimes posts which seem to be more about how to 'work around' Web standards to achieve a particular design rather than DESIGN to Web Standards in the first place (usually a knock-on effect due to graphic designers pretending to be Web designers). On Tue, August 5, 2008 10:00 pm, Jody Tate wrote: I'm a lurker on the list, but primarily because the list, so far, has seemed like a place where people come for help solving specific, remedial problems with long-standing (in internet-time) solutions well-documented on the internet and in books. On 8/5/08 11:10 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would like to know what a list on any subject is for if not for helping people understand the most basic principles and application of a give practice. A list on any topic must embrace all level of participants, beginners and advanced, alike. If we think of the list as a classroom, a teaching environment, then it's standard practice to have separate beginning, advanced, etc. classes. At the university level, for example (in the US), classes at the 100 level tackle different issues than classes at the 200, 300 and 400 level. A list on a topic isn't required to embrace all levels of expertise. I've participated in many mailings lists where some requests for basic help were considered off-topic. Requests for help when answers can be found by via searches or reading books were often seen as inappropriate. I'd advocate (at the risk of sounding snobby), as some have suggested, for different lists--one to accommodate beginners and another to accommodate other developers interested, not in help with standards, but in the standards themselves. Anyone who thinks a list about web standards should not first have as its mission to teach and clarify the basics of the tools of standardization, such as CSS, is mistaken. Unless expressly stated, a list must cater to the lowest common denominator of its participants, not the highest. By doing so, those on the bottom are lifted up, instead of always being pushed down and kept in the dark. To think a list about web standards doesn't need to have teaching as its first mission is not mistaken, it's considering that a different goal or multiple goals might be acceptable. Web standards are not new, though they may be new to some list users. Teaching can be a function, but if helping others with the basics is its sole function, as it's becoming here, it neglects another portion of the list's members, those who have been using web standards since their inception and hope to have extended discussions about, for example, XHTML vs. HTML5, CSS3, current and upcoming browser implementation of standards, emerging standards and so on. -jody -- Jody Tate http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings
I totally agree which is why I arose the subject in the first place. A person interested in the building standards shouldn't expect the building standards group to tell them how to use a hammer. Same goes here. - Original Message - From: Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings I have no problem with elementary questions about Web standards. But there are perhaps too many posts about how to write basic HTML mark-up and elementary CSS. This is especially true when the 'poster' has apparently not even tried to validate it (and, therefore, not seriously tried to solve the problem themselves). Should we not, at least, expect a list contributor to know the basics of HTML and CSS, for example. At the other end of the scale, there are sometimes posts which seem to be more about how to 'work around' Web standards to achieve a particular design rather than DESIGN to Web Standards in the first place (usually a knock-on effect due to graphic designers pretending to be Web designers). On Tue, August 5, 2008 10:00 pm, Jody Tate wrote: I'm a lurker on the list, but primarily because the list, so far, has seemed like a place where people come for help solving specific, remedial problems with long-standing (in internet-time) solutions well-documented on the internet and in books. On 8/5/08 11:10 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would like to know what a list on any subject is for if not for helping people understand the most basic principles and application of a give practice. A list on any topic must embrace all level of participants, beginners and advanced, alike. If we think of the list as a classroom, a teaching environment, then it's standard practice to have separate beginning, advanced, etc. classes. At the university level, for example (in the US), classes at the 100 level tackle different issues than classes at the 200, 300 and 400 level. A list on a topic isn't required to embrace all levels of expertise. I've participated in many mailings lists where some requests for basic help were considered off-topic. Requests for help when answers can be found by via searches or reading books were often seen as inappropriate. I'd advocate (at the risk of sounding snobby), as some have suggested, for different lists--one to accommodate beginners and another to accommodate other developers interested, not in help with standards, but in the standards themselves. Anyone who thinks a list about web standards should not first have as its mission to teach and clarify the basics of the tools of standardization, such as CSS, is mistaken. Unless expressly stated, a list must cater to the lowest common denominator of its participants, not the highest. By doing so, those on the bottom are lifted up, instead of always being pushed down and kept in the dark. To think a list about web standards doesn't need to have teaching as its first mission is not mistaken, it's considering that a different goal or multiple goals might be acceptable. Web standards are not new, though they may be new to some list users. Teaching can be a function, but if helping others with the basics is its sole function, as it's becoming here, it neglects another portion of the list's members, those who have been using web standards since their inception and hope to have extended discussions about, for example, XHTML vs. HTML5, CSS3, current and upcoming browser implementation of standards, emerging standards and so on. -jody -- Jody Tate http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up a Calendar
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:42 AM, 8bits Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We currently have a project that includes a calendar in the design. The dilemma I currently have, is what is the best way to mark the calendar up? Should we use tables, or is it more semantically correct these days to use an unordered list? A table every time. A day on a calendar recieves meaning from the table (month), the row (week), and the column (day) that it is in, and IMO a table is the only sensible way to reperesent such complex relationships between data. If you use tables make sure it still makes sense on browsers that don't render tables (some mobile phones, lynx, etc) If you use css don't hide anything in css that should be in the content! I've seen some examples of css-based calendars where there are no dates, day numbers, etc in the markup (they used css and assumed list behaviour to generate day numbers) .. I think that is a bad idea ... Dates on a calendar are important content that should never be hidden from users even if their browser doesn't support the css or behaviours being used. ...also... If its for public events you could add a bit of hCalendar ... to make it more useful ... (eg people being able to import the events into calendar software without retyping, search and aggregation tools being able to see them as events, etc) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] @import rule
Hi all, Just working on someone else's website and they are using the @import rule to include their CSS. I usually use the link rel method. I am wondering, is there really any reason not to use @import, be it Accessibility, standards, etc? I don't want to pull in other stylesheets into the one I'm using, so I have no need for the @import. Would appreciate your advice. Cheers Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Appropriate postings
I understand your concern, Stuart. The list shouldn't become a first-responder to code someone's problem. But we should be aware, also, that usually, someone who posts even what seems to be a rudimentary problem has actually tried to solve it on their own and is just missing the solution. Those new to CSS and other web standards tools will often be reluctant to post their own attempts to code a solution and will just ask for input on a solution. It's a fine line to walk, but we have to be careful not to read behind the post and assume that someone is just asking others to do their work for them. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings I have no problem with elementary questions about Web standards. But there are perhaps too many posts about how to write basic HTML mark-up and elementary CSS. This is especially true when the 'poster' has apparently not even tried to validate it (and, therefore, not seriously tried to solve the problem themselves). Should we not, at least, expect a list contributor to know the basics of HTML and CSS, for example. At the other end of the scale, there are sometimes posts which seem to be more about how to 'work around' Web standards to achieve a particular design rather than DESIGN to Web Standards in the first place (usually a knock-on effect due to graphic designers pretending to be Web designers). On Tue, August 5, 2008 10:00 pm, Jody Tate wrote: I'm a lurker on the list, but primarily because the list, so far, has seemed like a place where people come for help solving specific, remedial problems with long-standing (in internet-time) solutions well-documented on the internet and in books. On 8/5/08 11:10 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would like to know what a list on any subject is for if not for helping people understand the most basic principles and application of a give practice. A list on any topic must embrace all level of participants, beginners and advanced, alike. If we think of the list as a classroom, a teaching environment, then it's standard practice to have separate beginning, advanced, etc. classes. At the university level, for example (in the US), classes at the 100 level tackle different issues than classes at the 200, 300 and 400 level. A list on a topic isn't required to embrace all levels of expertise. I've participated in many mailings lists where some requests for basic help were considered off-topic. Requests for help when answers can be found by via searches or reading books were often seen as inappropriate. I'd advocate (at the risk of sounding snobby), as some have suggested, for different lists--one to accommodate beginners and another to accommodate other developers interested, not in help with standards, but in the standards themselves. Anyone who thinks a list about web standards should not first have as its mission to teach and clarify the basics of the tools of standardization, such as CSS, is mistaken. Unless expressly stated, a list must cater to the lowest common denominator of its participants, not the highest. By doing so, those on the bottom are lifted up, instead of always being pushed down and kept in the dark. To think a list about web standards doesn't need to have teaching as its first mission is not mistaken, it's considering that a different goal or multiple goals might be acceptable. Web standards are not new, though they may be new to some list users. Teaching can be a function, but if helping others with the basics is its sole function, as it's becoming here, it neglects another portion of the list's members, those who have been using web standards since their inception and hope to have extended discussions about, for example, XHTML vs. HTML5, CSS3, current and upcoming browser implementation of standards, emerging standards and so on. -jody -- Jody Tate http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1594 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 9:49 PM
RE: [WSG] Appropriate postings
Following your construction analogy, people new to standards might know how to use a nail hammer, but not realize that what's called for in a situation is a dry-wall hammer. That's where some guidance even on the tools end is needed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings I totally agree which is why I arose the subject in the first place. A person interested in the building standards shouldn't expect the building standards group to tell them how to use a hammer. Same goes here. - Original Message - From: Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings I have no problem with elementary questions about Web standards. But there are perhaps too many posts about how to write basic HTML mark-up and elementary CSS. This is especially true when the 'poster' has apparently not even tried to validate it (and, therefore, not seriously tried to solve the problem themselves). Should we not, at least, expect a list contributor to know the basics of HTML and CSS, for example. At the other end of the scale, there are sometimes posts which seem to be more about how to 'work around' Web standards to achieve a particular design rather than DESIGN to Web Standards in the first place (usually a knock-on effect due to graphic designers pretending to be Web designers). On Tue, August 5, 2008 10:00 pm, Jody Tate wrote: I'm a lurker on the list, but primarily because the list, so far, has seemed like a place where people come for help solving specific, remedial problems with long-standing (in internet-time) solutions well-documented on the internet and in books. On 8/5/08 11:10 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would like to know what a list on any subject is for if not for helping people understand the most basic principles and application of a give practice. A list on any topic must embrace all level of participants, beginners and advanced, alike. If we think of the list as a classroom, a teaching environment, then it's standard practice to have separate beginning, advanced, etc. classes. At the university level, for example (in the US), classes at the 100 level tackle different issues than classes at the 200, 300 and 400 level. A list on a topic isn't required to embrace all levels of expertise. I've participated in many mailings lists where some requests for basic help were considered off-topic. Requests for help when answers can be found by via searches or reading books were often seen as inappropriate. I'd advocate (at the risk of sounding snobby), as some have suggested, for different lists--one to accommodate beginners and another to accommodate other developers interested, not in help with standards, but in the standards themselves. Anyone who thinks a list about web standards should not first have as its mission to teach and clarify the basics of the tools of standardization, such as CSS, is mistaken. Unless expressly stated, a list must cater to the lowest common denominator of its participants, not the highest. By doing so, those on the bottom are lifted up, instead of always being pushed down and kept in the dark. To think a list about web standards doesn't need to have teaching as its first mission is not mistaken, it's considering that a different goal or multiple goals might be acceptable. Web standards are not new, though they may be new to some list users. Teaching can be a function, but if helping others with the basics is its sole function, as it's becoming here, it neglects another portion of the list's members, those who have been using web standards since their inception and hope to have extended discussions about, for example, XHTML vs. HTML5, CSS3, current and upcoming browser implementation of standards, emerging standards and so on. -jody -- Jody Tate http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines:
Re: [WSG] form from hell - difficult redesign
Hi Jessica, I'm looking for somebody who can help me have user friendly and accessible forms. The product that I'm working has a lot of ajax in it and is built using prototype, prototype windows,yui etc in ASP.NET. Please let me know when can we possibly take this further. The product facilitates creation of questionnaires for market research, employee feedback etc. http://www.xurway.com/ It's still in it's preview mode so bugs are expected and we yet to build many critical features into the application. regards, wilbur On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Kevin I'm no developer, but I can certainly advise on the *design* component of the project, if that would be of some assistance. I have designed GUIs for a travel and hotel booking engines before and as Joe Ortenzi says, I've been doing some research lately on tabular data. Feel free to contact me off-list. Jessica Enders Principal Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 On 31/07/2008, at 11:09 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hi I've been asked to redesign the gui on a hotel booking engine / room allocation web app. Its basically the busiest example of tabular data ive ever seen - most data in the cells is input. Any Advice on styling an overwhelming amount tabular data? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] form from hell - difficult redesign
Wilbur What''s your budget? Would you be able to spec it so the brief can be distributed? Joe On Aug 06, 2008, at 11:47, Wilbur Pereira wrote: Hi Jessica, I'm looking for somebody who can help me have user friendly and accessible forms. The product that I'm working has a lot of ajax in it and is built using prototype, prototype windows,yui etc in ASP.NET. Please let me know when can we possibly take this further. The product facilitates creation of questionnaires for market research, employee feedback etc. http://www.xurway.com/ It's still in it's preview mode so bugs are expected and we yet to build many critical features into the application. regards, wilbur On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kevin I'm no developer, but I can certainly advise on the *design* component of the project, if that would be of some assistance. I have designed GUIs for a travel and hotel booking engines before and as Joe Ortenzi says, I've been doing some research lately on tabular data. Feel free to contact me off-list. Jessica Enders Principal Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 On 31/07/2008, at 11:09 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hi I've been asked to redesign the gui on a hotel booking engine / room allocation web app. Its basically the busiest example of tabular data ive ever seen - most data in the cells is input. Any Advice on styling an overwhelming amount tabular data? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] @import rule
Just working on someone else's website and they are using the @import rule to include their CSS. I usually use the link rel method. I am wondering, is there really any reason not to use @import, be it Accessibility, standards, etc? I don't want to pull in other stylesheets into the one I'm using, so I have no need for the @import. According to Steve Souders research in his very handy book High Performance Websites there are some performance issues with @import. It can cause unexpected ordering of how components are downloaded to the browser. You can compare the effects; Using link rel - http://stevesouders.com/hpws/css-top.php Using @import - http://stevesouders.com/hpws/css-top-import.php Hope that helps, Rich -- DonkeyMagic: Website design development http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk http://www.awadigital.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Appropriate postings
Thank you!!! I agree 100%. Nothing is better than trying to find information from a well rounded group. That is what makes this list so great! For some one to say they want a newbie level list, tells me they have not thought it through. We should ask those that don't want to participate in a subject to delete/ignore it. Sincerely, kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings On lists like these, newbies can become gurus. And the cycle unselfishly gets repeated. :) Respectfully, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] resetting input boxes
can they be set for consistency across browsers? if so what are all the attributes that need to be reset, i missing something. -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] resetting input boxes
Hi Kevin, It's not clear what you're trying to achieve. Can you give us some more information? Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] resetting input boxes
Paul Bennett wrote: Hi Kevin, It's not clear what you're trying to achieve. Can you give us some more information? Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I think he's essentially talking about a CSS reset file, specific to input, to neutralize all of the browser differences. I'm not sure of the specific elements, but just about any CSS reset should handle it. This is the one I prefer: http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/05/01/reset-reloaded/ Yahoo also has it's own, but it's a lot bigger and I think somewhat of an overkill. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
